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BattleMaster => Locals => East Island => Topic started by: Sonya on April 20, 2013, 12:12:43 AM
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A new war is breaking out
Perdan has declared war on Caligus.
Nice!
An alliance was forged
The realms of Eponllyn and Caligus have joined into an alliance.
Not Bad...
Diplomatic News
The realms of Eponllyn and ArmonÃa have joined into an alliance.
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Seems i have turned into the BM-War Journalist!
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Well... now Perdan and Westmoor are in deep poop. :-[
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They deserve it.
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Yes, they deserve. Now Sirion can march at will, and we will. Erik is old and now he wants a triumph as Prime Minister. Time to visit old "friends". It's a shame to not have sea invasions in East Continent yet. I would love to invade OI by sea.
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Well... now Perdan and Westmoor are in deep poop. :-[
Now is the best time to join either of them 8)
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Dont worry Perdan/or Westmoor has quite a few implants that are trying to hamper things in Caligus. Its quite mysterious when character in Caligus that has another one in Westmoor or Perdan is very unresponsive and actually attempts to suggest a suicide attack.
Also Perdan has massively overrecruited. Have multiple people with over 150 man units. Will be fun if they cant do anything with them whatsoever. Also Atanamir is attempting to RP sending his best healer propaganda after taking no action on the person who stabbed Dobromir.
I dont think RPing another person's character is even allowed but so be it. Its all part of Atanamirs politics which has got Perdan into this situation. Too bad Perdan are too blind to see the big picture and will suffer for it
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If Perdan isn't at least fighting 5 other realms it can't be called a war. Last time I was there it was Perdan and Caligus vs EC, things didn't change too much after all those years
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If Perdan isn't at least fighting 5 other realms it can't be called a war. Last time I was there it was Perdan and Caligus vs EC, things didn't change too much after all those years
Still don't like one sided War, i was expecting Perdan and Caligs to share a southern Queen each, but o well...
At least i hope that Sirion let Nivemus fight Westmor alone.
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Because that would be so totally fair.
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RIP EC Sirion won.
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Still don't like one sided War, i was expecting Perdan and Caligs to share a southern Queen each, but o well...
At least i hope that Sirion let Nivemus fight Westmor alone.
Thats really just OOC balance logic. IC Perdan dug their whole alliance into a basically hopeless situation. Every ruler not in OI and Westmoor is against Perdan currently.
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Dont worry Perdan/or Westmoor has quite a few implants that are trying to hamper things in Caligus. Its quite mysterious when character in Caligus that has another one in Westmoor or Perdan is very unresponsive and actually attempts to suggest a suicide attack.
If you suspect IC foul play, ban them. We had to ban at least two characters who did this in the last war, or shortly before it because we suspected them of feeding information to the enemy as well as the fact they refused to follow orders. One of them in fact ran one of the regions into the ground by setting the taxes so damned high that we had to divert forces in order to stabilise that region.
I dont think RPing another person's character is even allowed but so be it. Its all part of Atanamirs politics which has got Perdan into this situation. Too bad Perdan are too blind to see the big picture and will suffer for it as well as anyone who associates with them.
Fixed.
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Westmoor isn't innocent in this. They played their hand as puppetmaster, too. Jor was more circumspect about it, is all.
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Sirion had no business interfering with the original Perdan vs Nivemus.
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I dont think RPing another person's character is even allowed but so be it.
Active roles are not allowed, yes.
Sending Atanamir's healers does not influence at all your char's actions, well maybe he will heal faster. ;)
And explicitely not hunting your unit down neither.
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Sirion had no business interfering with the original Perdan vs Nivemus.
Oh right. Big, powerful realms should totally be allowed to pick one small, weak realm, make up a fake reason, and wipe them out, while the weaker realm's allies just stand back and let it all happen because: "hey, none of our business".
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Oh right. Big, powerful realms should totally be allowed to pick one small, weak realm
Which Sirion's done time after time.
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For the life of me, I can't think of a single small/weak realm that Sirion wiped out. (Although I've only been playing for 7 years, there may have been some before that.) Now, Sirion has wiped out a few realms, but they didn't qualify as small/weak when the war started.
But really, did *anyone* think that Perdan's attack on Nivemus was going to happen without drawing Sirion into the war? The entire thing was set up to provoke the exact situation that eventually happened. (Well, the entrance of Caligus wasn't expected I would bet. At least not this early.) And this is a war game. So kudos for starting a huge war that could have some major repercussions for some big realms.
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For the life of me, I can't think of a single small/weak realm that Sirion wiped out. (Although I've only been playing for 7 years, there may have been some before that.) Now, Sirion has wiped out a few realms, but they didn't qualify as small/weak when the war started.
Avamar and Eleador comes to mind. The latter was an ally of Sirion but yet they died by Sirionite hand.
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For the life of me, I can't think of a single small/weak realm that Sirion wiped out. (Although I've only been playing for 7 years, there may have been some before that.) Now, Sirion has wiped out a few realms, but they didn't qualify as small/weak when the war started.
But really, did *anyone* think that Perdan's attack on Nivemus was going to happen without drawing Sirion into the war? The entire thing was set up to provoke the exact situation that eventually happened. (Well, the entrance of Caligus wasn't expected I would bet. At least not this early.) And this is a war game. So kudos for starting a huge war that could have some major repercussions for some big realms.
Perdan/Westmoor/OI vs Nivemus/Sirion was a good thing for bm, what I didn't expect was that Nivemus would collapse without almost any resistance.
As far as other realm group up together to take down a bigger threat (like Caligus and the south are doing against Perdam) I don't see any unfairness
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Avamar died a couple months before I joined. Eleador even longer before. Avamar, however, was part of a larger war. It wasn't just Sirion v. Avamar.
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Avamar died a couple months before I joined. Eleador even longer before. Avamar, however, was part of a larger war. It wasn't just Sirion v. Avamar.
Sure, it was Oligarch, Perdan, Avamar, Rancagua vs Sirion, Fontan, Old Rancagua + Eleador on both sides at different times from what I remember but you cannot exclude everything that is a part of a larger war. There is almost never one versus one in bm.
Speaking of dead realms, since I have at times been paused, how did Old Rancagua die? Who killed Fontan? Who killed the realms on the islands that existed previous to OI (I think I missed one..like Kalmar Islands dying?).
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Sure, it was Oligarch, Perdan, Avamar, Rancagua vs Sirion, Fontan, Old Rancagua + Eleador on both sides at different times from what I remember but you cannot exclude everything that is a part of a larger war. There is almost never one versus one in bm.
Speaking of dead realms, since I have at times been paused, how did Old Rancagua die? Who killed Fontan? Who killed the realms on the islands that existed previous to OI (I think I missed one..like Kalmar Islands dying?).
Fontan crushed OR. Fontan was destroyed by Perdan+Caligus+Westmoor after being shrunk by Sirion.
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you cannot exclude everything that is a part of a larger war. There is almost never one versus one in bm.
Yeah he can, since that's the whole point.
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Yeah he can, since that's the whole point.
Indeed, it is the point. The war was not Sirion standing up and saying "Hey Avamar, we're gonna kill yer ass, just because we feel like it." There was a continent-wide war, and Avamar was a realm on one side of it. Too bad for them that they just happened to be a tiny little thing, two regions away from the Sirionite juggernaut's capital.
Also: Kalmar Islands was taken over by former Avamarians, and some others. When Perdan and OR tried to get rid of the rebels and hand the realm back tot he original government, the rebels split off Kalmar city into Avamar Selective. Perdan wiped out KI, and OR/Sirion wiped out AS. The new realm of Obsidian Islands was then formed to reintegrate the flotsam (err... "islands") that nobody really cared about.
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Indeed, it is the point.
Right, I forgot what the point was ;D But even so, Sirion does have the reputation going as the evil empire. Maybe it is the size. Maybe it is the elf-theme, maybe the reputation is just natural because she has many enemies. In either case, it does exist.
So even if Sirion hasn't actually killed a lot of small realms for no reason many have the perception that it has. Perception matters ;)
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Sirion does have a bad reputation with a lot of longer-term players, due to the puppet-master nature they had for many years. The first four or more years of the game, in fact. They aren't angels by any means. Neither are they eaters-of-babiers either.
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Still don't like one sided War, i was expecting Perdan and Caligs to share a southern Queen each, but o well...
This is more what I was expecting to happen too but ah well. Also I like your first post :D
They aren't angels by any means.
Are there any realms that are?
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Sirion has a bad reputation
Caligus has a bad reputation (well its more me but Caligus is blamed)
Perdan has a bad reputation
Basically its all people overreacting and making things up. All realms have their own virtues and standards. Either you like them or dont like them. Most realms politics simply change with their ruler. This goes to every nation whether is a democracy or a monarchy. All it really takes is a change of rulers to influence change of politics for a realm and this is why Caligus 'changed' sides multiple times. Its basically a new ruler coming in mainly trying to do alot of questionable stuff and Dobromir takes on the form of a straightarrow where he is very unforgiving in being messed with or lied to. Likely comes down as Caligus being treasonous traitors to most of you but in the end Caligus does like and supports Dobromir alot. I know some people utterly hate the way I decide to rule that nation but (ex-enemies of Caligus the whole Tuchanon V group) love the way I rule and have told me that I make the game alot more enjoyable for them.
So give or take theres no way to make everyone happy in my opinion. Every realm gets a stigma and a bad reputation the moment it starts to influence politics. Its just the way things are.
From my part I see it as General its your job to better the enemy general on the field. As ruler its your job to secure the right alliances and stances and ensure your generals job is easier.
Anyways part of this is I randomly went on irc with a few people trash talking me OOC not even IC which I find quite sad and uncalled for. So apologies for the rant
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Sirion had no business interfering with the original Perdan vs Nivemus.
Nivemus and Sirion are allies. Perdan declared destruction-war against Nivemus. Nivemus called up the alliance, which makes perfect sense.
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This argument has been had before...
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Also: Kalmar Islands was taken over by former Avamarians, and some others. When Perdan and OR tried to get rid of the rebels and hand the realm back tot he original government, the rebels split off Kalmar city into Avamar Selective. Perdan wiped out KI, and OR/Sirion wiped out AS. The new realm of Obsidian Islands was then formed to reintegrate the flotsam (err... "islands") that nobody really cared about.
Fore the sake of truth...it wasn t the rebels that turned it into Avamar Selective, it was a single idiot that wanted to destroy KI and of course AS as well.
Long live the Church of Gymnistism that has a full record of these malevolent acts! :p
Needless to say that once the damage was done, no one was actually willing to give AS a chance.
I m sure no one care for what i m saying right now, but i had to state the facts :)
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The best time to be PM of Sirion. Atanamir and Dobromir are going crazy... but I won just two vulgarities until now. So sad.
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Realms friendships hard to last forever, with leadership changes over years. Otherwise we dont have Battlemaster 8)
I keep wonder whether there is a curse on Brock no matter he is General or Marshal. He keeps getting wounded in all big battles he participated in so far. As normal knight, he does pretty well to stay wound-free. Maybe General title flag is too big to be missed by the enemy in battles ;D
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He keeps getting wounded in all big battles he participated in so far.
Don't worry, i will bring some ointment for you on the next battle. ;) From Obando's "Courtesan Training Camp" State.
Ohh! and i will take over if you get wounded, maybe we win a battle of two for a change :P
Also will used your wounded body to cover mine, you are used to Healers tent so couple more days won't matter. ;D
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Or Nivemus could surrender and no noble will be hurt.
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Haha, surrender? Yes now that the war is in our favor we should just throw in the towel.
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Surrender is changing sides, as it seems.
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Don't worry, i will bring some ointment for you on the next battle. ;) From Obando's "Courtesan Training Camp" State.
Ohh! and i will take over if you get wounded, maybe we win a battle of two for a change :P
Also will used your wounded body to cover mine, you are used to Healers tent so couple more days won't matter. ;D
Look like I should start plan Brock retirement as General, he getting old and slow. You can have the seat, first class ticket I mind you :D
Or Nivemus could surrender and no noble will be hurt.
Terms of Westmoor surrender? 1 year supply of cigarettes or food?
I doubt Atanamir secede surrender offer still standing though.
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So now every realm on the continent is at war. 8)
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So now every realm on the continent is at war. 8)
You forgot about OI, but apparently everyone else does too.
So lets see, we have Eponlyn/Armonia/Caligus vs Perdan/Westmoor vs Nivemus/Sirion. It begins...
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So now every realm on the continent is at war. 8)
And Sirion shall rule EC like Cagilan Empire rules Atamara. Caligus is too weak to take Sirion after this. Perdan, OI, and Westmoor will die or shrink and Eppy will probably gain a few rural regions from Perdan. Good job ladies you just killed EC.
Also, Dishman.... It is basically Caligus/Armonia/Eponllyn/Sirion/Nivemus vs Westmoor/OI/Perdan
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It is basically Caligus/Armonia/Eponllyn/Sirion/Nivemus vs Westmoor/OI/Perdan
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
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Good job ladies you just killed EC.
Every realm who gets the short end of the stick due to incompetence and/or piss poor diplomacy says the same thing. You can 100% blame this series of events squarely on the ham-fisted attempts at manipulation on the part of your rulers. Rather than leave well-enough alone, and achieve a near-certain victory, they decided they just had to have *everyone* on their side, and anyone who wasn't on their side had to be destroyed. Except they messed up, and it blew up in their faces.
Besides, what does Armonia or Eponllyn care if Sirion "rules" the island? They are far away, unlike the oppressive puppet-master neighbors the south would grovel under if Perdan/Westmoor wins.
Caligus/Armonia/Eponllyn/Sirion/Nivemus vs Westmoor/OI/Perdan
This just shows how little you know of what's really happening.
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I'm not in the ruler channel Indirik. Don't ask me for info.
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Neither am I. But you could ask your ruler for the copies of the massive flood of letters that touched off the entrance of Caligus/Eponllyn/Armonia into the war.
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You forgot about OI, but apparently everyone else does too.
So lets see, we have Eponlyn/Armonia/Caligus vs Perdan/Westmoor vs Nivemus/Sirion. It begins...
Obsidian Islands has been involved in the conflict. They've joined Perdan/Westmoor numerous times in attacking Nivemus and Sirion.
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I'm not in the ruler channel Indirik. Don't ask me for info.
And I have so many letters I want to share OOC. I just don't think it's fair anyway.
Every realm who gets the short end of the stick due to incompetence and/or piss poor diplomacy says the same thing. You can 100% blame this series of events squarely on the ham-fisted attempts at manipulation on the part of your rulers. Rather than leave well-enough alone, and achieve a near-certain victory, they decided they just had to have *everyone* on their side, and anyone who wasn't on their side had to be destroyed. Except they messed up, and it blew up in their faces.
Very true. Sirion was the first to suffer with Nivemus. But then "someone" was caught in something much bigger. So, now Sirion have many opportunities, especially when Erik seeks revenge by every little offense against his realm. In our advantage, we don't want to destroy all our enemies... just punish them.
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What's the fun in destroying them? When you can watch them destroy themselves/each other?
Manipulation, Who plays such fun games?
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Im not sure why people think Caligus and Sirion are enemies. Neither can or look to expand into each other and have been allies for a good 4-5 years now so I dont get why you are saying let enemies destroy each other.
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It seems people have forgotten the fact that Caligus saved Sirion from the 5v1 war. Sirion won't fight Caligus unless Caligus declares war on Sirion and I highly doubt that will happen under Dobromir.
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I hear Dobromir eats baby elves' pink bottoms for appetizer.
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Its rather difficult since hes been wounded 9 out of the last 11 days :P
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Dobromir is a fierce warrior I heard he killed 69 elves alone.
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Im not sure why people think Caligus and Sirion are enemies. Neither can or look to expand into each other and have been allies for a good 4-5 years now so I dont get why you are saying let enemies destroy each other.
Who said I was referring to Caligus and Sirion?
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The realm of Nivemus has elected Hergoervik Draekarne as its new Kronogos.
Nivemus has elected a noble who hates Sirion as its new ruler!?! That's the most bizarre and unexpected turn of events I've seen in recent times. I can't wait to see what happens when Sirion's government finds out Hergoervik campaigned for ages for a war against Sirion.
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The realm of Nivemus has elected Hergoervik Draekarne as its new Kronogos.
Nivemus has elected a noble who hates Sirion as its new ruler!?! That's the most bizarre and unexpected turn of events I've seen in recent times. I can't wait to see what happens when Sirion's government finds out Hergoervik campaigned for ages for a war against Sirion.
I would reckon given the fact that his realm is currently at war with another he has sworn revenge against for his banning (because, you know, driving a region into the ground with massively high taxes isn't a reason to ban someone... same goes for spying for enemy forces, too), he'll have an alliance of mutual convenience with Sirion - at least for now. I think Hergo and Erik Eyolf will get on quite well..
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The realm of Nivemus has elected Hergoervik Draekarne as its new Kronogos.
Nivemus has elected a noble who hates Sirion as its new ruler!?! That's the most bizarre and unexpected turn of events I've seen in recent times. I can't wait to see what happens when Sirion's government finds out Hergoervik campaigned for ages for a war against Sirion.
You're not the only one surprised.
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I like how even the people in Nivemus are surprised... You are the ones who voted for him. ! >:(
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If I knew that was gonna happen I would have stayed... There is quite the saxon conglomerate it seems though.
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I like how even the people in Nivemus are surprised... You are the ones who voted for him. ! >:(
He announced his candidacy a little over a day before the election ended and won with about 10 more votes than myself. So it was contested.
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If I knew that was gonna happen I would have stayed... There is quite the saxon conglomerate it seems though.
I really hope he isn't a saxon...
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I think Hergo and Erik Eyolf will get on quite well..
Strange, because as I can see and as owner of Erik Eyolf, I can say Erik wants to chop off Hergo's head and use his dead skull to piss in a morning of hangover. Tell the people that elves are cowards and use the Duke of Avamar as example is very stupid if you intend to rule Nivemus. I might be mistaken, but it was the Silver Legion that was trying to save Nivemus of its own ruin. Erik doesn't like ungrateful people. He can pardon an offense against himself, but call Sirion coward!? Even being idiotic, idiocy is liable to punishment.
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I really hope he isn't a saxon...
He was with that clique, Zaki, when he fled Westmoor to Fontan. I warned Uzamaki about him when he fled to Nivemus.
And yes, Eduardo's heard right. Hergo's always passed himself off as a vicious anti-Sirionite. No doubt he'll try to deny it now or claim he was misunderstood. Assuming he bothers to respond at all.
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If only a Himoura is here. To stab stab stab :P
I like how even the people in Nivemus are surprised... You are the ones who voted for him. ! >:(
Brock not vote for him. Still let see how his performance.
I would reckon given the fact that his realm is currently at war with another he has sworn revenge against for his banning (because, you know, driving a region into the ground with massively high taxes isn't a reason to ban someone... same goes for spying for enemy forces, too), he'll have an alliance of mutual convenience with Sirion - at least for now. I think Hergo and Erik Eyolf will get on quite well..
I remember this incident very well. Westmoor does mention it, in fact Brock was thinking he was a Fontan spy planted deep into Westmoor to did all these at that time ???
About the last part of Hergo and Erik getting on well. Who know what future hold ahead. It may or may not work out well.
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You guys do realise this is a thread for the Perdan / Caligus Eponllyn and Armonia war right? If you want to talk about Sirion/Nivemus/Westmoor go to the right thread.
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If you want to talk about Sirion/Nivemus/Westmoor go to the right thread.
There isn't one. Just the Nivemus vs Perdan thread. Both wars are interlinked anyway. Might as well just start a new thread to cover both fronts in one place.
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As King of Perdan I hereby allow people to post in all Perdan threads about both wars since Perdan is officially still in both wars.
Perdan wars for everyone! ;D
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Ever since I play Battlemaster Perdan has always been one of those realms that just has a great military track record. Their movement rate and the amount of troops they manage to field in general has always been stunning. I still blame them as the reason why Ibladesh vanished; frankly put they were just too good. It's a realm easily underestimated, which will ultimate be a sour mistake for its enemies. I'm not even sure if Caligus + Eponllyn + Armonia can win against Perdan at the moment...
In short: kudos Perdan.
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Ever since I play Battlemaster Perdan has always been one of those realms that just has a great military track record. Their movement rate and the amount of troops they manage to field in general has always been stunning. I still blame them as the reason why Ibladesh vanished; frankly put they were just too good. It's a realm easily underestimated, which will ultimate be a sour mistake for its enemies. I'm not even sure if Caligus + Eponllyn + Armonia can win against Perdan at the moment...
In short: kudos Perdan.
Thanks Fleugs, I will forward this to Perdan, as this deserves to be seen by everyone there. :)
We all put a lot off effort, RP and love into it in order to prevail against three realms.
I guess community approves that a lot since we have gotten a large influx of palyers (we have now more chars than Sirion).
However, from some rumours going around, I think EC will become nothing better than CE/Atamara.
Some RPs and IC char behaviours change like nothing, just because players can't take it to be not able to win.
And then IC or long RPed hostilities suddenly get thrown away.
And then I see RP medals at such people's accounts.
Well, that's my personal frustration, but I guess nothing you can do against it.
Thank you again!
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However, from some rumours going around, I think EC will become nothing better than CE/Atamara.
Some RPs and IC char behaviours change like nothing, just because players can't take it to be not able to win.
And then IC or long RPed hostilities suddenly get thrown away.
Well, that's my personal frustration, but I guess nothing you can do against it.
Thank you again!
I know what you're implying. And I can guarantee that it's simply not true. You are ignoring the reality of the situation that evolved in the south following Perdan/Westmoor's failed (and clumsily obvious) attempt to destroy Eponllyn, and to turn Armmonia and Eponllyn against each. The situation that evolved in the south is *nothing* like you imagine it to be. *Nothing.* You have single-handedly destroyed Perdan's reputation in the south, and turned three realms against you. (To be honest, given how Perdan destroyed Ibladesh, and a large number of the nobles in the south are former Ibladeshians, it didn't take much to turn them against Perdan.)
There is no OOC conspiracy or collusion. There is no sudden reversal of all prior RP, and blind trust of former enemies. What there is is a lot of people pissed off at Perdan, and your character in particular. I'm sorry if that doesn't jibe with your interpretation of the situation, but that's the way it is.
And then I see RP medals at such people's accounts.
Again, you are letting your paranoia run wild. There has, in the past week or two, been a restocking of medals to be handed out, and Tim even recently implemented a system to auto-stock medals to be given out. The system had been deadlocked and drained for, what, years? If people are newly acquiring medals it is because people only recently started getting the chance to give them out again.
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Actually, I don't believe he's talking about Armonia or Pony Land.
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That's possible. I would hope so. But I don't think so.
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Actually, both Perdan and Westmoor stated that Epeen should NOT be destroyed. That was Autrey's desire far more than ours.
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Private letters, at least from Atanamir, prove that incorrect. Atanamir was open to any number of ways to have Eponllyn destroyed, including the secession of Al Arab, and direct war between Eponlly and Armmonia. There may not have been a clear "Let's team up and destrpoy Eponllyn", but the clear intent was there, for no other reason than Eponllyn didn't want to ally with Perdan and join the anti-Nivemus crusade. This was supported by Lance's pro-Westmoor/anti-Sirion haranguing of Eponllyn's council, where he said that if we didn't do it, then we'd be attacked ourselves. And lo and behold, soon after that, the plots against Eponllyn were revealed.
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Private letters, at least from Atanamir, prove that incorrect. Atanamir was open to any number of ways to have Eponllyn destroyed, including the secession of Al Arab, and direct war between Eponlly and Armmonia. There may not have been a clear "Let's team up and destrpoy Eponllyn", but the clear intent was there, for no other reason than Eponllyn didn't want to ally with Perdan and join the anti-Nivemus crusade. This was supported by Lance's pro-Westmoor/anti-Sirion haranguing of Eponllyn's council, where he said that if we didn't do it, then we'd be attacked ourselves. And lo and behold, soon after that, the plots against Eponllyn were revealed.
I still find it odd. If Eponllyn knew that not joining the Nivemus loot-fest would bring the ire of Perdan, then it seems like a horrible decision to turn down the loot-fest without prior knowledge that Armonia/Caligus would support them. Take away any part of the 3-way alliance against Perdan, and the other two are going to look like Nivemus before the armies were called back.
Not to mention Armonia's decision to give up gains in Eponllyn land to attack Perdan. I'm glad it went as it did, cause it's made for a most interesting war....but Armonia seemed to be given Eponllyn on a silver platter for joining one battle up north. If nothing else, at least Eponllyn had good reason for aggression. I think Armonia and Caligus will forever be seen as betrayers by the nobles of Perdan. It certainly has united the realm even more than the northern fun.
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O it's got interesting again no long treks to war just have to go a region beyond our borders and thrash one of the betrayers.
Geez and I was sitting here hopping all the realms would gang up and fight Sirion again. (Wishful thinking I know)
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@Dishman,
The thing you have to realize is that Armmonia *was* ready to snuff Eponllyn. The plans were all set, and they were ready to pounce.
And then Atanamir backed out and snubbed Armmonia, telling them that Perdan was out of the plan, and Armmonia was left holding the bag. Autrey was furious with Perdan for that. And since she's a bit loopy anyway, she raged on Atanamir, and spilled the whole plot to both Eponllyn and Caligus. That cemented the entire set of three realms against Perdan.
There's no great love or friendship between Armmonia and Eponllyn, but they both despise Perdan.
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Hmm, southern realms seems more interesting and exciting from what I read here. I should have Brock come down south after Fontan downfall. But then Caligus was enemy with Fontan and Brock was captured by Caligus while he travelled across to the south ::)
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That's possible. I would hope so. But I don't think so.
It's not about you. So save your ink. I am not the paranoid here it seems so please keep your insults for yourself. ;)
I explicitly state no names because I am not interested in trading insults on the forum.
I am merely stating personal thoughts on possible future scenarios and I know many players across friendly and hostile realms who think same.
And about the medals it doesn't matter what technical reason is behind current situation.
They were once given to certain players and that counts for me.
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Private letters, at least from Atanamir, prove that incorrect. Atanamir was open to any number of ways to have Eponllyn destroyed, including the secession of Al Arab, and direct war between Eponlly and Armmonia. There may not have been a clear "Let's team up and destrpoy Eponllyn", but the clear intent was there, for no other reason than Eponllyn didn't want to ally with Perdan and join the anti-Nivemus crusade. This was supported by Lance's pro-Westmoor/anti-Sirion haranguing of Eponllyn's council, where he said that if we didn't do it, then we'd be attacked ourselves. And lo and behold, soon after that, the plots against Eponllyn were revealed.
Please refrain in OOC from saying anything that Atanamir has done or does is proven.
You have not full access to IC information, I am also not implying things in OOC about Garin.
A bit more respect please. If you need to slander please do it with other chars, not mine, thank you.
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And then Atanamir backed out and snubbed Armmonia, telling them that Perdan was out of the plan, and Armmonia was left holding the bag.
And because it is so wrong, I will answer at least to this IC part and solve it hopefully once for good:
It is not true, the plan, as you call it, was only Autrey's plan.
Of course, when Perdan didn't support it in the end, she had a reason to be angry.
But Atanamir's plan was not Autrey's plan.
I gladly though explain this once and for all:
Atanamir's plan:
Now, Lance's talks with Atanamir (et alieni) had nothing to with Armonia's attack plan on Eponllyn.
It was to create a friendly realm at the border to Perdan, on which Perdan could rely more than Eponllyn.
Eponllyn should have been limited to Semall area, since it was diplomatically unstable for Perdan, but not get destroyed.
Armonia would have been prevented to attack rest-Eponllyn as its troops would have been in the north.
Therefore there would been now two smaller realms besides Armonia and Armonia would have been safe.
Divide et impera, like with Ibladesh. Create two smaller realms, which can't attack the big one.
Autrey's plan:
Autrey's plan of becoming safe was the offensive one, the open attack. As simple as it is, and undestandable.
Perdan never agreed to this due to following facts:
a) Recreation of single realm again like Ibladesh.
b) Atanamir is against destroying realms in his mentality.
c) Perdan still felt closer to Eponllyn although it was allied with Armonia, since Armonia's alliance was designed to work only in the north.
Armonia's motives in the south were disliked by Perdan, therefore we did everything to delay this attack and find other solutions for the south. This eventually led to the plan with Lance (see above).
Concluding, as you see, they were geopolitically close situated but different motives.
Lance just mixed them when he joined Armonia instead of becoming an independent realm, that is the problem.
But at this point, Atanamir backed out from the secession plan, not from Autrey's plan, and messaged Caligus.
Because he never had agreed on Autrey's plan, at least not before the situation in north would be cleared, and that was far from being cleared. This way Eponllyn would have had enough time to rebuild and have a fair war in the south with the much stronger Armonia.
Because Atanamir (and Perdan in general) does not want realms to get destroyed.
Concluding, secession and the attack of Armonia, these are seperated issues, which Caligus and friends gladly though put in one shoe to get both southern realms as allies and unite them.
Good diplomatic move, but certainly far from the truth.
Dishman is right, Caligus and Armonia are viewed as backstabbers in Perdan therefore, but even more Caligus, since Caligus had nothing to do with all this. Caligus literally jumped the gun in the second when Autrey sent the partial letters of Atanamir to Siana. Literally in this second.
Armonia at least had a real reason to be angry.
Oh and a small add-on: Perdan's offer to Eponllyn for alliance was the initial plan to keep Armonia in the north and have Eponllyn be safe from Armonia due to the diplomatic barrier by Perdan being allied with both. Perdan clearly stated that this alliance had not as intention to have Eponllyn go north. We wouldn't have needed you anyway, as you saw. Siana denied this alliance though, and together with information by Lance that Siana was flirting with Sirion, that led to the Lance plan. You see, even though we knew Eponllyn was not absolutely to be trusted, we didn't want to have them killed by Armonia. Because we (not only Atanamir) don't believe that realms should get destroyed (except if they don't stop the war by themselves, e.g. Ibladesh).
Therefore, everyone, please work in here only with the information you get first hand IC from characters you speak of. And if you simply don't have access to all info, well then don't speak, lol. Otherwise you just spread the IC propaganda, and for my knowledge, this is an OOC area and we should be such honest players to be able to stick to the truth. Otherwise we should better leave this forum because this will only influence and possibly radicalize (as unfortunately often can be seen) players in the wrong way.
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It's not about you. So save your ink. I am not the paranoid here it seems so please keep your insults for yourself. ;)
I never thought it was about me, personally. And I'm not here to trade insults. I'm just providing the southerner's viewpoint about what's going on. We have a few posts here about Perdan's perspective of things, now you have mine, too.
I explicitly state no names because I am not interested in trading insults on the forum.
True, you are not naming names. Yet we all know who you're talking about. And you keep talking about it, and making insinuations of OOC plots, and poor RP, and crappy playing, etc., etc.
If you don't want to talk about, then don't. And that includes snarky comments, and snippets about how you don't want to talk about other people's poor play. Just stop altogether.
I give my side of how things seem to be from our viewpoint in Eponllyn, and about things we have been told from Caligus and Armmonia. It doesn't matter whether they reflect your opinion of how things really went down in Perdan or not. This is the way that Eponllyn, and to some extent Caligus and Armmonia, see things. Do we see things different than Perdan sees things? Of course we do. And that's how wars start! Two people see thigns differently. If we all could see things the same way, there wouldn't be any wars. We'd all be perpetually happy, carefree, and bored.
Perdan may view Armmonia as backstabbers, but Armmonia feels the same way about Perdan. And Eponllyn is not happy because of the way that Perdan plotted against Eponllyn. Which it is quite obvious, and true. So Armmonia thinks Perdan tried to double cross them. And Eponllyn isn't happy because of the way Perdan plotted against us. So there you have two realms that are angry at Perdan. And both are angry enough to overcome their mutual dislike and distrust, in order to unite against a common enemy.
Along comes Caligus, who is probably bored and wants in on the war, and produces a legitimate casus belli to go to war with Perdan. It's no more or less legitimate that Perdan's completely fictional and fabricated reason to attack Nivemus. So why does Caligus' decision to enter the war suddenly turn into OOC accusations and poor RP?
Therefore, everyone, please work in here only with the information you get first hand IC from characters you speak of.
Which is exactly what my characters are doing IC. They work with the info they have.
And if you simply don't have access to all info, well then don't speak, lol.
The same goes for you, too. I can guarantee that you don't have all the information. So please stop making veiled accusations and snarky comments about OOG/OOC collusion and poor RP. You don't have enough information to make that determination. So just stop.
Otherwise you just spread the IC propaganda, and for my knowledge, this is an OOC area and we should be such honest players to be able to stick to the truth.
I'm *trying* to tell you the truth, the way the opposite side sees it. Please put aside your preconceived notions and at least try to look at things from south of the border. Just because we don't agree on the way things happened doesn't mean we're lying, or trying to spread IC propaganda on the forums.
We don't have to agree on the way things happened. But if you're going to come to the forums and insinuate that the people that are fighting against your realm are not playing fair, and are OOC-colluding against you, then you can expect for those people to object. Don't want to discuss it on the forums? Then stop bringing it up. You do not have the right to come here and make accusations, even thinly veiled pseudo-anonymous ones, and then tell other people they are not allowed to respond.
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Its just 3 realms against 1... its not like half of the continent is attacking Perdan... :o
Perhaps since nobody can bring the "we dont like pointy ears" excuse this time, it might sound like an OOC plot?
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Please, one of the final things Theuderik predicted before leaving Ibladesh was that Caligus would turn on Perdan. This was so written in the stars you can really not go and act surprised. Besides it is a smart move. Perdan, as I already said, is a realm so strong that you have to gangbang them into oblivion to make sure a weaker neighbour takes its place.
In addition, people seem to forget that many nobles from Eponllyn & Armonia still know eachother from the times in Ibladesh itself. Those ties have not entirely been cut yet, and I have the feeling this war will only strengthen them.
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For reference. Caligus wanted Atanamir to step down for all the reasons Indirik already brought up. War happened because Atanamir's character was dishonest, stubborn in the eyes of Caligus and cared more about his position than anything else going on a massive insulting spree of Caligus and Dobromir when he was accused of the above deeds. Honestly its not wonder this resulted in war. The escalation was purely on Atanamirs character.
Caligus was never intending to go to war had Atanamir simply stepped down. Both Autrey and Siana knew that beforehand.
There was no OOC plot. Heck Autrey hated Dobromir but learned to respect him over time. Anyways you cant start accusing OOC then get upset when people say what happened IC. You even admit yourself to involvement I dont get why how you dont see your meddling as insulting to Caligus.
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Indirik, as always, you want to have last word. Please have it, that is so beyond my level. Be happy and think that you are right, amazing how someone get so offended when not even being talked about.
I will not even bother to respond to your flames, in which you have engulfed yourself.
I was not the one going to the forum, telling bs about other chars. So, go live in your world south of Perdan's border, but refrain to talk about the motivations of Atanamir which you can only know from second-hand - that I forbid unless you have aletter from Atanamir personally received.
Still, my initial comment goes to none of you - feel now a bit ashamed for going mad for nothing? Don't need to, just save your ink next time, not everything is about you (and I mean you as you, your realm and your realm's allies in order to clarify it this time).
Consider me the Tom Bombadil of EC if you like it.
I talk of things that may you do not simply understand - or know.
Oh and the truth...my favourite story: In BM everything what counts is that what is wriiten. Black on white. And that is the truth. Therefore, there is no way how one side sees things or not. It's all there, written, that's the truth, nothing else. Seeing some letters from Atanamir is not the truth...
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Oh and the truth...my favourite story: In BM everything what counts is that what is wriiten. Black on white. And that is the truth. Therefore, there is no way how one side sees things or not. It's all there, written, that's the truth, nothing else. Seeing some letters from Atanamir is not the truth...
Young padawan, you have much to learn. There is no truth in life, only opinions. Once you understand that Battlemaster will be easier to grasp.
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Young padawan, you have much to learn. There is no truth in life, only opinions. Once you understand that Battlemaster will be easier to grasp.
+1 but you forget I am the evil here, I rather be then Ugly Junior Sith Guy. ;)
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Wait whats wrong with being evil..
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Wait whats wrong with being evil..
Nothing. As long as you don't show it to the world.
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What I dont get is that everyone talks about Perdans king did this and that to get other realms to be mad at Perdan which may or may not be true I am not going argue that point but the fact that nobles where mad at the King of Perdan does not make up for why Eponllyn would join an alliance with Armonia who was the realm in the first place was trying to destroy them? To me it defies logic. I would believe if a realm was being plotted against you why in the world would you join into an alliance with them?
I mean it is whatever it a games not really worrying about it buy it kind annoys me to hear people trying to make reasons for things when the simple truth of the matter is that players will almost always will pick the team they believe will be the winners.
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What I dont get is that everyone talks about Perdans king did this and that to get other realms to be mad at Perdan which may or may not be true I am not going argue that point but the fact that nobles where mad at the King of Perdan does not make up for why Eponllyn would join an alliance with Armonia who was the realm in the first place was trying to destroy them? To me it defies logic. I would believe if a realm was being plotted against you why in the world would you join into an alliance with them?
I mean it is whatever it a games not really worrying about it buy it kind annoys me to hear people trying to make reasons for things when the simple truth of the matter is that players will almost always will pick the team they believe will be the winners.
I think both southern realms believe Perdan is the evil behind the scene.
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I mean it is whatever it a games not really worrying about it buy it kind annoys me to hear people trying to make reasons for things when the simple truth of the matter is that players will almost always will pick the team they believe will be the winners.
So true.
...and Perdan chose wrong. +9001 points to Caligus/Armonia/Eponllyn! Perdan tried to make a winning team by pitting the south against each other while OI and Westmoor distracted Sirion and Nivemus. It just blew up in Perdan's face in an epic manner.
It kind of annoys me to hear people whining about how others play the game when they themselves would have played it the exact same way.
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So true.
...and Perdan chose wrong. +9001 points to Caligus/Armonia/Eponllyn! Perdan tried to make a winning team by pitting the south against each other while OI and Westmoor distracted Sirion and Nivemus. It just blew up in Perdan's face in an epic manner.
It kind of annoys me to hear people whining about how others play the game when they themselves would have played it the exact same way.
And the curiousities continue! :D This is getting indeed amusing here!
And then people call me paranoid...lol
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So the rulers of Eponllyn and Caligus are apparently in an RL relationship? Is that true? So...those realms have an alliance that won't ever be broken?
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So the rulers of Eponllyn and Caligus are apparently in an RL relationship? Is that true? So...those realms have an alliance that won't ever be broken?
Where did you pick that up?
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Which part? Because I have hard the former as well.
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Dobby and Detty sitting in a tree!
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This would be nice to see :)
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That's not how the rhyme's supposed to go... :(
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So the rulers of Eponllyn and Caligus are apparently in an RL relationship? Is that true? So...those realms have an alliance that won't ever be broken?
Could it technically be considered a Federation considering it is... you all know... something else :)
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Loot loot loot rip down fortifications.
its been a bit too easy.
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What I dont get is that everyone talks about Perdans king did this and that to get other realms to be mad at Perdan which may or may not be true I am not going argue that point but the fact that nobles where mad at the King of Perdan does not make up for why Eponllyn would join an alliance with Armonia who was the realm in the first place was trying to destroy them? To me it defies logic. I would believe if a realm was being plotted against you why in the world would you join into an alliance with them?
I mean it is whatever it a games not really worrying about it buy it kind annoys me to hear people trying to make reasons for things when the simple truth of the matter is that players will almost always will pick the team they believe will be the winners.
The only thing I think this situation may happen is because of "enemy of my enemy is my friend". That said, if common enemy disappear, the friends may turn on each other. But that is my humble opinion only 8)
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Loot loot loot rip down fortifications.
its been a bit too easy.
Easy? What is EASY? We fight three realms...nothing is easy, trust me.
Easy...that was a good one... ;D
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So the rulers of Eponllyn and Caligus are apparently in an RL relationship? Is that true? So...those realms have an alliance that won't ever be broken?
Could it technically be considered a Federation considering it is... you all know... something else :)
I'd like to hear actually what the two have to say on this.
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Seriously?
Do we need to start a public database of which players are sleeping with which other players or something?
Their personal, private lives are exactly that. Personal and private. If they choose not to share that information with you or me, then that's their choice, and you should respect that choice.
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Seriously?
Do we need to start a public database of which players are sleeping with which other players or something?
Their personal, private lives are exactly that. Personal and private. If they choose not to share that information with you or me, then that's their choice, and you should respect that choice.
I agree, I neither think that the private OOC situation is of interest here.
No need to get always aggressive on me when there is no reason to, Indirik, you should stop that constant harassing of my forum posts, please.
I personally don't care about the relationship, I wish them all the best! :)
But if it's true, it obviously raises questions about IC behaviour for some people here and I think that might be very well a topic, since "we play this game together with good friends and on the same board", no?
That's why I (and obviously also other players) would like to hear what the two think about this.
You talk only about the relationship but players here are interested if it affects IG situations, that is understandable.
Nothing else is here of interest, at least for my part.
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My federation comment was a joke guys :) of course they aren't really federated IG. I was just saying they are federated in real life :D
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My federation comment was a joke guys :) of course they aren't really federated IG. I was just saying they are federated in real life :D
lol, well yeah, honestly, I don't care about it anyway.
If they want to talk about it, so be it, if not, so be it as well.
It just leaves a bad taste to it in the positions they occupy IC, but that might be only my personal opinion.
Then I might have to "change" their positions IC. ;)
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lol, well yeah, honestly, I don't care about it anyway.
Then why did you file a report against them for the grievous sin of (purportedly) having an RL relationship and not telling you about it?
People's real lives are their business. Not yours. Not ours. If they have a relationship in RL, that has absolutely no bearing on whether or not their characters have a relationship, or whether or not their realms have a relationship.
So Atanamir, T Strike, and everyone else, please just respect their privacy and bloody well act like you never even heard a rumour that the two players knew each other in real life.
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I'd like to hear actually what the two have to say on this.
I agree, I neither think that the private OOC situation is of interest here.
I personally don't care about the relationship, I wish them all the best! :)
But if it's true, it obviously raises questions about IC behaviour for some people here and I think that might be very well a topic, since "we play this game together with good friends and on the same board", no?
That's why I (and obviously also other players) would like to hear what the two think about this.
You talk only about the relationship but players here are interested if it affects IG situations, that is understandable.
Nothing else is here of interest, at least for my part.
lol, well yeah, honestly, I don't care about it anyway.
If they want to talk about it, so be it, if not, so be it as well.
It just leaves a bad taste to it in the positions they occupy IC, but that might be only my personal opinion.
Then I might have to "change" their positions IC. ;)
I was going to call you out with several inappropriate swear words here, Atanamir, because the level of hypocrisy you show even within the same forum post is amazing. However, I think it is very, very easy: you are too connected with Perdan and that realm feels threatened and as a result you, as a player, feel threatened too, which causes you to try to dig up "dirt" on players that makes absolutely no sense. Do everyone a favour and read the quotes of yourself again and be quick to diagnose yourself with either schizophrenia or a serious case of hypocrisy - the latter being the factual matter. You say you are not interested in their personal situation, which is the correct idea - but then, even in the same forum post, you question their relationship to have ulterior IC motives that would affect the way they play their characters. Firstly, I think the rumours you spread about them being a couple are irrelevant. Secondly, I think they are just rumours without a grain of truth. Thirdly, it is ridiculous to assume that players cannot separate OOC from IC. I shall give as an example the fact that me and Lorgan are really, really good friends IRL for about a decade now - though when I look at how we play Battlemaster, you would often not notice it.
I strongly urge you to drop this entire matter and get over yourself. From what I can read in this thread alone you are just trying to invade someone's privacy when it is not at all your place to do so. Your passive aggressive approach of "I don't care, but I would like to see them say something about it because it may change their IC positions" resembles the tactic of a teenager who just got introduced to basic argumentation. You can do better than that - hell, you are better than that.
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I was going to call you out with several inappropriate swear words here, Atanamir, because the level of hypocrisy you show even within the same forum post is amazing. However, I think it is very, very easy: you are too connected with Perdan and that realm feels threatened and as a result you, as a player, feel threatened too, which causes you to try to dig up "dirt" on players that makes absolutely no sense. Do everyone a favour and read the quotes of yourself again and be quick to diagnose yourself with either schizophrenia or a serious case of hypocrisy - the latter being the factual matter. You say you are not interested in their personal situation, which is the correct idea - but then, even in the same forum post, you question their relationship to have ulterior IC motives that would affect the way they play their characters. Firstly, I think the rumours you spread about them being a couple are irrelevant. Secondly, I think they are just rumours without a grain of truth. Thirdly, it is ridiculous to assume that players cannot separate OOC from IC. I shall give as an example the fact that me and Lorgan are really, really good friends IRL for about a decade now - though when I look at how we play Battlemaster, you would often not notice it.
I strongly urge you to drop this entire matter and get over yourself. From what I can read in this thread alone you are just trying to invade someone's privacy when it is not at all your place to do so. Your passive aggressive approach of "I don't care, but I would like to see them say something about it because it may change their IC positions" resembles the tactic of a teenager who just got introduced to basic argumentation. You can do better than that - hell, you are better than that.
By my second message I already dropped the matter for myself. Thank you for your honest opinion on my previous messages.
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I think we're about done with this thread. Mods? Please close it or sanitize it. If closed, those participating are welcome to create a new one.
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Then why did you file a report against them for the grievous sin of (purportedly) having an RL relationship and not telling you about it?
People's real lives are their business. Not yours. Not ours. If they have a relationship in RL, that has absolutely no bearing on whether or not their characters have a relationship, or whether or not their realms have a relationship.
So Atanamir, T Strike, and everyone else, please just respect their privacy and bloody well act like you never even heard a rumour that the two players knew each other in real life.
I would like to repeat again that I have dropped the matter.
I will also fix the quote for you:
"lol, well yeah, honestly, I don't care about it anyMORE."
And again, with that line, I consider the matter as dropped.
Excuse me again Delvin_Anaris for english not being my first language and mixing up words sometimes, making me not explaingin things clear enough to you.I will try harder.
Same obviously counts about the reasoning of my filed complaint.
We two have this argument since some years now, I know it's not easy for me, but I will try better next time.
However I agree with solari that we are done here.
That also includes that my privacy about my correspondence with Titans gets respected as well here.
Thank you all for your input on my messages.