So, Perdan signs peace with Sirion and Caligus. The Sirionite ruler was protested out and the new Caligan ruler apparently doesn't feel like fighting any longer. This is just what I got from Armonia's ruler, so it may be tainted - as IC info is.
Why on earth would they sign peace now?
I don't think Zaki resigned; he resigned.
The war is not over yet.
Eponllyn and Armonia are still fighting Perdan.
So, when will perdan form new colony? Or perdan only interested to loot enemy region? Make one realm lose one duchy and then sign peace..
Well, this is just wonderful. Caligus offers us the backing needed to start a war, and even says they will start the war whether we wnt to join or not. Now they bail. And Sirion, who would never have won in the north so quickly (or at all) without the south distracting Perdan, is going to call it quits. Despite Perdan having done so much damage to Nivemus. (Who still can't reclaim their rogue regions.) Nice. Eponllyn gets used by everyone!
Not to mention that Perdan's claimed reason for declaring their war on Nivemus is still unresolved.
The war is not over yet.And they are gonna lose badly if all those battle reports I hear are defeats reports only :(
Eponllyn and Armonia are still fighting Perdan.
So, when will perdan form new colony? Or perdan only interested to loot enemy region? Make one realm lose one duchy and then sign peace..I think that would be fair compensation for all those effort. Perdan did survive fighting against 3 realms after all. Sirion fought 5 realms at once, so it still need some way to go before we witness this in our lifetime 8)
Well, this is just wonderful. Caligus offers us the backing needed to start a war, and even says they will start the war whether we wnt to join or not. Now they bail. And Sirion, who would never have won in the north so quickly (or at all) without the south distracting Perdan, is going to call it quits. Despite Perdan having done so much damage to Nivemus. (Who still can't reclaim their rogue regions.) Nice. Eponllyn gets used by everyone!Yes, poor Eponllyn. Also poor Nivemus. They cant reclaim their rogue regions yet. Seems you are well-informed, Indirik :P
They came, got their army destroyed and fled.
On my defense i have been busy, but i agree the traveling for nothing is annoying.
Well, this is just wonderful. Caligus offers us the backing needed to start a war, and even says they will start the war whether we wnt to join or not. Now they bail. And Sirion, who would never have won in the north so quickly (or at all) without the south distracting Perdan, is going to call it quits. Despite Perdan having done so much damage to Nivemus. (Who still can't reclaim their rogue regions.) Nice. Eponllyn gets used by everyone!Used by everyone... except perhaps Nivemus? :P
There won't be an Eponllyn left to wage a war against Armonia. Perdan will probably force a CoH-entrenched buffer realm out of Al Arab and the surroundings, maybe even occupyin as far as Semall. Depends on how many spare nobles they want to toss at it. Not sure what they will try to force on Armonia.
They dont have much left, might as well make all their regions go rogue until they give you an answer ;)
It depends all on Queen Siana.She hasn't been commenting IC, either, beyond posting the letters from the new rulers of Sirion/Caligus that got posted to the ruler's channel. IC, our characters know very little of what is happening.
Atanamir has often offered her terms, and she never replied.
She hasn't been commenting IC, either, beyond posting the letters from the new rulers of Sirion/Caligus that got posted to the ruler's channel. IC, our characters know very little of what is happening.
Elves must destroy Westmoor if Perdan intend to make a new colony. Nivemus must take the peninsula.
We need to keep the balance, you know.
Well, with Perdan inviting Westmoor to form a new colony, Sirion must incentivate the Westmorians to move there... and the best way to do it is destroying Westmoor to form a new Sirionite colony. We need to keep the balance, you know.
Oh? Then we will be seeing Sirion splitting up unto multiple realms then? You know. For balance.
Well... we still have the peninsula. Sirion gave it and Erik gave it with a warning: "Don't turn against Sirion again".
They did it. So, be a good candle-holder and don't put your nose in this matter. :)
Yeah, wasn't there something with Evangeline's bounty on the East Continent a while back with the Infiltrator losing the bounty somehow due to switching Realms? I vaguely remember something like that.
The Church must be destroyed in Westmoor. This is always a good try for a "crusade".
That would be meaningless because it's a continental faith. At last count, the Church of Humanity had temples in five or six different realms. The only way you'll get rid of the Church is by destroying the whole continent.
Do feel free to declare war on the entire continent as soon as convenient ;)
Not to mention it has a presence in realms on other continents as well.
Good luck with trying to destroy it, aint gonna happen ;)
"The bards sing of one elf's relentless quest to destroy a whole religion. They also sing the strange tale of how his pointed ears disappeared as soon as set foot in the Far East".
Not going to happen. Shame the people of Sirion were stupid enough to elect you. They ruined their chances of finally freeing themselves of Erik. Ah well, examples of why republics are, in the long run, always going to fail.On this account, I agree with you. I have played in republic and democracy systems before. Both always have internal problems, many elections candidates going for populist policies and so on. Not to mention, there is good and bad things that each government system type enjoy. My characters tried to stay away from populist policies as it always end up on failures one way or another. Sometime it is hard to resist as everyone all are doing same thing ::)
Not to mention it has a presence in realms on other continents as well.While that is technically true, it's presence on other islands is minor, or negligible. Particularly FEI, where is a tiny little thing. And on BT, it hasn't really gotten much (any?) traction outside Old Grehk.
I doubt so much people cares with the CoH. In Sirion the only reason we gave some attention is because of Jor and his positions about the elves. Without him, for Sirion the CoH is just another human religion for humans and nothing more. But, if Erik get to marry and stabilish familiar ties with Perdan, be sure he will continue with his witch hunt.
As Erik would be a disgrace to Sirion if Westmoor had won the war, Jor is a shadow over Westmoor that will always be a nice excuse to justify our attacks. In Sirion we like to deal with warrior kings, not priests with skirts and religious influence.
Good thing Erik's such a terrible RPer.
Jor said the elves are just amputee freaks....Erik can consider the simple fact of being called an amputee offensive
They care if the CoH will treat us like the Flow did. It's a practical matter.And yet the CoH has never done so, nor would they be permitted so long as a Tanos is Arch Cleric. Jor's even rebuked clerics for using the faith to cause unrest.
Wait a second, so only the older elves are elves? The long ears are really few then. I thought Sirion was still making it know they were elves to their people.
I mean someone can always be a half-elf... *coughs* that not another race entirely.
A long standing debate. Most of my characters assume that new nobles in Sirion just pretend to be elves b/c well... Sirion has elves. Why let their poor delusions hurt them. Its not much different than the Orcs of Oligarch. Ahh the Orcs, now those were some opponents!
Following Caligus' surrender announcement on the ruler's channel a few days ago, rumour has it that Perdan & Co. have offered Caligus some exceptionally humiliating terms. I am still trying to get a copy of them IC, so I don't really know myself yet. It wouldn't surprise me, though.Yes, it is a shame that this should happen. Well, almost in every realm I joined, there is sort of many realms-to-one realm war. Either we are in the one realm or many realms side. Maybe we can think of giving incentives(in-game advantage) to those realms who joined the war to balance the war out? Good idea, don't you think? 8)
It's a shame, really. We had a brief conversation on the ruler's channel about two or three months ago about how war on the EC has become not so much fun. It's things like this, really, that cause it. War to annihilation, humiliating surrender terms, and pile-on wars like Perdan/Fallangard/Perleone going after Caligus. Sure, Sirion stepped in to help Caligus, but even so the results were mostly foreordained. There's no way Caligus/Sirion were going to be able to stand up to the trio of enemies. Eponllyn joining in to help Caligus (even if we wanted to) would have been suicide.
I wonder if Perdan will intervene in a possibly-soon-to-be-starting Perleone v. Eponllyn war. It's the general assumption that they will. If so, expect Eponllyn to be quickly crushed.
As far as Sirion goes, they won't fight Perdan now. With Csligus out, the war is over.
In real life that may be true. But not in a game. In a game you want to leave the thorn there, so you have something to fight later. If you keep destroying everyone, and making the were not fun, then players will leave them you won't have anyone to play with anymore.
As far as Sirion goes, they won't fight Perdan now. With Csligus out, the war is over.
That's a very negative view of the situation. Players need to have thicker skin and learn to communicate and fight back in game... instead of coming on these forums and whining about so and so being a realm killer an such. Honestly, players take these things to personal, its a game have fun, if you dislike it be a charismatic leader and make changes.That's easy to say. But glib words don't change reality.
Caligus issue is they are highly disorganized, lacking leadership, and not stable (plus can do little more than sit in their capital). Also, they refused terms which of course were not completely in their favor, but would helped them into a better situation than they are in currently. Everyone wants to fight to the death instead of take terms, in that case it cannot be helped ::)"not completely in their favor"? The terms were essentially "Be my bitch, and pretend you like it!"
The arguments here are quite funny, since I wrote that Caligus treaty now.And in the process forced them to turn and attack the only realm that has been a steadfast ally to them for how long now? This is a perfect example of providing a perfect example of a treaty that is so unpalatable that the defeated realm would rather die than agree, Think of how it would be right now if Perdan got beaten so bad by Sirion that the peace treaty Perdan was given was "Give half your land to Eponllyn, then join us in destroying Westmoor and Perleone. And you have only 2 days to give us your answer." Do you think that Perdan would agree, or would they refuse and choose to die first?
All I can say is that Caligus was offered a treaty which would have made them equal strong in terms of territory and economically even favored them.
They would have just to become the "old" Caligus againAnd maybe that's not what they want to be?
, the one before Dobromir ruled for 7 years and made CaligusAnd do you think that anyone on Caligus remembers that time? Maybe one player? Two, tops?
Humiliating terms are something else - like those who got Eponllyn (which I wrote as well) and exiled it into the corner of the map and which again deserved it this way.Humiliating is whatever the offended party says it is. As a player of a game, you have to realize that, and make some allowances for it. If not, then the other party is free to just up and leave. And then the game has less players.
And it is laughable that such wars kill EC.Have you looked at our player count lately?
It is the opposite.
We create new realms and replace those which are stuck in their RP because when certain key players leave, the RP never evolves on (e.g. Dobby, Doc etc).
Replace Caligus?We past the point where simply destroying a realm and replacing it with a client state was a viable option, a long, long time ago.
It seems it will become harder to replace realms. We will eventually run into point where simply destroying realms won't get the result we desire.
We are losing people fast. We are down to 867 people. EC has 251 nobles. I don't know how many doubles we have but seeing Perdan, many realms have players with double characters in one realm.That is really the way that the powerful realms are operating these days. Doubled-up characters.
To be honest, I don't mind realms being destroyed and replaced.It's the nature of the game. Realms are destroyed and replaced on a semi-regular basis. Oddly enough, it happens more now that we have a small player base than it did when we had a huge player base. The problem is that we no longer have the players/characters to support it.
Eventually, Perdan will not have enough manpower to create another realm while characters from realms they've destroyed will join their enemies to help them grow in size.They already don't have the characters to be creating client states. Have you seen how anemic Perleone is? A sizable fraction of those characters are Armonian refugees, too.
Also, it is not like Perdan+allies are outnumbering their enemies. At the moment, Perdan's side has 76 nobles while Caligus' side has 90...I don't think that the sides are as firmly lined up as you think they are.
Indiriki Perdan beaten by Sirion to a pulp. Ha I laugh at that Sirion are isolationist they like their side of the river to much. Beyond those choke points they are not so great. They couldn't save Caligus let alone truly threaten Perdan.
;D Yeah yeah, im taunting come elfs come ::)
And in the process forced them to turn and attack the only realm that has been a steadfast ally to them for how long now? This is a perfect example of providing a perfect example of a treaty that is so unpalatable that the defeated realm would rather die than agree, Think of how it would be right now if Perdan got beaten so bad by Sirion that the peace treaty Perdan was given was "Give half your land to Eponllyn, then join us in destroying Westmoor and Perleone. And you have only 2 days to give us your answer." Do you think that Perdan would agree, or would they refuse and choose to die first?
And maybe that's not what they want to be?
And do you think that anyone on Caligus remembers that time? Maybe one player? Two, tops?
Humiliating is whatever the offended party says it is. As a player of a game, you have to realize that, and make some allowances for it. If not, then the other party is free to just up and leave. And then the game has less players.
Have you looked at our player count lately?
Have you been listening to anything that anyone has been saying on the forums?
Were you on the ruler's channel when all the rulers on EC were complaining about this very thing happening? Oh and look, here it is happening again.
We past the point where simply destroying a realm and replacing it with a client state was a viable option, a long, long time ago.
That is really the way that the powerful realms are operating these days. Doubled-up characters.
It's the nature of the game. Realms are destroyed and replaced on a semi-regular basis. Oddly enough, it happens more now that we have a small player base than it did when we had a huge player base. The problem is that we no longer have the players/characters to support it.
They already don't have the characters to be creating client states. Have you seen how anemic Perleone is? A sizable fraction of those characters are Armonian refugees, too.
I don't think that the sides are as firmly lined up as you think they are.
Indiriki Perdan beaten by Sirion to a pulp. Ha I laugh at that Sirion are isolationist they like their side of the river to much. Beyond those choke points they are not so great.The same could be said of Perdan attacking Sirion. We tried for years, and never could get past their border, with the exception of one or two northern raids that didn't do much.
They couldn't save Caligus let alone truly threaten Perdan.Of course not. The geography is all wrong.
During the last war, Sirion didn't have problem crushing Perdan. The problem was they were keep bringing allies while Sirion's ally Nivemus wasn't really useful.
If you really want challenge, just fight 1v1 all out war. Unfortunately, Perdan can no longer afford to do that cause their noble size shrunk too much.
We will continue to lose players in the coming months and by this time around next year, we will probably be seeing some empty spaces on the map.
And in the process forced them to turn and attack the only realm that has been a steadfast ally to them for how long now? This is a perfect example of providing a perfect example of a treaty that is so unpalatable that the defeated realm would rather die than agree, Think of how it would be right now if Perdan got beaten so bad by Sirion that the peace treaty Perdan was given was "Give half your land to Eponllyn, then join us in destroying Westmoor and Perleone. And you have only 2 days to give us your answer." Do you think that Perdan would agree, or would they refuse and choose to die first?
And maybe that's not what they want to be?
And do you think that anyone on Caligus remembers that time? Maybe one player? Two, tops?
Humiliating is whatever the offended party says it is. As a player of a game, you have to realize that, and make some allowances for it. If not, then the other party is free to just up and leave. And then the game has less players.
Have you looked at our player count lately?
Have you been listening to anything that anyone has been saying on the forums?
Were you on the ruler's channel when all the rulers on EC were complaining about this very thing happening? Oh and look, here it is happening again.
We past the point where simply destroying a realm and replacing it with a client state was a viable option, a long, long time ago.
That is really the way that the powerful realms are operating these days. Doubled-up characters.
The problem is, our player base are mostly old players who will quit the game as soon as they lose their realm which they care.
Of course, many of these old players are silent zombies these days but that is what BM is like these days.
Once Caligus dies, we will probably see at least a few people leaving the game which isn't that big of a deal. The problem is how on earth is Perdan going to fill that vacuum?
This process of complete annihilation was nice when we had enough people but now we don't. To be honest, I doubt anything we do at this point will change the inevitability of the game's death.
Irrelevant to the matter and I am quite sure you didn't see the treaty offered before Perdan attacked Caligus (and why should you anyway).You can't be sure of anything of the sort. I see all kinds of things because my character asks, as do other characters in my realm. If you're polite and ask nicely, you'd be surprised how much stuff people will pass around.
Many more than you think, your assumptions are wrong.I am not making assumptions about how many old-time characters/players are left in Caligus. I checked. You're describing things that happened before I started playing. There are only four players currently in Caligus that have accounts older than me. One by only two months, so he doesn't count. One of them didn't play on EC that long ago. One didn't play in Caligus that far back. So, only one person currently playing in Caligus was in Caligus during the time period you are describing. And the character they currently play isn't anywhere near old enough to remember that time. That is why your insistence that Caligus return to their old ways is ridiculous. You're demanding that they be something that the people in the realm simply never were.
Assumptions again as far as this situation is concerned.We are both making assumptions. That's the nature of discussing things on the forum, especially when we're talking about the motivations and behaviors of other people.
If you think that killing a realm means that players leave a game, then BM would be dead by now.Are you even paying attention to the current state of the game?
Wars and creation through destruction is the driving force in Battlemaster.
Calling this the direct or indirect reason for dropping player count is absolutely ridiculous.
This war and future wars resulting of this will give EC again some more years of life, I quite am sure about it.
And if you don't like it, then change it. IC.
Instead of coming here and making publically OOC assumptions about things, insulting other players of realms to play the game in an unfriendly way and accusing them for being responsible that players leave the game without even knowing all facts.
And yes, just like humiliation, insults & co are whatever the offended party says it is.No, that's human nature. When you say something, you don't get to control how the other person feels about it, and reacts to it.
That is a shame.
It was quite obvious Caligus would lose to Perdan. Caligus has mountains and wastelands. Perdan has townslands and rurals.
Well that's a bit of an overgeneralization but close enough.
I am not making assumptions about how many old-time characters/players are left in Caligus. I checked. You're describing things that happened before I started playing. There are only four players currently in Caligus that have accounts older than me. One by only two months, so he doesn't count. One of them didn't play on EC that long ago. One didn't play in Caligus that far back. So, only one person currently playing in Caligus was in Caligus during the time period you are describing. And the character they currently play isn't anywhere near old enough to remember that time. That is why your insistence that Caligus return to their old ways is ridiculous. You're demanding that they be something that the people in the realm simply never were.
It's the manner in which these things happen that can cause problems. The insistence on harsh, humiliating terms with no alternatives and no negotiations.
Well, you are still wrong. But I will not reveal you here any IC info that I have on Caligus. I will just tell you that you are wrong.
Atanamir, everything about this particular issue is OOC, not IC. Anything you know that we don't that is IC doesn't change how many people in Caligus actually remember the time period you were describing.
If you have information that changes the equation, then just say it. There's absolutely no reason for you not to.
Ok I will put it this way: it is actually no matter of who was there or not.
It is about if the information was passed on over the generations.
And I know this has happened to some extent, but obviously not to enough people to elect a King who would return to the old policy.
But there are some who'd liked the old Caligus again, and some belong now to Fallangard. Hint, hint.
And there is more to come, but as I said, this would reveal IC info.
I'd like to give you a hint who destroyed Caligus' leadership as well.
Jokes aside, you seem to have a hard time grasping the idea that not all of us have all the information.
Also, you seem want to enforce your way to others. Do try to respect how others play the game. Then again, people don't change over a few months do they?
It's the manner in which these things happen that can cause problems. The insistence on harsh, humiliating terms with no alternatives and no negotiations. Even back in those couple times that Perdan was beaten back to a tiny little realm and forced to surrender, we had the opportunity to negotiate and provide our input, and conduct actual negotiations. and *never* did tell us to switch sides in the war and betray your allies or be destroyed.
Which is the point I'm trying to make. If you really *want* someone to surrender, you need to provide them with terms that are something to which they can actually agree.
No, that's human nature. When you say something, you don't get to control how the other person feels about it, and reacts to it.
I'm not going to comment on the particular terms offered to Caligus (although, from what I've seen, they stood to gain as much land as they'd lost),
I think there many other factors that have allot more influence, like good leadership, a decent number of good active nobles and geographical position of the capitals of the parties involved.This is true. Back during the first Caligus/Perdan war, the two fought to a standstill. Then we had that *long* period of peace, and most of Perdan went inactive. In the second Perdan/Caligus war, Perdan got mercilessly crushed, mostly due to inactive leaders who kept autopausing and generally ignoring the game.
Just rich regions brings you nowhere without nobles that can take estates there, actually recruit and fight battles.
Atanamir, everything about this particular issue is OOC, not IC. Anything you know that we don't that is IC doesn't change how many people in Caligus actually remember the time period you were describing.
If you have information that changes the equation, then just say it. There's absolutely no reason for you not to.
Why would he reveal information on forum that is IC?
Atanamir, everything about this particular issue is OOC, not IC. Anything you know that we don't that is IC doesn't change how many people in Caligus actually remember the time period you were describing.
If you have information that changes the equation, then just say it. There's absolutely no reason for you not to.
I neither know nor care.
Now, if you'll actually go back and read my post, you'll see that I stated clearly that the only information being asked of him—the information that he was claiming he didn't want to give—was OOC.
The difference now among Sirion and Perdan is that we don't try to govern the entire continent and impose our way to play the game as the only way to play Battlemaster nor we try to impose our vision as the only vision to save the game.
Yes, we will see in the end. And don't try to deceive me, if you want to deceive yourself, this is another question. Every realm in the south will think a thousand times before do something just because of their fear to have Perdan entering their wars and deciding the champions. We saw this even here in the north when Nivemus decided to make their war against OI alone and Perdan took advantage of it to keep your player base busy. The same will happen with every southern realm in any war they decide to fight. They are the small weak realms trying to survive and trying to make war without wake up Perdan. If they do, they will be changed for another small realm... deceive these players with positions is just an illusion.
But if they decided for it, they will have to deal with their choices. This is not what we intend to do in the north.
People are so interested in trying to divide Sirion into new realms that's no matter who has to be destroyed in the process. Obviously, these same people who think that would be more fun to create new realms in Sirion has a very limited vision of their own experiences, saying that this is the best scenario for the development of the game when it's a bunch of bull!@#$. These new realms are nothing more than a distraction to Perdan, who eventually will turn in them, not to make the game more fun to the players, but certainly more fun for the people in Perdan and just it. They are realms without history and without possibility to make a history - they will disappear in no time to give the place to another dull realm intended for the same purpose: to ensure the fun of a small group at the expense of a larger group.IMO, the game is more fun when there are ore realms. Super-realms like the current incarnations of Perdan and Sirion have an overwhelming and overshadowing effect on the entire island. Realms near them afraid to make any moves for fear of the big guy getting involved. Small realms that are friendly with the big realms use that friendly relationship as a bludgeon to push around the other small realms.
Why create a lot of client estates just to turn on them and to secure the fun just to the small group of always the same people!? It's a problem when the wars in game begin to be justified by unilateral visions of players that think their solutions are the best solutions for an entire continent.In a way, I agree with you on this. If half the people on an island get together OOC and lay out the way the continent should be, then try to implement it IC, that's bad. But Perdan *does* have IC motivation to beat on Perdan. Hell, four years or so ago, as ruler of Perdan, I sent Perdan marching to war with the explicit intention of breaking up Sirion. Why? So that we could crush their power block and reduce their influence on island politics. Perdan wanted to be top dog. The same thing is still occurring today. Sirion and Perdan are the mega-powers of the island. It's only natural for Perdan to want to bust up Sirion.
In the end, people will seek Sirion or the south, following their right to play the game as they want without the intervention of people that think this or that way is the best to save EC while we continue losing players instead of attract new ones. Then, instead of saying that this way is better for the game, let's be honest and say that this is the best scenario for Perdan. If the players in the north had the same thought, revolts, rebellions and other aspects of the game would have dictated changes. Perdan will not dictate this changes here nor its players will bring changes to the northern mindset.Again, IMO, busting up the large mega-powers on EC would be great for the game. Unfortunately, I don't think we have the player base to support it anymore. They current aggregation of realms into fewer-but-larger realms is a direct result of the lowered player count.
However, Sirion is the example for stagnation in the north of EC.Sirion and Perdan both stagnate their ends of the island, but in different ways. Sirion has chose to occupy the land on their own. Perdan has chosen to replace their enemies with friendly/client states.
When I started the game more than 9 years ago, on the current lands of Sirion (and Nivemus) were 9 realms.
Now there are only 2, say 3 if we add Westmoor to it. The islands didn't exist back then.
Now the key question: How many were in the south back then and how many do we have now?
2004 there were 7 realms in the south. 2013 there are 6 realms and only 2 of them are original realms of back then, 3 if you count Fallangard as original realm.
We can therefore say that the south remained realmwise stable despite many wars ravaging it while the north walks towards a dead end.
So, where do you think it was funnier to play?! In the north? In the south?Different people have fun with different things. The south is not the perfect mecca for people wanting to have fun. I know plenty of people unhappy with the situation in the south, and plenty of people happy with the north. Different strokes for different folks.
More realms mean more chances and quests for players.More realms by itself mean nothing. What good are more realms if those realms can't do anything by themselves, but are forced to walk a line dictated by someone else or else get destroyed? Living in a gilded cage is still living in a cage.
That again attracts more interest to play BM.
Like when Nivemus got once a Anti-Sirion ruler and Erik wrote me that he will replace the realm?!
Perdan just wants to fight the next best opponent and with Ibby gone well the largest opponent is Sirion.
Atanamir vs Hostanimir, now that would be cool!
Since I doubt Sirion can be destroyed, Perdan will always have Sirion as traget as Sirion will always have Perdan as well. It's hard to see one of the two realms (or the two) entirely destroyed. It's more likely to see them losing lands just to recover it after more changes around.
Sirion took Oligarch just in the past months after a war we fought, unh... years ago. But we did and I believe if the people in power continues around, the same will happen again and again.
Argh... nothing in a game with so many people can be cool when it happens among two chars of the same palyer.
Remember, I had a hand in creating some of that dominance, too.
* Eponllyn is smaller than Itorunt.
* Perleone is smaller than Ibladesh.
* Fallangard was, up until last week, smaller than Yssaria.
* Ubent is completely gone.
* Perdan is 7 or 8 regions larger than it used to be.
More realms by itself mean nothing. What good are more realms if those realms can't do anything by themselves, but are forced to walk a line dictated by someone else or else get destroyed? Living in a gilded cage is still living in a cage.
How likley will Perdan cede one of their duchies, like Ubent?
Especially with the coming economy changes, Ubent would be rich enough on its own and intrestingly located.
Perhaps after Sirion is beaten the only challange left for Perdan is Perdan?
Atanamir vs Hostanimir, now that would be cool!
In 2004:You're going 2 years farther back than I go. That was far enough back that the game was still small, before it got big. There's gotta be, what, 10 players that could remember that? And I bet several of them don't remember that, because they didn't/don't play on EC. The region borders ow are much different than they were when I started in '06.
Eponllyn is exactly on the lands of Itorunt (+ Betholm. :P)
Perleone is exactly on the lands of Ibladesg (- Betholm).
Fallangard is about to become Yssaria again.
Ubent is gone yes, the only realm missing in the south.
And well Caligus...we will see.
Perdan is +6 actually. And those regions are the poorest.
You're going 2 years farther back than I go. That was far enough back that the game was still small, before it got big. There's gotta be, what, 10 players that could remember that? And I bet several of them don't remember that, because they didn't/don't play on EC. The region borders ow are much different than they were when I started in '06.
You're going 2 years farther back than I go. That was far enough back that the game was still small, before it got big. There's gotta be, what, 10 players that could remember that? And I bet several of them don't remember that, because they didn't/don't play on EC. The region borders ow are much different than they were when I started in '06.
But like I said, realm counts don't tell the whole story. Nowhere near. The north may be short a few realms, but several of those that you are quoting were one or two region realms that were mostly powerless, and didn't last very long because of it. There were only one or two (Rancagua and Avamar maybe?) that really lasted.
Eponllyn is exactly on the lands of Itorunt (+ Betholm. :P) - Xavax and Enubec.
Perleone is exactly on the lands of Ibladesh (- Betholm). + Xavax and Enubec.
Carry on.
Sirion wont be destroyed, but it can be beaten.
The game was still small and it was possible to have many realms and have game fun.BattleMaster was a completely different game back then. Such comparisons are practically invalid.
I remember players back then whining when more players came and gold ressources had to be shared and individual units getting smaller.
Now we are like back then and people complain that we are so few.
But look at EC, it is really funny again to have 150+ men units and be able to easily afford them.Unfortunately, the game is not really built to support that. I'm not making any claims as to whether that's good or bad. Just sayin'...
Makes the battle experience even better.
BattleMaster was a completely different game back then. Such comparisons are practically invalid.
I remember telling me about how their realm back then had 3 people in it.
Strange Tidings (just in)
Those lesser nobles that control the day to day lives of peasants have become unsettled over the last few days. They have received reports of a strange travelling couple, in numbers increasing by the hour.
The woman is reportedly homely, but pleasant and earthy. Those who have seen her report, absurdly, that she glows, and that to have her gaze fall upon you is to feel the warmth of life.
The man is described as nondescript, neither handsome nor ugly, and when he speaks, his voice seems to remind the listener of a close friend or relative. He exudes an aura of infinite patience, and those who met his eyes claim they felt their very soul bend.
Against all reason, they have been sighted in locations all around the realm, seemingly at the same time. Obviously, no reasonable person believes these reports.
Caligula is bleeding regions.
Whooooooo hoooooo!! Finish them off Perdan. ;D
Edit: first post of the new year in the East Island section.
Caligus should just be done with it and survive with Fontan and surrounding regions. Perdan is too strong.But then Caligus realm is not called Caligus but Fontan! What kind of magic is this :P
Ya hear that. Ask for peace!
With some hope they will join Sirion so we can show to the "humans" how stupid they can be...
They could well just fight to the end and join Sirion and boost Sirion's noble count by 20. That would beef up the realm with at least 10-15k CS. Couldn't hurt to have 50k mobile CS.
...so much about the true nature of land and noble grabbing by Sirion...*cough*imperialists*cough*...
Well, when you're forcing the destruction of a realm, Sirion doesn't really have to even try. So honestly it's Perdan's fault if they do go to Sirion.
Lot of Sirion Nobility speak *coughs*
I'm more concerned with an useless guild of 36 people. I thought for a moment that the ECDA would serve for something, but it's useless. East Continent serves only to have some median wars and to continue feeding the dream of the same five or four people seeking for the same revenge. If you want to roleplay, better to find another place.
I'm trying. But as it seems, nobody cares to Erik taking his own daughter as wife. Also, I can write many RPs as I always did, but it's to play with myself. People are just giving their names, joining the guild and then... nothing. RP is a road of two ways. We have the place, have the people... but just it. Really, it's just a skeleton without soul. They just talk when there is some political implication and the guild is not for that at all. I don't need 36 people just to see Atanamir and Erik provoking each other.
We still don't have any branche in Caligus or Nivemus.Wait... what? ECDA? My character Brock appears in its message even though he not a member, wow cool 8)
Also the ECDA is the skeleton for RP, that was its purpose, you have to use it if you want to achieve something through it.
Don't expect that ECDA will make things for you... lol
And I can't help if Erik's princess died away... :(
About the ECDA:
I fully understand that people have little time do enjoy good narratives. I was lucky in the past to find many people to interact. Now, it's hard to find... I also have less time now to engage the entire social life of my characters. But if we have so many people inside the guild... and now 36 people are a lot of people, you'll expect that they will want and expect some kind of interaction. This is not what I'm seeing. And that's not because I'm talking about Erik... or about Atanamir... but I expected they would want to show themselves in some way. In theory, with so many new realms... in "place" where you can drink and talk to each other! I'm not talking just about the "Roleplay message". Many times a good talk is much better.
That was one hell of a battle. And guess who wounded the big boy.Sir Atanamir of Umbar, Banker of Perdan, Royal of Perdan, Duke of Aix, Margrave of Aix has been wounded by Domusian Guards (58). 8)
Too bad Sirion's general died but it is always fun to see people die.
Sir Atanamir of Umbar, Banker of Perdan, Royal of Perdan, Duke of Aix, Margrave of Aix has been wounded by Actron's Guard (48).
The funniest was the General sending a Roleplay like: "Damn... I cannot send a letter like this"... and died just after.
Indeed.
The Council is worried with Erik declaring himself King of Avamar and his daughter/wife as his Queen... they need to see Atanamir speaking in name of the "Southern Alliance" as their leader. LOL. Also, a Doomed shield is a terrible gift!!!
Come and burn it, then! LOL. The challenge was been made, in Avamar and also in Trinbar, were the walls are just level 2. 8)
And you don't need to lie to me. Erik spoke for Sirion. Atanamir is speaking for the SA. Much more than the King of Perdan and any other of the SA. What makes me wonder... why so many kings is following one man. They're supposed to be kings, you know. Because of that Erik claims to be Sultan-es-Selatin, or even King of Kings, because he speak like one. Many people doesn't like it. Then, why so many Kings are letting Atanamir speak in behalf of the SA almost alone? As the poet said in Stairway to Heaven, "it makes me wonder" ::)
I don't like to take care of items anymore... the last one was +12 Prestige and +9 Infiltration. Remember to not send me some crap! I'm celebrating a wedding and someone have to die :-\
Come and burn it, then! LOL. The challenge was been made, in Avamar and also in Trinbar, were the walls are just level 2. 8)
And you don't need to lie to me. Erik spoke for Sirion. Atanamir is speaking for the SA. Much more than the King of Perdan and any other of the SA. What makes me wonder... why so many kings is following one man. They're supposed to be kings, you know. Because of that Erik claims to be Sultan-es-Selatin, or even King of Kings, because he speak like one. Many people doesn't like it. Then, why so many Kings are letting Atanamir speak in behalf of the SA almost alone? As the poet said in Stairway to Heaven, "it makes me wonder" ::)
I don't like to take care of items anymore... the last one was +12 Prestige and +9 Infiltration. Remember to not send me some crap! I'm celebrating a wedding and someone have to die :-\
But Fallangard definitely has its own agenda, as well as agendas of individuals in Fallangard.
But Fallangard definitely has its own agenda, as well as agendas of individuals in Fallangard.
Ok then Perdan governs them all.
If thats the only thing you want to hear.
What other natural/direct neighbours did fallangard have apart from armonia and Caligus?
What other more natural enemy then caligus could Fallangard, who ceded from Caligus with old key figures of Yssria, have then?
Sirion became an enemy of Falllangard after it attacked and looted its lands.
Sirion on the otherhand came all the way from the north to start a war with a realm fighting its natural neighbours.
Sirion made peace with all its neighbours.
With Caligus gone, Fallangard could travel far north to fight Sirion.
Ok then Perdan governs them all.
If thats the only thing you want to hear.
Sirion on the otherhand came all the way from the north to start a war with a realm fighting its natural neighbours.
Sirion made peace with all its natural neighbours.
Fallangard will eventually get itchy for reall war again.
Perhaps Perleone, Epponlyn or even Perdan or Caligus again.
Go go Erik secede your Duchy before we come and burn it lol. ;)I foresee a new realm going be born soon; but the war somehow gets in the way.
I have 5-6 unique items, I maybe send you another one, still deciding about it, but some are on repairs still. ;)
And SA has no leader. :P
SA if something he made up so, yeah he speaks for it, surprised?Your character Brutus letters are very long. My eyes are burnt each time I read them :P
It doesn't mean he speaks for the realms involved, they still have their own agenda.
Atanamir does not speak as SA leader.Agree with you on this one. I keep seeing Atanamir messages with "we..." ::)
He never says, "I offer you peace" but "we offer you peace" if you care to read his letters more precisely. :P
He always asks for permission from Nightmare, Edvard and Nigel and coordinates before he writes such messages.
You could say he is the press spokesperson of the SA. :D
But he is not the leader.
Atanamir does not speak as SA leader.
He never says, "I offer you peace" but "we offer you peace" if you care to read his letters more precisely. :P
He always asks for permission from Nightmare, Edvard and Nigel and coordinates before he writes such messages.
You could say he is the press spokesperson of the SA. :D
But he is not the leader.
How would the average person realise that the use of "we" meant others were involved in the decision and not a case of someone using the "royal we"
Because others end up doing what the person in question said "we'll do". Either they were part of the decision, or he is powerful enough to make them follow; the result is the same.
Of course it's powerful rethoric; the use of the plural itself serves to cement the group, not only in the eyes of its enemies but internally too.
Um sure, but the point was that people were supposed to understand that the use of "We" implied a decision process and not case of vassal states doing as they are told. As you have stated unless you are part of the process it is not enough in itself to provide that meaning.
Guess who is the new general of Caligus 8)
I don't have time for this...