| Summary: | Clan from Fontan/Aurvandil now in Armonia |
| Violation: | Clanning |
| World: | East Continent |
| Complainer: | Alexandros Stavrou (http://battlemaster.org/UserDetails.php?ID=5798) |
| About: | Atticus R (http://battlemaster.org/UserDetails.php?ID=30610) |
1. Can someone testify to what happened in Nivemus at the end of May? I could 3 characters with connections to Aurvandil banned from Nivemus at that time. Nivemus/Aurvandil connections have been noted before.Speaking from my character Brock who was in Nivemus during the bans time.
Letter from Neji Uzamaki (10 days, 21 hours ago)
True Nobles of Nivemus,
Let me explain my recent actions thoroughly.
In most Monarchies, the Ruler is a strong power that rules over the realm wisely. He has a great degree of power so far as foreign relations go, and great power in the realm he rules as the head of the realm. He is the top of the chain of command. Arguably, in internal matters, the argument can be made that the Judge is then the next powerful position in the realm in internal matters. These two work together, one as head of the realm and the other as the legal authority, to keep the peace and to hold the realm to a high degree of honor and stability. This is the most fundamental duty of the Ruler and the Judge in a Monarchy.
Therefore, with the approval of Kronogos Talius, as well as the backing by Stratarchos Turgon, I have banned nine nobles, who some regard as Saxons, from the realm for continual conduct detrimental to the realms stability. Much thought and talk has preceded this action, and I can easily say it has been the hardest decision I have ever had to make in my career. But that does not mean I chose wrongly. Both Kronogos Talius, Stratarchos Turgon, and myself believe that Nivemus cannot move forward with these people running our suggestions into the ground(both in the council and in public), and causing an amount of instability in a realm which can only be seen in Fontan on this continent. These banning are the first step to continuing our growth and making a more stable, open realm. This realm has so much potential, but this realm is also living in a time where a realm of this size cannot afford to be constantly divided because one group wants power.
However, this is a big change, and one certainly not all of you will like. In my Judge Bulletin, I have a prologue to my Bulletin. This is what it says: 'The duty of the Legodos, or Judge of Nivemus, is to uphold a set of laws and principles in an objective and fair manner and to protect the interests and nobles of Nivemus. I have sworn to do that as long as I am Legodos and I assure you I hold myself to this standard with every decision I make.' This decision has forced me to come to a crossroads. Do I do what is objective and fair by the people's standards, or do I do what I know is in the interest of Nivemus due to my knowledge of being on the Council and watching such things unfold? As much as my prologue would make it seem like all matters of a Judge are black and white, they are not. Sometimes, there are shades of grey in which you must do what you know is right, even if it is hard and unpopular, and face the consequences, even if your decision is the best decision to be made.
Therefore, I am prepared to face a self-imposed consequence, as this was ultimately my decision. Elections will soon run, and I will not run in these next elections. I will, at least for a time, no longer be Legodos of Nivemus and I will let one of you be elected. I only ask of you, the True nobles of Nivemus, to not join the banned in their protests or rebellion or whatever the fall out is after these verdicts. No, I do not ask, I beg this of you. Nivemus needs this change. Perhaps more than even those who want this to happen realize. And if it fails... Ora help us all.
This is about what Nivemus needs to keep growing. Not anything else. Not about Stratarchos Turgon, or Kronogos Talius, and certainly not about me. I am less important than the needs of my realm and live trying to submit to the interests of Nivemus always. Therefore, as is written as the reasons for banishment, I have banned Cesera, Czarixina, Ferleve, Hyzenthflay, Icius Rae, Sirius, Iziaslav, Jaroslav, and Kelsa by the will of the Kronogos and for their continual actions detrimental to the realm.
For Nivemus,
Neji Uzamaki
Legodos of Nivemus, Earl of Salta
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But to get on topic to an Aurvandilan Clan in Armonia, well this is just the saxon panic again isn't it? Apparently in Westmoor, Nivemus, Fontan, Aurvandil and now Armonia. If you find more than one player with a character in Aurvandil, they're obviously plotting to steal your titles or gold to expand the great empire of the High Sovereign.
We're not discussing whether or not there was a clan in Aurvandil. The magistrates found evidence of clan activity in Aurvandil and Fontan, made their decision, and we need to respect that ruling. The evidence they found was based on financial transactions, not an RC name. If you have a grievance about a magistrate decision you need to talk to Tom about it, because we can't do anything to help you.
There are 5 characters in Armonia with ties to Aurvandil. One of them was deported for clan activity in the past. It will be a simple enough matter for a GM to run their financials to check for similar activities.
If there is Saxon or Saxon-like clan activity, it would indicate that those involved are not taking the court decision seriously. And if there isn't clan activity, then an investigation will allay the concerns of those who think there is.
Believe me, I want to win the war agains't Eponllyn as much as anyone, but I don't want that victory tainted by unproven accusations of clanning. Therefore, we should get proof (of guilt OR innocence) BEFORE it becomes a problem, not after.
It's entirely possible that it's just a group of former Aurvandilans that just want to play in the same realm together- they haven't done anything OVERTLY clan-like. Either way it would do everyone a favor to make sure.
2. A player from Eponllyn has opened a Magistrate case against a group of players in Armonia.Just to be anal, the player that opened the case has two characters in Perdan, and none in Eponllyn.
Is there evidence of abusive behavior? If not, I can't really see what it is you would want us to do here. This is my current impression, please correct me if I'm wrong:True.
1. Armonia and Eponllyn are at war.
2. A player from Eponllyn has opened a Magistrate case against a group of players in Armonia.False. A player from PERDAN, which is not involved in the war, filed the complaint.
3. Apart from the presence of this group of players, there does not seem to be a specific complaint regarding their actions, behavior, or anything that might reasonably be classified as an abuse.As an outsider, the complainer is concerned as he knows what the "Saxons" can do. He's seen it, he's fought it. What he can specifically protest against is therefore limited due to lack of a first hand account. The point is likely to get the Magistrates/Staff to investigate.
Are all of the above points correct?
Just to be anal, the player that opened the case has two characters in Perdan, and none in Eponllyn.
As an outsider, the complainer is concerned as he knows what the "Saxons" can do. He's seen it, he's fought it. What he can specifically protest against is therefore limited due to lack of a first hand account. The point is likely to get the Magistrates/Staff to investigate.
But is there any reasonable cause for us to do so other than the circumstances of them being together in one place? I mean, we could get involved every single time any of these players show up anywhere in a group, but doesn't that seem excessive? They've done nothing to justify suspicion in this case other than show up together in one place as far as I can tell.
Why were we banned from Nivemus? For being in Aurvandil, literally only that.
Just to try and expose the kind of nonsense we were forced to deal with - I was accused of clanning with another character for having a recruitment centre called the "de Hauteville Principes", Principes being a type of heavy Infantry, and also the designated name for the recruitment centre back when it was in Fontan (I merely put my name in front of it) but Principe was also the family name of another character in Aurvandil. Yes, this was the level of stupidity we were faced with in Nivemus. For the accusation of "always protesting", well the first time I "protested" was when I quite calmly said to the Kronogos we shouldn't be living of hand outs from Sirion, which is fair enough, how can a realm have dignity if it lives of another realms welfare? The next time I actually protested, I again calmly complained at the various members of the government being ridiculously belligerent and rude to a certain group of nobles, mainly the only nobles who ever talked who weren't them, asking them to show more decorum. This isn't counting the few debates we had over clanning, were several players quite concisely disproved their accusations, not that that meant anything.
I guess they also said I/we (The we only became apparently after they banned a group of players, before that I had no clue who "we" were) never contributed or followed orders, aside from the fact my character followed several recent orders, and couldn't previously due to being a lord, and was completely following orders before that. Other characters were accused of not contributing, but then several of those characters were the most active monster in the north/borders of Sirion at the time, with some of them still in regions fighting monsters when they were banned.
The only clan in Nivemus, was the ruling class, who became convinced that anyone with a connection to about five different realms were trying to take over Nivemus, and from that point absolutely refused to believe anything else whatsoever, no matter what evidence you gave them. Even as a new player with none of those connections I was forced to put up with this crap since the moment I arrived, as one of my characters joined Aurvandil later on from Astrum. They banned me/us/ for no reason whatsoever other than they fought we were plotting (again, for as little "evidence" as the naming of my recruitment centre, or maybe two of "us" agreeing in an debate) and I mean, no matter what you said, did or proved was enough to stop this torrent of what can only be considered baseless preconceptions against you.
But to get on topic to an Aurvandilan Clan in Armonia, well this is just the saxon panic again isn't it? Apparently in Westmoor, Nivemus, Fontan, Aurvandil and now Armonia. If you find more than one player with a character in Aurvandil, they're obviously plotting to steal your titles or gold to expand the great empire of the High Sovereign.
Which is like treating cancer only after you get symptoms. It's much less likely to work than if you look for it before any symptoms show up.
Which is like treating cancer only after you get symptoms. It's much less likely to work than if you look for it before any symptoms show up.
I agree with egamma. There's no rule that states you are not allowed to play in the same realm as your friends.
Or even exclusively with your friends.
Incorrect. Excluding non-members from in-game activities is the one thing that will prompt me to banish a clan from the game.
I am indeed in Perdan, not in Armonia.
But I am observing regularly (daily) the statistics of Perdan's neighbour realms to see Perdan is safe.
I saw a flux of players to Armonia since their war started.
I saw that there was always a gap between 3-5 chars between Armonia and Eponllyn, with Armonia having more. This went up to 6-10 chars in recent time for Armonia.
And after checking on the Armonian families, I saw that there are a lot of Aurvandil/Fontan players.
Due to this - in combination with the demise of Fontan - I wanted the Magistrates and Titans to preventively take note and observe the situation, since it might be very possible that the remaining clanners from Fontan will go to Armonia.
We have seen this plague many times in action now and we should be cautious, since their migration is still quite predictive - and before the next one happens.
A war between Eponllyn and Armonia on the succession of the former Ibladesh empire was to happen earlier or later, but I'd wish this to happen without any clanning help.
Thank you.
I am indeed in Perdan, not in Armonia.
But I am observing regularly (daily) the statistics of Perdan's neighbour realms to see Perdan is safe.
I saw a flux of players to Armonia since their war started.
I saw that there was always a gap between 3-5 chars between Armonia and Eponllyn, with Armonia having more. This went up to 6-10 chars in recent time for Armonia.
And after checking on the Armonian families, I saw that there are a lot of Aurvandil/Fontan players.
Due to this - in combination with the demise of Fontan - I wanted the Magistrates and Titans to preventively take note and observe the situation, since it might be very possible that the remaining clanners from Fontan will go to Armonia.
We have seen this plague many times in action now and we should be cautious, since their migration is still quite predictive - and before the next one happens.
A war between Eponllyn and Armonia on the succession of the former Ibladesh empire was to happen earlier or later, but I'd wish this to happen without any clanning help.
Thank you.
Here's a bottle of chemo. Please swallow it, even though you don't have cancer yet.
...Yeah, I didn't think so.
It's time for this witchhunt to stop, I think. Magistrates, have you voted yet?