| Summary: | Failure to abide by Magistrate Verdict, Round 3 |
| Violation: | Clause 2: Fair Play (Original Judgement) |
| World: | East Continent |
| Complainer: | George Charles Lichty (http://battlemaster.org/UserDetails.php?ID=28598) |
| About: | Caeranor Saegarus (http://battlemaster.org/UserDetails.php?ID=30651) |
I also propose to prohibit them from re-forming within the same realm at a size of more than one third of the number of characters in those realms for the period of one year.
From the previous case:
Emphasis is mine. Note that they are not prohibited from returning to EC. They are prohibited from reforming in the same realm in numbers more than one-third the total number of characters in the realm.
* He has not returned to the same realm. He was deported from Fontan, and is now in Perdan.
* His one character does not number more than one-third the total characters in the realm.
So, where's the violation? This is a spurious case that should be immediately rejected.
And here I thought the deportation was meant to be a punishment, especially for returning to Fontan the LAST TIME, and that circumventing it would be a wrong thing to do. My bad, thinking the Magistrates' verdicts mattered and should be followed at least until the "cooldown" period ended, rather than deleting just to recreate the same character to get around it.
If he had returned to Fontan with a new character, that would be violating the judgment. As written, however, there is nothing that forbids the player from playing in any other realm, on any island. The judgment simply was NOT violated here.
I can see your point; my question now is less about violating the verdict per se and at least as much as about the character-deletionand recreation as a means. Maybe there's nothing wrong with that; but it still grates on me, and so I brought it up for consideration.
When a character is deported, he spends several turns on a boat then has to sit in a realm for 2 weeks before he can go to a continent of his choice, not so bad if you want to play on the continent your sent on but if not... Its terrible.
Kinda dubious act to do but... The character has already been deported twice which if he had chosen to wait out the immigration coding limitations would mean that he was stuck on a continent he didn't want to play on for 6 WEEKS
You aren't helping your case.My only reason to make this "case" to the Magistrates was out of common courtesy and a sense of "civic duty" to keep them informed as to the goings on as per the punishments they have meted out.
More to the point, I will note that this is a character we have now had to deport twice. It is true that we don't ban them being in EC. But the character in question was deported, then deleted and re-made in Perdan immediately.
I have no beef with the character in Armonia, even though Armonia is a realm we've had concerns about in the past.
I am inclined to have concerns about the character in Perdan, however. Spontaneously deleting and then remaking your character to avoid Magistrate rulings does not seem okay. It's true we did not explicitly prohibit such a thing; but BM has never been a "letter of the law" community.
Alternatively, I can't help thinking, "Maybe I'd be okay with it if the character had a different name," in which case I wonder if maybe I'm not considering it very rationally. Or maybe we should be concerned about it, not as a question of thwarting the Magistrates, but as an abuse of game mechanics.
Meandering, I know; but, I would suggest the case is just a wee bit more complex.
I can see your point; my question now is less about violating the verdict per se and at least as much as about the character-deletionand recreation as a means. Maybe there's nothing wrong with that; but it still grates on me, and so I brought it up for consideration.This is my point and concern and virtually exactly what I said already. A character was deported from Fontan as punishment and immediately returned to Fontan as soon as he was able to as per the game mechanics. Now that Fontan is all but officially deceased, he deleted the character before the immigration "cooldown" was over and re-created the character with the same name on the East Continent to circumvent the mechanic.
When a character is deported, he spends several turns on a boat then has to sit in a realm for 2 weeks before he can go to a continent of his choice, not so bad if you want to play on the continent your sent on but if not... Its terrible.While true, immigration wait is not fun, the second time was entirely of his own doing. I can understand sympathy for the first deportation, but the second? Not really.
Kinda dubious act to do but... The character has already been deported twice which if he had chosen to wait out the immigration coding limitations would mean that he was stuck on a continent he didn't want to play on for 6 WEEKS
Welcome to the life of a infiltrator :)This is a very valid point. Though more skilled infiltrators are far less likely to attempt to circumvent wait periods for the simply reason that those very skills are expensive and hard earned! :)
Draco Tanos,1. My ire was not directed towards the Magistrates. Even though they have taken those positions as VOLUNTEERS and should expect some abuse (what relatively public position is abuse free? Be honest.), there was none directed at them. At all. Not a single insult. I didn't call them slobs, tyrants, et al that others seem hint at in various posts. On the contrary, as I stated, the entire purpose of this thread was to keep them informed that someone circumvented game mechanics and their punishment. I believe they should certainly be kept informed as to the after effects of their verdicts. If anything, I believe the Magistrates should have a little more enforcement power in the game.
You have received a warning for insulting other users and/or staff members. That you are unhappy with the Magistrate actions doesn't mean you can insult them. These are players giving their free time to make the game better for everyone. Some respect would be appropriate.
Regards,
The BattleMaster Forum Team.
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Yeah and you know what, I Am Not A !@#$ing Saxon OR a Clanner OR Any Other Bull!@#$.
The fact I was arbitrarily thrown out of Fontan simply for playing there LONG before the Saxon crap on Dwilight doesn't seem to matter. I've actually emialled Tom about this because I'm sick of it. I sent Caeranor back to Fontan after being deported because I don't accept being spontaneously !@#$ed over by the OOC Forum Committee, and have my own personal roleplay shat on. Malenard left Perdan for Fontan when Perdan was all but dead, and then he died there. Caeranor is his son and went to Fontan to find his father's legacy. Now he's come back to where he was raised.
The fact the last time I was deported out of spite the other week, when Fontan was already dead, and therefore all the made up charges about there being a clan totally irrelevant is nothing short of a joke. The ruling said people were deported for playing in Fontan, nothing about banning me from the continent or any realm.
So no, I won't suffer your OOC ruin my game experience tyranny any longer.
Joseph Lant
This is the letter that the defendant sent to the nobles in Perdan earlier - just to help with referencing. If we're still discussing the point about his supposed lack of respect for verdicts and the Magistrates themselves - well, it's there. While there's nothing in the judgements about not being allowed on EC, the guy calls the Magistrate system the "OOC Forum Committee" and has no respect for them or the two verdicts they've handed out. I would go so far as to say he's doing this because he sees the verdicts as "OOC ruin your game tyranny".
I should also note that having re-read the two verdicts again, the deal with time limits and numbers of players returning was never set down in stone. It's still only a proposal. Unless I'm missing something, the only references I see to it is Tom's original case that he brought to the Magistrates, and the people that quote the line. Nothing in the verdicts.
Ravier, I read that a little bit differently. I think he means that the people making accusations against him are the OOC Forum Committee.
We could ask him to clarify, of course.
Would there be a point in doing so?
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Hmm... Sooo, if I delete my KK character and re-create him, i will have again 8 hours per turn instead of 4-5...
/me has POWERGAMER glaze on his eyes...
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Completely off topic. In no way relevant.
well, it is kind of only semi off topic. Is it ok, to delete character, and bring it back as new one? It is prolly a bit spinoff this topic... but i guess thats something what should be also take account. If you delete your char, you get riddoff bans, fines etc. It is IMHO abuse of the game mechanism.I don't know if I would say its ok because of this but they also lose all there honor and prestige so its not without a price.
...You saw the part where it said the comment was from jaune, right?
well, it is kind of only semi off topic. Is it ok, to delete character, and bring it back as new one? It is prolly a bit spinoff this topic... but i guess thats something what should be also take account. If you delete your char, you get riddoff bans, fines etc. It is IMHO abuse of the game mechanism.