Summary: | Clan activity detrimental to the game |
Violation: | Expected to play BM as you would play a game with friends |
World: | Colonies |
Complainer: | Clark Raven Napper (http://battlemaster.org/UserDetails.php?ID=20952) |
About: | Vladamire (http://battlemaster.org/UserDetails.php?ID=20952) |
Please post all the concerned messages here so the magistrates can look over them.
So basically ; you're in a clan. So he's right, this is OOC.
You are both the complainer and the one you are complaining about - battlemaster.org/UserDetails.php?ID=20952?
Complainer: Clark Raven Napper (http://battlemaster.org/UserDetails.php?ID=20952) About: Vladamire (http://battlemaster.org/UserDetails.php?ID=20952)
Full Complaint Text:What are the UserDetails.php URL of these 3 players? Without this information, it's hard to follow the messages posted and knowing who is saying what.
A claim has been made OOC against myself [...] by three players in Outer Tilog (the player of the Arverni family, and JakeWilmot, and James D.)
You are both the complainer and the one you are complaining about - battlemaster.org/UserDetails.php?ID=20952?
Banned from Outer Tilog by Delirus Ironsun.
Reason: Too tidy. Too clean. Human sneakysneak!
The first character's "ban reason" is:
Sounds to my kinda like Outer Tilog being Outer Tilog.
Arbitrary, irrational, and corrupt bans are not technically prohibited.
However... (brace for what could become a flamewar)
In my opinion, the entire realm of Outer Tilog should be locked/deleted from the game. A realm whose culture and playing style is so wildly divergent from the entire rest of the game that any remotely normal playing style results in bans and OOC flamewars is an inherently exclusive place, and is not playing as if with friends, IMHO. Having never played there myself I don't have personal experience here, but from what I hear people saying, we're fine with an exclusive clan... if its the Traditional Tilogian Culture Clan. But, IMHO, just because you post a disclaimer ("Warning: Outer Tilog is Different") doesn't mean you get exemptions from the Social Contract, and I struggle to imagine how Outer Tilog could continue to exist bereft of its hyper-exclusive culture.
In order to state the obvious, I'm the player of Delirus Ironsun. 8)
No, I'm not a member of any clan. While I do know some BM players in real life, NONE of them has a character in Outer Tilog.Yes there is some plotting and counter-plotting going on, but, at least as far as I'm concerned, it is purely IC. I don't know what else to say about this, but I'm certainly ready to answer any questions.
Isn't O.T.C. the capital of Outer Tilog? Capitals can't sucede.
Lots of top secret plotting planning and paranoia...
I got the information that it is possible for a capital to secede and that it happened on Atamara already.
Letter from Garm Tanngrisnir Crownguard (6 days, 17 hours ago)
Message sent to everyone in message group "Schemers and Dreamers" (13 recipients)
Can a capital secede now? They didn't used to be able to but I received a letter from my nephew on Atamara that the capital of his old realm seceded to the enemy.
It does feel a bit like there is a build up to something as you say.
Sir Garm Tanngrisnir Crownguard
Minister of Offense and Kepper of Hair and Fluff of Outer Tilog, Duke of Hilly Holes, Baron of Hilly Holes
Imy character is now happily married to one Angus
Not this again.
Secede (v t, v it): To take the Duchy one is Duke of (containing at least one city) and form of it a new realm. Cannot be done with the last city in a realm. (Used to be impossible with a capital.)
Change Allegiance (v it): To take the region one is Lord of or the Duchy one is Duke of and join it to another realm. Cannot be done with the last city in a realm. (Has always been possible with a capital.)
Please make sure to keep them straight.
However, in this case, yes, the restriction on secession with the capital of the realm is gone. I'm...not sure if that was deliberate or not, but at least now the two options are in balance with what their restrictions are.
Thank you for clarifying this. So both options are actually a possibility for O.T. city. Good to know ...
Out-of-Character from Vladamire Abjur (17 minutes ago)
Message sent to everyone in your realm (34 recipients)
http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,3192.0.html
Lets put this matter to rest, shall we?
Clark Raven Napper
GRAAAAARGH
Not this again.
Secede (v t, v it): To take the Duchy one is Duke of (containing at least one city) and form of it a new realm. Cannot be done with the last city in a realm. (Used to be impossible with a capital.)
Change Allegiance (v it): To take the region one is Lord of or the Duchy one is Duke of and join it to another realm. Cannot be done with the last city in a realm. (Has always been possible with a capital.)
Please make sure to keep them straight.
However, in this case, yes, the restriction on secession with the capital of the realm is gone. I'm...not sure if that was deliberate or not, but at least now the two options are in balance with what their restrictions are.
Actually you are wrong. Well, probably not wrong about the design, but in practice I did exactly what you just said I can't do recently on Atamara. I changed the allegiance of Shanandoah from Hammarsett to Coria. It was not only the last city in the realm, it was the last region in the realm. From what you're saying, I now gather that this is a bug. However, anyone with a character currently on Atamara should probably be forgiven for thinking that it is in fact possible to change the allegiance of the only city in the realm.
Want me to put up a bug report?
What a fun realm!
Perhaps, i'll move a char there seems like my type of nobles.
It should also be noted that this is the first OOC flame fest that has happened for many many years now.
I can officially say that they do not exclude people... my character is now happily married to one Angus and looking forward to winning the election to the region I own.