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BattleMaster => Development => Topic started by: vonGenf on July 30, 2012, 06:14:12 PM
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Looks amazing! :D
Will the values currently at zero only accumulate from now on, or will they eventually use currently registered data to evaluate their current value?
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Everything in there is very much a work-in-progress. So the answer is: I don't yet know.
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Who has near 100% in any areas? :)
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well... h/p you can look up in island char list... there's that guy with 1k+ honor in bt...
not sure about the ruler/duke/lord/knight bit.... is that like.. how many days they've been in that position? (relative)
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Haha, you go look up the island char list. I'll wait for you. :P
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My character Brance has the highest prestige on Dwilight, so he has the 100 points for that. (Thanks, Peri!)
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not sure about the ruler/duke/lord/knight bit.... is that like.. how many days they've been in that position? (relative)
No, it's more sophisticated than that. More details and explanations are coming soon.
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80% Duke!
In the sleepiest realm on the map :(
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Haha, maybe Dukedom fame is awarded for being most boring and lacklustre.
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well i can say both my characters on bt have 70 odd prestige ratings.
one of them (yuri, p/d lord) has...
reputation 25
p 77
h 49
notoriety/deeds/skill - blank
legacy 24
ruler/duke - blank
lord 63
knight 31
everything else blank.
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the w/h knight
rep 24
p 72
h 49
legacy 10
knight 38
rest blank.
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the knight has bigger estate than the lord. so perhaps it's to do with number of peasants under his estate? (he's definitely not been on island longer than the lord... realm time would be same, given realm flip at the same time)
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and funny enough.. both of them have high prestige. the priest got some of the prestige from investing loads XD
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well i can say both my characters on bt have 70 odd prestige ratings.
one of them (yuri, p/d lord) has...
reputation 25
p 77
h 49
notoriety/deeds/skill - blank
legacy 24
ruler/duke - blank
lord 63
knight 31
everything else blank.
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the w/h knight
rep 24
p 72
h 49
legacy 10
knight 38
rest blank.
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the knight has bigger estate than the lord. so perhaps it's to do with number of peasants under his estate? (he's definitely not been on island longer than the lord... realm time would be same, given realm flip at the same time)
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and funny enough.. both of them have high prestige. the priest got some of the prestige from investing loads XD
Apparently those values are relative to other players. The no.1 will get 100 and the lowest will get 0. Everyone else somewhere between 0 and 100.
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Apparently those values are relative to other players. The no.1 will get 100 and the lowest will get 0. Everyone else somewhere between 0 and 100.
This is correct. The new "Your fame" system is relative. My character on Dwilight with 66 prestige has 100 pts for Prestige, meaning he has the highest on the island.
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i know that bit... which explains the high number for h/p (h is completely skewed by that 1 guy with 1k+ h)
i'm guessing some of the stuff will be blank until battles are fought, etc, because the game didn't store those numbers..
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Apparently those values are relative to other players. The no.1 will get 100 and the lowest will get 0. Everyone else somewhere between 0 and 100.
Not quite. The best will get 100, yes. But you only get 0 if you really have nothing. Your value is relative to the best (but not linear), so if you have any value at all, you'll almost always have more than 0, unless you have something like 0.3 and it gets rounded down.
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i'm guessing some of the stuff will be blank until battles are fought, etc, because the game didn't store those numbers..
That, and because huge parts of the system aren't implemented at all, yet. :-)
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My Marshal has no points for combat? :-|
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My Marshal has no points for combat? :-|
That, and because huge parts of the system aren't implemented at all, yet. :-)
Be patient.
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Hell yeah, 68 Knight. Paul will totally skate by on a D.
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Unfortunately my char fails.
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What are you all looking at?? I don't see anything on my Dwilight character.
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Look in Information.
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R: 11
--P: 41
--H: 14
L: 12
--R: 40
--D: 9
Interesting way to view the relative strength of each realm/duchy, right? Is it safe to say that 91% of dukes are better off than I, and 60% of rulers?
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My character Brance has the highest prestige on Dwilight, so he has the 100 points for that. (Thanks, Peri!)
You're welcome. but remember that it comes only from items, busto still beats you if he was still around!
and by the way can we see a screenshot of this feature? I can't really understand what it is even if it sounds cool, and I have no active chars now..
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and by the way can we see a screenshot of this feature? I can't really understand what it is even if it sounds cool, and I have no active chars now..
Done against my better Judgment. You should come back! :P
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Done against my better Judgment. You should come back! :P
ok now i'm dying out of curiosity to see how it looks like on my paused chars :-\
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Reputation
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Prestige
Honour
Notoriety - hide
Outcast -
Wanted -
Reaver -
Rebel -
Deeds - hide
Holy Man -
Guildmaster -
Palace Builder -
Skills -
Legacy
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Rulership -
Dukedom -
Lordship -
Knighthood
Combat - hide
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Command -
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Needs discussion. Would wealth depend on current gold+bonds on hand? On what basis the game would rate Holy Man and Guildmaster fame?
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the guildmaster would probably be related to how big your guild/soc is?
holy man probably similar but for religion?.. though i could see amount converted having an impact.
as for wealth..
would someone with little income and even less expenditure, amassing a sizable sum be counted as more wealthy than someone with huge income (more than the total of the 1st someone) but keeps blowing it all?
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Needs discussion.
No, it doesn't. I will decide what gets measured and how. There are many features where I am looking for input and suggestions from the community. This is not, at least at this time, one of them.
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Just like old fame, it will be something for players to explore and experiment with. :)
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the guildmaster would probably be related to how big your guild/soc is?
holy man probably similar but for religion?.. though i could see amount converted having an impact.
as for wealth..
would someone with little income and even less expenditure, amassing a sizable sum be counted as more wealthy than someone with huge income (more than the total of the 1st someone) but keeps blowing it all?
I'd figure later on Tom could add more, like, who spends the most gold, who hoards the most, who fields the biggest armies, who's assassinated/wounded the most people in battle, who's been wounded the most, and so forth. :-D
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Yes, I already have a list on paper, and only parts of it are put into the game so far.
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Yes, I already have a list on paper, and only parts of it are put into the game so far.
Keep up the kickass work, Tom. This is a great game you've got here, I'm glad to be able to donate to support an indie developer <3
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Keep up the kickass work, Tom. This is a great game you've got here, I'm glad to be able to donate to support an indie developer <3
Hobby-, actually. While the donations are welcome, especially now where I'm self-employed, indie suggests a (small) busines intention, and BM would have to make about 10 times as much money to even begin considering that option.
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:-P I meant indie as in independently-run, of course. I would hope you would make more money with BM, in time. Its a great game but it has so much untapped potential still!
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:-P I meant indie as in independently-run, of course. I would hope you would make more money with BM, in time. Its a great game but it has so much untapped potential still!
I'm trying to tap it. Working on an announcement there.
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I have 100 knighthood on Dwilight
- But then again I was an awesome Knight of Outer Giask,
- Served 2 lords for a duration of nearly 6 months as a Steward.
- Bought and sold nearly a total of 9,000 bushels of food.
- Was elected High Justice while being a knight.
- Only Courtier of the realm.
so im guessing one or some of those factors have to do with it.
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97 dukedom, 58 rulership on Dwilight.
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I have 100 knighthood on Dwilight...But then again I was an awesome Knight of Outer Giask
Dd you score 100 for "Modesty", too? :P
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Nah I got a 0.. I dunno whats up with that ;)
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What's yous talking about? I've a 100 modesty right here.
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No, no, Foundation. The "m" there stands for "millimeters", not "modesty".
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Or madness.
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You're welcome. but remember that it comes only from items, busto still beats you if he was still around!
and by the way can we see a screenshot of this feature? I can't really understand what it is even if it sounds cool, and I have no active chars now..
I guess I should be giving thanks to you Peri, look, Ingi is Grandmaster now! =)
(http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/84/bmfame.png/)
Don't know how to attach an image so here is the URL: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/84/bmfame.png/
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You rich hoarder you.
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i like the mouseover explanations.
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eh... palace builders? i don't see that section (guild/religion) anymore for some reason
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Could there be fame for being a general? Depends on the no.of Marshals under you and total no.of nobles in the army?
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i like the mouseover explanations.
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eh... palace builders? i don't see that section (guild/religion) anymore for some reason
You don't see sections where you don't have at least 1 point. It's a bit like the hidden fame points in the old system.
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odd. the character is head of a small and pretty inactive religion... that has a fair bit of peasant followers with just a temple and a bunch of shrines. and the head of a secret soc.
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Many items only "start counting" once I implement them. You can have built 20 palaces in your time, for example, but the "Palace Builder" points will be at zero until you build a new one now, simply because the game doesn't keep track of which character built a palace or not.
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It's a bit like the hidden fame points in the old system.
So, is the old system a goner? :(
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Many items only "start counting" once I implement them. You can have built 20 palaces in your time, for example, but the "Palace Builder" points will be at zero until you build a new one now, simply because the game doesn't keep track of which character built a palace or not.
i can get that bit.. but what about the guild/religion part? as head of religion/guild/secret soc... won't existing structure be representative as to the size of your faith/soc/guild.... ie.. doesn't matter who built the stuff... you as head gets credit for it?
obviously other people who build/preach stuff later will get credit too
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You rich hoarder you.
That Foundation is called the Grandmaster Pot! hehehe
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Not quite, yet. It will be rolled into the new system, once that reaches the family level.
The problem is that the old fame system did record some things, like palaces build, but not which characters did it. So I may be able to move some of that into the new system on the family level, but not on the character level.
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Many items only "start counting" once I implement them. You can have built 20 palaces in your time, for example, but the "Palace Builder" points will be at zero until you build a new one now, simply because the game doesn't keep track of which character built a palace or not.
So what of Guildmaster/Holy man part?
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Now that it's been active (with a reduced feature-set until now) for a while, can I get some more feedback, please? I'm thinking about adding the other things I have in my notes...
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I don't think the new system will work very well with the old system.
I think it works much like a ranking system. I prefer something that accumulates over time like Honour and Prestige but that is just me. I was expecting more like a pie graph which has some indicators like honourable, notoriety and something else to show people how your character acts. Maybe I am just misunderstanding what this 'your fame' thing is supposed to do. :o
Showing how big your estate is compare to others do not really matter in my opinion. I think it would show things better if you actually make it look like a ranking system like 'Top Families' rather than percentages.
What does the fame thing supposed to do again?
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I would be hoping that it makes it not take 2-3 years to get to the point that you can have 4 Nobles at once.
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I finally looked at Allison's fame. 100 oratory and 100 wanted... about what I expected
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I finally looked at Allison's fame. 100 oratory and 100 wanted... about what I expected
If there ever was a good reason to crank it up all the way to 11.......
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Are the values for skill the actual skill levels? Or are these the relative ratings? The problem with relative ratings for skills is that so long as one person has a very high skill level, then the displayed value pretty much indicates your actual skill level, doesn't it? So why go to the academy to check your skill levels when all you need to do iis open the new fame page?
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Are the values for skill the actual skill levels? Or are these the relative ratings? The problem with relative ratings for skills is that so long as one person has a very high skill level, then the displayed value pretty much indicates your actual skill level, doesn't it? So why go to the academy to check your skill levels when all you need to do iis open the new fame page?
What we need is a way to weight it, so that if there are 2 people with 100% skill, and 150 people with 30% skill (with a smattering above and below), having 30% skill puts you at 50% on the fame scale.
My statistics knowledge is pretty sketchy, but I'm reasonably sure there's a good way to do this ;D
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That's a good point. We need to address it. One thing right now is that the scale is not linear, so it's not as simple as that, but the correlation is sufficiently trivial to calculate. Provided you are reasonably sure that the top skilled character is at 100% or close to it.
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What we need is a way to weight it, so that if there are 2 people with 100% skill, and 150 people with 30% skill (with a smattering above and below), having 30% skill puts you at 50% on the fame scale.
My statistics knowledge is pretty sketchy, but I'm reasonably sure there's a good way to do this ;D
Oh, I assumed it was based on percentiles, and not on the skill values themselves?
i.e. if there are two people with 100% skill, you have 31% skill and 97 people have below 30%, then your skill fame is 97. There is no way to deduce your skill from that, unless you know the distribution; you only know roughly where you fit compared to the rest.
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i don't believe it's the actual skill points...
my priest/diplo lord on bt has 96 trading... which can't be his skill points.. oratory at 99
... adventuring 6? i don't think he was an advy ever...
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If it's not a representation of your actual skill, there should be a note on the page explaining it. It is easy to assume that it is. Iknow a couple people that already remarked that it was. With both being ranked on a 100% scale, the correlation from one to the other is a natural thing to do.
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i thought it's been clear (at least in the forum) it's a relative thing
it even says so in the page
"All the values below are measures against the best on this island. "
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If it's not a representation of your actual skill, there should be a note on the page explaining it.
Agreed. Help me fill out this:
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Help:Fame
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Oh, I assumed it was based on percentiles, and not on the skill values themselves?
i.e. if there are two people with 100% skill, you have 31% skill and 97 people have below 30%, then your skill fame is 97. There is no way to deduce your skill from that, unless you know the distribution; you only know roughly where you fit compared to the rest.
This is how it should be done, percentiles are the way to go.