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BattleMaster => BM General Discussion => Topic started by: NireusD.Natalle on January 06, 2013, 10:50:16 AM
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I'm a lord of a townsland region. I also setup 3 estate which 40,30,30 in size and have efficient 82,93,93.. I want to know what size estate i must setup to get max income with lord share 50%?
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Might as well throw in a tiny question here as well. What exactly IS estate efficiency? At first I though it had something to do with production, morale, etc. and stuff, but then I found an estate that was at 86% efficiency with morale, production, and loyalty of the region all at 100%, so clearly that's not it.
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I'm a lord of a townsland region. I also setup 3 estate which 40,30,30 in size and have efficient 82,93,93.. I want to know what size estate i must setup to get max income with lord share 50%?
I think it depends on the size of your region. Try playing with the tax rate too, but your efficiency already looks pretty good to me. As long as your stats don't drop (rapidly) I think you're good. If they keep steady, try raising taxes.
Might as well throw in a tiny question here as well. What exactly IS estate efficiency? At first I though it had something to do with production, morale, etc. and stuff, but then I found an estate that was at 86% efficiency with morale, production, and loyalty of the region all at 100%, so clearly that's not it.
I think your estate efficiency is only part of the calculation for your stats. Both tax rate, estate efficiency and some other factors (I can't name them) are taken into account? Not sure though, I hope someone can give a definite answer.
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Estates don't affect Morale, Production etc. any more, but Estate Efficiency is used for Tax Collection. Say if your Region collects 200 gold, and your 50% Estate has an efficiency of 80%, you'd get 200 * 0.5 (Estate Size) * 0.8 (Estate Efficiency) = 80 gold from it. Not sure if that's the actual formula but that's the idea behind it. Of course, smaller Estates may have higher efficiency and increase total tax income, they might need to be so small that it only offers a too small income for the Knight in question. It also requires you to find Knights to fill all those Estates in the first place (All non-filled Estates have an efficiency of 50% like Wildlands). The rule of thumb is: Max income for the Lord is taking one biggest size Estate and leaving the rest Wildlands with no Knights. Max Income for the Region is having 100% efficiency Estates taken by Knights, though this tends to decrease personal income depending on the Lord's Share (Except when this is at 50% in your case). Efficiency depends on Region Type and Population, so I suggest experimenting what gives you the best setup.
But due the above, you'd usually see something in between, like your current Estate Setup, that provides decent Efficiency and decent Tax Income to all Knights, without making individual shares too low or requiring too many Knights per region (Though keep in mind, that if you can, having more Knights can give you more power within a Realm, at least indirectly!). A Lord's Share of 50% is pretty high though, and may not entice Knights to take an Estate in your region as they are forced to hand over half of their income to you. Other regions probably will give them a better deal!
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Thanks a lot for clearing that up you two :)
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I just resize my estate to 30% and efficient 92; lower than knight estate?
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Estates of Nobles that are also the Lord of the region do take a penalty compared to Estates of Nobles that are 'only' Knights.
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so i resize to 35% and give me max income for my region.. My region tax are set at 15%, can i raise it to 20..i'm a banker and see one mountain region set 22%; hurting production of the region.
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If you have enough Knights to cover the rest of your lands, then that would mean max income for the region, though individual income may suffer. Otherwise, bigger Estates with say 90% efficiencies are still better then vacant Estates with 50% efficiency. Of course, keeping a vacant Estate around helps Nobles finding an Estate easier, especially if there isn't much room in the Realm.
Are you the Banker of Fronen and the Lord of Qrelg? Because that sounds familiar :) You have to be careful with your tax rate and get a feel how you can handle it. Ippetimbal runs a 22% Tax Rate because the Lord holds Court and does Courtier Work there every day, the region is right next to the Capital and he quickly drops the tax rate if he has to leave or he sees his region deteriorating. He's pushing the peasants to the very limit, something your character may not wish to do. For if anything happens to Ippetimbal, the region will quickly become a mess like this.
If your region is doing fine, raise your tax rate slowly over the course of time, and see how your Region reacts. I'd say anything with 20%+ is where you're starting to push the limits (Though I don't have too much experience with it all, I never really dared to go higher then low 20's). Go for 17%, then perhaps add a % if all goes well and see where you feel comfortable with it. If you're away from your region a lot and don't pay attention as much, you need a lower tax rate then if you're sitting in your region every day to hold Court, or can go back every once in a while to get things in shape. And don't be afraid to drop it quickly if things do go bad. Lower tax rate means bigger safety net. You can choose to forego that safety net, but that's always risky.
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Not Qrelg, but Jyl. Lord antonio just being elect as judge today. You also member of fronen? I think 18% will be max i will try in jyl.
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ahh yes, oops. Was looking wrong. I'd advise to just have three Estates personally then, so you have one Vacant :) That can attract Knights while still collecting good taxes from the region.
I play the Lord of Ippetimbal, hence it sounded so familiar :P
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Ohh :D so brave to do that in ippetimbal. Anyway Please give me a hand in the future because of my first time as banker ;D
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If you create an estate with efficiency 100%, even if it is empty, it will still have efficiency 100%. Just the gold produced minus the lord's share is wasted.
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If you create an estate with efficiency 100%, even if it is empty, it will still have efficiency 100%. Just the gold produced minus the lord's share is wasted.
So wild lands are better? I think that's a bad concept, since it encourages lords not to have open estates.
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I thought taxes from both empty estates and wild lands went to the lord, at a 50% rate. i.e. the lord gets 50% of what is collected from each, and the rest disappears.
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An empty Estate only collects half taxes yes.
I'm a bit confused to what Foundation said, but if I understand it right with Penchant's comment, it still is affected by its efficiency. So a 90% vacant estate would collect 100 * 0.9 (efficiency) * 0.5 (vacancy) = 45 gold, while wildlands would generate 50 gold for the Lord. Is that right? If so, wildlands would generally be more efficient than vacant estates, and never worse. Perhaps vacant Estates should be treated as wildlands, as I erroneously believed was the case.
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If you create an estate with efficiency 100%, even if it is empty, it will still have efficiency 100%. Just the gold produced minus the lord's share is wasted.
An empty Estate only collects half taxes yes.
I'm a bit confused to what Foundation said, but if I understand it right with Penchant's comment, it still is affected by its efficiency. So a 90% vacant estate would collect 100 * 0.9 (efficiency) * 0.5 (vacancy) = 45 gold, while wildlands would generate 50 gold for the Lord. Is that right? If so, wildlands would generally be more efficient than vacant estates, and never worse. Perhaps vacant Estates should be treated as wildlands, as I erroneously believed was the case.
It would be with a 90% vacant estate and 25% lords share, 100 * 0.9 (efficiency) *.25 (lords share)= 22.5 gold based on what Foundation said.
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No, that doesn't happen. A vacant Estate only collects half taxes, and sends that directly to the Lord. From the game:
"Also, vacant estates will only collect half of the expected tax, but send everything they collect to you directly."
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No, that doesn't happen. A vacant Estate only collects half taxes, and sends that directly to the Lord. From the game:
"Also, vacant estates will only collect half of the expected tax, but send everything they collect to you directly."
I said based on what Foundation said, 22.5 gold is the outcome. I didn't say that is what happens or what the game says.
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Yeah, I'm just saying that's not how it seems to work.
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half of... what's expected. So is that half of 100%, or half of 90%, of the efficiency of the vacant estate is 90%?
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My previous post was wrong. Rob is correct, half of whatever is collected from an empty estate or wildlands goes to the lord.