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BattleMaster => Locals => Far East Island => Topic started by: Lefanis on March 27, 2011, 05:12:40 PM
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Its BattleMaster! Why do we have realms threatening others with war if they get into war?! ???
Case in point is Cathay, which has declared that it will attack either Arcaea or Greater Aenilia if either one goes to war with the other. If Cathay nobles wants to get bored training in their capital, so be it, but dont keep other realms from going to war.
I say Arcaea and Greater Aenilia should group together and destroy Cathay, and let us in Arcachon battle those Ohnarians alone. ;D
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Its BattleMaster! Why do we have realms threatening others with war if they get into war?! ???
Case in point is Cathay, which has declared that it will attack either Arcaea or Greater Aenilia if either one goes to war with the other. If Cathay nobles wants to get bored training in their capital, so be it, but dont keep other realms from going to war.
I say Arcaea and Greater Aenilia should group together and destroy Cathay, and let us in Arcachon battle those Ohnarians alone. ;D
Cathay and Kindara. Kindara's actually worse, I think, as at least Cathay was doing it between two allies, while Kindara does it for any realms.
And, yeah, you're not getting out of this war that easily ;)
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If GA is scared of a realm with a mere 19 nobles and no proven recent combat ability, that is there own issue. If Arcachon wanted peace, they probably should have listened to the offers early. I believe OW is dropping out of the war anyway, since there is likely to be a change in who rules the realm.
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I remember when Cathay was a powerful realm. You guys remember that?
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I believe OW is dropping out of the war anyway, since there is likely to be a change in who rules the realm.
Could go either way. Joseph was in support of the war from the beginning. Galiard was favoring dropping out, considering OW's obligations in the war to be done. Not sure which way Joseph will go with it.
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Did the treaty between Jenred and Galiard say anything as to what would happen if Arcaea failed to take over Enlod as planned?
The discussion in Ohnar West is somewhat "ok, we helped, and they didn't take it over... now what?"
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What is it with people in OW? The treaty is ON THE WIKI. Read it.
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I don't understand why people wound't want to go to war. This game is meant to kill each other off even amongst yourselves with rebellions.
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Simple. Sometimes you know you will lose. It is hard to joyfully go to war knowing that something you may have spent considerable time on will be destroyed or hurt. While this is just a game and people shouldn't be that attached, working on a realm for multiple years will do that :)
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Could go either way. Joseph was in support of the war from the beginning. Galiard was favoring dropping out, considering OW's obligations in the war to be done. Not sure which way Joseph will go with it.
Surely Joseph has better things to do, better to watch Arcaea struggle to do it alone. Besides, its not like Ohnar can have much fun on the Isle, thanks to that silly Order of the Hawk agreement... ;D
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Certainly possible, though with winter hitting it matters little. You guys should get some sort of break, if only cause it will take so damn long to travel anywhere. Not sure why the Order of the Hawk would stop them having fun though, still can loot and steal the food. Just no deliberate burning of it.
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No rape and mass murder of the peasants, either, although those seem to be a pretty big no-no in general anyway.
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Surely Joseph has better things to do, better to watch Arcaea struggle to do it alone. Besides, its not like Ohnar can have much fun on the Isle, thanks to that silly Order of the Hawk agreement... ;D
Now that Galiard is gone, along with his silly ideas of "we've done enough to help Arcaea", I'm hoping to press for continued, all-out involvement in Arcachon.
Besides, if we weren't fighting against Arcachon, what else would we be doing? I've had enough of sitting around in OW watching the grass grow.
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Did you mean to say "No"? :P
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I've moved a good chunk of the discussion about the Wiki as a in game source to this topic
http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,313.0.html
Hopefully that will get his topic back on track.
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With luck there can be a whole host of IC justified feuds started out of this.
I'm just gald to see OW up and mobile, hell, the island up and mobile. I suspect there would be more Island activity if the Arcachonians were distributed and we still have to get GA over the hump.
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With luck there can be a whole host of IC justified feuds started out of this.
I'm just gald to see OW up and mobile, hell, the island up and mobile. I suspect there would be more Island activity if the Arcachonians were distributed and we still have to get GA over the hump.
Oh, indeed. Though you stubborn fools won't just roll over and let Enlod be colonized, so it'll take a couple of months before I can start any other wars :P
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But Enlod is right there! We've been waiting for Arcea to take it over already. But maybe you don't have a "penetration strategy" like the one proposed by Lans.
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But Enlod is right there! We've been waiting for Arcea to take it over already. But maybe you don't have a "penetration strategy" like the one proposed by Lans.
You guys burned up the sympathy to Arcaea, so we can't. We can't colonize, so we have to take it the long, hard way by grabbing a line of regions up to the city. In other words, it'll be a couple of months.
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When you say "you guys" do you mean OW or Arcachon? Heehee.
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When you say "you guys" do you mean OW or Arcachon? Heehee.
Both. I'm quite aware OW had plenty of people actively sabotaging the war effort.
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There was one guy in our army who never followed orders but I thought he was a spy of yours. :-P
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Oh, indeed. Though you stubborn fools won't just roll over and let Enlod be colonized, so it'll take a couple of months before I can start any other wars :P
A lot of months 8)
I am now awaiting the outcomes of the scheming of Ryeena and DeRouen. Things should get spicy in Arcachon now that it seems Farnese wont be Legate, and Ortesia has competition for the Judgeship.
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A lot of months 8)
I am now awaiting the outcomes of the scheming of Ryeena and DeRouen. Things should get spicy in Arcachon now that it seems Farnese wont be Legate, and Ortesia has competition for the Judgeship.
Yes, the oh-so-secret scheming with Aenilia. Here's me hoping that bites Aenilia in the ass as hard as I think it will.
Now, if I could just suborn one Priest of Adghar to get the sympathy in Enlod up just enough for us to start a CTO, this war would be over...
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Now, if I could just suborn one Priest of Adghar to get the sympathy in Enlod up just enough for us to start a CTO, this war would be over...
Psst, psst. ;)
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There was one guy in our army who never followed orders but I thought he was a spy of yours. :-P
I just assumed almost everyone in OW is spying for someone else. Very few ways to explain such a dysfunctional realm otherwise. But a good spy would never bring attention to themselves with such actions. After all if you want to spy, you want to get into a position of power so you have access to all the juicy stuff.
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Yes, the oh-so-secret scheming with Aenilia. Here's me hoping that bites Aenilia in the ass as hard as I think it will.
Nope, I speak of internal scheming. There is the Vanimedle/ Godwin group, the Lawson/DeRouen group, and then there's us :)
Now, if I could just suborn one Priest of Adghar to get the sympathy in Enlod up just enough for us to start a CTO, this war would be over...
Would be difficult.
Takes a quick look at priest numbers
Unless you convince Ryeena herself, of course :D
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Is that priest total, or just priest that are also members of Arcachon. It is not necessary for the priest to be a member of that realm :)
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Wait? What? Hrmph.
Ciann doesn't even get a scheming group? You bat 2 for 2 in deposing and still don't get respect? *sighs*
Aenelian schemes are way too banal, the real schemes have to be massively too complex and involve C'thonia and Zonasa and then all fall apart when Cathay doesn't answer anyone's letters.
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Until Aenelia grows a pair, or realises the chances of Cathay effectively countering anything it pretty slim, all they will do is plan, gather support and get no where. Cathay's position is pretty clear at this stage, so unless they have a massive change of heart, or a new ruler, it is unlikely that Aenelia is going to find a loop hole to attack Arcaea. But then no risk no gain :) Still that round of investments by the ruler of Aenelia in Arcachon certainly helped get the economy back on it feet, which means MORE GOLD TO LOOT
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Very few ways to explain such a dysfunctional realm otherwise.
OW is by far the weirdest realm I have ever been in. I'ts got the weirdest mix of apathy, incompetence, arrogance, and ignorance it is possible to assemble in one place. My character has gone from not caring, to actively trying to destroy it, to ruling it and desperately trying to keep it alive, and back to really not caring much at all. Now, while you might think that would lead to an interesting story, it hasn't. It has been my least fun realm of all time.
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Letter from Joseph von Genf (4 days, 17 hours ago)
Iksandros,
I do not know you, and I do not know a reason why you should enjoy my protection.
Good luck.
Joseph von Genf
Prime Minister of Ohnar West
Letter from Joseph von Genf (2 days, 1 hour ago)
Who are you?
What are you here for?
I will not let you squander our diplomatic status like this. I will not protect you. Should such unpleasantness happen again, I will see to it that you are banned and deported.
Joseph von Genf
Prime Minister of Ohnar West
Ha, your ruler is pretty not-diplomatic. Though I think what he's referring to was that time Iksandros messed up a Cthonian RC. ???
Oh well. But is there any diplomatic status? I mean, what the heck is Thain gonna do? Stamp his feet angrily while demanding his head?
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I don't know. You'd have to ask Joseph. So far as I know, just about anyone in OW would tell Thain to go take a flying leap before they'd tell him the time of day.
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Wait? What? Hrmph.
Ciann doesn't even get a scheming group? You bat 2 for 2 in deposing and still don't get respect? *sighs*
Well, Ciann is rather fluid :P You can never tell which side shes on.
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If Ciann is fluid, then Ortisia is gaseous.
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Ohnar West without a General. <drama> Dun-dun-dun-dunn! </drama>
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If Ciann is fluid, then Ortisia is gaseous.
If by gaseous, you mean full of hot air, then I agree.
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If by gaseous, you mean full of hot air, then I agree.
You don't even play in the Far East!
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You don't even play in the Far East...
anymore.
because you were deproted.
by Ortisia.
Mwahahahahahahhahahaha!!!
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Well Deported and Emigrated. Nerukou had several characters on FEI who have all seemingly left in the last week or so.
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I'm not sure Ciann really understands what side she's on anymore. At this point she's got schemes running which involve every realm except Kindara, some of which are schemes build to counter earlier schemes which may not have worked out quite how she thought they would.
Without Dormondt to control her she is just tailspinning which is really quite amusing to watch. I'm tempted to drop her in Cathay after the fall and just watch her go BOOM, but I can't come up with a solid in game reason why she would go there. Damn shame because I think her particular form of religious madness could perk the place up a bit.
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You don't even play in the Far East...
anymore.
because you were deproted.
by Ortisia.
Mwahahahahahahhahahaha!!!
You are mistaken. I have never had one of my characters deported. As De-Legro mentioned, I emigrated all three of them from the Far East just a few days ago.
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You are mistaken. I have never had one of my characters deported. As De-Legro mentioned, I emigrated all three of them from the Far East just a few days ago.
Oh, come on! Let me pretend to be e-vil!
:-P
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Ruler Inactivity Warning (10 hours, 10 minutes ago)
Ryeena Burson, Guardian of Arcachon, Countess of Rapael has been inactive for 5 days now. Unless she returns, she will be removed from her position tomorrow and a referendum started to elect her successor.
Grrrr... Great.
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Well, if this rebellion succeeds the most annoying of the peacekeepers should be out of the way...
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I haven't heard anything about a rebellion in Cathay . . .
. . . if you're referring to the rebellion in Kindara, though, curious to see how that plays out and affects things. Don't know that it's actually all that good for conflict, though, the reason it succeeded was due to most of Kindara's army having already marched off to go to war (or so I hear).
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Kindara was indeed the most annoying. James at least recognizes that war is indeed a valid response to treaty breaking. Ziode didn't.
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Ziode was getting involved in the current conflict, though, which gave me hope . . . Cathay just makes me sad, though. I'm not on the ruler channel, but the impression I've gotten is that they've done a bunch to stop a number of possible conflicts.
Though Kindara stopping us from killing C'thonia was annoying, but I can't blame them, because that's a balance of power issue and simple self-interest rather than killing conflict out of hand. Not that we had enough nobles to control C'thonia's lands, anyways.
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Yes, Ziode was getting involved because "violence is never the answer". Made me angry every time I saw his letters.
Cathay didn't want a war where they'd have to choose between their alliance with Arcaea and their alliance with Aenilia, and neither of those two were willing to push Cathay toward the other until Xarnelf threw up his hands and did it.
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Interesting. The things one misses without the full picture. . . .
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Oh, I know. It makes such a difference having more information. Even I don't get the full picture, but I know that a lot of the stuff that goes on with FEI politics makes no sense from the outside.
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Looks like things are turning out more or less evenly stacked for both sides. Should be fun ;D
Still waiting for Ohnar retaliation to our northern foray ;)
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Looks like things are turning out more or less evenly stacked for both sides. Should be fun ;D
Still waiting for Ohnar retaliation to our northern foray ;)
Heehee. There won't be. With Taylin founding a new army to fight in the south, the army assigned to the north is left with only 3 knights. And as of now, it is super incompetent.
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Heehee. There won't be. With Taylin founding a new army to fight in the south, the army assigned to the north is left with only 3 knights. And as of now, it is super incompetent.
Yeah, I wonder why. Maybe because they've left the blatant Arcachonian sympathizer as the Marshal. So bloody tired of incompetent allies...
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Wait...the Arcachonian sympathiser was put in charge of the army tasked with defending against an Arcachonian attack? :o
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To be fair, sympathizer or not, the northern army would appear to be completely under resourced to defend against aggression from the Dark Isle.
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That and, to be honest, Arcachon fights a very face-paced war with high stakes and Ohnar West is not a nation that likes to gamble so there's really no fear of chaotic attacks.
Ciann is insane by any modern definition but half of her ideas come from essentially nowhere ("There is a raven on that pole, we are meant to invade this land"), which actually makes her rather unpredictable, though I suspect it's going to wear thin on the Holy Legate really quick.
Cathay can't defend itself so it's just worried about picking the wrong side. It hasn't fought a competent war in ages and if Ohnar West capitulates it would find itself absolutely screwed.
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Ohnar West isn't even close to capitulating. One city sacked does not a war end, as you should know full well. Honestly, I think attacking OW instead of Arcaea was a big mistake. You just might have been able to talk them into a peace treaty if someone besides Joseph got elected, but the nasty looting and public torture and such is not going to help Arcachon's cause in the slightest, and it's giving all kinds of fuel to the anti-Arcachon camp.
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Ciann's motivations don't make a whole lot of sense from the point of view of a ruler, but she's not thinking like a ruler so much as a straight up religious zealot. She's decided that if Arcachon is going to be destroyed she's going to destroy as much of Ohnar West as she possibly can first.
Really, without Dormondt around to tell her right from wrong she's just a rabid dog, but she's got one of the larger networks of spies and traitors around which is really all that keeps her alive. I'm well aware OW probably won't capitulate, but Ciann isn't.
Personally, I don't get the squeemishness about torture, as torture was common troughout the middle and dark ages and everyone should be using it pretty much all the time. Especially theocracies, as conversion and cleansing via torture was understood as perfectly sensible and logical.
Mind you Ciann's goal of killing Tilted Brim has nothing to do with Xarnelf at all and everything to do with an internal religious purge she's got on her mind.
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The Order of the Hawk didn't clue you in that everyone was moving in the direction of at least a modicum of chivalry? And, heck, the game even tells you that torture is the most vile thing you can do to another noble. Torture of commoners was certainly a regular occurrence, but nobles are another matter. Not to mention that Jenred has it as a hot-button ever since he was tortured by Keffer, and a couple of other Rulers are the same.
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Chivalry and torture are totally seperate concepts in many areas. The odd dicotomy is that it was considered vicious and vile and that was why it was very important to have someone else do it, however, torture for the purpose of religious purification has a long history in the chivilratic tradition, nobody said boo when the King of France tortured every Knight Templar he could get his hands on, and Machiavelli considered it a common tool in the ruler's toolbox even though he himself was tortured at length.
I fully realize that may not be the best thing for the Arcachon power-wise, but it tells a much better story and feels much more authentic. Torture was an important part of the middle ages and is integrally tied to religion (arguably we wouldn't have modern catholicism and protestantism without it) so I feel it's on solid ground to say "There are no Atheists," as well as "There are times when someone needs to be tortured for their own (religious) good."
What I know as a player and what Ciann knows are leagues different, I'm a modern human who sees that certain things are inconsistent, while she is a half-literate dark ages religious zealot. I try not to let my modern sensibilities bleed into that mindframe unless it's for pure advancement of story or to stop her from simply ruining someone else's story without advancing it, but I'm not about to grant her a faith that is either internally consistent or based on logical suppositions which can be built from basic assumptions. Sometimes it may make her extra-ignorant but I'd rather that then the opposite.
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Hey, I'm enjoying the RP of it. It's going to make that particular war much more satisfying to fight. Just filling in how much of the continent feels.
(grins) In a way, you could say Ciann's the more merciful one. Jenred'll just kill you and let your god sort you out. Ciann at least tries to save you first!
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If you guys are going to pick on Ziode, then at least let him defend himself... :P
Nah. It was fun in Kindara. Everyone thought Ziode wanted peace, but really, Ziode wanted Kindara to have influence, and when your realm is made of nobles from 5 different realms, and all of those nobles are still almost blindly loyal to their old realms, you can't really do much except politically. I think Ziode worked well with what he had. Now if only Alpha hadn't handed Kindara over to that large group of Beluaterrans who immigrated there, I'd be happier.
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And I'd take that more seriously if you hadn't stated, OOC, to the Rulers, that you were intentionally playing Ziode in such a way to prevent wars.
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If you guys are going to pick on Ziode, then at least let him defend himself... :P
Nah. It was fun in Kindara. Everyone thought Ziode wanted peace, but really, Ziode wanted Kindara to have influence, and when your realm is made of nobles from 5 different realms, and all of those nobles are still almost blindly loyal to their old realms, you can't really do much except politically. I think Ziode worked well with what he had. Now if only Alpha hadn't handed Kindara over to that large group of Beluaterrans who immigrated there, I'd be happier.
If you couldn't unite your nobles, what real chance did you have of establishing any real influence? Very difficult to convince the rest of a continent to take your political maneuvererings seriously when they know you are working from a fractured support base. It might give them pause, but then they will just start sowing discontent until you end up having to focus on the home front.
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How much do you even know about Ziode? He's older than most of the Far East's nobility except Brian, Alpha, and a few others. His mentor was a viking and he's actually an elder of the ~V~ Hall of Blood and Battle guild (and will be when he finally rejoins and gets the title back... intercontinental trips ruin guild status.). :P
He likes peace, yes, but his peace playing is because of the fragmented support base. Plus, Kindara's kinda wedged into a corner of the world, like Arcachon with a land route. And considering the nobles, there are only so many places to go, like he was riding a bicycle without some of the bolts holding it all together... You can't really go far.
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I haven't heard anything about a rebellion in Cathay . . .
. . . if you're referring to the rebellion in Kindara, though, curious to see how that plays out and affects things. Don't know that it's actually all that good for conflict, though, the reason it succeeded was due to most of Kindara's army having already marched off to go to war (or so I hear).
It would have succeeded either way. There were about 8 or 9 certain rebels maybe a few more. I also had about 1400, before distributing 800, gold on hand to finance it. I hadn't actually planned on rebelling until about 2 days before it happened. Alpha was travelling to GA, and after some convincing by Devan rerouted back to the capital. Once there I disbanded my militia. Recruited 1200CS of r4 archers. Devan had about as much in heavy infantry. All nobles in the capital were rebels.
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If you guys are going to pick on Ziode, then at least let him defend himself... :P
Nah. It was fun in Kindara. Everyone thought Ziode wanted peace, but really, Ziode wanted Kindara to have influence, and when your realm is made of nobles from 5 different realms, and all of those nobles are still almost blindly loyal to their old realms, you can't really do much except politically. I think Ziode worked well with what he had. Now if only Alpha hadn't handed Kindara over to that large group of Beluaterrans who immigrated there, I'd be happier.
Ziode did relatively well when the nature of Kindara was considered. I'm kind of surprised it held together for as long as it did. I regret that the war had to be Arcaea v GA. About any other, and Alpha would be all to happy to go to war. I was hoping the next conflict would be one that would be easier to enter.
To be honest, I didn't expect Tissaphernes to be elected. I was expecting Lazarath, or perhaps Devan to win. At first, Alpha tried to get Galdor to run. I was fairly certain Alpha couldn't win, and I don't really have the time to actively rule. Near the end, I was somewhat concerned that Alpha was going to be protested out over removing Lazarath as marshal.
Devan would have certainly been the most interesting to win, given the advocation for war with practically everyone. Alpha would have probably supported him, if not for the support he voiced for Zonasa. Alpha hates Zonasa.
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Arcachon has been stuck in a corner forever and bickers with itself constantly, but manages to find itself at war pretty much permenantly.
Then again, not so many long lived leaders.
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That's why Ziode stepped down. He knew how the rebellion would end. The moment the first militia was disbanded Ziode knew there was a rebellion. That was maybe a good several hours to a day before it started though, and you might be surprised to know Ziode still has a voice there. Maybe there were a bunch of rebels, but Ziode kept the loyalists safe. It's just a matter of whether or not he'll return. Probably not. :P I planned, plotted, and built a realm. I'm happy Ziode kept it together, but no one was going to listen to him if he did have information. What was he going to say to Kindara? You're all a bunch of blindly loyal buffoons who need to realize that you are no longer a part of your old realms? :P The rebellion's in the past as far as I'm concerned, though Ziode might just take a crack at Devan if he gets the chance. I hope it at least sparked some good RP.
Rebellion aside, I just don't think Ziode's a peace keeper. He's pro peace, but it's just circumstances made him more active in that department than others.
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Ziode did relatively well when the nature of Kindara was considered. I'm kind of surprised it held together for as long as it did. I regret that the war had to be Arcaea v GA. About any other, and Alpha would be all to happy to go to war. I was hoping the next conflict would be one that would be easier to enter.
That pretty much sums up Kindara's problem ^^;
So many people are still loyal to their old realms, and hold the same grudges as their old realms, and on top of that, they're all different realms, which leads to us doing a whole lot of nothing. Well, Min has her (very strong, over-voiced) opinions on what that means/why that is, but as a player I just don't see how it's actually fun to play that way? We're bored and losing nobles, we get a perfectly legitimate RP reason to go to war, half the people don't want to mess with their old friends, we end up doing nothing, and then go back to saying we're bored again. And we wonder why? ~sigh~ It's hard on the characters who were "born" in Kindara. All we see are bunch of loyalists who should just go home if their only function is to be a roadblock to Kindara's Future Greatness™
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Still waiting for Ohnar retaliation to our northern foray ;)
That would require someone in Ohnar West to actually care about Arcachon.
And also for the marshal in charge of Ohnar West's main army to care more about defending Ohnar West than attacking Greater Aenilia. Which she doesn't. Too bad no one in Ohnar West has figured that out yet....
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That would require someone in Ohnar West to actually care about Arcachon.
And also for the marshal in charge of Ohnar West's main army to care more about defending Ohnar West than attacking Greater Aenilia. Which she doesn't. Too bad no one in Ohnar West has figured that out yet....
Actually, the marshal of the Keeper's Legion did figure it out... but since Duchess Taylin stole the best of the Keeper's Legion, she's just giving up and waiting until Sasrhas declares itself independent from Ohnar West.
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Besides, it is probably Adghar's will that Ohnar West loses it's northern regions to Arcachon.
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What? the purpose of this war is merely to capture Sundar, the single most awesome character in the entire FEI.
What else matters beyond having one such as he to complain about the food and drink? Only he will understand Ciann's terrible, terrible fear of Maos.
I can think of no IC way to ever arrange for that marriage but by god if I ever do it is happening. "Behold the Phantom Queen comes upon your lands to spread terror...and look for new shoes...no, no, they are for her husband. He says leather won't do...No, I DON'T KNOW! Burn the City, Spare the Lace Shops!"
Greatest crusade ever *wipes a tear*. Just need to get annexed by Arcaea and the dream has a chance of coming to pass.
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Feel free to offer a surrender at any time ;)
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she's just giving up and waiting until Sasrhas declares itself independent from Ohnar West.
Woohoo!