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BattleMaster => Locals => Far East Island => Topic started by: Antonine on January 04, 2013, 09:37:20 PM
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Well, tomorrow the voting for the last member of the Synod will end and the Church of Sartan's body representing all levels of the church will meet to select a new High Priest.
So just thought I'd post this topic here so that people can discuss the election if they want to :)
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Interesting how many lay people seemed keen to be elected to the electoral Synod. I mean, the position is trivially minor really; one vote for the high priest, carrying no real responsibilities. But a position is a position I suppose.
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Plus it's actually something happening within the Church for a change.
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For those that are former members, or perhaps outsiders, could you explain what the Synod is, how many positions are being elected, and who gets to vote?
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Letter from Selene Octavius (4 days, 22 hours ago)
Message sent to everyone in "The Church of Sartan" (43 recipients)
Fellow Sartanians,
I hereby announce how the next High Priest and Head of the Church of Sartan will be selected:
The High Priest is chosen by the Synod - a body created only a few years ago and very different from the old system of the elders deciding the next High Priest between them.
The Synod is composed of the following:
All elders of the Church of Sartan.
All lay-Cardinals.
One representative elected by the Inquisitors.
One representative elected by lay members of the Church - defined as those who do not fall into the above categories.
Prior to the start of the selection of the High Priest I will be adjusting the ranks of some people within the Church to reflect appointments that were interrupted by my imprisonment - for example the restoration of Sister Belruel to her rank of Inquisitor.
The voice of each member of the Synod is equal.
The High Priest must themself be a priest and therefore only a priest is eligible to be selected as the High Priest.
The selection will take place by each member of the Synod calling out the first name of the one they wish to be the next High Priest. If a single name is called out by all members of the Synod then that person will be the next High Priest. If there is no complete agreement amongst the Synod then instead they shall discuss the matter for no more than two days or until they are all agreed to proceed - whichever comes first. The Synod will then again take turns to each call out a name. If two thirds or more of the Synod agree on a name then that person will be duly recognised as the next High Priest. If less than two thirds agree then the Synod will again return to the discussion stage before returning to vote again and this process shall be repeated for as long as it takes for Sartan to guide them to a final decision.
Tomorrow I will announce the members of each category within the Church and begin the elections for the representative of the Inquisition and the representative of the lay members of the Church.
May Sartan bless and keep you,
Selene Octavius
High Tribune of Sorraine
Dame of Anaos
Priestess of The Church of Sartan
High Priest of The Church of Sartan
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Basically, the Synod is the body which elects the High Priest and which also makes theological rulings.
The Synod consists of all the elders and every member of the church with the rank of lay-Cardinal. It also has one member who is elected by the Inquisitors as their representative. And finally there is one last member of the Synod who is elected by all full members of the Church who don't fall into one of the groups I've already mentioned.
Everyone on the Synod has one vote and they elect the High Priest of the Church with any candidate needing a two third majority in the Synod to be elected. They keep on voting until someone gets a two thirds majority.
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Synod is still a small group though and it'll be tricky:
4 elders (without Selene)
2 Lay-Cardinals
2 representatives
Of these 8 there are 2 Cyrith and 2 Quintus Ennius. Curious how things will turn out.
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Yeah, you really want 9 voting members, or it's harder to get a 2/3rds majority.
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Everyone on the Synod has one vote and they elect the High Priest of the Church with any candidate needing a two third majority in the Synod to be elected. They keep on voting until someone gets a two thirds majority.
Meaning that you require at least 6 votes. That can be a very long election. ;D
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So, is this a process similar to the election of a new Pope by the Catholic Church?
It is interesting to see the thought you guys put into it though. Is this the first time the Synod has met to select a High Priest?
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I got the impression this is something Selene cooked up on her own, for some reason.
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So, is this a process similar to the election of a new Pope by the Catholic Church?
It is interesting to see the thought you guys put into it though. Is this the first time the Synod has met to select a High Priest?
It's modelled on papal conclave yes.
The Synod was an idea Selene proposed and got implemented a while back and it was agreed it would select the High Priest. Nobody actually came up with how the Synod would do that though so Selene sat down and decided on a process and announced it at the same time as her resignation - basically the election system was one of her last acts as High Priest.
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The election for lay representative on the Synod is now over and I can announce that Bishop Sparticus has won with a grand total of three votes compared to the two votes for the runner-up, Bishop Lendin. I can also report that eight votes were cast in total.
Therefore, I am pleased to announce that the members of the Synod are as follows:
Acting High Priest Azgath
Archbishop Jatha
Cardinal Martin
Cardinal Aeneas
Lay-Cardinal Arianne
Lay-Cardinal Roberd
Bishop Sparticus
Inquisitor William
The candidates eligible to become High Priest are as follows:
Archbishop Jatha
Cardinal Aeneas
Cardinal Martin
Lay-Cardinal Roberd
The selection of the High Priest will commence tomorrow.
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I got the impression this is something Selene cooked up on her own, for some reason.
The reason is actually quite simple. IC Selene wanted the Church to have a more unified and organised structure than before with the involvement of more of the faithful so she came up with electing the High Priest.
OOC I just wanted the Church to be a bit more interesting.
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Good work for someone who's (probably) losing the leadership; it definitely seems to have worked.
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Sorry, what I meant was: "For some reason, I get the impression this is something Selene cooked up on her own."
As in: "I think she made it up herself, but I'm not sure why I think that."
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Oh, I see. Well, to be perfectly honest, it's based mostly on my very vague understanding of how the pope is elected with various other random bits thrown in. So yeah, Selene did mostly make it up herself. I mean she got the agreement from the rest of the elders for their to be a synod which elected the high priest but that was pretty much as far as things went.
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Need a new leader? What about Guillaume Chénier? :P
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Need a new leader? What about Guillaume Chénier? :P
That would kind of defeat the point of replacing a widely disliked leader of the Church :p
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That would kind of defeat the point of replacing a widely disliked leader of the Church :p
Hah.
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The results of the first round are:
5 votes for Aeneas
1 vote for Jatha
1 vote for Roberd
1 vote for Lucius
The Synod will now discuss the candidates amongst themselves and then vote again.
6 votes are required to a candidate to be selected.
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The results of the first round are:
5 votes for Aeneas
1 vote for Jatha
1 vote for Roberd
1 vote for Lucius
The Synod will now discuss the candidates amongst themselves and then vote again.
6 votes are required to a candidate to be selected.
Who won? If its Aeneas, Caspius will rise from the dead, I swear it.
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Who won? If its Aeneas, Caspius will rise from the dead, I swear it.
*buys a shotgun*
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*grabs a fire axe*
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Aeneas is now High Priest. Arise zombie Caspius :p
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What's wrong with Aeneas?
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Jeah what's wrong with Aeneas? He seems like a cool guy
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pretty sure it is more a reaction to zombie Caspius. :P
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Jeah what's wrong with Aeneas? He seems like a cool guy
That's easy to say. You are Aeneas.. ::)
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That's easy to say. You are Aeneas.. ::)
Not really...although I do play Aeneas and do enjoy it. Although for some reason I always have the tendency to come into power when things are a mess...
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What's wrong with Aeneas?
He was the pacifist advocate that constantly argued with Caspius over the latter's eagerness for war and provocation.
I'd have Caspius rise from the dead right now, but I honestly don't know where you guys put him. I can't powergame and have him rise from the dead wherever I want him to. Anybody care to help?
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Only when there's an undead horde spawning. His soulless husk can be leading them. :P
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Only when there's an undead horde spawning. His soulless husk can be leading them. :P
You know, that would be pretty extraordinary to RP.
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Though with all the Undead up and about, why have the people of the world Beluaterra's on not just opted for cremation?
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He was the pacifist advocate that constantly argued with Caspius over the latter's eagerness for war and provocation.
Because war and provocation seems to be working out so well for you guys?
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Because war and provocation seems to be working out so well for you guys?
I'm going to put this simply, in an effort to have you understand: The god of war. THE god of war. The GOD of war. The god of WAR. THE GOD OF WAR.
Aeneas (and Selene behind him) was trying to argue that pacifism was the better road to follow, as to assure our survival. Caspius argued that we should have war and provocation, so we could make our god, who coincidentally is the god of war, happy.
Not every decision has to be practical or pragmatic. Things can get really slow, lame, and boring when that's about the only agenda you follow.
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I'm going to put this simply, in an effort to have you understand: The god of war. THE god of war. The GOD of war. The god of WAR. THE GOD OF WAR.
Aeneas (and Selene behind him) was trying to argue that pacifism was the better road to follow, as to assure our survival. Caspius argued that we should have war and provocation, so we could make our god, who coincidentally is the god of war, happy.
Not every decision has to be practical or pragmatic. Things can get really slow, lame, and boring when that's about the only agenda you follow.
Because getting your religion destroyed is a great way to make your god happy. . . .
I understand where Caspius is coming from, though. He's a True Believer. Which, given the political situation, means that he is a danger to his religion's survival if he's in a leadership position.
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It may not have worked, but at least we weren't sitting around on our asses for three years, dying of apathy, like some realms. When we're a shadow of our former selves it will be because of something we *did*, not because 50% of our nobles left out of boredom, like some realms.
I, for one, am sick and tired of being in realms that are boring, do nothing, and just wither away. Screw that crap. Even if we lose, then at least we tried.
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Because getting your religion destroyed is a great way to make your god happy. . . .
I understand where Caspius is coming from, though. He's a True Believer. Which, given the political situation, means that he is a danger to his religion's survival if he's in a leadership position.
You obviously don't understand our god :P.
You know, I'm really surprised that no one told you this, Regent Morgan: 2012-08-16 Caspius Character died.
That was about 6 months ago XD.
It may not have worked, but at least we weren't sitting around on our asses for three years, dying of apathy, like some realms. When we're a shadow of our former selves it will be because of something we *did*, not because 50% of our nobles left out of boredom, like some realms.
I, for one, am sick and tired of being in realms that are boring, do nothing, and just wither away. Screw that crap. Even if we lose, then at least we tried.
Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes. A million times yes.
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I knew! And usurped him. >.>
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I knew! And usurped him. >.>
Okay hotshot, slow down there. One person glorifying themselves at a time.
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Silence, Martyr, and go let your Divine-preserved corpse rise from the dead. :p
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Silence, Martyr, and go let your Divine-preserved corpse rise from the dead. :p
I don't know where it is!
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Not really...although I do play Aeneas and do enjoy it. Although for some reason I always have the tendency to come into power when things are a mess...
I would have gladly taken that burden away from you. But you insisted on inheriting this mess as well.
You obviously don't understand our god :P.
You obviously don't understand your own God.
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Sartanism's willingness to shake things up is what makes it fun, however it needs to be done intelligently. Caspius' apparent policy of "attack first, think later" may have been fun for bored Sorrainian veterans, it wasn't for Sartanians outside the theocracy who desired some kind of political career. What makes a religion fun is successful conflict, and part of that is being a good diplomat to allow you to get away with religious wars on a continent where secularism is the ruling ideology.
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BURN THE CODE
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Things would have been much different if Caspius hadn't suddenly, spontaneously melted down, and then his replacement started a war and then ignored everything.
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I, for one, am sick and tired of being in realms that are boring, do nothing, and just wither away. Screw that crap. Even if we lose, then at least we tried.
That certainly does seem to be the Sartanian circle of life in a nutshell. Rise, make some bizarre decision, collapse in on yourselves, repeat cycle.
It does make things interesting even if it leaves a checkered history behind. You guys should stop picking on Ohnar West and try and stir up something else though.
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You obviously don't understand your own God.
Wanna duel over it?
Sartanism's willingness to shake things up is what makes it fun, however it needs to be done intelligently. Caspius' apparent policy of "attack first, think later" may have been fun for bored Sorrainian veterans, it wasn't for Sartanians outside the theocracy who desired some kind of political career. What makes a religion fun is successful conflict, and part of that is being a good diplomat to allow you to get away with religious wars on a continent where secularism is the ruling ideology.
You're assuming Caspius was going to lose his conflicts, and that he was a poor diplomat. To every man his opinions, but Caspius did manage to keep Sorraine in a good position whilst being alive.
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You guys should stop picking on Ohnar West and try and stir up something else though.
Hear hear!
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You're assuming Caspius was going to lose his conflicts, and that he was a poor diplomat. To every man his opinions, but Caspius did manage to keep Sorraine in a good position whilst being alive.
You're assuming an awful lot about Aeneas as well. He does believe in war etc, but not for bloodlust and that seemed the apparent difference between Caspius and Aeneas. He's also seen the CoI fall before and is hellbend to ensure it doesn't happen again. The political atmosphere which was left to Aeneas is difficult and needs to be handled first before the CoS wishes to accomplish greatness again.
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You're assuming an awful lot about Aeneas as well. He does believe in war etc, but not for bloodlust and that seemed the apparent difference between Caspius and Aeneas. He's also seen the CoI fall before and is hellbend to ensure it doesn't happen again. The political atmosphere which was left to Aeneas is difficult and needs to be handled first before the CoS wishes to accomplish greatness again.
I knew Aeneas, so that's hardly assuming anything: it's more or less anecdotal evidence.
Greatness is accomplished through war and triumph in the name of Sartan. It is no accomplished by standing idly by and letting the Adghar faith be reborn in one's own lands :P
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Wanna duel over it?
Sure, a dead corpse against a priest. Two reason why that won't work out. But me char has served the Church twice as long as Caspius has lived, and I see you make the same mistake all non-believers make. That makes me think you do not know your own God.
Greatness is accomplished through war and triumph in the name of Sartan. It is no accomplished by standing idly by and letting the Adghar faith be reborn in one's own lands :P
Agreed. The Adgharin Way must never be reborn.
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Agreed. The Adgharin Way must never be reborn.
Awwww. Lol.
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In other news, after one day of preaching in the Cagilan Empire Selene has been ordered to leave upon pain of death. Her winning way just keeps on making her friends ;)