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BattleMaster => Development => Feature Requests => Topic started by: Dante Silverfire on February 24, 2013, 08:26:06 PM
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Title: Anonymous Messaging Option in Secret Societies
Summary: Just as there is a way in normal messaging to pay for your letters to not include who it was all sent to, I think that while in a secret society it should be possible for messages sent in a secret society to be "anonymous" as it is in the underground. Either via a small payment to make it such, or simply an option to select.
Details: It could be that these messages are only anonymous to those who are on the same level or lower than you in the secret society hierarchy. Or that all messages are anonymous except the elders will always know who sends what.
Benefits: This would allow secret societies to function a lot better with actually maintaining the anonymity of members in the society instead of ruining the knowledge of who is in the society as soon as you use it to send a message.
Possible Exploits: None.
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Pretty sure this has been rejected numerous times...
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Pretty sure this has been rejected numerous times...
Well it wasn't listed on frequently rejected so I added it here when I thought of it.
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I don't know that it was ever proposed in relation to secret societies.
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What I see as being really cool is the ability for a noble to be invited by one other person to join a secret society. Upon joining the society may have 20 members but they only know the identity of one.
Then, that new member can receive orders from all members above them without that new member knowing who these people are. However, they know that they trust the one who invited them so they will continue to work for the good of the society.
Likewise, members can talk and plan amongst themselves without revealing their identities to each other. The elders know who is saying what, but the rest won't.
This would make me much more inclined to use secret societies in new and inventive ways.
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This is an interesting idea for a secret society. This would be the only idea for anonymous messaging that I would support.
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It kind of takes away the whole goal of a secret society if everyone knows everyone...
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Possible Exploits: None.
Did you even think for twelve consecutive seconds about this? 'Cause I'm sure that if you did, you could come up with some exploits for this...
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Anaris, ever saying how we're wrong without pointing out exactly what is wrong...
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Anaris, ever saying how we're wrong without pointing out exactly what is wrong...
Ain't my job to come up with possible exploits for his feature request.
I'd just once like to see evidence that someone actually put thought into the Exploits section, rather than simply saying, "Eh, can't possibly be any; it's something I thought of, after all!"
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It isn't your job. However, it is something I like to call being helpful. Should try it some time, really feels good.
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It isn't your job. However, it is something I like to call being helpful. Should try it some time, really feels good.
Tim codes the game. What do you do?
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I'm sorry, I always think about possible exploits for my different requests and add them when I can think of some.
I couldn't come up with anything that I thought would be exploitative to the detriment of game play.
Any "exploits" I could come up with, didn't seem as bad things to me, so I left them off the section. Stuff such as:
1. Alternative to an underground for planning. (Don't see anything wrong with that. Using the underground now is a bad idea anyway imo, and good rebellions don't use it except until the last moment)
2. Replacement to realm/in-game messaging in general? (Highly unlikely to ever work out in such a manner, and wouldn't be effective.)
So, I mean I really can't come up with anything that this could be used for to exploit the game or system in a manner that leads to a detriment. Secret Societies are supposed to be secret gathering locations for nefarious acts and plans. This implies that understanding of memberships is not something that wants to be easily available. The feature request is also kept in check that if anyone is abusing a higher position in the society, the elders will know who sent the messages.
Again, I'm sorry, but it must be the way I think as I still can't come up with anymore exploits. I spent a few minutes when writing this to think of it originally and came up with none just as now.
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I could see it being used to anonymously trash-talk other players, and to send other forms of abusive messages. There would need to be some way to enable reporting of these messages.
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Also, the messages would not have any Vulgarity link. There would need to be some hidden sender field for accountability purposes.
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I could see it being used to anonymously trash-talk other players, and to send other forms of abusive messages. There would need to be some way to enable reporting of these messages.
If it happens, the elders know who sent what and it can be reported to the Magistrates.
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If it happens, the elders know who sent what and it can be reported to the Magistrates.
While I can understand that, I can also see it not being enough as well.
If the Elders are the ones doing it, or if there is only one elder, and he/she does it.
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While I can understand that, I can also see it not being enough as well.
If the Elders are the ones doing it, or if there is only one elder, and he/she does it.
Report it to the Magistrates and they can have the titans get the necessary proof needed.
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If it happens, the elders know who sent what and it can be reported to the Magistrates.
Unless it's anonymous to everyone but the elders.
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How about code names? The magistrates would be able to know who has what name. Complaint could be filed without actually knowing who you are complaining about.
*these could be names that are used or OOC strings attached to messages.
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Unless it's anonymous to everyone but the elders.
How does that make any sense? If the elders know who is sending what they can give the necessary messages to the magistrates, or the magistrates can just have the titans check it out for them... though the code name idea does not sound like a bad idea either.
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How does that make any sense? If the elders know who is sending what they can give the necessary messages to the magistrates, or the magistrates can just have the titans check it out for them... though the code name idea does not sound like a bad idea either.
If the elders know who is responsible for any possible spam or slurs, they can deal with them themselves as well as file a proper complain against the guilty parties.
I never really liked how un-secretive secret societies were as far as intra-guild communications go.
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If the elders know who is responsible for any possible spam or slurs, they can deal with them themselves as well as file a proper complain against the guilty parties.
I never really liked how un-secretive secret societies were as far as intra-guild communications go.
Exactly so I don't get what your previous post was about.
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Exactly so I don't get what your previous post was about.
My message should have been written as "unless it is made so that..."
As it is, when someone writes a message in secret societies, everyone who gets to read it knows who sent it. What the suggestion proposed is an option where no one would know who sent it. So I proposed a middle ground, where only the elders would know who sent it.
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Which was already part of the original feature request, Chenier....
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I could see it being used to anonymously trash-talk other players, and to send other forms of abusive messages. There would need to be some way to enable reporting of these messages.
This was mostly what I was replying to.
After re-reading the discussion, I realize now that the quote I used made it all sound rather confusing. 'cause I was basically saying the same thing you were. Apologies for the confusion.
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This was mostly what I was replying to.
After re-reading the discussion, I realize now that the quote I used made it all sound rather confusing. 'cause I was basically saying the same thing you were. Apologies for the confusion.
That, and it is a part of the feature request already to echo Gustav
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Rather than no name given, why not give everyone in secret societies a pseudonym? Adair Bedwyr doesn't write something, the Red Fox does. If you can find out who the Red Fox is via other means, yes, it breaks the anonymity, but I think that's a reasonable kind of intrigue. And that would make it very easy to OOC police as necessary.
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Rather than no name given, why not give everyone in secret societies a pseudonym? Adair Bedwyr doesn't write something, the Red Fox does. If you can find out who the Red Fox is via other means, yes, it breaks the anonymity, but I think that's a reasonable kind of intrigue. And that would make it very easy to OOC police as necessary.
Better yet, not a pseudonym, but just the name of the person's position within the secrete society.
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Better yet, not a pseudonym, but just the name of the person's position within the secrete society.
That works as long as they are unique.
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That works as long as they are unique.
AKA, it doesn't work. I originally was in favor in anonymity but after consideration, I hate the idea. This is character interaction for one and for two, you have to actually have someone to send it to, even if it is a pseudonym. I could come up with more reasons, but I hope I don't need to.
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You could assume that whoever "runs" the society knows who everyone is, and routes messages accordingly. Or you could make other changes to make SS messaging more unique and support the "anonymous" aspect.
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All of this pseudonym nonsense is just that: Nonsense.
Either you're anonymous or not.
Also, I think some are misinterpreting the point of this. One of the central issues that I want to address with this feature request is giving the ability to elders to contact those below in the secret society without revealing their identity. That way, the leadership of such a society can be held secret even when the grunts may also be secret from each other.
The point is not to hold long anonymous discussions, but that will be somewhat possible. The point is that the elders know the members, but the members shouldn't easily know the elders. The same for the aspirant ranks. You shouldn't know who those higher than you are.
Therefore, simply allow an option to send a letter anonymously in the secret society and make it fully anonymous (no nicknames) to all except the elders. Alternatively, only allow elders to send anonymous letters within the society.
(Aside: Who all gets a message when a new member joins a secret society? Who is their identity revealed to?)
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I think the elders are informed. The elders can see the entire membership tree for their ranks and all ranks below them.
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I think the elders are informed. The elders can see the entire membership tree for their ranks and all ranks below them.
Okay, if others were informed, I would have made a feature request to make it only the elders.
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Tim codes the game. What do you do?
I play a Duke on the internet!
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I play a Duke on the internet!
Lies! Your highest positions are ambassador and earl atm.
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I played an advie.
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Lies! Your highest positions are ambassador and earl atm.
Shhhh.
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Lies! Your highest positions are ambassador and earl atm.
While no Himoura is a Duke, there is a strong possibility that a Duke is being played by a Himoura. ;)
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While no Himoura is a Duke, there is a strong possibility that a Duke is being played by a Himoura. ;)
Don't tell Sevastian ;)
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While no Himoura is a Duke, there is a strong possibility that a Duke is being played by a Himoura. ;)
That I must admit is true.
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If we are concerned about being able to report abusive messages, have anonymous messages include a 20 digit string which is unique to that message, which the magistrates would be able to decode, but would be entirely useless to everyone else.
Again I do not know how difficult it would be to have the elders be able to know who sent the message without everyone else knowing.
Is this too hard to code? Which constraint does this not deal with?
Other than the "I don't like the idea in general?"