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BattleMaster => Locals => Atamara => Topic started by: Kain on May 09, 2013, 12:48:00 PM
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How are things in BoM these days? Any fun wars going on? Is Sordnaz still the ruler? :p I was thinking about emigrating a char to Atamara but I haven't decided yet. I thought to give the continent another chance.
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For a while there it almost ceased to exist. I am somewhat surprised that they pulled it together.
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For a while there it almost ceased to exist. I am somewhat surprised that they pulled it together.
I saw on the map that they are smaller now then when I was there many years ago so that doesn't surprise me. But what is happening? War with whom? Is it still fun there? Questions like these needs answers! ;)
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BoM fragmented when Makar seceded to form Heorot.
Then Minas Leon, Talerium, and all three of the Eston fragments went to war with Heorot. Heorot bombed horribly, with BoM taking some of their lands back.
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BoM fragmented when Makar seceded to form Heorot.
Then Minas Leon, Talerium, and all three of the Eston fragments went to war with Heorot. Heorot bombed horribly, with BoM taking some of their lands back.
This. Heorot was formed because Ender was tired of following a ruler who didn't say much (Though I totally love Sordnaz's player, in game is gets hard to justify character wise) and fighting a war we weren't really told why we were still fighting. Enough people agreed to form the realm with the hopes of creating a more lively version of the Barony.
I dont know how much has changed in BoM since I left, but things were stagnant for the most part. Some of the people in power are the same people who were part of the group of people who sit there, say nothing except when something really spectacular happens or if they autopaused out of lordship and felt they had to have it back, and then withdraws into the shadows, so who knows if anything is going to change at this point.
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This. Heorot was formed because Ender was tired of following a ruler who didn't say much (Though I totally love Sordnaz's player, in game is gets hard to justify character wise) and fighting a war we weren't really told why we were still fighting. Enough people agreed to form the realm with the hopes of creating a more lively version of the Barony.
I dont know how much has changed in BoM since I left, but things were stagnant for the most part. Some of the people in power are the same people who were part of the group of people who sit there, say nothing except when something really spectacular happens or if they autopaused out of lordship and felt they had to have it back, and then withdraws into the shadows, so who knows if anything is going to change at this point.
Yeah, that doesn't sound too good at all. I hope it has become better but it would be nice if someone with a char inside the barony would answer too.
Otherwise, I guess I have to look at other realms. Any recomendations?
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people who sit there, say nothing except when something really spectacular happens or if they autopaused out of lordship and felt they had to have it back, and then withdraws into the shadows, so who knows if anything is going to change at this point.
This.
This used to make me so mad as King of Eston. If one of my quiet, hardly active Dukes autopaused, came back a few days later and I so as much as THOUGHT as appointing someone else, all of their friends would jump down my throat.
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Darka!
We're the last realm fighting against the unholy MiCE & Co. Join us, the last bastion of freedom upon all of Atamara!
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Darka!
We're the last realm fighting against the unholy MiCE & Co. Join us, the last bastion of freedom upon all of Atamara!
Since I haven't been in Atamara since forever, you'll have to explain who the mice are ;)
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This.
This used to make me so mad as King of Eston. If one of my quiet, hardly active Dukes autopaused, came back a few days later and I so as much as THOUGHT as appointing someone else, all of their friends would jump down my throat.
Yes, we are many that dislike those situations. But try to do it anyway. It is the right thing to do after all :)
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Not the "mice", the "MiCE". The self-proclaimed Mighty Cagilan Empire. The purveyors of destruction, the puppet masters, the enslavers of all Atamara!
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Not the "mice", the "MiCE". The self-proclaimed Mighty Cagilan Empire. The purveyors of destruction, the puppet masters, the enslavers of all Atamara!
Ah! The Sirion of Atamara ;)
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More like Sirion's powerful and successful cousin.
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Shame Heorot didn't last, it was actually a pretty neat little realm.
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Shame Heorot didn't last, it was actually a pretty neat little realm.
That made me chuckle, considering that Kerwin is partly to blame for their destruction. Sure Rieleston would have likely gotten involved at some point, but Kerwin's presence in Heorot sealed (RP-wise) Rieleston's early involvement.
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That made me chuckle, considering that Kerwin is partly to blame for their destruction. Sure Rieleston would have likely gotten involved at some point, but Kerwin's presence in Heorot sealed (RP-wise) Rieleston's early involvement.
I still don't buy that reason. Were all of the realms currently destroying Heorot planning to attack the Barony? Considering how much time he spent in the Barony just before the split, it didn't seem such a pressing issue for everyone before Heorot was formed. Or was someone making plans to kick Kerwin out of BoM?
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I can't speak for the other realms, but Kerwin's presence was always an issue with Rieleston.
Heorot was just unlucky enough to have both Kerwin (Rieleston's issue) and Brackhead (Minas Leon's issue). Eston had no reason to attack other than desperation to be relevant....and that really isn't working out successfully.
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Heorot was just unlucky enough to have both Kerwin (Rieleston's issue) and Brackhead (Minas Leon's issue).
Fair enough. I knew Brackhead was the apple of Minas Leon's eye. I think the rumors that Sordnaz was planning to hand Brackhead over to them was one of Duke Salem's reasons for joining Heorot anyway.
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Fair enough. I knew Brackhead was the apple of Minas Leon's eye. I think the rumors that Sordnaz was planning to hand Brackhead over to them was one of Duke Salem's reasons for joining Heorot anyway.
So Sordnaz is still the ruler of BoM? That's gotta be a record, at least on Atamara? Universe-wide I think doombringer/Dobromir Menethil on EC (Caligus) might be another contender.
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But yes, since I am then considering other realms...
What is the deal with Lyonesse and Rieleston? Any good? Heorot was dead in the water then? It is a shame indeed since it sounded fun on wiki. The first two I mentioned don't even really have a wiki-presence yet.
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Yeah, Heorot is dead. We're down to a rural and two cities. Well, my character is wounded so that may have changed, but I'm fairly certain Makar hasnt fallen yet and Brackhead is still there.
Sordnaz autopaused, I believe, around the time Heorot split off and another character is ruler now. I'm not sure what he record was, but he was ruler pretty much uninterrupted, save for a few other autopause situations, for years.
If I were to play on Atamara after this, I'd check out Darka since they always sounded fun personally. That or the Empire itself. They've always been big and influential, so there could be something there worth checking out.
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Yeah, Heorot is dead. We're down to a rural and two cities. Well, my character is wounded so that may have changed, but I'm fairly certain Makar hasnt fallen yet and Brackhead is still there.
Sordnaz autopaused, I believe, around the time Heorot split off and another character is ruler now. I'm not sure what he record was, but he was ruler pretty much uninterrupted, save for a few other autopause situations, for years.
If I were to play on Atamara after this, I'd check out Darka since they always sounded fun personally. That or the Empire itself. They've always been big and influential, so there could be something there worth checking out.
No way to save Heorot? There has to be! Do you know anything about the other two I mentioned?
I do think Darka sounds fun too but my objection to Darka is that it is too large for my taste. It feels like I am coming in there and there is nothing more to do since "the empire" is long completed.
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Not a whole bunch, myself. They're fragments of Eston that the Empire carved up. Im pretty sure most of them are planning on joining back up, or have factions that plan to, once the treaty forcing them to stay apart is over. Though I know some are working with other goals in mind in the former Eston pieces too.
Darka is fighting the Empire! The last ones doing it too though for how much longer before peace happens, I dont know. Technically, the problem with Atarmara is that once the Empire has won the Empire almost sort of is Atamara at that point. Im curious how that will all turn out.
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Yeah..bad choice of words on my part. I just meant that considering Darkas size, it is an empire in its own right.
But the realm does seem interesting so if I can put it past myself that they are abit large for my taste, I might be able to convince myself to try anyway.
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That made me chuckle, considering that Kerwin is partly to blame for their destruction.
Kerwin had nothing to do with Heorot. He was simply a Knight in a rural region of the Duchy that seceded to form it and all of a sudden I logged in one day "Welcome to Heorot!" So, I don't think that reason holds up very well. Why wasn't Rielston warring BoM before that, then?
Then again, every seems to have some weird obsession with Kerwin for some reason.
What is the deal with Lyonesse and Rieleston? Any good? Heorot was dead in the water then? It is a shame indeed since it sounded fun on wiki. The first two I mentioned don't even really have a wiki-presence yet.
Lyonesse has some interesting things going on I know of. It is indeed small though.
Rieleston is a toxic pit of OOC friends who all empower each other and make no attempt to play the game IC. Every argument or point of conflict turns immediately into an OOC dispute with those players.
Technically, the problem with Atarmara is that once the Empire has won the Empire almost sort of is Atamara at that point. Im curious how that will all turn out.
Oh, it's worse than you think: every realm on the island is allied with the Cagilan Empire except for Darka and the (soon) dead Heorot. BoM is not technically, but I'm sure of their stance now given they are helping Rieleston and Minas Leon take down Heorot so they may as well be considered a part of it too.
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In my experience, Perth, having no influence within a realm, or even desire to be there, is absolutely no barrier to other realms deciding that your presence means the realm deserves to die.
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Wait, wasn't Kerwin supposed to leave the island?
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In my experience, Perth, having no influence within a realm, or even desire to be there, is absolutely no barrier to other realms deciding that your presence means the realm deserves to die.
I know. I'm just saying it wasn't like Kerwin had anything to do with the realm in any more way than he did with the Barony. Or even that Heorot meant to have him in the realm.
Wait, wasn't Kerwin supposed to leave the island?
Shhhhh.... ;)
We all know that was way to harsh a punishment, anyways. Right, guys?
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Technically, the problem with Atarmara is that once the Empire has won the Empire almost sort of is Atamara at that point. Im curious how that will all turn out.
In all likelihood? A bunch of overly contrived gangbangs. Inevitably, some realm will give the Empire an excuse to meddle with their affairs. I mean, people can try to stay quiet and beneath the Empire's notice, but it's sort of impossible for everyone to succeed at that simultaneously without literally sucking all the fun out of Atamara (though it would serve the Empire right for reducing the continent to such a pathetic state of affairs). So, someone will !@#$ up and the Empire will come down on them like a ton of proverbial bricks. And then it will happen again. And again. And again. I mean, that's pretty much exactly what's been going on for a long time now, excluding the present war, although if anything it will be even worse once that is concluded. At least before the war you had a number of large, nominally independent realms that didn't necessarily toe the Cagilan line all the time. That number has been drastically reduced by this war. There is no conceivable combination of realms left that could even pretend to give the Empire and its friends a fair fight unless Tara turns on them, but that will never happen while the Perkeleet family is around (which is as good as saying it will never happen). I mean, let's just stop pretending already and call Tara what it is: The sixth duchy of the Cagilan Empire.
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I mean, let's just stop pretending already and call Tara what it is: The sixth duchy of the Cagilan Empire.
You'd actually be surprised to hear that Tara sometimes disagrees, quite vehemently, with the Empire. Not every day, but on occasion. Tara certainly isn't the pushover that people imagine it to be.
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You'd actually be surprised to hear that Tara sometimes disagrees, quite vehemently, with the Empire. Not every day, but on occasion. Tara certainly isn't the pushover that people imagine it to be.
I sometimes disagree vehemently with my family members, too. That doesn't mean I would ever get up from the table and punch them in the face.
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Rieleston is a toxic pit of OOC friends who all empower each other and make no attempt to play the game IC.
Yes, our OOC connection all dates back to when we were growing up together in Kenya.
Sour grapes Perth, sour grapes...give it a rest, as I think only a few vocal (and at least one who MANY consider toxic) people actually agree with you on this point.
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I still don't buy that reason. Were all of the realms currently destroying Heorot planning to attack the Barony? Considering how much time he spent in the Barony just before the split, it didn't seem such a pressing issue for everyone before Heorot was formed. Or was someone making plans to kick Kerwin out of BoM?
Actually, I'm pretty sure all the realms currently involved were willing to attack BoM except Talerium. Caergoth just wanted some action, Minas Leon wanted Brackhead, Rieleston wanted to help the CE, and Lyonesse... I think was going to take a small segment of lands? Might be wrong on Lyonesse.
As ironic as it is, Heorot may have saved the Barony. We'll see...
I sometimes disagree vehemently with my family members, too. That doesn't mean I would ever get up from the table and punch them in the face.
It's almost come to that once or twice, actually. I don't think the open threats have come from Tara, but CE (very rarely) threatens to put them back in line.
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Actually, I'm pretty sure all the realms currently involved were willing to attack BoM except Talerium. Caergoth just wanted some action, Minas Leon wanted Brackhead, Rieleston wanted to help the CE, and Lyonesse... I think was going to take a small segment of lands? Might be wrong on Lyonesse.
As ironic as it is, Heorot may have saved the Barony. We'll see...
All those reasons make more sense then they wanted Kerwin dead. They all wanted something, obviously, but it wasnt Kerwin or war with BoM should've happened sooner.
I'd be surprised if BoM lasts much longer after Heorot falls given how easy it would be for all parties currently involved just to shift their focus and go after BoM after Heorot is done with. Given that I have no idea who Arnor is trying to negotiate with, though, I can't say for sure.
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You'd actually be surprised to hear that Tara sometimes disagrees, quite vehemently, with the Empire. Not every day, but on occasion. Tara certainly isn't the pushover that people imagine it to be.
All I know is that Zadar (who rules Tara) also has a character with 3,829 days in the Cagilan Empire who is not only a sitting Cagilan Senator but is a Royal on top of that.
I don't disbelieve you that there are disagreements between him and the Cagilan leadership from time to time, but the day he moves from disagreement and/or noncooperation to directly opposing their aims is the day I eat my hat (still waiting for that, by the way).
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There were a few behind the scenes reasons why Rieleston did not declare war on the Barony over Kerwin, but the only one I will divulge is there was a long-standing relationship between a couple of nobles that delayed the war...which would have happened had Heorot not been formed and Kerwin got swept away when regions left. At the time, Rieleston wanted nothing more than Kerwin's head. One of my characters has been on the realm council since the beginning, so this is not conjecture.
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You'd actually be surprised to hear that Tara sometimes disagrees, quite vehemently, with the Empire. Not every day, but on occasion. Tara certainly isn't the pushover that people imagine it to be.
Certainly. Let's look at Suville and Carelia. That was almost a war by proxy there.I don't disbelieve you that there are disagreements between him and the Cagilan leadership from time to time, but the day he moves from disagreement and/or noncooperation to directly opposing their aims is the day I eat my hat (still waiting for that, by the way).
Well Tara has kind of done that already with, like I said, Carelia and Suville. CE doesn't like Carelia for obvious reasons and they liked Suville as Suville has accomplished all they can except for maybe take Carelia out, which they need CE for, thus they work for CE so as to maintain their power instead of ever have CE decide to attack them. Tara was directly funding Carelia andselling food to Carelia (towards the end even lending troops) to aid Carelia against Suville whose claims were obviously bull!@#$, and it came extremely close to CE getting involved. (They claimed they needed food yet would loot our bordering regions rogue which obviously isn't going to help them foodwise. )
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Certainly. Let's look at Suville and Carelia. That was almost a war by proxy there. Well Tara has kind of done that already with, like I said, Carelia and Suville. CE doesn't like Carelia for obvious reasons and they liked Suville as Suville has accomplished all they can except for maybe take Carelia out, which they need CE for, thus they work for CE so as to maintain their power instead of ever have CE decide to attack them. Tara was directly funding Carelia andselling food to Carelia (towards the end even lending troops) to aid Carelia against Suville whose claims were obviously bull!@#$, and it came extremely close to CE getting involved. (They claimed they needed food yet would loot our bordering regions rogue which obviously isn't going to help them foodwise. )
Interesting. Much closer to conflict than I would have expected, but I'd be very surprised (and extremely pleased) to see them break the federation over that.
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I really hope that one day I can give you more information what was really going on between Lions . Yes we had some small disagreement but finally CE did understand what has to be done.
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I disagree, Tara didnt understand what had to be done :D
-Jaune
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So after all you are on CE's side. ;)
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Whats up with BoM?
There is no council at all? :o
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The Veder Saga family was 3/4 of the council last I checked, so if something happened to them that pretty much wipes out the entire Barony council. They're still region lords, though, so I would think if anything happened it's just a round of autopausing for inactivity.
I can't remember who the other guy was, so I don't know what would have happened there.
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First the judge lost his position due to inactivity, and in the election for a new one, not a single noble stepped forward so no judge was elected. Then the Veder Saga family lost their positions due to inactivity and they held rulership, generalship, bankership as well as dukeship and margraveship of the two cities (they haven't lost the dukeship and the lordships yet).
It is unfortunate but the realm is completely dead as evidenced by the fact that no one ran for judge. No one. The Barony is at war with so many realms yet they just sit in their lands doing nothing, almost losing Makar city out of negligence.
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That is why Heorot was formed. The Barony of Makar had become the definition of stagnation and the Veder Saga's are one of the most frequently autopaused families I've ever seen in this game.
There was a reason Ender stopped giving them lordships back in the Barony. Having them in nearly every important position, this was, sadly, bound to happen.
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That is why Heorot was formed. The Barony of Makar had become the definition of stagnation and the Veder Saga's are one of the most frequently autopaused families I've ever seen in this game.
There was a reason Ender stopped giving them lordships back in the Barony. Having them in nearly every important position, this was, sadly, bound to happen.
Ayup. Free land for Lyonesse or Rieleston, I guess.
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Has been the writing on the walls for a while now.
But holy crap--this war was seem the destruction of every traditional Northern realm in Atamara-- Eston, BoM, Minas Ithil.. all gone.
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Actually, I'm pretty sure all the realms currently involved were willing to attack BoM except Talerium. Caergoth just wanted some action, Minas Leon wanted Brackhead, Rieleston wanted to help the CE, and Lyonesse... I think was going to take a small segment of lands? Might be wrong on Lyonesse.
Lyonesse was actually very adamant about refusing spoils of war. The king declined offers of land and even disparaged a noble for looting Hereot lands, saying that he might have to reimburse Hereot for any gold that was stolen. The fact that Fiddleford was conquered by Lyonesse was purely a fluke.
The reason for Lyonesse' participation was that Hereot's king announced that he was going to raid surrounding lands, which the king of Lyonesse interpreted as a threat.
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But holy crap--this war was seem the destruction of every traditional Northern realm in Atamara-- Eston, BoM, Minas Ithil.. all gone.
Good!
Now let's finish off Darka and move on to the Southern realms 8)
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Eston is still there, BoM is still there... and ofcourse Darka is still here...
South and east was already destroyed, there is only Carelia left.
-Jaune
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Lyonesse was actually very adamant about refusing spoils of war. The king declined offers of land and even disparaged a noble for looting Hereot lands, saying that he might have to reimburse Hereot for any gold that was stolen. The fact that Fiddleford was conquered by Lyonesse was purely a fluke.
The reason for Lyonesse' participation was that Hereot's king announced that he was going to raid surrounding lands, which the king of Lyonesse interpreted as a threat.
That's why I said I might be wrong on them. I vaguely remembered their refusal, but couldn't recall why they did fight in the end.
As for Eston and BoM still being there, they're both shells of their former selves. BoM itself is dead inside and Eston is tiny and needy.
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I had thought Lyonesse was sitting in Fiddleford before Ender ever said he'd make raid targets out of anyone who raised arms again him, but I can't remember for sure.
It's nice to know the mere thought of being raided by Vikings inspires that much fear though. ;)
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I would have liked to see Eston and Lyonesse side with Hereot. It would have provided Eston a chance to settle scores with Rieleston, as well as a better war.
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It would have been against Hawthrone treaty and had brought war again on their lands.
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Cagilan_Empire/The_Treaty_of_Hawthorne
IV.d. Eston and Hawthorne will adopt a diplomatic status of peace or better with Talerium, Tara, Strombran, Coria, Rieleston, and the Cagilan Empire, for a period of at least nine (9) months.
Nobody does nothing without having approval from the puppet mastah at center.
-Jaune
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I'm so sorry that we keep winning wars. :'( :'( :'(
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I'm so sorry that we keep winning wars. :'( :'( :'(
Not very hard when you usually outnumber the enemy 5-1
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Not very hard when you usually outnumber the enemy 5-1
You say that....and yet Darka is still alive.
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You say that....and yet Darka is still alive.
...And it's likely to stay that way. Given Enri's current strategy, I imagine it will take a long time for Darka to collapse.
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...And it's likely to stay that way. Given Enri's current strategy, I imagine it will take a long time for Darka to collapse.
*Starts spreading rumors that Enri is a Darkan sympathizer*
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Darka is invincible!
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Darkan Dukes have 50,000 gold saved up supposedly. So, in order to break them you cannot rely on attrition. You must instead go for a decapitating blow, by capturing their capital. In order to do this, you must outmanoeuvre them rather than face them head on. They must be be made to think that you are en route towards the traditional meeting place of Loratil, when in fact you have broken the treaty with Talerium and are marching on Azzal instead.
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You all so funny...
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Darkan Dukes have 50,000 gold saved up supposedly. So, in order to break them you cannot rely on attrition. You must instead go for a decapitating blow, by capturing their capital. In order to do this, you must outmanoeuvre them rather than face them head on. They must be be made to think that you are en route towards the traditional meeting place of Loratil, when in fact you have broken the treaty with Talerium and are marching on Azzal instead.
Unlikely. Though, I have to admit, I would enjoy a strong sense of schadenfreude if Talerium ended up stabbing Darka in the back.
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Darka is invincible!
But... but it will be destroyed!!! (At last, my character hopes so))) Maybe we can hit them in the heads with gold nuggets? %)
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heh, you guys have gone too far with your destroying fetish... Aint it enough if you win? No! We want to destroy! :D
-Jaune
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The only way to destroy Darka is to either sack Azzal or take Talerium on your side.
To put it simple it is nearly impossible to do it as long as Talerium stays neutral.
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Who said the goal was to destroy Darka?
Yeah, its damn near impossible Talerium isn't gonna budge and no other nations seems as if they are going to get on board to fight Darka. I personally though do think the Darkan's are having such fun up there with them large units and funds up to wazoo.
Also, Talerium would be a fool I think to war Darka especially since Azzal is right there... realm would be more of a barren waste land than it already is, but hey if they did it would get more interesting!
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Also, Talerium would be a fool I think to war Darka especially since Azzal is right there... realm would be more of a barren waste land than it already is, but hey if they did it would get more interesting!
They could easily win if they joined the current war.
What's more is that they would stand to profit the most by expanding into Darka.
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They would profit, but then again who could trust them after they turned on their 8-9 year long friendship with Darka? Also, I don't think that they could hold many of the regions, without a swarm of new arrives to that realm. Talerium had same borders primarily since 04 hasn't it?
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heh, you guys have gone too far with your destroying fetish... Aint it enough if you win? No! We want to destroy! :D
-Jaune
It's fun to destroy, isn't it? And wasn't it Darka's point that Atamara needs changes - that would be a change, having no Darka)) And, of course, Darka's residents would have more reasons for revenge then, which would be also cool from player's perspective.
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It's fun to destroy, isn't it? And wasn't it Darka's point that Atamara needs changes - that would be a change, having no Darka)) And, of course, Darka's residents would have more reasons for revenge then, which would be also cool from player's perspective.
Do you have any idea of the following?
1. That it is essentially impossible for Darka to be "destroyed" let alone defeated at all?
2. Having no Darka won't change anything about Atamaran politics other than perhaps making more players leave the island.
3. Darka's residents don't need anymore reason for revenge. If they wanted a reason they've been given plenty.
Finally, disregarding that, the whole idea of "destroying realms" in war, is very bad for the game atmosphere in my opinion. Not every war was a war fought for total destruction. How is it fun to ever contemplate conflict when you know that to lose means to lose everything?
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Who said the goal was to destroy Darka?
Yeah, its damn near impossible Talerium isn't gonna budge and no other nations seems as if they are going to get on board to fight Darka. I personally though do think the Darkan's are having such fun up there with them large units and funds up to wazoo.
Also, Talerium would be a fool I think to war Darka especially since Azzal is right there... realm would be more of a barren waste land than it already is, but hey if they did it would get more interesting!
Some people mentioned the word destroy quite a lot , thus my answer to them.
If Talerium joined the war it would be like a walk in the zoo to destroy Darka along with CE and Tara. :P
And be sure no one would distrust them,CE would know better than distrust them after winning Darka for them :P
But i do believe they won't, they are weird people and they do honor their treaties and friendships . As long as KK is King and Tezokian PM that is...dunno what would happen if that combo changed.
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It's fun to destroy, isn't it? And wasn't it Darka's point that Atamara needs changes - that would be a change, having no Darka)) And, of course, Darka's residents would have more reasons for revenge then, which would be also cool from player's perspective.
Flames as much as i find amusing the fact you hate Darka so much when you hardly spent half year in the realm i do have to ruin the fun for you :( Darka surely can't win foreva...but getting destroyed is like out of question :P unless a duke goes berserk and ruins the realm from the inside..oh wait...such thing would never happen to Darka :P
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I think we might have a bit diffrent view what kind of change Atamara needs :D
I'm pretty sure, that wiping out realms totally, or making them lose bad, real bad... will only lead people to leave island(voluntarily or forced)... which sucks these days. Darka has a lot nobles, but many realms lack nobles and could definately have more.
Example if Darka would be wiped out or KK forced to leave island and Darka would be left with few badlands at north... I would prolly leave island with my other char too, and i can guess that many other old Darkans would too, and some even quit whole game.
Red Span wipeout, many fun players left, i didnt feel bad back then... but now i do. Abington wiped out, many old players left... then i felt a bit bad, we run out of enemy :P
I guess i'm getting old, cause i dont want to lose any players from Atamara, or the game... IC it would be hilarious to force council of CE & Tara to leave island and force them to split out all duchies to dozen midget realms... but as a player... it would suck... except the midget realms would amuse me greatly as player too....
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The only way to destroy Darka is to either sack Azzal or take Talerium on your side.
To put it simple it is nearly impossible to do it as long as Talerium stays neutral.
Right, but CE & Co. have to do something, right? I mean, they can't just ignore what Darka did. Hence why they're still marching back and forth and trying to bleed you to death, only very, very slowly...
Out of curiosity, have you heard anything about terms yet? I seem to recall that Darka has asked for them, but I'm not sure if you've gotten any answers back.
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Right, but CE & Co. have to do something, right? I mean, they can't just ignore what Darka did. Hence why they're still marching back and forth and trying to bleed you to death, only very, very slowly...
Out of curiosity, have you heard anything about terms yet? I seem to recall that Darka has asked for them, but I'm not sure if you've gotten any answers back.
Well i didn't comment on why they do it :P i m just saying they can't do it. :P
This isn't slow death, so far it's nothing :P Tbh in your last attack you could have pulled a lot more than looting the same regions again and leave..for Sigrid's sake we even moved to Azzal and left you all alone there and you just sat there looting the same regions.
Personaly i wasn't impressed :P. Darka can't bleed to death with just Ce,Tara and Coria. The realm will suffer losses...but bleed to death? nope.
I know nothing for terms but yes i m sure we asked for the war to end.But as jaune said earlier, if he was for example forced to leave the island..(or offered terms like Eston'sthat of course KK wouldn't accept) but in that weird-impossible case any Darkan King signed such terms, i would quit Atamara forever.Many Darkans would.
That would be your opportunity to win :P
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Well i didn't comment on why they do it :P i m just saying they can't do it. :P
This isn't slow death, so far it's nothing :P Tbh in your last attack you could have pulled a lot more than looting the same regions again and leave..for Sigrid's sake we even moved to Azzal and left you all alone there and you just sat there looting the same regions.
Personaly i wasn't impressed :P. Darka can't bleed to death with just Ce,Tara and Coria. The realm will suffer losses...but bleed to death? nope.
I know nothing for terms but yes i m sure we asked for the war to end.But as jaune said earlier, if he was for example forced to leave the island..(or offered terms like Eston'sthat of course KK wouldn't accept) but in that weird-impossible case any Darkan King signed such terms, i would quit Atamara forever.Many Darkans would.
That would be your opportunity to win :P
You seem to think I want to "win." I don't really. I did want to see what playing in the Empire was like, but as a knight it's not all that interesting to be honest. I may move that character over to Silnaria at some point, which is far more interesting.
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I had some chit chat finally with Fury, he first wanted to give Azzal to Talerium, which i disagreed and proposed if Massilion would be seceded out from Darka. Fury said secede is not losing duchy... when i laughed that so eston lost only 2 regions and their king? Why Darkan demands are so much bigger then?
Then Fury wanted Massilion and 2 regiosn from Azzal Duchy. I proposed that we split Darka to 2, south and north... this was also turned down. That was pretty much end of negotiations.
-Jaune
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Why Darkan demands are so much bigger then?
I'd guess because Darka was/is a much bigger threat than Eston.
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I guess this will be very long war then to the bitter end, either of Darka or KK... cause KK definately wont accept similar silly demands what Eston had. So either way they need to destroy Darka or Darkans need to kick out KK.
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I'd guess because Darka was/is a much bigger threat than Eston.
Eston had ridiculous demands, but at least they lost whereas Darka isn't even losing. If Darka gets an ally who will help them, they could potentially start even gaining an advantage.
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You seem to think I want to "win." I don't really. I did want to see what playing in the Empire was like, but as a knight it's not all that interesting to be honest. I may move that character over to Silnaria at some point, which is far more interesting.
I don't know why you think i m only referring to you when i talk about CE and friends , i am not.It is a general comment which i do based on general things you say.
I don't know about you but Ce wants to win :)
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So either way they need to destroy Darka or Darkans need to kick out KK.
I see none of this happening, but if one must occur..everyone should know that Darkans will choose to die over kicking out their King or accept insulting demands.
This is the main difference between Eston and Darka. Darka will choose death over humilation, which is why i adore this realm.
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Darka will not be Darka without KK