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BattleMaster => Locals => Dwilight => Topic started by: Perth on March 16, 2011, 09:23:32 AM
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I figured I would start a forum for discussion based specifically on events in Maroccidens (that is, the southwest region of Dwilight).
For starters, anyone here part of the new realm Barca? One of my characters is part of Terran, but his responsibilities lie mostly in northern Terran so isn't directly involved with the colony attempt at all.
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There are lots of monsters. I think that summarizes that area well.
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Monsters. just. won't. stop. coming. At least they are keeping us busy....
But we are proud of our little Maroccidens, that's for sure. :)
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I have heard this term before, are Asylonians considered Maroccidens peoples or is it Terran and south?
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Read on it here:
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Dwilight/Maroccidens
It includes the cities of Paisly, Chesney, Candiels, Rettleville, and Twainville, as well as the large townslands of Wurzburg and Evanburg
I believe Hireshmont coined the term, but I'm not sure. My character has started to happily use it though.
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I guess we are 'Echiuraens' wich I guess would be the midlands between Terran and Caerwyn.
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You really can call yourselves whatever you want. If it sounds alright, then maybe more people might use it. But in the end, there's no official "region designation", so if Asylon disappears and whatever replaces them calls the region "Reallywest" then it's about just as official as whatever is used now.
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I guess we are 'Echiuraens' wich I guess would be the midlands between Terran and Caerwyn.
The Zuma hold that there were a bunch of tribes the correlate with the region names, not necessarily any overarching name for the people. But, if you wanted to name the lake we are surrounding, I think that would go a long way in determining the people group.
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But, if you wanted to name the lake we are surrounding, I think that would go a long way in determining the people group.
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Dwilight/Geographic_Features (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Dwilight/Geographic_Features)
You mean the Silent Rush? It's a gulf, not a lake. ;D
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Noroccidens? Or the Rushians...lol
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Barca has been slow going. I am still hopeful, but it has been a real struggle so far...
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That's expected for the area and the numbers you have so far. The regions are pretty bad in terms of gold income, and the forests seem to be rife with monsters. Food at least wouldn't be a problem, if it weren't for the fact that most of it is going ultimately into the monsters' stomachs. At least you guys didn't get burned to a crisp, so hey, that's a good thing.
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Maroccidens is basically the area south of the Zuma and the Root River.
I have taken to calling the region between the Via Mountains and Maroccidens by the name of Mesoccidens.
The area above that is just "Caerwyn."
I am glad that Maroccidens has caught on as a term; I'm hoping other terms catch on too.
With Asylon expanding to Koshtlom, Terran starting to stabilize after the post-colony shocks, and D'Hara resurgent, it'll still be a hard winter, but next summer should be very fun. I suspect that by next autumn, most of Mesoccidens will be settled by Terran and Asylon (assuming Caerwyn doesn't completely collapse into a mess of monsters and undead and the Zuma don't get feisty), while I have high hopes that Barca will be able to expand given how heavily invested in its success Terran and D'Hara are; and if Terran's north gets more and more stable, we should be able to help Barca more.
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Playing a Banker in this area is depressing. Every turn the game tells you exactly how many peasants starved to death in your realm today.
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Playing a Banker in this area is depressing. Every turn the game tells you exactly how many peasants starved to death in your realm today.
hah, very true. Who do you play?
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Check his profile! He's D'Hara's Banker and he can enjoy seeing three Cities struggle. Well, four now ;)
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Check his profile! He's D'Hara's Banker and he can enjoy seeing three Cities struggle. Well, four now ;)
I know that you mean we're working on securing more food sources, but this being Dwilight, my first thought went to: "What do you mean for now? Are the Zuma coming?! Oh gods!" ;D
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I know that you mean we're working on securing more food sources, but this being Dwilight, my first thought went to: "What do you mean for now? Are the Zuma coming?! Oh gods!" ;D
Just about wet myself on that one.
Is that TMI? It's probably TMI.
When the Zuma declared against Barca, I pretty much freaked out. Every so often I have those moments where it's like, "You know, if the Zuma came over Dragonsong right now, we'd pretty much be ruined." Then I offer up three prayers to the Triune, make the triangle sign, and do assorted other rituals.
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I was pretty surprised when the Zuma went off on Barca. I had honestly never heard of the Zuma before and suddenly they where on the war path. It was not a high point in my characters career to have been newly elected as Judge of Barca, then have to perform what he considered an unjust act and Ban Bowie just to keep these Zuma happy and give Barca even the slightest chance of surviving!
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I think you may not understand the situation between Bowie and the Zuma...
He has, as I understand it, been deliberately provoking them for months now.
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Bowie has been deliberately provoking the entire continent for months now.
Just the Zuma are haughty enough to do something about it.
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For starters, anyone here part of the new realm Barca? One of my characters is part of Terran, but his responsibilities lie mostly in northern Terran so isn't directly involved with the colony attempt at all.
My character, Brackern, just paid them a visit :) A couple of people there who talk, otherwise not much...now onward and eastward!
I was pretty surprised when the Zuma went off on Barca. I had honestly never heard of the Zuma before and suddenly they where on the war path. It was not a high point in my characters career to have been newly elected as Judge of Barca, then have to perform what he considered an unjust act and Ban Bowie just to keep these Zuma happy and give Barca even the slightest chance of surviving!
I thought he was supposed to be killed though? I seem to recall my character getting a copy of a message stating that banishment would not be accepted.
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I am sure I do not fully understand what Bowie has done do rile the Zuma so much. I only know that he had been helpful and dependable during our colonization and had, at that point, done little against Barca itself.
I also remember them demanding his head, but Banishment seemed to appease them...
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Bowie has been antagonizing the Daimons way before Barca. The Daimons wanted his head and demanded immediate banishment, and that he be killed should he be captured. They wouldn't accept Asking him to Leave or letting him get off to allow him to escape without any risk.
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That's why you should always do some basic research on old characters joining your realm. A quick glance at Bowie's history reveals a string of banishments for betrayal and other such shenanigans. Also, he's rather notorious on Dwilight for his antics. You should have known there was a fair chance of trouble with him at the center :P
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A lesson learned... It made for some excitement though. I never mind that.
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I knew what happened between the Zuma and Bowie. But I did not expected the Zuma to come and hunt him down. Disappointing..
They accepted his banishment though, because Bowie moved towards Zuma territory to challenge their leader. They captured him, but he escaped before they could execute him.
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Disappointing? What did you think would happen?
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I came from the south-east.. and after the destruction of Giask I become a ruler next to the Zuma Coalition. I know that Bowie was deported because he provoked the Zuma with his daemon titles. But I did not expected that his presence alone was enough for the Zuma to go to war. I made him clear that I didn't wanted him to provoke the Zuma while a member of Barca, but he also did not had, or gave me the impression that the Zuma would hunt him down. Disappointing, because I had to banish Bowie...
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If all that happened was Bowie stayed low and didn't do anything to draw attention to himself, then all might have been well. He spent a few weeks in Terran without incident after all.
But let's review what happened in Barca. First, there was a new realm formed close to the Zuma. That would definitely draw some attention. Not a lot, but more than usual, which is to say, none. So for at least a few days, one would think Barca would be watched to see how the nearest realm to the south might develop. And here's where the mistake came. In this new realm, the closest to the Zuma's south, you made Bowie the duke of its one and only region. That, you see, was a mistake.
In the end, I think things turned out alright. The original "escape clause" was to have you execute Bowie yourself. Had Bowie not challenged the Zuma, thus opening another method of potentially killing him, Barca would most likely have been wiped. So lesson learned I guess is, the Zuma aren't nice friendly drinking buddies and their lands aren't places to take your family on picnics. They are scary, they are fierce, and they have very long memories.
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Lets say it was publicity for Barca. I had many discussions on IRC about it after the Zuma went on warpath. Luckily it all ended well.
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So lesson learned I guess is, the Zuma aren't nice friendly drinking buddies and their lands aren't places to take your family on picnics. They are scary, they are fierce, and they have very long memories.
Nice Zuma propaganda:)
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What, thought they were friendly storytellers? Yeah right, most daimons in my experience see humans as a human would a fly.
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Interesting. In the early D'Hara days the Zuma seemed much more accomidating, so long as we paid them the proper respect.
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By real world analogy, the early-contact natives of Middle America were fairly accommodating to the future conquistadors. Later, after their gold got stolen, and most of them got killed by disease, guns, and swords, they weren't so nice.
The funny thing about the in-game events is that Asriel Octavius insulted them (I even have the letters saved because it was so hilarious...ly a bad decision), Vesna Valentine stole about 2000 gold from them, Bowie Ironsides walked around crowing about being a bunch of stuff he wasn't, Joash Hamarson refused to bar Bowie Ironsides sanctuary in Summerdale and went so far as to say that they wouldn't bow to anyone (might have said something to tick off the daimons). I think that covers recent events. So, no dead natives yet, but gold was stolen by an outlander, and some of them have unleashed disease-ridden mouths spewing poorly chosen words on the Zuma. That covers 2 out of 3 things so far mentioned that would push just about any civilization to be more cynical and hostile than usual.
Of course, the aforementioned things might not have even mattered, but isn't it much better to think such a connection exists?
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How did Vesna steal 2000 gold from the Zuma?
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How did Vesna steal 2000 gold from the Zuma?
One of the great mysteries....
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Vesna was part of the zuma at one time. I think several players were. Stunts like Vesna pulled, and similar incidents during the invasion, are the reason that pretty much nobody gets to be part of the NPC realms anymore.
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The majority of PCs in NPC realms occurred on BT. In those cases, there were some things I guess. Those events occurred about two years ago and I didn't pay attention to it much until the 4th Invasion. As far as Dwilight is concerned, to my knowledge, only Vesna Valentine and Garret Artemesia have been true human characters in the Zuma Coalition/Netherworld (Dwilight). There was of course Banti of the Zuma, a "human", but played by a GM.
As far as Vesna's actions go, it was handled internally within the "realm". I won't go into it, nor the method by which the gold was taken. Suffice it to say, those in Terran know about the large sum he was carrying, and my character notified I think the judge of Terran shortly after he took the money.
Anyway, there will likely be no more NPC realms on BT, and on Dwilight the Zuma Coalition isn't supposed to distract focus away from fighting among human realms. So the message is: Be proud to be human and fighting each other! That's the spirit of the game.
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What, thought they were friendly storytellers? Yeah right, most daimons in my experience see humans as a human would a fly.
Are they in fact daimons? I heard that they were something else.
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There are a lot of rumors and stories, no doubt. It's kind of the point.
If you're interested, go ask around. Other people will no doubt have stories to share. How much you want to believe them is another matter...
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Maroccidens is basically the area south of the Zuma and the Root River.
I have taken to calling the region between the Via Mountains and Maroccidens by the name of Mesoccidens.
The area above that is just "Caerwyn."
I am glad that Maroccidens has caught on as a term; I'm hoping other terms catch on too.
With Asylon expanding to Koshtlom, Terran starting to stabilize after the post-colony shocks, and D'Hara resurgent, it'll still be a hard winter, but next summer should be very fun. I suspect that by next autumn, most of Mesoccidens will be settled by Terran and Asylon (assuming Caerwyn doesn't completely collapse into a mess of monsters and undead and the Zuma don't get feisty), while I have high hopes that Barca will be able to expand given how heavily invested in its success Terran and D'Hara are; and if Terran's north gets more and more stable, we should be able to help Barca more.
I really invested a lot into sending caravans to all corners of the world this "year", I'm thinking we should fare better than last winter. We'll see how long my stocks last... especially since the other cities will probably be wanting slices of it.
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You know, once (and if) Barca and Aurvandil get on their feet, you could have some lovely little wars down there. It's a very nice compact set of regions that has multiple realms already attempting to fill the space. With any luck, it won't become a big monolithic bloc and we'll see some real political competition within the Maroccidens. Seems like an exciting place.
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It'll be a long while, possibly a never, before there are both enough nobles and low enough frequency of monsters to have any human conflicts down there. Aurvandil vs Madina is more due to the origins of Aurvandil, and otherwise would be an unfruitful conflict for both of them. (It is, either way)
Add to that the low income of all regions, and most people would probably get bored doing nothing but sitting in a few regions. That could be one of the reasons why most new characters are concentrated in places like Astrum and Morek Empire, because they can go out and fight stuff rather than monsters and low production all the time.
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You really underestimate the fun of creating something out of nothing and living a difficult frontier type lifestyle.
On the other hand you're right, it takes a certain kind of person to join one of the smaller realms that don't offer immediate action or an easy lifestyle.
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No, I don't. I had Aquilegia as an experience from the start of realm. Long before that I was in Shadovar shortly after they formed.
It's work, and it often doesn't pay off in the end. Most players who don't understand how much investment they must make in boredom will probably not stick around for long. Those who do are fairly fewer by comparison. But this is something specific to Dwilight. I don't think the same would be found on any other continent, due in part to the size and character limits. Having only one noble per family on the continent means realms really need to rely on the interests of many players, and can't have the added help of dedicated families doubling up their nobles.
But that also brings up the point of the many realms on Dwilight. That dilutes the players so that the newer/smaller realms really hover in the sub-20 nobles mark, most of the time, unless for some reason a bunch of nobles from another realm migrate over, or a multicheater decides to take over the realm.
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What do you mean boredom? There's always monsters to kill. Granted, that can get boring in and of itself, but it's not like there's nothing to do... And progress is measurable. You regions slowly improve, as does your infrastructure.
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It'll be a long while, possibly a never, before there are both enough nobles and low enough frequency of monsters to have any human conflicts down there. Aurvandil vs Madina is more due to the origins of Aurvandil, and otherwise would be an unfruitful conflict for both of them. (It is, either way)
They're spreading out enough, taking enough regions, that soon the monster frequency will start to go way down. That will help.
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You really underestimate the fun of creating something out of nothing and living a difficult frontier type lifestyle.
On the other hand you're right, it takes a certain kind of person to join one of the smaller realms that don't offer immediate action or an easy lifestyle.
Indeed.
I'd also add that there would likely be strong pacifist pressures in the region. War causes damage and production drops, which in return lowers food outputs and therefore make some people very unhappy.
Not saying war will never happen, though.
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I've had immense fun in D'Hara fighting for our lives to hold our regions against the waves of Monsters and occasionally the Undead. I guess it differs per person, but it's not like we're not doing anything there.
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I'd also add that there would likely be strong pacifist pressures in the region. War causes damage and production drops, which in return lowers food outputs and therefore make some people very unhappy.
If the Maroccidens is ever fully settled, I predict that food will become much less of a problem in the region as a whole. This will also largely eliminate the hordes of monsters. It will put the Maroccidens into a similar position as the northeast of Dwilight - plenty of food, not enough monsters to stave off Too Much Peace. Let the games begin!
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Well, I rather battle monsters and start a war for a real reason, than to begin a war simply 'because it's fun'. I like Dwilight because not going to war is an actual option there! (at least for smaller realms, such as Fissoa)
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The frequent monster and undead battles make it an option for any "frontier" realm, even one as large as Astrum. The realms in the more settled regions, like Libero Empire and Summerdale may have problems, though. It's their reward for being so civilized that they have the luxury of enough free time to get bored. :)
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I should clarify too - based on the existing borders and projected borders, some realms will still be short of food, while others will run a surplus. Even more potential for yummy conflict.
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Once Maroccidens is wholly settled, there will be an overabundance of food.
Terran will be self-sufficient when fully developed. Barca and Aurvandil will run major surpluses. D'Hara will continue, now and forevermore, to run deficits. I suspect, however, that D'Hara's deficits will be smaller than Barca and Aurvandils' surpluses. Fully settled, I expect Dwilight would have huge, consistent, food surpluses in most areas.
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Once Maroccidens is wholly settled, there will be an overabundance of food.
Terran will be self-sufficient when fully developed. Barca and Aurvandil will run major surpluses. D'Hara will continue, now and forevermore, to run deficits. I suspect, however, that D'Hara's deficits will be smaller than Barca and Aurvandils' surpluses. Fully settled, I expect Dwilight would have huge, consistent, food surpluses in most areas.
Once D'Hara reaches its theoretical maximum expansion, it will require about 429 bushels of food daily.
If we limit ourselves to going only up to Qubel Lighthouse (the easternmost net food producer), it will be 408 bushels per day.
If we limit ourselves to what we currently have, it will be 285 bushels a day.
I can't say how much we will produce ourselves, though. I can't make any sense of the numbers available to actually estimate food production. Does anyone know what the formula is? 'Cause my city on BT is about to produce about three times the number on the region page while the adjacent rural is about to make a much lower ratio, and production seems to be at 100% in both (though rogues might have lowered it for a few days in the latter).
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If I recall correctly and the code hasn't been changed...
The number is for five days (from when harvests were every five days, and it's not an easy thing to go in and change all the numbers), not seven. It is then further modified by the season and weather. I don't know the whether modifiers, but Kelley has been running the spreadsheets for several harvests in Arcaea and came up with 25% for Winter, 75% for Spring, 100% for Summer, and 200% for Autumn.
So, the formula, so far as I know...Region food number * 7/5 * season percentage * weather modifier * production percentage at each full turn = harvest number
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Once Maroccidens is wholly settled, there will be an overabundance of food.
quoted for truth......oooo, wait ;)