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BattleMaster => Locals => Dwilight => Topic started by: Uzamaki on August 17, 2012, 05:05:50 PM
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Shino is on trial in Terran based on a forged letter... We will see if he can prove it forged though.
Erasmus is finally put on trial for treason. Surprised it never happened earlier.
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Sounds like he's a pretty nasty piece of work.
(Erasmus, that is, not Shino. No idea what Shino's like.)
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Man, what is it with Terran and forged letters?
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Sounds like he's a pretty nasty piece of work.
(Erasmus, that is, not Shino. No idea what Shino's like.)
Yeah from what I have heard IC and OOC he seems like quite the evil guy.
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The stuff going down in Terran right now is seriously epic.
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The stuff going down in Terran right now is seriously epic.
When this is over someone in Terran should post what happened with details.
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Shino renounced Erasmus as a traitor, thinking he used him, Erasmus banned Marshal Alura and Shino, so now Shino is quickly filing for a trial.
Epic stuff right here. 8)
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Filing for a trial? A trial with jurors or one with judges?
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Filing for a trial? A trial with jurors or one with judges?
The Senate are the jurors. A judge presides(but I couldn't tell you what they do, to be quite honest).
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LOL
Victory.
The conspirators are turning on each other. Win.
And seriously, if it's really a forged letter, I will be as surprised as the next person.
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LOL
Victory.
The conspirators are turning on each other. Win.
And seriously, if it's really a forged letter, I will be as surprised as the next person.
OOC, I am telling you it is! It really is! But I don't know if I can prove it IC. We will see! ;D
EDIT: Also, Shino is not a conspirator. Just a naive soul lost in Erasmus' web.
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Isn't that what all conspirators claim to be? :)
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Isn't that what all conspirators claim to be? :)
+1
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Isn't that what all conspirators claim to be? :)
I suppose so, but I have a hell of a lot of evidence to present at trial, whereas Vellos has a forged letter and some rumors that the High Ranking officials of Asylon have seen said forged letter.
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I suppose so, but I have a hell of a lot of evidence to present at trial, whereas Vellos has a forged letter and some rumors that the High Ranking officials of Asylon have seen said forged letter.
Hireshmont also has a charming disposition. And the ability to pick the next Magistrate of Justice if he wants to. And the support of no small number of nobles.
And the fact that nobody doubts Erasmus' guilt now, and you've quite publicly admitted to at least being associated.
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Hireshmont also has a charming disposition. And the ability to pick the next Magistrate of Justice if he wants to. And the support of no small number of nobles.
And the fact that nobody doubts Erasmus' guilt now, and you've quite publicly admitted to at least being associated.
Which the extent of that association will be completely disclosed in my evidence. If anything, I think this helped me, not hurt me. Judges are elected. If the election does not run it's course, people will begin wondering about you...
Also, Hireshmont has gone crazier than Glaumring on this. For real.
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Crazier than Glaumring? Is that even possible? That's like saying Charlie Sheen has been calm and sensible all his life.
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Which the extent of that association will be completely disclosed in my evidence. If anything, I think this helped me, not hurt me. Judges are elected. If the election does not run it's course, people will begin wondering about you...
Also, Hireshmont has gone crazier than Glaumring on this. For real.
Judges are elected because Hireshmont says they are elected.
Hireshmont has been tracking Erasmus for months; Shino only came up on his radar within the last few weeks. Erasmus' actions may help Shino. But the simple fact of the matter is that, by the time this all settles out, Hireshmont will not be in the same realm as Shino or Erasmus. Either because he's so overstepped his bounds to crush them that he is expelled, or because he's won.
No matter what, this will also be his last term as Chief Magistrate.
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Crazier than Glaumring? Is that even possible? That's like saying Charlie Sheen has been calm and sensible all his life.
Okay, maybe not crazier. But Hireshmont is flying off the handle.
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Update: Erasmus has not been protested out of power yet. Probably next turn. He has arrested Hireshmont and said and I quote 'I AM the Law!'
Outrage ensues. This will get interesting.
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This is getting pretty good, and I'm not even there. Someone should definitely summarize what happened when it's all over.
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This is getting pretty good, and I'm not even there. Someone should definitely summarize what happened when it's all over.
The way I see it, this won't end for a couple days. Erasmus will be banned, Shino will have a trial, and Alura's ban will be lifted. I am sure the Chief Magistrate is probably getting tortured by Erasmus though...
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Best part is, if Erasmus gets protested out before Hireshmont finds a way out of prison, he has to stay there...
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Best part is, if Erasmus gets protested out before Hireshmont finds a way out of prison, he has to stay there...
FOREVER? Dun dun... DUUUUUUUUNNNNN
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Orders from Erasmus La Pointe (just in)
Message sent to everyone in your realm (26 recipients)
Nobles of Terran,
There will be no more protesting. Protest, and you will be banished. This is your last warning.
Live to Hunt, Hunt to Kill,
Erasmus La Pointe
Magistrate of Justice of Terran, Senator of Vashgew
Ooo.
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LOL
THIS IS AWESOME.
There had better be a rebellion. This is the best excuse for a rebellion ever. If we miss this... bah.
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LOL
THIS IS AWESOME.
There had better be a rebellion. This is the best excuse for a rebellion ever. If we miss this... bah.
Shino is rallying people to protest Erasmus. You would be so proud of him if you could see it. :'(
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Shino is rallying people to protest Erasmus. You would be so proud of him if you could see it. :'(
Shino seems like the opportunistic type, like Whoopi Goldberg in the Lion King.
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Shino seems like the opportunistic type, like Whoopi Goldberg in the Lion King.
Not really. He argues with high ranking officials all the time, knowing that isn't going to help him. He truly feels cheated by Erasmus. He isn't a traitor nor corrupted, but he will hurt those who are in Terran.
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Not really. He argues with high ranking officials all the time, knowing that isn't going to help him. He truly feels cheated by Erasmus. He isn't a traitor nor corrupted, but he will hurt those who are in Terran.
Well, Erasmus is definitely like Scar, he's going to burn that !@#$ to the ground, just like Pride Rock.
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LOL
THIS IS AWESOME.
There had better be a rebellion. This is the best excuse for a rebellion ever. If we miss this... bah.
Seriously. This is so good. I'm loving it!
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Well, Erasmus is definitely like Scar, he's going to burn that !@#$ to the ground, just like Pride Rock.
For sure. I think Chief Magistrate Hireshmont is the caged bird. :P
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Somehow, I think I have the two sides of this conflict mixed up... -_-
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Somehow, I think I have the two sides of this conflict mixed up... -_-
They're getting jumbled.
Erasmus/Shino/Alura built a pretty good political base. By my count they had 7 or 8 Senators more-or-less aligned with them. But, for all that Uzamaki thinks Hireshmont is off his rocker, he's succeeded in throwing enough accusations around to divide their bloc and isolate Erasmus, the most dangerous component of the group.
So now it's basically Erasmus vs. Terran.
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Somehow, I think I have the two sides of this conflict mixed up... -_-
Well, on one side you have some people from Terran. On the other side you have some other people from Terran. If you think of it like that, it's simple, right?
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Somehow, I think I have the two sides of this conflict mixed up... -_-
Hireshmont accused Shino of treason yesterday based on a forged letter. A trial was going to ensue in 24 hours when Erasmus little spy club got unveiled. So, people started to protest Erasmus. Erasmus got pissed and said Hireshmont didn't want a fair trial(I think he was fishing for Shino's help a little bit, but Shino was like FYMF). Now, Erasmus is on a rampage and has arrested Hireshmont as well as banned Shino, Alura, and Tooru, and promised to ban any others that would protest against him. THEN Royal Vigilans protested against him and has challenged him to a duel to the death.
EDIT: And Erasmus says he will accept on the condition there are no more protests.
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Hireshmont accused Shino of treason yesterday based on a forged letter. A trial was going to ensue in 24 hours when Erasmus little spy club got unveiled.
EDIT: And Erasmus says he will accept on the condition there are no more protests.
That isn't a little spy club, they do work.
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They're getting jumbled.
Erasmus/Shino/Alura built a pretty good political base. By my count they had 7 or 8 Senators more-or-less aligned with them. But, for all that Uzamaki thinks Hireshmont is off his rocker, he's succeeded in throwing enough accusations around to divide their bloc and isolate Erasmus, the most dangerous component of the group.
So now it's basically Erasmus vs. Terran.
Really the only dangerous one, as you will see in the trial.
@T-Rex: I'm sure, but that won't stop him from getting banned/killed.
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That isn't a little spy club, they do work.
No !@#$. I'd been tracking them off and on for a while with relatively little success when Solari managed to break up a major cell and get hard(ish) evidence all in one fell swoop.
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No !@#$. I'd been tracking them off and on for a while with relatively little success when Solari managed to break up a major cell and get hard(ish) evidence all in one fell swoop.
That spy club brought the most fun out of this game for me, now we're being scattered like the Templars... Or like Scar's Hyena's. I'm going to assume my boy is either Cheech or the one with downs. Probably the one with downs, who knows... Maybe even Whoopi Goldberg. I also don't know why I'm comparing all this to the Lion King.
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The Huntsmen sound like a pretty awesome idea/thing.
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That spy club brought the most fun out of this game for me, now we're being scattered like the Templars... Or like Scar's Hyena's. I'm going to assume my boy is either Cheech or the one with downs. Probably the one with downs, who knows... Maybe even Whoopi Goldberg. I also don't know why I'm comparing all this to the Lion King.
Yeah, it sounds really neat. And it sounds like it's been pretty successful.
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Oh, yeah, we totally need more nobles who torture, maim, and kill other human beings for fun, then take trophies and make careful and loving records of it to brag about later.
??? :P
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Oh, yeah, we totally need more nobles who torture, maim, and kill other human beings for fun, then take trophies and make careful and loving records of it to brag about later.
??? :P
How do you know about the records?
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Oh, yeah, we totally need more nobles who torture, maim, and kill other human beings for fun, then take trophies and make careful and loving records of it to brag about later.
??? :P
Hey, it's a great source of conflict, is it not?
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Oh, yeah, we totally need more nobles who torture, maim, and kill other human beings for fun, then take trophies and make careful and loving records of it to brag about later.
??? :P
Which adds a major element of intrigue and conflict to the game. We can all gather round and stone Erasmus et al.
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Hey, it's a great source of conflict, is it not?
You are absolutely correct, it's a wonderful source of conflict. Just like when Scar murdered Mufasa and exiled Simba.
Which adds a major element of intrigue and conflict to the game. We can all gather round and stone Erasmus et al.
Vellos should start singing Hakuna Matata in his prison cells. I would worship him OOC for that and yes I mean I would accept a bm character as my real life god.
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Spy club aye?
That is awesome. My hat off to you guys. :)
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You are absolutely correct, it's a wonderful source of conflict. Just like when Scar murdered Mufasa and exiled Simba.
Vellos should start singing Hakuna Matata in his prison cells. I would worship him OOC for that and yes I mean I would accept a bm character as my real life god.
I like to think more of Hireshmont as Richard the Lionheart imprisoned in Austria than the bird-messenger of the king. Or maybe as the Czar right after the Russian Revolution. Let's go with Richard the Lionheart.
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Spy club aye?
That is awesome. My hat off to you guys. :)
I think it would have been better fitted on Beluaterra but, I'm not the founder, so... yeah, Dwilight it is.
I like to think more of Hireshmont as Richard the Lionheart imprisoned in Austria than the bird-messenger of the king. Or maybe as the Czar right after the Russian Revolution. Let's go with Richard the Lionheart.
I will always see him as Mufasa.
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I think it would have been better fitted on Beluaterra but, I'm not the founder, so... yeah, Dwilight it is.
Everything is better on Beluaterra. :)
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Everything is better on Beluaterra. :)
It's my old stomping grounds with my old family. I'll never forget the battle of Heen, when we waged a guerrilla war against the undead who were destroying our city. We lasted long enough for allies to arrive, even though every single member of our realm council and military command was wounded. The survivors agreed on hit and run tactics, it stalled the undead just long enough for us to survive. That was a real proud moment for me as a player. My boy might have to flee to Beluaterra, I don't think he has a place in Dwilight anymore.
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Just counted 10 protests in the past two turns.
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Just counted 10 protests in the past two turns.
In a realm of 27, I wonder how many it takes? I know he lost a prestige point at the last turn for it. I wonder how many to oust him, though?
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In a realm of 27, I wonder how many it takes? I know he lost a prestige point at the last turn for it. I wonder how many to oust him, though?
Neji got like 7 protests in a realm of 35 and that didn't oust him. Cost him a couple prestige points though.
I have heard its like a third need to protests. Whether that's all in one turn or in a day, I don't know.
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Neji got like 7 protests in a realm of 35 and that didn't oust him. Cost him a couple prestige points though.
I have heard its like a third need to protests. Whether that's all in one turn or in a day, I don't know.
The formula's not that simple.
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Pretty difficult, really.
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Pretty difficult, really.
Shows what I know. :P
'Hey, you! Your ignorance is showing.'
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So I'll ask a second time, Anaris, and hopefully this time I won't be ignored.
Oh, yeah, we totally need more nobles who torture, maim, and kill other human beings for fun, then take trophies and make careful and loving records of it to brag about later.
??? :P
How did you know we kept loving records and trophies?
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So I'll ask a second time, Anaris, and hopefully this time I won't be ignored.
How did you know we kept loving records and trophies?
Sorry, I must have missed the first one.
I didn't know; it just seemed like the kind of depraved thing that such people would do. Now, though, I know ;D
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Sorry, I must have missed the first one.
I didn't know; it just seemed like the kind of depraved thing that such people would do. Now, though, I know ;D
Hmm...
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Hmm...
FWIW, Hireshmont believed Erasmus did that even before he knew about the Huntsmen.
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FWIW, Hireshmont believed Erasmus did that even before he knew about the Huntsmen.
Hahahaha, oh, Erasmus... He never fails to make my sides split.
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Actually, I'm the one who outed Erasmus to the whole realm. I just happen to have awesome timing and did so right as we discovered he was the spymaster of the Hunstmen.
I sent letters to all the Lords of Terran outing Erasmus by the grace of his own words, and sent every letter between us three to Lord Vellos directly to clear Shino's name.
Erasmus never supported us... Maybe Alura, hoping to have her be General at his side, but Alura always suspected Erasmus' as a traitor. Shino and Alura discussed this after Erasmus stopped answering our letters after he went bat!@#$ and threatened to arrest Vellos and use supposed dirt to out Perth and all the Dukes, which we wanted absolutely nothing to do with.
Dafuq, lmao.
"Hey, would you help us make sure Vellos doesn't go bat!@#$ with senility and ruin Terran by voting for us to help rebuild Terran?"
"Vote? Elections? !@#$ that, I'm going to frame and imprison EEEEEEEVERYONE! Then, you can be Magistrate Shino because I don't have those ambitions, and you Alura would be a fine General."
</Shino-Alura> *blink blink* "...Uhhh... Not... Really... Umm... What we meant... Err..."
That's effectively what happened. :-P
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Actually, I'm the one who outed Erasmus to the whole realm. I just happen to have awesome timing and did so right as we discovered he was the spymaster of the Hunstmen.
I sent letters to all the Lords of Terran outing Erasmus by the grace of his own words, and sent every letter between us three to Lord Vellos directly to clear Shino's name.
Erasmus never supported us... Maybe Alura, hoping to have her be General at his side, but Alura always suspected Erasmus' as a traitor. Shino and Alura discussed this after Erasmus stopped answering our letters after he went bat!@#$ and threatened to arrest Vellos and use supposed dirt to out Perth and all the Dukes, which we wanted absolutely nothing to do with.
Dafuq, lmao.
"Hey, would you help us make sure Vellos doesn't go bat!@#$ with senility and ruin Terran by voting for us to help rebuild Terran?"
"Vote? Elections? !@#$ that, I'm going to frame and imprison EEEEEEEVERYONE! Then, you can be Magistrate Shino because I don't have those ambitions, and you Alura would be a fine General."
</Shino-Alura> *blink blink* "...Uhhh... Not... Really... Umm... What we meant... Err..."
That's effectively what happened. :-P
Yup. And one forged letter later, Shino has some serious stuff to explain...
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I knew it was bull!@#$. It was way too sudden and too convenient for Erasmus... I KNEW he wanted to be CE, he stated it. Then to Shino he says "Oh despite all my power and ambition and greed and connections I'll just randomly and for no discernible reason bow to a young and foolish noble and let you take over a realm I've long-manipulated in order to control?"
...Yeah, not happening. I knew he would do something against Shino but I didn't realize he'd do it so soon o_O
Also, I only remembered he ever wrote that letter because I was drunk. I typed all that blitzed out of my mind so I apologize if I made little sense.
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I knew it was bull!@#$. It was way too sudden and too convenient for Erasmus... I KNEW he wanted to be CE, he stated it. Then to Shino he says "Oh despite all my power and ambition and greed and connections I'll just randomly and for no discernible reason bow to a young and foolish noble and let you take over a realm I've long-manipulated in order to control?"
...Yeah, not happening. I knew he would do something against Shino but I didn't realize he'd do it so soon o_O
Also, I only remembered he ever wrote that letter because I was drunk. I typed all that blitzed out of my mind so I apologize if I made little sense.
I don't think he forged it. I think someone else did. And not Vellos either.
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Someone else?
Well, one this is certain: Erasmus accused me of treachery before Vellos ousted him so one of those I sent the letter to ousting him, all Dukes and Magistrates, might also be a traitor and Erasmus' agent...
!@#$, I just realized that. It just gets worse :-|
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Someone else?
Well, one this is certain: Erasmus accused me of treachery before Vellos ousted him so one of those I sent the letter to ousting him, all Dukes and Magistrates, might also be a traitor and Erasmus' agent...
!@#$, I just realized that. It just gets worse :-|
Oh yeah. I can feel a rebellion coming, after all of the people Erasmus banned are rogue.
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God DAMN it.
We tried so hard to gain power peacefully and without rebellion and we end up rebelling anyway, LOL! !@#$ing ironic. At least this way we show ourselves to be honorable and fight for good reasons.
Whoever said honesty doesn't pay is probably a dishonest prick... Or a Judge. ;-)
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God DAMN it.
We tried so hard to gain power peacefully and without rebellion and we end up rebelling anyway, LOL! !@#$ing ironic. At least this way we show ourselves to be honorable and fight for good reasons.
Whoever said honesty doesn't pay is probably a dishonest prick... Or a Judge. ;-)
Maybe not though. There are few nobles in the vicinity of the capital, and those that are are on the loyalist side.
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Actually, I'm the one who outed Erasmus to the whole realm. I just happen to have awesome timing and did so right as we discovered he was the spymaster of the Hunstmen.
By "awesome timing" do you mean acting on IC propaganda posted here on the forums?
Re: Luria
« Reply #306 on: Yesterday at 12:48:48 AM »
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Malus wades into Terran politics by sharing with the rulers of Dwilight what Hireshmont has already been told: that the Magistrate of Terran coordinated treason within Solaria in an attempt to discredit Hireshmont, assume his place, and unite all of the 'moot realms under a single empire. Oh, and that he has a network of goons that work with him to round up advies and serially torture them. THAT's pretty cool. Wish I'd thought of that idea myself.
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That's nothing new, I've known that IC and OOC for ages now.
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That's nothing new, I've known that IC and OOC for ages now.
That's simply not possible. Considering that the propaganda was released AFTER my character confessed, giving Malus the evidence to incriminate Erasmus. How could you know for ages IC and OOC when it's only been available for 2 maybe 3 days at most? You must also consider the fact that some of it was manufactured propaganda, i.e. the moot empire. The moot empire propaganda was only recently created in the last few days.
So, you knew for ages? Then why did you wait until after Solari posted the propaganda on the forum to out Erasmus?
Re: Luria
« Reply #331 on: Yesterday at 07:13:08 AM »
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I'm pretty sure I've effectively cleared the air of this big pile of bull!@#$ that's going on in Terran. I was trying to avoid bringing certain information to light but a certain douchey character gave me no choice when he tried to manipulate the !@#$ out of everyone.
I totally forgot about that letter until tonight when I was drunk. I was like, I KNOW who it is IC and OOC, but how the hell do I prove it? I'm pretty sure when he told me certain things it was in OOC and not I... Oh !@#$. Wait. SCORE.
I suspected from the start but thought it beneath him... Apparently not.
I see you talking about a letter, which in all fairness, was legit, but your perfect timing came after IC propaganda was posted here.
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That's simply not possible. Considering that the propaganda was released AFTER my character confessed, giving Malus the evidence to incriminate Erasmus. How could you know for ages IC and OOC when it's only been available for 2 maybe 3 days at most? You must also consider the fact that some of it was manufactured propaganda, i.e. the moot empire. The moot empire propaganda was only recently created in the last few days.
So, you knew for ages? Then why did you wait until after Solari posted the propaganda on the forum to out Erasmus?
I see you talking about a letter, which in all fairness, was legit, but your perfect timing came after IC propaganda was posted here.
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She really did wait. We knew he had spies, and we knew he was a bad dude, we just didn't know how bad until we realized he was an evil mastermind.
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lol
Evil masterminds don't get caught...
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lol
Evil masterminds don't get caught...
Sometimes they do. Webs are hard to make, hard to unveil, but once they do get unveiled, all hell breaks loose. Kind of like what is happening in Terran right now.
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He murdered my adventurer, you can all give him hell!! lol
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He murdered my adventurer, you can all give him hell!! lol
Yeah, he tends to do stuff like that...
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A good defense might be to blame Allison for the forgery.
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A good defense might be to blame Allison for the forgery.
Hahaha! Should have thought of that. But, no, I already have my defense written out. Shino has enemies in Terran. He basically says any one of them could have written this letter(which is basically a compilation of what he said in the Senate with a rebellion twist) and sent it to Hireshmont.
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Bans start going into effect, Shino and Alura kicked out first.
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Erasmus murdered my adventurer as well. I (as player) am still pretty miffed about that as I had that adventurer collect near all possible ressources over the course of one RL year. However, my noble character in Dwilight never did follow up on that (too little time...sigh). He would have had a nice club as that adventurer had a scroll of daimon banishing which....vanished after the advy was tortured (7 times....) and executed. Gods, I wish I had found the time to raise some stink...
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She really did wait. We knew he had spies, and we knew he was a bad dude, we just didn't know how bad until we realized he was an evil mastermind.
That's not the point. I called him for being arrogant, posted an example of the IC propaganda, which he claimed he knew of for ages. Plus he said he forgot about the letter until he was in a drunken stupor the other day.
I totally forgot about that letter until tonight when I was drunk.
So by his own words, I know he didn't wait. His perfect timing is him trying to feel like he had a major role in the downfall of Erasmus, when it was Malus that truly brought him down. Even Vellos said he had been trying to figure all this out but couldn't find evidence. Remember, it was Malus who gathered hard evidence against Erasmus which brought his fall. Yes, Alura had a legit letter, but that wasn't the straw that broke the camel's back, it was simply another straw placed on an already broken back of the camel we know as Erasmus. So I will place the glasses upon my face once again. 8)
You must also consider the fact that it was his fellow Huntsmen that outed Erasmus. Malus said "Be honest, I can be forgiving only once." the mistake the Huntsmen in Solaria made was that they believed that and didn't know Malus was that epic of a trickster. I remember when Malus confronted Cato, OOC I knew it was all over because I rp Cato a bit on the ignorant side since he ascended to nobility from an uneducated tribe and he is also young and naive. (There is nothing in this game that I hate more then a 17 year old noble that knows everything that a grizzled veteran of 55 years knows.) Plus, Cato genuinely trusted Malus on his word, because usually 99.9% of the time Malus sticks to his word. The lesson learned by Cato in all this, don't !@#$ with Malus.
He murdered my adventurer, you can all give him hell!! lol
Take a ticket, he Mo' Murda-ed a lot of advys.
we realized he was an evil mastermind.
It's far beyond that, the player is a humble genius, and Erasmus was dangerously close to being a Mao like figure. But even Mao was knocked down a few times before he ascended to power, so I'm sure Erasmus will find a way to get back on his feet and then it's back to Mo' Murda Mo' Murda.
Erasmus murdered my adventurer as well. I (as player) am still pretty miffed about that as I had that adventurer collect near all possible ressources over the course of one RL year. However, my noble character in Dwilight never did follow up on that (too little time...sigh). He would have had a nice club as that adventurer had a scroll of daimon banishing which....vanished after the advy was tortured (7 times....) and executed. Gods, I wish I had found the time to raise some stink...
Well, take a ticket, Erasmus may not make it through this. Depends on what he has up his sleeve and even the Huntsmen don't know what he's going to do next.
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That's simply not possible. Considering that the propaganda was released AFTER my character confessed, giving Malus the evidence to incriminate Erasmus. How could you know for ages IC and OOC when it's only been available for 2 maybe 3 days at most? You must also consider the fact that some of it was manufactured propaganda, i.e. the moot empire. The moot empire propaganda was only recently created in the last few days.
So, you knew for ages? Then why did you wait until after Solari posted the propaganda on the forum to out Erasmus?
I see you talking about a letter, which in all fairness, was legit, but your perfect timing came after IC propaganda was posted here.
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What forum propaganda? Am I missing something?
In other news: Hireshmont just tried to use his hero class to escape from prison. Failed. Maybe I'll get another chance later.
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What forum propaganda? Am I missing something?
In other news: Hireshmont just tried to use his hero class to escape from prison. Failed. Maybe I'll get another chance later.
It's on the Lurian thread and I quoted it earlier on this thread.
As for Hireshmont, try singing Hakuna Matata to the prison guards. I'm still standing by my claim, if you do that, I will accept Hireshmont as my one true god.
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I'm not talking about the Lurian plot, dude. I don't know anything about that and I frankly don't care. I knew Erasmus hated commoners and would torture and murder them, I've been informed IC various times and have investigating it. I didn't know these Huntsmen even existed.
I was having a conversation with Shino about how we could prove Erasmus is a crook and I remembered the letter he had sent us. Shino couldn't find it but I decided to go through the last month's letters (dear god, 1,000 in the last week...) until I found it. I'm not saying I knew anything about the Solarian stuff. I only knew he had spies and friends in Solaria, Kabrinskia, Asylon, and many other places, that he's a murderer and scum, and that he's most likely going to !@#$ me, Shino, Hireshmont, and Kale over. I had totally forgotten about that particular letter where he was STUPID enough to actually name his targets, as opposed to the many other letters he's sent with iffy statements of the questionable sort.
I actually sent out all of my letters before I came on the forum and found out about this Solari Huntsmen business. When Vellos was investigating the Huntsmen he sent me a message earlier this week saying he'd like my help since I've been known to have multiple adventurers working for me. I didn't know jack and told him the only advie-hating douche I know is Erasmus but that I doubt Erasmus would ever go that far. I had my suspicions but wasn't about to finger someone without due process and solid evidence. When Vellos turned around and sent a message saying Erasmus is a plotting traitor after I sent our my letters to the Senate and Magistrates stating his intentions, I was like "Alright, awesome." When he sent another one saying he's the leader of the Hunstmen I literally had a double-take and went, "Wait, what? TWO rebellion plots in one? The !@#$ is going on!?" And then it all went to !@#$ from there.
I still don't know what all this Huntsmen business is. All I know is that Erasmus told me he was going to arrest Vellos, blackmail Perth and the DUkes to step down, and take over as CE with me as his General. When I messaged him afterward with my and Shino's concerns for a peaceful stepdown rather than a military one, he never answered again. Then, Shino suddenly gets accused, then Erasmus starts all this talking about Shino being a traitor and plotting which is strange because Shino told Erasmus he wanted to be voted into office fairly and Erasmus replied saying to wait 7 weeks for election is too slow, lol. I instantly knew there is some weird !@#$ going on.
The weirdest off all is that Erasmus never knew I'm the one who proved he's a traitor. He sent the letter to both Shino and I and he immediately bans me first and says I'm a traitor to Terran and all this. I'm just sitting in the background going "Okay, well who the hell told Erasmus? I only sent it to Vellos, Perth, Vigilans, and the other people who Erasmus said he was going to defame and blackmail. Who the !@#$ told him?"
I'm still wondering if Vellos or someone messaged Erasmus asking if its true - which is quite obviously !@#$ing retarded, but doesn't really matter now.
All I know is, I'm running for my life to D'hara to take asylum, Erasmus has been forced from Judge but still roams free and unbanned, Vellos is in jail, probably all bloody and broken, a bunch more are about to be banned, and everything will magically be fine in a day when Dallas becomes Judge and unbans us.
Erasmus' reign will have been nothing but a minor inconvenience, and I will personally hunt him down to the ends of Dwilight and stab him until he looks like swiss cheese.
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I'm frankly lost on all this. I've been too busy and distracted, not to mention the sudden 150 letters makes things a little miffy...
Meh, I'll figure it all out this weekend. SO many bloody letters to answer... \
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\ Erasmus has been forced from Judge but still roams free and unbanned, Vellos is in jail, probably all bloody and broken, a bunch more are about to be banned, and everything will magically be fine in a day when Dallas becomes Judge and unbans us.
Erasmus out? YES.
Hireshmont is... UNTORTURED.
Which is HELLA lucky. Torture could have been very bad, very, very bad.
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REALLY?
You lucky son of a bitch.
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REALLY?
You lucky son of a bitch.
:D
I'm not sure when the torture option appears.
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:D
I'm not sure when the torture option appears.
He got booted pretty fast.
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Messiah,
By all means, you outed him to the world as head of the Huntsmen. I don't claim any involvement in that. All I did was send Dallas, Perth, Metis, Vigilans, Vellos, Etc. the letter of his own design and confession of betrayal at the time you also outed him. I had sent the letters out the night before and in the morning I logged in to find 100+ bloody messages of bans and arguments and Erasmus threatening to kill and ban anyone in his way after Vellos announced he was both a traitor to Terran as well as the leader of the Huntsmen. I never opened my mouth in public yet I was the first one banned, heh. Just my luck. Cheers!
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He got booted pretty fast.
And I see that, somehow, I am still the ruler.
Muahahaha.
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Even Vellos said he had been trying to figure all this out but couldn't find evidence.
Hireshmont knew the name of the organization, he knew Erasmus either was a leader in it (or if he wasn't, would be recruited soon enough), and he knew they did some info funneling and advie-hunting. He didn't know Erasmus was THE leader, he didn't know they were so politicized, and he didn't realize they were operating in the Lurias quite as much as they were.
Tying it to Erasmus was harder than you'd think. The Lurian confessions were a lucky break, though Hireshmont had Erasmus pinned before he received word of the actual confessions themselves. As soon as he heard about issues in Luria he connected the dots.
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Point avioded, +10 points!
It's fun to ruffle feathers.
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Haha, fun times, guys.
Sadly, you gotta wait two full days before you can torture someone, but Erasmus did enjoy relieving Hireshmont of his gold on hand and sending him to his finest cell, final home to many poor souls :)
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When I'm coming to serve ya,
Wid the nine cocked and it's ready to pop
Lettin' off shots Layzie be screamin'
Mo murda mo murda
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So, let me get this straight... this "Huntsmen" secret society was a group of nobles that made some kind of contest out of beating up, arresting, torturing, and executing adventurers?
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So, let me get this straight... this "Huntsmen" secret society was a group of nobles that made some kind of contest out of beating up, arresting, torturing, and executing adventurers?
A contest? No.
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When I'm coming to serve ya,
Wid the nine cocked and it's ready to pop
Lettin' off shots Layzie be screamin'
Mo murda mo murda
The Huntmaster will see the Caster of the Seine at the crossroads ;)
So, let me get this straight... this "Huntsmen" secret society was a group of nobles that made some kind of contest out of beating up, arresting, torturing, and executing adventurers?
Yeah, kinda, more hunting for the sake of hunting of all those we saw as beneath us. The zuma and zuma collaborators were included as targets.
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Yeah, kinda, more hunting for the sake of hunting of all those we saw as beneath us. The zuma and zuma collaborators were included as targets.
Was that the reason Gorbag was killed? :'(
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Now that all this chaos draws to a close we can move forward to Terran's revival and stabilization.
Good riddance to bad blood!
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Yeah, kinda, more hunting for the sake of hunting of all those we saw as beneath us. The zuma and zuma collaborators were included as targets.
Did you just kill any adventurer, randomly?
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Did you just kill any adventurer, randomly?
Also, how many times did they beat down all the men you sent?
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Was that the reason Gorbag was killed? :'(
Gorbag was actually what led to its creation. When Erasmus came to Dwilight it was on some fool's errand to kill a distant related adventurer (his original RP when joining Terran), which he claimed was dishonoring the family name, but the rest of the family thought it unimportant and thought Erasmus dishonorable for leaving the family's home realm, Suville, during a time of war. He never got him (it was someone else in my family who was paused), and felt unfulfilled but stayed in Terran. He already resented adventurers because of his jealously towards the way his older brother Jareth treated the house servant Reynard ( he felt Jareth treated him like more of a brother than Erasmus), SO when Gorbag came along with an item named after the region he was lord of, then chose to take a better offer, and Erasmus later found out he gave an item to the daimons (who he also began hating after their rampages in Terran) for free, He asked for Gorbag to be punished. The Ruler and General at the time( I'm guessing who you ended up selling the item to) both declared Gorbag under their protection. So Erasmus became enraged and decided he would find a way to kill him himself and all his enemies, so he supported the current judge to become Duke, and then after he stepped down Erasmus ran and won judge on a coinflip. He was also an avid hunter and talked about it often, so he created the Huntsmen of Noble Right to combine business and pleasure :) Gorbag was the first kill and it took a lot of time, effort and dirty tricks to get him.
Did you just kill any adventurer, randomly?
At first Erasmus only executed those who talked back, offended him or others, or spread rumors about him; bloodhunts as we called them, and those were the ones we took trophies from. The rest we would beat up (several times if we could to the same guy) or arrest and torture them-- some got tortured over a 7 or 8 times before they were released, and a few were caught again and tortured further. Later on, the Ruler sent Erasmus a message telling him he knew about what he was doing and didn't mind, but too many stories were coming back to him so he should just execute them all and save time and trouble; Erasmus said "This is obvious BS to protect the Ruler and the realm's reputation, but, hey, why not." and complied. Then the executions started to pile up. Another member of the Huntsmen in Solaria eventually became judge also, and even though he wasn't judge for long, he did a lot of work over there, and our Hunting Records list became very long :)
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Also, how many times did they beat down all the men you sent?
I'm not sure what ya mean here.
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I'm not sure what ya mean here.
When you want to arrest an adventurer, you have to send some of your men to do it. Before you finalize, there is a warning that depending on the advy's skill some or all of them might come back in medieval body bags and you lose some honor or prestige for it.
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Oh. Yeah, they would escape occasionally, sometimes 2 or 3 times in a row, but it didn't really stop the hunter's resolve. Each time it happened, you'd lose a prestige and morale in your unit, but I never really kept track of it. I remember 2 adventurers also escaped execution which cost the same honor and prestige as executing them. All I know for sure is Erasmus burned through over 20 honor and over 30 prestige during his 2 or 3 terms as judge.
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So how many advys do you think you executed?
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I think 7 or 8 were successfully executed by my character.
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I can understand screwing over advies who talk back or whatever but what satisfaction do you derive from executing people who haven't even spoken to you?
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Gorbag was actually what led to its creation. When Erasmus came to Dwilight it was on some fool's errand to kill a distant related adventurer (his original RP when joining Terran), which he claimed was dishonoring the family name, but the rest of the family thought it unimportant and thought Erasmus dishonorable for leaving the family's home realm, Suville, during a time of war. He never got him (it was someone else in my family who was paused), and felt unfulfilled but stayed in Terran. He already resented adventurers because of his jealously towards the way his older brother Jareth treated the house servant Reynard ( he felt Jareth treated him like more of a brother than Erasmus), SO when Gorbag came along with an item named after the region he was lord of, then chose to take a better offer, and Erasmus later found out he gave an item to the daimons (who he also began hating after their rampages in Terran) for free, He asked for Gorbag to be punished. The Ruler and General at the time( I'm guessing who you ended up selling the item to) both declared Gorbag under their protection. So Erasmus became enraged and decided he would find a way to kill him himself and all his enemies, so he supported the current judge to become Duke, and then after he stepped down Erasmus ran and won judge on a coinflip. He was also an avid hunter and talked about it often, so he created the Huntsmen of Noble Right to combine business and pleasure :) Gorbag was the first kill and it took a lot of time, effort and dirty tricks to get him.
Wow, now I feel really honored that all the RP I had invested into Gorbag did not simply die with him. It contributed in creating something much bigger than himself! I always wondered, what was the reaction of the Ruler and General of the realm after his death? He was technically under their protection, after all.
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Quite interesting!
Welp, Alura finds herself hunted, declared rogue, injured in battle, assaulted by her own countrymen, and fleeing for her life to D'haran lands with no way to contact her former countrymen or those who were also declared rogue.
I love this chaos that's going on, it'll fortify our spirit and bring us together when the dust settles.
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Quite interesting!
Welp, Alura finds herself hunted, declared rogue, injured in battle, assaulted by her own countrymen, and fleeing for her life to D'haran lands with no way to contact her former countrymen or those who were also declared rogue.
I love this chaos that's going on, it'll fortify our spirit and bring us together when the dust settles.
Yeah, game mechanic. Is Alura going to join D'Hara?
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Temporarily.
Anyone else banned is welcome to as well, we've been granted asylum by my soon-to-be husband but I couldn't get the word out because I found myself banned.
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Also, I feel it would be just to write a letter to the Moot about what's going on. Would that be alright? I'm just going to copy+paste what I wrote to Dmitrios of Asylon, who messaged me asking what's going on in Terran since I'm no longer Marshal or a noble of Terran.
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Also, I feel it would be just to write a letter to the Moot about what's going on. Would that be alright? I'm just going to copy+paste what I wrote to Dmitrios of Asylon, who messaged me asking what's going on in Terran since I'm no longer Marshal or a noble of Terran.
Lol, are you asking us OOC, what would be okay by our characters IC, for you to do IC? Man, either ask IC or just do it and deal with the repercussions IC!
I was having a conversation with Shino about how we could prove Erasmus is a crook and I remembered the letter he had sent us. Shino couldn't find it but I decided to go through the last month's letters (dear god, 1,000 in the last week...) until I found it.
Dude... you realize there are several filtering options for letters? Including filtering by Sender? If you were looking for a letter from Erasmus you could have just filtered by Sender: Erasmus and it would have literally shown you all letters you got from him in the past X number of days. Which, I'm sure would have narrowed it down a LOT. Unless he was sending you 1,000's of letters...
In regards to Erasmus, Kale had been aware for quite a while that Erasmus had a penchant for killing/torturing adventurers. I think most people who were in the realm for a while had to have caught on to that after a while. But the "Huntsmen of the Noble Rite" thing came out of nowhere and I was like... "Whoa... that is fully creepy, fully weird, and fully one of the most awesome ideas/secrete societies/implementation of a secrete society I have ever heard of in BM." Bravo.
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You're !@#$ing kidding right?
...Jeeze. The damn messaging system barely works but there's a FILTER? !@#$, that would have been nice to know, oh, THREE MONTHS AGO.
/Rage
Meh, oh well. You learn something new every day. :-P
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You're !@#$ing kidding right?
...Jeeze. The damn messaging system barely works but there's a FILTER? !@#$, that would have been nice to know, oh, THREE MONTHS AGO.
/Rage
Meh, oh well. You learn something new every day. :-P
LOL. On the right hand side of the message page, dawg.
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Wow, now I feel really honored that all the RP I had invested into Gorbag did not simply die with him. It contributed in creating something much bigger than himself! I always wondered, what was the reaction of the Ruler and General of the realm after his death? He was technically under their protection, after all.
You should, Gorebag was a brilliant hunt, and all us Huntsmen were seriously hooked to BM because we were awaiting results. Gorebag definitely lives on, he's always used as an example for new members. Cato used his example as a main focus for a section when teaching his initiate hunters. All the major hunts live on though, but yes, Gorebag is definitely the best known hunt. By far the most entertaining because of the amount of time it took. Those watching were kept in absolute suspense.
Cato never really did anything badass, a lot of beat downs but he's only responsible for one kill. He's kind of a tool, hence my new avatar. Cato formed his own chapter and brought in hunters, they all went their own ways with what they wanted. Solaria was never shy to killing peasants, that was going on beforehand. So it wasn't hard for us to fit in there. Cato had a lot of underdog wins, i.e. trying to beat up an advy and having them escape him not once but THREE TIMES IN A ROW!!! and then finally catching the bastard on the fourth try. That made Cato feel much better. I remember once he was merciful to an advy because she actually listened to him after the administration of an asswhooping on her, she apologized TO HIM and left his region. That was very smart. Even when he had a chance to beat her up again, he let her go, because he found her intelligence attractive. He's secretly in love with her but he dare not speak it, for fear of repercussions. Sometimes he would stand on the balcony of his manor and look out over Nid Tek and shed a tear for his adventurous love knowing that they could never be together.
Not all of the Huntsmen are as bat!@#$ crazy like Erasmus, Cato's just a dumbass that's in love with a commoner. 8)
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Damn, never thought losing an adventurer with 3 recommendations, 100% weapon equipment and ~50% adventurer gear (likely swordsfighting skill close to 100%) would actually end up being so fun. ;D
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Gorbag was actually what led to its creation. When Erasmus came to Dwilight it was on some fool's errand to kill a distant related adventurer (his original RP when joining Terran), which he claimed was dishonoring the family name, but the rest of the family thought it unimportant and thought Erasmus dishonorable for leaving the family's home realm, Suville, during a time of war. He never got him (it was someone else in my family who was paused), and felt unfulfilled but stayed in Terran. He already resented adventurers because of his jealously towards the way his older brother Jareth treated the house servant Reynard ( he felt Jareth treated him like more of a brother than Erasmus), SO when Gorbag came along with an item named after the region he was lord of, then chose to take a better offer, and Erasmus later found out he gave an item to the daimons (who he also began hating after their rampages in Terran) for free, He asked for Gorbag to be punished. The Ruler and General at the time( I'm guessing who you ended up selling the item to) both declared Gorbag under their protection. So Erasmus became enraged and decided he would find a way to kill him himself and all his enemies, so he supported the current judge to become Duke, and then after he stepped down Erasmus ran and won judge on a coinflip. He was also an avid hunter and talked about it often, so he created the Huntsmen of Noble Right to combine business and pleasure :) Gorbag was the first kill and it took a lot of time, effort and dirty tricks to get him.
At first Erasmus only executed those who talked back, offended him or others, or spread rumors about him; bloodhunts as we called them, and those were the ones we took trophies from. The rest we would beat up (several times if we could to the same guy) or arrest and torture them-- some got tortured over a 7 or 8 times before they were released, and a few were caught again and tortured further. Later on, the Ruler sent Erasmus a message telling him he knew about what he was doing and didn't mind, but too many stories were coming back to him so he should just execute them all and save time and trouble; Erasmus said "This is obvious BS to protect the Ruler and the realm's reputation, but, hey, why not." and complied. Then the executions started to pile up. Another member of the Huntsmen in Solaria eventually became judge also, and even though he wasn't judge for long, he did a lot of work over there, and our Hunting Records list became very long :)
Well, all that crap certainly makes me feel better about getting the Zuma to attack Terran. Not that I felt even vaguely bad about it before, of course.
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Hehe, so that referendum Shino put out to remove Terran from the 'moot?
Results:
Referendum Results (12 hours, 5 minutes ago)
The referendum "Veinsormoot removal" has ended. Here is the final tally:
8 votes for yes
7 votes for no
0 abstentions
0 votes were not cast.
The winning choice is therefore yes, with 8 votes. A simple majority was required (i.e., 1 votes).
As a reminder, the full text of the referendum was:
Vote yes to remove Terran from the 'moot.
Vote no to stay in the 'moot.
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Wow, so even Terran doesn't want to be in the Veinsormoot? It's kind of amazing how quick the Veinsormoot crumbled when it faced its first real challenge.
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Wow, so even Terran doesn't want to be in the Veinsormoot? It's kind of amazing how quick the Veinsormoot crumbled when it faced its first real challenge.
Shino started that referendum. He said Barca was a shattered realm that had reduced themselves to using the Zuma to fight, and that D'Hara was going to receive help from Aurvandil, who hated Terran. Shino wanted a better alliance with Asylon, since Glaumring is no longer ruler. But, someone must have gotten pissed about that, as someone forged a letter that had Shino talking about rebellion with the support of Asylon, basically using everything Shino talked about in the Senate as reasons why to rebel against the current administration. Clever, I must say, but it's funny how a few people are willing to believe a letter that we have no idea where it came from then a corroborated letter from the King of Asylon himself saying we had never spoken.
Shino... He has his enemies. :/
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So, just on your word Terran voted to remove themselves from an organisation they've been in for how many years?
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So, just on your word Terran voted to remove themselves from an organisation they've been in for how many years?
He was a Senator. He STARTED the referendum. Shino is not a man of patience.
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Shino started that referendum. He said Barca was a shattered realm that had reduced themselves to using the Zuma to fight, and that D'Hara was going to receive help from Aurvandil, who hated Terran.
I don't know who told you that D'hara was going to receive help from Aurvandil but from what I know that is quite untrue.
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Weird. Who voted yes? Everyone in the Senate agreed Shino's a dumbass for proposing that. I know Erasmus wanted us away from the 'Moot, but who else?
The plot thickens evermore... I saw and heard absolutely no support for leaving the 'Moot during Senate talks. Why the sudden change of heart?
I think all this chaos has done much to sway Terran nobles from their once adamantly-held attitudes... This is a time of great change in our nation and I hope only good comes of it. I will do all in my power to make sure only good comes of it.
Paladin Alura, awaaaaaaaaaaay!~
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It was our understanding that D'hara and Aurvandil are now allies.
As I said in the Senate, Aurvandil, if it is true, is only protecting their own interests again the Lurias. They don't care to protect D'hara, they just want to take D'haran land for their own. :P I SINCERELY doubt any such alliance will exist the moment Luria ceases its invasion. That will be the moment Aurvandil re-declares war on D'hara and goes, "Now that our competitors are defeated, its time to return to our previous matters. Oh, our armies are already in D'haran lands? How convenient."
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I don't know who told you that D'hara was going to receive help from Aurvandil but from what I know that is quite untrue.
Aurvandil ruler said they will help D'Hara against the Luria's. Life or death, D'Hara isn't going to die and just NOT take Aurvandil's help. Well, at least that was Shino's thinking at the time.
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Weird. Who voted yes? Everyone in the Senate agreed Shino's a dumbass for proposing that. I know Erasmus wanted us away from the 'Moot, but who else?
The way I see it, Kas, Octavian, Erasmus, and Shino. Probably Roaven too.
Kale, Hireshmont, Labell, Dallas, and I guess Alura voted no. So there are about 5 votes unaccounted for.
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To be honest I don't do enough with my realm's politics to know for sure, so it may be possible.
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No, I'm with Perth and those who think we should stay in the Moot. Hell, we ARE the Moot. We can't LEAVE the Moot. We can DISBAND the Moot, but we can't leave the damn thing, lol.
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No, I'm with Perth and those who think we should stay in the Moot. Hell, we ARE the Moot. We can't LEAVE the Moot. We can DISBAND the Moot, but we can't leave the damn thing, lol.
If Terran leaves the 'moot, it is practically disbanded. If Barca gets thrown out, it gets turned into a D'Hara-Terran lovefest, and essentially ends the 'moot. If Barca/D'Hara(or both) die, the 'moot pretty much ends.
So, the 'moot is probably going to end one way or another. Shino was just hoping to do it now before Terran starts taking blows as well as their federated partners.
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The Moot need not end, fool. The Moot can be rebuilt and expanded. Barca's time is limited no matter which way you throw the dice. The Zuma only delay the inevitable annihilation of their shattered state. And what's wrong with a Terran-D'hara lovefest? We can always bring Asylon back in and make it a threesome. ;-)
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The Moot need not end, fool. The Moot can be rebuilt and expanded. Barca's time is limited no matter which way you throw the dice. The Zuma only delay the inevitable annihilation of their shattered state. And what's wrong with a Terran-D'hara lovefest? We can always bring Asylon back in and make it a threesome. ;-)
Yes, I agree the 'moot can be re-structred, and strengthened, and bringing Asylon in would greatly strengthen the 'moot. However, the leaders of Terran seem resigned to the status quo, which is partially why this uproar is happening in the first place.
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Later on, the Ruler sent Erasmus a message telling him he knew about what he was doing and didn't mind, but too many stories were coming back to him so he should just execute them all and save time and trouble; Erasmus said "This is obvious BS to protect the Ruler and the realm's reputation, but, hey, why not." and complied. Then the executions started to pile up.
Which didn't have the effect I was hoping for, unfortunately. I was hoping that I could push Erasmus over a brink where the bodies would pile up so much, folks would complain more, and/or Erasmus' H/P would put him below election requirements. Didn't work out that way.
Plus Hireshmont was just trying to keep the realm in one piece, aimed at Aurvandil, so he was putting up with a lot.
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Tsk tsk tsk. Misguided... But noble. Ish.
Lets see what happens next. :-) I hope Perth stays in office for a while still. I'd like to see what a new General might bring to the table but I think Perth still has quite a bit of fight in him so long as RL stops kicking his schedule's ass.
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Well, the charges against Shino have been dropped. :D
Can't use my four page trial defense though. :(
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Well, the charges against Shino have been dropped. :D
Can't use my four page trial defense though. :(
Heh.
He better tread carefully though: Hireshmont and Co. would love an excuse to purge a few more malcontents!
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Aka Shino, stfu. :P
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Heh.
He better tread carefully though: Hireshmont and Co. would love an excuse to purge a few more malcontents!
Vellos is just sore that more Senators like Shino's proposals then Hireshmont's. :P
I am glad you said 'Hireshmont and Co.'. Because that is what it is. A bunch of old fogeys ready to stick to the status quo until the status quo bites them on the ass. ::)
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Bah! I just want my damn land and army back so I can start working toward improving Terran. Y'all can bitch and moan all you want like haggard old women, I'll be off building new recruitment centers and gathering food for the conquest. SOMEONE has to do some bloody work here...
Also, I'm PISSED. Out of nowhere my assassin-to-be got really badly injured and the reports are saying he's going to die if he doesn't get medical attention. Suddenly, seriously injured in critical condition, wounds worsening. The !@#$? I wasn't aware of any battles going on in friggin' REMTON, the capitol of Arcaea. Can it be that practice duel I accepted?
Or... At least... I hope it was a practice duel. >_> I don't think someone would death-duel me out of nowhere and without any RP or warning, would they? Especially since the guy who dueled me is a high-ranking noble in Arcaea and I think is actually my Lord, heh.
F*ck. I guess I'll find out in a few turns when his wounds get better.
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I am glad you said 'Hireshmont and Co.'. Because that is what it is. A bunch of old fogeys ready to stick to the status quo until the status quo bites them on the ass. ::)
I ignored the first status quo comment, but I'll bite for this one.
How, in any way, is Terran leadership trying to "stick to the status quo"? We intend to take incorporate Barcan and D'Haran territory into Terran. Until the famine and long winter hit we intended to try to either end or severely damage Aurvandil, we broke off our friendship with Asylon, we eagerly began a potentially destructive war with Kabrinskia, we then won that war, ended it, and proceeded to repair relations with the Astrocracies. We were forging relations with the Lurias in what would have been the first large joint affair between two of the three big powerblocks in a joint 'Moot-Luria war on Aurvandil (though it backfired, of course).
I'm not seeing how the Terran leadership is "status quo" when they have done nothing but pursue ways to change things up. Just cause some of us are against not outright abandoning our only two allies on the continent doesn't mean we're "status quo."
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Bah! I just want my damn land and army back so I can start working toward improving Terran. Y'all can bitch and moan all you want like haggard old women, I'll be off building new recruitment centers and gathering food for the conquest. SOMEONE has to do some bloody work here...
Also, I'm PISSED. Out of nowhere my assassin-to-be got really badly injured and the reports are saying he's going to die if he doesn't get medical attention. Suddenly, seriously injured in critical condition, wounds worsening. The !@#$? I wasn't aware of any battles going on in friggin' REMTON, the capitol of Arcaea. Can it be that practice duel I accepted?
Or... At least... I hope it was a practice duel. >_> I don't think someone would death-duel me out of nowhere and without any RP or warning, would they? Especially since the guy who dueled me is a high-ranking noble in Arcaea and I think is actually my Lord, heh.
F*ck. I guess I'll find out in a few turns when his wounds get better.
You can't die from wounds. If you die, it'll be instant.
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I ignored the first status quo comment, but I'll bite for this one.
How, in any way, is Terran leadership trying to "stick to the status quo"? We intend to take incorporate Barcan and D'Haran territory into Terran. Until the famine and long winter hit we intended to try to either end or severely damage Aurvandil, we broke off our friendship with Asylon, we eagerly began a potentially destructive war with Kabrinskia, we then won that war, ended it, and proceeded to repair relations with the Astrocracies. We were forging relations with the Lurias in what would have been the first large joint affair between two of the three big powerblocks in a joint 'Moot-Luria war on Aurvandil (though it backfired, of course).
I'm not seeing how the Terran leadership is "status quo" when they have done nothing but pursue ways to change things up. Just cause some of us are against not outright abandoning our only two allies on the continent doesn't mean we're "status quo."
My god... Can nobody fight a war on there own without some shAtamara style alliance gangbang
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Well, you could always invite Kabrinskia into the 'Moot. I mean, it isn't like we don't have any nobles of ours in the guild already, like Gustav, or (until recently a member the realm) Allison... oh, wait a minute...
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My god... Can nobody fight a war on there own without some shAtamara style alliance gangbang
Taffer, not on Dwilight, not against three MASSIVE powers like the SA, the Lurias, or to a much lesser extent, Aurvandil. Its mathematically impossible to fight a 1 vs "1" battle with any of these powers.
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You can't die from wounds. If you die, it'll be instant.
I know, I simply quoted the report. :-)
Wounds Worsening (39 minutes ago)
Unfortunately, the healers say your condition is deteriorating.
Your wounds have gotten infected, and they're going to have to operate soon or you could die.
Your wounds are still very serious, and you are slipping in and out of consciousness. The healers are doing their best, and say they think you will probably recover, but they cannot tell you how long it may be.
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My god... Can nobody fight a war on there own without some shAtamara style alliance gangbang
You try to make yourselves out to be the biggest military badasses around, then bitch when people take that seriously and ally against you? Take pride that it takes more than a single realm to defeat you, don't piss and moan about it.
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I ignored the first status quo comment, but I'll bite for this one.
How, in any way, is Terran leadership trying to "stick to the status quo"? We intend to take incorporate Barcan and D'Haran territory into Terran. Until the famine and long winter hit we intended to try to either end or severely damage Aurvandil, we broke off our friendship with Asylon, we eagerly began a potentially destructive war with Kabrinskia, we then won that war, ended it, and proceeded to repair relations with the Astrocracies. We were forging relations with the Lurias in what would have been the first large joint affair between two of the three big powerblocks in a joint 'Moot-Luria war on Aurvandil (though it backfired, of course).
I'm not seeing how the Terran leadership is "status quo" when they have done nothing but pursue ways to change things up. Just cause some of us are against not outright abandoning our only two allies on the continent doesn't mean we're "status quo."
Ah, but you want to keep yourselves in power, not hand it all over to newcomers!
That means you're The Man, and your reign is, by definition, the status quo!
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How, in any way, is Terran leadership trying to "stick to the status quo"? We intend to take incorporate Barcan and D'Haran territory into Terran. Until the famine and long winter hit we intended to try to either end or severely damage Aurvandil, we broke off our friendship with Asylon, we eagerly began a potentially destructive war with Kabrinskia, we then won that war, ended it, and proceeded to repair relations with the Astrocracies. We were forging relations with the Lurias in what would have been the first large joint affair between two of the three big powerblocks in a joint 'Moot-Luria war on Aurvandil (though it backfired, of course).
I'm not seeing how the Terran leadership is "status quo" when they have done nothing but pursue ways to change things up. Just cause some of us are against not outright abandoning our only two allies on the continent doesn't mean we're "status quo."
1. Taking incorporate Barca and D'Hara land was, in fact, Shino's idea. And, if it wasn't his idea, he was the first person to say it in the Senate(and often and loudly I might add). AND neither Kale nor Hireshmont seemed to like the idea as I recall. I believe one of them referred to Shino as a backstabber and lowly. Can't remember which.
2. We didn't try to severely damage Aurvandil, Aurvandil tried to beat the !@#$ out of Barca and then we decided to jump in(more like we had to given 'moot rules). You could make an argument that we didn't but we all knew that, in the long run, they were gonna keep pummeling their neighbors, and so we decided to band together.
3. We began a war over our own territory with Kabrinskia, and in that war we sought to take no land, just defend the land that was ours, in other words, keep a pre-war status quo. Whether I liked the war or not is besides the question, the Kabrinskian war literally reeks of status quo.
4. Reforged relationships with the Astrocracies to go back to the pre-war status quo.
5. The Luria thing was the one thing that can be said that was outside the realm of the normal. Claps and hearty congratulations for that.
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You try to make yourselves out to be the biggest military badasses around, then bitch when people take that seriously and ally against you? Take pride that it takes more than a single realm to defeat you, don't piss and moan about it.
We really have not put that much effort into it, we just have some selfless nobles, vaguely effective leadership and slightly better than mediocre regions. THe only real effort we put in is turning up everyday to follow orders. I really don't get how much the rest of Dwilight seems to think we do all this !@#$ to make ourselfs great because we really, really don't.
But my complaint was about how in battlemaster it is rare for any realm to declare war without finding a group of freinds to declare with it. Having diplomacy and allies is fine but christ... If we wern't such military badasses neither of us would be having any fun playing this game
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But my complaint was about how in battlemaster it is rare for any realm to declare war without finding a group of freinds to declare with it. Having diplomacy and allies is fine but christ... If we wern't such military badasses neither of us would be having any fun playing this game
You said it yourself: they're not friends, they're allies.
Finding and keeping allies is not something that is done on the side for powergaming purposes. It IS the game.
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Yup. Aurvandil could easily seek some allies as well. With such a charming ruler they must be piling up in eager anticipation already. ;)
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Aurvandil is the greatest realm in BM, everyone else sucks, and I don't know why you team up to destroy our awesome realm. Go back to your hovels from whence you came and bow!
What I read. :P
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It was our understanding that D'hara and Aurvandil are now allies.
And yet a quick perusal of the Diplomacy page would show you that our status is currently "war".
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And yet a quick perusal of the Diplomacy page would show you that our status is currently "war".
Only a Machiavellic plot to deceive poor honest realms! 8)
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Only a Machiavellic plot to deceive poor honest realms! 8)
He's no longer active in D'Hara. I need to exile him, actually. Still debating it.
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But my complaint was about how in battlemaster it is rare for any realm to declare war without finding a group of freinds to declare with it. Having diplomacy and allies is fine but christ... If we wern't such military badasses neither of us would be having any fun playing this game
It would be so great if it were possible to just have one on one wars in this game, but in truth having a one on one war and keeping it that way are both a lot of work. Even if you want to keep it mano a mano, you have to account for the other side's efforts to stack the odds in their favor, which means doing a lot of preparatory diplomacy to secure commitments from other realms to, at the very least, keep their noses out of it, and then convincing them to stick to those commitments which requires ongoing effort. And if you're going to go that far, why not go a bit further and just get them to help you in the first place?
Aurvandil and Mendicant choose to be iconoclastic. They choose to go their own way and not spend much effort cultivating friends and allies. That's fine, but the natural consequence of doing so is that you will very rarely ever find yourself fighting a one on one war, especially since there is no realm on Dwilight that can take Aurvandil one on one.
In the end, Battlemaster is about winning wars. You don't generally win wars if you aren't in the business of seeking every possible advantage over your enemy that you can find. That's why diplomacy and alliance building are such an important part of the game.
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1. Taking incorporate Barca and D'Hara land was, in fact, Shino's idea. And, if it wasn't his idea, he was the first person to say it in the Senate(and often and loudly I might add). AND neither Kale nor Hireshmont seemed to like the idea as I recall. I believe one of them referred to Shino as a backstabber and lowly. Can't remember which.
2. We didn't try to severely damage Aurvandil, Aurvandil tried to beat the !@#$ out of Barca and then we decided to jump in(more like we had to given 'moot rules). You could make an argument that we didn't but we all knew that, in the long run, they were gonna keep pummeling their neighbors, and so we decided to band together.
3. We began a war over our own territory with Kabrinskia, and in that war we sought to take no land, just defend the land that was ours, in other words, keep a pre-war status quo. Whether I liked the war or not is besides the question, the Kabrinskian war literally reeks of status quo.
4. Reforged relationships with the Astrocracies to go back to the pre-war status quo.
5. The Luria thing was the one thing that can be said that was outside the realm of the normal. Claps and hearty congratulations for that.
1. Taking Thysan is not really a radical change on any meaningful timescale; Thysan was a long-time holding of Terran until we gave it to Barca. Paisland is fairly radical, but, still. Sure, Shino advocated it: and failed. If it happens, it won't be because he advocated it: it's because leaders in Barca and D'hara asked Hireshmont to do it. The correlation between your opinions and reality does not necessary mean you caused it.
2. You say this with your grand knowledge. Because obviously there was never any plan to attack Aurvandil. Surely not. Surely Hireshmont hadn't been trying to gradually win the respect and support of the entire continent. Surely Hireshmont didn't just make a highly politicized conversion under the auspices of the prophet himself. Surely Terran didn't just succeed in simultaneously being the first realm to ever launch aggression against Astrocracies and win. Surely that wasn't a ploy to win their respect and try to destabilize Allison, nullifying the northern threat. Surely solidifying the alliance with Asylon wasn't part of that plan (it was, obviously: but Glaumring and his Aurvandil-love-affair sabotaged that pretty well). Surely the next part of the plan wasn't to buff up relations with Astrum, Corsanctum, and Morek. Surely we weren't already getting friendlier with the Lurias. Surely Hireshmont hasn't been hawking against Aurvandil since long before the war with Kabrinskia.
Oh wait, all of that is actually the case. Aurvandil's attack hastened a war we all knew was coming. You are entirely ignorant of any of the history that's actually behind the present war and the diplomatic preparations for it; you cannot presume to be able to state what it's about. If it was about saving Barca, we'd be done: Barca was going to get terms. We pressured Barca into abandoning those negotiations because we believed we had Lurian support, and because none of us saw the Long Winter coming.
3. Again, you are entirely ignorant of why we fought Kabrinskia. Sure, the public cassus belli was about sovereignty and all that. But ultimately we did it to get some field training with Barca, flex some muscle, destabilize Kabrinskia and delegitimize Allison (though we didn't think we'd be able to remove her totally; that was a lucky break), and strengthen our ties to Asylon. The idea was that with the north stabilized and the Astroist realms respecting both our warmaking capabilities and our diplomacy, realms like Morek and Astrum would hop on board. Crucially, that's not an impossibility, even now. Unfortunately, Glaumring's catastrophic bungling sabotaged much of this plan, and Aurvandil's pre-emptive strike crippled us. Everything depended on Lurian involvement at that point... and then they betrayed us. It was a neatly stacked house of cards that was nearly complete... when it came tumbling down to the tune of moans of starvation.
4. Oh yeah, because, status quo, Astrocracies were offering us military aid in wars. Not. Again, you're exceptionally near-sighted in these assertions: Terran's relationships did not return to "status quo antebellum." Our war with Kabrinskia won us many new friends throughout Astroism and made those relationships arguably stronger than before.
5. Well thanks, but you're not quite imaginative enough if you think "the Luria thing" was an isolated incident.
Terran's golden oldies are where they are for a reason: we're all playing a long game. Before Aurvandil, the long-game was "Get the Moot big enough to bully Madina, contain the Zuma, and keep our periphery cowed." After Aurvandil got pesky, the long-game became "Get the Moot stable enough and with good enough allies to remove the Aurvandi threat."
Finally, in a realm where the majority of the lords are not only new characters but new players in BM, I think it's hard to make a case we're locked in some kind of "old guard" situation. Hireshmont is in his fourth term of office (I think). That's 12 months. There are scores of rulers in BM with longer tenures than that; at least a half-dozen in Dwilight alone.
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1. Taking Thysan is not really a radical change on any meaningful timescale; Thysan was a long-time holding of Terran until we gave it to Barca. Paisland is fairly radical, but, still. Sure, Shino advocated it: and failed. If it happens, it won't be because he advocated it: it's because leaders in Barca and D'hara asked Hireshmont to do it. The correlation between your opinions and reality does not necessary mean you caused it.
2. You say this with your grand knowledge. Because obviously there was never any plan to attack Aurvandil. Surely not. Surely Hireshmont hadn't been trying to gradually win the respect and support of the entire continent. Surely Hireshmont didn't just make a highly politicized conversion under the auspices of the prophet himself. Surely Terran didn't just succeed in simultaneously being the first realm to ever launch aggression against Astrocracies and win. Surely that wasn't a ploy to win their respect and try to destabilize Allison, nullifying the northern threat. Surely solidifying the alliance with Asylon wasn't part of that plan (it was, obviously: but Glaumring and his Aurvandil-love-affair sabotaged that pretty well). Surely the next part of the plan wasn't to buff up relations with Astrum, Corsanctum, and Morek. Surely we weren't already getting friendlier with the Lurias. Surely Hireshmont hasn't been hawking against Aurvandil since long before the war with Kabrinskia.
Oh wait, all of that is actually the case. Aurvandil's attack hastened a war we all knew was coming. You are entirely ignorant of any of the history that's actually behind the present war and the diplomatic preparations for it; you cannot presume to be able to state what it's about. If it was about saving Barca, we'd be done: Barca was going to get terms. We pressured Barca into abandoning those negotiations because we believed we had Lurian support, and because none of us saw the Long Winter coming.
3. Again, you are entirely ignorant of why we fought Kabrinskia. Sure, the public cassus belli was about sovereignty and all that. But ultimately we did it to get some field training with Barca, flex some muscle, destabilize Kabrinskia and delegitimize Allison (though we didn't think we'd be able to remove her totally; that was a lucky break), and strengthen our ties to Asylon. The idea was that with the north stabilized and the Astroist realms respecting both our warmaking capabilities and our diplomacy, realms like Morek and Astrum would hop on board. Crucially, that's not an impossibility, even now. Unfortunately, Glaumring's catastrophic bungling sabotaged much of this plan, and Aurvandil's pre-emptive strike crippled us. Everything depended on Lurian involvement at that point... and then they betrayed us. It was a neatly stacked house of cards that was nearly complete... when it came tumbling down to the tune of moans of starvation.
4. Oh yeah, because, status quo, Astrocracies were offering us military aid in wars. Not. Again, you're exceptionally near-sighted in these assertions: Terran's relationships did not return to "status quo antebellum." Our war with Kabrinskia won us many new friends throughout Astroism and made those relationships arguably stronger than before.
5. Well thanks, but you're not quite imaginative enough if you think "the Luria thing" was an isolated incident.
Terran's golden oldies are where they are for a reason: we're all playing a long game. Before Aurvandil, the long-game was "Get the Moot big enough to bully Madina, contain the Zuma, and keep our periphery cowed." After Aurvandil got pesky, the long-game became "Get the Moot stable enough and with good enough allies to remove the Aurvandi threat."
Finally, in a realm where the majority of the lords are not only new characters but new players in BM, I think it's hard to make a case we're locked in some kind of "old guard" situation. Hireshmont is in his fourth term of office (I think). That's 12 months. There are scores of rulers in BM with longer tenures than that; at least a half-dozen in Dwilight alone.
1. Failed because the administration wasn't willing to take the step, and in fact disparaged him for suggesting it. Not because it wasn't a good idea/logical. Hence, allies asking us to do it.
2. Astrocracies were always going to fight Aurvandil. Aurvandil hates the Astrocracies and vice versa. In my opinion, it was inevitable. We got Allison out of power, sure... Where she promptly came to Terran via the treaty and is probably plotting to use the Zuma and the Luria's as well as Kabrinskia et al to destroy the 'moot. Terran didn't launch an aggression against the Astrocracies, as Hireshmont never fails to point out. They launched an aggression against Kabrinskia. And we won not because we beat them, in fact, I recall losing a fairly big battle just before the treaty talk started. We won because they allowed us to, and because Allison probably has something up her sleeve. She always does.
3. Okay, I can see you logic behind going to war with Kabrinskia to gain the respect of the Astrocracies to use that against Aurvandil. Two big problems though: Terran's war making ability stinks in part because our RC's suck and our Senate keeps putting that off until some later date, and Barca didn't gain any noteworthy experience from the war. Second one isn't Hireshmont's fault, first one is(at least in part).
4. The only way you could call them our friends if you go with 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'. If you do, then it is true, we are friends. But as I have said before, Aurvandil and the Astrocracies are bound to collide sooner or later. They are complete opposites and hate each other and sooner or later that is going to turn into a conflict.
5. Nor do I. But you built your house of cards on a windy day and hoped that it wouldn't fall down. But, due to a series of unfortunate events that weren't quite under your control, they did fall.
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Finally, in a realm where the majority of the lords are not only new characters but new players in BM, I think it's hard to make a case we're locked in some kind of "old guard" situation. Hireshmont is in his fourth term of office (I think). That's 12 months. There are scores of rulers in BM with longer tenures than that; at least a half-dozen in Dwilight alone.
Not to mention Kale has only been Magistrate of War for not even ONE full term. Not to mention he supports young, new players into positions of power quite quickly ALL the time. He directly supported Alura into a Senatorship a month into her joining the game. Then made her Vice Marshal of the Pride, and then Marshal within two months. Hell, he did the same thing with Shino! Directly endorsed him into a Senatorship and into a Marshalship.
But yeah honestly of all the realms I've played in on BM, Terran has to be the least "old boys club" realm I've ever encountered.
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Shino's Crap
Again, are you arguing all of it failed or are you arguing it was all attempting to maintain the "Status Quo?" Because they are two different things. I won't argue that any or all of it worked as planned or did exactly what it was supposed to do. I WILL argue that none of it was meant to sustain the "status quo" or cement power structures.
If you think Terran leadership is incompetent fine, but to say we only work to maintain the status quo is just simply untrue and a bit insulting to everything Terran has been or is.
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Not to mention Kale has only been Magistrate of War for not even ONE full term. Not to mention he supports young, new players into positions of power quite quickly ALL the time. He directly supported Alura into a Senatorship a month into her joining the game. Then made her Vice Marshal of the Pride, and then Marshal within two months. Hell, he did the same thing with Shino! Directly endorsed him into a Senatorship and into a Marshalship.
But yeah honestly of all the realms I've played in on BM, Terran has to be the least "old boys club" realm I've ever encountered.
Yes, there is definitely some young blood in Terran, and some of them in positions. That is partially because we have so much young blood that it would be impossible not to give them a position though.
True. Shino actually is very grateful to Kale, and likes Kale. But Kale doesn't like Shino anymore...
@Second Perth post: Diplomatically, Terran was not status quo(even though I think they did some things right and some things wrong). That can be agreed upon. Strength-wise, both of Terran and the 'moot, Terran was very status quo.
Terran's leaders aren't incompetent. Kale is a good General, Erasmus was a wicked Judge, but he knew what he was doing, and if anything else Terran has proved that we can move food around using our Banker with the best of them. And, I personally even think Hireshmont knows what he is doing, and that it may even end up being the best thing for Terran! But Shino is impatient and well... Doesn't believe that.
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What I read. :P
Yeah don't kid yourself, even with the Lurias you'd have trouble taking us. Thats not what I was talking about at all.
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Yeah don't kid yourself, even with the Lurias you'd have trouble taking us. Thats not what I was talking about at all.
No doubt. However, Aurvandil doesn't fight two front wars well. Which is why, at least I guess, that they have their little secession state.
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Again, are you arguing all of it failed or are you arguing it was all attempting to maintain the "Status Quo?" Because they are two different things. I won't argue that any or all of it worked as planned or did exactly what it was supposed to do. I WILL argue that none of it was meant to sustain the "status quo" or cement power structures.
If you think Terran leadership is incompetent fine, but to say we only work to maintain the status quo is just simply untrue and a bit insulting to everything Terran has been or is.
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I'll note that all of your responses amount to refuting none of my points. You can say Aurvandil and the Astrocracies are bound to conflict: you're wrong, they're not. There is no inevitability. There's not even any real reason they should conflict, especially not now. Maybe in some post-Moot, post-Lurian Dwilight, an Astro-Aurvandi war would be very hard to prevent: but for now, the whole inertia of Dwilight is against war with Aurvandil. Getting Astrocracies to fight Aurvandil is not in any way a "status quo" move.
Sure, we haven't succeeded in accomplishing that. But I will note that the current state of the Moot, insofar as it is attributable to anything other than the Long Winter, is because of attempts to shake up the status quo. If we'd wanted to create a stable status quo with few threats to our power, we would have pushed Barca to make concessions to avoid war: that was a very real option (and one many in the Moot wanted). But we didn't want to preserve the status quo. We wanted to shake up Dwilight.
And behold! We succeeded. Not in the way I personally wanted (broken Moot, discredited Hireshmont, fractured alliances... not his goal), but I think it's hard to argue that southwest Dwilight is currently in a state of dull status quo-ism. I think that's the furthest thing from the truth.
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Terran didn't launch an aggression against the Astrocracies, as Hireshmont never fails to point out. They launched an aggression against Kabrinskia. And we won not because we beat them, in fact, I recall losing a fairly big battle just before the treaty talk started. We won because they allowed us to, and because Allison probably has something up her sleeve. She always does.
I got the best possible outcome for Kabrinskia. I didn't /need/ to be ruler of Kabrinksia. It sucks being tied down and being responsible fora whole realm. A lot of nobles followed me and I got them into powerful positions when we built Kabrinskia. My leaving and the strings I pulled tied Corsanctum, Astrum Kabrinskia and Iashalur into a federation. My power and authority isn't because I ruled a realm. Kabrinskia doesn't need Allison and Allison doesn't need Kabrinskia. Terran can spin it however they want. Kabrinskia held its own against 3 other realms and really a 4th since we had to keep so much militia in Golden Farrow as a deterrent to keep D'hara at bay. That militia cost us about 1/3 of Golden Farrows income. I was simply waiting for someone involved to make a mistake. Asylon was the first one to do it and so I did whatever it took to stop the other wars and concentrate on just one enemy. No one could have predicted that I would put Lysander in charge and simply walk away from Kabrinskia.
p.s. Of course Allison has something up her sleeve. She is always trying to do something or other. Working with Allison can be a great way to gain power and prestige. I could give many examples, but not everyone wants to be publicly associated with Allison.
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1. Failed because the administration wasn't willing to take the step, and in fact disparaged him for suggesting it. Not because it wasn't a good idea/logical. Hence, allies asking us to do it.
2. Astrocracies were always going to fight Aurvandil. Aurvandil hates the Astrocracies and vice versa. In my opinion, it was inevitable. We got Allison out of power, sure... Where she promptly came to Terran via the treaty and is probably plotting to use the Zuma and the Luria's as well as Kabrinskia et al to destroy the 'moot. Terran didn't launch an aggression against the Astrocracies, as Hireshmont never fails to point out. They launched an aggression against Kabrinskia. And we won not because we beat them, in fact, I recall losing a fairly big battle just before the treaty talk started. We won because they allowed us to, and because Allison probably has something up her sleeve. She always does.
3. Okay, I can see you logic behind going to war with Kabrinskia to gain the respect of the Astrocracies to use that against Aurvandil. Two big problems though: Terran's war making ability stinks in part because our RC's suck and our Senate keeps putting that off until some later date, and Barca didn't gain any noteworthy experience from the war. Second one isn't Hireshmont's fault, first one is(at least in part).
4. The only way you could call them our friends if you go with 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'. If you do, then it is true, we are friends. But as I have said before, Aurvandil and the Astrocracies are bound to collide sooner or later. They are complete opposites and hate each other and sooner or later that is going to turn into a conflict.
5. Nor do I. But you built your house of cards on a windy day and hoped that it wouldn't fall down. But, due to a series of unfortunate events that weren't quite under your control, they did fall.
Allison had something up her sleeve. She accomplished her goal in signing that treaty for the most part, which was to further Kabrinskia's interests. You may think of what happened as a victory for Terran, but it was also a victory for Allison and Kabrinskia. Everyone got something they wanted. Whatever Allison does now will be something that she decided to do after the fact. I think she's between enemies right now, which makes her possibly one of the single most dangerous things on Dwilight. Sort of like a homing missile that hasn't picked anything to lock onto yet. With the Magistratum trial finally starting up, I predict that it will soon be the Church in her cross-hairs. In the meantime, Terran should be spared as long as they don't go out of their way to antagonize her.
I think you overstate things regarding Aurvandil. If Aurvandil does hate Sanguis Astroism, they have been careful not to say so. Very careful in fact. If Aurvandil wanted conflict with the Church, they could have had it last week when they declared war on Kabrinskia in order to arrest a Kabrinskian priest in Candiels. Instead the High Sovereign was careful (for him, that is) to emphasize that he was uninterested in conflict and quick to offer increased relations. Lysander even got a polite thank you once he agreed to raise relations, which he did hesitate to do. As for us, again, Aurvandil handed us all the Casus Belli we could ever need last week when they declared war on Kabrinskia without warning. If the situation was as much of a powder keg as you are insinuating, it should have blown up. Instead it went out with a whimper. A Crusade could certainly happen, but it's not inevitable; it depends on someone (or more likely, many someones) doing a lot of work to stir up antipathy, argue a case, get all the Elders and rulers on board, and on Aurvandil doing and saying things that can be put to use by demagogues to whip up the faithful. Hireshmont is doing what he can, but it is difficult work for someone like him who doesn't have strong connections with the elites in the Church, isn't well known by the rank and file, and is widely considered to have joined the Church for political reasons. When Hireshmont talks about a Crusade, we all know it's not his righteous faith that motivates him.
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I'm very much enjoying this thread, and I'm not the moderator (of this sub forum), but I'll nonetheless issue a plea for folks to ratchet the tension down a bit. The forums are more enjoyable for everyone when people can take the edge off their posts.
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You can say Aurvandil and the Astrocracies are bound to conflict: you're wrong, they're not. There is no inevitability. There's not even any real reason they should conflict, especially not now.
Which is why this is the best time for it!
I think you overstate things regarding Aurvandil. If Aurvandil does hate Sanguis Astroism, they have been careful not to say so.
Brance talked to Mendicant a LONG time ago. Back when Aurvandil was first formed. There were some rumors that shuffled in from Madina to check out. Mendicant made it very clear that he had a strong dislike for Sanguis Astroism. It was quite surprising since, as far as I know, Mendicant had no prior interaction with SA at all. Spent a little time in Caerwyn and a little time in LE, but then went south.
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Mendicant made it very clear that he had a strong dislike for Sanguis Astroism. It was quite surprising since, as far as I know, Mendicant had no prior interaction with SA at all. Spent a little time in Caerwyn
Well, doesn't that explain it for you?
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I'm very much enjoying this thread, and I'm not the moderator (of this sub forum), but I'll nonetheless issue a plea for folks to ratchet the tension down a bit. The forums are more enjoyable for everyone when people can take the edge off their posts.
This.
Listen, Perth, Vellos, we are going to just have to agree to disagree. I see things one way, you see things another way, and we both think we are right. Personally, I think you are great(VERY GREAT) players. But this debate has gone on long enough, we have both made our points, and I think it is time to drop it. Yeah, I could go on debating, and you could too, but that isn't going to accomplish anything, so let's drop it.
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Well, doesn't that explain it for you?
Not really. The time Mendicant spent in Caerwyn was before the "League" started spewing their poison. At the time Mendicant was in Caerwyn, Astrum and Caerwyn were still close, so far as I know. He was in Caerwyn for less than a month, at which time he joined LE. So there would have had to have been a LOT of anti-SA propaganda floating around in Caerwyn at the time.
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The issue of an SA crusade against Aurvandil isn't so much a simple matter of whether or not we think they hate us. Contrary to popular belief SA does not march on crusades at every possible opportunity, as Geronus stated it takes a lot of political will.
I certainly don't think there is a lack of material for a crusade to be launched from; apart from perhaps some new members who don't know the history I don't think anyone seriously believes Aurvandil is friendly to SA and already priests have been given official sanction to stir up trouble in Aurvandil.
However the fact remains that there is simply no political will for a true crusade to be called, as most of us are occupied with other more important matters than a distant southern realm. Perhaps when the war with Asylon is concluded and the Magistratum is over people will be bored enough to want a crusade, and even then Aurvandil would probably have to start destroying Terran and D'Hara before anyone considers them a big threat. Even Constantine doesn't particularly care much about Aurvandil at this point, and he's a lord of D'Hara.
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I see things one way, you see things another way, and we both think we are right.
But I am right.
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Brance talked to Mendicant a LONG time ago. Back when Aurvandil was first formed. There were some rumors that shuffled in from Madina to check out. Mendicant made it very clear that he had a strong dislike for Sanguis Astroism. It was quite surprising since, as far as I know, Mendicant had no prior interaction with SA at all. Spent a little time in Caerwyn and a little time in LE, but then went south.
First I've ever heard of that. Right now the best people seem to be able to come up with is that off hand comment Mendicant made about religion and a generalized "But they're Saxons!" sentiment. Lysander's holding out for a better rationale than that, but he won't stand against the tide if the Church actually decides to get moving.
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"But they're Saxons!"
But they are Saxons!
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First I've ever heard of that. Right now the best people seem to be able to come up with is that off hand comment Mendicant made about religion and a generalized "But they're Saxons!" sentiment. Lysander's holding out for a better rationale than that, but he won't stand against the tide if the Church actually decides to get moving.
Isn't there the whole "League of Free Nations" thing as well? And the fact that Mendicant apparently told Allison he would never tolerate the construction of an SA temple in his lands?
There is plenty of evidence but no one had yet brought it into one coherent case.
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@geronus: I think this was after Rowan had already died. Maybe it was while Brance was contacting all the rulers to say hi, or something.
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Isn't there the whole "League of Free Nations" thing as well?
Yes, but no one realizes that IC. Mendicant has not proclaimed the fact that he considers Aurvandil to be part of the League. The going assumption in the Church is that with Madina gone, the League has been exterminated.
There is plenty of evidence but no one had yet brought it into one coherent case.
So it would seem.
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Yes, but no one realizes that IC. Mendicant has not proclaimed the fact that he considers Aurvandil to be part of the League. The going assumption in the Church is that with Madina gone, the League has been exterminated.
Actually, I believed the 'moot received a letter indicating otherwise.
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Actually, I believed the 'moot received a letter indicating otherwise.
Ok, time to stop talking about this.
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Ok, time to stop talking about this.
Agreed. Not a topic that's on topic. :P
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But they are Saxons!
But they are not Saxons!
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Actually, I believed the 'moot received a letter indicating otherwise.
We did. And I sent it to the Elders of SA.
And they seem to have forgotten it.
*facepalm*
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Hey, we're busy people.
On a semi-related note: Illuminated Tome of the Auspicious Star
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On a semi-related note: Illuminated Tome of the Auspicious Star
Oooohhh... does it glow in the dark?
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I don't know yet. I haven't gotten my hands on it. But I would sure like to...
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Oooohhh... does it glow in the dark?
No, but it does have a magical lamp that hovers over it, continually...illuminating it.
*dons shades* YEAHHHHH
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For those unfamiliar with the term, "Illuminated", when describing a written work, means that it has illuminations in the text. Those are the pictures and/or big fancy letters that you see in medieval books and manuscripts.
For some pretty reference material, see Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminated_manuscript).
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For those unfamiliar with the term, "Illuminated", when describing a written work, means that it has illuminations in the text. Those are the pictures and/or big fancy letters that you see in medieval books and manuscripts.
For some pretty reference material, see Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminated_manuscript).
Like this?
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Like this?
...No, that's still just "lit up", not "illuminated" ;D
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...No, that's still just "lit up", not "illuminated" ;D
Oh, you mean like this: http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/explore/image/173_large.jpeg (http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/explore/image/173_large.jpeg)
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Oh, you mean like this: http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/explore/image/173_large.jpeg (http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/explore/image/173_large.jpeg)
Yep, that's the bunny.
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I was working on a template for the wiki that allowed for illuminations. Thought it would be nice for peoples books but could never get the image display formats right.
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Anyways....
Eramsus was just elected to a Lordship. *facepalm* How embarrassing.
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How the hell did that happen?
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How the hell did that happen?
*cough* Alura didn't run for Vassar. Neither did anyone else. Erasmus put his name in to run on last day. Voted for himself. Now he is Senator of Vassar.
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He trie to join SA. Sent this big "I repent!" message. Got kicked out. Rejoined. Got kicked out again.
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You mean you haven't banned him yet??
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You mean you haven't banned him yet??
Every veteran has a right to a trial in Terran, even if he is a man who prevented that right to others.
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Every veteran has a right to a trial in Terran, even if he is a man who prevented that right to others.
Fools. Even Riombara has the good sense to ban traitors like that with a simple vote in the Advisory Council.
And I guarantee you if Erasmus was a Riombaran traitor, that vote would have passed in under a day.
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Fools. Even Riombara has the good sense to ban traitors like that with a simple vote in the Advisory Council.
And I guarantee you if Erasmus was a Riombaran traitor, that vote would have passed in under a day.
Yeah, I am not sure what is taking so long. They were ready to string up Shino based off of one forged letter. Erasmus banned several lords and nobles, as well as the Chief Magistrate, and I hear nothing with regard to sentencing him. But, then again, I am not in the Senate anymore.
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Yeah, I am not sure what is taking so long. They were ready to string up Shino based off of one forged letter. Erasmus banned several lords and nobles, as well as the Chief Magistrate, and I hear nothing with regard to sentencing him. But, then again, I am not in the Senate anymore.
It's a bug preventing his banishment
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It is not a bug. It is a restriction that almost no one ever runs up against, as the circumstances are not exactly common.
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It is not a bug. It is a restriction that almost no one ever runs up against, as the circumstances are not exactly common.
Oh really? Do tell! He's not a Royal is he?
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Oh really? Do tell! He's not a Royal is he?
No.
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No. He was just elected to a lordship. There is a waiting period after being elected to a lordship before the new lord can be banned.
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No. He was just elected to a lordship. There is a waiting period after being elected to a lordship before the new lord can be banned.
Ha!
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No. He was just elected to a lordship. There is a waiting period after being elected to a lordship before the new lord can be banned.
How long is it?
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No. He was just elected to a lordship. There is a waiting period after being elected to a lordship before the new lord can be banned.
Worse, he banned so many lords that there are tons of elections running: and many nobles are ineligible.
He could keep doing this for days if he gets lucky.
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I don't know the length of the waiting period. I didn't even know it existed until a few hours ago when Terran's judge contacted me OOC to ask me about it. I imagine it is a few days.
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*cough* Alura didn't run for Vassar. Neither did anyone else. Erasmus put his name in to run on last day. Voted for himself. Now he is Senator of Vassar.
You're KIDDING right?
He did that *just* to piss me off, didn't he. Son of a... Crafty motherf-.
Argh! Half the damn realm can't vote or enter into referendums so he will continue winning any damn election.
WHY haven't we banned him yet? He should have been auto-banned the moment he was forced from Judge. What do we need a bloody TRIAL for, we ALL witnessed his crimes. Jeeze. Do you let a serial-killer run free while gathering evidence? No, you stick the bastard in chains or, if he doesn't come peacefully and wants to have a last stand, a bullet(or three) in his heart.
*sigh*
This is ridiculous. Waiting days for a trial while the damn traitor runs around making friends, spreading lies, getting LORDSHIP of the god damned region that belongs to the FIRST person he banned and the person who made his betrayal known...
C'mon. Also, Erasmus, if you do any damage to Vassar I will hunt your ass down and administer the Pear of Agony in full RP detail. PAGES OF IT.
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C'mon. Also, Erasmus, if you do any damage to Vassar I will hunt your ass down and administer the Pear of Agony in full RP detail. PAGES OF IT.
You will hunt him down, or Alura will? You should probably keep your threats towards characters IC.
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You will hunt him down, or Alura will? You should probably keep your threats towards characters IC.
I get the feeling that the distinction is not well understood.
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I don't know about you guys but I don't carry out my real life threats by reading someone PAGES of RP.
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HAHA, agreed. I'm not sure how threatening that would be in the first place.
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Not to mention I think Erasmus' player is a bloody genius for orchestrating all this. :P Erasmus, on the other hand, is a bastard.
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I was so pleased with the string of messages and RPs that led to this that I felt it needed sharing somewhere other than between three people. This is just for entertainment, and should not be (ab)used IC by those not party to it. Only the first part of the RP is mine. I liberally borrowed from the one that Lucini sent Malus to put this together:
Roleplay from Malus Solari
(Personal message to Erasmus La Pointe)
Just before the midnight hour, a commotion is heard outside your manse in Vassar. A courier claims to have traveled, without pause, to deliver a most urgent parcel to you. With profuse apologies, he bows deeply and presents the first of what appears to be satchel full of items. It is a letter, sealed in orange wax and pressed with an Apple blossom, the seal of House Solari.
To Eramus of House La Pointe, erstwhile Magistrate of the Terran Republic—
I trust this letter finds you well. Upon the person of the courier who delivered it you will find a parcel. I believe it properly belongs to you. You will forgive me for my curiosity in taking the liberty of examining its contents and reading the attached letter. Rest assured in the knowledge that, should I receive any other parcels by mistake, they will be sent to you at once.
The courier, still full of apologies, produces a box. Within the box you find the severed head of former Lord Cato Alesius. The cut at the neck is clean, indicating a measure of mercy in his final moments, yet the face betrays his fate, a frozen look of horror upon it. Next to the head lies a scroll within the safety of a leather bound, tied with the silver seal of House Talratheon. The scroll reads:
Your Majesty, Arbiter Solari,
It gives me great professional and Imperial pleasure to present you with the head of the treasonous serpent Cato Alesius. I felt his head would better decorate a pike upon your capital than ours it would also be a fantastic opportunity to those whom would oppose the royal thrones of the Empire that sedition, rebellions and treason should cease and everyone shall fall in line or else suffer the ill fate of the Former Lord, now deceased and dishonored Cato Alesius. May the Gods grant him mercy in the afterlife.
For the Empire,
Lucini Talratheon, High Justice of Luria Nova
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I was so pleased with the string of messages and RPs that led to this that I felt it needed sharing somewhere other than between three people. This is just for entertainment, and should not be (ab)used IC by those not party to it:
Roleplay from Malus Solari
(Personal message to Erasmus La Pointe)
Just before the midnight hour, a commotion is heard outside your manse in Vassar. A courier claims to have traveled, without pause, to deliver a most urgent parcel to you. With profuse apologies, he bows deeply and presents the first of what appears to be satchel full of items. It is a letter, sealed in orange wax and pressed with an Apple blossom, the seal of House Solari.
The courier, still full of apologies, produces a box. Within the box you find the severed head of former Lord Cato Alesius. The cut at the neck is clean, indicating a measure of mercy in his final moments, yet the face betrays his fate, a frozen look of horror upon it. Next to the head lies a scroll within the safety of a leather bound, tied with the silver seal of House Talratheon. The scroll reads:
Hahah awesome.
He lived to Hunt, and the Hunt got him killed. Cato was very fun and I found his death to be fun as well, though some RL issues prevented me from final RP, but it seems the community has done a great job of doing that for me, which makes me happy. Because we all know, he could have been killed and never mentioned again. Great fun. ;D
Thanks for sharing Solari! 8)
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Not to mention I think Erasmus' player is a bloody genius for orchestrating all this. :P Erasmus, on the other hand, is a bastard.
That's as may be, but if he tries to abuse the new-lord protection to keep from getting banned, that's going to get him the full negative attention of the devs.
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No one's waiting to give him a trial. The Senate voted to forgo a trial and ban him outright. It's the Lordship election thing that is getting him off the hook so far.
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By all means, ban the bastard. I personally want him beheaded, but that's just me. I always execute major traitors - they deserve no less (plus it prevents them from coming back to bite you in the ass)
I'm not sure why its taking so bloody long. Someone told me its because of an outdated feature/bug issue or something, someone else says its because of the vote/referendum issue, and so forth. Which is it?
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Both. The fact that he is a new lord invokes a rarely seen feature that prevents a new lord from being instantly banned. This was implemented to protect characters that used the now-removed "buy a lordship" feature.
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So we're stuck with him because of a feature that no longer exists? :\ That doesn't sound good.
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That's as may be, but if he tries to abuse the new-lord protection to keep from getting banned, that's going to get him the full negative attention of the devs.
What, like you mean running for new seats repeatedly and trying to win them so that he is always a 'new lord'? That would be pretty damn difficult to pull off, especially with everyone in Terran out for his blood. He won one election by accident, more or less, because no one was paying attention. I suspect that the rest of Terran, especially the players who now understand what happened, will make damn sure he doesn't win another lordship anytime soon.
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What, like you mean running for new seats repeatedly and trying to win them so that he is always a 'new lord'? That would be pretty damn difficult to pull off, especially with everyone in Terran out for his blood. He won one election by accident, more or less, because no one was paying attention. I suspect that the rest of Terran, especially the players who now understand what happened, will make damn sure he doesn't win another lordship anytime soon.
It was implied that the number of nobles eligible to run for positions and able to vote in Terran is quite small, so it was logical for the Dev team to assume it might be the case that he would be the only eligible candidate. If he keeps vacating a Lordship then a new vote is called so it is feasible (depending on real noble numbers) to keep that new lord tag for quite some time.
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It's pretty bad when he's the only one who even tried for the lordship.
Then again, they have a lot of banned players at the moment, which restricts eligibility.
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It was implied that the number of nobles eligible to run for positions and able to vote in Terran is quite small, so it was logical for the Dev team to assume it might be the case that he would be the only eligible candidate. If he keeps vacating a Lordship then a new vote is called so it is feasible (depending on real noble numbers) to keep that new lord tag for quite some time.
The only (or nearly) eligible candidates are lords of other regions, who, if they win, vacate another region, starting another election.
With a careful enough game of musical chairs, yes, we can keep him locked in Vassar until the protection wears off. It's just annoying.
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The only (or nearly) eligible candidates are lords of other regions, who, if they win, vacate another region, starting another election.
With a careful enough game of musical chairs, yes, we can keep him locked in Vassar until the protection wears off. It's just annoying.
My point is, you shouldn't have to do this. Even disregarding the fact that it's more or less vestigial and will probably be going away shortly, the protection is an OOC one for specific purposes, and if he even tries to use it to keep from getting banned, that's an OOC abuse that should be punished swiftly and decisively.
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My point is, you shouldn't have to do this. Even disregarding the fact that it's more or less vestigial and will probably be going away shortly, the protection is an OOC one for specific purposes, and if he even tries to use it to keep from getting banned, that's an OOC abuse that should be punished swiftly and decisively.
Meh, he's fleeing for Asylon it looks like.
He'll escape ban-free probably.
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Meh, he's fleeing for Asylon it looks like.
He'll escape ban-free probably.
Solution: declare war on Asylon.
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Solution: declare war on Asylon.
Other solution, get Asylon to ban him.
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He got banned. Posted some Roleplay about running off to kill Daimons in the name of the Huntsmen...
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He has been declared an enemy of Asylon and to be banned if enters Asylon.
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He got banned. Posted some Roleplay about running off to kill Daimons in the name of the Huntsmen...
Yup.
Protection wore off, ban set, and the Zuma aren't blaming us for his pillaging some of their lands.
Win.
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Yup.
Protection war off, ban set, and the Zuma aren't blaming us for his pillaging some of their lands.
Win.
Much smoother than I anticipated, actually.
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Of course, the Zuma GM just auto-paused, so he may get away with it for a while...
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Of course, the Zuma GM just auto-paused, so he may get away with it for a while...
How do you know that?
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Foreign Leave (16 hours, 18 minutes ago)
Oskaa has abdicated (automatically, due to inactivity).
Foreign Leave (16 hours, 18 minutes ago)
Screamer has abdicated (automatically, due to inactivity).
Foreign Leave (16 hours, 18 minutes ago)
Flame has abdicated (automatically, due to inactivity).
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Hm.. so... how does that work, exactly?
Everyone can invade the Zuma no consequences? Let's do it, we can take them off the map before the GM ever comes back!
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Hm.. so... how does that work, exactly?
Everyone can invade the Zuma no consequences? Let's do it, we can take them off the map before the GM ever comes back!
No consequences?
Well, there's still all those Daimons sitting around. You'd have to defeat them.
Plus, once he does come back, he'd probably say, "That's it! EVERYBODY DIES! (http://www.sluggy.com/daily.php?date=020427)"
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Hm.. so... how does that work, exactly?
Everyone can invade the Zuma no consequences? Let's do it, we can take them off the map before the GM ever comes back!
To Battle! Lets pray for no Militia...
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So, how's D'Hara doing? Dead yet?
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So, how's D'Hara doing? Dead yet?
So far D'hara is doing fine, if the Lurias actually attack more maybe not. So far there has been a battle in Sallowwild, maybe a small one at Port Nebel, and than they randomly left.
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So far D'hara is doing fine, if the Lurias actually attack more maybe not. So far there has been a battle in Sallowwild, maybe a small one at Port Nebel, and than they randomly left.
Starvation, killing more than Dhara ever could... We lost about 50-75% of the army while travelling to PN...
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Starvation, killing more than Dhara ever could... We lost about 50-75% of the army while travelling to PN...
All part of our grand defense.
Solaria, for all of their complaining about D'Hara not being able to feed two peasants in the Desert of Silhouettes, hasn't managed to feed the region either, and managed to kill off half the population (it's down to the database-minimum of one peasant).
Also, "Those who fail to plan, plan to fail."
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Starvation, killing more than Dhara ever could... We lost about 50-75% of the army while travelling to PN...
I seem to recall a D'Haran actually telling you this would happen a while back.
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I seem to recall a D'Haran actually telling you this would happen a while back.
This shouldn't happen anymore, with the fixes to how troop starvation is handled.
At least, it shouldn't happen if you can get through the starving region in under 10 days ;D
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This shouldn't happen anymore, with the fixes to how troop starvation is handled.
At least, it shouldn't happen if you can get through the starving region in under 10 days ;D
I bet that's not a fun trip. It probably does take quite a while to cross the Desert, and before that there's all those mountains, and then D'Hara isn't exactly swimming in food either.
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This shouldn't happen anymore, with the fixes to how troop starvation is handled.
At least, it shouldn't happen if you can get through the starving region in under 10 days ;D
Thought it was 5 days, gradually? Wouldn't you start losing troops that first day without provisions?
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Thought it was 5 days, gradually? Wouldn't you start losing troops that first day without provisions?
5 days safe, while your provisions run down. Then 5 days of gradually losing more and more men. It's not until the 10th day that you have the same level of losses that you would have gotten on the 6th day before the change.
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5 days safe, while your provisions run down. Then 5 days of gradually losing more and more men. It's not until the 10th day that you have the same level of losses that you would have gotten on the 6th day before the change.
Ah, okay, got it.
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5 days safe, while your provisions run down. Then 5 days of gradually losing more and more men. It's not until the 10th day that you have the same level of losses that you would have gotten on the 6th day before the change.
Sheesh, next you're going to be telling them what the "hack Battlemaster" action for Infiltrators does... >:(
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Sheesh, next you're going to be telling them what the "hack Battlemaster" action for Infiltrators does... >:(
There is no such option, don't be silly.
There's a big difference between describing the way, say, all the fame points work, and describing how to not let your troops all die when marching through starving regions.