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Title: Battlemaster Wiki Team Proposal
Post by: House Talratheon on August 04, 2012, 01:52:39 PM

I had an idea, now hear me out here I can do the wiki easily but as you may know that's a big battlefield and it will always help to have more people on board for a diverse and helpful wiki. What I propose is the formation of an official wiki team this team works with developers on a low level advisory role to learn and understand updates to the fullest extent so that they as a team can publish the best manuals and information available.

However what is ultimately in demand is the time of this team, people want to only press as much time as they can afford to a volunteer effort. So in the basis of establishing this team what if we offered a incentive to be a part of this team say... a stipend of gold deposited into their family wealth and longer term members of the team depending on their activity may even get bonuses such as family fame, a unique item for the character of their choice etc, from Tom and the staff.

This helps the wiki maintain a current status and gets a team on board to "actively" keep it up to date. The Wiki team would have no powers other than the simple fact of maintaining the wiki to adhere to the information of the current time, and observing the board to ensure it's kept clean and in accordance with the Social Contract and IR.

This team would be headed by a Department head who would report weekly directly to Tom/Dev Team on the activity, what has been updated, modified, problems to ensure activity on the end of the team as well as list names of those on the team who were active and deserve compensation. An example of the report outline would look like this.



Forum Name:Talratheon
Position: Wiki Team
Date: 2012-03-08


WIKI TEAM DETAILS

Team Members:
Talratheon
Joe Blo
Barbie
Mary Jane
Jenna Jameson


Assignment: Updating the manual before moving on to other aspects of the wiki, including region descriptions in accordance with in-game descriptions.

Activity: Daily Activity on both IRC and Game and Forums.
Comments/Questions/Suggestions:

So a report would more or less look like that to keep you and whom ever you wished it Cc to involved and knowledgeable of the changes being made.



I think the development of a wiki team will ultimately help the server grown and population base grow as while we are an ever evolving game the information at hand will also be ever growing, and it is paramount that new player can read the manual and quickly learn the play style of the game before getting too frustrated by the lack of help or ignorance of the game.

The wiki team would also monitor obscenities working together to keep all information factual, educational and to the point.

The team would also be responsible for the forum moderation of the wiki forum as well as making weekly announcements on the changes and updates make on the Battlemaster wiki and also answer wiki related questions to the forum member base.

What does everyone think of this idea/proposal?
Title: Re: Battlemaster Wiki Team Proposal
Post by: Tom on August 04, 2012, 02:55:37 PM
I strongly support this idea.
Title: Re: Battlemaster Wiki Team Proposal
Post by: Indirik on August 04, 2012, 04:43:48 PM
A team dedicated to keeping the wiki up to date is a good idea. But I don't like the idea of any kind of IG bonus or perk.
Title: Re: Battlemaster Wiki Team Proposal
Post by: Indirik on August 04, 2012, 04:45:40 PM
Also, weekly reports of member activity? Seems a bit much.
Title: Re: Battlemaster Wiki Team Proposal
Post by: House Talratheon on August 04, 2012, 06:53:58 PM
Address the first issue,

the idea of IG compensation would be justified because they are actively contributing to the current and new player base by updating information on a constant basis. You've seen the wiki is that something you really want to tackle for free and if it is how motivated are you to really go out and do it all? The fact it's still unfinished even after I have worked on it for a little bit say alot about the current system. Like the saying goes if it isn't broken don't fix it, and well currently it ain't working so it must be broken.

As for weekly reports I wouldn't say so I'm sure both Tom and the Development will want to know which pages have been updated so they can quickly go to read and verify or tell us to amend it than it sit there possibly flawed and derping people. It also shows the activity of the wiki team when it comes to keeping them on the team. The weekly report is only for the Wiki Team Head to give to Tom/Dev Team. Other than that the wiki team can collaborate among one another on Irc. to work on keeping the wiki up to date and ensure it's fluidity.

And even look at the wiki forum it's empty where as members of the wiki team can make consistent posts updating the player as a whole on a active basis on the updates made.

Furthermore selection of members of the wiki team can be hashed out once this proposal is approved or in the end game denied and we all go back to doing what we do.
Title: Re: Battlemaster Wiki Team Proposal
Post by: Anaris on August 04, 2012, 07:29:13 PM
The only compensation any contributors to this game get are donation goodies.

No one gets given family gold or any other kind of in-character reward for their service. Not the Titans, not the Magistrates, not the Community Manager, and not the developers.

I see absolutely no reason why we should start giving out such in-character rewards for this, when we don't do so for any other contribution.
Title: Re: Battlemaster Wiki Team Proposal
Post by: Tom on August 04, 2012, 07:49:02 PM
Goodies are fine, and we might add some recognition value to the userpage, something like badges ("dev team member", "wiki team", "forum moderator", "magistrate", etc.)

I do think recognition is important and we've not given it enough stress this far.

Title: Re: Battlemaster Wiki Team Proposal
Post by: Indirik on August 04, 2012, 08:20:56 PM
You've seen the wiki is that something you really want to tackle for free and if it is how motivated are you to really go out and do it all?
Actually, I have. For 6.5 years. I'm fairly certain I have more wiki edits than any other user.

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As for weekly reports I wouldn't say so I'm sure both Tom and the Development will want to know which pages have been updated so they can quickly go to read and verify or tell us to amend it than it sit there possibly flawed and derping people.
Just be careful you don't turn it into a job. Things like that, that get turned into a job, quickly grow old as it turns into another daily/weekly grind to hit your benchmark for the week.

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And even look at the wiki forum it's empty where as members of the wiki team can make consistent posts updating the player as a whole on a active basis on the updates made.
Go for it. Start updating the wiki. Start posting your updates on the wiki board. There's nothing stopping you from doing that. Put out your call for volunteers on the wiki board, gather yourself a team of people, and get going.

Goodies are fine, and we might add some recognition value to the userpage, something like badges ("dev team member", "wiki team", "forum moderator", "magistrate", etc.)

I do think recognition is important and we've not given it enough stress this far.
I'm all for recognition of player contributions to the game. Just not IC/IG goodies/benefits.
Title: Re: Battlemaster Wiki Team Proposal
Post by: Zakilevo on August 04, 2012, 11:11:53 PM
I sometimes update stuff to date as I go. Sometimes get rid of stuff some region descriptions which are not doing its proper job. - can't write those in your realm's perspective~

The problem I've been facing recently is that after new wiki update, some pages are rather broken - or scattered I should say? and sadly I don't have the skill to fix them really.

Also, knowing which page needs to be updated would help a lot.
Title: Re: Battlemaster Wiki Team Proposal
Post by: egamma on August 05, 2012, 06:28:04 AM
I just updated the "Battlemaster Basics" page, I think it's up to date.

Start with the Manual (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Manual). I think that's the first place people go for information, so it's likely the best place to start.
Title: Re: Battlemaster Wiki Team Proposal
Post by: Zakilevo on August 05, 2012, 07:11:02 AM
I just updated the "Battlemaster Basics" page, I think it's up to date.

Start with the Manual (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Manual). I think that's the first place people go for information, so it's likely the best place to start.

I am working on it as well. Updated a couple pages.
Title: Re: Battlemaster Wiki Team Proposal
Post by: Sonya on October 30, 2012, 05:29:52 PM
You have to keep me posted of the changes, so i can Update the Spanish version as well.



Peace!
Title: Re: Battlemaster Wiki Team Proposal
Post by: egamma on October 31, 2012, 01:04:12 AM
You have to keep me posted of the changes, so i can Update the Spanish version as well.

Peace!

http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges)

I updated the ruler description: http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Government_Position (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Government_Position)

Updated trader skill description:
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Attributes#Skills (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Attributes#Skills)

Created this new page (under construction, hope to get additional information added): http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Move_capital (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Move_capital)
Title: Re: Battlemaster Wiki Team Proposal
Post by: Sonya on November 01, 2012, 02:51:58 PM
Thanks!

Oh, and other thing, we should update the "New Random Features"
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/New_Random_Features

Is....old..to be in the top part of the Manual.
Title: Re: Battlemaster Wiki Team Proposal
Post by: egamma on November 02, 2012, 04:17:53 PM
Agreed. maybe replace it with a link to announcements or development forum?
Title: Re: Battlemaster Wiki Team Proposal
Post by: Eldargard on December 03, 2012, 01:19:37 PM
I would be happy to help update the wiki. It would be great if there was a to-do list I could go off of. Kind of like a primitive bug tracker listing the page and what is lacking. Dev and other players could add to it. Wiki team could pull items, fix them, and update them as being complete. Is there such a page already? If some reward was desired for Dev, Magistrates, Testers, Wiki People and all of that, I would also be against anything more than an extra character slot of some kind.
Title: Re: Battlemaster Wiki Team Proposal
Post by: Penchant on December 03, 2012, 10:58:57 PM
I would be happy to help update the wiki. It would be great if there was a to-do list I could go off of. Kind of like a primitive bug tracker listing the page and what is lacking. Dev and other players could add to it. Wiki team could pull items, fix them, and update them as being complete. Is there such a page already? If some reward was desired for Dev, Magistrates, Testers, Wiki People and all of that, I would also be against anything more than an extra character slot of some kind.
Todo list: Anything and everything. There are few pages up to date unless you are strictly speaking the manual.
Title: Re: Battlemaster Wiki Team Proposal
Post by: Indirik on December 03, 2012, 11:43:58 PM
Anything in the Manual category is highest priority. These are the "official" pages.
Title: Re: Battlemaster Wiki Team Proposal
Post by: Eldargard on December 04, 2012, 07:55:16 AM
OK. I will start looking through the Manual pages. Shall I post potential pages for review before publishing them? As a newish player, I do not mind getting the opinions of other, more knowledgeable,  players as I go.
Title: Re: Battlemaster Wiki Team Proposal
Post by: Indirik on December 04, 2012, 02:21:17 PM
If you would like, you can post on this board asking for someone to look at a page.
Title: Re: Battlemaster Wiki Team Proposal
Post by: Vita on April 15, 2013, 08:16:43 PM
Well, ahem. For those that remember me, I'm back and helping Tom out again, with a focus on the wiki. This thread was partially responsible for that. For those that don't, long-time player, first Community Manager, wiki editor, blah blah.

Of course, as we all recognize, its difficult to pursue alone with little coordination, so I'm going to be encouraging those that posted here earlier helping with wiki and Manual to get involved again, whether there's an official Wiki Team or not. For all intents and purposes, I'll consider anyone coordinating on this subforum to be on the Wiki Team. I'll be able to coordinate with devs on any new features coming through and updating the documentation appropriately.

Zaki, Unwin, Here's an old to-do list from years back. Its probably regressed quite a bit since I was last around though. http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/User:Bishamon_Family/Wiki_Clean-up_Project

However, as Indirik pointed out the Manual is the highest priority. This would be everything in the Manual Category. It needs to reflect the current code of BM so if while improving it, you're unsure of how something works, I'll be happy to answer any questions. Having been gone awhile, I'm still catching up somewhat though. Anaris is usually quite helpful in that regard as well. I'll be making a follow up thread shortly with lists of where I think the focus needs to be had. For now, here's some places to get started:

Also, we need to make sure the Help Category is properly fleshed out. These are the pages linked from within the game to provide assistance to the confused about said page. I remember stumbling across a few that went to blank pages so I'll be checking shortly to make sure all the Help pages link to are properly filled out, then inspecting them for quality and making another follow-up thread on those. For now, here's some places to get started:

I'll also be updating the Community Portal page and making sure each island page properly lists the living/lost realms & religions. But someone whose played more consistently more recently would probably be best to focus on those island pages so feel free to go ahead. I'll also be reaching out to Magistrates to make sure their verdicts have a nice public repository on wiki and is properly updated and easier to reference than forum posts.

I'll also be working with Solari to improve the UI in that we'd like to see the Manual page and/or others (still working it out) more readily accessible while logged in. Otherwise, Manual is not obviously visible at first glance without knowing to go back to battlemaster.org (honestly I never look at that since I just type in battlemaster.org/login.php) or visit the wiki. I think making it more apparent to people needing help would probably be useful in incorporating the game and the wiki together.

Overall, we'll also need to make sure that relevant pages are properly categorized. Its as simple as putting [[Category: Manual]] or [[Category: Help]] at the bottom of a page. Also, if you're going to be editing the wiki, please consider these:

Edit: Oh, and Sonya, other fluent spanish, dutch-speakers, and anyone interested in translating the manual to their language, I'll keep a record of which pages I/we consider up to par in the thread so you can begin translating those specific pages.

If any roleplayer-types would be interested in combing through the Introduction after we're done with manual, let me know.
Title: Re: Battlemaster Wiki Team Proposal
Post by: Arundel on May 10, 2013, 01:58:21 AM
I'm jumping in and helping. I've always prowled the wiki and updated a lot of stuff (though usually personal.) Vita, Unwin and Zaki, how much have you guys done so far?