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BattleMaster => Helpline => Topic started by: Velax on November 06, 2012, 03:13:35 AM
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When an Advy first starts out, he's an Outlaw and can be executed by any realm at will. But I was under the impression that once an Advy had earned enough Honour/Prestige/Whatever, he becomes a Freeman and can no longer be immediately executed. He must first be banned and then executed. But the dev responses to this bug report would seem to indicate otherwise:
http://bugs.battlemaster.org/view.php?id=7417
So, Freeman can be executed without needing a ban?
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I think freeman means he's no longer auto-banned for leaving his starting realm.
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No, I have a Freeman Advy, and he's still auto-banned every time he leaves a realm.
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Just flavour, as far as I know.
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When an Advy first starts out, he's an Outlaw and can be executed by any realm at will. But I was under the impression that once an Advy had earned enough Honour/Prestige/Whatever, he becomes a Freeman and can no longer be immediately executed. He must first be banned and then executed.
That's my recollection as well from the time Adventurers were first added. But that is a very long way back. Checking the Wiki, it seems this was indeed at least claimed to work like so. It was removed in July 2008 though, so it has been like the current situation for a very long time, it appears.
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Wow. Before this, Freeman having to be banned first was a hard fact in my mind. Guess you never know as much as you think you do.
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Just flavour, as far as I know.
Well, a freeman with three recommendations can be recognized as being of Noble rank. An outlaw with three recommendations can be recognized as being from a noble family and unlock access to the warrior class, but technically he's still an outlaw.
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Well, a freeman with three recommendations can be recognized as being of Noble rank. An outlaw with three recommendations can be recognized as being from a noble family and unlock access to the warrior class, but technically he's still an outlaw.
Doesn't make him less a noble.
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Doesn't make him less a noble.
But it does make him still executable without a ban. And his signature will say Kepler of the Kepler Family (Outlaw).
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Wow. Before this, Freeman having to be banned first was a hard fact in my mind.
Same here. I can't tell you how many newbies have asked me that question...I've become one of those people who spread bad information :'(
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But it does make him still executable without a ban. And his signature will say Kepler of the Kepler Family (Outlaw).
Eh... I'm fairly sure it does not make him executable without a ban if he changed to warrior class.
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Eh... I'm fairly sure it does not make him executable without a ban if he changed to warrior class.
Outlaw nobles can be executed without a ban.
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So was this ever true? Back in 2008 before the Wiki was changed, maybe?
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So was this ever true? Back in 2008 before the Wiki was changed, maybe?
I'm not sure. I once thought it was true, too, and vaguely remembered some evidence to that effect, but at this point I can't say one way or the other (without going through the code history).
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Outlaw nobles can be executed without a ban.
Ah... right. :)
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But, I do not underestand very good, A freeman can be executed without being banned? isn't ?
Now, can be a freeman executed with no reason? Just because The Judge wants? I say, if you are in war with the realm of that freeman, can that be enough to execute him? without torture him at last first to know something? and declare him guilty from something.
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A Freeman Adventurer in a Dungeon can be executed by the Judge for no reason and without having been banned by that Realm per Game Mechanics.
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Well, in RP reasons I am not agree. Killing a freeman, especially with high prestige and honour, that hasn't do anything against the realm or a noble just because I am bored is not a RP reason, In RP if you are going to do something it has to have a RP background, unless that commoner is an outlaw (and usually you torture first, not just kill). Plus this only in Tyranny or Monarchy leaded by a tyranny that happens. If the Judge does that I think that he has to lose as minimun some honour, if he does not even tell the commoner what is he accused to let him know why, or cause some civil unrest (is not the same to kill an outlaw than a freeman with 20 honour and near to 15 of prestige, probably the peasants like him)
It is my opinion, but what do you think?
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I agree, to be honest. Whether it has any basis in RP or not, I would prefer that my character that I've had for months or years could not be executed on a whim by a judge having a bad day.
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Yep, freeman should not be the same as outlaw. Besides, didn't freemen use to have something like that? Though I think I read somewhere that it was removed.
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Yep, freeman should not be the same as outlaw. Besides, didn't freemen use to have something like that? Though I think I read somewhere that it was removed.
I agree. Freeman should not be the same as Outlaw. It makes no distinction between Outlaw and Freeman at all. What is the point of Outlaw and Freeman status if there is nothing that diffentiate between both?
This is not going bring more players to go and try out Adventurer class, if you will die not only when you hunting monsters, undead. But die at the hand of Judge bad mood.
Hear Adventurer gained Freeman status last time used to be not able execute on the spot, is it true? I vividly remember I was threaten with execution even though my character was Freeman status. I survived that of course, so not a chance to find out if Freeman could be executed at that time.
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I see some members of the community thinks the same as I. In RP ways, I think that it is a lot of metagaming killing a freeman because you do not like his family for any reason, freemans and commoners in general are not known by their surname but for his name and I think that is Power-Gaming to kill him because "I had a bad day" Judges have awareness and they are usually prudent in their actions.
Even though, if you are going to kill somebody, in all RPG you have to have a reason if he/she is a NPC and more if is a player. Obviously, chaotic people does not have to had a reason, and for tyrants is a sport. If you win the Freeman achievement I think that, since there and for the future, the people is knowing you (if not, there is not any reason to earn prestige and honour for an adventurer) more the time passes earning honour and prestige more the people will know you as the 'hero of the commoners' or something like that, and if commoners know you well, it would not be weird that if that freeman get executed (and more if there is no reason) it causes some civil unrest and honour lost (prestige might, but honour at list)
Am I wrong?
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I see some members of the community thinks the same as I. In RP ways, I think that it is a lot of metagaming killing a freeman because you do not like his family for any reason, freemans and commoners in general are not known by their surname but for his name and I think that is Power-Gaming to kill him because "I had a bad day" Judges have awareness and they are usually prudent in their actions.
Even though, if you are going to kill somebody, in all RPG you have to have a reason if he/she is a NPC and more if is a player. Obviously, chaotic people does not have to had a reason, and for tyrants is a sport. If you win the Freeman achievement I think that, since there and for the future, the people is knowing you (if not, there is not any reason to earn prestige and honour for an adventurer) more the time passes earning honour and prestige more the people will know you as the 'hero of the commoners' or something like that, and if commoners know you well, it would not be weird that if that freeman get executed (and more if there is no reason) it causes some civil unrest and honour lost (prestige might, but honour at list)
Am I wrong?
It would seem reasonable to me to require a ban to execute freemen. That's a feature request however, so you would have to submit a properly formatted one. You can see the format here:
http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,2131.0.html
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a peasant is a peasant. off with his head.
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a peasant is a peasant. off with his head.
Hear hear!
It would seem reasonable to me to require a ban to execute freemen. That's a feature request however, so you would have to submit a properly formatted one. You can see the format here:
http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,2131.0.html
So...should a judge have to "ban" the rebels before you can use the "hang rebels" option?
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Hear hear!
So...should a judge have to "ban" the rebels before you can use the "hang rebels" option?
Rebels are outlaws. Otherwise they would be freedom fighters. That's what prestige is all about.
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So call him a rebel, *then* hang him.
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So call him a rebel, *then* hang him.
I'm not saying the current situation makes no sense (it does make sense).
I'm saying requiring a ban to execute a Freeman may be nice from a game-mechanics point of view and is just as rationalizable as the status quo is.
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Agree, it should be first banned. And a rebel is an outlaw, it is pretty diferent thing.
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Agree, it should be first banned. And a rebel is an outlaw, it is pretty diferent thing.
So, call the freeman an outlaw. Problem solved. After all, the judge wouldn't execute an innocent man; therefore, any commoner, freeman or otherwise, executed by the judge is guilty of being a rebel.
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Sorry, but that is not true. I am speaking about RP too, if you execute someone a reason could be that, but you have to had a reason, usually investigated or "concocted it". And a freeman, yes he is a commoner, but he is not still an outlaw ! in every RPG when a peasant get prestige or honour more people knows from him and executing him would be a great problem to the one who kill him more even if that person does not give any reason, just execute him.
More even, if you have an adv and it get killed just because someone had a bad day... that is pretty unfair, more if that character has a long playgame behind and it is a freeman because you earn it, if freeman means nothing erase that. And you are going to excute him, at last with a reason, make a RP... Not just press the "button" same for nobles but since their beginings then. This is about RP and Game mechanics.
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Actually, for all those who say "call him outlaw" I point you to the mechanics trump rp argument. He cannot be an outlaw, as there is a definitive status for that separate to that of a freeman as defined by mechanics.
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Actually, for all those who say "call him outlaw" I point you to the mechanics trump rp argument. He cannot be an outlaw, as there is a definitive status for that separate to that of a freeman as defined by mechanics.
I can still call him an outlaw. Hell, I can call him donkey, or a wheel of cheddar cheese if I feel like it.
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All very interesting, but getting away from the point. RP-valid or not, it is not fun to have your adventurer executed on a whim, nor is it fun to feel so vulnerable all the time with a character I've played for months or years.
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All very interesting, but getting away from the point. RP-valid or not, it is not fun to have your adventurer executed on a whim, nor is it fun to feel so vulnerable all the time with a character I've played for months or years.
Agreed.
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All very interesting, but getting away from the point. RP-valid or not, it is not fun to have your adventurer executed on a whim, nor is it fun to feel so vulnerable all the time with a character I've played for months or years.
You mean Terrence?
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I can still call him an outlaw. Hell, I can call him donkey, or a wheel of cheddar cheese if I feel like it.
Sure. But it would be nice if Prestige counted for something. If you call a character with 15 prestige a wheel of cheddar cheese, you're willfully ignoring something the game is presenting you as fact: this man is prestigious, more so than half the knights of your realm.
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But he's still a commoner. Therefore, his name is Freeman Cheesehead.
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You mean Terrence?
...yes? And, you know, any other adventurer that has been around for months or years?
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...yes? And, you know, any other adventurer that has been around for months or years?
*scribble scribble*
hmm...interesting. (http://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/0012.html)
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Wouldn't a good compromise be having no actual hard-coded limits, since the legality of executing a freeman is obvious, but also having the judge lose h/p proportional to the adventurer's if he executes one without a ban?
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You already do.
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It would seem reasonable to me to require a ban to execute freemen. That's a feature request however, so you would have to submit a properly formatted one. You can see the format here:
http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,2131.0.html
Pretty sure you couldn't execute a freeman without a ban, back in the days...
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I've got an adventurer character who is currently imprisoned and I'd really regret him to be executed. Theoretically he's "currently an adventurer in The Falkirkian Freestate", imprisoned in other realm, so he hasn't been banned, right? Could he be executed then just for fun?
The ransom to pay is really high, but my fear is to get him executed after the 6 days it seems he'll be imprisoned if I don't pay. He's pretty a tough guy and has gained a bit of honour and prestige, but I don't know actually if he's a freeman or just a !@#$ty-commoner...
(Sorry if it's not directly related to the main topic)
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I've got an adventurer character who is currently imprisoned and I'd really regret him to be executed. Theoretically he's "currently an adventurer in The Falkirkian Freestate", imprisoned in other realm, so he hasn't been banned, right? Could he be executed then just for fun?
The ransom to pay is really high, but my fear is to get him executed after the 6 days it seems he'll be imprisoned if I don't pay. He's pretty a tough guy and has gained a bit of honour and prestige, but I don't know actually if he's a freeman or just a !@#$ty-commoner...
(Sorry if it's not directly related to the main topic)
He likely got arrested for a reason, even if that reason may simply be that he was of Falkirk and left the protection of his homeland.
Problem with being an advy of Aurvandil or Falkirk is that most realms are likely to be unsympathetic to you.
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Well, that's something I could understand if this character was a noble, but adventurers haven't got anything to do with politics in their realms, they are just born there. I mean, it's something reasonable that you can't have information or the facilities of an allied country. People know for your accent that you are a foreigner from enemy lands and they wouldn't be willing to offer any service, but being imprisoned... :o
Anyway what really worries me is if the "nationality" of this character is enough reason for a Judge to execute him, or if that's something that only happens if the character is a rogue.
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walking in front of a noble is a good enough to get executed.....
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OK, I feel much calmer now... ;D