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Community => Other Games => Topic started by: Zakilevo on September 20, 2012, 11:07:06 PM
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God... This game... too hard!
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God... This game... too hard!
I breeze through it until the drone phase of the last ship, then I crumble to dust. I don't know how to fight drones.
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Link please.
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http://www.ftlgame.com/ I assume
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On easy, I usually get through to the boss. On normal, the AI wipes the floor with me. But I'm not giving up.
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I always get to the drone form and get crushed. I've heard that the stealth cruiser is good for drone form but it just plain sucks while trying to get there.
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Bombs or missiles, and then take down the drone control room. Or teleporter over and take it with a boarding party, but that takes longer.
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Wow... I just got raped by a stealth ship... how the hell do you deal with that?
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The Drone phase is the hardest boss phase. I found the 3rd phase to be a fair bit easier. My tactic was to use a crack boarding squad to take out important rooms and generally reduce the crew members. One thing that helped me was that the weapon systems are separate to the rest of the ship, so if you can take out the crew there and damage the system, no one can repair it. Bombs were my weapon of choice against the boss, but you require a massive store of missiles to make it work. I should note that I had maxed out cloaking and the fire while cloaked upgrade. Careful use of the cloak really reduced the damage I took.
Stealth ships are annoying, especially if they have the upgrade so they can fire while cloaked. The best way I've found to beat them is to have cloaking yourself.
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Yeah, my main problem is starting to become that I can't get the upgrades and weapons I want. Or not when I want them. I try to save money for the shops, but never get enough. It takes quite a while on normal until you can seriously consider boarding. Needs more crew members, an upgraded teleporter, etc. etc.
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On easy, I usually get through to the boss. On normal, the AI wipes the floor with me. But I'm not giving up.
I think the worst problem I keep having in normal is running out of fuel. I can't beat the first phase on normal either, yet.
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I only play on normal because DF has conditioned me that losing is fun. I got to the 5th sector on my last game but after an excrutiating fight where i ran out of missiles, im down to 5 hull points and about to die after my next warp
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Just bought this after seeing it on a Quick Look on Giant Bomb. Looking forward to playing. :D
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WOW! WTF the final boss is nuts!
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I beat the boss last night on easy with the Engi ship. But I got MASSIVELY lucky. After 2/3 jumps into the game, I got an augment that boosted any scrap I got by 15% (can't remember the exact %). I also seemed to get exactly what I needed, when I needed it: 2 fuel left, found a guy trading fuel for missiles; trouble destroying ships, find 2 weapons in as many jumps; not perfect upgrades before final boss, kill someone and get over 150 scrap for it.
On attacking the boss I had a full crew (2 Engi, 2 Human, 1 Rockman, 1 Manta, 1 Zoltan), starting ion weapon, 3 shot blaster (Kestrel's starting weapon), a single shot blaster (with enough power for all 3), 2 attack drones Mk1 and 1 defence drone Mk1 (enough power for 2). No cloak/teleport.
---Possible spoilers for those who haven't faced the boss yet---
Against the weapons only, I just made sure I paused after each volley he shot, moved people around and aimed for his shields with everything. I probably should have switched my 1-shot blaster to taking his weapons out.
Against drones I took his shields first, then kept shooting my Ion at them to keep them down. Used other two weapons on the drone control - constant fire on this meant that he was taking crew damage too, so couldn't keep everyone in there at the same time to repair it.
Against the teleport, I got lucky. 1st group teleported into the air-lock area, so I opened that which helped when they reached my crew. Then the 2nd two went against my Manta/Rockman. 3rd two were difficult (mainly because of other damage) and almost destroyed my ship, but I survived with 3 hp left. Multiple hull breaches, fires in most rooms, everyone on low health (except the pilot who was oddly un-harmed).
---End possible spoilers---
My tip would be to make extensive use of pausing the game to take stock of what's going on and move crew around to where they're most needed. Also, have a mix of quick/long reload weapons. I didn't need missiles/bombs but it would no doubt have been much easier with a fire-bomb.
Now to try it on normal!
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I'm still struggling all around, mostly because I need more training in using boarding correctly.
I had an insanely good ship going there, and then I lost two boarding crews shortly before facing the boss and that kind of killed me. In the end, I faced the boss with just 4 people and weak weapons because I relied on boarding all the way. I took out all his weapons with boarders, but then we just sat there and neither of us could harm the other. I couldn't get his shields down and I couldn't board his main section, either. Well, in the end I tried and lost all my people, just as I expected.
Dang, without that horrible loss I could've made it. I had 3 Mantis, 2 of them with very high melee skills. Fully upgraded teleporter and a human to fill out the 2nd boarding crew, so I could've sent in 2 crews and take him down.
Note to self: You absolutely need at least one bomb or missile against the boss so you can disable the medbay and/or shield room. Firebomb would probably work best.
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Luck seems to play a huge part, depending on the weapons and crew made available to you. My first game I breezed through, obliterating everything until I got to the last boss. Didn't get to fight him, because I accidentally pressed the Close button on the game. Got slaughtered the next few times because I didn't have enough firepower. Once solar flares killed me because they caused fires in my engine room and I couldn't put them out before the next solar flare hit, and couldn't get away without engines.
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Luck seems to play a huge part, depending on the weapons and crew made available to you. My first game I breezed through, obliterating everything until I got to the last boss. Didn't get to fight him, because I accidentally pressed the Close button on the game. Got slaughtered the next few times because I didn't the firepower. Once solar flares killed me because they caused fires in my engine room and I couldn't put them out before the next solar flare hit, and couldn't get away without engines.
I had a game like this. Some aliens gave me a big laser gun, and I had the burst laser II, and the pike/or halbred beam. I also had firebombs. I thought that the boss ship would crumble before me. I engaged a ship at a star, it knocked my shields and my automatic doors. My ship burned and exploded before I could contain the fires.
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Yeah, war stories. :-)
On my last ship, I had 2 ion cannons and 2 beams. Gosh did that cut ships into pieces, wonderful! Until I ran into ships with 3 shields that I couldn't know down fast enough anymore.
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Argh! So much luck involved in this damn game. Fought the boss the first phase and won, but the sector he moved to afterward cut me off from all the repair stations, as there was only one path to them. Fought him the second phase and won with one hull bar left, and again he cut me off from the repair bays. After that, I didn't have much hope.
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Woo! Beat the boss. Only on Easy, but it's a start. :)
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I am hopeful. I have a very good game going with an Engi cruiser, the 2nd type (The Vortex). Got a full crew, pretty cool weaponry and lots of cash thanks to being able to do good boarding missions. If I can upgrade engines and shields far enough prior to the boss fight, I could actually do it.
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I found using defensive drones against the boss to make a real difference. I used two - a level 2 and a level 1 - and they took out most of the missiles and some of the lasers the boss shot at me. Every phase the boss only took off 5-6 hull bars because he could only rarely get through my shields and drones.
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I had fun with the stealth cruiser version 2. That glaives beam... it is insane. I hit about twice while I was still cloaked with Weapon Pre-Igniter and Stealth Weapons.
I am going to try getting three Automated Reloader in my next play. Well if I can find three that is.
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I'm beating the boss pretty regularly now so here are some notes
- Killing all the crew in the boss is not a instant win, an AI takes over. Still it helps slow down repairs
- I find Beam Weapons in general to be a waste. Sometimes I use a single one if I've got other good weapons. The reason is they are useless against sheilds. They can do significant damage though so others might find them useful
- Against later opponents shields and the Helm are priority targets. Take down the helm and they lose their evasion bonus which makes your shots really count.
- I'm a big fan of teleport bombs. My most successful boss run I had 4 bomb weapons of various types. Being able to avoid their shields and target what I want is very helpful.
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Just beat the final boss on normal for the first time. used the Kestrel, stocked up on spammy laser weapons and managed to pick up stealth. Also got a repairer drone, was able to crush the first two forms of the boss. Last form was a toughie since he managed to take out my drones and weapons but I managed to pick him off with 5 hull left.
Oddly enough, my first victory only gave me my #2 high score - apparently losing in awesome ways is better!
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Yahoo! I beat the normal boss finally. Got super lucky too. Evaded most of the final boss' missiles until I managed to disable his weapon system ;).
If you want to use a beam weapon, you need to have something to cripple the shield room. I actually liked my fire bomb and that breach bomb combo to take out a room :). Once the shield room was destroyed, I could just beam/laser the boss' weapons to death.
For me the second form of the boss was the hardest. He summoned too many drones. I almost lost my *shield room* in that fight but barely beat him and repaired my ship before beating him.
But I got to say that Nisos is probably one of the best ship to fight against the boss since you automatically fire a beam that penetrates the shield and damages the ship.
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Yahoo! I beat the normal boss finally. Got super lucky too. Evaded most of the final boss' missiles until I managed to disable his weapon system ;).
If you want to use a beam weapon, you need to have something to cripple the shield room. I actually liked my fire bomb and that breach bomb combo to take out a room :). Once the shield room was destroyed, I could just beam/laser the boss' weapons to death.
For me the second form of the boss was the hardest. He summoned too many drones. I almost lost my shield in that fight but barely beat him and repaired my ship before beating him.
But I got to say that Nisos is probably one of the best ship to fight against the boss since you automatically fire a beam that penetrates the shield and damages the ship.
Yeah the second boss is tough. Since I prioritise getting cloaking though its not so hard, I just hit cloak whenever the drones appear.
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Yeah the second boss is tough. Since I prioritise getting cloaking though its not so hard, I just hit cloak whenever the drones appear.
I actually timed things to take out those accursed drones until I realized the final boss had an infinite number of drones under his arsenal... then I just bombed his drone room.
Having either 2 repair drones or 2 defence I drones are pretty nice against the boss too. Damn missiles hurt a lot :o
I usually save up/buy as many missiles as possible before fighting the final boss and just spam them to take out the shield room or the drone room. Worked out very well so far. Just need two Pegasus Missile to own the boss.
Have anyone tried getting 4 Burst Laser Mark II?
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The Burst Laser Mark III (5 shots) is awesome for taking down shields. If I can get a hold of one of those and a Halberd Beam, it makes fights much easier.
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Boarding drones are epic too. If you have saved enough drones, you can just keep sending them with your crews and destroy enemy ships fairly easily. Just need one or two healing bombs to help them.
So far I only found one ship with a teleportation room big enough to teleport 4 crews and it is pretty awesome with boarding bots...
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Finally nailed the boss (on easy), so here's my notes:
- maxed out engines, shields, teleporter and stealth really, really made a difference
- I deployed one defense drone, and during the boarding phase, one anti-personel drone
- mostly, I teleported two boarding crews into his weapon chambers in rapid succession. As they are seperate from the rest of the ship, this is the easiest way to take them down.
- fire concentrated on shields and then whatever caused me most trouble. I had an ion gun and two lasers.
- stealth to avoid his attacks, though the 51% evasion chance really, really made a difference
- take down his rockets first, so your shields matter
Beam weapons are great if (and only if) you have a reliable way to down the enemy shields, such as an ion bomb.
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One tip...
When you meet an auto-assault ship (or auto-scout), keep him alive and constantly attack his shield with weak weapons while dodging his attacks or tanking them with your shield. You can max your crews' skills fairly quickly that way. :)
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Picked this game up on a whim during the Steam Summer Sale. Wasn't sure what I expected, but my, what an addictive game! I really enjoy the challenge of FTL and experimenting to get it right and go further each time my ship is destroyed. It's a style of gaming I've never enjoyed in the past so it has been a pleasant surprise.
I thought today that I would finally defeat the boss (on easy) but I had no idea that there was a third stage to the fight. Those missiles were beastly. I ended up getting too caught up in keeping my ship working when really I should have teleported into the weapon bays right at the start. It dawned on me far too late that they were separate to the rest of the ship! That'll teach me for spurning the cloaking device (and repair drones) >.<
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I thought today that I would finally defeat the boss (on easy) but I had no idea that there was a third stage to the fight. Those missiles were beastly. I ended up getting too caught up in keeping my ship working when really I should have teleported into the weapon bays right at the start. It dawned on me far too late that they were separate to the rest of the ship! That'll teach me for spurning the cloaking device (and repair drones) >.<
Yes, those isolated bays on the boss ship are your friends. My favorite way of taking them down is usually fire or hull breaches, but boarding crews could work just as well.
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Woo, beat the boss on Normal for the first time! Came back to the game after the new content. Had an awesome run - Hacking, Mind Control, full crew (including recruiting two max Fighting Rockmen) and fantastic weapons: the Charge and Burst Lasers gave me a maximum of seven shots to wipe out shields and the Halberd Beam sliced through for a ton of damage. No Cloaking, though, which I usually like to have, and augments weren't great either. But this set up blazed through the first two boss phases and finished the last with about half health.
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I'm thinking I may want to play again :-)
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If you have a chance to pick up the vulcan laser, do it. Once it gets up to speed the description doesn't lie: it kills anything. That's how I just beat it with the Mantis cruiser to unlock the type C (of course that 4-man teleportation room is nasty too).
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Are all these things on the new edition?
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Hacking and Mind Control are, yes, and I believe the Charge Lasers as well.
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Hacking and Mind Control are, yes, and I believe the Charge Lasers as well.
Yup; they added a whole mess of stuff for the advanced addition. They also added chain lasers (and ions), which charge slow to start but charge faster each time they're fired up to a maximum. The vulcan laser's minimum charge time (after being fired ~5 times) is like 1 second, it's insane. The best part of Advanced Edition is, of course, that it's free!
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I'd forgotten just how much this game can piss me off, too. Was doing a run with the Mantis Cruiser on Easy, to unlock the next ship. Absolutely breezed through every sector. The only issue was it wasn't giving me any decent weapons. It threw tons of weapons at me, but all crap. But with four good boarders, it wasn't an issue for most of the game. Then an enemy ship right before I fought the boss killed one of my elite boarders with a well-timed Mind Control, preventing me from teleporting him back and resulting in his death.
Then when I got to the boss, he hacked my teleporter. That didn't seem too bad at first, but turned out when he activated the hacking, it not only disabled the porter, but recalled any crew currently on the enemy ship. With the crap weapons I had, it made it extremely difficult to take out the boss. I'd only get 10-15 seconds of boarding action - enough to do buggar all - before he'd activate the hacking and recall my crew back to my ship. I did beat the first round, but was left with Hull too low to beat the second. Was absolutely fuming.
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Hey, FTL is awesome. A bit late, but i would just like to give some tips for the boss and other general things.
Max Shields, shields are just youre best friend against the drone part of the boss, and generaly any beam or laser ships.
Get engines decently high, not as important to max. That dodge is very good.
With the addition of mindcontrol lvl 2 cockpit is a must have, if they mindcontrol the pilot you will lose all evasion.
Missiles are not the best weapon, laser oriented or beam + ion is the best setup, exception is if you have like 40-50 rockets or more and its late game and you find a good rocket launcher.
Cloaking is a very good thing, try to get it if you have trouble, the augment that lets you charge weapons while cloaked with cloaking makes cloaking even better.
Upgrading Medbay and Oxygen to lvl 2 can save you. Try to get these upgraded, and theres some nice new options you have in some situations with lvl 3 of these 8).
As some others have mentioned, drones are great aswell, especialy defense drones.
I would also advice to stay away from boarding if you dont have 2 or so mantis, or 1 with lvl 3 fighting, and some rockmen or good fighting skill humans to back them up. And upgraded teleporter, teleporting can be dangerous.
1 last thing: Search for Arumba on youtube, he is great at FTL, except for the mistake you will see if you watch one of his modded FTL videos, selling rocket launcher with 90 rockets, pffffff.
I could proly say something more, although i cant think of anything right now :P
Hope i dont bother too much here with a kinda late post, even though the last one was 4 days ago, not so long.
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Played FTL advanced edition a bit, and I have very mixed feelings.
While the new content is interesting and nice, it's completely unbalanced. The boss with stealth + hacking is just ridiculously OP if you don't have the exact right ship setup to counter it. Basically, unless you're lucky with your first shots, your ENTIRE weapons array will be down for 90% of the fight. On the other hand, if you have hacking + mind control and a decent weapon or two, any enemy ship is just a speed bump.
They definitely need a 1.6 release.