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Title: Proposed new rule regarding posting of IC messages on the forum
Post by: Indirik on February 22, 2013, 09:30:36 PM
I would like to discuss a new proposed forum rule regarding the posting of IG messages on the forum. I think the issue is getting out of hand. Basically, this proposal:

If you are not the original author of the message in-game, then you don't post it on the forum. Period. Infringing messages will be edited out by forum mods, and the poster will be issued a warning.

Discuss...
Title: Re: Proposed new rule regarding posting of IC messages on the forum
Post by: Anaris on February 22, 2013, 09:39:27 PM
Title: Re: Proposed new rule regarding posting of IC messages on the forum
Post by: Perth on February 22, 2013, 10:06:33 PM
I think this is a good idea.

Title: Re: Proposed new rule regarding posting of IC messages on the forum
Post by: jaune on February 22, 2013, 10:45:46 PM
I would totally agree...

And, yes... only messages you have sent. That someone sends it to whole realm, doesnt mean it to be sent whole BM.

I as Darkan ruler often send messages to my realm mates, which i wouldnt always want to certain people to see... or discussed at forums.

Ofcourse exception would be magistrate/titan issues.

-Jaune
Title: Re: Proposed new rule regarding posting of IC messages on the forum
Post by: Chenier on February 22, 2013, 11:23:59 PM
Where exactly has this been a problem?
Title: Re: Proposed new rule regarding posting of IC messages on the forum
Post by: jaune on February 22, 2013, 11:27:48 PM
Last time i saw it on "Phoenix rising" thread.
Title: Re: Proposed new rule regarding posting of IC messages on the forum
Post by: Penchant on February 22, 2013, 11:35:35 PM
Title: Re: Proposed new rule regarding posting of IC messages on the forum
Post by: Draco Tanos on February 23, 2013, 12:24:06 AM
People don't post on the forums, they'll post on the wiki.  They don't post on the wiki, they'll post on Facebook.  They don't post on Facebook, they'll share on IRC or IM services.

Things will be shared IC and OOC.  Sorry to burst your bubble.  Rules for the sake of having rules is silly.
Title: Re: Proposed new rule regarding posting of IC messages on the forum
Post by: Penchant on February 23, 2013, 01:59:01 AM
People don't post on the forums, they'll post on the wiki.  They don't post on the wiki, they'll post on Facebook.  They don't post on Facebook, they'll share on IRC or IM services.

Things will be shared IC and OOC.  Sorry to burst your bubble.  Rules for the sake of having rules is silly.
The forum is where its at. While there are quite a few that frequent IRC, none of the rest are places that people commonly talk about BM on, and I don't see that suddenly changing because of a rule. Also its not a rule, just to have a rule. Its a rule because people can have issues separating IC and OOC and this will help prevent that.
Title: Re: Proposed new rule regarding posting of IC messages on the forum
Post by: Indirik on February 23, 2013, 03:59:20 AM
Posting IC messages for public view, especially messages that are private, or of limited distribution, can easily cause problems. Yes, they can be shared elsewhere. But that doesn't mean that sharing them there, or here, is the right thing to do. And perhaps if we don't allow it here, that may make people think twice about sharing them anywhere.

In addition, I think I agree with jaune regarding even realm-wide messages. Just because a message has been posted to a realm doesn't mean that it is in general circulation.
Title: Re: Proposed new rule regarding posting of IC messages on the forum
Post by: Dishman on February 23, 2013, 04:34:01 AM
I would think that etiquette would require that you contact the person when posting their messages. Magistrates cases aside, it won't hurt anything to get permission before you make comments public.

As far as making it a rule to not post other's messages, I dunno. Some people do not use the forums so we may lose some juicy gossip that no one cares if it's spread. I guess that isn't much of a loss to protect IC interactions.
Title: Re: Proposed new rule regarding posting of IC messages on the forum
Post by: Tom on February 23, 2013, 01:29:03 PM
Maybe the easier solution to making rules is reminding people of an obvious fact:

There is no way to guarantee these messages are genuine. They could just as well be 100% made-up.
Title: Re: Proposed new rule regarding posting of IC messages on the forum
Post by: jaune on February 23, 2013, 02:27:40 PM
Thats true, but then again i still would consider that OOC playing... trying to effect game play through OOC means.

It is diffrent to say things at forum with your own words, than copy paste messages sent.... people could understand things diffrently...

I dont know if actually rule is needed, but i just think it would be good people to think few times before posting IG messages at forums.

This can easily lead to that i rather talk smaller and smaller group of people IG, or totally outside the game at IRC to avoid being "ambushed" at forums.

-Jaune
Title: Re: Proposed new rule regarding posting of IC messages on the forum
Post by: Chenier on February 23, 2013, 03:58:30 PM
I doubt any other medium gets as much visibility as the forums.
Title: Re: Proposed new rule regarding posting of IC messages on the forum
Post by: Penchant on February 23, 2013, 06:04:32 PM
Maybe the easier solution to making rules is reminding people of an obvious fact:

There is no way to guarantee these messages are genuine. They could just as well be 100% made-up.
There is an issue with that, the same reason 90% of letters shared IG are accepted as fact. Its highly unlikely they actually made a good forgery, especially since how that specific character talks is different than the person reporting the message.
Title: Re: Proposed new rule regarding posting of IC messages on the forum
Post by: Tom on February 23, 2013, 06:29:08 PM
There is an issue with that, the same reason 90% of letters shared IG are accepted as fact. Its highly unlikely they actually made a good forgery, especially since how that specific character talks is different than the person reporting the message.

Yes, but there are many other ways short of outright forgery. Taking things out of context, selective quoting, taking several messages and pasting them together...
Title: Re: Proposed new rule regarding posting of IC messages on the forum
Post by: Penchant on February 23, 2013, 06:46:42 PM
Yes, but there are many other ways short of outright forgery. Taking things out of context, selective quoting, taking several messages and pasting them together...
The first one is known to happen, the second does everyone in a while but the several messages thing doesn't really work unless its all to one person unless and that person doesn't go on the forums.
Title: Re: Proposed new rule regarding posting of IC messages on the forum
Post by: Indirik on February 23, 2013, 07:02:55 PM
That all sounds too much like metagaming.
Title: Re: Proposed new rule regarding posting of IC messages on the forum
Post by: egamma on February 23, 2013, 11:31:49 PM
That all sounds too much like metagaming.

It sounds like fun, actually. We could have an entire forum dedicated to "suspicious quotes", where people can post letters and forgeries and others can guess if they are real or fake.
Title: Re: Proposed new rule regarding posting of IC messages on the forum
Post by: Draco Tanos on February 24, 2013, 01:04:08 AM
That does actually sound sort of amusing.
Title: Re: Proposed new rule regarding posting of IC messages on the forum
Post by: Gloria on February 24, 2013, 04:50:12 AM
It sounds like fun, actually. We could have an entire forum dedicated to "suspicious quotes", where people can post letters and forgeries and others can guess if they are real or fake.

Sounds fun.  This should be a metagame.