| Summary: | Failure to abide by Magistrate verdict |
| Violation: | Clause 2: Fair Play (Original Judgement) |
| World: | East Continent |
| Complainer: | Ryan Baldock (http://battlemaster.org/UserDetails.php?ID=32345) |
| About: | Joseph Lant (http://battlemaster.org/UserDetails.php?ID=30651) |
(This petition has multiple defendants as identified in the "Fontan deportee returns"thread in the Magistrates Q&A forum - the second here is the player of the Cordon-D'Anerville family, ID is 29103.)
As identified by the player of the Dragul family, and Peter (aka Foundation on the forums) in the previously mentioned thread, the defendants have returned to their points of origin after a magistrate judgement was enforced against them due to being in violation of Clause 2 of the Social Contract regarding fair play and being in a group of players which did not invest in a constructive gaming community, as found by a Dev Team investigation as well as discussion and judgement by the Magistrates.
When the original case was brought by Tom, he proposed the following in his original complaint:
"I propose to break up the clan by deporting a randomly selected half of their members from both realms to randomly selected other islands, where they can then join realms of their own choice. I also propose to prohibit them from re-forming within the same realm at a size of more than one third of the number of characters in those realms for the period of one year."
While there was no explicit mention of this in the original judgement of the Magistrates, it should be noted that both players have returned to their point of origin after the minimum length of time possible as per the game mechanics regarding emigration allows for. As such, it is felt that both players are openly defying the verdict in the original case.
With that in mind, I ask that the Magistrates look again at the punishment handed out and consider whether any additional sanctions need to be carried out. There is precedent for this, as noted in the second case against the player of the Orton family and failure to disband militia completely after an initial Magistrate verdict on the matter.
I would as a side note like to know how Velax found this information out? I quite doubt it was discovered from daily refreshing all the profiles of the deported saxons to see if they'd moved
I would as a side note like to know how Velax found this information out? I quite doubt it was discovered from daily refreshing all the profiles of the deported saxons to see if they'd moved
Not really sure how that's relevant, to be honest, but one of the deportees ended up in my realm on FEI. He made no effort whatsoever to integrate, never sent a single message that I saw, ignored all the messages I sent him, never moved outside the capital and then left back to EC. I assumed he would be returning to Fontan and I was not proved wrong.
I also propose to prohibit them from re-forming within the same realm at a size of more than one third of the number of characters in those realms for the period of one year.
Are they currently in breach of that part of the judgment?
The Magistrate decision did say: "The goal of this unusual action is to compel the members of this clan to try playing the game separately, as individuals, rather than as a collective that plays the game primarily as a group. As it is their collectivist approach to conflict and power that creates the violations that we have determined exist, we believe that this is the best option to correct the situation and it is our hope that these players can learn to enjoy the game as it was meant to be."
The entire point of the punishment was to separate this clan. They would have been well aware of that when they were punished but at least one or two chose to disregard it completely, making no effort whatsoever to play with anyone other than their clan mates.
Yes, that is relevant information. It strongly supports the original verdict that these players are playing as a clan and don't give a flying !@#$ about the rest of the BM community or game.
Any rash of new accounts in the two realms affected?
Any rash of new accounts in the two realms affected?
Any rash of new accounts in the two realms affected?
Aurvandil does have a sudden uptick shortly after the enforcement of the verdict; but I dunno where those accounts originate from, and I'm dreading the idea of dredging through all those (remarkably identical!) accounts again. Please don't make me do it Indirik. Please. Have mercy on a poor boy.
I think those were fleeing Barcans, and we had 2 accounts unpause + 3 new nobles from pre existing accounts but no torrent of new accounts or anything like that
No, I don't mean the spike beginning May 6. I mean the spike beginning April 24, right after the deportations.
But, again, I dunno where those accounts came from.
not that it matters, but the rest of the clan members all auto paused tonight at the same time or at least 8 of them did.
Knight paused (4 hours ago)
Yvonne Peugeot (Dame of Negev) has been auto-paused due to inactivity.
This player I know in Real Life, he isn't a clanner. Please don't assume that all the auto-paused characters are "clanners". That's just nonsense.
Well, we have seen in the past that certain groups were quite willing to abandon accounts and just make new ones...
The reason I returned to Dwilight is quite simple, Dwilight is the most interesting continent to play on and the only one I have a real character reason to be there. Atamara is a dead end by comparison, possibly the most boringly stagnant of all the continents. If I knew I was going to be taken for the chop I'd have happily stepped out from Fontan and East Continent and saved some of the others ( I can't recall who had the Enobled-Advy deported at the moment, but he'd been in the realm for well over 1000 days so I find it hard to see why he would be picked )
Anyway, If needs be I'll just make it easy for you and leave the game, because if I can't play where I would like to with the IC. backstory and RP. cause on specific characters then there is really no reason at all to play. I would like to be able to play Dwilight though if that is at all possible.
:-: This isn't a bugtracker I know but as a PS. you might like to know after Cold Storage I still have access and can send messages from Nathanial, which I assume isn't meant to happen.
Moderator note: If you find a bug please report them it to the tracker. Commenting about a bug here wont accomplish anything because there's no way to track it.
The reason I returned to Dwilight is quite simple, Dwilight is the most interesting continent to play on and the only one I have a real character reason to be there. Atamara is a dead end by comparison, possibly the most boringly stagnant of all the continents. If I knew I was going to be taken for the chop I'd have happily stepped out from Fontan and East Continent and saved some of the others ( I can't recall who had the Enobled-Advy deported at the moment, but he'd been in the realm for well over 1000 days so I find it hard to see why he would be picked )
Anyway, If needs be I'll just make it easy for you and leave the game, because if I can't play where I would like to with the IC. backstory and RP. cause on specific characters then there is really no reason at all to play. I would like to be able to play Dwilight though if that is at all possible.
:-: This isn't a bugtracker I know but as a PS. you might like to know after Cold Storage I still have access and can send messages from Nathanial, which I assume isn't meant to happen.
Moderator note: If you find a bug please report them it to the tracker. Commenting about a bug here wont accomplish anything because there's no way to track it.
Yes. And no. We actually made a decision, but we need help from the Dev team to enforce it.
That's all very well, but to the best of my knowledge, the dev team has not actually been informed of this.
That's sort of important if you want our help.