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BattleMaster => Locals => Colonies => Topic started by: Jeckyl on March 26, 2011, 02:06:30 PM
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Some Duke needs to secede ;) or better yet, swear allegiance to someone else.
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At least one Beamer wants Leia to open a portal in Portion or something. I doubt it would do anything though.
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The problem with Lukon is that it has a whole lot of 2 character families, making army movements extremely effective. I'd be willing to enforce a one-character per family rule in Giblot if the other realms would do the same.
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I agree... sort of
The balance of the Colonies was fine as long as no one showed much success. Lukon was able to capitalize on mistakes by its enemies over the years and here we are.
In Lukons defense...everything has always been on the up and up. We offered outs to realms instead of taking them out, but it seems a common trend that people prefer to fight to the last instead. In Alebads case Lukon made repeated deals with them, each one broken by Alebad.
You are right that there are a number of families with two nobles in the realm. I am not sure why that is except that with the reduced number of players in the game recently, Lukons number have really declined. Down from about 50. I guess those players who felt most at home in Lukon have stayed.
I am very proud of Lukon as a realm. Oh I have been bashed by this person or that... called many many...many names OOC over the years but I can honestly say that Valast has remained the character I designed him to be. I have not let him capitalize on situations that would be OOC for him even tho it could have aided the realm strategically. At the same time I have not passed up situations that fit just to preserve game balance. To do that would be in my view just as bad as being a completely strategic player.
Lukon is big. Her people are loyal. but that does not mean she is TOO powerful or TOO big. Lukon will fall one day not too far off I think. But we cant just let it happen. It has to happen in its own time.
One problem is that even if Lukon were to crumble into three realms today, one realm will end up stronger then another and we will be in the same situation in a few months or years.
Another is that the story line must not be broken for the sake of game balance or strategy play.
A third is that Oritolon is strong also, so does every realm need to be limited to one city for ever? Makes it a bit boring IMO and we have enough problems attracting players to the Colonies.
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Perhaps we should be talking about visible weaknesses in Lukon to provide ideas?
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IC I would propose a coalition to stand against Lukon's tendency to butt in on other people's wars. But being in Giblot, such an idea is not my char's highest priority to pursue...
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Your highest priority being 'how the hell do I get outta here?'
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Your highest priority being 'how the hell do I get outta here?'
No, Jeckyl's having fun in Giblot, I think--army marshal.
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@Valast: The rest of the Colonies are scared to war, fearful that Lukon will take sides against them. That means that Lukon basically takes on the role of aggressor, and of course, picks a realm that they can defeat.
Meanwhile, I'm reviving the Via of Filoulus, perhaps we'll have a religious army that will go and forcefully convert people. It'll take quite a while to get our own peasants converted. The hard part is separating that kind of war from the realm.
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I saw this and riled up a bit in the Assassins by looting Wetham :P ::) Isaiah is going to a very fun character to play! He is like an outlaw working against my family and has pretty much no morals. Gonna turn into some great roleplays.. I was going to do so with those in the Assassins but this happened:
Exiled from realm! (just in)
Aramon Abjur, Shadow Tyrant of Assassins has exiled you from the realm, declaring you a personal enemy.You retain all your titles and are still a member of the realm. However, most of the infrastructure, especially recruitment in the capital and banking, are no longer available to you. This is a contest of wills - the longer you stay in the realm despite these hindrances, the more honour and prestige Aramon will lose. However, you can also end this, not only by leaving the realm but also by working on getting the ruler replaced - if there is a change in rulership, your exile will automatically end.
In case you care, the reason he gave for his action was:
A coward, blasphemer traitor, and rebel whose actions were aimed at causing a war between our realm and another kingdom. Any realm that would take a "noble" such as him into their ranks invites their doom to walk among them.
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yaaaah.... never a good idea to back talk a ruler when your 9 days in a realm
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Maybe I should stay around and plot their downfall? Assassins should never be allowed their own home. They should be controlled! By smarter people like me and you! 8) :-X
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:o right on! beg for forgiveness plot revenge and join Lukon to gain rank and power as one of the few young nobles! Briliant.
*disclaimer* the word briliant is miss spelled on pourpoese
*second disclaimer* the word pourpoese is a typo
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Sounds good! *whispers things in his ear*
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Or come join Giblot! We have exiles from Alowca, Wetham, Lukon, Alebad I think, and I think even Portion--although I think that one may be paused. A half-decade of experience of warfare against Lukon, all gathered in one realm.
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Your highest priority being 'how the hell do I get outta here?'
I chose Giblot, actually. It suited my character. And besides, ooc rumour told me my family was ban on sight in every other realm on the Colonies. I was Banker for a short time also.
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whaaat?
No one is ban on sight in Lukon. Thats something I have made sure of. Heck we have even offered Innocent a place to come aboard. Of course staying very long depends on actions...but...
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I'll agree with Valast on that one. My character was the General/Ruler of Alowca in its dying days, but she was still offered a place in Lukon (I think there was even an offer from Oritolon, as long as I didn't mind being shunned for a while).
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On the subject of bans...Valast...care to take Lucius back? I can see why he's been banned twice. He's just charged Gellin, Chancellor of Giblot, with treason!
It would be more hilarious if he wasn't so...annoying. I can't tell if that's the player or the character.
text:
Roleplay from Lucius Domitius (1 hour, 56 minutes ago)
Message sent to everyone in your realm (27 recipients)
Gorham Pearson, Inquisitor of Giblot,
this way I am officially pressing charges for treason against Giblot democracy against Gellin Gellander, Chancellor of Giblot.
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Case 1:
Details for referendum "Fiduciary elections":
Initiated by Gellin Gellander, Chancellor of Giblot, 3 days left for votes. 28 participants are invited to vote.
Text of the referendum:
This referendum is for Giblot's constitution.
Please vote for one the following:
Giblot-Current system with all nobles voting monthly
Briarull-All nobles vote quarterly
Wirkfyr-Lords vote monthly
Ammersfield-Lords vote quarterly
Dalverdy-Lords (representative) vote monthly
Dregna-Lords (representative) vote quarterly
Note that the (representative) means that region lords with more knights get more votes.
If no choice gets a majority of possible votes, then there will be a runoff between the top two choices.
This referendum requires a qualified majority to pass.
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Case 2:
Details for referendum "General election":
Initiated by Gellin Gellander, Chancellor of Giblot, 3 days left for votes. 28 participants are invited to vote.
Text of the referendum:
This referendum is for Giblot's constitution.
Please vote for one the following:
Giblot-Current system with all nobles voting monthly
Briarull-All nobles vote quarterly
Wirkfyr-Lords vote monthly
Ammersfield-Lords vote quarterly
Dalverdy-Lords (representative) vote monthly
Dregna-Lords (representative) vote quarterly
Note that the (representative) means that region lords with more knights get more votes.
This referendum requires a qualified majority to pass.
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Case 3:
Details for referendum "Inquisitor election":
Initiated by Gellin Gellander, Chancellor of Giblot, 3 days left for votes. 28 participants are invited to vote.
Text of the referendum:
This referendum is for Giblot's constitution.
Please vote for one the following:
Giblot-Current system with all nobles voting monthly
Briarull-All nobles vote quarterly
Wirkfyr-Lords vote monthly
Ammersfield-Lords vote quarterly
Dalverdy-Lords (representative) vote monthly
Dregna-Lords (representative) vote quarterly
Note that the (representative) means that region lords with more knights get more votes.
This referendum requires a qualified majority to pass.
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In all three cases Chancellor Gellin Gellander betrayed Giblot democracy simply by giving following options:
Wirkfyr-Lords vote monthly
Ammersfield-Lords vote quarterly
Dalverdy-Lords (representative) vote monthly
Dregna-Lords (representative) vote quarterly
Explanation:
- all Nobles have right to vote or not to vote
- that is foundation of democracy
- if majority can take right to vote from anyone simply by voting that he do not have right to vote then it is not democracy any more
- if Nobles do not have right to vote then it is not democracy any more
- if some Lords have more votes then the other simply because they have more knights (etc. we are all equal but some are more equal then the other) it is not democracy any more
- all upper stated options can not be legal in democracy
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Chancellor Gellin Gellander confirmed that those options mean exactly what I said:
Letter from Gellin Gellander
Message sent to everyone in your realm (27 recipients)
Please explain what following options mean:
1. Lords vote monthly (quarterly)
Does it mean that Nobles do not have right to vote?
Correct. Well, technically the nobles are entrusting the election to the lords.
2. Lords (representative) vote monthly (quarterly) - Note that the (representative) means that region lords with more knights get more votes.
Do
To reply on: "Well, technically the nobles are entrusting the election to the lords."
Well, technically that would be changing democracy to monarchy.
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Duo to all stated I am asking:
- all three referendums to be canceled duo to illegal options
- Gellin Gellander to step down from the position of Chancellor of Giblot and new elections to be announced
- 6 month ban on getting any position or Lordship in Giblot for Gellin Gellander for treason against Giblot democracy
Lucius Domitius (Knight of Giblot)
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HAHA... good times.
Um... I think I will leave that up to the Judge... I E no way in heck.
Oh im sure there is an IC way to get back into good standing but proly not.
Then again...Valast is a very old man. Most of Lukons Barbarians are old people who just haven't died in battle yet. When they start to die out, the whole island dynamic will start to change.
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Dang! Should have predicted lotto numbers instead!
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A sad day. Valast will be missed as a character, played quite a part in Rax's development.
Lukon is too big, but the rest of the realms don't always help themselves. Outer Tilog is now happily friendly with them, but in the past, when these concerns were first raised IC, we plotted with all the other realms (except Oritolon) with the intention of taking Portion and forming a new realm.
All of this plotting and planning went well until Giblot decided they'd make the most of us being diverted elsewhere and try to take over the rest of Outer Tilog... Now, everything is as it was. The only time Rax has ever turned on anyone, only to then be let down by allies...
With Valast now gone though :( , who knows what might happen in Lukon...
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hehe... He was around a long time thats for sure. Helped me learn the game ic and ooc. And playing him helped me to learn a lot about myself and the real world too....such as how to have a thicker skin.
Oh James that was not the first time that had happened you know. It is hard to find people who can remember back all the way back 7 or 8 years :P
OT and Valast go way back too. Fighting off the Lich King was fun. Saving your scurvy arse from Giblot to get your city back... Well anyway, could go on for hours like a REAL old barbarian with stories. but um..that would make me look like a lame geek. Which I am, but I dont want to LOOK like one!
Ahhh well. I suppose the question now is where do I put my new character and where? Was thinking Valda...Daughter of Valast.
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Ahhh well. I suppose the question now is where do I put my new character and where? Was thinking Valda...Daughter of Valast.
I'd tap that ???
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Yes, a sad day for Giblot as well...now that we've done you the favor of knocking you off, Ares is probably going to bring the army over. Did you intend for Valast to die, standing alone in that region for a week?
I may have to change Gellin into a hero, just to give them someone to kill.
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Naaa. I just played him the way he was meant to be played. Put him in harms way and leave him there until he cant fight or there is nothing to fight. Actually tho, I thought he would have reinforcements from the Assassins. No one else knows about that request but Val and Aramon tho as far as I know.
Ares may bring the barbarian horde north in full force. Not sure as I couldn't get any messages being dead and all. But this should help liven up the colonies for a bit right? Offers chances for people to unite against a weakened Lukon... drive wedges into orit lukon relations... even trick Lukon into marching to Giblot while the assassins and MT swing around to hit portion. Lots of options... lots of fun I hope!
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Actually tho, I thought he would have reinforcements from the Assassins. No one else knows about that request but Val and Aramon tho as far as I know.
Actually, I was planning for Assassin forces to arrive (and Minas Thalion forces too) since I've seen a couple of them walking about and there have been a few infiltrators skulking around. So I didn't know they were coming, I just presumed they were :D
But I guess I've just had 'surprise we brought extras' drilled into me from fighting Lukon back in the Alowca days :)
And yes, the Lukon army is going to walk up and destroy Giblot:
New Hostilities (6 hours, 24 minutes ago)
Lukon has just signed a new War declaration called "The Complete Destruction of Giblot" against the realm of Giblot.
It should be fun! I think it might be a little more difficult for me to defend against this one. Back in Alowca we had just one region with a tonne of militia to fend off Lukon/Oreo forces. Now there's a few regions, Lukon/Tilog/Assassin(?)/Thalion(?) forces to defend against.
But I guess being only a Marshal this time and not a General, it's not my place to worry about that sort of things, I just have to win the battles given to me this time :P
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haha it will be fun times for sure!
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It should be fun! I think it might be a little more difficult for me to defend against this one. Back in Alowca we had just one region with a tonne of militia to fend off Lukon/Oreo forces. Now there's a few regions, Lukon/Tilog/Assassin(?)/Thalion(?) forces to defend against.
Dont be too sure about the makeup of both sides.
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whaaat?
No one is ban on sight in Lukon. Thats something I have made sure of. Heck we have even offered Innocent a place to come aboard. Of course staying very long depends on actions...but...
Well, I embezzled 75% of all the gold in Oritolon then jumped ship to Atamara.... Giblot and Assassins seem to not know, or have forgotten what my other char did, so meh.
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Well, I embezzled 75% of all the gold in Oritolon then jumped ship to Atamara.... Giblot and Assassins seem to not know, or have forgotten what my other char did, so meh.
Oh, Aramon knows, he always knew. You think Aramon survived this long as Shadow Tyrant, with enemies like Innocent and Sedgewick, without having some connections and trusted allies? *waggles eyebrows*
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Some Duke needs to secede ;) or better yet, swear allegiance to someone else.
I agree. Some realms make the Dukes a better offer to secede perhaps.