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BattleMaster => Locals => Dwilight => Topic started by: Galvez on April 11, 2011, 10:48:27 AM
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What would your character on Dwilight fear the most?
I had to chose between Monster invasions and the Zuma on Warpath. And as I experienced both, I know what I fear the most.
The monsters are a constant threat, but will not easily be able to destroy Barca, while if those daemons where to siege our city it would be game-over.
Also, if you chose 'Other...', please let us know why. ;)
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Rogue Forces, a constant threat. I have nothing to fear from SA, the Zuma, while always a threat, can be reasoned with to a certain degree.
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I do not fear SA because I am in one lol. But I am kind of afraid of rebellions. It seems to happen a lot often these days.
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Monsters, they still strike fear in me because they never go away and always leave Dwilight with that unsafe feeling. Travel, war and nation running are all extremely hard because of the monster threat.
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Other: I fear Dwilight crashing into the ocean?
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Other: I fear Dwilight crashing into the ocean?
by madinan culture/religion, dwilight is only in existence thanks to the oceans mercy.
When shes upset enough, she will flood all the land of the west.
We better start praying for mercy. :P
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Definitely monsters.
Zuma are terrifying, no doubt, but monsters are a sleepless malice.
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For Kale, definitely the Zuma.
While they've been very reasonable with us so far, if they all of a sudden decided too, I'm pretty sure they could clean Maroccidens of Humans.
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Hm..definitely rebellions/successions, wonder why..
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I don't fear any of these 8)
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Probably because you are always on the planning side of bad things happening ;)
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I don't fear any of these 8)
Quoted for truth.
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"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain"
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I fear never being able to start my own realm :'(
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I fear never being able to start my own realm :'(
Well you could do what I did, first found your own realm with a handful of coins and one other person like in old Thulsoma, or join a realm and wage a coup...
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I find it interesting that SA is so low on this scale. Monsters and the Zuma form the huge bulk of threats.
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It's about what I would expect. The threat of SA invasion is way overblown. It makes for a good IC rallying cry, but I think most of the players themselves understand that it's just a "foreign threat to rally the locals" type of thing.
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Other...There really isn't anything to fear on Dwilight. I guess the only fear is that my character's plans are discovered before he is ready. As that seems to happen an annoying number of times.
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Sanguis Astroism on Crusades against all heathens is my dream, not a fear :)
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I find it interesting that SA is so low on this scale. Monsters and the Zuma form the huge bulk of threats.
I think the point of that is people understand SA is still limited to humans, and as such their effective range is limited. Madina probably could care less about any attack from SA in the foreseeable future, as I'd expect the units of any theocracy going down there will likely hit over 75% damage by the time they reach the south.
The Zuma people fear might be people being paranoid about a few characters making unwise decisions. Well, daimons are supposed to be scary anyway, so I guess it is appropriate.
The monsters are something mostly unpredictable and constant, and can strike anywhere. For smaller realms, often they spell death. For larger realms, an annoyance.
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Even for larger realms, monsters can spell death. The Lurian lands (which are allied and helping each other out, might as well be one realm for dealing with monster purposes) have been hit with hordes that are at least two, possibly three times the combined realm's CS in the past two weeks, and we've got another fifteen thousand surrounding us right now with some moving in.
Besides, SA can be reasoned with. It's only a problem for those who want it to be a problem, in which case it's not a fear as a desire.
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It's about what I would expect. The threat of SA invasion is way overblown. It makes for a good IC rallying cry, but I think most of the players themselves understand that it's just a "foreign threat to rally the locals" type of thing.
Many will probable find common ground on the subject of SA as a threat, yet it are only those adjecent to them to fear for holy crusades.
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Solips is insane, so his greatest fear is the Fish People. The orcestrated this last invasion, so...Don't drink mercury kids.
Gog is terrified of his Cousin Ciann, because she cut off his hand and gave it to his sister Scathac as a gift. He's heard she joined a crusading order and he knows he's an evil SOB so he's just praying that he doesn't end up hung by her.
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Er, Dwilight, man...Dwilight. You might have been thinking of that continent that's about 30% covered in some gray fog when you were talking about Solips.
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Other: the realm losing nobles, causing it's decline. And for the inactivity of some to increase
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Fissoa losing nobles? They gained around 12 nobles after Giask was lost, is it not? ??? And now you are losing those nobles? Or do you fear they might leave?
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I fear they might leave :) I suppose some have left, but nothing out of the ordinary. I'm not really worried :p
And it was never 12 :p 4 or 5, perhaps.
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I really thought like 10 to 12 nobles joined Fissoa. I thought most chose for either Fissoa or Terran/colony with a few exceptions.
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My greatest fear is that one day all cities will be colonized. Food prices will skyrocket and starvation will be chronic everywhere. I honestly doubt that the continent is anywhere near self-sufficient in food production should every region be at 100%.
Feeding the isles is trouble enough as it is. If more big cities are to be taken, it'll become pretty near impossible.
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An entire continent of starvation...
It's... so beautiful....
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I do not believe that the rural lands of Dwilight wouldn't produce enough food to feed all its cities. But where it to happen that food becomes (even more) scarce, then I am glad to be part of Barca, taking into account that we will start to take some rural lands ourselves as well. ;)
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The recent developments hint at a troubling future for a large part of Dwilight. See those realms with barely 10 nobles in them? Asylon, Aurvandil, Barca, D'Hara, and Madina. To be so spread across a yet hostile land is not a guide to a bright future. When humans are fragmented with their banners, the wilds will gain pressure.
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I do not believe that the rural lands of Dwilight wouldn't produce enough food to feed all its cities. But where it to happen that food becomes (even more) scarce, then I am glad to be part of Barca, taking into account that we will start to take some rural lands ourselves as well. ;)
Making you target of said realm nearby with little food...
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I disagree that we should be a lumping together into 3 or 4 huge realms across Dwilight.
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The recent developments hint at a troubling future for a large part of Dwilight. See those realms with barely 10 nobles in them? Asylon, Aurvandil, Barca, D'Hara, and Madina. To be so spread across a yet hostile land is not a guide to a bright future. When humans are fragmented with their banners, the wilds will gain pressure.
However, many small realms is almost certainly the most efficient use of resources. Higher taxes, shorter travel times, easier group cohesion, and numerous other factors would indicate that small realms are the best return. They need big realms somewhere behind them to funnel resources, but small realms manage the land more effectively.
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Aye, and if history is any reminder of anything it is the large realms on Dwilight that are the most vicious and warlike and eager to strike out at others around them! ;)
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Xinhai/Morek Empire was not like this. We have been attacked, in one form or another, by those around us (save a short foray by Allison and her army into Summerdale, but that was a personal quest to kill Bowie, completely unauthorized). For example, while we were at war with Aquilegia, the Raivan and Libero Empires both decided to make a land grab. Thulsoma taunted all of SA and executed a noble of Morek Empire. Averoth interfered in a Crusade against said Thulsoma.
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However, many small realms is almost certainly the most efficient use of resources. Higher taxes, shorter travel times, easier group cohesion, and numerous other factors would indicate that small realms are the best return. They need big realms somewhere behind them to funnel resources, but small realms manage the land more effectively.
Time only will be the final judge, but if the past is any indication, with the quenching of realms like Viridian, Melodia, Virovene, Raivan Empire, Aquilegia, Myern, Tulsoma, Ordenstaat, due to reasons both due to man and nature, then there is not a very promising future for the current small realms. Their military strength is negligible, and would require the assistance of strong military to keep them alive for any amount of time. I expect that Barca has been enjoying consistent aid from Terran or D'Hara. Aurvandil fighting Madina is a rather bad sign for both of them, but that's human conflict for you.
My big assumption here is that there are too many egos trying to strike out their own names, but in the process that only spreads resources, and leads to the perpetuation of Dwilight as mostly concentrated in only certain areas. While the stories that could arise from it are great, it would be a constant frustration for those who sought fame and glory. Well, perhaps fighting monsters does earn some "glory".
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We rely much on Terran and D'Hara, true, but it is taking like forever for the population in Rettleville to rise. So it is hard to become self-sufficient. But we have survived our first YD.
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Barca needs Thysan, badly, or it won't start producing anything, to be honest.
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Rettlewood and Thysan would be a good start. Seeing how much harder Rettlewood grew in comparison to Rettleville, these lands can provide us with much food and recruits. Badly required at the moment.
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Yeah. Thysan is next to Paisland and Odona (Not sure how Odona's population is) and Maeotis (half-way full). It will grow much quicker then Rettlewood, like Maeotis did. With Maeotis still not entirely recovered, it will go much better. With Thysan, you then finally get Gold, Food and Recruits.
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Indeed, Thysan should grow quite quickly. Odona has reasonably good population, and Paisland has plenty.
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Time only will be the final judge, but if the past is any indication, with the quenching of realms like Viridian, Melodia, Virovene, Raivan Empire, Aquilegia, Myern, Tulsoma, Ordenstaat, due to reasons both due to man and nature, then there is not a very promising future for the current small realms. Their military strength is negligible, and would require the assistance of strong military to keep them alive for any amount of time. I expect that Barca has been enjoying consistent aid from Terran or D'Hara. Aurvandil fighting Madina is a rather bad sign for both of them, but that's human conflict for you.
My big assumption here is that there are too many egos trying to strike out their own names, but in the process that only spreads resources, and leads to the perpetuation of Dwilight as mostly concentrated in only certain areas. While the stories that could arise from it are great, it would be a constant frustration for those who sought fame and glory. Well, perhaps fighting monsters does earn some "glory".
Many of the realms you mentioned were isolated. This is no longer the case, with D'Hara and Terran having a solid border with each other and at least a handful of stabilized regions each. D'Hara hasn't had any rogue problems since the "Event" that, combined with massive starvation and invading forces, led us to lose most of our regions. Rebuilding efforts since have been going great, and our trade is much more developed then it was then. Though our military is rather weak, and our omnipresent walls are our greatest asset (only 1 region can't have them right now, out of the total 2 at our peak of expansion).
Ordenstaat is another story. There was lots of multicheating, which lead to rebellions, which led to them being mistrusted by the neighbors at best, and despised by many. While Barca has the full support of her neighbours, such could not be said of Ordenstaat.
Terran and D'Hara have been there for a very long time, and there's nothing to hint they won't remain for long still.
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Even Ordenstaat stayed alive for a pathetic amount of time, and they at one point even had more nobles than peasants, in their last region, which was a city.
But my prediction will remain that Asylon will likely never get a secure hold of Koshtlom, and Barca will probably never get a secure hold on Twainville. Aurvandil has some hope in that they have a fairly good position on the peninsula, but Madina is breathing down their south. Madina as well might never regain the capacity to populate the entire big southern island.
I may sound pessimistic here, but the trend really doesn't help matters, nor does history of most realms. Asylon has had the longest among the current "new" realms to attract nobles. It has 10. All other realms can sort of be explained, and Barca is at 10 nobles in a short time, though I think they have one new character made after the initial colonization waves from Terran. It's an adventurer.
Do really prove me wrong though. I'd like to be pleasantly surprised to see Asylon secure Koshtlom, and Barca occupy the forest duchies. I'd like to see Aurvandil spread across the southwest peninsula, and D'Hara occupy the middle islands fully.
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Even Ordenstaat stayed alive for a pathetic amount of time, and they at one point even had more nobles than peasants, in their last region, which was a city.
But my prediction will remain that Asylon will likely never get a secure hold of Koshtlom, and Barca will probably never get a secure hold on Twainville. Aurvandil has some hope in that they have a fairly good position on the peninsula, but Madina is breathing down their south. Madina as well might never regain the capacity to populate the entire big southern island.
I may sound pessimistic here, but the trend really doesn't help matters, nor does history of most realms. Asylon has had the longest among the current "new" realms to attract nobles. It has 10. All other realms can sort of be explained, and Barca is at 10 nobles in a short time, though I think they have one new character made after the initial colonization waves from Terran. It's an adventurer.
Do really prove me wrong though. I'd like to be pleasantly surprised to see Asylon secure Koshtlom, and Barca occupy the forest duchies. I'd like to see Aurvandil spread across the southwest peninsula, and D'Hara occupy the middle islands fully.
I see D'Hara remaining as is for a a while, now. Food issues aren't yet solved, and we lack the nobles to expand (hell, we could do with more for the regions we already have, due to the few pauses we've seen this last month). Qubel Lighthouse is quite a while away, now...
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The problem is player retention, Asylon has literally had enough people probably like 25 in the last few months join and leave with a few days and delete characters. It is ridiculous. And looking at the other realms it doesn't look like you guys attract anyone new either, we are all Dwilight incestuous.
Asylon will secure Koshtlom, its just going to take longer with fewer nobles. Its not hard to run a realm with few nobles, its just hard to keep the monsters back.
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For most other continents, yeah, it's not hard to maintain a realm with about the bare minimum of nobles. On Dwilight, it usually equates to a drawn out spiral into death. It might take a few months, maybe a few years, but what happens is that a player joins, sees that the realm isn't doing too well, or can't provide whatever it is the character is seeking, and leaves. The realm never makes any significant advancement, or if it does, it falls back down in short time.
Dwilight is indeed large, and a lot of its land is ready to be developed. But right now it looks like the desire for uniqueness is so great that realms would continue to try to be independent and risk being stuck at the sub 15 nobles mark for a long time, possibly until death. Just saying...If Aurvandil didn't secede and worked with Madina to actually populate that really good island location...Or if the Barcans actually contributed to D'Hara...
Obviously this wouldn't happen due to human differences. But alas, it is interesting, and provides some support to my one true "fear" of Dwilight. The victory of the wilderness over man.
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Barca does contribute to Terran and D'hara, or at least will in the near future. If Terran and D'hara help take Thysan and Rettlewood for them Terran will have effectively sealed off it's southern frontier and D'hara will see the number of monsters in Maeotis drop by half (in theory).
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Dwilight is indeed large, and a lot of its land is ready to be developed. But right now it looks like the desire for uniqueness is so great that realms would continue to try to be independent and risk being stuck at the sub 15 nobles mark for a long time, possibly until death. Just saying...If Aurvandil didn't secede and worked with Madina to actually populate that really good island location...Or if the Barcans actually contributed to D'Hara...
Barca does contribute to Terran and D'hara, or at least will in the near future. If Terran and D'hara help take Thysan and Rettlewood for them Terran will have effectively sealed off it's southern frontier and D'hara will see the number of monsters in Maeotis drop by half (in theory).
Indeed, do you think Terran has pumped so much money and so many troops into the success of Barca simply out of some kind of goodwill and friendship? Sure, we want to help out, but the primary is reason is that a realm in the Marwood would be amazing in terms of securing our southern border.
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Indeed, do you think Terran has pumped so much money and so many troops into the success of Barca simply out of some kind of goodwill and friendship? Sure, we want to help out, but the primary is reason is that a realm in the Marwood would be amazing in terms of securing our southern border.
And food, don't forget that. D'Hara wants more food exporters. It's basically all we think about.
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First of all, I would have never been able to make 10 nobles enthusiastic about joining D'Hara or Terran because I frankly did not know anything about them and couldn't offer my nobles anything. It's that Julius knew Hireshmont, and one thing lead to the other. We are staying optimistic, and I would be pleased to see that we can be self-sufficient with 3-4 regions and with some support of our allies in the future. With the migration-coding, its just taking a long time to populate the Rettleville, to provide us with gold and recruits. When we have gold and recruits, we can colonize and defend regions like Thysan, Rettlewood and Celtiberia which will provide us with food. But now it seems, we first need to populate those rural lands to supply us with gold and recruits before Rettleville will grow at a higher rate. But we believe in ourselves, Terran and D'Hara believe in us as well, and with their support I am optimistic about our success.
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My main fear on Dwilight is more OOC than anything: a deterioration of the SMA atmosphere. Aside from that, I don't really fear any of the options in the poll. I love the monsters, since they're a great source of action and force you to stay on your toes. SA is too far away to be a threat to me, and I have friendly relations with some top dogs in the organization. Same for the Zuma, there are simply too many realms and regions between the Zuma and PeL/LN for them to be a credible threat.
And as for the civil wars et cetera, my whole career is founded on such things, so I don't fear it much at all :P
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Amaury gets elected as my King.
Shoot...this just happened...
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Amaury gets elected as my King.
Shoot...this just happened...
You realise that your actions pretty much helped with that? :P So blame yourself ;)
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You realise that your actions pretty much helped with that? :P So blame yourself ;)
Not really. Give all the votes for me, to the 2nd place candidate and he still loses. But nothing to be done now.
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What I find funny is that Brom got less votes than the candidate who ran as a joke and didn't even announce her running :P
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What I find funny is that Brom got less votes than the candidate who ran as a joke and didn't even announce her running :P
Ouch. Who was that?
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To be fair, Brom had only been in the realm about a week at the time of the election.
Also, the joke candidate was Amaury's wife IG.
Apparently it is very hard to compete against a candidate when he's already won the hearts and minds of the nobles. Too bad Alanna didn't dissappear like a year ago. (for Brom). Then, Brom probably would have won hands down. Oh well.
Winning isn't nearly as interesting as losing...