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BattleMaster => Locals => Dwilight => Topic started by: Vellos on August 22, 2012, 10:25:24 PM
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So I was fiddling with some graphs.
If you stack Dwilight population lines, you can see total continental non-rogue, non-Zuma population: which should be the bulk of population in total (though rogue regions recently revolted will no doubt have significant populations).
That population fell from a peak of 2.38 million peasants to a bottom of 1.89 million peasants.
Now, let's assume that half of that is not dead peasants, but just revolting peasants. So population "of same regions" fell only 245,000, not 490,000.
245,000 extra deaths from starvation (because of course there were also births during that time) is about 10% of the population of Dwilight. I'm trying to think of events that have knocked off 10% of a continent's population.
Can anyone think of any incident in recorded history that has killed off 10% of a continent's population, besides the Bubonic Plague?
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WW 1 and 2?
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Can anyone think of any incident in recorded history that has killed off 10% of a continent's population, besides the Bubonic Plague?
I can think of a few possible parallels:
1. Smallpox's effect on indigenous people in the Americas. I have no numbers, but by historical accounts it was absolutely devastating.
2. The 1918 Flu Pandemic. Not all regions lost as much as 10% of their population, but some lost more. Pacific island nations lost as much as 20% of their populations. In India, 5% of the population died, about 17 million people. Globally, somewhere between 3% and 6% of the world's total population is estimated to have perished.
3. There are many catastrophic examples of famine throughout history, too many to list. Some exceptional examples:
*The Russian famine of 1601-1603 that killed as many as one third of the Tsar's subjects.
*The Irish Potato famine of 1845-1852 that killed an estimated 1 million or 12.5% of the population and, combined with emigration, caused the total population of the island to fall 20-25%
Admittedly, most of these are not continental in scale, but many of them were far more devastating than what's happened to Dwilight in the context of the regions in which they occurred. Entire civilizations have been destroyed or brought down by famine throughout history.
4. China's Great Leap Forward led to the deaths by famine of an estimated 5% of the population, along with millions of additional deaths resulting from government purges and natural disasters. The estimated total is 7% of a population of 600 million.
5. The Soviet Union experienced a drop of 13% in population between 1941 and 1946. This was a combination of wartime deaths and the results of purges, famine and disease.
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The comet that killed the dinosaurs?
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The fall of the Roman Empire.
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An earth quake caused by Plate Tectonics?
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An earth quake caused by Plate Tectonics?
A crusade by the Teutonic Order?
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The Tecktonik Order!
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*Ootz ootz ootz oot-*
Wait, not that sort of Tektonik?
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The comet that killed the dinosaurs?
Favorite.
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Favorite.
Meteorite.
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Meteorite.
Kryptonite.
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The flood of Noah?
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Kabrinskia is working on getting back their food producing regions. Morek is being an ass about selling theirs.
Back on topic.
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The off-topic posts have been moved here:
http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,3062.0.html (http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,3062.0.html)
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The flood of Noah?
Surely you should just stick to events that are physically possible...
Also the Circassian genocide / mass deportations
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Surely you should just stick to events that are physically possible...
Also the Circassian genocide / mass deportations
With regards to the "Great flood", while it is one thing to consider it physically impossible, one must look at such a view with a grain of salt.
Nearly every old culture has a story or cultural adherence to some "great flood" not just Christianity/Judaism/Islam.
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With regards to the "Great flood", while it is one thing to consider it physically impossible, one must look at such a view with a grain of salt.
Nearly every old culture has a story or cultural adherence to some "great flood" not just Christianity/Judaism/Islam.
The flood isn't the bit i'd contest...
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There was a separate thread if you want to discuss that.
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!@#$ it.
(I just realized my TLDR and Nickelback comments were made for the OTHER thread that split from this. Woops.)
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/religion (http://theoatmeal.com/comics/religion)
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Wow. This thread derailed the first time because of the religon/Noah's flood thing. Then it was split to preserve the topic.
Then it happened a second time... in the exact same way. Crazy!
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Yeah, beyond weird. Can we all get back on topic? lol
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Can we all get back on topic? lol
I'M HUNGRY!!
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Don't even JOKE. I've been stuck at home with no food all day waiting for my house-mate to come home so I could use his charger to charge my phone and order food. 1:44 AM and NADA. !@#$er had a show to play with his band most likely. SO, I'm phoneless so I have no alarm to wake me up in the morning for work and no food, so I went and bought a sub, some candy, a slim-jim, and vitamin water at the local 24/7 store across town and now am bunkering down to stay up ALL NIGHT so I can actually go to work in the morning.
Quick! Lets do some epic RPs in Dwilight >_> Keep me awake... My leg is !@#$ing killing me from walking to the store, I keep forgetting to get more meds for the pain, heh.
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The bubonic plague, Irish potato famine, and 1918 flu outbreak are the ones I would have mentioned.
But, I think this does show that it was quite a significant event for Dwilight to have occurred. It has literally changed the history of the continent. It shut down the war between Kabrinskia and Asylon on its own.
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now am bunkering down to stay up ALL NIGHT so I can actually go to work in the morning.
Dude... google... the internet... it's your friend... here... http://onlineclock.net/ (http://onlineclock.net/) .... get some sleep.
But, I think this does show that it was quite a significant event for Dwilight to have occurred. It has literally changed the history of the continent. It shut down the war between Kabrinskia and Asylon on its own.
It should definitely have some awesome historical stuff written up for it on the Wiki.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll
Genghis Khan wins, if you count by percentage of the World population.
http://harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=25 :-)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll
Genghis Khan wins, if you count by percentage of the World population.
http://harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=25 :-)
I was looking to make a Nomadic Genghis Khan styled realm on dwilight :)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll
Genghis Khan wins, if you count by percentage of the World population.
http://harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=25 :-)
Nah... It wasn't so bad. It was over 250 years... It's like accounting the deaths over all the Roman expansion.
Although I would like to see a Mongol invasion in dwilight!!! ;D
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Nah... It wasn't so bad. It was over 250 years... It's like accounting the deaths over all the Roman expansion.
That's true, in terms of a single-year continent-wide event, I think only the Spanish flu comes close.
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That's true, in terms of a single-year continent-wide event, I think only the Spanish flu comes close.
Yes, the Spanish flu (that it wasn't Spanish at all!) was the world-wide worst epidemic. If we look only Europe, probably the plague of Justinian was worse, or the Black Death.... I don't remember, but I think they kill about 1/3 Europe population.
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Yes, the Spanish flu (that it wasn't Spanish at all!) was the world-wide worst epidemic. If we look only Europe, probably the plague of Justinian was worse, or the Black Death.... I don't remember, but I think they kill about 1/3 Europe population.
I've seen similar estimate, but the Black Death spread over 7 years in Europe (longer worldwide), while the Spanish flu lasted only 24 months with peak activity being much shorter.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Spanish_flu_death_chart.png/787px-Spanish_flu_death_chart.png
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I've seen similar estimate, but the Black Death spread over 7 years in Europe (longer worldwide), while the Spanish flu lasted only 24 months with peak activity being much shorter.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Spanish_flu_death_chart.png/787px-Spanish_flu_death_chart.png
Yes, it's the modern world!... in medieval times people spend years to travel from a country to other. now, we spend days (or hours)...
Faster travels, faster epidemics!
I don't think is possible, but it would be wonderful to have epidemics on BM!
ALWAYS the same boring Starvations and Droughts... BORED TO DEATH?
TRY the NEW EPIDEMICS!!! BUBONIC PLAGUES!, TYPHUS!, SPANISH FLU AND THE NEW AND IMPROVED: BLACK DEATH!!!
FUN for all the Family!!! Invite your friends and GET ALL THE FUN, ALL TOGETHER!!! THE MORE THE MERRIER!
8)
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ALWAYS the same boring Starvations and Droughts... BORED TO DEATH?
TRY the NEW EPIDEMICS!!! BUBONIC PLAGUES!, TYPHUS!, SPANISH FLU AND THE NEW AND IMPROVED: BLACK DEATH!!!
FUN for all the Family!!! Invite your friends and GET ALL THE FUN, ALL TOGETHER!!! THE MORE THE MERRIER!
8)
Oh, yay! So it's StarvationAndDiseaseMaster now! And here I was thinking I joined a game based off of inter-realm conflict. What was it called... Battlemaster was it? Eh, I can't remember.
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I blame it on Zuma. Even their diabolical presence in Dwilight is extremely dangerous for us!
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I blame it on Zuma. Even their diabolical presence in Dwilight is extremely dangerous for us!
Agreed! ;D