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Title: Fane
Post by: Zakilevo on June 03, 2013, 07:10:57 AM
Uh... a new realm out of nowhere... What happened?
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ironsides on June 03, 2013, 07:19:33 AM

Make way for Fane!
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Fleugs on June 03, 2013, 09:57:01 AM
Weird name. Not sure if it's the name for a really smoking hot chick or the "e" was an accidental typo. Anyway this looks like a new Ironsides realm. Oh... joy...
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Vessol on June 03, 2013, 10:04:32 AM
Make way for Fane!

Don't think there's too many people to get in your way..

Nobles: 1
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Chaotrance13 on June 03, 2013, 01:08:51 PM
Yup. Completely unexpected. To my knowledge none of us in the upper echelons of Westmoor knew anything of this plot.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Indirik on June 03, 2013, 02:15:18 PM
If you knew then it wouldn't be a plot, it would be a conspiracy. :)

Maybe Armstrong is working with Nivemus and Sirion. It willbe the new Sirionite buffer realm.

Bu more seriously ... who was the bright spark that gave a duchy to an Ironsides, and didn't expect something bad to happen? ;)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: T Strike on June 03, 2013, 03:01:22 PM
T'was Jor but he wasn't on Dwilight when Bowie did his thing so I don't think he knew.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Foxglove on June 03, 2013, 05:46:10 PM
The curse of the Ironsides strikes again  :o

Armstrong wasn't willing to give up his titles in a peace treaty. I'm blaming Jor for this one. He appointed him, rather than choosing someone who hadn't taken too many mace blows to the helm.

The Westmoorian nobility wants Armstrong's head on a spike.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ironsides on June 03, 2013, 06:44:23 PM
For the record, Armstrong and Bowie are completely different people. I did spend time building each character separately. It isn't fair to me to compare their actions and motivations.

But as for Fane, hot dog ain't this gonna be a fun ride! It's intended to be a city-state, first ever.

...Nobles: 1

One noble now, but "if you build it, they will come."

Let all glory loving and wealth seeking knights flock to Fane! If it lives post-womb, it just might have massive potential in the future  8)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Foxglove on June 03, 2013, 06:51:58 PM
Yeah, the Armstrong character does have his own motivations for his actions. In fairness, this is playing the game how it's meant to be played, where nobles will stake everything for rank, titles, and personal glory.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Indirik on June 03, 2013, 06:54:42 PM
I give it about one chance in a hundred, tops.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: trying on June 03, 2013, 07:09:30 PM
Well now nobody is going to sell food to Oligarch and it'll continue to starve to death.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Indirik on June 03, 2013, 07:10:28 PM
In fairness, this is playing the game how it's meant to be played, where nobles will stake everything for rank, titles, and personal glory.
The game is not about doing silly things that you know will fail, or that you are pretty sure have a snowball's chance in hell of surviving more than about a week. You *can* do those things, but saying that the game is all about that is simply wrong.

Taking risks? Yes. Standing on the edge of the Grand Canyon and saying "I'm gonna risk it all and jump because hey, you never know, I might learn how to fly in the 10 seconds I'll have before I splatter my brains out on the rocks below."? Not so much.

From what I understand, this isn't about making bets and taking risks. Westmoor is going to lose the war. Badly. They are going to lose Oligarch. Apparently Armstrong is going to lose the title whether Sirion TOs the city, or Westmoor hands it over as part of a treaty. But there's no way in hell that Sirion is going to let him keep the city, either as a Margrave in Sirion, or as ruler of a banana republic snubbing his nose in Sirion's face. (Unless Armstrong has done the unimaginable and got Sirion's buy-in on this before seceding.)

This is a desperation move, with Armstrong hoping like crazy that he can fast talk someone into supporting him before either Westmoor *or* Sirion kicks his ass to the curb. I can't imagine that either of his neighbors will hesitate for one millisecond to put on their spiked boots to do the kicking.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ironsides on June 03, 2013, 07:51:20 PM

Well, I will say that Armstrong is a very deliberate and methodical person (exact opposite of Bowie) and as far as he is concerned he is completely content. And as for me, his puppet master, I have a wide smile on my face! Now that's why I play BattleMaster!

 ;D
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Indirik on June 03, 2013, 08:04:13 PM
My character is pretty happy about the whole incident, too. Poetic justice.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: T Strike on June 03, 2013, 09:03:18 PM
RIP Westmoor and Fane you both lived great lives.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Foxglove on June 03, 2013, 10:07:33 PM
The game is not about doing silly things that you know will fail, or that you are pretty sure have a snowball's chance in hell of surviving more than about a week. You *can* do those things, but saying that the game is all about that is simply wrong.

Armstrong isn't that sort of maverick character who would do silly things just for the sake of it. He obviously *thinks* he has a plan. It'll be interesting to see what he does next.

Anyway, it's livened up a boring war.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Indirik on June 03, 2013, 10:17:08 PM
Come to the south! It's not boring down here. :D
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ironsides on June 03, 2013, 10:44:04 PM
RIP Westmoor and Fane you both lived great lives.

Not necessarily.

The little game of chess for Oligarch has begun. I know the intention of one of the continental powers for sure, maybe two, possibly three but uncertain, but what of the rest?
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Kain on June 03, 2013, 10:53:15 PM
I didn't look at the map until now but wheren't there more regions in the Oligarch duchy? Did they all return to Westmoor quickly? Or was Oligarch city alone all along?
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Chaotrance13 on June 03, 2013, 11:25:08 PM
They all transferred to the Western Moors. At whose behest I'm not sure. Still, not complaining. Ravier's now the sole duke in Westmoor.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Foxglove on June 03, 2013, 11:54:34 PM
They all transferred to the Western Moors. At whose behest I'm not sure.

Armstrong's.

Where did Fane's crest come from? That's actually a pretty nice coat of arms.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ketchum on June 04, 2013, 02:44:23 AM
All hail to the new realm of Fane!

Wait a minute, why it has only 1 city and no rural? And only 1 noble? I thought seceding usually take a lot of efforts beforehand to ensure the city is well-fed and sustainable, etc. I never secede before, not even a Duke, so what happen here? ???
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Zakilevo on June 04, 2013, 03:00:55 AM
Who needs food!
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ironsides on June 04, 2013, 06:18:54 AM
Where did Fane's crest come from? That's actually a pretty nice coat of arms.

I made them :)

Wait a minute, why it has only 1 city and no rural? And only 1 noble? I thought seceding usually take a lot of efforts beforehand to ensure the city is well-fed and sustainable, etc. I never secede before, not even a Duke, so what happen here? ???

I call it "white secession." I took nothing with me but the city and Armstrong, no collateral regions or knights. Nifty trick, eh?
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ironsides on June 04, 2013, 08:11:08 PM

Quote
Noble Joins the Realm   (10 hours, 27 minutes ago)
message to all nobles of Fane
Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore has joined your realm. He used to be a noble of Nivemus.

Ha! Fane has someone no one else has, we've got Dumbledore!

Success!
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Lavigna on June 04, 2013, 08:20:37 PM
Ha! Fane has someone no one else has, we've got Dumbledore!

Success!

Pfffff you re nothing without Potter!
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Zakilevo on June 04, 2013, 08:22:15 PM
Pfffff you re nothing without Potter!

Screw Potter. Get Voldemort!
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on June 04, 2013, 10:06:57 PM
Ha! Fane has someone no one else has, we've got Dumbledore!

Success!

Have fun, he doesn't talk much.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ketchum on June 05, 2013, 02:52:55 AM
Ha! Fane has someone no one else has, we've got Dumbledore!

Success!
We got Snape! He will kill Dumbledore you know :P
That is your first noble, congratulations :)

Screw Potter. Get Voldemort!
Better yet Hermione, Miss Brain :D
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ironsides on June 05, 2013, 04:40:15 AM
Have fun, he doesn't talk much.

Neither does Armstrong, I guess I'll have to change that.

...
That is your first noble, congratulations :)
...

"Started from the bottom now we're here"
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Terises Jr. on June 05, 2013, 07:47:58 AM
So just 2 noble? Can i sent my new noble, Stella to your realm?
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Foxglove on June 05, 2013, 07:58:32 AM
I expect Armstrong would be delighted if you did.

I've just noticed that Fane has a larger population than the Obsidian Islands. Now, that's funny.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ironsides on June 05, 2013, 08:09:17 AM
So just 2 noble? Can i sent my new noble, Stella to your realm?

"So long as you are honest and true, and devoted to the virtues of your heart and the faith of your soul above all else," absolutely!
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Terises Jr. on June 05, 2013, 08:27:23 AM
But i never play at East Island.. Maybe
need to read wiki page..

Anyway, Stella will join Fane after 3 day.. (i need to do
some thing with my commoner..)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Sonya on June 05, 2013, 09:43:46 PM
Well is a goo chance to open the contact list and offer Rural Region Lords position of power to they switch to Fane.

If that doesn't work save all the money you get, the income of the city of Oligarch for only 1 noble? you can buy a realm with it!


Sits in a chair and serves a cup with wine

This will be interesting to see..
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Fleugs on June 05, 2013, 11:25:07 PM
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Current General:      Marshal Constable Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore


 ???
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ironsides on June 05, 2013, 11:30:56 PM
...
Sits in a chair and serves a cup with wine
...

The thing that I am enjoying best about Fane so far, even though I am practically all by myself, is that every single day is the feeling of life and death. The game is so much more exciting because of it! It's one of those things where the wind and the sun feel so much more better if you know you might not have the chance to taste them tomorrow (or could potentially win everything).  And every single little gain is a monumental gain compared to the things that those mammoth realms earn. Sure they could squash me, but I have one new noble! One! Hallelujah!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxxajLWwzqY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxxajLWwzqY)

This is the finest moment of Armstrong's entire life, bar none. Comparing that to Bowie who's been all over Dwilight and has been up and down the hierarchies, that's saying a hell of a lot.

...Dumbledore as General

That's right! Take that East Continent, master wizard is top cop around Castle Fane.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Zakilevo on June 05, 2013, 11:32:15 PM
The thing that I am enjoying best about Fane so far, even though I am practically all by myself, is that every single day is the feeling of life and death. The game is so much more exciting because of it! It's one of those things where the wind and the sun feel so much more better if you know you might not have the chance to taste them tomorrow (or could potentially win everything).  And every single little gain is a monumental gain compared to the things that those mammoth realms earn. Sure they could squash me, but I have one new noble! One! Hallelujah!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxxajLWwzqY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxxajLWwzqY)

This is the finest moment of Armstrong's entire life, bar none. Comparing that to Bowie who's been all over Dwilight and has been up and down the hierarchies, that's saying a hell of a lot.

That's right! Take that East Continent, master wizard is top cop around Castle Fane.

Time to change Castle Fane to Hogwarts!
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Blue Star on June 06, 2013, 12:11:54 AM
Duchy of Hogwarts?
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Wolfsong on June 06, 2013, 03:52:14 AM
Duchy of Pigpox.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ketchum on June 06, 2013, 05:02:39 AM
Welcome to Hogwarts :)

Well is a goo chance to open the contact list and offer Rural Region Lords position of power to they switch to Fane.

If that doesn't work save all the money you get, the income of the city of Oligarch for only 1 noble? you can buy a realm with it!


Sits in a chair and serves a cup with wine

This will be interesting to see..
Good idea. I believe Oligarch city has lot of gold, Armstrong could have plan in advance for this.

About the titles.
Hey Dumbledore, you there! Since this Brock unwilling to give up his position. You like General/Marshal position aye? Let me work my magic spell to grant you your wish 8)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Karlaek on June 07, 2013, 06:36:03 AM
Well I have just aligned myself with the glory of Fane!  And my name is Potter in real life, does that count for anything?
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Foxglove on June 07, 2013, 07:47:09 AM
Three whole nobles now. Woah. It's a runaway train!
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Terises Jr. on June 07, 2013, 11:16:16 AM
Three whole nobles now. Woah. It's a runaway train!

Should be 4 noble after 2 day..
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: T Strike on June 07, 2013, 01:40:02 PM
Soon it will be the most powerful on the continent.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Indirik on June 07, 2013, 03:00:51 PM
Wow, with four you can fill a whole realm council.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Revan on June 07, 2013, 06:38:50 PM
I'd say that was pretty good given that it appears impossible to create any new characters in Fane at present. Is that intended behaviour? I miss the days when you could hear of some outrageous secession somewhere and immediately throw a character into the mix :-(
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ironsides on June 07, 2013, 10:18:19 PM
I'd say that was pretty good given that it appears impossible to create any new characters in Fane at present. Is that intended behaviour? I miss the days when you could hear of some outrageous secession somewhere and immediately throw a character into the mix :-(

That's weird. Bug?
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Indirik on June 07, 2013, 10:46:31 PM
I believe there is a short cooling down period following the creation of a new realm before you can make new characters in it. The changing of allegiance of existing characters is not restricted.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Terises Jr. on June 11, 2013, 03:19:33 AM
Noble Leaves the Realm (50
minutes ago)
message to all nobles of Nivemus
Stella' Telmes Terises has left
your realm and joined the realm
of Fane instead.

Just join Fane.. Sorry Nivemus.. :)  you will lost more noble after this..
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Karlaek on June 11, 2013, 04:37:20 AM
All aboard the Fane train!
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Zakilevo on June 11, 2013, 05:28:28 AM
All aboard the Fane train!

The train which will be derailed rather soon!
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ketchum on June 11, 2013, 05:38:46 AM
Noble Leaves the Realm (50
minutes ago)
message to all nobles of Nivemus
Stella' Telmes Terises has left
your realm and joined the realm
of Fane instead.

Just join Fane.. Sorry Nivemus.. :)  you will lost more noble after this..
Nono... We have incentive for you, lordship, do you want it, name it. Dont leave just yet :P
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Turner on June 11, 2013, 05:56:14 AM
The train which will be derailed rather soon!

No doubt by Sirion :P
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Terises Jr. on June 11, 2013, 06:05:35 AM
Nono... We have incentive for you, lordship, do you want it, name it. Dont leave just yet :P

Haha.. Lordship, have to fight with other 20 noble.. But, I will take oberndorf B-).. 
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Terises Jr. on June 11, 2013, 06:08:12 AM
No doubt by Sirion :P
Must be fun! Militia vs Sirion Army..
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Karlaek on June 11, 2013, 06:41:49 AM
I just figure maybe Sirion won't attack us if I believe hard enough.  :D
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ironsides on June 11, 2013, 08:13:13 AM

Darn, Oberndorf is so close. Soooo closseee, I can taste it. (And I mean that literally and figuratively, Oligarch has many mouths to feed and we want Oberndorf's food!!!)

 :-*
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ketchum on June 11, 2013, 09:00:01 AM
Haha.. Lordship, have to fight with other 20 noble.. But, I will take oberndorf B-)..
Young Padawan, you are so ambitious. Dark Lord will consume you if you continue walk down this path. "Patience you must have my young padawan"  ;D

Agree, I see your point 8)

Darn, Oberndorf is so close. Soooo closseee, I can taste it. (And I mean that literally and figuratively, Oligarch has many mouths to feed and we want Oberndorf's food!!!)

 :-*
That is only phase one ::)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Zakilevo on June 11, 2013, 07:19:06 PM
Oh. Fane was TOing Oberndorf?
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Indirik on June 11, 2013, 08:23:26 PM
Weren't they supposed to be a one-region city state?
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Zakilevo on June 11, 2013, 08:25:41 PM
Weren't they supposed to be a one-region city state?

I think they've realized they cannot survive without food ;)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Indirik on June 11, 2013, 08:26:05 PM
Doh!
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Hinamoto on June 11, 2013, 08:27:06 PM
Thought the "eat each other" feature was already impemented. cough* cough*
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ironsides on June 11, 2013, 10:49:06 PM
Oh. Fane was TOing Oberndorf?

We tried to.
Weren't they supposed to be a one-region city state?

We are, Oberndorf would have been a luxury :)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Feylonis on June 12, 2013, 05:51:39 AM
Sirion's ultimate goal for the war against Westmoor was to retake Oligarch. Fane is being naive if it thinks it can keep Sirion out.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Turner on June 12, 2013, 06:06:10 AM
Sirion's ultimate goal for the war against Westmoor was to retake Oligarch. Fane is being naive if it thinks it can keep Sirion out.

As if Sirion isnt greedy enough :P

I'd like to know how they expect to maintain Oligarch with the distance factor from the capital. No doubt they are experiencing it with Evora and Greatbridge.

You know the old saying, don't bite off more than you can chew ;)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Vita` on June 12, 2013, 06:24:18 AM
Sirion has owned Oligarch before.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Zakilevo on June 12, 2013, 06:39:59 AM
Sirion is just trying to reclaim their lost lands ;)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: T Strike on June 12, 2013, 07:17:58 PM
You mean the ones that belonged to Oligarch (realm)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Zakilevo on June 12, 2013, 07:22:46 PM
You mean the ones that belonged to Oligarch (realm)

Well we conquered them so all their lands belong to us! ;)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Draco Tanos on June 12, 2013, 09:04:02 PM
Sirion has owned Oligarch before.
Yes, and Westmoor has owned Commonyr, Krimml, and Oberndorf before.  Funny enough, Sirion says we don't have claims.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on June 12, 2013, 10:33:16 PM
Who care with Westmorian claims? Commonyr and Krimml belongs to Avamar until now and if you don't have forces enough to take it, claims are useless.

Sirion will take Oligarch very soon to finish with Armstrong's dreams to keep the city for himself. Erik want to be the first one to be Duke over three cities.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Turner on June 13, 2013, 01:35:44 AM
Who care with Westmorian claims? Commonyr and Krimml belongs to Avamar until now and if you don't have forces enough to take it, claims are useless.

Sirion will take Oligarch very soon to finish with Armstrong's dreams to keep the city for himself. Erik want to be the first one to be Duke over three cities.

Same thing can be said, who cares what Sirion claims?

Sirion has claims, Westmoor has claims.

Sirion is a bully, they like to think that they can treat those smaller than themselves like dirt and do as they please. Sirion should also be mindful of how they treat others because sooner or later it will come back to bite them on the derriere ;)

Erik's ambitions never cease to amaze me :P
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Feylonis on June 13, 2013, 01:48:22 AM
Claims don't matter, the ability to act upon them does.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Draco Tanos on June 13, 2013, 01:59:13 AM
Claims don't matter, the ability to act upon them does.
How very ignoble of you.  Claims of all sorts do, in fact, matter to the nobility.  It is why even distant cousins were sometimes hunted down.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Zakilevo on June 13, 2013, 03:16:30 AM
Uh... we were just attacking a realm closest to us and it just happened to be Westmoor. After all, this game is designed to attack your neighbours and the only non-Sirionite ally happened to be Westmoor.

With a new king, maybe we can change that ;) Who knows. Also, once this war ends, Zakilevo will be retiring so that could change things as well. Maybe the next prime minister won't be as aggressive as Zakilevo.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Chaotrance13 on June 13, 2013, 03:22:18 AM
Uh... we were just attacking a realm closest to us and it just happened to be Westmoor. After all, this game is designed to attack your neighbours and the only non-Sirionite ally happened to be Westmoor.

With a new king, maybe we can change that ;) Who knows. Also, once this war ends, Zakilevo will be retiring so that could change things as well. Maybe the next prime minister won't be as aggressive as Zakilevo.

Or if it's Erik Eyolf again, maybe he will. :P
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Sacha on June 13, 2013, 04:08:48 AM
How very ignoble of you.  Claims of all sorts do, in fact, matter to the nobility.  It is why even distant cousins were sometimes hunted down.

Reminds me of something Pompey Magnus said to a city that objected against being attacked claiming it was against the law.

"Cease quoting the law, we carry weapons!"
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Zakilevo on June 13, 2013, 04:11:16 AM
Reminds me of something Pompey Magnus said to a city that objected against being attacked claiming it was against the law.

"Cease quoting the law, we carry weapons!"

WEAPON IS THE LAW!
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Turner on June 13, 2013, 04:27:18 AM
Uh... we were just attacking a realm closest to us and it just happened to be Westmoor. After all, this game is designed to attack your neighbours and the only non-Sirionite ally happened to be Westmoor.

With a new king, maybe we can change that ;) Who knows. Also, once this war ends, Zakilevo will be retiring so that could change things as well. Maybe the next prime minister won't be as aggressive as Zakilevo.

Funny how Zakilevo seems to only be in office when Sirion is attacking Westmoor ;)

Retiring again? He reminds me of Federal Court judges who constantly get pulled out of retirement to handle difficult cases :P
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Zakilevo on June 13, 2013, 04:33:53 AM
Funny how Zakilevo seems to only be in office when Sirion is attacking Westmoor ;)
No one got the balls to attack Westmoor but Zakilevo ;)

Retiring again? He reminds me of Federal Court judges who constantly get pulled out of retirement to handle difficult cases :P
This time for sure. The first time he retired, he retired to join Dunnera. The second time, due to my parents' separation so an ooc issue. This time though, is more permanent. Quite tired of trying to keep things going all the time. Time for someone else to do the job.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ketchum on June 13, 2013, 04:58:43 AM
No one got the balls to attack Westmoor but Zakilevo ;)
This time for sure. The first time he retired, he retired to join Dunnera. The second time, due to my parents' separation so an ooc issue. This time though, is more permanent. Quite tired of trying to keep things going all the time. Time for someone else to do the job.
Oh no, Zaki is retiring. Who going be Brock new best friend? One of his best friend was killed by Westmoor in battle, mind you :(

Let get back to Fane. Anyone want bet on odds how long Fane will last? Or who is the shortest timespan realm in BM history? Five gold piece anyone? 8)

By the way, Fane has 4 nobles, enough for 1 realm council fill up.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on June 13, 2013, 05:49:56 AM
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Sirion is a bully, they like to think that they can treat those smaller than themselves like dirt and do as they please. Sirion should also be mindful of how they treat others because sooner or later it will come back to bite them on the derriere ;)

Smaller? Sirion fought for a long time before Erik and along Erik in the Great War, when we faced many enemies. Perdan was at our doors some time ago... well, they were almost becoming a problem again with Westmoor and OI. But the tides of war blew back in our favor because of our political and military powers. We are strong and we are smart. Well... we hate Westmoor. Knowing Sirion and considering the common judgment about us always being the bully (in your words), anyone would consider that Sirion would want Oligarch.

I'm amazed at how people forget that Perdan and Westmoor were ready to enforce the most outrageous terms to us, wanting to erect new realms and wanting to see Erik exiled. Unfortunately for you, Westmoor lost and we want to see Jor stripped of all his supposed power. Or you want to see your Church burned like we did with the Flow?

Quote
Erik's ambitions never cease to amaze me :P

Fortunately, people will see much more of his ambitions. He's a conqueror and at some point, he will destroy Westmoor and OI... at least the peninsula. Many kingdoms still need to know the Silver Legion  8)

Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Turner on June 13, 2013, 06:27:55 AM
Smaller? Sirion fought for a long time before Erik and along Erik in the Great War, when we faced many enemies. Perdan was at our doors some time ago... well, they were almost becoming a problem again with Westmoor and OI. But the tides of war blew back in our favor because of our political and military powers. We are strong and we are smart. Well... we hate Westmoor. Knowing Sirion and considering the common judgment about us always being the bully (in your words), anyone would consider that Sirion would want Oligarch.

I'm amazed at how people forget that Perdan and Westmoor were ready to enforce the most outrageous terms to us, wanting to erect new realms and wanting to see Erik exiled. Unfortunately for you, Westmoor lost and we want to see Jor stripped of all his supposed power. Or you want to see your Church burned like we did with the Flow?

Fortunately, people will see much more of his ambitions. He's a conqueror and at some point, he will destroy Westmoor and OI... at least the peninsula. Many kingdoms still need to know the Silver Legion  8)

Ermm no. Its not because Sirion is strong and smart. More like OOC circumstances that merely gave you an IC advantage. had the multi scandal not hit in OI with Shady, I think things would be different now. OI and Westmoor were doing quite well on their own up until that point. Secondly you as in Sirion did not burn the Flow. That was Perdan and Caligus and also Westmoor when we were at war with Fontan.

Thats ok, Erik is welcome to believe that he will destroy Westmoor, because my character will believe he can work towards destroying Sirion and all the vile, evil and inhuman traits it stands for ;)

Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Foxglove on June 13, 2013, 07:19:48 AM
Anyyyhooo, back to Fane  ;)

IC, Thomas isn't exactly ecstatic about having the capital of a rebel realm two regions away from his capital city.

OOC, I can see many benefits in Fane continuing to exist. Speaking as a player, I don't really see what will be added to the game by Sirion destroying Fane, beyond Sirion saying, "Woo-hoo, we got another chunk of land". It's painfully obvious that Sirion is already too big. They only have loose control over Commonyr much of the time, even though the regional lord (lady in that case) spends most of her time there. They're getting close to the point where the realm's going to have to split.

It's fairly clear that the next big war is going to have to be either Sirion vs Perdan, or Sirion vs Caligus. Once either Perdan or Caligus wins the southern war, there won't be anyone else big enough for them to bother fighting except Sirion. The same applies to Sirion in the north - the only realms for them to fight will be either Perdan or Caligus. Sirion and Caligus vs Armonia and Eponllyn is a possibility, but it would mostly be a long-range war. But Perdan currently seems to be making mince-meat out of the south.

Allowing Fane to exist will create a more interesting dynamic in the north, and is no threat to Sirion because it's too small. There would also be the potential for Sirion to possibly gain and cultivate Fane as an ally, depending on the approach they took. On the other hand, Sirion can't gain much more land before all of the realms on the continent see them as the greatest threat and someone initiates another mass war against them. Bad news for Sirion, especially because they've been losing nobles.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Zakilevo on June 13, 2013, 07:28:07 AM
IC - Zakilevo wants Fane gone. Oligarch is a long lost city for Sirion. It once belonged to Sirion's most famous prime minister, Doc Primus. Retaking the city, the prize Sirion earned by defeating the realm of Oligarch which once threatened Sirion greatly, means Sirion will finally restore their former borderline before the great northern war. The restoration of the republic will be complete with Oligarch :)

OoC - I was always a big supporter of more realms. It is boring and uninteresting to have big realms. Sirion obviously is becoming too big and occupying one quarter of the continent may sounds good but it does nothing but bring more enemies. I hope Sirion makes another realm or something once Zakilevo retires.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ironsides on June 13, 2013, 07:47:47 AM

IC - Armstrong won't give up Oligarch without a spectacular battle.

OOC - I want a spectacular battle.

But - what if Krimml and friends were to join Fane to create a new satellite between Sirion and the south, one neutral and awesome to boot?
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on June 13, 2013, 08:31:06 AM
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More like OOC circumstances that merely gave you an IC advantage. had the multi scandal not hit in OI with Shady, I think things would be different now.

I have to disagree. We had no advantages, in truth, OI had a great advantage with multies...until now. I'm convinced that we would have won anyway with Perdan busy in the south. Maybe we would need a little more time, just it.

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Secondly you as in Sirion did not burn the Flow. That was Perdan and Caligus and also Westmoor when we were at war with Fontan.

Erik did his part, even hanging a Priest. Dürion looted, burned and closed some temples too. He took Negev and burned it to the ground.

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But - what if Krimml and friends were to join Fane to create a new satellite between Sirion and the south, one neutral and awesome to boot?

Because Sirion can build another satellite realm by itself if we cannot grow anymore. After all, anyone who abandons his realm to join a traitor becomes a traitor and this will only make we fight a little more.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Atanamir on June 13, 2013, 11:19:24 AM
IC - Zakilevo wants Fane gone. Oligarch is a long lost city for Sirion. It once belonged to Sirion's most famous prime minister, Doc Primus. Retaking the city, the prize Sirion earned by defeating the realm of Oligarch which once threatened Sirion greatly, means Sirion will finally restore their former borderline before the great northern war. The restoration of the republic will be complete with Oligarch :)

OoC - I was always a big supporter of more realms. It is boring and uninteresting to have big realms. Sirion obviously is becoming too big and occupying one quarter of the continent may sounds good but it does nothing but bring more enemies. I hope Sirion makes another realm or something once Zakilevo retires.

If you play the Doc card, will you follow then as well his idea again to split afterwards into the United States of Sirion again: Sirion, East Sirion, West Sirion (and Eleador)?  ;)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Atanamir on June 13, 2013, 11:38:19 AM
I'm amazed at how people forget that Perdan and Westmoor were ready to enforce the most outrageous terms to us, wanting to erect new realms and wanting to see Erik exiled. Unfortunately for you, Westmoor lost and we want to see Jor stripped of all his supposed power. Or you want to see your Church burned like we did with the Flow?

Eduardo, which Perdan King wanted that Erik gets exiled? I can't remember these terms, but maybe I was in Sirion back then... ;D
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Indirik on June 13, 2013, 03:46:22 PM
OOC, I can see many benefits in Fane continuing to exist. Speaking as a player, I don't really see what will be added to the game by Sirion destroying Fane, beyond Sirion saying, "Woo-hoo, we got another chunk of land". It's painfully obvious that Sirion is already too big. They only have loose control over Commonyr much of the time, even though the regional lord (lady in that case) spends most of her time there. They're getting close to the point where the realm's going to have to split.
Sirion has held it before. I do't see why they couldn't again. They may not get much taxes out of it, but it's not all about taxes.

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It's fairly clear that the next big war is going to have to be either Sirion vs Perdan, or Sirion vs Caligus. Once either Perdan or Caligus wins the southern war, there won't be anyone else big enough for them to bother fighting except Sirion. The same applies to Sirion in the north - the only realms for them to fight will be either Perdan or Caligus.
Sirion v. Perdan would be a boring war. To start with, Westmoor is in the middle. Makes life difficult for Westmoor, for however long they would last before becoming roadkill. After that... boredom would set in. Perdan couldn't break through Sirion's Maginot Line, and Sirion wouldn't really be able to hurt Perdan at all, due to the choke point in Bescanon.

Sirion v. Caligus... Another boring war, because Caligus would get reamed. Don't get me wrong, Caligus is pretty scrappy, and can put up a good fight. But they're just not in Sirion's league.


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Sirion and Caligus vs Armonia and Eponllyn is a possibility, but it would mostly be a long-range war.
That..... is not even remotely possible.

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But Perdan currently seems to be making mince-meat out of the south.
Aye, Perdan is doing quite well for themselves. Mostly due to the complete lack of coordination on the part of the allied forces.

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Allowing Fane to exist will create a more interesting dynamic in the north, and is no threat to Sirion because it's too small. There would also be the potential for Sirion to possibly gain and cultivate Fane as an ally, depending on the approach they took.
If they're too small to be a threat, then what good are they as an ally? Essentially, anything that makes someone a good ally, also makes them a dangerous threat.

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On the other hand, Sirion can't gain much more land before all of the realms on the continent see them as the greatest threat and someone initiates another mass war against them. Bad news for Sirion, especially because they've been losing nobles.
Sounds like a good reason for Sirion to take Oligarch, then! :D
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Foxglove on June 13, 2013, 05:49:46 PM
Sirion has held it before. I do't see why they couldn't again. They may not get much taxes out of it, but it's not all about taxes.

That was long before the Big Update. They don't have great control over their western border regions. The stats in both Commonyr and Krimml can start to go south if the lords aren't in the regions much. To an extent, Oligarch is about the taxes. If you're not getting anything out of the city, running taxes at a low percentage to keep control, and don't have the knights to populate estates, what's the point? Just seeing how far you can spread the Red Blob of Death across the map before they implode? *Yawn*

Sirion v. Perdan would be a boring war.

Sirion v. Caligus... Another boring war

So what are the alternatives for Sirion? Sirion and the strongest survivor of the Perdan/Caligus scrap running seperate wars wailing on much smaller realms? Nivemus vs Sirion isn't going to happen. In the event of a Perdanese defeat in the south, Caligus and Eponllyn vs Armonia might happen, and Sirion might get bored enough of sitting on the sidelines to chip in.

That..... is not even remotely possible
Erm... yes, it is. Although it is remote, it would just need a few changes in the political leaders (not specifically the rulers). But it would need Eponllyn to survive the current war, which I'll grant looks highly unlikely.

If they're too small to be a threat, then what good are they as an ally? Essentially, anything that makes someone a good ally, also makes them a dangerous threat

Short-term thinking. If Fane survives, it would eventually grow. It could do that and still remain as a city state. From the player's perspective, Fane existing is much more interesting than Sirion finding it has to split and then creating another puppet realm. It's essentially whether Sirion wants to take a chance on allowing something interesting to happen rather than playing it safe as usual. Yeah, Fane might become an enemy and a threat, but so what? It gives Sirion someone to fight. Sirion's big problem is that they've systematically blocked the growth of any realm that could become a decent opponent, resulting in their only options for decent future wars being Sirion vs Perdan, or Sirion vs Caligus, or Caligus/Sirion vs Perdan.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on June 13, 2013, 06:11:40 PM
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If Fane survives, it would eventually grow...

Fane will not have time to grow. We can always think about the future with the foundation of new realms, not just from Sirion, but in the south as well.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Foxglove on June 13, 2013, 06:20:13 PM
Fane will not have time to grow. We can always think about the future with the foundation of new realms

Sirion's big problem is that they've systematically blocked the growth of any realm that could become a decent opponent

Another puppet realm, then.  ::)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on June 13, 2013, 06:27:39 PM
Puppet realm...  ::)

Westmoor is a puppet realm of Perdan!? Oh, wait... yes. however, a new realm coming from Sirion can conquerer a good amount of lands to become a strong "puppet realm". You know... we use "puppet realms" to offend our enemies... among us we call "brother realms"  ;D

I'm just contesting the idea and hope to see Fane in this situation. They would have to grow over Westmoor and then I believe you will want to see Sirion with Oligarch instead Armstrong as your new King.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Foxglove on June 13, 2013, 06:54:27 PM
Seeing Westmoor as a puppet realm of Perdan is a fundamental misunderstanding of the political history between the two realms. The same goes for the Perdan/Obsidian Islands relationship too. I'm not saying that Nivemus, or any other realm Sirion might found, might not become a future opponent for Sirion, but it won't happen for years because they have to be populated with Sirionite loyalists to get them off the landing pad.

The line about Sirion calling its puppets "brother realms" is a funny one. It reminds me of that scene from Blackadder Goes Forth discussing German and British spies:

British General: "German spies... filthy lot, all of them."

British Captain: "We have spies too, Sir."

British General: "Ah, stout-hearted, brave fellows. Risking all for King and country."

I'm just contesting the idea and hope to see Fane in this situation. They would have to grow over Westmoor and then I believe you will want to see Sirion with Oligarch instead Armstrong as your new King.

As a player, I'd be willing to roll those dice and take a gamble to allow something interesting to happen in the hope that it would restore some fun to the north. However, you're just backing up the original point I made by saying that Fane would expand over Westmoor, instead of over Nivemus, for example. It just reinforces what I said about Sirion blocking the growth of any realm that might become a decent opponent. To a certain extent, it'll be Sirion that suffers from that because you'll eventually have no-one left to fight without treking the full length of the continent.

Mind you, it might just be that I think Fane's realm crest is just too cool to disappear. If Fane gets wiped out, I hope Ironsides gets the chance to reuse it somewhere in the game.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Zakilevo on June 13, 2013, 07:03:13 PM
OoCly, I wouldn't mind new realms growing to become a decent opponent. But ICly, it is my character's job to limit the potential danger to minimum. Any sane realm would try to keep their enemies down before they actually become a problem.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Indirik on June 13, 2013, 07:44:24 PM
To an extent, Oligarch is about the taxes. If you're not getting anything out of the city, running taxes at a low percentage to keep control, and don't have the knights to populate estates, what's the point?
ePeen. If they have it, you don't, and they gloat over that fact.

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So what are the alternatives for Sirion?
Dunno. But I've seen the Perdan/Sirion thing before. You have to get the realms in between involved, or you can't have a war. But we've done Sirion/Fontan v. Perdan thing. If it weren't for Ibby/Ito gobbling up Perdan from behind, we could have held them off indefinitely. But Sirion won't have that, unless they convert Westmoor over to their side. Not gonna happen. (Westmoor may not be a Perdanese puppet, but unless you have some *serious* realm turnover, you're not going to turn them against Perdan.)

We've also seen Everyone v. Sirion. That didn't go anywhere.

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Sirion and the strongest survivor of the Perdan/Caligus scrap running seperate wars wailing on much smaller realms?
IAIHAC.

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In the event of a Perdanese defeat in the south, Caligus and Eponllyn vs Armonia might happen, and Sirion might get bored enough of sitting on the sidelines to chip in.
Sirion is a staunch ally of Caligus. What will you do to break them apart?

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Erm... yes, it is. Although it is remote, it would just need a few changes in the political leaders (not specifically the rulers). But it would need Eponllyn to survive the current war, which I'll grant looks highly unlikely.
*Anything* could happen if you start changing out leaders. But that's really not worth speculating on, unless you have plots in the works to actually remove those leaders. (And if you do, you won't be talking about them here.)

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Short-term thinking.
In a way, yes, it is. But if you want Sirion to let Fane survive, then you have to give them a reason. "Let them live, and maybe they will eventually grow large enough to want to fight you" is hardly a compelling IC argument to allow them to live. The formation of Fane is an insult to Sirion. I can understand perfectly, IC, why they wouldn't want to let it survive.

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Sirion's big problem is that they've systematically blocked the growth of any realm that could become a decent opponent,
Really? Who have they oppressed? I would be interested to see this list.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on June 13, 2013, 07:45:44 PM
OoCly, I wouldn't mind new realms growing to become a decent opponent. But ICly, it is my character's job to limit the potential danger to minimum. Any sane realm would try to keep their enemies down before they actually become a problem.

Honestly, it's this kind of stuff that ticks me off the most. "OOC I want something to happen, but IC my character doesn't, so I won't let something happen." If you want something to happen OOC, but can't do it for some IC reason, pause your character right then. If your character is keeping you from having fun, then please... PLEASE distance yourself from those constraints.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Indirik on June 13, 2013, 08:01:03 PM
Seeing Westmoor as a puppet realm of Perdan is a fundamental misunderstanding of the political history between the two realms. The same goes for the Perdan/Obsidian Islands relationship too. I'm not saying that Nivemus, or any other realm Sirion might found, might not become a future opponent for Sirion, but it won't happen for years because they have to be populated with Sirionite loyalists to get them off the landing pad.
What you are describing is exactly what happened when Perdan created Westmoor. It was founded with Perdan (and Caligus, but mostly Perdan) loyalists. It was a staunch Perdan ally for a LONG time. It *has* been RL years since the founding of the realm (almost 5 RL years now), and they are still strong allies of Perdan. From the outside, you have to admit that this strong and immutable relationship sure looks like it could be a puppet realm.

As for Obsidian Islands.... No one gave a damn about the islands. It's a craphole. The entire island chain wasn't worth anyone bothering to make a puppet out of, until they got their hands on some mainland real estate. The most useful thing the islands ever did was provide a realm for someone to overthrow (i.e. the Kalmar Islands) so that Perdan, Itorunt, and Old Rancagua could send troops to beat the crap out of them and create the Obsidian Islands. After we wiped out KI and recreated the realm as OI, we ignored them. They just weren't worth the effort.

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To a certain extent, it'll be Sirion that suffers from that because you'll eventually have no-one left to fight without treking the full length of the continent.
Oh, seeing Sirion collapse from boredom wouldn't break my heart too much. In fact, I might just hoist a frosty beverage in salute.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Zakilevo on June 13, 2013, 08:03:36 PM
Oh, seeing Sirion collapse from boredom wouldn't break my heart too much. In fact, I might just hoist a frosty beverage in salute.

Same. I have no sympathy for boring realms. They should die.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on June 13, 2013, 10:08:38 PM
Maybe there is a general thinking that Sirion will eventually conquer the East Continent, leaving it infertile for new wars. We can collapse because of it -- or simply require more coordination of our enemies. Also, many new realms can grow from collapsed realms.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Turner on June 14, 2013, 02:58:16 AM
What you are describing is exactly what happened when Perdan created Westmoor. It was founded with Perdan (and Caligus, but mostly Perdan) loyalists. It was a staunch Perdan ally for a LONG time. It *has* been RL years since the founding of the realm (almost 5 RL years now), and they are still strong allies of Perdan. From the outside, you have to admit that this strong and immutable relationship sure looks like it could be a puppet realm.

As for Obsidian Islands.... No one gave a damn about the islands. It's a craphole. The entire island chain wasn't worth anyone bothering to make a puppet out of, until they got their hands on some mainland real estate. The most useful thing the islands ever did was provide a realm for someone to overthrow (i.e. the Kalmar Islands) so that Perdan, Itorunt, and Old Rancagua could send troops to beat the crap out of them and create the Obsidian Islands. After we wiped out KI and recreated the realm as OI, we ignored them. They just weren't worth the effort.
Oh, seeing Sirion collapse from boredom wouldn't break my heart too much. In fact, I might just hoist a frosty beverage in salute.

Speaking from my characters efforts as the Ambassador for Westmoor and working closely with all the monarchs to date, Westmoor hasnt had much choice in that regard. Sirion doesnt want to be friends with Westmoor, neither does Nivemus. Caligus is happy to maintain peaceful relations with us, but all efforts thus far have proven futile in advancing relations. My character is of the view that we acknowledge our ties to Perdan and would like to maintain good relations with them, but not at the detriment to Westmoors future and prosperity. During the current wars, my character has even questioned our alliance with them. Perdan started the war in the North, then leaves Westmoor to rot to tend to matters in the South. He feels that Perdan started this mess and has now left Westmoor out to dry at the mercy of superior numbers from Sirion. Perdan doesnt seem to care about our fate, what kind of ally is that? From that point, its not hard to see Westmoor is not a blind puppet If you actually understand what is going on within Westmoor.

Perdan and OI to a point, have been the only ones really to provide any sort of support and commitment to Westmoor. My character left the door open for Sirion to change that, but during the previous war when my character was disucssing peace with Zakilevo, it was made clear that Sirion had no desire to improve relations with Westmoor, especially while we were friends with Perdan.

So really, at the end of the day, Westmoor currently doesnt have much choice.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Indirik on June 14, 2013, 04:36:15 AM
Speaking from my characters efforts as the Ambassador for Westmoor and working closely with all the monarchs to date, Westmoor hasnt had much choice in that regard. Sirion doesnt want to be friends with Westmoor, neither does Nivemus. Caligus is happy to maintain peaceful relations with us, but all efforts thus far have proven futile in advancing relations. My character is of the view that we acknowledge our ties to Perdan and would like to maintain good relations with them, but not at the detriment to Westmoors future and prosperity.
I'm definitely not making the claim that Westmoor is a Perdanese puppet. Yet I can easily see how other realms might see it so. Any realm that splits from another, and doesn't end up at war with the parent, is always viewed by the parent's realm as a puppet realm. It was the same way with Fontan and the Sultanate of Asena. Sirion and Nivemus. Ibladesh and the Diocese of Aix (except that in that case it really was a puppet/master relationship ;) ) You can't escape the accusations, so I mostly ignore them.

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During the current wars, my character has even questioned our alliance with them. Perdan started the war in the North, then leaves Westmoor to rot to tend to matters in the South. He feels that Perdan started this mess and has now left Westmoor out to dry at the mercy of superior numbers from Sirion. Perdan doesnt seem to care about our fate, what kind of ally is that? From that point, its not hard to see Westmoor is not a blind puppet If you actually understand what is going on within Westmoor.
Relationships between Perdan and Westmoor have been rocky in the past. At one point Westmoor demanded Bescanon from Perdan, under threat of war. That particular ruler ended up not lasting very long.

Anyway, it's good to see a nice little wedge in there. Eponllyn's sacrifice will not be for naught!

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So really, at the end of the day, Westmoor currently doesnt have much choice.
Sometimes, that is truly the case.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Atanamir on June 14, 2013, 09:50:47 AM
My character is of the view that we acknowledge our ties to Perdan and would like to maintain good relations with them, but not at the detriment to Westmoors future and prosperity. During the current wars, my character has even questioned our alliance with them. Perdan started the war in the North, then leaves Westmoor to rot to tend to matters in the South. He feels that Perdan started this mess and has now left Westmoor out to dry at the mercy of superior numbers from Sirion. Perdan doesnt seem to care about our fate, what kind of ally is that? From that point, its not hard to see Westmoor is not a blind puppet If you actually understand what is going on within Westmoor.

What you forget is that Nivemus and Sirion were making war plans against Westmoor for months. The plan of Perdan was to a) start the war before they attack Westmoor and b) bring the war to Nivemus lands before Westmoor's lands would be destroyed. A classic preemptive strike in order to catch the enemy off guard and have the own ressources undamaged. The RP reason to start the war was quickly found when Atanamir ascended the throne in Perdan. Plan also worked well (Nivemus got seriously damaged), till Caligus/Eponllyn (and Armonia) fell into Perdan's back in order to satisfy their own greed. So, next time, Perdan just should sit and wait till Sirion/Nivemus attack Westmoor and start to rogue their lands? No problem in that, then we (as Perdan, not Westmoor) would be also not there where we are now.

But actually you should all thank Atanamir for breaking up that long peace period. ;)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Sonya on June 18, 2013, 04:33:54 PM
This Commentary, from a Political Editor Point of View

I am interested to know what is Sirion thinking, it has been proved that Nivemus's Military is weak, to no say ineffective. Sirion need more allies, either they hold hands with Westmoor, or feed Fane Westmoor's regions to make it grow. 

Sirion have to forget the idea of "we have terrain advantage and we are supreme" because they had doubts when Perdan was marching with Westmoor and (can't believe i don't remember that realm name..... *40 second later*) Armonia. Sirion have to wake up from that boredom because Caligus have bad news for them.

God knows what could happens, but if Perdan Falls, Caligus block will control half of the continent, creating on Perdan a new colony, that Perdan surrenders and force by treaty to no fight, or last but not least, a Duke secede and create a new realm, but don't worry about that one, it only happens on Atamara.

As i said at the beginning, does Sirion have a plan, but as to me they look like these people who increase weight and get fat, and then they get vascular problem, or couldn't defend himself because he never worried about making exercise. (Making reference to their land area).

Sirion, stop eating and Think, because Avamar will Burn!

PS
I go get the torches....
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Atanamir on June 18, 2013, 04:46:55 PM
This Commentary, from a Political Editor Point of View

I am interested to know what is Sirion thinking, it has been proved that Nivemus's Military is weak, to no say ineffective. Sirion need more allies, either they hold hands with Westmoor, or feed Fane Westmoor's regions to make it grow. 

Sirion have to forget the idea of "we have terrain advantage and we are supreme" because they had doubts when Perdan was marching with Westmoor and (can't believe i don't remember that realm name..... *40 second later*) Armonia. Sirion have to wake up from that boredom because Caligus have bad news for them.

God knows what could happens, but if Perdan Falls, Caligus block will control half of the continent, creating on Perdan a new colony, that Perdan surrenders and force by treaty to no fight, or last but not least, a Duke secede and create a new realm, but don't worry about that one, it only happens on Atamara.

As i said at the beginning, does Sirion have a plan, but as to me they look like these people who increase weight and get fat, and then they get vascular problem, or couldn't defend himself because he never worried about making exercise. (Making reference to their land area).

Sirion, stop eating and Think, because Avamar will Burn!

PS
I go get the torches....

+1 and I want to emphasize this commentary is not from a Perdanese or Westmoorian player! :D
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Hinamoto on June 18, 2013, 07:09:52 PM
Perhaps its not just a matter of greed or taking over regions but a matter of justice.  :o
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Lorgan on June 18, 2013, 07:11:31 PM
Nah, it's totally greed. But hey, that's fine!
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Hinamoto on June 18, 2013, 07:16:29 PM
You know? There was once a man who had like 110 years old and he looked like in his early 70's. A reporter went to his home to interview him and asked the old man

Interviewer: "How do you do to stay that young at your 110 years old?"

Old Man: " i avoid senseless discussions and stupid confrontations or argues"

Interviewer: "Thats impossible, there must be something else!!"

Old man: "Yes you are right, there must be something else"

So Lorgan... yes you are most surely right.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Lorgan on June 18, 2013, 07:17:51 PM
VICTORY! \o/
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Sacha on June 18, 2013, 09:46:04 PM
You know? There was once a man who had like 110 years old and he looked like in his early 70's. A reporter went to his home to interview him and asked the old man

Interviewer: "How do you do to stay that young at your 110 years old?"

Old Man: " i avoid senseless discussions and stupid confrontations or argues"

Interviewer: "Thats impossible, there must be something else!!"

Old man: "Yes you are right, there must be something else"

So Lorgan... yes you are most surely right.

Cheers!

Gregor Relak? :P
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Hinamoto on June 18, 2013, 09:47:53 PM
Gregor Relak? :P

OLOL that made me laugh really hahaha
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Frostwood on June 20, 2013, 01:14:44 AM
Time to join yet another ambitious leader.  This will be interesting.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Terises Jr. on June 20, 2013, 08:49:06 AM
War! (8 hours, 46 minutes ago)
Nivemus has declared war on us!

Nivemus not sirion.. FANE will win! And TO region of nivemus.. :)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Turner on June 20, 2013, 08:51:43 AM
I hope Fane takes Oberndorf and sacks Ashforth  ;D
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ketchum on June 20, 2013, 09:04:12 AM
A new war is breaking out   (5 minutes ago)

Sirion has declared war on Fane.

Nivemus declare too early. Fane, enjoy the last day on earth. Have anyone watch that movie? 8)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ironsides on June 20, 2013, 09:35:32 AM

A little bit of dramatic rhetoric, I-thank'you:

Quote
Letter from Armstrong Ironsides
Message sent to the Rulers of East Continent (8 recipients)

It is a privilege to receive a declaration of war from the power of the north. As a hero, I seek no better foe in combat than one with strength and skill better than I.

Prime Minister Zakilevo, you and your peers believed you could take Oligarch from Westmoor by battering them into submission. I spent a lifetime of duty and military service to earn Oligarch, did you think I would just give it away with the signing of some piece of paper? I earned this city with blood and steel and that is the only way I will grant its removal from my possession. It is the achievement of my life and I stake my life to keep it.

The battle to come will showcase Fane's fortitude and readiness. It will galvanize our glory and nobility, and will prove that Fane is the single greatest realm ever to stand on the East Continent. When knights and dames speak of valour they will think of Fane, not Sirion. When Marshals lead their forces into battle they will secretly fantasize that they are Faneian Marshals ordering the battle lines on the walls of Oligarch. When Kings and Queens sit on their thrones after decades of pomp their hearts will sag with the truth that their throne can never equal that of Fane. From the day Fane was born, all nobles wished they were here, in Oligarch, to face you. From these moments on, the name Fane will be synonymous with valour, with courage, with strength and willpower! It will be the highest glory a hero has ever acquired. Fane will become the measure of a noble. Just as the memory of a fallen hero inspires and captures the spirit of all braves, so to will the memory of Fane resound forevermore! And all of this we owe to you, the elves and their pet.

It is with gratitude, then, that I unsheath my sword and wait for you to try and mount my walls.

Glory be,

Armstrong Ironsides
King, Merchant Chief of Fane
Royal of Fane
Duke of Oligarch
Margrave of Oligarch

...Fane, enjoy the last day on earth...

Fane enjoyed every day on Earth  8)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Zakilevo on June 20, 2013, 10:00:09 AM
Fane enjoyed every day on Earth  8)

You mean on Battlemasterra? ;)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Atanamir on June 20, 2013, 10:35:11 AM
Strategywise, I am really curious to see that battle report.

RP-wise, I find it odd though that neither Nivemus or Sirion can obviously make a proper war declaration, according to Armstrong, and only he is talking on ruler channel actually.
Vessol since his election especially has never talked in ruler channel at all or?

EC has become just a moving of units... :/
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Turner on June 20, 2013, 12:28:32 PM
I am not at all surprised by this.

There was no IC declaration because there is no IC reason to go to war with the new found realm other than Sirionite greed for the city. I honestly don't think King Armstrong has even had time to cement any relations let alone pee anyone off for them to want to go to war with him.

I hope Fane can hold them off, only time will tell I guess.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Atanamir on June 20, 2013, 02:13:22 PM
I am not at all surprised by this.

There was no IC declaration because there is no IC reason to go to war with the new found realm other than Sirionite greed for the city. I honestly don't think King Armstrong has even had time to cement any relations let alone pee anyone off for them to want to go to war with him.

I hope Fane can hold them off, only time will tell I guess.

Sirion has the RP to claim Oligarch from any other realm.
I just find it odd when jusrt buttons get pushed and nothing else is done.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Atanamir on June 20, 2013, 02:56:45 PM
Back to this topic:

Akesh Temple has no walls as we speak. ;)
I was also very sad that after-battle talks or battle rps are not happening anymore so much.
Armonians are much more talkative! :D
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Hinamoto on June 20, 2013, 02:59:11 PM
Back to this topic:

Akesh Temple has no walls as we speak. ;)
I was also very sad that after-battle talks or battle rps are not happening anymore so much.
Armonians were much more talkative! :D

Isnt that a topic of other thread?  :o
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Atanamir on June 20, 2013, 03:00:06 PM
Isnt that a topic of other thread?  :o

Indeed, but I thought Fane thread would also die maybe at sunset, so I try to make a BTO here ;)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Anaris on June 20, 2013, 04:05:02 PM
This thread has been sanitized. Further attempts to bring up topics known to be off-limits will result in wrath.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Fleugs on June 20, 2013, 04:40:08 PM
I am not at all surprised by this.

There was no IC declaration because there is no IC reason to go to war with the new found realm other than Sirionite greed for the city. I honestly don't think King Armstrong has even had time to cement any relations let alone pee anyone off for them to want to go to war with him.

I hope Fane can hold them off, only time will tell I guess.

In what way is "greed" not valid as an IC reason? Greed is a perfect reason to go to war, you just need to spin around it if you don't have the superior force to back you up. Seeing as how Sirion, however, does have the superior force, I don't think anybody will question their motives.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Hinamoto on June 20, 2013, 04:47:04 PM
Why in earth would Sirion need to explain a war declaration against Fane? So every time your realm is losing you just secede 1 city and force the other realm to "create" a reason to war that new realm?

No one even asked if Armstrong Ironsides even wrote a letter to Zakilevo letting him know his plan of secede, that could have at least showed Sirion an honest intention of creating a realm separated from Westmoor, the way it happened Sirion can easily see Fane as an extension of Westmoor and war Fane for the same reasons Sirion was fighting Westmoor.

Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Foxglove on June 20, 2013, 04:59:16 PM
the way it happened Sirion can easily see Fane as an extension of Westmoor

No, they can't.

It's been made very clear in the ruler channel that King Thomas isn't at all happy with King Armstrong's actions. That Westmoor has no links to Fane has been made very clear in letters between the rulers of Westmoor and Sirion.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Hinamoto on June 20, 2013, 05:01:57 PM
And Sirion needs to sit down and believe it? Westmoor used all kind of lies and tricks in the past to join wars against Sirion why would Sirion believe Westmoor now?

Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Atanamir on June 20, 2013, 05:05:11 PM
Why in earth would Sirion need to explain a war declaration against Fane? So every time your realm is losing you just secede 1 city and force the other realm to "create" a reason to war that new realm?

No one even asked if Armstrong Ironsides even wrote a letter to Zakilevo letting him know his plan of secede, that could have at least showed Sirion an honest intention of creating a realm separated from Westmoor, the way it happened Sirion can easily see Fane as an extension of Westmoor and war Fane for the same reasons Sirion was fighting Westmoor.

Because after all, this is also an RP game. A declaration of war/peace/etc is good manners, but maybe that is my opinion only.
Sirion has perfect claim to take the city from any other realm due to the Doc card, that's fine, but for the game atmosphere, I think it is good when rulers of realms can forward something to their nobles, so nobles know what they attack or get attacked. Or for me as King of third realm to let my people know what happens. We are all here an elitary group who knows reasons from forum or because we played a while, but a new player who starts out has no idea why suddenly a hell of a force attacks they city suddenly or not. After all, a player starts out as noble, not as canon-fodder. :D
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Hinamoto on June 20, 2013, 05:10:29 PM
The fact that the creation of Fane wont stop the Sirion war machine was very well stated inside Sirion and everyone pretty much agreed. I find it weird that Sirion "needs" to make a full war declaration to the rulers or even to Fane itself because the very same reasons Sirion was fighting Westmoor is what applies for Fane, Armstrong knew very well that seceding wouldnt be exorting the new realm from war.

A war declaration wouldnt improve the RP atmosphere in my opinion but remark the obvious.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Foxglove on June 20, 2013, 05:13:04 PM
Westmoor used all kind of lies and tricks in the past to join wars against Sirion

Such as? You must be going a long way back in time there, because I've played in Westmoor for nearly 3 years and no such thing has happened in my time. Point of interest - within the last few years, Westmoor has never declared war against Sirion. It's always been the other way around.

I think it would have been nice to see official reasons for the declarations against Fane by Nivemus and Sirion. Obviously, we all know that Sirion wants the city, but it's always good to have some explanation of things. Even if it's just that they dislike Armstrong, or don't consider Fane to be a legally formed sovereign entity.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Atanamir on June 20, 2013, 05:13:23 PM
The fact that the creation of Fane wont stop the Sirion war machine was very well stated inside Sirion and everyone pretty much agreed. I find it weird that Sirion "needs" to make a full war declaration to the rulers or even to Fane itself because the very same reasons Sirion was fighting Westmoor is what applies for Fane, Armstrong knew very well that seceding wouldnt be exorting the new realm from war.

A war declaration wouldnt improve the RP atmosphere in my opinion but remark the obvious.

Cheers.

“A leader leads by example, not by force” .- Sun Tzu ;)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Hinamoto on June 20, 2013, 05:15:57 PM
Well first that comes in my mind is the imaginary kidnap of the Westmoorian king to declare war just to join Fontan and Sultanate of Asena. When in truth Westmoor had already made a deal with Fontan about the regions Fontan would give up when taking the Sirionite ones, making the kidnap a very lame invented excuse just to join the gangbang.

The fact that happened 3, 4 or 10 years ago doesnt remove it as a fact.

SIRION NEVER FORGETS!

Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Hinamoto on June 20, 2013, 05:18:45 PM
“A leader leads by example, not by force” .- Sun Tzu ;)

What does that has to do with my previous post?  :o
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Atanamir on June 20, 2013, 05:19:22 PM
Well first that comes in my mind is the imaginary kidnap of the Westmoorian king to declare war just to join Fontan and Sultanate of Asena. When in truth Westmoor had already made a deal with Fontan about the regions Fontan would give up when taking the Sirionite ones, making the kidnap a very lame invented excuse just to join the gangbang.

The fact that happened 3, 4 or 10 years ago doesnt remove it as a fact.

SIRION NEVER FORGETS!

It is good when people don't forget their RP. :)
That is how it should be.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Foxglove on June 20, 2013, 05:19:43 PM
So, something that happened about 4 years ago, before the time of most players now in the game. Fair enough. Your original comment made it sound like it was something that happened all the time.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Anaris on June 20, 2013, 05:20:45 PM
It is good when people don't forget their RP. :)
That is how it should be.

It's not good when people are still upset over perceived slights that happened 5+ RL years ago. Most players in the game haven't been here that long, so basing your foreign policy on events that old is just going to upset and confuse them.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Atanamir on June 20, 2013, 05:27:24 PM
It's not good when people are still upset over perceived slights that happened 5+ RL years ago. Most players in the game haven't been here that long, so basing your foreign policy on events that old is just going to upset and confuse them.

I agree to an extent.
In terms of foreign policy, usually it evolves itsself quickly enough to change within less than 5+ RL years many times.
In case of Sirion, well, it might be an exception, since Sirion was always put into the one defensive RP by its enemies, so I can understand them there.
It will be interesting to see what they do after they have achieved their goals...

In terms of personal RP, I believe that you need to remember everything you have RPed and abide by it.
You can't change your personal RP just because a newer player wasn't there to read it...10 others still were.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: vonGenf on June 20, 2013, 06:20:20 PM
It's not good when people are still upset over perceived slights that happened 5+ RL years ago. Most players in the game haven't been here that long, so basing your foreign policy on events that old is just going to upset and confuse them.

While that is true, there is also the "We have always been at war with Eurasia" mentality at play. Even if the actual perceived slight is from so long ago that few characters alive then actually remember it, the resulting dislike between realms can take deep roots. It would be bad RP to suddenly become friends with a realm you've hated since you were born, even if you have no other reason to hate them than because it was the cool thing to do where you're from.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Anaris on June 20, 2013, 06:24:04 PM
While that is true, there is also the "We have always been at war with Eurasia" mentality at play. Even if the actual perceived slight is from so long ago that few characters alive then actually remember it, the resulting dislike between realms can take deep roots. It would be bad RP to suddenly become friends with a realm you've hated since you were born, even if you have no other reason to hate them than because it was the cool thing to do where you're from.

Oh, sure. The problem isn't the general culture of dislike—it's when an event from so many years ago is brought up as a specific reason for doing something now, especially when that something is a change from the status quo.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ironsides on June 20, 2013, 09:05:18 PM
Nivemus and Sirion are in Oligarch, why no battle? Did they forget siege engines or something?
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Telrunya on June 20, 2013, 09:34:47 PM
Are they still approaching Oligarch?
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ironsides on June 20, 2013, 10:21:12 PM
Are they still approaching Oligarch?

Yep, that's the one! I scouted the city and everyone is still on route...uh, now we have to wait for next turn...
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on June 20, 2013, 11:45:20 PM
Sirion have a history and I believe most of our players knows very well why we are marching to war. Something we don't need to explain here in every detail just to please another players in a OOC level. Ignore the entire history of a realm because of new players is a complete non-sense. They have to learn, if they care, about the realm, its history and reasons to go to war. We have many old characters to teach them and I have more than 150 RPs with Erik that I will never forget just because new people want to dance holding hands. And surprise, they want to fight.

Sirion have many reasons to declare war. Historic reasons and new reasons as well. From our perspective, Armstrong is a traitor that want to hold the city for himself, not a King with intentions to grow (even if he had such reasons), then we don't need to respect his claims. And even if he had legitimate claims, the realm with more power, for any reason, including greed (pure and simple), usually gets what it wants. We have many things going on, we just don't need to tell it here like the villain of a slapstick movie.

For the people who wants to see Avamar burning, you will need to wait for another couple of years. Now, Erik the Terrible is marching to assault Oligarch. I love new nicknames.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Fleugs on June 21, 2013, 12:26:05 AM
But Sirion are elves and elves are evil! Burn, burn, burn!
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on June 21, 2013, 12:33:13 AM
Because of that we like to burn our enemies first.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Anaris on June 21, 2013, 12:43:07 AM
For the people who wants to see Avamar burning, you will need to wait for another couple of years.

Actually, I think we'll just need to wait until sea travel comes to the EC. Sirion's northern and eastern regions are ripe fruit, ready for plucking as soon as armies can sail around behind you.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on June 21, 2013, 01:00:25 AM
The same counts for almost every realm in EC, so just because people can, that doesn't mean they will be successful. Also, there's a difference between pirates, occasional raids and burn then entire duchy and the city to the ground. It's possible, but just it.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Anaris on June 21, 2013, 01:03:58 AM
The same counts for almost every realm in EC, so just because people can, that doesn't mean they will be successful. Also, there's a difference between pirates, occasional raids and burn then entire duchy and the city to the ground. It's possible, but just it.

The difference with Sirion is that it's the only way anyone can get in at it.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ketchum on June 21, 2013, 01:54:11 AM
Nivemus need a good reason for war? Oh, okay. How about Fane trying to TakeOver the rogue Oberndorf, the one region next to our capital? Fane is a good neighbor aye? No good neighbor realm start their Diplomacy relationship with taking over Oberndorf that is claimed by us 8)

Quote
Roleplay from Brock Ketchum
Message sent to everyone in the region Oligarch (33 recipients)
Stratarchos Brock shakes his head as someone mention to him about overhearing Fane Ruler speech.
He turns to address his Nivemus Warriors.

"Courage? Valour? Have they drink too much wine lately? Do they even know what is courage and valour about? Warriors of Nivemus, they are trying to takeover our rogue Oberndorf region recently. And yet, they sit here cowering behind their wall, thinking they act honorably. First step in Fane book of diplomacy relationship with your neighbor realm is to takeover your neighbor realm claimed rogue region. How courage and valour are that sound like. If this is the beginning of Fane diplomacy, I shudder to think what is the next step in Fane book of diplomacy."

In actual fact, our Ruler is busy RL and he did mention OOCly to our realm of course. Which could be why he not post in Ruler channel recently. No need to mention to outsiders, okay? You all dont know? Good ;)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on June 21, 2013, 02:07:29 AM
Quote
The difference with Sirion is that it's the only way anyone can get in at it.

Not at all... Perdan invaded our lands for a while when we were busy with Westmoor. By the sea, we have better targets than Avamar. But I can understand why Avamar, since many people hates Erik  :(
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Turner on June 21, 2013, 02:16:47 AM
Nivemus need a good reason for war? Oh, okay. How about Fane trying to TakeOver the rogue Oberndorf, the one region next to our capital? Fane is a good neighbor aye? No good neighbor realm start their Diplomacy relationship with taking over Oberndorf that is claimed by us 8)

In actual fact, our Ruler is busy RL and he did mention OOCly to our realm of course. Which could be why he not post in Ruler channel recently. No need to mention to outsiders, okay? You all dont know? Good ;)

Technically speaking, a rogue region is a rogue region, regardless of who previously owned it or who has claims to it. You cant say its yours and say they attempted to invade your lands when the region is rogue... ::)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ketchum on June 21, 2013, 02:24:12 AM
Technically speaking, a rogue region is a rogue region, regardless of who previously owned it or who has claims to it. You cant say its yours and say they attempted to invade your lands when the region is rogue... ::)
Fair enough. Do read my RolePlay a bit. It is about "claimed rogue region", not "invade your lands". We are talking about different points :)

Nivemus claims rogue region of Oberndorf. If you try to takeover a claimed rogue region, you will have war on your hand. No need to get so difficult to understand than that ;)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Turner on June 21, 2013, 02:34:51 AM
Fair enough, I must have misread your RP post  8)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Blue Star on June 21, 2013, 03:48:49 AM
I personally think Westmoor should fight to the death.

Choice between kneeling and standing, seems they've choosen the choice to kneel. Then becoming nothing more than a fraction of it''s strength. Sirion will finally get Nivemus land oo the puppet region prospers.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Turner on June 21, 2013, 04:11:54 AM
I personally think Westmoor should fight to the death.

Choice between kneeling and standing, seems they've choosen the choice to kneel. Then becoming nothing more than a fraction of it''s strength. Sirion will finally get Nivemus land oo the puppet region prospers.

I agree with you. Not everyone in Westmoor agrees with what is happening.

Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Indirik on June 21, 2013, 04:53:22 AM
Revolt!
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Foxglove on June 21, 2013, 05:01:02 AM
Every realm on the EC that has some history behind it has been in a bad spot at some point in their existence. They chose to make peace, rebuild, and return to strength. There's nothing glorious (or entertaining, for that matter) about having to sit in a city while your realm is destroyed.

Revolt!

King Thomas turns to his chamberlain, "Tell the executioner to make sure he has sharpened his axe."
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Zakilevo on June 21, 2013, 05:08:17 AM
Perdan could have fought to the bitter end but Indirik happened. Unfortunate indeed... You don't want a sensible ruler signing peace to preserve your realm. You need a brave warlord who is willing to fight to the end!  8)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Zakilevo on June 21, 2013, 06:45:39 AM
That was some epic battle. Haven't had that in awhile.  8)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: trying on June 21, 2013, 07:05:35 AM
EPIC
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ketchum on June 21, 2013, 07:46:08 AM
The battle is epic. I cannot recall a battle where Brock has not been wounded. He manages to stay injury-free. Maybe because he has wine before the battle, rather than cake suggested by Fane fair lady :P
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ironsides on June 21, 2013, 09:36:12 AM

Ladies and Gentlemen, may I proudly announce to you the full casualty list of the first Battle for Fane!

Woundings
Ryu Hinamoto, Royal of Sirion has been wounded by Archers of Dawn (50).
Amar Eastwood, Count of Glinmar has been wounded by Miller's Quarter Sentries (61).
Karlaek von Murodore, Justiciar of the Castle of Fane, Knight of Oligarch, Marshal of White Armour has been wounded by Dark Ones (7).
Zakilevo Lapallanch, Prime Minister of Sirion, Royal of Sirion has been wounded by (49).
Erik Eyolf Serpentis, Royal of Sirion, Duke of Avamar, Margrave of Avamar has been wounded by Outer Ring Garisson (64).
Armstrong Ironsides, King, Merchant Chief of Fane, Royal of Fane, Duke of Oligarch, Margrave of Oligarch has been wounded by Caqueta Fort Defenders (6).
Karlaek von Murodore, Justiciar of the Castle of Fane, Knight of Oligarch, Marshal of White Armour has been wounded by Al Amarah Skirmishers (3).
Dal van Belhanka, Knight of Avamar has been wounded by (48).
Stella' Telmes Terises, Dame of Oligarch has been wounded by Stormwalkers (38).
Vercinge Feylonis, Knight of Slimbar has been wounded by Eastern Wall Guardsmen (54).
Giselle Relak, Margravine of Krimml, Marshal of Silver Legion has been wounded by Oligarch Militants (63).
Elena Atkinson, Banker of Sirion, Countess of Elmbar has been wounded by Outer Ring Garisson (64).
Ryu Hinamoto, Royal of Sirion has been wounded by Eastern Wall Guardsmen (54).
Benton Kabrinski, Knight of Avamar has been wounded by Miller's Quarter Sentries (61).
Arturo Alumaani, Count of Limbar, Marshal of Army of Sirion has been wounded by Outer Ring Garisson (64).
Sir Malakai Wolf, Baron of Caqueta has been wounded by Outer Ring Garisson (64).

Captured
Sir Ubin cIipt, Count of Braga, Marshal of Sirion Scarlet Hunters has been captured by Miller's Quarter Sentries (61).
Caelitus Acies Dux Ducis, Baron of Sermbar has been captured by Farmer's Gate Wardens (58).
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ironsides on June 21, 2013, 09:37:39 AM
That was some epic battle. Haven't had that in awhile.  8)

EPIC

This is why Fane exists.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Fleugs on June 21, 2013, 01:37:10 PM
So, nobody has a government now?  :)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: trying on June 21, 2013, 03:15:03 PM
Most of them healed instantly.
I didn't know it was possible to get wounded twice in a battle.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ironsides on June 21, 2013, 06:48:15 PM

Here is the casualty list for the second Battle for Fane:

Wounded
Armstrong Ironsides, King, Merchant Chief of Fane, Royal of Fane, Duke of Oligarch, Margrave of Oligarch has been wounded by Dark Ones (7).
Eonlia Frostwood, Dame of Oligarch has been wounded by Rollbar Auxiliaries (30).
Stella' Telmes Terises, Dame of Oligarch has been wounded by Kabrinski Guard (22).
Manish Eastwood, Count of Lissambar has been wounded by Archers of Dawn (44).
Athemar Mayfield, Knight of Osslamar has been wounded by Guardians of Westmoor (52).
Stella' Telmes Terises, Dame of Oligarch has been wounded by Riders of Lissambar (29).
Cain Erendegard, Knight of Limbar has been wounded by The Weathered Souls (60).
Otto Lucifer, Count of Rollbar has been wounded by Eastern Wall Guardsmen (49).
Otto Lucifer, Count of Rollbar has been seriously wounded by Archers of Dawn (44).
Didymus La Pointe, Count of Hillmar, Marshal of Red Dragons has been wounded by Outer Ring Garisson (56).

Captured
Athemar Mayfield, Knight of Osslamar has been captured by Guardians of Westmoor (52).
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Hinamoto on June 21, 2013, 06:50:28 PM
Im like  :o with my SF unit. Simply amazing.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Frostwood on June 21, 2013, 10:02:02 PM
I'm gaining more honour and prestige in two days then in months in Niselur.  If we hold on for two more battles I can become ruler eventually.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Zakilevo on June 21, 2013, 10:13:10 PM
I'm gaining more honour and prestige in two days then in months in Niselur.  If we hold on for two more battles I can become ruler eventually.

The best way to get the ruler fames :). Join a dying realm and become a ruler and stay as a ruler for 100 days. You get 4 fame point easily.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on June 21, 2013, 10:34:59 PM
I'm still waiting another fame point for being Duke for the first time in Dwilight, but as it seems, I never get fame points from Dwilight.

And good to know, Zaki... you need to retire so I can win the 4 points with Erik... lol.

Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Zakilevo on June 21, 2013, 11:01:11 PM
I'm still waiting another fame point for being Duke for the first time in Dwilight, but as it seems, I never get fame points from Dwilight.

And good to know, Zaki... you need to retire so I can win the 4 points with Erik... lol.
You already got your duke fame. You only get 1 point of fame from being a duke.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Sacha on June 21, 2013, 11:23:57 PM
You get two for being Duke, actually :)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Anaris on June 21, 2013, 11:25:16 PM
You get two for being Duke, actually :)

But you get them at the same time.

There are no fame points that you can get again for doing the same thing on other continents, or with other characters. They are all strictly limited to the first instance of each event within your family.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on June 22, 2013, 12:36:58 AM
Good to know before start another rebellion.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ironsides on June 22, 2013, 07:16:00 AM

Thus begins the drudge of a city TO. Here's to cancelling it every turn!

And Armstrong was wounded again, that's all  three battles now. I am surprised he has not been killed yet. If not, God wills it!
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Zakilevo on June 22, 2013, 08:30:10 AM
Thus begins the drudge of a city TO. Here's to cancelling it every turn!

And Armstrong was wounded again, that's all  three battles now. I am surprised he has not been killed yet. If not, God wills it!

Well he hasn't been seriously wounded yet.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Terises Jr. on June 22, 2013, 10:27:38 AM
if Armstrong died, who will be new king of Fane?
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Jaden on June 22, 2013, 04:11:14 PM
The best way to get the ruler fames :). Join a dying realm and become a ruler and stay as a ruler for 100 days. You get 4 fame point easily.

I thought you don't get ruler fame when it's a small or dying realm?
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Indirik on June 22, 2013, 04:14:15 PM
There is a region limit for ruler fame, to prevent exactly this situation from occuring.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Zakilevo on June 22, 2013, 06:54:59 PM
There is a region limit for ruler fame, to prevent exactly this situation from occuring.

Really? Good to know :o
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on June 22, 2013, 08:34:11 PM
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if Armstrong died, who will be new king of Fane?

Erik Eyolf, King of Kings, for sure. But there will be no Fane anymore. Who wants a realm where people just talk about cakes while we take it!?  ;D
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Frostwood on June 23, 2013, 03:42:04 AM
Hey don't diss the cake and wine I offered. ;D
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ironsides on June 23, 2013, 05:12:58 AM

What if the cake and wine was laced with poisons?

Faneian Baker: "Yes, yes, you can eat as much as you like, Sirionites! Please, come and empty my shelves!"

Then, aside, FB: "Mwhahahahaa."
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Zakilevo on June 24, 2013, 07:34:39 PM
Well that is the end for Fane. Most of Fane's nobility put behind the bars ;)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Turner on June 25, 2013, 01:45:20 AM
Sirion must be so proud beating a one city realm into the ground, yay for Sirion supremacy. God forbid they actually faced an enemy that can match them for strength on the battlefield  8)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Zakilevo on June 25, 2013, 02:15:44 AM
Sirion must be so proud beating a one city realm into the ground, yay for Sirion supremacy. God forbid they actually faced an enemy that can match them for strength on the battlefield  8)

Rofl Don't feel so bitter Turner. Besieging Oligarch was no joke. Can't force people to change their unit type :p
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on June 25, 2013, 02:46:03 AM
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Sirion must be so proud beating a one city realm into the ground, yay for Sirion supremacy. God forbid they actually faced an enemy that can match them for strength on the battlefield 


We are still looking for someone that can match us on the battlefield... Oligarch was just a small prize.

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Can't force people to change their unit type :p

You must learn that we cannot do everything just to win ;)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ketchum on June 25, 2013, 04:06:55 AM
The lady of Fane challenged Brock to a duel. Let see how this works out.

P/S: Not sure Brock swordsmanship skill has become rusty :P
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Hinamoto on June 25, 2013, 03:06:21 PM
Sirion must be so proud beating a one city realm into the ground, yay for Sirion supremacy. God forbid they actually faced an enemy that can match them for strength on the battlefield  8)

They probably are...
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Indirik on June 25, 2013, 06:08:49 PM
Sirion must be so proud beating a one city realm into the ground, yay for Sirion supremacy. God forbid they actually faced an enemy that can match them for strength on the battlefield  8)
If you don't want to be mauled by the bear, then don't poke the bear with the pointy stick. If you pick up the stick and start poking, you deserve your mauling.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Hinamoto on June 25, 2013, 07:00:57 PM
If you don't want to be mauled by the bear, then don't poke the bear with the pointy stick. If you pick up the stick and start poking, you deserve your mauling.

claps claps claps!
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Sacha on June 25, 2013, 07:54:49 PM
Sirion must be so proud beating a one city realm into the ground, yay for Sirion supremacy. God forbid they actually faced an enemy that can match them for strength on the battlefield  8)
They survived a 4v1 war, your turn again :)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Fleugs on June 25, 2013, 07:58:31 PM
They survived a 4v1 war, your turn again :)

+1. Sirion has proven what it is worth when they were surrounded by enemies.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Zakilevo on June 25, 2013, 07:59:12 PM
They survived a 4v1 war, your turn again :)

You mean 5v1? Fontan-Westmoor-SoA-OI-Perdan? Or does OI not count :o
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Hinamoto on June 25, 2013, 07:59:51 PM
They survived a 4v1 war, your turn again :)

5-1 !! OI WAS THERE TOO!!   ::)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Fleugs on June 25, 2013, 08:01:19 PM
You mean 5v1? Fontan-Westmoor-SoA-OI-Perdan? Or does OI not count :o

OI never counts. What is this OI you speak of? Do you mean the wild islandtribe with absolutely zero significance ever?
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Hinamoto on June 25, 2013, 08:06:02 PM
OI never counts. What is this OI you speak of? Do you mean the wild islandtribe with absolutely zero significance ever?

You disrespect the best unit cohesion risers ever.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ketchum on June 26, 2013, 02:29:23 AM
You disrespect the best unit cohesion risers ever.
Indeed. I would never discount OI at all. Remember OI did bring 10K CS to the table when they attack Nivemus the last time ;D

For those interested in duelling, come join Northern Swordfighters guild in Pedrera region.
As to Brock duel with Lady of Fane, look like Brock does not like to hurt lady that much. See below :P

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Duel   (20 hours, 12 minutes ago)

Brock Ketchum, Stratarchos of Nivemus, Knight of Obando meets his challenger Stella' Telmes Terises, Dame of Oligarch for the agreed duel till surrender.
Stella' Telmes has decided to use the 'defensive' strategy while Brock has chosen the 'neutral' strategy, giving Brock the advantage.
The duel goes back and forth for a while. Finally, Stella' Telmes surrenders after suffering a light wound.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Atanamir on June 26, 2013, 08:34:16 AM
As one of the little here with insights to northern and southern military aspects, I'd say you compare here apples with bananas. (You can choose what Sirion is ;))

Sirion has fought (and won) valliantly in a 5 vs 1 war, I was there, in Sirion.
But you can't compare Sirion to any other realm due to two factors: a) defensive advantage due their long line of walls at the Sirion river and b) a huge amount of ressources.

Even if it seems that it sounds so special and unfair to some, but the only way to defeat Sirion is to hit it with more than 1 realm, since you will need to attack it on multiple fronts and Sirion, even if only limited to the lands behind Sirion river, is BIG.
No sane realm would attack Sirion alone.

Sirion's army now is a terrible but powerful beast to tame, but on defensive, including their wall lines and their excellent ranged units, Sirion is not to be defeated. This must be admitted here in all honesty.
Even a mediocre general would do not bad with such defensive capabilities if he just knew to move along the line when needed (well I did bad for some, as I was the first to leave those walls - chaarge! - hehe ;)).

Sirion's ressources + defensive advantage is something that no other realm has and therefore it is very "brave" (be cautious: irony) to say "it's your turn now" to any other realm on EC.

Sirion and all other realms on EC simply play in a different league - now more than ever before of course - and I always wonder, when some Sirion players still speak about "vengeance" and "you should suffer the same", when that only means that they lower this way their own realm's status to the other realms.

Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Hinamoto on June 26, 2013, 02:21:52 PM
As one of the little here with insights to northern and southern military aspects, I'd say you compare here apples with bananas. (You can choose what Sirion is ;))

Sirion has fought (and won) valliantly in a 5 vs 1 war, I was there, in Sirion.
But you can't compare Sirion to any other realm due to two factors: a) defensive advantage due their long line of walls at the Sirion river and b) a huge amount of ressources.

Even if it seems that it sounds so special and unfair to some, but the only way to defeat Sirion is to hit it with more than 1 realm, since you will need to attack it on multiple fronts and Sirion, even if only limited to the lands behind Sirion river, is BIG.
No sane realm would attack Sirion alone.

Sirion's army now is a terrible but powerful beast to tame, but on defensive, including their wall lines and their excellent ranged units, Sirion is not to be defeated. This must be admitted here in all honesty.
Even a mediocre general would do not bad with such defensive capabilities if he just knew to move along the line when needed (well I did bad for some, as I was the first to leave those walls - chaarge! - hehe ;)).

Sirion's ressources + defensive advantage is something that no other realm has and therefore it is very "brave" (be cautious: irony) to say "it's your turn now" to any other realm on EC.

Sirion and all other realms on EC simply play in a different league - now more than ever before of course - and I always wonder, when some Sirion players still speak about "vengeance" and "you should suffer the same", when that only means that they lower this way their own realm's status to the other realms.

It is easy to give arguments with monday's newspaper. Before we stood up and beated everyone NO ONE gave two cents about Sirion winning. Everyone was either cockily bragging about who would get Parm, who would get Avamar and how they would make fun of Sirion been a single city realm in Slimbar or just pointing out how doomed Sirion was. We beated all of them and suddenly is easy to defend Sirion?

Bleh!

Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Atanamir on June 26, 2013, 02:52:53 PM
It is easy to give arguments with monday's newspaper. Before we stood up and beated everyone NO ONE gave two cents about Sirion winning. Everyone was either cockily bragging about who would get Parm, who would get Avamar and how they would make fun of Sirion been a single city realm in Slimbar or just pointing out how doomed Sirion was. We beated all of them and suddenly is easy to defend Sirion?

Bleh!

Yes Sirion is easy to defend.
I am not talking about ppl here who were selling the bear hide before killing the bear.
I was referring to facts.
However, I agree, it is not easy to go into offensive with Sirion.
Too broad hierarchy, I made that experience personally. ;)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Jaden on June 26, 2013, 03:05:34 PM
Sirion's geography is a bit ridiculous though, you have 6 regions that access it's heartland and 4 of them happen to be a city or a stronghold... I would think it has the most defensible geography across BM except maybe for Riombara, and that was because of the netherworld swallowing a huge chunk of Beluaterra.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: trying on June 26, 2013, 03:48:45 PM
Sirion's geography is a bit ridiculous though, you have 6 regions that access it's heartland and 4 of them happen to be a city or a stronghold... I would think it has the most defensible geography across BM except maybe for Riombara, and that was because of the netherworld swallowing a huge chunk of Beluaterra.

You're forgetting about the northern islands in FEI. It has just 2 routes in and the regions those routes lead to are adjacent to each other which is why it took Arcaea years to beat through.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Indirik on June 26, 2013, 06:24:45 PM
We beated all of them and suddenly is easy to defend Sirion?
FWIW - I have maintained for years that Sirion is ridicullously easy to defend. I've been saying this since way back when it was "everyone V. Sirion", back before the first Perdan/Caligus war. Not only do you have a huge ring of fortifications, but you have the internal geography (small regions, low travel times, and good region connections) that makes defender movements fast and easy, while the attackers have huge regions, long travel times, and probably crappy roads. The only way to break through this is to smash into the walls with huge armies, in multiple locations. Or spend an insane amount of time marching all the way north to the coastline, and then across the plains. Again, very slow and hard to hide your intentions, especially if you have friends in Nivemus reporting troop movements.

This is about the same situation that Astrum has on Dwilight. Except Sirion has it even better. Astrum's ring of fortifications has some holes, and some townslands. Sirion is mostly cities/stringholds.

This isn't an indictment of Sirion, by any means. You guys have the geography on your side, and that's that. A geographical advantage exists, and you take advantage of it. Blaming Sirion for it would be like blaming Perdan for having their northern border guarded by Bescanon, a river, and some tall mountains. Or OI for having access to their islands guarded bya  sea route that terminates in their capital city.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Atanamir on June 26, 2013, 08:45:51 PM
Blaming Sirion for it would be like blaming Perdan for having their northern border guarded by Bescanon, a river, and some tall mountains.

Perdan has enough holes to be won easily against as the last Perdan/Caligus/Ibladesh war showed.
You just need to adapt the right strategy as attacker.
In this case now, there is no strategy to defeat Perdan, everyone just waits for Sirion and to win with brute numbers.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on June 27, 2013, 04:08:09 AM
Sirion is vulnerable by sea... then it's wise to reduce some power around before we have sea travels in East Continent.  8)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Atanamir on June 27, 2013, 06:54:56 AM
Sirion is vulnerable by sea... then it's wise to reduce some power around before we have sea travels in East Continent.  8)

Then you should count who has most cities at sea near Sirion. Hint, it's not Perdan.  ;D
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: T Strike on June 30, 2013, 07:19:33 PM
Is it... umm... Caligus :)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ironsides on July 05, 2013, 09:32:04 AM

Hey Sirion and Nivemus, stop assassinating/capturing Armstrong! I am planning on engaging in death duels, so quit interfering! If you want me ousted just let time and circumstance do the job - everything will take care of itself!!!!! Armstrong is wounded still, but as he heals I want to be fully fit to fight in a death duel. We were SO close three or four days ago but someone from Sirion decided to cut into Armstrong. Not nice!!

 :-*

Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ketchum on July 09, 2013, 05:13:06 AM
Hey Sirion and Nivemus, stop assassinating/capturing Armstrong! I am planning on engaging in death duels, so quit interfering! If you want me ousted just let time and circumstance do the job - everything will take care of itself!!!!! Armstrong is wounded still, but as he heals I want to be fully fit to fight in a death duel. We were SO close three or four days ago but someone from Sirion decided to cut into Armstrong. Not nice!!

 :-*
Maybe there is big gold bounty on Armstrong head, so the infiltrator could not resist.

There is one Nivemus noble wants a death duel with Armstrong, somehow your Mr Dumbledore tried to Avada Kedavra him instead not so long ago. Not sure what we want to do with Dumbledore in our prison as his name is a good guy name 8)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: loren on July 11, 2013, 04:30:58 PM
With the provisions.php working now it's time to end this ill fated realm! =) <3 Armstrong's following Gregor's lead and just seceding.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Turner on July 12, 2013, 01:59:47 AM
Armstrong should just switch the city to Sirion and hold onto it. That would be funny, they get it but dont control it  8)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Indirik on July 12, 2013, 03:24:17 AM
*ban*

Problem solved.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ironsides on July 12, 2013, 10:24:29 AM
....<3 Armstrong's following Gregor's lead and just seceding.

Pretty much. It's true to character that the first war Armstrong ever fought in was against the Confederacy of Fontan. And, the first city siege he ever saw/participated in was against Krimml after Duke Alexi Pelvin transferred the capital duchy to Perdan. So, in a way, Armstrong is a product of his upbringing and environment.

It's society's fault!
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on July 13, 2013, 12:45:11 AM
The short history of Fane ends today.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ironsides on August 01, 2013, 10:40:13 PM

Hear ye, hear ye, the King of Fane is dead!
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Duel Death   (16 hours, 29 minutes ago)
Armstrong has suffered a fatal blow in a duel against Malakai. He died quickly.

Duel   (16 hours, 29 minutes ago)
Armstrong Ironsides, King of Fane, Royal of Fane, Duke of Oligarch meets his challenger Sir Malakai Wolf, Legodos of Nivemus, Baron of Caqueta, Marshal of High Guard for the agreed duel till death.
Malakai has decided to use the 'trick moves' strategy while Armstrong has chosen the 'overrun' strategy, giving Malakai the advantage.
The duel goes as planned, then badly for Armstrong. He suffers several slight wounds, then a final, fatal blow. The healers hurry, but they are too late.
Malakai, although the winner, has also suffered a light wound.

That is by far the absolute greatest conclusion to any character I have ever played in BattleMaster. I have to give complete credit to the player of Malakai Wolf for his patience in all of the trouble that Armstrong went through after the loss of Fane. You guys have no idea how long we've been trying to have this duel, and it ended exactly the way I prayed it would!

Armstrong never had any last words, but if he spoke before bleeding out from the wound he would say this "By the ashes of my fathers and the temple of my God, I say, Glory Be..."

All hail the Fallen King!
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Foxglove on August 02, 2013, 02:16:54 AM
I'm glad he met the end you wanted for him. Armstrong was a great, well-drawn character and he deserved to go out in the style you wanted.

If we can get his body back from Nivemus, the CoH will lay him to rest in the Sacred Order of Battle in Morshes, as per his wishes. Thomas has given him a full pardon and decreed that Armstrong will be entombed with all honours due to a fallen king. His weapons, armour, and the flag and crown of Fane will be placed in the tomb with him. Let the bards make him into a legend.

All hail Armstrong, the once and future king!  ;)
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ketchum on August 02, 2013, 02:24:04 AM
Nivemus will gladly deliver his body with full respect given to the man. Let us know IC? 8)

By the way, do anyone calculate how long Fane realm is created until its demise?
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Ironsides on August 02, 2013, 04:45:51 AM
I'm glad he met the end you wanted for him. Armstrong was a great, well-drawn character and he deserved to go out in the style you wanted.

If we can get his body back from Nivemus, the CoH will lay him to rest in the Sacred Order of Battle in Morshes, as per his wishes. Thomas has given him a full pardon and decreed that Armstrong will be entombed with all honours due to a fallen king. His weapons, armour, and the flag and crown of Fane will be placed in the tomb with him. Let the bards make him into a legend.

All hail Armstrong, the once and future king!  ;)

Burial in Morshes would please Armstrong very much! Let me know if there are any RPs so I can collect them :)

Nivemus will gladly deliver his body with full respect given to the man. Let us know IC? 8)

By the way, do anyone calculate how long Fane realm is created until its demise?

Let's see, it lasted from June 3rd to July 13th, so a little over one month-ish.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Jaden on August 02, 2013, 06:16:26 AM
Legendary hero buried   (just in)
The Ironsides family commemorates the dead hero Armstrong, a legend known all over the world. Admirers, friends and even enemies visit his grave.

Thought you only get that if you died as a hero in a battle?  ???
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Indirik on August 02, 2013, 06:23:00 PM
Looks like a bug. That is only supposed to be given for a legendary hero. And you can only have a legendary her from death in combat....
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Revan on August 02, 2013, 07:52:13 PM
Looks like a bug. That is only supposed to be given for a legendary hero. And you can only have a legendary her from death in combat....

Actually, I don't think the manner of death has ever had any bearing on whether they are legendary hero or not. The only factor determining whether a hero has a heroic death or a legendary one is the amount of prestige they have when they die.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Indirik on August 03, 2013, 12:13:57 AM
That is not correct.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Jaden on August 03, 2013, 07:15:06 AM
Actually, I don't think the manner of death has ever had any bearing on whether they are legendary hero or not. The only factor determining whether a hero has a heroic death or a legendary one is the amount of prestige they have when they die.

My hero died with 45 prestige which is more than Armstrong and only got the normal hero death fame
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Revan on August 03, 2013, 06:44:53 PM
Heh, apologies. I think I'm turning into living, breathing proof of how faulty a persons memory can be!
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Anaris on August 03, 2013, 08:03:25 PM
Actually, I don't think the manner of death has ever had any bearing on whether they are legendary hero or not.

This is correct.

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The only factor determining whether a hero has a heroic death or a legendary one is the amount of prestige they have when they die.

This is not.

Looks like a bug. That is only supposed to be given for a legendary hero. And you can only have a legendary her from death in combat....

This is also not.
Title: Re: Fane
Post by: Indirik on August 03, 2013, 11:26:54 PM
Well, that's certainly something new to me...