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BattleMaster => Locals => Dwilight => Topic started by: Tandaros on May 29, 2013, 03:11:44 AM
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Have at it! Who's the most infamous in all the land? And why?
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Bowie Ironsides.
Allison Kabrinski (deceased).
Glaumring to an extent.
Mendicant Arharhargar (deceased).
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Haruka the Peasant Queen of Thulsoma
Baal the Betrayer of Caerwyn, and his general Amandil the Butcher
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Im only infamous to an extent... Whew im fine with that.
Allison Kabrinski
Bowie
Terrence
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Raziel II Himoura, or was he the third? Stabbity, which one of your Raziel's played in D'Hara (I still haven't forgotten what he did to me! Brilliant!)
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Im only infamous to an extent... Whew im fine with that.
Allison Kabrinski
Bowie
Terrence
Technically Terrence isn't a noble, but he certainly is quite infamous. I heard once he did a roleplay while in Candiels sneaking into Mendicant's bedchambers and leaving him a brown present.
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Technically Terrence isn't a noble, but he certainly is quite infamous. I heard once he did a roleplay while in Candiels sneaking into Mendicant's bedchambers and leaving him a brown present.
And he stuck a little flag in it. ;D
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Raziel II Himoura, or was he the third? Stabbity, which one of your Raziel's played in D'Hara (I still haven't forgotten what he did to me! Brilliant!)
That was Rathan Himoura.
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That was Rathan Himoura.
Ohhh, that's right! Just Rathan? Not a sequel? Or a trilogy or anything?
That scoundrel! ...I wish he were still alive....
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So does he :p
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That was Rathan Himoura.
I only remember Jonsu. Wasn't Jonsu the one that funneled gold from the lords as a banker, and then threw a hissy fit when told that wasn't OK?
Well, I do remember the name Rathan, I just don't remember anything of his stay in D'Hara... He stayed a while, didn't he? :/
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I remember fairly early on in Dwilight meeting up with Rathan (I think?) in Zuma lands where Vates tried to have us create some daimon worshiping religions.
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I recall from extensive RPs that Jonsu's motivations and developemental tracks are deeply rooted in the events surrounding Rathan's death. Of course, we wrote through those RPs over a year ago and my memory may be faulty
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Katyanna Ogren, the Dragon Queen of D'Hara
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Mendicant
Allison
Terrence
Glaumring
Haruka
Baal the Betrayer
Bowie Ironsides
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Several has mentioned Bowie Ironsides. How did he become so infamous anyways? Must have been during my paused period. They (the real powers) did allow him to become ruler in Swordfell 8)
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He's infamous because he's an annoying and loud !@#$%^&.
He hasn't actually done anything noteworthy.
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He created the Dwilight University, though mostly as a venue over which to air his diatribes. It has spread pretty far and wide.
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He created the Dwilight University, though mostly as a venue over which to air his diatribes. It has spread pretty far and wide.
Nah, that was Vita... Or that old duke of Springdale.
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Gustav isn't here? :'(
(not that he's done anything infamous... yet.)
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It was Sejieda Vita's idea, but Sammael Haines (Springdale's Duke) founded it. It was never intended to be a venue to vent. Unfortunately, both Haines and I had our families deleted from inactivity. Bowie was a vocal (like everything else he does) supporter of Dwilight University, so he was involved in seeing it spread. If it weren't for Bowie, it probably would've died. As itis, it barely survived.
Oh, and I had *thought* Pierre von Genf had a higher elder rank than Bowie as Dean of Students or some such, but maybe we never got around to actually promoting him. Pretty sure it was discussed though.
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Ahhh... I forgot that old history of the DU. Too bad it turned out like it did.
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Oh, and I had *thought* Pierre von Genf had a higher elder rank than Bowie as Dean of Students or some such, but maybe we never got around to actually promoting him. Pretty sure it was discussed though.
He is, but he wants to resign.
Ahhh... I forgot that old history of the DU. Too bad it turned out like it did.
The funny thing is that the DU was supposed to create discussion and allow for all nobles to express their views. I never understood why nobody challenged Bowie the entire time he made his polemics and his histories (which were actually quality works by the way). If the DU became polarized to one viewpoint it is because the other side never bothered to build its own camp. Nobody would have stopped them, just like nobody bothered to stop Bowie. Instead they fled the debate!
He's infamous because he's an annoying and loud !@#$%^&.
Antagonist is the polite word, ::)
Several has mentioned Bowie Ironsides. How did he become so infamous anyways? ...
Reputation largely, mythology even larger. Bowie had a marvelous PR agent :P
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And he stuck a little flag in it. ;D
A little D'Haran flag. ;D
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He is, but he wants to resign.
But no one wants the position, so I'm stuck. If you want it, just ask, I'll gladly let anyone who is interested have it.
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My new character was already planning to join DU when he went on his pilgrimage and building another campus in luria when he returned. Stick it out a little longer, mention passing the torch to DU, and he might accept.
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Bowie adding history doesnt bother me. I like it when people are adding small touches of lore to the land as long as its not far out there or infringes too much on already established realm or region lore. We should be actively be adding lore to the game. I wish there was more descriptive features one could add to their realm for ... Hmmm thats a good gold sink idea, have things like 'ruins' or 'swamp' that you canbuy etc to add to your regions... Agh I digress.
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Yet no one speaks if the drunken bastard Keiji Motosuwa. I am deeply saddened,
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Yet no one speaks if the drunken bastard Keiji Motosuwa. I am deeply saddened,
Keije Moto-who? No never heard of.
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Yet no one speaks if the drunken bastard Keiji Motosuwa. I am deeply saddened,
Haha, try again.
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Brom Silverfire
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Brom Silverfire
Certainly he is high up there.
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I suppose Enoch and Jonsu have risen the ranks a bit. No one ever expects Lawful Evil!
He's infamous because he's an annoying and loud !@#$%^&.
He hasn't actually done anything noteworthy.
He rubbed people the wrong way. I honestly enjoyed that. Then again, I enjoy tricksters and irony. It's kind of funny, because he did inspire me to put more effort into my character. His work on the wiki was impressive, but most of his character plans were largely benign.
I suppose he did do one thing pretty noteworthy. He mentored and shaped Enoch, who was less benign.
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You're not exactly Lawful Evil if you break the laws.
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A lawful evil villain methodically takes what he wants within the limits of his code of conduct without regard for whom it hurts. He cares about tradition, loyalty, and order but not about freedom, dignity, or life. He plays by the rules but without mercy or compassion. He is comfortable in a hierarchy and would like to rule, but is willing to serve. He condemns others not according to their actions but according to race, religion, homeland, or social rank. He is loath to break laws or promises.
Lawful evil doesn't mean obeying the laws, merely obeying your own set of laws.
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A lawful evil villain may have a personal (as opposed to traditional/legal) set of rules, but he would loath to change them later on, even for personal gain. He may make his own rules, but he sticks to them.
Another trait is that lawful evil villains consider promises and contracts to be binding, even without the threat of enforcement. You don't have to worry about him reneging on a deal.
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Which is why I describe Jonsu as Neutral Evil.
Did I say that aloud? I meant Lawful Good.
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A lawful evil villain may have a personal (as opposed to traditional/legal) set of rules, but he would loath to change them later on, even for personal gain. He may make his own rules, but he sticks to them.
Another trait is that lawful evil villains consider promises and contracts to be binding, even without the threat of enforcement. You don't have to worry about him reneging on a deal.
Can anyone recall Enoch ever taking any 'vows' for the Regency? I meant to avoid realistic campaign promises and reciting any vow that would be counter to his plans, but I don't have those messages and don't remember if I got carried away blowing smoke.
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The regency never had any formal vows or oaths. I've only known a couple realms to ever have an explicit oath that characters must swear.
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Jonsu & Enoch just made the most infamous list.
Other than them, I can only think of a handful.
Bowie Ironsides
Allison Kabrinksi
Haruka Vanimedle (there was another character in this family that started an earlier rebellion in Niselur when I started playing but I don't remember the name)
Baal Beldragos
And did anyone mention Garret Artemesia yet?
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People in general don't, which is sad; I don't want oaths implemented in any binding game-mechanical way, that's for sure. Though it's no use to complain about it if I'm doing nothing; I should work on getting some oath swearing done in Corsanctum when I have the time, but I've been working on personal RP lately instead.
OT: Jonsu & Enoch just made the most infamous list.
Other than them, I can only think of a handful.
Bowie Ironsides
Allison Kabrinksi
Haruka Vanimedle (there was another character in this family that started an earlier rebellion in Niselur when I started playing but I don't remember the name)
Baal Beldragos
And did anyone mention Garret Artemesia yet?
Add Mendicant to the list!
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Mod note: Oaths discussion split off to a General Discussion thread.
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Jonsu Himoura
Bowie Ironsides
Machiavel Chernier
Alice Arundel
[Any] Kabrinski
Mendicant
Rurik Clark (maybe that's just from a D'Haran POV...)
Fulco
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I never really figured Machiavel as being high-profile. Some lurians might dislike him because he is D'Haran, some D'Harans might have different goals than him, but overall, he tends to get along with people, unlike most of my other characters.
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I never really figured Machiavel as being high-profile. Some lurians might dislike him because he is D'Haran, some D'Harans might have different goals than him, but overall, he tends to get along with people, unlike most of my other characters.
Your forget Niselur, you aint popular there ;p
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Neither in Asylon...
And should not Glaumring be on that list? he seems quite unpopular, hated and dislike among the Astroists.
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Your forget Niselur, you aint popular there ;p
Forget where? :P
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Forget where? :P
Niselur, it will be located next to Swordfell and Morek, its capital is called Mimer or something like that... :P ;)
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Your forget Niselur, you aint popular there ;p
I figure, but my weeks of causing unrest has done zero damage...
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Niselur, it will be located next to Swordfell and Morek, its capital is called Mimer or something like that... :P ;)
Always looking away to the future, to the horizon; never your mind on where you are, what you are doing! Besides that's East Astrum, silly.
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Neither in Asylon...
And should not Glaumring be on that list? he seems quite unpopular, hated and dislike among the Astroists.
Im unpopular with the Astroists for attacking Kabrinskia......... Its like being unpopular for attacking Germany in WWII.
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Im unpopular with the Astroists for attacking Kabrinskia......... Its like being unpopular for attacking Germany in WWII.
Well it's more like attacking Germany long before Hitler did anything wrong. Anyways, I would disagree on that being the reason. Glaumring is rather erratic, heretical, aggressive, and crazy. Glaumring was not very popular prior to his leaving SA. While disliked by SA for a long time, some recent things being him being a Cult of Bloodmoon leader, aggressive against Astrum, and explicitly stating Glaumring wished to destroy SA.
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I never wanted to destroy SA. My main goal was to see more infighting and the large federations broken up. Mission accomplished apparently, things have been quite chaotic lately and I think a lot more fun. My own eradict behaviour happened in a rather stressful time of my life and Im feeling better about things lately. I think my RL stress started to bleed into my ig decisions. Oh well, wont be the first or last time. Astrum could have chosen better less arrogant diplomacy and actually engaged us on more levels than they ever did. No one can ever say that I ever closed doors for dialogue and RP, I never block or ignore my enemies IG. Thats stupid and every realm that has ever done that has been crushed.
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His unpopularity reached many before he joined SA, and many not of SA. I'd say SA has nothing to do with it, he just has a knack to annoy foreigners. And Asylon as a whole had enemies since day one.
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Lol thats not true, before SA I was a D'Haran until I told the usurpers there to please have a little respect for the nobles there and allow them their old lands, instead the Shadovar nobility was pushed out of their lands and replaced by D'Haran invaders and anyone who questioned it was banned. I didnt evenknow what SA was until I went north to join the fight against Morek for no other reason than Virovene was an underdog and I was so bored and wanted some war action. Soon after that I formed Thulsoma and made a RP about SA that got me in trouble because I didnt know SA didnt do sea turtle sacrifices and drinking blood, so they had a heresy trial for a noble who had no idea he did anything wrong. And then once I was found innocent of the charges, Morek ceased communication with us, Astrum did the same and Libero began threatening us about taking our lands. That and Summerdale hated us for being SA and the rest of SA for not being SA enough. Its like you had an entire Rp plate infront of all of you and you chose hostility. Thulsoma sent wine down the Torrents breath when the prophet first acknowledged us in celebration. Our first SA priest had is name carved into the fortress walls of Storms keep. And in the end I am hated for running an SA coup in Asylon and usurping a Caerwyn colony and trying damn hard to get Asylon and Astrum to join forces and attack Caerwyn. Aye, im hated for being pretty good for SA and a bit zealous.
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Soon after that I formed Thulsoma and made a RP about SA that got me in trouble because I didnt know SA didnt do sea turtle sacrifices and drinking blood, so they had a heresy trial for a noble who had no idea he did anything wrong.
I've never even heard of that....
And in the end I am hated for running an SA coup in Asylon and usurping a Caerwyn colony and trying damn hard to get Asylon and Astrum to join forces and attack Caerwyn. Aye, im hated for being pretty good for SA and a bit zealous.
Now, see, *this* part I *know* is all just your imagination running wild again.
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I've never even heard of that....
Now, see, *this* part I *know* is all just your imagination running wild again.
Judging from the way you ran your realm diplomacy and RP I wouldn't think you'd know what was going on beyond the tip of your own nose. Seriously, Are you going to question everything I say?
Look on the very bottom of the page and look at the short list of historical events, http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Thulsoma/Old_Thulsoma
-Festival of Storms end Corsanctum, A.D. 1009, at the 85th day of the blessed rule of our Holy Prophet, marks the day that Thulsoma officially was cleared of heresy charges. On this day wine in poured into the river Torrents breath as an offering to the holy prophet in Corsanctum. Bloodmoon is eaten in the evening and singing continues through the night. The Bloodstars happen to have been all rather dark on this day and most of the singing is about the wishes of the people to see the return of the blood stars. Austere dark Auspicious Waning Maddening dark superior
-Thulsomans are followers of all the stars in the hierarchy of Sanguis Astroism, for only a madman would acknowledge that there is only one star in the sky. And only one that guides the many moods of mankind, one must not always rely on madness, for that would be mad and that would mean sane as sanity implies predictability, so all the stars must be followed. Their king has been accused of heresy, this is not something to be taken lightly. Yet, one must ask why and where and about the stars, study ever so closely. For as each of the three stars is united each star is able to speak if one listens ever so closely. Ultimately the holy prophet in Corsanctum is the great voice of reason and is greatly respected in far and insignificant Thulsoma.--- quote
Historic dates and events
10??-05-18: Sir Sygrum Priest of Sanguis Astroism defects to Corsanctum abandoning his people.
10??-05-19: Monsters attack and pillage Storms End. King Glaumring and General Randemicos and the collected nobles fight to defend their lands.
10??-05-22: Peace declared between Thulsoma and Holy Corsanctum. Celebrations were held for that day and all was well.
10??-05-25: Knight Davior Runevan joins Thulsoma. Monsters assault the Storms keep. Storms End is near revolt and everyone retreats, Randemicos alone fights from his manor.
10??-06-12: Ambassador Aelwolf Burson of Corsanctum arrives in Thulsoma to much fanfare. The Fortress first pallisade is completed in his honor.
And finally RP's from the original founding of Thulsoma, http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,272.msg3618.html#msg3618
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Aelwolf wasn't an ambassador he was one of Allison's infiltrators.
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He was the ambassador sent to Thiulsoma to open ties with us, whether he really was an ambassador or not means nothing. He came north and soon after we began direct talks with the prophet. Direct talks that went on until the Kabrinskian war. Did you even bother looking at the date when these were posted?
Anyways the walls of Storms keep are called the Aelwolf walls.
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Kabrinskia war was with Asylon not Thulsoma.
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Kabrinskia war was with Asylon not Thulsoma.
Yeah, I know. Go back and read again.
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Seriously, Are you going to question everything I say?
I'm not questioning, merely saying I've never heard of that event. There was a significant period of time where Brance was an aspirant in SA, due to my lack of time, and Brance's frustrations with the church. That could have been the time where Astrum nearly splintered from SA and formed a variant religion. We were discussing the matter in our inner council, and Brance nearly did form a rival church.
And, seriously, do you have to break out with insults all the time? It makes having conversations with you pretty tedious.
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What insults? The 'nose' part is completely true. You have very thin skin if you consider that an insult. Factually you have rarely ever interacted with me in game yet find me to be your enemy. You have never once tried to contact me one on one about anything. Where I have constantly opened the door to develop character and RP. How can you feel so strongly about IG matters yet not interact with anyone but your sycophants? Astrum has never once opened RP dialogue with us and always treated us with silent aloofness. I'm so glad we destroyed Astrum, let it be a lesson to the style of gaming and that type of player.
Judging from my RP's I was very SA and only later demonized by some. I'm hardly the enemy SA says I am. It's mostly lies by people intimidated.
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Time to tone the hostility down, please.
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Hostility? Give me a break, serious? This is pretty passive aggressive type stuff going on here on both of your parts. I have done nothing nor said anything that any sane person would merely brush off as conversational.
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It was directed at both of you, Glaumring. I strongly suggest you also tone down your paranoia and defensiveness. Not everything is about you, not everyone is out to get you.
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Thulsoma was destroyed long before the foundation of Kabrinskia from the former caerwynian lands.
Sergio never intended to be arrogant with Glaumring. I always thought they had a mutual respect and a funny good relationship like drinking together after a hard battle (like a rugby third time).