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BattleMaster => Helpline => Topic started by: lorduck on April 30, 2012, 10:09:20 PM

Title: Duchy alignment change when kicked out of estate
Post by: lorduck on April 30, 2012, 10:09:20 PM: Here's the scenario:

On Dwilight, Palm Sea is part of Duchy Drowenton, and therefore the Lord has pledged allegiance to Duke of Drowenton. The Lord then gets kicked out because of unruly peasants. His allegiance is then changed to the Duchy of Fissoa. Is that what is supposed to happen?

It seems to me that one's allegiance wouldn't change simply because some peasants get all uppity.

I believe a similar situation happened with the Lord of Nuas, who was kicked when the region went rogue. We took it back, but I believe it's the same issue. Haven't gotten confirmation from the player yet.

If this behavior is not how the game mechanics should work I will gladly submit a bug report.
Title: Re: Duchy alignment change when kicked out of estate
Post by: Anaris on April 30, 2012, 10:11:10 PM: These days, one's allegiance is determined by one's estate. If one has no estate (and is not a Lord or Duke), one cannot be in a Duchy.

If someone without an estate is showing up as being in the Duchy of Fissoa, I believe that is itself a bug, regardless of how they got to that state.
Title: Re: Duchy alignment change when kicked out of estate
Post by: Foundation on April 30, 2012, 10:14:19 PM: Does the lord have an estate in the Duchy of Fissoa? This conversation really belongs on the bugtracker.
Title: Re: Duchy alignment change when kicked out of estate
Post by: lorduck on April 30, 2012, 10:30:37 PM: Quote from: Anaris on April 30, 2012, 10:11:10 PM
These days, one's allegiance is determined by one's estate. If one has no estate (and is not a Lord or Duke), one cannot be in a Duchy.

If someone without an estate is showing up as being in the Duchy of Fissoa, I believe that is itself a bug, regardless of how they got to that state.

Sounds like a bug to me given what I have from the player in question. I'll post in bug tracker.

For what it's worth, I can understand how allegiance is tied to estates, but there ought to be a way to re-install a lord who was just kicked from their estate. As it stands the former Lord has to take an estate in Duchy Drowenton before being reassigned. If there were no estates available in the duchy, it would require someone making one simply for the purpose of allowing the character to change allegiance.

From an RP perspective, I would think that it would make sense that actively taking an estate would change one's allegiance, but involuntarily losing an estate would not.
Title: Re: Duchy alignment change when kicked out of estate
Post by: lorduck on April 30, 2012, 10:39:01 PM: Correction, Anaris re-opened my original bug, so I'll wait to start a new bug report.
Title: Re: Duchy alignment change when kicked out of estate
Post by: Foundation on May 01, 2012, 02:21:16 AM: You should be able to reinstall any lord without an estate, i.e. with no allegiance except to the realm at large. Otherwise it is a bug.