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Title: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Frostwood on June 26, 2013, 08:09:43 PM
A thread to discuss the World War that is breaking out on Dwilight.  It may seem dramatic, but I think the name is appropriate, unless someone has a better name.

If anyone wants to write a description of their realm and why they are joining/supporting post or message hear and I will update it. 

Note that some of these descriptions may be a little biased.

Magna Saecularibus Alliance:

Niselur:A reborn realm that is still wild and untamed.  Led by King Leopold and his loyal, but free-speaking nobles, this realm has become the lightning rod of the current conflict.  Started this conflict due to the appearance of corruption between the elder council and the decision to become a monarchy. This conflict will either define its identity or it will be destroyed.

Phantaria

Asylon:A savage realm with religious freedom, allowing any faith to be practiced within its border and defend the faithfulls right to do so, the home of the Bloodmoon Cult and known for its "odd" ways that seem very strange to non-Asylonians. A realm lead by King Grimrog and his council that with their elective Monarchy has shaped an old small colony into a mighty bear, awoken from slumber to reclaim territories lost. Warpainted Berserkers, Spearwielding Savages, Mounted Knights and Rough Rangers makes up Asylons army, a horde with little discipline known for raiding and hit and run tactics.

Libero Empire
Farronite Republic
Luria Nova:A realm filled with nobles that each have their own "plan". Plans have joined and split in the past but under Alice Luria Nova at least appears rather united; perhaps now plans are on the same line which causes this momentum for Luria.

Bloodstar Alliance

Astrum
Morek Empire
Corsanctum
Terran The formation of the Theocracy of Terran was one of the key incidents which lead to the war. The realm of Terran was ravaged by invasion from Aurvandil. Its capital was besieged for weeks. In response the realms of Phantaria and Saffalore became independent realms to avoid similar devastation. In the aftermath Hireshmont II Vellos attempted to save Terran's one remaining duchy by reforming it as a theocracy and begging the aid of the Astrocrasies. Though it was a hotly debated issue ultimately the Regent and Prophet of Sanguis Astroism decided to call a crusade in the defense of Terran. Although King Leopold of Niselur remained silent during the debate he renounced the crusade once it was called and claimed his realm would not participate. He would later contradict Prophet Mathurin himself by claiming the conflict was not holy. The council was outraged and began discussing punishments for Leopold's act of impiety. Leopold would ultimately claim this incident as a major motivation for his betrayal of the Northern Astroist Federation. Meanwhile hostilities between Terran and its neighbors continued to simmer. Military leaders expect a joint Phantarian and Farronite invasion in the near future.

Neutrals
D'Hara
Swordfell
Barca:a frontier realm, with a large population of young new nobles and a core of older players whom have been part of the realm since the start. The realm is poor and used to hardship, but from this Barca has only grown stronger and stronger.
Aurvandil
Saffalore
Grand Duchy of Fissoa

If there is any inaccuracies let me know and I will correct them.

Current news: Niselur captures Zereth.


Magna Saecularibus Alliance:132,791 CS/49938 gold

Niselur-20,528 CS/9701 gold
Phantaria-12,124 CS/2460 gold
Asylon-22,128 CS/9707 gold
Libero Empire-17,160 CS/4504 gold
Farronite Republic-19,149 CS/5820 gold
Luria Nova-41,702 CS/17746 gold

Bloodstar Alliance 145616 CS/49988 gold
Astrum-56,313 CS/15480 gold
Morek Empire-42,968 CS/15385 gold
D'Hara-23,757 CS/9385 gold
Corsanctum-15,980 CS/7956 gold
Terran-6,598 CS/1782 gold

Neutrals 79935 CS/21994 gold
Swordfell-7,415/5291 gold
Barca-14,260/4908 gold
Aurvandil-27,068/5323 gold
Grand Duchy of Fissoa-25,092/6472 gold
Title: Re: Dwilight World War I
Post by: Fleugs on June 26, 2013, 08:20:34 PM
Loving the idea of the thread!
Title: Re: Dwilight World War I
Post by: Wolfang on June 26, 2013, 08:27:38 PM
Great topic Frostwood :)
Title: Re: Dwilight World War I
Post by: Daimall on June 26, 2013, 08:29:08 PM
Isn't technically a Continental war? Last I check Dwilight did not encompass the whole of Battlemaster's existence.
Title: Re: Dwilight World War I
Post by: Perth on June 26, 2013, 08:29:57 PM
Isn't technically a Continental war? Last I check Dwilight did not encompass the whole of Battlemaster's existence.

Good point.
Title: Re: Dwilight World War I
Post by: Wolfang on June 26, 2013, 08:32:12 PM
The Continental War sounds ok I guess.
Title: Re: Dwilight World War I
Post by: Frostwood on June 26, 2013, 08:35:00 PM
Good point.
Stop destroying the drama :) Continental War doesn't sound as good, and names are everything.

Like for instance Veal-it would be a lot less popular if we started calling it baby cow.

Current news:Alliances are being rewritten and wars are breaking out at a dizzying rate.
Title: Re: Dwilight World War I
Post by: Lorgan on June 26, 2013, 08:37:59 PM
Mmmmm... baby cow..
Title: Re: Dwilight World War I
Post by: Wolfang on June 26, 2013, 08:38:28 PM
Maybe you can put a mini-flag beside the name of each realm.  :D
Title: Re: Dwilight World War I
Post by: Shizzle on June 26, 2013, 08:38:57 PM
I would prefer Continental War as well. It's irrational and perhaps indefensible, but I feel WWI is disrespectful.

Edit: disregard. Saw it was changed :)

Also, CW is indeed kind of long. How about The First Great War? First War of Dwilight? Or perhaps we should wait until something actually happens before naming anything.. our characters can't really be talking of DCW1, can they?

Edit 2: disregard. Issue addressed below :P
Title: Re: Dwilight Continental War I
Post by: Daimall on June 26, 2013, 08:44:45 PM
If we really must go with grandiose names, we could always just call it, the Great War like what the people used to call WWI back then (before WWII broke out).
Title: Re: Dwilight Continental War I
Post by: Perth on June 26, 2013, 08:47:14 PM
Continental War for now, and then we'll see if any IC, IG name garners common use. Likely different names being used for by both sides of the conflict.
Title: Re: Dwilight Continental War I
Post by: Sacha on June 26, 2013, 08:47:54 PM
The Star War.
Title: Re: Dwilight World War I
Post by: Frostwood on June 26, 2013, 08:48:36 PM
I would prefer Continental War as well. It's irrational and perhaps indefensible, but I feel WWI is disrespectful.
It seems that public opinion is against me, so I will change it.

I will post public ruler messages for those realms that rulers do not communicate with nobles often and those nobles who are from outside Dwilight looking for realms to join.

I do so, because when I joined BM as a new player I looked through forum and wiki threads to see what realm would be interesting, and which would support the way I wanted my characters to go.

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Letter from Leopold Arrakis   (1 hour, 34 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (15 recipients)
Rulers of the world,

On this day, the Kingdom of Niselur rises to meet the challenge of the theocracies. The failure of any of these to acknowledge the rightful Niselurian proclamation of a monarchy and a preparation of a crusade against my Kingdom has alienated our relations to a point of war. The continuing support of the theocracies for the craven politics of the Church Elders, failure to muster courage to defy the chains of artificialities of the Charter, bullying and oppression are the charges I put forward against my enemies. From the perspective of the monarchic government of Niselur, this is a dangerous position we find ourselves in and as such we are compelled to act.

Leopold Arrakis
King of Niselur

Letter from Kale Perth   (1 hour, 14 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (15 recipients)
Rulers of Dwilight,

The Grand Principality of Phantaria has suffered from the same opportunistic, lack of apolitical attitude from the Church of Sanguis Astroism. Thus, the Grand Principality sees King Leopold of Niselur acting in our interests and we have diplomatically aligned ourselves with him to reflect that.

Furthermore, we shall immediately take action against Alaster Kabrinski in Terran who has made it well known that he does not respect nor recognize the Phantaro-Theocratic Accord. He has jeopardized the peace between our realms as well as refused to recognize the benefits granted to the Grand Principality under the said Accord. Thus, we shall now refuse to recognize the benefits granted unto Alaster Kabrinski and his Theocracy under the said Accord and shall resume the war against them.

Kale Perth
Grand Prince of Phantaria

Letter from Eviera Lanze   (36 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (15 recipients)
Rulers of Dwilight,

Though I have shared some brief discussions of peace with King Veles and find him to be an honorable man, the reasons for the Morek Empire's war with the Libero Empire are too many to count.

1) Relations between our realms have soured steadily so since long before I became Grandmistress.
2) Though King Veles has been quick to resolve the many transgressions between Libero Troops in Morek Lands, the fact is that these transgressions have continued for far too long and the nobles of the Morek Empire have been demanding punishment for a great length of time.
3) Niselur has allegiance with various realms recently indicate that Niselur intends to corner off and surround the Morek Empire and her allies.  War would only be a pre-emptive measure of defense on Morek's part.
4) The Libero Empire is a vassal state of Niselur.  Niselur declared war on the Morek Empire and her allies, so by default, Morek's official declaration of war against the Libero Empire is at hand.

The Morek Empire will not be contained or repressed, though attempts to seek peaceful resolutions have been attempted, it seems only myself and King Veles made any honest efforts to obtain it.
I am deeply saddened that this will undoubtedly stain my relationship with the good King Veles, but it is unfortunately an inevitability at this time.
So, there are my reasons for the war, though I am sure plenty of you will find your own truth/excuses for it regardless.

Eviera Lanze
Grandmistress of Morek Empire

Letter from Alice Arundel   (just in)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (15 recipients)
Rulers of Dwilight,

Luria Nova, being an ally of Niselur's, hereby declares war against the Morek Empire and her allies. Formal declarations will be issued over the next few days.

Beyond supporting our ally in the northwest, Luria is fed up with Morek's attempts to curb the former's development and prosperity in Lower Toprak. It seems more than apparent that Morek is the continent's bully, and now her victims rise up against her.

Let there be justice in the name of the stars.

For the Golden Eagle,

Alice Arundel
Queen of Luria Nova
Royal of Luria Nova
Duchess of Giask
Viscountess of Herle

Title: Re: Dwilight Continental War I
Post by: Frostwood on June 26, 2013, 08:51:35 PM
How about:
Great Dwilight War I

Title: Re: Dwilight Continental War I
Post by: Fleugs on June 26, 2013, 08:54:08 PM
I would describe Luria as a realm filled with nobles that each have their own "plan". Plans have joined and split in the past but under Alice Luria Nova at least appears rather united; perhaps now plans are on the same line which causes this momentum for Luria.

Then again I'm still rather new to understand what Luria Nova is, and there are many players vocal on the forum who have plenty of Lurian experience. I'd love to hear them describe Luria.

Oh and as Luria's general, I welcome D'Hara to attempt a landing.  8)
Title: Re: Dwilight Continental War I
Post by: Perth on June 26, 2013, 08:55:22 PM
How about:
Great Dwilight War I

Drop the number. There is no reason to number it until there is a second one.
Title: Re: Dwilight Continental War I
Post by: Sarwell on June 26, 2013, 08:57:11 PM
I think it qualifies as a "world war" if the real-world World War I did. Let's be honest, that was mostly just Europe's continental war, but it got the "World" title. And "continental war" just sounds bad.
Title: Re: Dwilight Continental War I
Post by: Fleugs on June 26, 2013, 08:58:26 PM
I think it qualifies as a "world war" if the real-world World War I did. Let's be honest, that was mostly just Europe's continental war, but it got the "World" title. And "continental war" just sounds bad.

Are you implying that other continents matter? Heresy! I smell rebellious colonies.
Title: Re: Dwilight Continental War I
Post by: Shizzle on June 26, 2013, 08:59:21 PM
Drop the number. There is no reason to number it until there is a second one.

Exactly. I like the name, though - for OOC usage. There's no reason for our characters to assume this is a Great War just yet :)

Also thanks for sharing the messages from the Ruler channel, as I didn't read them before. Maybe this thread could keep on providing such information? Also the newspaper format, that has largely died out on the Wiki I believe, might be an interesting take on the thing..
Title: Re: Dwilight Continental War I
Post by: Frostwood on June 26, 2013, 09:09:14 PM
Exactly. I like the name, though - for OOC usage. There's no reason for our characters to assume this is a Great War just yet :)

Also thanks for sharing the messages from the Ruler channel, as I didn't read them before. Maybe this thread could keep on providing such information? Also the newspaper format, that has largely died out on the Wiki I believe, might be an interesting take on the thing..
As long as King Leopold keeps posting ruler channel messages, which he usually does to keep the realm informed and active.  I would prefer all game messages to be in code to prevent them from taking up pages and pages.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Wolfang on June 26, 2013, 09:13:30 PM
You should also drop the 'Dwilight' part in the name, as this goes without saying.

Barca could be described as a frontier realm, with a large population of young new nobles and a core of older players whom have been part of the realm since the start. The realm is poor and used to hardship, but from this Barca has only grown stronger and stronger.

Maybe Julius or Bael could post what they think.

What are 'ruler channel' messages?

Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: pcw27 on June 26, 2013, 09:15:25 PM
Terran: The formation of the Theocracy of Terran was one of the key incidents which lead to the war. The realm of Terran was ravaged by invasion from Aurvandil. Its capital was besieged for weeks. In response the realms of Phantaria and Saffalore became independent realms to avoid similar devastation. In the aftermath Hireshmont II Vellos attempted to save Terran's one remaining duchy by reforming it as a theocracy and begging the aid of the Astrocrasies. Though it was a hotly debated issue ultimately the Regent and Prophet of Sanguis Astroism decided to call a crusade in the defense of Terran. Although King Leopold of Niselur remained silent during the debate he renounced the crusade once it was called and claimed his realm would not participate. He would later contradict Prophet Mathurin himself by claiming the conflict was not holy. The council was outraged and began discussing punishments for Leopold's act of impiety. Leopold would ultimately claim this incident as a major motivation for his betrayal of the Northern Astroist Federation. Meanwhile hostilities between Terran and its neighbors continued to simmer. Military leaders expect a joint Phantarian and Farronite invasion in the near future.

Title: Re: Dwilight Continental War I
Post by: Dishman on June 26, 2013, 09:23:25 PM
So, lets armchair general on this Great War: These are the available numbers

Magna Saecularibus Alliance:132,791 CS/49938 gold

Niselur-20,528 CS/9701 gold
Phantaria-12,124 CS/2460 gold
Asylon-22,128 CS/9707 gold
Libero Empire-17,160 CS/4504 gold
Farronite Republic-19,149 CS/5820 gold
Luria Nova-41,702 CS/17746 gold

Bloodstar Alliance 145616 CS/49988 gold
Astrum-56,313 CS/15480 gold
Morek Empire-42,968 CS/15385 gold
D'Hara-23,757 CS/9385 gold
Corsanctum-15,980 CS/7956 gold
Terran-6,598 CS/1782 gold

Neutrals 79935 CS/21994 gold
Swordfell-7,415/5291 gold
Barca-14,260/4908 gold
Aurvandil-27,068/5323 gold
Grand Duchy of Fissoa-25,092/6472 gold

So if we look at what capitals are nearest each other, we can group together potential conflicts:

Luria Stage
Luria-D'Hara-Swordfell-Fissoa-Aurvandil

Libero Stage
Libero-Morek-Astrum-Corsanctum-Nisular

Nisular Stage
Nisular-Astrum-Farronite-Asylon

Phantaria Stage
Phantaria-Terran-Asylon-Farronite-D'Hara-Barca-Aurvandil
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Arrakis on June 26, 2013, 09:25:51 PM
It is Niselur, not Nisular.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Geronus on June 26, 2013, 09:26:33 PM
The reality is that Corsanctum will probably aid Astrum throughout the conflict. Morek can handle anything coming its way with ease. Astrum on the other hand has some real strategic problems right now.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Lorgan on June 26, 2013, 09:29:56 PM
It is Niselur, not Nisular.

Moar name fights!!!
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: pcw27 on June 26, 2013, 09:32:38 PM
Are we sure D'Hara is on the Astroist side?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Frostwood on June 26, 2013, 09:36:13 PM
Terran: The formation of the Theocracy of Terran was one of the key incidents which lead to the war. The realm of Terran was ravaged by invasion from Aurvandil. Its capital was besieged for weeks. In response the realms of Phantaria and Saffalore became independent realms to avoid similar devastation. In the aftermath Hireshmont II Vellos attempted to save Terran's one remaining duchy by reforming it as a theocracy and begging the aid of the Astrocrasies. Though it was a hotly debated issue ultimately the Regent and Prophet of Sanguis Astroism decided to call a crusade in the defense of Terran. Although King Leopold of Niselur remained silent during the debate he renounced the crusade once it was called and claimed his realm would not participate. He would later contradict Prophet Mathurin himself by claiming the conflict was not holy. The council was outraged and began discussing punishments for Leopold's act of impiety. Leopold would ultimately claim this incident as a major motivation for his betrayal of the Northern Astroist Federation. Meanwhile hostilities between Terran and its neighbors continued to simmer. Military leaders expect a joint Phantarian and Farronite invasion in the near future.
Could you reduce the size somewhat, I wanted soundbites.  Terran, Luria Nova, and Barca descriptions have been added. 

Ruler channel is like the realm channel, but for rulers, as I am not a ruler, I don't know much about it.

Dishman number breakdowns will be added.  Looks like we are pretty evenly matched on the surface.

Are we sure D'Hara is on the Astroist side?
For now I assume so, unless D'Hara gathers the neutrals into its own alliance.  If any D'Harians object I will put them to netural status.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Perth on June 26, 2013, 09:36:21 PM
Are we sure D'Hara is on the Astroist side?


Very well may happen, but it's definitely premature to list them already.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: pcw27 on June 26, 2013, 09:38:20 PM
Also are Asylon and Farronite republics officially siding with Leopold. I know we were all expecting it but I hadn't seen a confirmation yet.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Frostwood on June 26, 2013, 09:42:38 PM
Also are Asylon and Farronite republics officially siding with Leopold. I know we were all expecting it but I hadn't seen a confirmation yet.
King Leopold has been cultivating close relations with Asylon for some time.  You could say that we are best friends right now.

Farronite Republic's allegiance could change based on who's elected.  But I am not quite informed of their internal politics.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: pcw27 on June 26, 2013, 09:44:23 PM
Yeah Khari likes to be cryptic.
Title: Re: Dwilight Continental War I
Post by: JeVondair on June 26, 2013, 10:14:21 PM
So, lets armchair general on this Great War: These are the available numbers

Magna Saecularibus Alliance:132,791 CS/49938 gold

Niselur-20,528 CS/9701 gold
Phantaria-12,124 CS/2460 gold
Asylon-22,128 CS/9707 gold
Libero Empire-17,160 CS/4504 gold
Farronite Republic-19,149 CS/5820 gold
Luria Nova-41,702 CS/17746 gold

Bloodstar Alliance 145616 CS/49988 gold
Astrum-56,313 CS/15480 gold
Morek Empire-42,968 CS/15385 gold
D'Hara-23,757 CS/9385 gold
Corsanctum-15,980 CS/7956 gold
Terran-6,598 CS/1782 gold


So if we look at what capitals are nearest each other, we can group together potential conflicts:

Luria Stage
Luria-D'Hara-Swordfell-Fissoa-Aurvandil



Umm, does D'Hara know about this? Also, The likelihood of a D'Hara-FR throwdown is exactly zilch.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Wolfang on June 26, 2013, 10:18:21 PM
The war does not seem to have two clear-cut sides, but rather, several separate theaters of war.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Vita` on June 26, 2013, 10:19:26 PM
Must every war be the 'great' war? If BM keeps insisting on naming every war as 'great' then none can truly be judged as great. I can only count one 'great' war and that was the EC war that raged from 2004 to 2007, saw multiple realm deaths, the birth of new realms (some of which died along the way), repeated rebellions to switch sides, various intrigues, and was truly great.

Not to mention 'great' is such a bland adjective. Wars' names are best chosen in hindsight anyway, when the historians analyze them.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: pcw27 on June 26, 2013, 10:22:18 PM
The war does not seem to have two clear-cut sides, but rather, several separate theaters of war.

I agree that it's split into several theaters but I disagree that you can't divide it into two sides. Just about every power has forged an alliance with Leopold or with the Astrocracies. Again it's not so different from WWI with the Allied and Central powers broken in to different theaters of war with their own prerogatives and agendas.

Must every war be the 'great' war? If BM keeps insisting on naming every war as 'great' then none can truly be judged as great. I can only count one 'great' war and that was the EC war that raged from 2004 to 2007, saw multiple realm deaths, the birth of new realms (some of which died along the way), repeated rebellions to switch sides, various intrigues, and was truly great.

Not to mention 'great' is such a bland adjective. Wars' names are best chosen in hindsight anyway, when the historians analyze them.

Yeah "great" is a little bland at least by itself it is. There doesn't need to be one name for the war, It's often the case that a name is chosen after the fact and in many cases wars never have one name. For example Japan considers World War II the final stage of "The Imperial Wars".

For the Astroist powers I'd suggest a few names all of which have heavy propaganda purposes of course:

The Final Crusade
The Holy War
The War for the Blood Stars
The War of (Heathen/Heretic/Apostate) Aggression
The War for the Faith of Dwilight

For more politically neutral terms:

The Pan Continental War
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: JeVondair on June 26, 2013, 10:22:42 PM
Must every war be the 'great' war? If BM keeps insisting on naming every war as 'great' then none can truly be judged as great. I can only count one 'great' war and that was the EC war that raged from 2004 to 2007, saw multiple realm deaths, the birth of new realms (some of which died along the way), repeated rebellions to switch sides, various intrigues, and was truly great.

Not to mention 'great' is such a bland adjective. Wars' names are best chosen in hindsight anyway, when the historians analyze them.

War of the Maddening Star?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Sacha on June 26, 2013, 10:28:56 PM
I say again: Star War. And since the whole thing will be several smaller conflicts across Dwilight: Star Wars.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Frostwood on June 26, 2013, 10:34:16 PM
Must every war be the 'great' war? If BM keeps insisting on naming every war as 'great' then none can truly be judged as great. I can only count one 'great' war and that was the EC war that raged from 2004 to 2007, saw multiple realm deaths, the birth of new realms (some of which died along the way), repeated rebellions to switch sides, various intrigues, and was truly great.

Not to mention 'great' is such a bland adjective. Wars' names are best chosen in hindsight anyway, when the historians analyze them.
I agree, the name is just a place holder until stuff happens that defines this war.   Plus as people can see I am bad at naming stuff.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: pcw27 on June 26, 2013, 10:37:41 PM
War of the Maddening Star?

That would be good but it's actually the Austere that's bright.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Shizzle on June 27, 2013, 12:14:55 AM
Ruler channel is like the realm channel, but for rulers, as I am not a ruler, I don't know much about it.

Rulers get all messages directed to the 'send to all rulers' channel. That's it basically, plus a whole lot of secret stuff :)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Vita` on June 27, 2013, 01:58:06 AM
That would be good but it's actually the Austere that's bright.

And the Austere Light that was arrested by a D'hara duke.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: sharkattack on June 27, 2013, 02:10:53 AM
So Astrum+Morek gonna faceroll everyone up North with their 40k+ cs armies?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: JeVondair on June 27, 2013, 02:14:24 AM
So Astrum+Morek gonna faceroll everyone up North with their 40k+ cs armies?

While there is always room for surprises, that does seem to be a very valid prediction. Especially for Morek. How Long would it take Luria Nova to march an army North? How likely is it that they will be able to strongarm their way through Swordfell (Who, btw, is placed in a most unenviable position between the two)?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on June 27, 2013, 02:18:14 AM
I dont think Astrum or Morek can muster 40kcs armies unless they figure out a way to get their militia to march with them. 20k I can see as plausible.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Arundel on June 27, 2013, 02:29:38 AM
The Great Revolt - The Northern Theocracies stood strong and realistically unopposed for a very long time. Yet after a couple failed colonies and several missteps later, half the continent revolts against their influence.

Just an idea :P
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Perth on June 27, 2013, 03:05:51 AM
I dont think Astrum or Morek can muster 40kcs armies unless they figure out a way to get their militia to march with them. 20k I can see as plausible.

Indeed, those numbers are inflated by militia, I believe. The list says Phantaria has 12,000 CS but we certainly do not have that much mobile CS. With militia maybe.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Fanofgaming on June 27, 2013, 03:13:41 AM
As the player of the general of Astrum, I wish somebody would have told me I had over 50,000 CS at my disposal. This war would be a cakewalk if I had known.

Too bad I don't.  :(
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Zakilevo on June 27, 2013, 03:23:58 AM
Most of Astrum's CS comes from militia :p Everyone knows that.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Bjarnson on June 27, 2013, 03:29:00 AM
Asylon - A savage realm with religious freedom, allowing any faith to be practiced within its border and defend the faithfulls right to do so, the home of the Bloodmoon Cult and known for its "odd" ways that seem very strange to non-Asylonians. A realm lead by King Grimrog and his council that with their elective Monarchy has shaped an old small colony into a mighty bear, awoken from slumber to reclaim territories lost. Warpainted Berserkers, Spearwielding Savages, Mounted Knights and Rough Rangers makes up Asylons army, a horde with little discipline known for raiding and hit and run tactics.


Edit.

As you all can see now, Asylon has taken a stand and joined their new friends in Niselur.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Frostwood on June 27, 2013, 03:30:55 AM
I believe that Astrum's movement was sluggish in the last war as well.  That is part of what Niselur is counting on.  The big risk is that wake a sleeping giant.

While there is always room for surprises, that does seem to be a very valid prediction. Especially for Morek. How Long would it take Luria Nova to march an army North? How likely is it that they will be able to strongarm their way through Swordfell (Who, btw, is placed in a most unenviable position between the two)?
Swordfell is going to remain neutral, there is a referendum going on whether to help D'Hara, but apparently it is going to fail.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Jaden on June 27, 2013, 03:52:40 AM
my first war as marshal and it has to be this war... I am !@#$ scared  :'(
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Frostwood on June 27, 2013, 04:16:01 AM
my first war as marshal and it has to be this war... I am !@#$ scared  :'(
Corsanctum, don't worry your realm is low on the target list.  You do have the hardest job mobilizing that nation.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Jaden on June 27, 2013, 04:26:08 AM
We are already mobilised, Corsanctum just doesn't talk much  :-\
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Stabbity on June 27, 2013, 05:19:05 AM
Corsanctum doesn't take much to mobilize. "All five of you who aren't priests get to the capital!" :p
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Wolfsong on June 27, 2013, 05:28:08 AM
...Priests could become -brutal- in this war. Lots of realms following a single religion, lots of realms at war, RTOs...
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Vellos on June 27, 2013, 05:31:36 AM
Name suggestions:

"The Lame War"
"The Unnecessary War"
"The Carefully Engineered War"
"War of Leopoldian Arrogance"

Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Vellos on June 27, 2013, 05:32:22 AM
...Priests could become -brutal- in this war. Lots of realms following a single religion, lots of realms at war, RTOs...

Heh, yeah, not likely. Pretty sure the priesthood is going to be pushing hard for surrender at the first opportunity.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on June 27, 2013, 05:37:39 AM
Any war to bring more regions to Itau is a good war.  ::)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Lefanis on June 27, 2013, 05:40:09 AM
"War of Leopoldian Arrogance"

I like this one  :D
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Lefanis on June 27, 2013, 05:41:33 AM
...Priests could become -brutal- in this war. Lots of realms following a single religion, lots of realms at war, RTOs...
RTOs can only be performed by elders IIRC.  :)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Vellos on June 27, 2013, 05:45:18 AM
RTOs can only be performed by elders IIRC.  :)

errr.... really?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Lefanis on June 27, 2013, 06:20:27 AM
errr.... really?
I believe so. Either that, or full members, but guess who decides the ranks  ::)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Wolfsong on June 27, 2013, 06:26:32 AM
Heh, yeah, not likely. Pretty sure the priesthood is going to be pushing hard for surrender at the first opportunity.

What better way to force everyone to surrender than to utterly wreck everything with RTOs, and have your priest nobles absolutely unaccountable?

"You guys surrender, or we keep this up for months until all that's left is your capital city."
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on June 27, 2013, 06:38:15 AM
Priests can be arrested in failed RTOs as criminals... and then, executed. Sweet.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Zakilevo on June 27, 2013, 06:40:40 AM
Is it just me or the players of characters who talk a lot in game believe this war is lame? ;)

I hope this war becomes the end of SA \o/
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Stabbity on June 27, 2013, 08:00:15 AM
I believe so. Either that, or full members, but guess who decides the ranks  ::)

Guess what character class can't be demoted out of full membership?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on June 27, 2013, 08:17:14 AM
These are all in the Rulers channel, so I do not believe that they are private messages, since they are meant to announce declarations of war. Have fun, I know I will.

Letter from Leopold Arrakis   (11 hours, 19 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (15 recipients)

Rulers of the world,

On this day, the Kingdom of Niselur rises to meet the challenge of the theocracies. The failure of any of these to acknowledge the rightful Niselurian proclamation of a monarchy and a preparation of a crusade against my Kingdom has alienated our relations to a point of war. The continuing support of the theocracies for the craven politics of the Church Elders, failure to muster courage to defy the chains of artificialities of the Charter, bullying and oppression are the charges I put forward against my enemies. From the perspective of the monarchic government of Niselur, this is a dangerous position we find ourselves in and as such we are compelled to act.

For the Golden Rider,
Leopold Arrakis
King of Niselur
Royal of Niselur
Duke of the Golden Throne
Count of Kaigen

Letter from Kale Perth   (10 hours, 59 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (15 recipients)

Rulers of Dwilight,

The Grand Principality of Phantaria has suffered from the same opportunistic, lack of apolitical attitude from the Church of Sanguis Astroism. Thus, the Grand Principality sees King Leopold of Niselur acting in our interests and we have diplomatically aligned ourselves with him to reflect that.

Furthermore, we shall immediately take action against Alaster Kabrinski in Terran who has made it well known that he does not respect nor recognize the Phantaro-Theocratic Accord. He has jeopardized the peace between our realms as well as refused to recognize the benefits granted to the Grand Principality under the said Accord. Thus, we shall now refuse to recognize the benefits granted unto Alaster Kabrinski and his Theocracy under the said Accord and shall resume the war against them.


For the Principality,
Kale Perth
Grand Prince of Phantaria
Royal of Phantaria
Duke of Phantaria
Margrave of Shokalom

Letter from Eviera Lanze   (10 hours, 21 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (15 recipients)

Rulers of Dwilight,

Though I have shared some brief discussions of peace with King Veles and find him to be an honorable man, the reasons for the Morek Empire's war with the Libero Empire are too many to count.

1) Relations between our realms have soured steadily so since long before I became Grandmistress.
2) Though King Veles has been quick to resolve the many transgressions between Libero Troops in Morek Lands, the fact is that these transgressions have continued for far too long and the nobles of the Morek Empire have been demanding punishment for a great length of time.
3) Discussions with King Leopold have proven to be fruitless, he has more or less ignored my attempts to discuss with him the future for the Morek Empire and the Libero Empire, claiming that I only seek to dethrone him by default because of the Morek Empire's government type alone.
4) Niselur has allegiance with various realms recently indicate that Niselur intends to corner off and surround the Morek Empire and her allies.  War would only be a pre-emptive measure of defense on Morek's part.
5) The Libero Empire is a vassal state of Niselur.  Niselur declared war on the Morek Empire and her allies, so by default, Morek's official declaration of war against the Libero Empire is Niselur's doing and Niselur's alone.

The Morek Empire will not be contained or repressed, though attempts to seek peaceful resolutions have been attempted, it seems only myself and King Veles made any honest efforts to obtain it.

I am deeply saddened that this will undoubtedly stain my relationship with the good King Veles, but it is unfortunately an inevitability at this time.

So, there are my reasons for the war, though I am sure plenty of you will find your own truth/excuses for it regardless.

Most Sincerely,
Eviera Lanze
Grandmistress of Morek Empire
Royal of Morek Empire
Duchess of Donghaiwei
Margravine of Donghaiwei

Letter from Veles Sobczek   (9 hours, 55 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (15 recipients)

Rulers of Dwilight,

Yes, we are a vassal state of Niselur - this was an arrangement that was made simply because Morek's previous Grandmaster forced us into it. Still, this is the agreement we made and Liberites honor their pledges.

It a shame that this war pits Astroist against Astroist.

Yours,
Veles Sobczek
King of Libero Empire
Royal of Libero Empire
Duke of Nifelhold
Margrave of Nifelhold
Marshal of Libero Hussars

Letter from Alice Arundel   (9 hours, 33 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (15 recipients)

Rulers of Dwilight,

Luria Nova, being an ally of Niselur's, hereby declares war against the Morek Empire and her allies. Formal declarations will be issued over the next few days.

Beyond supporting our ally in the northwest, Luria is fed up with Morek's attempts to curb the former's development and prosperity in Lower Toprak. It seems more than apparent that Morek is the continent's bully, and now her victims rise up against her.

Let there be justice in the name of the stars.

For the Golden Eagle,
Alice Arundel
Queen of Luria Nova
Royal of Luria Nova
Duchess of Giask
Viscountess of Herle

Letter from Grimrog Bjarnson   (5 hours, 35 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (15 recipients)

Rulers of Dwilight,

Asylon do not wage war on the Astroist church or its followers, we do not consider it or them our enemies as we have faithful commoners within our borders.

We wage war on Astrum to retake regions lost in the past and to join our allies in the common goal in ending the oppressive nature of Astrum and its allies.
Also to uphold my word as King of Asylon, as my word and Honor was given to aid our allies in their goals.

May this war bring Glory to all that takes a side and stay true to their Causus bellis...

Honor, Glory and Unity.
Grimrog Bjarnson
King of Asylon
Royal of Asylon
Duke of Bloodmoon
Earl of Via
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: cenrae on June 27, 2013, 08:45:54 AM
Yeah Khari likes to be cryptic.

Likes to yes, and its a time issue. New baby and all. Never enough time to fully address all the messages it get.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Penchant on June 27, 2013, 09:00:02 AM
Asylon's war declaration simplified, "So you guys are having this big war? Well we are going for a land grab. O yeah and to help our allies out to be honorable, that too."
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on June 27, 2013, 09:20:09 AM
Asylon's war declaration simplified, "So you guys are having this big war? Well we are going for a land grab. O yeah and to help our allies out to be honorable, that too."

In typical Asylon fashion  ;D
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Perth on June 27, 2013, 09:47:39 AM
Name suggestions:

"The Lame War"
"The Unnecessary War"
"The Carefully Engineered War"
"War of Leopoldian Arrogance"

You're like the only guy on the continent not pumped for continent-wide war!
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on June 27, 2013, 09:58:00 AM
You're like the only guy on the continent not pumped for continent-wide war!

Because this time he knows he cant weasel his way out of this.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Daimall on June 27, 2013, 10:14:20 AM
Vellos is just unhappy that the church and the Astroist Federation is being cracked open in terms of solidarity before he can realize his character's dream of seeing Sangius Astroism spread to the entirety of Dwilight.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on June 27, 2013, 10:23:39 AM
Its just not going to happen without chasing off half the playerbase through extreme boredom and failing to take into account a) reality and b) not everyone wants to play the way SA wants
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Lorgan on June 27, 2013, 10:31:46 AM
1. I don't think RTO's are possible, or have they been reintroduced?

2. Butthurt is the funniest kind of hurt!
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Wolfsong on June 27, 2013, 10:37:48 AM
They were never removed, to my knowledge, just nerfed awhile back so you could no longer RTO rogue regions.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Bjarnson on June 27, 2013, 11:02:01 AM
Asylon's war declaration simplified, "So you guys are having this big war? Well we are going for a land grab. O yeah and to help our allies out to be honorable, that too."

Yes, nothing wrong with beeing honest. Astrum did take Vyanar and Wallershire from us in a previous war. I think its very fitting to use "reconquest" as a Casus bellis, since Asylon dont fight over religion.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Fanofgaming on June 27, 2013, 12:31:17 PM
Yes, nothing wrong with beeing honest. Astrum did take Vyanar and Wallershire from us in a previous war. I think its very fitting to use "reconquest" as a Casus bellis, since Asylon dont fight over religion.

Almost ironically, I think Asylon's reason for war is the most legitimate one that has been declared so far. It beats the hell out of "I'm consolidating my independent power" from Leopold and whatever the hell Morek is trying to sell.

That said, as a player, I am greatly looking forward to this war. As the elected military leader of Astrum, I am not.
Title: Re: Dwilight Continental War I
Post by: sharkattack on June 27, 2013, 03:39:45 PM

Luria Stage
Luria-D'Hara-Swordfell-Fissoa-Aurvandil

Phantaria Stage
Phantaria-Terran-Asylon-Farronite-D'Hara-Barca-Aurvandil

Unless forced i don't think Aurvandil will participate in anything. We are in the process of electing new ruler (again) and some other stuff. Maybe we get to see a rebellion in the Aurvandil. But there's only a slim chance for that.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Frostwood on June 27, 2013, 03:58:17 PM
Yes, nothing wrong with beeing honest. Astrum did take Vyanar and Wallershire from us in a previous war. I think its very fitting to use "reconquest" as a Casus bellis, since Asylon dont fight over religion.

Niselur:We go to war because of the corruption of the church.
Phantaria:*Angst* *Anger* *Crusade*
Farronite:The church didn't recognize us as a theocracy.
Libero:Morek's taking our lands
Morek:We want to take Libero's lands.
Luria Nova:D'Hara
D'Hara:Luria Nova
Asylon:Did someone say war?
Asylon:...
Asylon:I'm in.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Shizzle on June 27, 2013, 04:25:15 PM
Niselur:We go to war because of the corruption of the church.
Phantaria:*Angst* *Anger* *Crusade*
Farronite:The church didn't recognize us as a theocracy.
Libero:Morek's taking our lands
Morek:We want to take Libero's lands.
Luria Nova:D'Hara
D'Hara:Luria Nova
Asylon:Did someone say war?
Asylon:...
Asylon:I'm in.

Hipster Fissoa: at war before it was cool  8)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Wolfang on June 27, 2013, 04:31:18 PM
Dhara and Barca as well  :-*
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: JeVondair on June 27, 2013, 05:05:46 PM

Luria Nova:D'Hara
D'Hara:Luria Nova

Asylon:Did someone say war?
Asylon:...
Asylon:I'm in.

Lol
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Indirik on June 27, 2013, 06:24:49 PM
Priests can be arrested in failed RTOs as criminals... and then, executed. Sweet.
They can be arrested and banned. Once they have been banned, they are no different than any other noble with a ban: Every trip to the dungeon is a possible execution.

No executions without a ban.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Indirik on June 27, 2013, 06:29:32 PM
RTOs can only be performed by elders IIRC.  :)
RTO can be done by any priest who is not already a lord.

Only Elders can do private sermons. That maybe what you're thinking about.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Geronus on June 27, 2013, 06:37:16 PM
RTO can be done by any priest who is not already a lord.

Only Elders can do private sermons. That maybe what you're thinking about.

If you're right, this is a change I'm fairly certain. I thought both RTO's and Auto da Fe's could only be used by Elders.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on June 27, 2013, 11:22:59 PM
Quote
They can be arrested and banned. Once they have been banned, they are no different than any other noble with a ban: Every trip to the dungeon is a possible execution.

No executions without a ban.

I know, but thank you for explaining with more details. I executed a Priest at the Great War in East Continent. As they cannot escape like Infiltrators, execute them is easier.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Bjarnson on June 28, 2013, 12:01:41 AM
Niselur:We go to war because of the corruption of the church.
Phantaria:*Angst* *Anger* *Crusade*
Farronite:The church didn't recognize us as a theocracy.
Libero:Morek's taking our lands
Morek:We want to take Libero's lands.
Luria Nova:D'Hara
D'Hara:Luria Nova
Asylon:Did someone say war?
Asylon:...
Asylon:I'm in.

haha, loved that.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Penchant on June 28, 2013, 12:26:04 AM
Yes, nothing wrong with beeing honest. Astrum did take Vyanar and Wallershire from us in a previous war. I think its very fitting to use "reconquest" as a Casus bellis, since Asylon dont fight over religion.
You can be honest if you want, but it seems bad to me. Your casus bellis is basically we lost the war last time, lets go for round 2 now that it should easier instead of going for the much more valid imo and your allies like to hear, we are going to war to help our allies.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Kwanstein on June 28, 2013, 12:42:59 AM
That kind of mentality is what leads to gang bangs. "My allies are going to war, so I will join them even if it doesn't benefit me in any way, shape or form." Asylon's is one of my preferred justifications for war, though my favourite is the grudge match between D'Hara and Luria. Those kinds of justifications represent a way of playing that is conductive for good fun, as they demonstrate an unabashed willingness for aggression amongst the participants.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on June 28, 2013, 12:55:13 AM
Asylon is going to war to help our allies as well, we just don't need to lie about our intentions to recover lands we lost in the last war. Also, in the end everyone is fighting to avoid to see SA ruling Dwilight as they wish. While much people can enjoy the religion, and it's very good since it's the best religion BM have now, IG a lot of realms don't want to bow to the Elders and to realms like Morek and Astrum. This is not just about religion and Asylon is a realm of crazy warriors trying to fight a good war.

Personally, Henrich has good reason since Yeux (a parent) left Morek to found Averoth, a realm devoured by the theocracies.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: dustole on June 28, 2013, 01:10:17 AM
battle between Phantaria/Farronite vs Terran.   Terran wins!   how long can we hold out.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on June 28, 2013, 01:15:51 AM
battle between Phantaria/Farronite vs Terran.   Terran wins!   how long can we hold out.

I believe that was a small minority of our army there. (If I had been there, the Phantaria/Farronite side would have had about 33% more people.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: pcw27 on June 28, 2013, 01:47:18 AM
I think for propaganda purposes Turin's gonna call this "Tyrant Leopold's War".
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Arundel on June 28, 2013, 02:20:32 AM
I'm getting mixed signals here. Is D'Hara declaring against the Magna Saecularibus Alliance?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on June 28, 2013, 02:20:42 AM
My suggestion:

The Glorious Liberation of the Theocratic Kingdoms by The Combined Forces of The United Western Territories of Dwilight.

As English is not my first lenguage, I don't know if it fits exactly with the intention. So, I will let you know from where I stole the idea so you can fix it:

Type O Negtive - The Glorious Liberation Of The People's Technocratic Republic Of Vinnland By The Combined Forces Of The United Territories Of Europa
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Penchant on June 28, 2013, 02:42:24 AM
My suggestion:

The Glorious Liberation of the Theocratic Kingdoms by The Combined Forces of The United Western Territories of Dwilight.

As English is not my first lenguage, I don't know if it fits exactly with the intention. So, I will let you know from where I stole the idea so you can fix it:

Type O Negtive - The Glorious Liberation Of The People's Technocratic Republic Of Vinnland By The Combined Forces Of The United Territories Of Europa
Yours is perfect, although too long to be the actual name IMO. Could be used as propaganda.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on June 28, 2013, 02:44:28 AM
True.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Frostwood on June 28, 2013, 02:48:33 AM
News
Niselurian troops enter Astrum, and start drinking in taverns.  Two Niselurian nobles seen drinking with locals.  Astrum forces nowhere to be seen.  Plot or poor mobilization?

Terran wins battle against Phantaria/Farronite Republic(battle details please).

Morek Grandmaster accused of trying to succeed duty when duchess. 
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Public details of ruler channel:
Quote
Letter from Cadalh Jeffrey   (17 hours, 33 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (16 recipients)
That was actually quite hilarious. I believe a lot of you do not know who i am, but i was not long ago being banished by Morek because i was scheming with the current Grandmistress Eviera in the past to start a secession on her duchy. However, i was somehow betrayed by them and being sacrificed as a scape goat by Eviera when she sees the opportunity to takeover Morek after the previous Grandmaster fell ill. I would only think that poisoning the previous Grandmaster was also one of her doing.

Eviera is not a trustworthy leader for she will do whatever it takes to get what she wants. In fact, the banishment of me was done with no proof given whatsoever to the public. Nobody knows why i was banished in the first place.

I urge even the current allies of Morek to not trust her or she will backstab you at every opportunity she can find.

Cadalh Jeffrey
Knight of Balance's Retreat

Letter from Alice Arundel   (17 hours, 15 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (15 recipients) and to Cadalh Jeffrey
Sir Jeffrey,

I remember your letter well, inviting me to take part in your secession. I declined, believing that Morek was a good laisser-faire friend.

Times have certainly changed. Rest assured, your words do not fall on deaf ears: not this time.

Yours,

Alice Arundel
Queen of Luria Nova

Letter from Eviera Lanze   (16 hours, 20 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (15 recipients)
Rulers of Dwilight,

Cadalh Jeffrey was discovered to be intending to start a rebellion in the Morek Empire, and since he foolishly contacted me thinking I would rebel my duchy for his foolish objectives, it was decided that I would pretend to befriend him in the hopes of finding more of his traitorous ilk.

I am not surprised to see Queen Alice as part of his entourage.  A fitting place for the queen, I might say.

I wish I could say I was surprised to see the Lurian Queen's intent to quickly jump on the opportunity to gain some land for her empire.  It was made clear to me before I even became established as Grandmistress that the Lurians would stop at nothing to have war with anyone they could find who was weaker then they are.  At that time it was D'hara.  My attempt to step in and help broker a peace was fruitless, I knew this to be true, but I tried anyway, and the Queen showed her true colors - again, none to my surprise.  This is perfectly obvious giving the context of her declaration of war on the Morek Empire now that its back is seemingly turned to the poison laden dagger that is Luria Nova.  I am honestly surprised it took this long for the Queen to reveal her true intent to the world.

The Morek Empire and myself welcome this opportunity to act as the sword arm of justice so that we might make the Lurians pay for their sins and boundless treachery.  The Morek Empire is ready for you, Queen Alice, so rather than attempting to fight with your hollow words and baseless accusations, maybe you should show your true intent with iron and steel instead?

Allow me to help you in that regard, seeing as how your diplomats are apparently too busy writing a term of surrender disguised as a treaty for your country's next unfortunate victim.

Signed,

Eviera Lanze
Grandmistress of Morek Empire
Letter from Alice Arundel   (15 hours, 18 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (15 recipients)
Rulers of Dwilight,

Perhaps the world decline has a different meaning to the Grandmistress because I refused to back Sir Jeffrey's plot. Luria Nova was set on keeping friendly relations with the Morek Empire, until its dark imposing tendrils were revealed from the shadows. Without its neighbors' knowing, the Morek Empire thought it was a good idea to formulate a secret - and by secret, I mean without notifying a single Lurian - defensive pact with Luria Nova and D'Hara, in the even that one should attack the other. That, my peers, is an example of blatant political interference brought on by a realm that thought it could get away with it. Never in my life have I head of such an overt attempt to curb the powers of others - especially when said others would never be a threat to Morek.

From today onwards, Luria Nova and D'Hara will no longer be puppeteered by the Morek Empire. If the former two ever go to war, with allies and the like in tow, they will do so without the Empire's conspicuous imperialism. Grandmistress Eviera, I will happily oblige your invitation and destroy your realm. Know, however, that Luria Nova seeks no territories from the Morek Empire or her allies. We only seek justice, for Niselur, for the Libero Empire, for Luria, and for those unfortunate enough to suffer your imperialism.

For the Golden Eagle,

Alice Arundel
Queen of Luria Nova

Letter from Eviera Lanze   (15 hours, 10 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (15 recipients)
Queen Alice,

After this letter, I am done wasting words on you as you clearly only have words to offer and words to back up your as of yet, idle threats.

This so called 'defensive pact' you speak of and claim to be the reason behind your declaration of war, as was said to you at our summit in the Alley of Swords, was not a written document, signed and sealed by anyone.  It was merely a gentleman's agreement that I was told your realm was aware of.  So it seems you have been planning this for a far longer time than I initially thought.

You have no grounds for your war, you intend to attack the Morek Empire for 'harassing' the Libero Empire when you have done nothing but harass the D'harans for years.  I have had nothing but polite words with King Leopold and like you, he has suddenly decided to resort to words - nay, lies, to try to back his ambitions.

Save your words and meet my armies on the battlefield, like you so desired during our summit.

The Morek Empire will not be quick to forget your lies, aggression, or imperialism.

Signed,

Eviera Lanze
Grandmistress of Morek Empire
Letter from Alice Arundel   (14 hours, 54 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (15 recipients)
Rulers of Dwilight,

I maintain, contrary to Grandmistress Eviera's beliefs, that Luria Nova has never infringed upon D'Hara, save offer the same rhetoric and insults extended to us by D'Hara. D'Hara, on the other hand, has broken a white peace, denounced Luria Nova's right to sovereignty, trespassed through her borders without notifying Luria Nova, and just today broke the sanctity of the hearth right as it arrested Duke Malus Solari, Light of the Austere Star in the Astroist faith, after having granted him permission to preach there.

Grandmistress Eviera, you are a very prone to personal affliction. You see a peer of yours get angry the way I did at our summit, and you immediately despise said peer for it. I hope the anger you feel right now helps you understand how I once felt, and again when the Morek Empire is destroyed.

Like you said, the battlefield awaits.

For the Golden Eagle,

Alice Arundel
Queen of Luria Nova

Letter from Khari Kye   (13 hours, 31 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (15 recipients)
Today the Farronite Republic takes steps to make good on our promise to support our western allies. Unfortunately in doing so a long standing alliance needed to come to an end.

We are all in this for different reasons, but the destruction of Sanguis Astroism as some claim will be the result, is not one of the Farronites objectives.

Khari Kye
Governor General of Farronite Republic
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Sarwell on June 28, 2013, 03:40:42 AM
battle between Phantaria/Farronite vs Terran.   Terran wins!   how long can we hold out.

Depends. How long does it take to go from Saffalore to Shokalom and back? :P
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated
Post by: Frostwood on June 28, 2013, 04:01:38 AM
News
King Leopold Excommunicated

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Details as always:
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Orders from Constantine Meneldur   (34 minutes ago)
Message sent to everyone in "Sanguis Astroism" (152 recipients)
By order of the Elders Council, I hereby excommunicate King Leopold of Niselur for the crime of attempting to dissolve the holy theocracy of Niselur and replace it with a secular monarchy, as well as bringing the Holy City of Darfix outside of theocratic rule.

The Elders view such an action as a violation of his duties as a theocratic ruler, an attack on the theocracy of Niselur itself, as well as the overthrowing of a legitimate theocratic government system. As such we find that this action violates the Charter of the Church and so warrants excommunication.

The Open Hand has been extended to Leopold in the form of an offer of re-admittance into the Elders Council with significant concessions, however this was refused and responded to with a declaration of war against the Federation of Theocracies. We are therefore left with no other choice but to resort to excommunication.
Constantine Meneldur
Baron of Desert of Silhouettes
Priest of Sanguis Astroism
Luminary of Sanguis Astroism

Letter from Mordaunt Lefanis   (21 minutes ago)
Message sent to everyone in "Sanguis Astroism" (151 recipients)
Faithful,

Today is a fateful day- King Leopold of Niselur has betrayed this church, its theocracies, and all the faithful assembled in these halls.

When King Leopold rebelled against King Turin in Niselur seizing the throne in a bloody rebellion, I asked him whether he intending on staying true to the theocratic ways of Niselur- he swore an oath then to stand by the church and the faithful, preserving the same government created by King Turin, and on his word, I vouched for him to the elder council, appointing him as an Archon, representing a theocracy of the Stars.

Unfortunately, my trust in this man was misplaced. King Leopold never participated in the elder council, never once calling for charter reforms, or voicing his concerns when the matter of defending Terran was raised for the first time. When the Prophet himself gave his blessing for the crusade in Terran, this man openly defied the the will of His Holiness, naming it a criminal act, refusing to offer aid to the crusade, even though bound as he was to act in defense of the church and faithful, as a member of this church and a ruler of a theocracy of the stars. The same man later had the gall to claim that he was always against the crusade, speaking up only after it had been declared, when he refused to speak against it when he could.

Yet the church attempted to compromise, and tried to reason with King Leopold, even as he openly persecuted those who stood by His Holiness. Yet power is a dangerous drug, and it has corrupted a once noble man- He proceeded to declare Niselur his own personal fief, discarding the theocratic government, spurning the church which played a key role in the formation of Niselur, breaking his holy oath, and casting aside our oldest traditions and ways. Even after this slap in the face, the church offered Leopold the open hand, asking him to air his grievances and calling for a return to amicable terms in the relationship, and a restoration of the theocratic government.

I believe you ought to read King Leopold's response to the peaceful offer extended to him yourselves-

Letter from Leopold Arrakis   (11 hours, 19 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (15 recipients)

Rulers of the world,

On this day, the Kingdom of Niselur rises to meet the challenge of the theocracies. The failure of any of these to acknowledge the rightful Niselurian proclamation of a monarchy and a preparation of a crusade against my Kingdom has alienated our relations to a point of war. The continuing support of the theocracies for the craven politics of the Church Elders, failure to muster courage to defy the chains of artificialities of the Charter, bullying and oppression are the charges I put forward against my enemies. From the perspective of the monarchic government of Niselur, this is a dangerous position we find ourselves in and as such we are compelled to act.

For the Golden Rider,
Leopold Arrakis
King of Niselur

 

This man is a traitor, he has betrayed this church and its theocracies, and even now tries to build a coalition to bring war to our theocracies, having usurped power in one of our realms. He is driven by nothing but his own personal ambition and lust for power, who would trample upon anything, betray any oath, and sacrifice any friend to reach his goals. Thus the elder council has decided that there is no place in these halls for such a man, and shall be excommunicated forthwith.

To the stars,
Mordaunt Lefanis
Knight of Farrowfield
Priest of Sanguis Astroism
Regent of the Faith of Sanguis Astroism
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Wolfsong on June 28, 2013, 04:06:55 AM
They can be arrested and banned. Once they have been banned, they are no different than any other noble with a ban: Every trip to the dungeon is a possible execution.

No executions without a ban.

You cannot simply "Arrest Priest" and then ban said priest - at least not on stable. Maybe it's different/changed recently on testing. I haven't played a priest character myself since early Dwilight.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated
Post by: NireusD.Natalle on June 28, 2013, 04:12:24 AM
Death to the SA! Especially Corsanctum!
> Calista Syrenne.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on June 28, 2013, 04:16:06 AM
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You cannot simply "Arrest Priest" and then ban said priest

Right. To ban them, they must be caught as criminals... in a failed RTO, maybe after a failed Auto da Fe...
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Perth on June 28, 2013, 04:32:06 AM
battle between Phantaria/Farronite vs Terran.   Terran wins!   how long can we hold out.

I believe that was a small minority of our army there. (If I had been there, the Phantaria/Farronite side would have had about 33% more people.

A good third of Phantaria's force didn't move as well. We even did a full day move. We have a very delicate size advantage over Terran's forces where all of our Nobles have to show up to win in Saffalore and they didn't this time. Even with the help of Paul Marlboro's large unit from the Farronites it didn't make up for the few Phantarian nobles who failed to move. Bummer.


But also, this front of the war will be fun! Relatively equal sized realms (in Nobles) fighting. Unless the Farronites show up in force, that is.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Vellos on June 28, 2013, 04:34:26 AM
Vellos is just unhappy that the church and the Astroist Federation is being cracked open in terms of solidarity before he can realize his character's dream of seeing Sangius Astroism spread to the entirety of Dwilight.

This is exactly what I'm unhappy about.

I don't give a darn which side wins: Hireshmont's career will carry on quite unhindered either way, doesn't matter which flag is on the battlements. But if SA gets turned into a lame flavor-religion, Hireshmont will be done as a character, and I'll have my biggest disappointment ever in BM. I'd probably actually take a break from playing for a few weeks/months if things looked to be heading that way.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated
Post by: Vellos on June 28, 2013, 04:39:07 AM
Oh and, for the record: IMHO, Asylon and Phantaria have great casi belli. Niselur's is lame. I don't really understand Luria Nova's position, other than, "Morek likes D'Hara more than us. GRRRAAAA!!!!"
Title: Re: Dwilight Continental War I
Post by: Velax on June 28, 2013, 04:59:49 AM
As long as King Leopold keeps posting ruler channel messages, which he usually does to keep the realm informed and active.  I would prefer all game messages to be in code to prevent them from taking up pages and pages.

I'm really enjoying reading these messages, but could you post them using Quote rather than Code? Code is a horrible, horrible format to read on a mobile device.
Title: Re: Dwilight Continental War I
Post by: Lefanis on June 28, 2013, 05:02:02 AM
Code is a horrible, horrible format to read on a mobile device.
Or anywhere else, really.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on June 28, 2013, 05:07:43 AM
This is exactly what I'm unhappy about.

I don't give a darn which side wins: Hireshmont's career will carry on quite unhindered either way, doesn't matter which flag is on the battlements. But if SA gets turned into a lame flavor-religion, Hireshmont will be done as a character, and I'll have my biggest disappointment ever in BM. I'd probably actually take a break from playing for a few weeks/months if things looked to be heading that way.

I dont understand all this talk of SA becoming a lame flavour religion etc, it is up to the playerbase and not some artificial construct that will determine SA's future. SA is not entitled to a future like anything else in BM. SA will change, Dwilight will change, we will change... As the saying goes ' what doesnt kill you only makes you stranger'
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated
Post by: Frostwood on June 28, 2013, 05:13:58 AM
Oh and, for the record: IMHO, Asylon and Phantaria have great casi belli. Niselur's is lame. I don't really understand Luria Nova's position, other than, "Morek likes D'Hara more than us. GRRRAAAA!!!!"
Oh we have great cause-we want to renew the church by scraping the charter, and because of the supposed corruption of the elders.
That and we have built up too much momentum to stop.  If we backed out, our allies may never support us again, and then the church will crush us.
When your character offered peace terms I think he underestimated the momentum behind this war, and the planning that went behind it.
This is exactly what I'm unhappy about.

I don't give a darn which side wins: Hireshmont's career will carry on quite unhindered either way, doesn't matter which flag is on the battlements. But if SA gets turned into a lame flavor-religion, Hireshmont will be done as a character, and I'll have my biggest disappointment ever in BM. I'd probably actually take a break from playing for a few weeks/months if things looked to be heading that way.
Oh don't worry, I've helpfully set you up for the new church you are going to form.
I'm really enjoying reading these messages, but could you post them using Quote rather than Code? Code is a horrible, horrible format to read on a mobile device.
I will do quotes from now on then
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated
Post by: Velax on June 28, 2013, 05:18:02 AM
Thanks, much appreciated.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Indirik on June 28, 2013, 05:22:45 AM
You cannot simply "Arrest Priest" and then ban said priest - at least not on stable.
No you cannot. I meant that when they do something illegal, such as an auto da fe or inciting peasants, they can be arrested during that process. They are therefore in prison for being a criminal, and can be banned.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Indirik on June 28, 2013, 05:23:35 AM
Personally, Henrich has good reason since Yeux (a parent) left Morek to found Averoth, a realm devoured by the theocracies.
Averoth offered themselves up on a silver platter. It would have been impolite to refuse them.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Perth on June 28, 2013, 05:26:59 AM
though my favourite is the grudge match between D'Hara and Luria. Those kinds of justifications represent a way of playing that is conductive for good fun, as they demonstrate an unabashed willingness for aggression amongst the participants.

I picture D'Hara v. Luria Nova as a sort of France v. Germany thing. Always looking to take pot shots out of one another and always preparing for how they can whoop up on the other in the next major war.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated
Post by: Indirik on June 28, 2013, 05:31:54 AM
Oh we have great cause-we want to renew the church by scraping the charter, and because of the supposed corruption of the elders.
Except that you never tried to actually change the charter in any way. Niselur said nothing about the charter. Ever. Until one day Leopold suddenly stands up, with no warning, and screams "This crusade sucks! The charter sucks! The church sucks! WAR!!!!!" Let's face it, most of the people in your realm weren't even members of the church until after Leopold's rebellion. Lain wasn't even a member of the church until after the war was already planned, and set in motion.

If Niselur truly desired to renew the church and rework the charter, they would have actually attempted to do so by, you know, actually trying to do so before declaring war.

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That and we have built up too much momentum to stop.  If we backed out, our allies may never support us again, and then the church will crush us.
Which is actually a perfectly legitimate reason for going to war. All this "we want to renew the church and get a better charter" is just hokum.

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When your character offered peace terms I think he underestimated the momentum behind this war, and the planning that went behind it.
We knew Leopold would refuse before we even sent the offer to him. Yet the offer had to be made, regardless.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: JeVondair on June 28, 2013, 05:34:00 AM
I'm getting mixed signals here. Is D'Hara declaring against the Magna Saecularibus Alliance?

HOnestly, the wars have not even been discussed in any of the realm channels. We are just sitting in our armchairs sipping our brandy, twirling our moustachios and muttering "Great Scott!" everytime something new happens.

*sip*
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on June 28, 2013, 05:37:36 AM
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Averoth offered themselves up on a silver platter. It would have been impolite to refuse them.

My fault that I don't know nothing about Averoth after leave with Yeux to Beluaterra. He just helped to found it and then moved away. But among parents, Henrich can be resentful anyway  ::)

It's more to say that I have some history in Dwlight before Henrich. :)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on June 28, 2013, 05:38:37 AM
Except that you never tried to actually change the charter in any way. Niselur said nothing about the charter. Ever. Until one day Leopold suddenly stands up, with no warning, and screams "This crusade sucks! The charter sucks! The church sucks! WAR!!!!!" Let's face it, most of the people in your realm weren't even members of the church until after Leopold's rebellion. Lain wasn't even a member of the church until after the war was already planned, and set in motion.

If Niselur truly desired to renew the church and rework the charter, they would have actually attempted to do so by, you know, actually trying to do so before declaring war.
Which is actually a perfectly legitimate reason for going to war. All this "we want to renew the church and get a better charter" is just hokum.
We knew Leopold would refuse before we even sent the offer to him. Yet the offer had to be made, regardless.

Why does it matter what the reason is? Everything in Battlemaster is just reasons to have, you know, battles. We know what the true reasoning is, but better charter stuff is a casus belli that they can gather their allies under.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Sypher on June 28, 2013, 05:46:56 AM
HOnestly, the wars have not even been discussed in any of the realm channels. We are just sitting in our armchairs sipping our brandy, twirling our moustachios and muttering "Great Scott!" everytime something new happens.

*sip*
It probably doesn't hurt D'hara any to let Morek & LN trade blows while it finishes up its conquests out west.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated
Post by: Wolfsong on June 28, 2013, 05:51:55 AM
I think LN would pop a blood vessel if D'hara declined to go to war with them right away.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated
Post by: Vellos on June 28, 2013, 06:06:18 AM
Oh don't worry, I've helpfully set you up for the new church you are going to form.I will do quotes from now on then

See, this is the issue. Ya'll are destroying one of the neatest and most unique things ever in BM... and you're not going to be able to replace it. I don't think you realize how hard it is to build a religion like SA. I'm increasingly of the opinion it is actually impossible to do in a settled continent, that SA is truly just a fluke of Dwilight being a new continent.

Building a religion to comparable size as SA would require dozens of priests, tens of thousands of gold, and years of effort. And doing it while SA is available to undermine you... not likely to be possible.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated
Post by: Daimall on June 28, 2013, 06:13:20 AM
If SA proves to be able to undermine this new religion, then that would seem to show that it still has power and authority within and without and not just a useless favor religion, does it not?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated
Post by: Arundel on June 28, 2013, 06:23:15 AM
I don't really understand Luria Nova's position, other than, "Morek likes D'Hara more than us. GRRRAAAA!!!!"

Yeah, and?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on June 28, 2013, 06:31:45 AM
See, this is the issue. Ya'll are destroying one of the neatest and most unique things ever in BM... and you're not going to be able to replace it. I don't think you realize how hard it is to build a religion like SA. I'm increasingly of the opinion it is actually impossible to do in a settled continent, that SA is truly just a fluke of Dwilight being a new continent.

Building a religion to comparable size as SA would require dozens of priests, tens of thousands of gold, and years of effort. And doing it while SA is available to undermine you... not likely to be possible.

Ok guys stop the war! SA might be affected by it and it took years and years to build. Turn the armies around! Nothing will ever replace it therefore we should just continue on as normal, the playerbase should respect SA's inherent right to rule on Dwilight forevermore! We dont care if you want to develop your own realm RP or religion! Vellos joined the church months ago he hasnt had a chance to rule Dwilight yet!  ;)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated
Post by: Frostwood on June 28, 2013, 06:48:07 AM
See, this is the issue. Ya'll are destroying one of the neatest and most unique things ever in BM... and you're not going to be able to replace it. I don't think you realize how hard it is to build a religion like SA. I'm increasingly of the opinion it is actually impossible to do in a settled continent, that SA is truly just a fluke of Dwilight being a new continent.

Building a religion to comparable size as SA would require dozens of priests, tens of thousands of gold, and years of effort. And doing it while SA is available to undermine you... not likely to be possible.
Well, I will agree that forming a religion is not easy, as Tiridra found out.  You have to lay the groundwork.  The one key piece that SA is missing is engaging all members, inside and outside of the faith. 

Hence the major reason for the crack - boredom.  Warriors without wars to fight, decreasing nobles due to boredom, soon there would not be enough nobles to hold Niselur, and your dream of encasing all of Dwilight in SA would fail.
Which is actually a perfectly legitimate reason for going to war. All this "we want to renew the church and get a better charter" is just hokum.
It wasn't aimed at you.  It was aimed at the nobles in SA on the sidelines, who still want to part of SA, but want more action.  Its simple, I promise action, adventure-you promise more of the same
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated
Post by: Zakilevo on June 28, 2013, 07:05:48 AM
There were a lot of unique things that have existed in BM and a lot of them are gone now. Nothing lasts forever and SA will just fade away like all other things that came before it.  8)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on June 28, 2013, 07:43:33 AM
SA was formed to 'rule all of Dwilight' eradicate all other faiths and nations that opposed it and now it finds itself in the same position, it maintained large alliances now finds large alliances arrayed against it, it created colonies that it ruled with fear and is being eaten by its children. Live by the sword die by the sword, every kingdom and faith on Dwilight grows and changes and filled with excitement eventually burns out and the ones in power the ones collecting large tax gold they try so hard to hold on and use all sorts of excuses to control what they have, it happens everywhere, the empire of SA has grown to its limits , its temples on every shore, the culture and stories known by all its impact will be felt for years to come, let us not forget that when Rome fell the eastern empire of Byzantine ruled a thousand years in its stead. SA wont die on BM, it will rise and fall and rise and fall ad infinitum because there will always be someone who remembers it. And don't get me wrong... I dont think SA is dead or dying by any means, perhaps a few realms will fall, the nobles will disperse or gather and in that dark place only lit by the bloodstars they will plot their vengeance...
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated
Post by: Penchant on June 28, 2013, 07:58:34 AM
You really are clueless to like anything with SA, right? The BS that a religion will replace SA in no time and actually matter like SA is the dumbest thing I have heard in awhile. There are several other continents and yet it has not happened elsewhere. No one has said that SA is entitled to rule Dwilight or that BS but we have many saying it will be a shame for it to go away, while other idiots are like yes *party dance* SA is going to be gone. IC you can say whatever you want about SA but OOC I can't see someone come up with any convincing evidence that SA has not been the best thing for Dwilight in its existence.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated
Post by: Zakilevo on June 28, 2013, 08:09:12 AM
You really are clueless to like anything with SA, right? The BS that a religion will replace SA in no time and actually matter like SA is the dumbest thing I have heard in awhile. There are several other continents and yet it has not happened elsewhere. No one has said that SA is entitled to rule Dwilight or that BS but we have many saying it will be a shame for it to go away, while other idiots are like yes *party dance* SA is going to be gone. IC you can say whatever you want about SA but OOC I can't see someone come up with any convincing evidence that SA has not been the best thing for Dwilight in its existence.

SA was probably the best thing that happened on Dwilight no doubt. I doubt we will see anything as interesting as SA in any continent for a long time to come.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on June 28, 2013, 08:27:46 AM
You really are clueless to like anything with SA, right? The BS that a religion will replace SA in no time and actually matter like SA is the dumbest thing I have heard in awhile. There are several other continents and yet it has not happened elsewhere. No one has said that SA is entitled to rule Dwilight or that BS but we have many saying it will be a shame for it to go away, while other idiots are like yes *party dance* SA is going to be gone. IC you can say whatever you want about SA but OOC I can't see someone come up with any convincing evidence that SA has not been the best thing for Dwilight in its existence.

Whats your point? I dont understand what you want. I want Cult of Bloodmoon to be the next powerhouse religion I cam try and cry and stomp my feet and it might never happen, what makes SA any better than what other nobles want or do? Should we stop the war so Astrum can lord over us? SA is already acting like they are defeated, you have already lost this war, the first actual challenge to the might of SA and you are buckling under because oh poo poo Astrum might lose some lands or Morek might lose a single battle or oh my god the most important realm in Dwilight the long standing theocracy of Terran will crumble under. The original intention of SA was that they should fight yet hold to the faith, what instead happened was a few realms holding everything so tight and opposed to change because of fear that they wont rule Dwilight as they were entitled to oh my! What do I know of SA hmmmm? I ruled a theocracy... I served as Consul not once but two or three times, yeah im just blowing hot air. And oh look I brought SA to Asylon! It still has SA temples and perhaps a few followers, this is years and years. Asylon has had various SA rulers probably 3 or 4 out of the 5 rulers we have ever had.

I have fought to preserve SA , to incorporate it into my kingdoms lore and even the CoB to a minor degree, does that mean I want it destroyed? We are at war with Astrum , not with SA.

You guys are already taking like defeated kingdoms just because for the first time ever there is actually real challenge to your hegemony. Perhaps some reflection as minor kingdoms of Dwilight will do you good to see what it has been like for the rest of us non entities of Dwilight.  ;)

Edit: what I gather from this type of talk is that SA isnt about the religion but the power it weilds, what you mean by saying 'SA is dying etc' is that the power is dying, your power. Is SA Astrum? Is it Morek? Is it Corsanctum? If any of those realms dies is SA dead? Will its nobles just up and quit in fits of entitled rage? Or is SA about the prophet? If Mathurin quit playing as he has did SA die? Or is SA about the religion are you all there worshipping and without all your piousness will it die? Or is SA about nobles? Perhaps that was forgotten amongst all these other things?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated
Post by: dustole on June 28, 2013, 09:17:21 AM
If the church loses its authority it loses its significance.   CoB,  Triunism, Elementalism.   Those religions don't matter because they have no authority.  There is no reason to have power struggles within those churches because there is nothing to struggle for. 
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated
Post by: Stabbity on June 28, 2013, 09:24:07 AM
SA is doing a great job of ruining its authority. Terran, Leopold... There have been many misteps made by the elders and they have done a phenomal job of alienating those arrayed against them now.

Also... Beer + Forum does not mix.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on June 28, 2013, 09:45:29 AM
If the church loses its authority it loses its significance.   CoB,  Triunism, Elementalism.   Those religions don't matter because they have no authority.  There is no reason to have power struggles within those churches because there is nothing to struggle for.

Things are changing within CoB slowly, I wanted this to be IG knowledge but I might as well let it out now in snippets, I am steering CoB towards being a more darker evil religion than it was in its beginning that has been the plan all along, thats is where the 'heaps' building in Vakreno come into play and their purpose will be known soon once we start fighting this war since I am not allowed to use our own citizens we must get them from somewhere else  ;). The intention of CoB has been to start off benign and slowly become darker as in game events allow it. I hope that CoB will grow into Dwilights most evil and hated religion in Dwilight, a religion where the power of the fruit begins to truly rot minds and create a place for ritual, sacrifice and a factory of blood. There are too many good religions in Dwilight, I hope if things go well that evil will have a chance once SA has been weakened... Where once was the splendour of the church the weeds of the sacred fruit spread entangling the wreckage of civilization, spores floating on the wind, madness and debauchery and blood filling the void of the now darkened stars... Muhahahaha
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated
Post by: Perth on June 28, 2013, 10:01:19 AM
I do have to say that Glaumring has a point here... the amount of meltdown from some of you SA players has been ridiculous. This is indeed literally the first major threat to SA in years (if not ever) and the swords are barely out of their scabbards and you all are crying doom and gloom and the end of SA. What in the world?

Leopold's victory is not assured by any means. Yeah, Astrum is probably going to take a beating. Terran might cease to exist. What else? Corsanctum might be attacked some? Who is going to tear down all of Morek? Luria Nova? Doubt it.

SA is only going to die if the players who keep it alive right now in the first place decide to let it die because they're throwing a fit that someone dared challenge SA's authority. SA won't die and it won't lose what makes it special if you don't let it.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on June 28, 2013, 10:22:19 AM
Exactly!  :D
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War
Post by: Sarwell on June 28, 2013, 03:28:46 PM
We have a very delicate size advantage over Terran's forces where all of our Nobles have to show up to win in Saffalore and they didn't this time.

Actually, I remember that right before the attack there was almost twice as much mobile CS in Vashgew as in Saffalore. The problem was that the handful of nobles who didn't respond all had large units that made up significant chunks of the total force.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Frostwood on June 28, 2013, 03:51:53 PM
News

Crusade has been called against.... realms?  No targets have been named.

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Orders from Medugnatos Stormcrow   (1 hour, 17 minutes ago)
Message sent to everyone in "Sanguis Astroism" (151 recipients)
Faithful Brothers and Sisters,

War is upon us! The Church is under attack!

Therefore I call a crusade, effective immediately to defend the Church and Theocracies against this outside aggression.

We need to defend our brothers and sister who are under attack. All Faithful are asked to do whatever possible to defend Sanguis Astroism. May it by weapon or word.

The Elders understand that this is a difficult situation for some of you, especially for those Faithful believers in our way of connecting with the Divine who are living in a realm that is attacking us.

Leaving those realms is only one opportunity you have. Speak up in your realm, try to make them see reason is another one.

Whatever you decide to do, join the Crusade with word or weapon. We are fighting for the survival of the ways our Holy Prophet has laid out before us, for the survival off the Church itself.

A crusade has been called. Now let us defend ourselves for the glory of the Bloodstars!

Medugnatos Stormcrow
Royal of Corsanctum
Margrave of Well of Mimer
Priest of Sanguis Astroism
Light of the Maddening Star of Sanguis Astroism

Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Arrakis on June 28, 2013, 05:10:14 PM
Since SA sort of covers all of the island, and almost all of the island is in war, naming it Astroist War (1st? probably, but it is too early to name it that) sounds like best to me.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Fleugs on June 28, 2013, 05:14:45 PM
Does SA in any way have a cross as a symbol?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Geronus on June 28, 2013, 05:16:25 PM
Does SA in any way have a cross as a symbol?

No.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Anaris on June 28, 2013, 05:16:35 PM
Does SA in any way have a cross as a symbol?

Not even a little bit.

The closest they've got is that (I think) one of the Stars is four-pointed, though I don't know offhand which one.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Wolfang on June 28, 2013, 05:21:13 PM
The you should call it a Starade.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Anaris on June 28, 2013, 05:24:13 PM
The you should call it a Starade.

Oh, dear.

No, no they shouldn't. Nor should we similarly gut the other quarter of the English language that was directly developed based on the heavy influence of Christianity over several centuries.

Besides, "Starade" sounds like a really lame science fiction soft drink.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: JeVondair on June 28, 2013, 05:30:52 PM
I rather like "Star Wars"

Admit it, you can't get around the fact that it is a good title for this war...  8)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Sarwell on June 28, 2013, 05:31:35 PM
Oh, dear.

No, no they shouldn't. Nor should we similarly gut the other quarter of the English language that was directly developed based on the heavy influence of Christianity over several centuries.

Besides, "Starade" sounds like a really lame science fiction soft drink.

If we follow the "crus" in "crusade" back through Latin and French, the proper replacement term would be "Astrade" anyway.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Fleugs on June 28, 2013, 05:36:22 PM
Not to say that Crusade is bad, but I think Holy War would still be more correct then? Or try out Jihad! Yes, next time I declare a holy war I'm announcing Jihad.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Sarwell on June 28, 2013, 05:39:16 PM
Not to say that Crusade is bad, but I think Holy War would still be more correct then? Or try out Jihad! Yes, next time I declare a holy war I'm announcing Jihad.

Bloodstar Jihad!

To be fair, the core orthodox institution (devoted elders, prophets, and so forth) does radiate that religious-crazy vibe.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Geronus on June 28, 2013, 05:48:08 PM
It's not a crusade, it's basically the 30 Years War. Some of the parallels are quite striking.

For our part, we of the true faith will call it the War of Usurpation, or maybe the War of Niselurian Rebellion, depending on who wins and who loses  8)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Arrakis on June 28, 2013, 06:22:24 PM
The notions that SA will be destroyed simply because some of the borders might be redrawn is really a hysterical observation. Especially since no Niselurian will purposefully destroy any temples or arrest any priests unprovoked, as has been ordained by Leopold to his nobles. After all, the war has not yet even properly developed and from my perspective it will be an even one - which was my goal all of the time for easy gangbangs are not what I envisioned for Dwilight. No need to go crazy and threaten with leaving the game; that's just bad sportsmanship. The excommunication that occurred is likely to have worse effect than what the Elders hoped for. In fact, with this they are probably destroying the Faith faster than Leopold ever could even if he wanted to. I guess time will tell, eh?

The fact that some are being judgemental about the Niselurian casus belli is really a negative approach to the game events. I have done massive preparations for this, tried to involve everyone IC as much as I could and done the best I could to tell a believable tale. Granted, I didn't manage to do it perfectly for that would take double the time. Time which I don't always have. But if our casus belli is not to your liking, then tough luck. Until you can do it better your objections don't really matter. Browsing over European history everyone could find similar wars based around these sort of events, so I believe it has been done in the spirit of the game and SMA. In the center of the war is the clear distinction between two sides thinking they know better what the faith is, and have decided to battle over it.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated
Post by: Indirik on June 28, 2013, 06:26:58 PM
Why does it matter what the reason is? Everything in Battlemaster is just reasons to have, you know, battles. We know what the true reasoning is, but better charter stuff is a casus belli that they can gather their allies under.
Indeed, we are all here to have fun wars.

Yet saying things like "We want to change the charter" gives an OOC impression that going to war is the only way to do it. Or that this is the real reason to have the war. Yet that simply is not true. Niselur never once tried to actually change the charter, or even exert any kind of influence on the church in any way.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated
Post by: Indirik on June 28, 2013, 06:28:18 PM
...the playerbase should respect SA's inherent right to rule on Dwilight forevermore!
Damn straight!  ;)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Anaris on June 28, 2013, 06:31:08 PM
The notions that SA will be destroyed simply because some of the borders might be redrawn is really a hysterical observation.

Unless I am significantly misunderstanding, that is not what is being said here.

The fear is not that SA will be destroyed, but rather that it will lose its hegemony and its power over the doings of realms—which will destroy what makes it unique and special in BattleMaster, and reduce it to being just another flavour-of-the-month also-ran religion, like nearly every other religion in the whole game.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Stabbity on June 28, 2013, 06:53:24 PM
If we follow the "crus" in "crusade" back through Latin and French, the proper replacement term would be "Astrade" anyway.

Do we really want our holy wars pronounced as "ass-trades"?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Lorgan on June 28, 2013, 07:03:33 PM
In other words SA's uniqueness is inextricably tied to the hegemony of the Astrum-Morek federation.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Stabbity on June 28, 2013, 07:05:24 PM
In other words SA's uniqueness is inextricably tied to the hegemony of the Astrum-Morek federation.

Which makes it a uniqueness not worth saving TBH. Another power will rise in its place sooner or later.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Anaris on June 28, 2013, 07:10:01 PM
In other words SA's uniqueness is inextricably tied to the hegemony of the Astrum-Morek federation.

I'm not sure I'd exactly say that.

What its uniqueness is based on is, as Indirik has said, the willingness of many characters—including those in positions of power within Astrum and Morek—to subordinate themselves to the Church.

Even if Astrum and Morek did not have the kind of power they do within Dwilight—if they were realms in positions more like Luria, with enough power to defend themselves, but (at least until recently) very little influence beyond the geographic area they are in—Sanguis Astroism would still be something special because of its influence over the realms.

It is, I think, the very thing that many people are pushing for—the removal of Sanguis Astroism's power over the Astroist realms—that will destroy what makes Sanguis Astroism so different and worthwhile.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Anaris on June 28, 2013, 07:14:20 PM
Which makes it a uniqueness not worth saving TBH. Another power will rise in its place sooner or later.

No, I really don't think it will. Not a religious power, anyway.

I agree with Indirik that it's not likely for another religion, without the special circumstances Sanguis Astroism enjoyed surrounding its creation, to be able to gain the kind of power Sanguis Astroism has. You need near-complete buy-in from not only most of a realm, but from multiple realms, and not just in terms of allowing the religion to gain game-mechanic power, but in being willing to do what the Church's elders say in areas pertaining to the Church's business. Not because of the threat that they will auto da fe your lords, claim what regions they can, and drive the rest rogue with their priests—but because you truly believe they have spiritual and moral authority over you.

Can you honestly say that you think that another religion will rise up that can achieve this, if Sanguis Astroism loses these qualities forever?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Stabbity on June 28, 2013, 07:15:56 PM
Sanguis Astroism's influence over the Dwi realms need not be broken by this. In fact thats generally not whats being pushed for. Niselur nonwithstanding. No one on either side (save some in Asylon) have a problem with SA, they have a problem with a number of the Elders, and as much as indivduals on the forum want to cry out how no one has tried to change the charter, they're not grasping the problem. Because they're the problem.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Lorgan on June 28, 2013, 07:27:21 PM
Looking at it from an outsider's perspective, I would think that SA policy has so far been dominated by the interests of Astrum and Morek (or at what instance did the Church do something that went against the interest of those two powers?) and will see it's true power, as an independent supranational institution, grow in a politically fragmented but still religiously united North.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Sarwell on June 28, 2013, 08:36:01 PM
Do we really want our holy wars pronounced as "ass-trades"?

Well, those are the only two things that kept Terran alive for the past two months.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Meneldur on June 28, 2013, 09:11:17 PM
Sanguis Astroism's influence over the Dwi realms need not be broken by this. In fact thats generally not whats being pushed for. Niselur nonwithstanding. No one on either side (save some in Asylon) have a problem with SA, they have a problem with a number of the Elders, and as much as indivduals on the forum want to cry out how no one has tried to change the charter, they're not grasping the problem. Because they're the problem.

I can see this as being the position of the Farronite Republic (who I imagine want an Elders Council that will accept them as a "theocratic realm" and look out of their interests as though they were a theocracy) but who else really wants this?
Luria sounds like its just along for the ride so they can destroy D'Hara without Morekian interference, and Niselur seems to be against "ecclesiastical tyranny" over "soverign rulers"- pretty much the reduction of SA to a compliant flavor religion. In fact a mere glance at the recent string of messages in the SA channel seems to indicate that at least among the more vocal of the secularists, from Libero to Niselur to D'Hara, the main theme is that the Elders should "stick to spiritual matters" and stay out of the affairs of realms.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Anaris on June 28, 2013, 09:15:08 PM
Luria sounds like its just along for the ride so they can destroy D'Hara without Morekian interference

That's certainly part of it, but if you look at what Alice has said about Morek's attempts at playing the patriarch to the poor benighted realms to their south, that's a very real concern and frustration. Since the founding of Dwilight, there has always been at least a shadow of Morek's power looming to the north, warning Lurians not to dare to become too powerful, or stray beyond what they find acceptable, or they'd come and punish Luria for it.

It's time to end that fear. Or die trying.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: JeVondair on June 28, 2013, 09:19:01 PM
That's certainly part of it, but if you look at what Alice has said about Morek's attempts at playing the patriarch to the poor benighted realms to their south, that's a very real concern and frustration. Since the founding of Dwilight, there has always been at least a shadow of Morek's power looming to the north, warning Lurians not to dare to become too powerful, or stray beyond what they find acceptable, or they'd come and punish Luria for it.

It's time to end that fear. Or die trying.

While I am sure this has not been overlooked, I'll also reiterate that Morek threatened to punish any aggressive action taken  by D'Hara against Luria.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Anaris on June 28, 2013, 09:22:46 PM
While I am sure this has not been overlooked, I'll also reiterate that Morek threatened to punish any aggressive action taken  by D'Hara against Luria.

From Luria's (or at least Alanna's) perspective, that exchange went something like:

"So, if D'Hara attacks us, will you declare war on them, too?"

"Well...I hardly think that's likely to happen. (After all, they're civilized folk, not like you barbarians.) But...all right, I guess if by some absurd happenstance they declared war on you, we would probably declare war on them, too. (Assuming they didn't have a perfectly good reason to do so. Which I'm sure they would if that ever happened.)"

So...yeah, not exactly filled with confidence.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on June 28, 2013, 09:23:15 PM
I can see this as being the position of the Farronite Republic (who I imagine want an Elders Council that will accept them as a "theocratic realm" and look out of their interests as though they were a theocracy) but who else really wants this?
Luria sounds like its just along for the ride so they can destroy D'Hara without Morekian interference, and Niselur seems to be against "ecclesiastical tyranny" over "soverign rulers"- pretty much the reduction of SA to a compliant flavor religion. In fact a mere glance at the recent string of messages in the SA channel seems to indicate that at least among the more vocal of the secularists, from Libero to Niselur to D'Hara, the main theme is that the Elders should "stick to spiritual matters" and stay out of the affairs of realms.

Uhm... the Farronite Republic doesn't want that anymore. We're just bitter about almost getting a crusade called on us for being a Republic. That's all.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Sarwell on June 28, 2013, 09:25:18 PM
Uhm... the Farronite Republic doesn't want that anymore. We're just bitter about almost getting a crusade called on us for being a Republic. That's all.

Phantaria's just bitter about actually getting a crusade called on us for wanting three little regions on the coast.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Stabbity on June 28, 2013, 09:26:15 PM
While I am sure this has not been overlooked, I'll also reiterate that Morek threatened to punish any aggressive action taken  by D'Hara against Luria.

Right up until the recent negotiations where Morek's Grandmistress refused to sign a treaty obligating them to war against D'hara for failing to meet the obligations of said treaty, but they were perfectly willing to stop Luria from seeking compensation for D'hara's failure to hand over the West Marches in a timely fashion. Morek lost all claims to neutrality there.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: JeVondair on June 28, 2013, 10:04:25 PM
Right up until the recent negotiations where Morek's Grandmistress refused to sign a treaty obligating them to war against D'hara for failing to meet the obligations of said treaty, but they were perfectly willing to stop Luria from seeking compensation for D'hara's failure to hand over the West Marches in a timely fashion. Morek lost all claims to neutrality there.

Because the obligations of said treaty were laughably absurd and convinced everyone who saw it that Luria hadn't the slightest interest in a peaceful coexistence with D'Hara. It essentially said "Force D'Hara to pay up for allowing us to take regions which had the audacity to surrender to them when we wanted them instead and make war on them if they fail." If that had been reversed with D'hara seeking reparations instead, it never would have flown either. That antic insulted both the Prime Minister and the Grand Mistress by wasting their time, then Alice stormed out without bothering to actually negotiate.

I can understand starting out high to begin negotiations in a bartering sort of diplomatic style. But to leave without haggling at all indicates exactly Zero interest i the deal at hand. Alice came to the summit to keep up appearances, nothing more. In fact, I'd wager that she was gearing up for war with SOMEONE even before that point.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Geronus on June 28, 2013, 10:11:41 PM
That's certainly part of it, but if you look at what Alice has said about Morek's attempts at playing the patriarch to the poor benighted realms to their south, that's a very real concern and frustration. Since the founding of Dwilight, there has always been at least a shadow of Morek's power looming to the north, warning Lurians not to dare to become too powerful, or stray beyond what they find acceptable, or they'd come and punish Luria for it.

It's time to end that fear. Or die trying.

That seems overly dramatic. I imagine that if Morek tried, it would end almost (though not quite) as ignominiously as the attempt by the northern realms to fight Aurvandil. From an IC perspective, I suppose I can see it, but I suspect the reality is that neither side would have much success marching against the other, unless they met somewhere in the middle (lucky Swordfell).
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Vellos on June 28, 2013, 10:38:15 PM
tried to involve everyone IC as much as I could

Okay now that's bologna.

Leopold doesn't respond to messages half the time, and has a long track-record of silence and non-participation.

You've tried to include your realm-mates. That ain't everyone. Now I don't see any obligation to include everyone, so I don't think what you're doing is wrong. But it certainly isn't true. The whole reason we are where we are is because Leopold doesn't include others and doesn't want to include others.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Vellos on June 28, 2013, 10:42:09 PM
Unless I am significantly misunderstanding, that is not what is being said here.

The fear is not that SA will be destroyed, but rather that it will lose its hegemony and its power over the doings of realms—which will destroy what makes it unique and special in BattleMaster, and reduce it to being just another flavour-of-the-month also-ran religion, like nearly every other religion in the whole game.

This.

If Leopold were even slightly pious, it'd be NBD. I have hope for SA retaining a hold in LN and FR: FR because there are still some dedicated characters and because of heritage and proximity; LN because of Alice and rivalry with D'Hara and Swordfell. As long as any of those three are Astroist, the other two will at least pay lip service.

But LE adds nothing to SA. Niselur and Asylon have some real stellar RPers: problem is they're people who really like to play a character who's piously and sacrifically devoted to messing up the things other players have spent years building.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Stabbity on June 28, 2013, 10:53:36 PM
Because the obligations of said treaty were laughably absurd and convinced everyone who saw it that Luria hadn't the slightest interest in a peaceful coexistence with D'Hara. It essentially said "Force D'Hara to pay up for allowing us to take regions which had the audacity to surrender to them when we wanted them instead and make war on them if they fail." If that had been reversed with D'hara seeking reparations instead, it never would have flown either. That antic insulted both the Prime Minister and the Grand Mistress by wasting their time, then Alice stormed out without bothering to actually negotiate.

I can understand starting out high to begin negotiations in a bartering sort of diplomatic style. But to leave without haggling at all indicates exactly Zero interest i the deal at hand. Alice came to the summit to keep up appearances, nothing more. In fact, I'd wager that she was gearing up for war with SOMEONE even before that point.

Except that Morek instantly indicated it wouldn't act to enforce the treaty against D'hara, before any negotiating on terms could take place. D'hara didn't let Luria Nova do anything. Luria Nova completely and totally wrecked D'hara and Luria Vesperi in war, and was claiming what was Luria Nova's by right. You know, rather than continuing the war that it just won against Luria Vesperi and D'hara, sans D'hara's lone ally in that conflict.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: JeVondair on June 28, 2013, 11:06:37 PM
Defeated? More like redirected. The only reason that war did not continue is because Fissoa cried out for help from both its allies. Rynn agreed only because he feels that helping friends is worth more than fighting enemies. Not a Lurian concept, I know  ;)

Would y'all have eventually taken the Western marches? yeah, probably, if you held together that long. but it would have taken years D'hara would have driven most of old Solaria rogue in the meantime, along with constant other raids. That and Fissoa would have been crushed by Aurvandil/Flakirk.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Stabbity on June 28, 2013, 11:11:04 PM
Are you high? You looted one region... Once. D'hara failed in that war miserably, and with Luria free to attack D'hara and only D'hara, D'hara would cave. D'hara couldn't feed those regions, and they would have been a non issue, leaving Luria free to sweep over all of actual D'hara, with its far bigger army. D'hara lost that war. LOST. Their ally was destroyed, and they were spared only by the interference of Morek.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: JeVondair on June 28, 2013, 11:18:44 PM
If you believe all that, then pull the trigger. Ring the Bell and start Round 2!

Luria Nova will not be winning an offensive war against D'Hara.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Stabbity on June 28, 2013, 11:30:06 PM
Well, if D'hara thinks it can win against a foe with 17k cs more than it, good for them.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on June 28, 2013, 11:42:05 PM
It seems a Capet is making various threats to various nobles, and making the church look more the fool by the minute. D:
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Anaris on June 28, 2013, 11:43:18 PM
Rynn agreed only because he feels that helping friends is worth more than fighting enemies. Not a Lurian concept, I know  ;)

Mostly because through all of Luria's history up to the founding of Swordfell, there were only three realms within the range to have any meaningful relationship at all: D'Hara, Fissoa, and the ill-fated Myern.

So unless one of Fissoa or D'Hara wanted to be Luria's friend against the other, no, that's not a concept that could have had any relevance to Luria.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Arrakis on June 29, 2013, 12:03:20 AM
Okay now that's bologna.

Leopold doesn't respond to messages half the time, and has a long track-record of silence and non-participation.

There is a perfectly good reason why Leopold doesn't respond to Hireshmont's private messages. Because he has nothing to say to him. Hireshmont thinks of himself as if it is his god given right that everyone should keep him in the know of everything and politely reply to every mumbo jumbo he mutters. Leopold simply doesn't want to entangle himself in any endless debates with someone as verbose as Hireshmonnt, for it is simply a waste of time. The two have already agreed to disagree on the nature of the crusade against Phantaria, and the fact that that was the breaking point where Elders and Leopold drifted apart, why should he waste ink on any of them? The negotiation part was clearly over when Leopold was pushing for repercussions for the failed crusade while the Elders decided to continue with their lives as if the crusade never happened.

You've tried to include your realm-mates. That ain't everyone. Now I don't see any obligation to include everyone, so I don't think what you're doing is wrong. But it certainly isn't true. The whole reason we are where we are is because Leopold doesn't include others and doesn't want to include others.

I did include those I considered important for me. Niselur's nobles, allies and friends. Even the Church knew that things were gonna happen. Pardon for not running a PR agency, but I think I have included all those that needed to be included.

Niselur and Asylon have some real stellar RPers: problem is they're people who really like to play a character who's piously and sacrifically devoted to messing up the things other players have spent years building.

As someone who had a very important character in SA and who has done a lot to help build SA to what it is I am unsure if your attempt of moral superiority is really necessary here. Boreal was spreading SA across the north while Hireshmont was busy rebelling in Melodia and what not, and when Bloodstars were a very unfamiliar term to a young republican he was. I am aware of the amount of energy and dedication that has been invested into SA, but to hint that because of that we should avoid certain IC events is simply preposterous.

Your entire problem with all of this is that you're having crazy fun with SA in its current shape and form (firm, entangled federations that form eternal peace and therefore ensure the Elders enough power to do as they please), but others, and I dare say vast majority, doesn't. You're mistaking your perception of SA for everyone elses. 'Tis why you can't understand the excitement this war is bringing to practically all of Dwilight, which I believe is a very good thing for the entire community.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Sacha on June 29, 2013, 12:25:43 AM
It seems a Capet is making various threats to various nobles, and making the church look more the fool by the minute. D:

That's only because people keep insisting it's got anything to do with the church. But some people only read what they want to read, do they not?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on June 29, 2013, 12:32:20 AM
That's only because people keep insisting it's got anything to do with the church. But some people only read what they want to read, do they not?

Did I say that's what I read into it? Perception is perception, whether based on truth or falsehoods.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on June 29, 2013, 12:51:07 AM
Yeah that quote from Vellos about Niselur and Asylon is supremely arrogant.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Arundel on June 29, 2013, 01:13:44 AM
Rynn agreed only because he feels that helping friends is worth more than fighting enemies. Not a Lurian concept, I know  ;)

Rynn agreed to help Fissoa for the same reason Alice did: so that Fissoa would either join the cause or remain neutral in a war between Luria and D'Hara.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Vellos on June 29, 2013, 01:14:00 AM

I did include those I considered important for me. Niselur's nobles, allies and friends. Even the Church knew that things were gonna happen. Pardon for not running a PR agency, but I think I have included all those that needed to be included.


If you'd read my post, you would realize I wasn't criticizing you. I don't see that players have any obligation to include everyone. Having secret plots and exclusive plans is normal and fine. I was just pointing out that Leopold was not bending over backwards to include people.

Your entire problem with all of this is that you're having crazy fun with SA in its current shape and form (firm, entangled federations that form eternal peace and therefore ensure the Elders enough power to do as they please),

Ha. Hahahahaha. Not quite. That's a surprisingly common perception, though. Ask yourself: before Kale, who was the last ruler to start a war with a theocracy?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on June 29, 2013, 02:03:22 AM
If you'd read my post, you would realize I wasn't criticizing you. I don't see that players have any obligation to include everyone. Having secret plots and exclusive plans is normal and fine. I was just pointing out that Leopold was not bending over backwards to include people.

Ha. Hahahahaha. Not quite. That's a surprisingly common perception, though. Ask yourself: before Kale, who was the last ruler to start a war with a theocracy?

Kale didn't start a war with a theocracy, you changed the realm into a theocracy after they declared war.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Kwanstein on June 29, 2013, 02:11:31 AM
Ha. Hahahahaha. Not quite. That's a surprisingly common perception, though. Ask yourself: before Kale, who was the last ruler to start a war with a theocracy?

Asylon, maybe Aurvandil depending on what you define as starting a war.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Vellos on June 29, 2013, 02:52:41 AM
Asylon, maybe Aurvandil depending on what you define as starting a war.

Aurvandil? Ha, yeah no they didn't start that.

Asylon? Not quite. Think back to what started Asylon's war with Kabrinskia. Now admittedly Glaumring went way beyond what his handlers wanted.

I'm just pointing out that the idea of Hireshmont as a lackey to the theocracies could hardly be further from the truth.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on June 29, 2013, 05:09:49 AM
Says the guy who is a lackey to the theocracies  ::)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Indirik on June 29, 2013, 05:22:34 AM
Are you people seriously not getting what Vellos is hinting at? ???
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Lefanis on June 29, 2013, 05:24:31 AM
Are you people seriously not getting what Vellos is hinting at? ???

Shhh  ;)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on June 29, 2013, 06:30:07 AM
Are you people seriously not getting what Vellos is hinting at? ???

That he is some sort of infiltrator saboteur?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Perth on June 29, 2013, 09:58:39 AM
Asylon, maybe Aurvandil depending on what you define as starting a war.

He's talking about himself. Terran's war against Kabrinskia when Hireshmont was Chief Magistrate of Terran.


Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on June 29, 2013, 12:34:09 PM
That wasnt a war, it was a border skirmish. I started the war and fought off an empire!
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Indirik on June 29, 2013, 01:58:05 PM
No, and no.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on June 29, 2013, 03:40:17 PM
 
No, and no.
:'(
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Shizzle on June 29, 2013, 05:16:30 PM
Myern.

We will not forget.

Like if you cry everytiem
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Anaris on June 29, 2013, 05:22:41 PM
We will not forget.

You should. The place was barely even worth the trouble of killing it, and we mostly let the monsters do that.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:King Leopold Excommunicated, Crusade called
Post by: Shizzle on June 29, 2013, 07:37:50 PM
You should. The place was barely even worth the trouble of killing it, and we mostly let the monsters do that.

Yeah I know, I never really minded that much and Myern wasn't all that great. Shinnen fell to 1500CS of monsters before the Lurian forces even crossed at Thar Gutauth (or something, don't want to bother looking up the name :P ). Skyndarbau won't forget, though.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army MIA against Niselurian troops.
Post by: Frostwood on June 30, 2013, 12:25:59 AM
News

Astrum army nowhere to be seen.  Poor mobilization or dire plot?

----------

If Astrum, is still mobilizing, and not doing something else, then it seems like the rumours of poor mobilization is worse than I thought.  Astrum is in big trouble if this is not some clever plot.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army MIA against Niselurian troops.
Post by: Zakilevo on June 30, 2013, 12:31:21 AM
Astrum has an army? You must be dreaming...
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army MIA against Niselurian troops.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on June 30, 2013, 12:42:48 AM
Newsflash: faced with an actual challenge the theocracies crumble....
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army MIA against Niselurian troops.
Post by: pcw27 on June 30, 2013, 02:10:19 AM
News

Astrum army nowhere to be seen.  Poor mobilization or dire plot?

----------

If Astrum, is still mobilizing, and not doing something else, then it seems like the rumours of poor mobilization is worse than I thought.  Astrum is in big trouble if this is not some clever plot.

Oh god if they're doing what I hope they're doing...
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army MIA against Niselurian troops.
Post by: Jaden on June 30, 2013, 07:20:29 AM
Light of the Maddening Medugnatos changed class to warrior and is probably going to be elected Regent of Corsanctum...
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army MIA against Niselurian troops.
Post by: Penchant on June 30, 2013, 08:05:25 AM
News

Astrum army nowhere to be seen.  Poor mobilization or dire plot?

----------

If Astrum, is still mobilizing, and not doing something else, then it seems like the rumours of poor mobilization is worse than I thought.  Astrum is in big trouble if this is not some clever plot.
Can you please quit with this? Where a realm's army is, or whether or not it is mobilizing quickly is important info IG that shouldn't be said on the forums for everyone to know.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army MIA against Niselurian troops.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on June 30, 2013, 09:23:40 AM
Agreed, tactics and strategy keep it in game.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army MIA against Niselurian troops.
Post by: pcw27 on June 30, 2013, 09:54:57 AM
Tactics haven't really come up, just that Astrum hasn't met the Niselurian force which is more current events.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army MIA against Niselurian troops.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on June 30, 2013, 10:02:17 AM
Tactics haven't really come up, just that Astrum hasn't met the Niselurian force which is more current events.

Omg Astrum is in Aurvandiil!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army MIA against Niselurian troops.
Post by: Arrakis on June 30, 2013, 10:36:06 AM
Light of the Maddening Medugnatos changed class to warrior and is probably going to be elected Regent of Corsanctum...

I can't help but notice that Brance did so too. Changing classes out of convenience was always something I frowned upon. Changing to warrior class after a lifetime of preaching and 'using-your-words-as-your-profession' does seem a bit out of place.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army MIA against Niselurian troops.
Post by: Stabbity on June 30, 2013, 11:28:04 AM
The Light and Luminary of the Maddening are expected to change class to warrior in times of crusade.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army MIA against Niselurian troops.
Post by: Sacha on June 30, 2013, 02:33:27 PM
You gunna git Brance'd son!
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army MIA against Niselurian troops.
Post by: Indirik on June 30, 2013, 03:25:41 PM
Brance told the church that we sould fight to defend his realm, and that they could replace him as Luminary, if they wanted. But as Stabbity says, Light and Luminary of Maddening are expected to fight.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army MIA against Niselurian troops.
Post by: Zakilevo on June 30, 2013, 09:10:16 PM
Well when words aren't enough, you have to pick up your sword ;)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army MIA against Niselurian troops.
Post by: Indirik on June 30, 2013, 09:41:44 PM
Words only work when the other person is willing to be convinced. When they have no intention of coming to an amicable arrangement, no matter what you say, then talking is useless.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army MIA against Niselurian troops.
Post by: Frostwood on July 01, 2013, 01:04:31 AM
Can you please quit with this? Where a realm's army is, or whether or not it is mobilizing quickly is important info IG that shouldn't be said on the forums for everyone to know.
I didn't mention regions, and Niselurians are not really the subtle type.  Astrum and others know that we are there as conducting a takeover puts a big neon light above the army in question.  I haven't shared any tactical information, as where Astrum is moving and stuff like that.

Apparently we even gave them a week warning.  The general of Astrum is either crazy or a mad genius.  We will find out soon.

What do you want us to do, construct towers with red lights on top to announce our presence?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army MIA against Niselurian troops.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 01, 2013, 01:28:09 AM
And they will know you by the trail of the dead...
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army MIA against Niselurian troops.
Post by: Chenier on July 01, 2013, 02:01:44 AM
Forgive me for not having read the 15 pages, but dividing this war into two sides is an incredible oversimplification. This isn't one war, this is multiple wars going on simultaneously.

Niselur, Asylon, and Farronite Republic against Astrum
Phantaria against Terran
Libero Empire and Luria Nova against Morek
D'Hara and Barca against Saffalore
Grand Duchy of Fissoa against Aurvandil

Most of these wars complement each other in some way, but many actors have interests on apparently conflicting sides of other ongoing conflicts.

The continent is at war, but it'd be inappropriate to call it a continental war, because of the plural nature of the conflicts at hand.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Commoner wonders where have the sermons gone?
Post by: Vita` on July 01, 2013, 06:14:07 AM
The Ego Wars
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Commoner wonders where have the sermons gone?
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 01, 2013, 06:18:16 AM
The Ego Wars

The Good war...
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army MIA against Niselurian troops.
Post by: Perth on July 01, 2013, 06:53:02 AM
Forgive me for not having read the 15 pages, but dividing this war into two sides is an incredible oversimplification. This isn't one war, this is multiple wars going on simultaneously.

Niselur, Asylon, and Farronite Republic against Astrum
Phantaria against Terran
Libero Empire and Luria Nova against Morek
D'Hara and Barca against Saffalore
Grand Duchy of Fissoa against Aurvandil

Most of these wars complement each other in some way, but many actors have interests on apparently conflicting sides of other ongoing conflicts.

The continent is at war, but it'd be inappropriate to call it a continental war, because of the plural nature of the conflicts at hand.

There is truth here.

Many overlapping, shared, and separate goals by all involved.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Commoner wonders where have the sermons gone?
Post by: Ironsides on July 01, 2013, 07:16:54 AM

The War of Five Wars
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Commoner wonders where have the sermons gone?
Post by: cenrae on July 01, 2013, 08:55:37 AM
Anyone care to take a stab at what the root cause of this war is?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Commoner wonders where have the sermons gone?
Post by: Penchant on July 01, 2013, 09:17:44 AM
Anyone care to take a stab at what the root cause of this war is?
More than one could be said. For instance if SA had gone to war more often, FR would be a theocracy, Libero possibly something done, Niselur gave back to Turin, etc most of the enemies would not be here. So being under eager for war/crusade could be called a root cause, its just not what you are looking for I am rather sure.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Commoner wonders where have the sermons gone?
Post by: Sarwell on July 01, 2013, 03:59:29 PM
Anyone care to take a stab at what the root cause of this war is?

The rest of the Occidens tiring of the hegemony of Sanguis Astroism, really. One self-professed but unrecognized theocracy getting revenge for being spurned, one former theocracy declaring "independence", one big realm with its own mix of reasons, one small realm angry after the Church stopped them from taking over an even smaller realm.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Commoner wonders where have the sermons gone?
Post by: JeVondair on July 01, 2013, 04:51:47 PM
Anyone care to take a stab at what the root cause of this war is?

Boredom
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Commoner wonders where have the sermons gone?
Post by: Chenier on July 01, 2013, 05:03:12 PM
Boredom

Bingo.  ;)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Commoner wonders where have the sermons gone?
Post by: cenrae on July 01, 2013, 07:01:56 PM
Boredom

That's for sure.

Here's how the Farronites did their part.

We took two rogue regions from Phantaria then positioned to attack them. Asylon says they are under their protection. So we need a new target as we can't take on Asylon by ourselves. Oh there's terran in our federation that nobody wants in. lets go eat their food, see what that does then press on to Saffalore.this was the same time Alaster protested our generals actions cuz he had no idea of our plans. Then the crusade was called and buggered up all our plans.

So that about suns up how we contributed to this mess.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Commoner wonders where have the sermons gone?
Post by: Marlboro on July 01, 2013, 08:26:57 PM
Alaster taking over Terran was like Christmas for Paul. Er, Astromas.

For all the people saying this is the end of great ol' SA, even if you're right, it is going out with one hell of a bang.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Commoner wonders where have the sermons gone?
Post by: Vellos on July 02, 2013, 06:20:50 AM
That's for sure.

Here's how the Farronites did their part.

We took two rogue regions from Phantaria then positioned to attack them. Asylon says they are under their protection. So we need a new target as we can't take on Asylon by ourselves. Oh there's terran in our federation that nobody wants in. lets go eat their food, see what that does then press on to Saffalore.this was the same time Alaster protested our generals actions cuz he had no idea of our plans. Then the crusade was called and buggered up all our plans.

So that about suns up how we contributed to this mess.

Yup. That's about how it looked from the outside too.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Commoner wonders where have the sermons gone?
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on July 02, 2013, 07:26:12 PM
Quote
Niselur and Asylon have some real stellar RPers: problem is they're people who really like to play a character who's piously and sacrifically devoted to messing up the things other players have spent years building.

"!@#$ happens". Not every realm, mainly with stellar RPeers, want to bow and let a religion, better the religion can be for its followers, and be ruled by eternal allies trying to dominate the entire continent. I believe that in Asylon a lot of people just don't care with your precious religion. We want war and we want more regions... you must consider that some people prefer to play and roleplay warriors in a warrior realm instead serve in theocracies full of priests or be ruled by such realms.

If you cannot take care of your sheep, the wolves will take them away. You consolidated too much power and everyone else want a piece. This is natural for every great empire. You will have to deal with the "vikings". Asylon is this kind of realm.

We don't care with your religion, we just want your lands and a good fight. Be used to it... happily for Astrum, it's hard to convince Asylon to have a new policy to become stronger while we can. But Henrich is trying.

Stellar RPers... pff.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Commoner wonders where have the sermons gone?
Post by: Perth on July 02, 2013, 09:48:16 PM
Stellar RPers... pff.

....are you saying Asylon and Niselur don't have some pretty good RPers?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Commoner wonders where have the sermons gone?
Post by: Anaris on July 02, 2013, 10:09:15 PM
....are you saying Asylon and Niselur don't have some pretty good RPers?

Based on the full content of his post, I think he's saying it doesn't really matter whether they do or not.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Commoner wonders where have the sermons gone?
Post by: Feylonis on July 03, 2013, 02:21:01 AM
This definitely won't be the end of SA. Niselur and FR just want to replace Astrum and Morek at the head of the SA machine.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Commoner wonders where have the sermons gone?
Post by: Indirik on July 03, 2013, 02:22:54 AM
That... is completely at odds with what is being claimed both IG and OOG. If that's what they're intending, then they are hiding their true plans quite thoroughly.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Commoner wonders where have the sermons gone?
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on July 03, 2013, 02:37:25 AM
That... is completely at odds with what is being claimed both IG and OOG. If that's what they're intending, then they are hiding their true plans quite thoroughly.

That is completely at odds with what is being claimed by those against Niselur and FR in the Church, you mean.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrumian troops raid Niselur
Post by: Frostwood on July 03, 2013, 03:08:02 AM
That... is completely at odds with what is being claimed both IG and OOG. If that's what they're intending, then they are hiding their true plans quite thoroughly.
To be honest, I just like fun and flavour.  I think Leopold would have liked few more RL months of prep time for this war, but his plans were accelerated when Sir Rannekk, tired of not getting any opponents to fight, said he didn't see any point in continuing(after a bad day at work), and almost left.
Leopold said there was more to battlemaster than battles, and that wars take time to create, and promised to accelerate things.  I think the sight of losing another player to the stagnant north caused all nobles of Niselur to accelerate things. 

Immediately after Kabrinski took reign as Grandmaster of Terran and threatened to void the treaty between Phantaria and Terran, King Leopold asked what Niselurian nobles thought of this.

I thought we need to send a strong message, so I suggested that we show we withdrew from the charter by re-forming as a monarchy.  Surprisingly everyone jumped on board.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Commoner wonders where have the sermons gone?
Post by: Indirik on July 03, 2013, 04:13:05 AM
That is completely at odds with what is being claimed by those against Niselur and FR in the Church, you mean.
I meant exactly what I said.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum troops raid Niselur
Post by: pcw27 on July 03, 2013, 05:57:41 AM
What's this about raids?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum troops raid Niselur
Post by: Arrakis on July 03, 2013, 10:28:23 AM
There have been no raids per se. Just one lonesome Astrumese noble moving through our northern lands but hasn't yet done any looting at all. Probably a scouter.

On another note, how is the player retention working for all? Niselur so far got only 2 new nobles, while I've noticed Astrum and Morek slightly bit more. I was hoping that the stakes of this war would attract much more players than this. Forum advertisement doesn't work, out of game forum advertisement is not much better, either. Lurking on IRC and wooing players seems like top of the game strategy these days. Any ideas how to bring in larger number of players? Without increase in the player base of Dwilight this war probably won't reach the magnitude I hoped it will.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum troops raid Niselur
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 03, 2013, 11:04:42 AM
You are encountering the reality of war on Dwilight. Its a slog, and its slow long strategy warfare.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum troops raid Niselur
Post by: Wolfsong on July 03, 2013, 11:26:50 AM
Fissoa's been doing pretty good lately with player retention. We're up to 29 nobles now thanks to word of mouth. Lots of newbies, but most of them seem to stick around. I think we have a few old players returning to the game in Fissoa, too, from the sound of things.

Edit:

I should add that I don't think you'll see a big player boom until the war goes hot for you guys up north. Just the rumor of war isn't enough to sway people - they want blood.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum troops raid Niselur
Post by: Chenier on July 03, 2013, 12:39:13 PM
There have been no raids per se. Just one lonesome Astrumese noble moving through our northern lands but hasn't yet done any looting at all. Probably a scouter.

On another note, how is the player retention working for all? Niselur so far got only 2 new nobles, while I've noticed Astrum and Morek slightly bit more. I was hoping that the stakes of this war would attract much more players than this. Forum advertisement doesn't work, out of game forum advertisement is not much better, either. Lurking on IRC and wooing players seems like top of the game strategy these days. Any ideas how to bring in larger number of players? Without increase in the player base of Dwilight this war probably won't reach the magnitude I hoped it will.

The new nobles are likely from the South, as some faithful feel obliged to respond to the call of crusade against you. Despite what Mendicant would have had us believe, character counts rarely ever change in significant ways over a short period of time without later being found to be multies. Takes a lot of time for fun realms to attract new nobles, lest you absorb existing realms.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum troops raid Niselur
Post by: Wolfang on July 03, 2013, 01:52:07 PM
Fissoa's been doing pretty good lately with player retention. We're up to 29 nobles now thanks to word of mouth. Lots of newbies, but most of them seem to stick around. I think we have a few old players returning to the game in Fissoa, too, from the sound of things.

Edit:

I should add that I don't think you'll see a big player boom until the war goes hot for you guys up north. Just the rumor of war isn't enough to sway people - they want blood.
Yeah, post some screenies of the huge battles  :D
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum troops raid Niselur
Post by: Penchant on July 03, 2013, 08:27:30 PM
The new nobles are likely from the South, as some faithful feel obliged to respond to the call of crusade against you. Despite what Mendicant would have had us believe, character counts rarely ever change in significant ways over a short period of time without later being found to be multies. Takes a lot of time for fun realms to attract new nobles, lest you absorb existing realms.
Yeah thats not true. Now quit trying to bring up Mendicant in every post of yours. Also, he knows where they are coming from considering the game tells you when they join.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum troops raid Niselur
Post by: Penchant on July 03, 2013, 08:32:21 PM
There have been no raids per se. Just one lonesome Astrumese noble moving through our northern lands but hasn't yet done any looting at all. Probably a scouter.

On another note, how is the player retention working for all? Niselur so far got only 2 new nobles, while I've noticed Astrum and Morek slightly bit more. I was hoping that the stakes of this war would attract much more players than this. Forum advertisement doesn't work, out of game forum advertisement is not much better, either. Lurking on IRC and wooing players seems like top of the game strategy these days. Any ideas how to bring in larger number of players? Without increase in the player base of Dwilight this war probably won't reach the magnitude I hoped it will.
IRC is effective for getting new characters to your realm sometimes but if you really want a boost you need to step outside of BM's community because most all ready have as many characters as they care to have (or can have). Summerdale or Libero, one of the two got a large player increase due to some recruiting for BM on Dwarf Fortress Forums and they said whichever realm it was was going into a war and needed nobles and such. Going to a different gaming website, although best if somewhat similar type is IMO the best way to recruit more players. If you be an !@#$%^& though while communicating or playing that game you can really hurt BM's reputation as they then see you as what to expect when joining.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum troops raid Niselur
Post by: Vonyx on July 03, 2013, 08:41:54 PM
If someone would like to try and recruit new players I suppose the Paradox interactive forums would be a good choice.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum troops raid Niselur
Post by: Daimall on July 03, 2013, 08:44:50 PM
If someone would like to try and recruit new players I suppose the Paradox interactive forums would be a good choice.

Good idea, no doubt the Crusader Kings 2 forum is probably the best place to find people who stick to a game like this for sometime.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum troops raid Niselur
Post by: Vonyx on July 03, 2013, 08:52:22 PM
Good idea, no doubt the Crusader Kings 2 forum is probably the best place to find people who stick to a game like this for sometime.

Well, off topic and/or the online RPG sub forum will probably be better. (As a thread created in CK2's forum would be moved to one of them)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum troops raid Niselur
Post by: Chenier on July 03, 2013, 11:17:36 PM
Yeah thats not true. Now quit trying to bring up Mendicant in every post of yours. Also, he knows where they are coming from considering the game tells you when they join.

Bull!@#$ it's not true. The only exceptions are from clans recruited over from other games, most of which are legit afaik, but such events are rather rare and rarely appear to be triggered by actual IG events.

Fun realms gain players slowly, and boring realms lose them slowly. Rapid increases are abnormal.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur takes over Forguthrie
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on July 04, 2013, 01:07:17 AM
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....are you saying Asylon and Niselur don't have some pretty good RPers?

Yes, we have some pretty good players, but not players that want to destroy the SA, a very hard work of a lot of people, just because we like to mess around. Anyway, I already gave our reasons in game to march against some of our neighbors.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum troops raid Niselur
Post by: Penchant on July 04, 2013, 01:13:36 AM
Bull!@#$ it's not true. The only exceptions are from clans recruited over from other games, most of which are legit afaik, but such events are rather rare and rarely appear to be triggered by actual IG events.

Fun realms gain players slowly, and boring realms lose them slowly. Rapid increases are abnormal.
Mmmm, I don't care for your conditional at all but after looking carefully at what you said I agree. I at first thought you said it never happens without them being multi's. Also, to your recent statement (the above) being recruited from another game doesn't make you clan and I would say it is highly likely to be triggered by actual IG events. A lot of people joined either Libero or Summerdale (I don't recall) because there was war there. Yes I do think one of the recruiter's realm was also the same, but they joined that realm because of the war making it not boring.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur takes over Forguthrie
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on July 04, 2013, 03:03:47 AM
There is a risk... I think it's good to attract people that want to know the game, not just join a side in mass to win the game like many other games are intended to be.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum troops raid Niselur
Post by: Chenier on July 04, 2013, 03:15:46 AM
Mmmm, I don't care for your conditional at all but after looking carefully at what you said I agree. I at first thought you said it never happens without them being multi's. Also, to your recent statement (the above) being recruited from another game doesn't make you clan and I would say it is highly likely to be triggered by actual IG events. A lot of people joined either Libero or Summerdale (I don't recall) because there was war there. Yes I do think one of the recruiter's realm was also the same, but they joined that realm because of the war making it not boring.

Clans are not, by themselves, against the rules or bad for the game.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Gretchew changes allegiance to D'Hara
Post by: Frostwood on July 04, 2013, 03:26:16 AM
Gretchew changes allegiance to D'Hara, I wonder if it is a practical move, to prevent Terran from being overrun by the alliance.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Gretchew changes allegiance to D'Hara
Post by: Marlboro on July 04, 2013, 03:56:33 AM
Gretchew changes allegiance to D'Hara, I wonder if it is a practical move, to prevent Terran from being overrun by the alliance.

Precursor to Saffalore going over next I'm sure. Then Terran can once again achieve their manifest destiny of being a single-region realm.

Hope they don't think D'Hara's gonna give it back once we get bored and go home.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum troops raid Niselur
Post by: Penchant on July 04, 2013, 05:00:38 AM
Clans are not, by themselves, against the rules or bad for the game.
I didn't say they were, I did say that just because a bunch of people join from a different game join because they were recruited to the game by that other games forums, doesn't make them a clan.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army enters Niselur
Post by: Frostwood on July 04, 2013, 11:27:26 PM
Its going to be a tough fight, fighting Astrum's army.  I do hope Asylon is working away at the south.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army enters Niselur
Post by: Bjarnson on July 05, 2013, 12:00:47 AM
Its going to be a tough fight, fighting Astrum's army.  I do hope Asylon is working away at the south.

We are about to cross into Astrum land, and we are known to put the torch to anything that we wont claim as our spoils of war... I guess that qualifies as "Working away" ;).

Unless a 2nd Astrum army appears and fights us off =)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army enters Niselur
Post by: Perth on July 05, 2013, 09:57:38 AM
Man, Kale is fed up with people trying to keep him out of the Chateau.


Chateau Saffalore is becoming like the most hotly/politically contested places in all of Dwilight.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army enters Niselur
Post by: Arrakis on July 05, 2013, 11:04:41 AM
Chateau Saffalore is an outlet for all the political frustration to air out. The city has little value per se. Too bad you want it!  :P
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army enters Niselur
Post by: Stabbity on July 05, 2013, 12:06:19 PM
Man, Kale is fed up with people trying to keep him out of the Chateau.


Chateau Saffalore is becoming like the most hotly/politically contested places in all of Dwilight.

*whistles innocently* I wonder who let that one out of the bag...
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army kills, rapes and burns peasants
Post by: Frostwood on July 05, 2013, 04:20:32 PM
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Looting Reported   (7 hours, 13 minutes ago)
message to all nobles of Niselur
Astrum forces are killing, raping and burning in Jorradith!

So much for the nobility of the crusade.  My character and I personally find these actions offensive, especially when the crusade is called to protect the faithful.  The people defending these actions even worse.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army kills, rapes and burns peasants
Post by: Geronus on July 05, 2013, 04:59:21 PM
So much for the nobility of the crusade.  My character and I personally find these actions offensive, especially when the crusade is called to protect the faithful.  The people defending these actions even worse.

Two things:

One, that was one instance out of a number of different looting options used. Kihallin was unspecific when he told us to loot, and someone evidently got a little over zealous. It shouldn't happen again though, as Sergio has ordered us not to go on any more killing sprees from now on.

Two, it's just a game. If you are personally taking offense to what's happening in the game, I advise you to take a step back, take a deep breath, and remind yourself that we're all friends here regardless of what's going on between our characters  :)

Now, back to the propaganda! Astrum didn't start this, but as we always have we'll make every effort to finish it, and that means taking down our enemies. If you object to our efforts to take you down, you probably shouldn't have gone to war. What were you expecting?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army kills, rapes and burns peasants
Post by: Indirik on July 05, 2013, 05:01:14 PM
Nerf swords at 10 paces?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army kills, rapes and burns peasants
Post by: Geronus on July 05, 2013, 05:16:13 PM
Nerf swords at 10 paces?

War and crumpets.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army kills, rapes and burns peasants
Post by: Cato on July 05, 2013, 05:27:24 PM
No more killing sprees in Jorradith? Rebec is going to be terribly disappointed. He would love to put Jorradith to the torch  ;D.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Gretchew changes allegiance to D'Hara
Post by: Sarwell on July 05, 2013, 05:43:19 PM
Gretchew changes allegiance to D'Hara, I wonder if it is a practical move, to prevent Terran from being overrun by the alliance.

Of course it is! Scummy politics all around. Classic move, that one. Going up to a bigger realm and begging them to absorb you if they promise to give you your positions back.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Gretchew changes allegiance to D'Hara
Post by: Chenier on July 06, 2013, 12:53:29 AM
Of course it is! Scummy politics all around. Classic move, that one. Going up to a bigger realm and begging them to absorb you if they promise to give you your positions back.

Give them their positions back? Why on earth would we care to do that...
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Gretchew changes allegiance to D'Hara
Post by: Vellos on July 06, 2013, 01:04:27 AM
Give them their positions back? Why on earth would we care to do that...

Because you have a major war with Luria Nova coming up and having Astroist priests kicking your lords out of their regions could be bad for business?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Gretchew changes allegiance to D'Hara
Post by: Chenier on July 06, 2013, 01:07:13 AM
Because you have a major war with Luria Nova coming up and having Astroist priests kicking your lords out of their regions could be bad for business?

Ooooh, I'd love to see Luria Nova use priests against a faithful realm, after declaring war on a theocracy. How very pious of them.

Besides, most of our nobles are astroists anyways, and Lurians can't claim regions from astroist lords. And both D'Hara and Morek have their own astroist priests... that could go both ways.

If it comes down to this, however, it'll finally clearly be made clear why not being able to kick priests out of a religion is a stupid mechanic.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Gretchew changes allegiance to D'Hara
Post by: Vellos on July 06, 2013, 01:16:50 AM
Ooooh, I'd love to see Luria Nova use priests against a faithful realm, after declaring war on a theocracy. How very pious of them.

Besides, most of our nobles are astroists anyways, and Lurians can't claim regions from astroist lords. And both D'Hara and Morek have their own astroist priests... that could go both ways.

If it comes down to this, however, it'll finally clearly be made clear why not being able to kick priests out of a religion is a stupid mechanic.

Why would the church be opposed to LN using priests to harass a realm that has not had a single person respond to a crusade, and has just annexed an entire theocracy, even as we were trying to settle changes in another? How do you think that looks, hm?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Gretchew changes allegiance to D'Hara
Post by: Sarwell on July 06, 2013, 01:17:09 AM
Give them their positions back? Why on earth would we care to do that...

Don't think Kale didn't leak Pierre's letters to everyone else in Phantaria (he did). It's a bit of a stretch to say "give them their positions back", but Pierre's letter does state that he is conceding that only Astroist lords be elected to Gretchew, Saffalore, and Chateau Saffalore, including leaving the current regional lords in their place.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army kills, rapes and burns peasants
Post by: Zakilevo on July 06, 2013, 01:29:51 AM
Since when was D'Hara a faithful realm? D'Hara isn't a theocracy :p
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army kills, rapes and burns peasants
Post by: Lefanis on July 06, 2013, 01:32:28 AM
Playing this for Niselur:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa9CvDPXYNI    :)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Gretchew changes allegiance to D'Hara
Post by: Marlboro on July 06, 2013, 01:41:49 AM
Give them their positions back? Why on earth would we care to do that...

Bwahaha, they forgot who the Duke of Paisly was.

Speaking of, this is the second duchy Paul's all but won for you (We knew Terran would secede well before we marched south).
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Gretchew changes allegiance to D'Hara
Post by: Sacha on July 06, 2013, 01:55:06 AM
Ooooh, I'd love to see Luria Nova use priests against a faithful realm, after declaring war on a theocracy. How very pious of them.


One word: Jonsu :P
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army kills, rapes and burns peasants
Post by: Frostwood on July 06, 2013, 02:46:53 AM
Annexing Terran is really bad optics as it was the core of the chuch's crack.  The previous crusade seems even more worthless.  Not to mention lands being taken by a non-theocracy, another key issue of the war.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Gretchew changes allegiance to D'Hara
Post by: Chenier on July 06, 2013, 03:07:15 AM
Why would the church be opposed to LN using priests to harass a realm that has not had a single person respond to a crusade, and has just annexed an entire theocracy, even as we were trying to settle changes in another? How do you think that looks, hm?

You mean, the realm that not only refuses to abide by the crusade, but also attacks one of the theocracies? At least D'Hara doesn't go out of its way to work AGAINST the crusade, it's just busy with other stuff.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army kills, rapes and burns peasants
Post by: Chenier on July 06, 2013, 03:10:34 AM
Annexing Terran is really bad optics as it was the core of the chuch's crack.  The previous crusade seems even more worthless.  Not to mention lands being taken by a non-theocracy, another key issue of the war.

Seems to send a good message, though.

A crusade that broke the Church over a theocracy that doesn't even want to live and that offers itself freely to a non-theocracy.

Had Luria Vesperi reformed to a theocracy, I doubt the church would have declared a crusade to protect it. Imposing a theocracy in the middle of republican lands, surrounded by hostile neighbors... was a stupid idea. The theocrats are a minority in the faith, and the theocracies cannot control the Church as they once could. They should not have tried pretending they could.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Gretchew changes allegiance to D'Hara
Post by: Stabbity on July 06, 2013, 03:17:19 AM
You mean, the realm that not only refuses to abide by the crusade, but also attacks one of the theocracies? At least D'Hara doesn't go out of its way to work AGAINST the crusade, it's just busy with other stuff.

Yea, undoing the work of the previous Crusade in annexing a theocracy to a clearly non faithful realm with a Monarch who is the world's most blatant political convert is clearly being too busy. Or perhaps you are just too busy arresting and robbing senior members of the faith.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Gretchew changes allegiance to D'Hara
Post by: Chenier on July 06, 2013, 03:19:35 AM
Yea, undoing the work of the previous Crusade in annexing a theocracy to a clearly non faithful realm with a Monarch who is the world's most blatant political convert is clearly being too busy. Or perhaps you are just too busy arresting and robbing senior members of the faith.

If Lurian ambassadors didn't pretend to be on priest duties when going to influence regional sympathies against D'Hara, maybe they wouldn't get arrested as much.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Gretchew changes allegiance to D'Hara
Post by: Stabbity on July 06, 2013, 03:26:23 AM
If Lurian ambassadors didn't pretend to be on priest duties when going to influence regional sympathies against D'Hara, maybe they wouldn't get arrested as much.

Maybe if D'hara had a clue about Malus they would realize that Church affairs are his area. Jonsu is the one who influences the populatiom against D'hara.

Or you know, putting diplomacy above being stupid and pursuing petty grudges.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Gretchew changes allegiance to D'Hara
Post by: Anaris on July 06, 2013, 03:27:56 AM
If Lurian ambassadors didn't pretend to be on priest duties when going to influence regional sympathies against D'Hara, maybe they wouldn't get arrested as much.

If you'd even pretended that was why Malus was arrested, this might not sound quite so stupid.

Kendal arrested Malus because of a personal grudge. It had nothing to do with purported actions against D'Hara in the present.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Gretchew changes allegiance to D'Hara
Post by: Stabbity on July 06, 2013, 03:30:09 AM
If you'd even pretended that was why Malus was arrested, this might not sound quite so stupid.

Kendal arrested Malus because of a personal grudge. It had nothing to do with purported actions against D'Hara in the present.

Also this. There were Kendal's cries for Malus to be banned for war crimes. That was funny. Kendal clearly not understanding that Malus couldn't banned was priceless too.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Gretchew changes allegiance to D'Hara
Post by: Chenier on July 06, 2013, 03:31:04 AM
If you'd even pretended that was why Malus was arrested, this might not sound quite so stupid.

Kendal arrested Malus because of a personal grudge. It had nothing to do with purported actions against D'Hara in the present.

Kendal was being stupid, I'll grant you that.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Gretchew changes allegiance to D'Hara
Post by: JeVondair on July 06, 2013, 03:33:38 AM
If you'd even pretended that was why Malus was arrested, this might not sound quite so stupid.

Kendal arrested Malus because of a personal grudge. It had nothing to do with purported actions against D'Hara in the present.

How everyone else views Kendal's arrest of Malus...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m9BnlIloxc
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Gretchew changes allegiance to D'Hara
Post by: Anaris on July 06, 2013, 03:35:28 AM
How everyone else views Kendal's arrest of Malus...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m9BnlIloxc

1) "Everyone"? I would be surprised if many people outside D'Hara (especially those in SA) believed that the arrest was in any way justified.

2) So you're admitting D'Hara is the evil one here?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army kills, rapes and burns peasants
Post by: Azure on July 06, 2013, 06:45:16 AM
And here I thought BM was a level-headed place all the time. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14)  :P Well, at least there'll be plenty more interesting content with regards to RP once the smoke clears; I'm sure Athrad will be plenty busy one way or another.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army kills, rapes and burns peasants
Post by: Jaden on July 06, 2013, 07:34:13 AM
The absent minded Exarch of Corsanctum wandered into Gaston Farm by himself  :-[
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army kills, rapes and burns peasants
Post by: Arrakis on July 06, 2013, 10:32:03 AM
Yarr...big battle on the horizon. Church hordes are many but Niselur stands strong. :) I am sort of scared that Leopold doesn't get killed since he is a hero. This is the first time I have a fear of losing a character. Must be doing something right I guess.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army kills, rapes and burns peasants
Post by: Frostwood on July 06, 2013, 10:41:26 AM
The absent minded Exarch of Corsanctum wandered into Gaston Farm by himself  :-[
Forgot to issue a two turn move?  I had to have General Lux explain the whole concept to me.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army kills, rapes and burns peasants
Post by: Arrakis on July 06, 2013, 11:02:26 AM
Playing this for Niselur:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa9CvDPXYNI    :)

And here is our reply ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pK9aOjTlkM
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army kills, rapes and burns peasants
Post by: Stabbity on July 06, 2013, 11:10:16 AM
And here is our reply ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pK9aOjTlkM

+1.

Luria has had this one spinning up and ready for D'hara: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gHdWBK1724 :p
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army kills, rapes and burns peasants
Post by: Jaden on July 06, 2013, 11:24:04 AM
Forgot to issue a two turn move?  I had to have General Lux explain the whole concept to me.

I just screwed up basically, been following orders for 6 years and still haven gotten use to giving them... luckily it's was just my character and not the whole army of corsanctum....
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army kills, rapes and burns peasants
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 06, 2013, 11:37:44 AM
Yarr...big battle on the horizon. Church hordes are many but Niselur stands strong. :) I am sort of scared that Leopold doesn't get killed since he is a hero. This is the first time I have a fear of losing a character. Must be doing something right I guess.

I am also a hero and one time was left behind on a march and faced off aline against 15 Astrum nobles and their army and came out unscathed. I honestly thought that the 60+ year old would have died but I did not. So as legend goes in Asylon... I fought off the entire Astrum army alone !
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army kills, rapes and burns peasants
Post by: Arrakis on July 06, 2013, 12:20:33 PM
+1.

Luria has had this one spinning up and ready for D'hara: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gHdWBK1724 :p

Nice one ;)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Corsanctum general captured in lone-wolf attack.
Post by: Daimall on July 06, 2013, 07:57:33 PM
A big battle, seems most of the nobles in Jorradith was able to join which certainly tipped the tide to Astrum and its allies. Both Leopold and Sergio got wounded in the fighting. Other notables from the Asturmese side include Brance by the Leopold's cavalry and one of their marshal who got wounded and then captured. On Niselur side, mostly the new guys got wounded, but I don't think most of it were serious.

In the end only the archers from Asturm remained standing in the field, but most likely they won't be able to capitalize on this victory other then perhaps burn down some fields before having to retreat back to Asturm I think, lest they get pounced on by Niselur in perhaps a more "equal" battle.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Corsanctum general captured in lone-wolf attack.
Post by: Zakilevo on July 06, 2013, 08:41:00 PM
 Hiems (10) score 3071 hits on Fecter Jaegers (28).

That is how you hit  8)

Battle report for those who are interested

http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Lapallanch_Family/Kihalin/Battle_of_Gaston_Farms (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Lapallanch_Family/Kihalin/Battle_of_Gaston_Farms)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Corsanctum general captured in lone-wolf attack.
Post by: Daimall on July 06, 2013, 08:47:18 PM
Golden Rider (30) score 4144 hits on Sword of the Stars (18)

Pretty sure Leopold's charge was better and slightly more important.  :P
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Corsanctum general captured in lone-wolf attack.
Post by: Zakilevo on July 06, 2013, 09:20:10 PM
Damn you Leopold!!!

How well trained is his unit? Mine are refresh recruits :(
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Corsanctum general captured in lone-wolf attack.
Post by: Geronus on July 06, 2013, 10:37:07 PM
On Niselur side, mostly the new guys got wounded, but I don't think most of it were serious.

In the end only the archers from Asturm remained standing in the field, but most likely they won't be able to capitalize on this victory other then perhaps burn down some fields before having to retreat back to Asturm I think, lest they get pounced on by Niselur in perhaps a more "equal" battle.

Except for the part where Leopold got wounded?  ::)

We actually have a fairly large amount of CS remaining. I was surprised to see how much. Even though we suffered almost as many casualties as Niselur, I suspect that we had fewer killed than they did; their overall numbers are way lower than ours now.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Corsanctum general captured in lone-wolf attack.
Post by: Zakilevo on July 07, 2013, 12:30:15 AM
Except for the part where Leopold got wounded?  ::)

We actually have a fairly large amount of CS remaining. I was surprised to see how much. Even though we suffered almost as many casualties as Niselur, I suspect that we had fewer killed than they did; their overall numbers are way lower than ours now.

I am going to do a quick analysis once I have time to do one.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Corsanctum general captured in lone-wolf attack.
Post by: Sarwell on July 07, 2013, 02:43:54 AM
The armies of Phantaria and the Farronite Republic marched on the now-D'Haran region of Saffalore expecting a battle with the Terranese forces, but mysteriously hostilities were averted for the time being.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Corsanctum general captured in lone-wolf attack.
Post by: Frostwood on July 07, 2013, 03:29:33 AM
Except for the part where Leopold got wounded?  ::)

We actually have a fairly large amount of CS remaining. I was surprised to see how much. Even though we suffered almost as many casualties as Niselur, I suspect that we had fewer killed than they did; their overall numbers are way lower than ours now.
The Astrum archer fire was deadly.  For some reason, my unit decided to target Brance Indrick, who then was crushed by King Leopold's charge.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Indirik on July 07, 2013, 03:42:50 AM
Great. Thanks for the special attention. :(
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Daimall on July 07, 2013, 04:45:33 AM
Well I did mentioned that both leaders of Niselur and Asturm got wounded and I probably would of not brought up Brance again if Zaki didn't decided he wanted to tout his one hit knockout charge against a unit about half his size.  :P

Anyways, I get the feeling if we had our MI join the forward fighting, the front might of been able to hold longer, but either way I think the chief reason why Astrum won was that not only they had slightly more nobles, but that the Asturmese nobles are more experience and could lead more men under them then most of newer nobles which dominate the make up of Niselur's force in that fight.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Indirik on July 07, 2013, 05:02:48 AM
I think Sergio had the best hit:

Cantabricus Impetus (4) score 4594 hits on Niselurian Hexplosive Company (35).

Someone just lot a damned expensive unit of SF. 59 men, 1400 CS, in a single round.

I wonder how quickly Niselur can recover from losing their entire army? That has to hurt. A lot of expensive SF and cavalry. Astrum/Corsanctum still had over 500 soldiers on the field when the battle was done.

BTW - I hate unique items. Damned near every time I get wounded in battle, I lose one. What's the point of having a unique item if every time you get in battle, you lose the stupid things?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Zakilevo on July 07, 2013, 05:17:33 AM
I think Sergio had the best hit:

Cantabricus Impetus (4) score 4594 hits on Niselurian Hexplosive Company (35).

Someone just lot a damned expensive unit of SF. 59 men, 1400 CS, in a single round.

I wonder how quickly Niselur can recover from losing their entire army? That has to hurt. A lot of expensive SF and cavalry. Astrum/Corsanctum still had over 500 soldiers on the field when the battle was done.

BTW - I hate unique items. Damned near every time I get wounded in battle, I lose one. What's the point of having a unique item if every time you get in battle, you lose the stupid things?

That is why you recruit range 5 SF unit and hide in the back ;)

And yes, Sergio got the highest hit, setting a new BM record. He beat the previous record by 62 hits. But I beat Sergio in terms of overall damage ;D
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum army kills, rapes and burns peasants
Post by: pcw27 on July 07, 2013, 08:12:54 AM
I am also a hero and one time was left behind on a march and faced off aline against 15 Astrum nobles and their army and came out unscathed. I honestly thought that the 60+ year old would have died but I did not. So as legend goes in Asylon... I fought off the entire Astrum army alone !

At this point Turin's been critically wounded like five times. I almost never worry about dieing in a given battle.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Vonyx on July 07, 2013, 08:47:05 AM
Impressive battle!

This war is getting more and more interesting!
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Arrakis on July 07, 2013, 12:18:07 PM
It was a great battle really. Too bad Leopold is wounded and his condition is deteriorating. Hopefully he heals soonish for based on this it depends how quickly can Niselur bounce back. Leopold has stashed away some gold for occasions like these, though, so gold shouldn't be an issue. He just needs to crawl back to the capital. :D Needless to say that battles like these, and adversity itself, is what defines the realm identity. Niselur was never threatened like this before and now it is put on a test. Will it fall down to desperation due to defeat, or will it emerge even greater than before and bring greater troops to war? Leopold knows exactly what to do to bring his Kingdom to feet again, for really, this isn't the first or the last battle of this sorts for me.

As for the battle itself, Niselur fought better than I thought it would. Church had, after all, 4k troops more,  but we've managed to wipe of their entire melee line leaving the archers alone to claim victory. Since Leopold is wounded, I can't really see for myself the aftermath of the battle, but I assume Astrum is fully equipped with healers that should restore a lot of their initial army. It was a well planned attack for the Church, but hey, I was expecting this as Zaki took over. ;) Nevertheless, I am pretty proud of Niselur's defense. A realm with 19 nobles gathering 16000 CS is a good achievement. After all, we did face the strongest realm on the continent and their lackeys from Corsanctum completely on our own.

Niselur played her cards the best she could in the opening of the war. Now is the time for our allies to do theirs. So far they have been lacking, in my opinion. I am eager to see Asylon and Farronite doing some real damage especially to Astrum. After all, Astrum is what it all boils down to. Terran is irrelevant and the fate of Dwilight will be decided in Astrumese-Niselurian front.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Arrakis on July 07, 2013, 12:30:13 PM
On another note, the fact that Terran is dissolving and that Turin and Kabrinksi infant terrible are coming to Astrum to fight against Leopold is really cool. This is why we're playing for, after all, to participate in some relevant, character-driven stories that can change the history of Dwilight for forever. Battles and all are fine really, but unless you have some real hatred between two opposite sides the wars become bleak. From Leopold's perspective, Turin will surely stir !@#$ up and add that extra ingredient, for Leopold is now deadly set on ending that old feud once and for all. Epic battles ahead, epic times for Dwilight. Hopefully next encounters will go slightly more in Niselur's favor, though. ;)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Arrakis on July 07, 2013, 12:38:27 PM
Impressive battle!

This war is getting more and more interesting!

It does, especially if you consider that one of Leopold's objectives is a restoration of a Dalian Kingdom. Can't but notice your Summerdale banner there, so I couldn't resist.  :P
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 07, 2013, 01:08:04 PM
Bah, you have no patience. Asylon is like a bear waking from slumber. We are already in Astrum lands and doing secret things... Asylon does things on its terms and its not our first tango with Astrum, we know what kind of force we are going up against and how well equipped and funded they are. We aint going anywhere but to war.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Indirik on July 07, 2013, 01:31:04 PM
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Too bad Leopold is wounded and his condition is deteriorating.
It's the primitive conditions in Gaston Farms. Without access to quality medical care, how do you expect get better? It's so bad up there, even Brance's cadre of top notch healers couldn't stop his wounds from getting infected.

Or maybe it's that poison you used on your lance...
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Arrakis on July 07, 2013, 01:59:52 PM
Or maybe it's that poison you used on your lance...

You caught me.  :D
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Indirik on July 07, 2013, 03:15:49 PM
I knew it. >:(
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Frostwood on July 07, 2013, 03:46:55 PM
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Well currently we've put the Lightbringer in as temporary regent.  I had hoped you would be rejoining us today, but it seems like you're going to be out for a while.  He must have some gold 'acquired' from the Corsanctum general, as the general probably was carrying a lot of gold, not bonds.

On the plus side, all of our nobles qualify for Lordship, and the honour gained in the battle should allow our young nobles to bring our CS up to 20k.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: T Strike on July 07, 2013, 04:19:55 PM
Unless every single noble brings 1000 combat strength I don't see that happening, Frostwood.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Arrakis on July 07, 2013, 05:11:56 PM
On the plus side, all of our nobles qualify for Lordship, and the honour gained in the battle should allow our young nobles to bring our CS up to 20k.

Finally. Was waiting for ages to have all those active people awarded with regions. Now we can finally start using 100% of our resources.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Sarwell on July 07, 2013, 09:51:21 PM
Gretchew has gone rogue. Excellent news for Phantaria, not so great for "D'Herran".

[I also dig the opportunity to say "go rogue" in a reasonable context]
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: JeVondair on July 07, 2013, 09:59:18 PM
Gretchew has gone rogue. Excellent news for Phantaria, not so great for "D'Herran".

[I also dig the opportunity to say "go rogue" in a reasonable context]

Its more of a relief to D'Harans, really.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Sarwell on July 07, 2013, 10:01:45 PM
Its more of a relief to D'Harans, really.

Are you guys not so keen on the merger/annexation/"surrender"/whatever? Is it just Pierre's plan for the most part?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Telamon on July 07, 2013, 10:38:21 PM
I'll just say i'm grateful to not have to beat up "semi-innocent" D'haran's for that little track of land, huzzah!
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: JeVondair on July 08, 2013, 12:12:05 AM
Are you guys not so keen on the merger/annexation/"surrender"/whatever? Is it just Pierre's plan for the most part?

Honestly, D'Haran's did not know about and immediately questioned it's acquisition. After speaking to Pierre IG about it, I believe the entire thing was supposed to be merely armchair-politicking. To my knowledge, no "if this than that" plans were actually committed to, simply broached for consideration. Then suddenly Gretchew DID the thing. Surprising everyone.

There is a bit of drama playing out in the House of Lords right now and the realms most senior nobles have launched public protest.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: BarticaBoat on July 08, 2013, 12:37:41 AM
You guys forget that Karibash's unit of 149 men, 21% of the Astrumese infantry, left after suffering ~40 casualties determined to hunt after King Leopold.

It was explained in my rp that got cut off and which i didn't save. But don't worry, retreat rate is at 80% now so they'll fight to the last man.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Indirik on July 08, 2013, 12:38:32 AM
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Well currently we've put the Lightbringer in as temporary regent. I had hoped you would be rejoining us today, but it seems like you're going to be out for a while.
Did Leopold lose the throne? If so, I hope you're not contemplating a placeholder ruler.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Daimall on July 08, 2013, 12:43:39 AM
It's the primitive conditions in Gaston Farms. Without access to quality medical care, how do you expect get better? It's so bad up there, even Brance's cadre of top notch healers couldn't stop his wounds from getting infected.

Or maybe it's that poison you used on your lance...

If the primitive conditions are the problem, then perhaps you should stop looting the region then. :P

Did Leopold lose the throne? If so, I hope you're not contemplating a placeholder ruler.

No, he still has it officially.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Chenier on July 08, 2013, 02:45:54 AM
Are you guys not so keen on the merger/annexation/"surrender"/whatever? Is it just Pierre's plan for the most part?

You overestimate how much we value these regions.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Indirik on July 08, 2013, 02:46:01 AM
What do you mean by "he still has it officially"? On the Dwilight realms listing, is Leopold listed as the ruler?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Daimall on July 08, 2013, 02:54:31 AM
Yes he still is listed as the ruler of Niselur.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Indirik on July 08, 2013, 02:58:44 AM
Oh. Ok. Would have been a bummer for him to lose the throne in the first real battle of the war.

The way some were talking, with a "regent", it sounded like a placeholder thing. Since we currently have a placeholder magistrates case going, that wouldn't have been good.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Sarwell on July 08, 2013, 03:05:00 AM
You overestimate how much we value these regions.

I'm sure I do. One realm's trash is another realm's treasure, though.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: JeVondair on July 08, 2013, 03:11:51 AM
I'm sure I do. One realm's trash is another realm's treasure, though.

Hardly trash, just not ours.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Frostwood on July 08, 2013, 04:03:20 AM
Oh. Ok. Would have been a bummer for him to lose the throne in the first real battle of the war.

The way some were talking, with a "regent", it sounded like a placeholder thing. Since we currently have a placeholder magistrates case going, that wouldn't have been good.
It's more like a second-in command thing, or Marshal thing, like where a general is captured, the next in line leads till he is freed,  there is no title changes or placeholders or anything, its just the council taking charge in his absence, since we need to recover from our losses and there are questions like: Where do I get my monies to replace the troops I lost?  What do we do next? ect...

Plus its doubtful that situation will come up as King Leopold is a hero, and a cavalry commander to boot, so he is the first to go into battle, so there is a good likelihood that he may not survive this war, as we are facing a larger army, and are unable to link up with our allies, so we have to face the brunt of Astrum's army as long as possible.

With the dangers of this conflict in mind, it is practical to have someone in mind if King Leopold falls, otherwise our next king may be....
....
...
...
King Kas Mayhem
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Indirik on July 08, 2013, 04:15:44 AM
Plus its doubtful that situation will come up as King Leopold is a hero, and a cavalry commander to boot, so he is the first to go into battle, so there is a good likelihood that he may not survive this war, as we are facing a larger army, and are unable to link up with our allies, so we have to face the brunt of Astrum's army as long as possible.

In my experience, heroes tend to come in two categories: Those who die immediately, and those who live for decades. If he survives a coupe more battles, he'll probably go the distance. Although, the RNG likes to be devious and cruel. He'll probably die in the next-to-last battle. :p
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Sacha on July 08, 2013, 04:18:35 AM
Or killed in a minor monster clean-up in between campaign.

He could always go for the Thorson approach: Swear to kill a particular noble even if it takes forever, then subsequently die the next turn.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Zakilevo on July 08, 2013, 04:50:38 AM
Damn RNG. Overlord wounded me over and over but my character survived all that. Would dying in a duel as a hero be considered as a heroic death?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Vellos on July 08, 2013, 04:53:47 AM
King Kas Mayhem

Oh please, please, PLEASE do this.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Daimall on July 08, 2013, 05:39:45 AM
With the dangers of this conflict in mind, it is practical to have someone in mind if King Leopold falls, otherwise our next king may be....
....
...
...
King Kas Mayhem

Well, that is if Kas can get the majority to of Niselur to vote for him, if he runs for the position in the event of that happening. As I do not hear him speak much in the realm, I don't think its likely he would be able to garner the votes necessary to beat whatever challenger may appear.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Frostwood on July 08, 2013, 06:15:02 AM
Oh please, please, PLEASE do this.
I think if we did, the alliance would suddenly break apart, and Niselur would break into three pieces.  Oh and the Zuma would attack us :)
Well, that is if Kas can get the majority to of Niselur to vote for him, if he runs for the position in the event of that happening. As I do not hear him speak much in the realm, I don't think its likely he would be able to garner the votes necessary to beat whatever challenger may appear.
Heh, it was a joke, my character has already been on the receiving end of one of his crazy spurts.  He did run for Banker, but no one voted for him for some reason.  The Banker we have is super competent, and we have had no food problems during winter.
You guys forget that Karibash's unit of 149 men, 21% of the Astrumese infantry, left after suffering ~40 casualties determined to hunt after King Leopold.

It was explained in my rp that got cut off and which i didn't save. But don't worry, retreat rate is at 80% now so they'll fight to the last man.
At least this war has brought a lot of nobles out of hibernation, and brought the eternal north peace to an end.  King Leopold will be remembered for this at least.
I found it weird that despite being these bloodthirsty warriors in your rp, your unit retreated so easily.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Daimall on July 08, 2013, 06:53:52 AM
He did run for Banker, but no one voted for him for some reason.  The Banker we have is super competent, and we have had no food problems during winter.

I think Kas withdrew after awhile. After all, it is Qadan's given mandate apparently that he shall always be the Banker and a Duke of Iashalur/Niselur, even after he sided with Turin against Leopold during the revolt, lol. It will feel somewhat weird not having him as banker. :)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Frostwood on July 08, 2013, 07:08:14 AM
I think Kas withdrew after awhile. After all, it is Qadan's given mandate apparently that he shall always be the Banker and a Duke of Iashalur/Niselur, even after he sided with Turin against Leopold during the revolt, lol. It will feel somewhat weird not having him as banker. :)
I guess a good banker is worth the weight in gold.  I haven't seen what a bad banker can do.  If any other realm knew how good he is, then they would want him for themselves.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Arrakis on July 08, 2013, 03:57:08 PM
You guys forget that Karibash's unit of 149 men, 21% of the Astrumese infantry, left after suffering ~40 casualties determined to hunt after King Leopold.

It was explained in my rp that got cut off and which i didn't save. But don't worry, retreat rate is at 80% now so they'll fight to the last man.

Leopold charged the battle with 90% retreat rates, which means his leadership skills is very high. Probably one of the highest on the continent.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Indirik on July 08, 2013, 06:22:53 PM
You can check it with the New Fame page, once you recover. But yeah, 90% retreat rate means a pretty high leadership skill.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Arrakis on July 08, 2013, 06:23:39 PM
It lists leadership at 82% of the continent's best.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur loses battle, King wounded.
Post by: Indirik on July 08, 2013, 06:24:31 PM
Would dying in a duel as a hero be considered as a heroic death?
No. Hero death and legendary hero death fame points only apply if you are actually killed in a battle. Death in a duel can still get you the one point Character Death fame, though.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Luria Nova attacks Morek.
Post by: Frostwood on July 09, 2013, 04:19:46 PM
I'm not sure of what is happening in Morek, so others will have to fill in the details.

Arrakis-You are one clever man.  I see what your next big moves after the war will be-assuming we win. 8)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Luria Nova attacks Morek.
Post by: Telamon on July 09, 2013, 05:15:00 PM
Let's just hope Leopold survives long enough to effect some lasting change. If i were him, i would not be a hero at all – being the coward that i am.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Luria Nova attacks Morek.
Post by: Indirik on July 09, 2013, 06:05:32 PM
All rulers should be heroes for as long as they have the throne.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Luria Nova attacks Morek.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 09, 2013, 06:59:24 PM
I agree. Actually permadeath should be a Dwilight feature.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Luria Nova attacks Morek.
Post by: Zakilevo on July 09, 2013, 07:28:36 PM
That would actually be awesome rofl. Rulers really should be killable. Hack why not make all government positions to be killable?  8)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Luria Nova attacks Morek.
Post by: Geronus on July 09, 2013, 08:09:27 PM
That would actually be awesome rofl. Rulers really should be killable. Hack why not make all government positions to be killable?  8)

Because no one would ever be a banker again?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Luria Nova attacks Morek.
Post by: Telamon on July 09, 2013, 08:21:28 PM
I agree – it is a good idea. I'm just saying that i probably wouldn't risk it if i were in Leopold's position!

 Cowardice forever, baby!
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Luria Nova attacks Morek.
Post by: Sarwell on July 09, 2013, 08:31:09 PM
Because no one would ever be a banker again?

Yeah, for rulers only it would be understandable (if annoying); if you extend it to all government positions then few people will even bother for the lower positions, particularly banker, which is, as far as I know, generally considered the weakest of all despite any official use of "balanced".
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Luria Nova attacks Morek.
Post by: JeVondair on July 09, 2013, 08:34:07 PM
I wonder if bankers should not have more control over taxes (depending upon the position strength designated by the ruler/realm) to give it more power.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Luria Nova attacks Morek.
Post by: Frostwood on July 09, 2013, 09:11:50 PM
I agree – it is a good idea. I'm just saying that i probably wouldn't risk it if i were in Leopold's position!

 Cowardice forever, baby!
I believe his class choice speaks of his personality, the kind of political courage need to assemble this alliance and take on SA, when the status quo of peace was the north, especially when you are a Theocracy.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Luria Nova attacks Morek.
Post by: Arrakis on July 09, 2013, 11:50:43 PM
Arrakis-You are one clever man.  I see what your next big moves after the war will be-assuming we win. 8)

Well, Leopold has many many plans. Provided Astrum can be beaten of course. I am sure it can as soon as Niselur would receive a few extra players. The potential of Niselur is incredible, we just need them players. :)

Let's just hope Leopold survives long enough to effect some lasting change. If i were him, i would not be a hero at all – being the coward that i am.

He became a hero long before he amounted to anything. I didn't really predicted for him that he will be a leading character for events as grand as these. But I have no regrets for there is a certain appeal when you anticipate the battles knowing well that your character may die. It adds that extra touch. ;)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Luria Nova attacks Morek.
Post by: Wolfsong on July 10, 2013, 03:05:41 AM
There should be permadeath on Dwilight. I second that notion - but I doubt it'll ever happen. That said, I wouldn't mind realm power positions going permadeath. As for people complaining that people would stop being council members or bankers because of it... Why? It makes sense for a council member to stay behind and not go suicide charging the enemy ranks. If they want to play recklessly like that, they should be put in a position of danger. If they don't want to die, they should stay far from the front lines, or even stay back at home.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Luria Nova attacks Morek.
Post by: Anaris on July 10, 2013, 03:21:01 AM
There should be permadeath on Dwilight. I second that notion - but I doubt it'll ever happen. That said, I wouldn't mind realm power positions going permadeath. As for people complaining that people would stop being council members or bankers because of it... Why? It makes sense for a council member to stay behind and not go suicide charging the enemy ranks. If they want to play recklessly like that, they should be put in a position of danger. If they don't want to die, they should stay far from the front lines, or even stay back at home.

Well, it would certainly add a strong extra incentive to be the power behind the throne.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Luria Nova attacks Morek.
Post by: Indirik on July 10, 2013, 03:25:29 AM
What happened with the attack on Morek? My character has been wounded since the battle in Gaston Farms. :(
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Luria Nova attacks Morek.
Post by: Vellos on July 10, 2013, 03:30:16 AM
What happened with the attack on Morek? My character has been wounded since the battle in Gaston Farms. :(

Hireshmont just got assassinated in Demyansk. :P

He doesn't even have a meaningful office now; I dunno why he still keeps getting knifed.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Luria Nova attacks Morek.
Post by: Indirik on July 10, 2013, 03:33:21 AM
Just a knifing? It sounded like they landed troops or something.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Luria Nova attacks Morek.
Post by: Geronus on July 10, 2013, 03:37:18 AM
Hireshmont just got assassinated in Demyansk. :P

He doesn't even have a meaningful office now; I dunno why he still keeps getting knifed.

Probably because you're a Vellos. That name is apparently becoming dangerous  ;D
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Luria Nova attacks Morek.
Post by: Vellos on July 10, 2013, 04:13:29 AM
Just a knifing? It sounded like they landed troops or something.

Huh? What do you mean?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Luria Nova attacks Morek.
Post by: Geronus on July 10, 2013, 04:29:19 AM
Huh? What do you mean?

He asked about what's going on with the Lurian invasion of Morek. You responded with, "I got knifed in Demyansk."
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Luria Nova attacks Morek.
Post by: Frostwood on July 10, 2013, 04:58:14 AM
Just a knifing? It sounded like they landed troops or something.
Luria Nova landed troops in Donghai and kicked butt, and have either begun a takeover, or put the region into flames or both.  If I was a betting person they intend to form a colony with the stabilizing effect of a certain priest/diplomat.

The Astrum army has move back to is capital for refit/regroup leaving Mo Gene and you in the middle of the Niselurian army.  One Astrumese was lone-wolf raiding and accidently moved into the Niselurian army and got curbstomped.  Another probably attempted to escape through the Corridor of Torment, but missed the message that the Zuma are guarding it for us, and found his escape route blocked, and probably had to crawl back through the mountains.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Luria Nova attacks Morek.
Post by: Vellos on July 10, 2013, 05:34:57 AM
He asked about what's going on with the Lurian invasion of Morek. You responded with, "I got knifed in Demyansk."

He mentioned being out of touch and wounded; that's what I was commenting on.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Luria Nova attacks Morek.
Post by: Arundel on July 10, 2013, 09:50:26 PM
Sorry to dispel the rumors, but Luria Nova is not trying to colonize Morek. Things are about to change in the war though, so I urge everyone to hold on to their seats.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Luria Nova attacks Morek.
Post by: Velax on July 11, 2013, 04:16:55 AM
I've split off the strategic secession posts into a new thread:

http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,4434.0.html
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Luria Nova attacks Morek.
Post by: Daycryn on July 11, 2013, 11:15:04 PM
The Lurian takeover attempt in Donghai failed after Morek defeated the invaders there, but not before an amount of looting, fortification damage, and some killing, raping and burning occurred. A force of Lurians subsequently attacked Caiyun, but were defeated.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Luria Nova attacks Morek.
Post by: Geronus on July 11, 2013, 11:19:36 PM
A force of Lurians subsequently attacked Caiyun, but were defeated.

Whoa, that's ballsy. That's the one of the most sacred places in all of Sanguis Astroism, if not the most sacred place.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Luria Nova attacks Morek.
Post by: Vita` on July 11, 2013, 11:35:30 PM
Luria vacated Donghai, leaving Morek to attack stragglers. Caiyun was merely being travelled through by a singular unit in retreat and the poor choice of travel location was quickly condemned within luria.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Luria Nova attacks Morek.
Post by: Frostwood on July 12, 2013, 04:28:05 AM
Luria vacated Donghai, leaving Morek to attack stragglers. Caiyun was merely being travelled through by a singular unit in retreat and the poor choice of travel location was quickly condemned within luria.
That's a lesson for all young nobles listening in-know your holy sites.

In other news, the question for Niselur next is who will Astrum focus their armies on, or will they split them in two?   They are getting enough nobles from Terran.

Oh and accursed priest-you know who you are.  ;D
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Phantaria takes Gretchew Asylon takes Dunnbrook
Post by: pcw27 on July 12, 2013, 08:50:09 AM
I'm wondering when Jonsu is going to pony up and found a schism. I mean where else is there to go from here? She's just declared war on all but two members of the Elder council. With the way the voting is structured dismantling the elder council will take a massive concentrated effort of the full members to unseat everyone. I don't see that kind of opposition in the church and several of her biggest supporters are on the fast track to excommunication. Overthrowing the council from within doesn't seem to be in the cards however forming a new church as a refuge for everyone getting excommunicated or otherwise estranged from the church is a sure fire way for her to consolidate her supporters.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Phantaria takes Gretchew Asylon takes Dunnbrook
Post by: Jaden on July 12, 2013, 12:27:36 PM
But I hope that she would stay on, priests also need their fair share of the war... more conflict is always better..
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Phantaria takes Gretchew Asylon takes Dunnbrook
Post by: Chenier on July 12, 2013, 01:12:55 PM
But as a priest, she can't be cast out from the church.

So she can do whatever the hell she wants in the name of the church.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Lady Jonsu declares herself true regent
Post by: Indirik on July 12, 2013, 06:37:06 PM
I never liked that mechanic. It's been abused in the past.

Seems to me that in the game, we unilaterally tell people "You don't have the right to play in a specific realm/island/guild." Except when it comes to being a priest. They have the unbreakable right to play in their religion, and on their island. They can't be kicked out of a religion by any means short of execution, nor can they be deported from their island. You simply cannot get a priest out of your religion, regardless of what they do. (Unless they slip up and break some rules, resulting in Titans/Magistrates) case against them.)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Lady Jonsu declares herself true regent
Post by: egamma on July 12, 2013, 07:49:41 PM
I never liked that mechanic. It's been abused in the past.

Seems to me that in the game, we unilaterally tell people "You don't have the right to play in a specific realm/island/guild." Except when it comes to being a priest. They have the unbreakable right to play in their religion, and on their island. They can't be kicked out of a religion by any means short of execution, nor can they be deported from their island. You simply cannot get a priest out of your religion, regardless of what they do. (Unless they slip up and break some rules, resulting in Titans/Magistrates) case against them.)

I suppose hiring infiltrators to keep stabbing them is out of the question?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Lady Jonsu declares herself true regent
Post by: Geronus on July 12, 2013, 07:56:12 PM
I suppose hiring infiltrators to keep stabbing them is out of the question?

You can't keep doing that forever. For one thing, they become temporarily immune to that after each time. For another, eventually all your infils will get bored, or caught.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Lady Jonsu declares herself true regent
Post by: egamma on July 12, 2013, 08:01:15 PM
You can't keep doing that forever. For one thing, they become temporarily immune to that after each time. For another, eventually all your infils will get bored, or caught.

As long as the stabbings happen in friendly territory (and with SA spread out all over the place, that's easy enough), the judges can just keep releasing the infiltrator.

And it won't be too long before the hours really get impacted.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Lady Jonsu declares herself true regent
Post by: Geronus on July 12, 2013, 08:03:00 PM
As long as the stabbings happen in friendly territory (and with SA spread out all over the place, that's easy enough), the judges can just keep releasing the infiltrator.

And it won't be too long before the hours really get impacted.

There are some sort of restrictions in place to make sure you can't keep someone perma-wounded by stabbing them repeatedly. I do not know their exact nature and character, but I suspect they would limit the effectiveness of this tactic over the long term.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Lady Jonsu declares herself true regent
Post by: Anaris on July 12, 2013, 08:08:54 PM
There are some sort of restrictions in place to make sure you can't keep someone perma-wounded by stabbing them repeatedly. I do not know their exact nature and character, but I suspect they would limit the effectiveness of this tactic over the long term.

This is especially true of a priest, who can pop right out of the region as soon as he's better, if he has the hours.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Phantaria takes Gretchew Asylon takes Dunnbrook
Post by: Meneldur on July 12, 2013, 08:39:15 PM
I'm wondering when Jonsu is going to pony up and found a schism. I mean where else is there to go from here? She's just declared war on all but two members of the Elder council. With the way the voting is structured dismantling the elder council will take a massive concentrated effort of the full members to unseat everyone. I don't see that kind of opposition in the church and several of her biggest supporters are on the fast track to excommunication. Overthrowing the council from within doesn't seem to be in the cards however forming a new church as a refuge for everyone getting excommunicated or otherwise estranged from the church is a sure fire way for her to consolidate her supporters.

I was just thinking this as well. Considering that she has 0% chance of becoming Regent now even if the secularists install 3 supporting Consuls (which honestly is what I thought her next move would be) her only options are to either 1) rescind her claims, 2) schism, or 3) perpetually rant, rave and otherwise troll every letter from an Elder, claiming that she has "removed them from office".

Unfortunately for everyone on the full members channel I suspect she'll go with 3, though I suppose 2 is an option once she gets bored.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Phantaria takes Gretchew Asylon takes Dunnbrook
Post by: vonGenf on July 12, 2013, 08:49:49 PM
I was just thinking this as well. Considering that she has 0% chance of becoming Regent now even if the secularists install 3 supporting Consuls (which honestly is what I thought her next move would be) her only options are to either 1) rescind her claims, 2) schism, or 3) perpetually rant, rave and otherwise troll every letter from an Elder, claiming that she has "removed them from office".

Unfortunately for everyone on the full members channel I suspect she'll go with 3, though I suppose 2 is an option once she gets bored.

People can put her on ignore, which could take care of option 3.

Other than that, the Elders can't remove from her the options to stir the peasants or auto da fe. However, doesn't that make sense? If someone comes in an illiterate village dressed as a SA priest and speak of the Bloodstars in a semi-cogent fashion, the peasants will just assume she's the real thing.

Realms can order her arrest. You can arrest all priests of realms you are at war with, even if they are of your own religion. Her own realm could ban her if they were so inclined (I don't think they are, but that's valid IC play).

I agree that a mechanism to boot a priest would be nice to have. However the situation is not so hopeless right now. There are things that all sides can do, if they're willing to do it.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Lady Jonsu declares herself true regent
Post by: Geronus on July 12, 2013, 08:51:48 PM
Arresting her in SA regions could be very difficult. The peasants will protect her. Even if they fail, it will likely cause demonstrations in multiple regions, dropping region stats. It's probably not worth trying.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Phantaria takes Gretchew Asylon takes Dunnbrook
Post by: Meneldur on July 12, 2013, 09:04:10 PM
People can put her on ignore, which could take care of option 3.

Other than that, the Elders can't remove from her the options to stir the peasants or auto da fe. However, doesn't that make sense? If someone comes in an illiterate village dressed as a SA priest and speak of the Bloodstars in a semi-cogent fashion, the peasants will just assume she's the real thing.

Realms can order her arrest. You can arrest all priests of realms you are at war with, even if they are of your own religion. Her own realm could ban her if they were so inclined (I don't think they are, but that's valid IC play).

I agree that a mechanism to boot a priest would be nice to have. However the situation is not so hopeless right now. There are things that all sides can do, if they're willing to do it.

I don't think her stirring up the peasants is really a problem. I'm pretty sure the most powerful stuff is Elder only and even if she can perform stuff like auto de fes, they can only be declared against non-SA members which limits their usefulness. The rest of the priest abilities, like stir unrest and badmouth realm, are so under powered that I doubt she'll even be noticed if there is not a priest nearby.

As for arresting- the only way that's going to be anything more than an inconvenience is if she's banned and executed, and the game is quite rightly designed so that that can't happen to you unless you deliberately take pretty silly risks.

I do think the whole can't excommunicate a priest thing is stupid, mainly for rp reasons, but the non-Elder priest game is so under powered that I don't think its game breaking.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Lady Jonsu declares herself true regent
Post by: Chenier on July 12, 2013, 11:19:58 PM
As long as the stabbings happen in friendly territory (and with SA spread out all over the place, that's easy enough), the judges can just keep releasing the infiltrator.

And it won't be too long before the hours really get impacted.

The lands have nothing to do with it. Stab a noble from X realm in Y realm's lands, and if you are caught in the act, you'll go to X realm's dungeons. You'll only go in Y realm's dungeons if caught in travels by patrols.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Phantaria takes Gretchew Asylon takes Dunnbrook
Post by: Chenier on July 12, 2013, 11:22:15 PM
People can put her on ignore, which could take care of option 3.

Other than that, the Elders can't remove from her the options to stir the peasants or auto da fe. However, doesn't that make sense? If someone comes in an illiterate village dressed as a SA priest and speak of the Bloodstars in a semi-cogent fashion, the peasants will just assume she's the real thing.

Realms can order her arrest. You can arrest all priests of realms you are at war with, even if they are of your own religion. Her own realm could ban her if they were so inclined (I don't think they are, but that's valid IC play).

I agree that a mechanism to boot a priest would be nice to have. However the situation is not so hopeless right now. There are things that all sides can do, if they're willing to do it.

Only elders can claim regions, and I thought only they can auto da fe as well? And you can't auto da fe a faithful lord or knight.

However, you can't arrest her either: arresting a SA priest in a realm with lots of SA followers will cause massive region stat drops realm-wide. And you won't even get to ban the priest in question, so as soon as she is out, she can come back. I'm sure torturing Jonsu would yield plenty of goodies, however.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Phantaria takes Gretchew Asylon takes Dunnbrook
Post by: Vellos on July 12, 2013, 11:46:15 PM
Only elders can claim regions, and I thought only they can auto da fe as well? And you can't auto da fe a faithful lord or knight.

However, you can't arrest her either: arresting a SA priest in a realm with lots of SA followers will cause massive region stat drops realm-wide. And you won't even get to ban the priest in question, so as soon as she is out, she can come back. I'm sure torturing Jonsu would yield plenty of goodies, however.

LN could ban her, if we can find a way to convince them to. :P
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Lady Jonsu declares herself true regent
Post by: Sarwell on July 13, 2013, 12:12:42 AM
Ah, politics.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Lady Jonsu declares herself true regent
Post by: Daycryn on July 13, 2013, 12:16:34 AM
Or she could listen to Rabisu and repent!

Also maybe water could stop being wet, up could become down, Glaumring could become a bastion of cool logic and sanity, etc.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Lady Jonsu declares herself true regent
Post by: Dishman on July 13, 2013, 01:51:09 AM
We act like SA is trapped with Jonsu the priestess...but it's actually Jonsu who is trapped as a priestess for SA. From this point forward, she can't leave the priest class without risking excommunication. The player seems like they will have to commit to Jonsu becoming a lunatic priest who everyone tolerates, found her a religion, or abandon SA to allow Jonsu to command a unit.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Phantaria takes Gretchew Asylon takes Dunnbrook
Post by: pcw27 on July 13, 2013, 02:37:25 AM
I was just thinking this as well. Considering that she has 0% chance of becoming Regent now even if the secularists install 3 supporting Consuls (which honestly is what I thought her next move would be) her only options are to either 1) rescind her claims, 2) schism, or 3) perpetually rant, rave and otherwise troll every letter from an Elder, claiming that she has "removed them from office".

Unfortunately for everyone on the full members channel I suspect she'll go with 3, though I suppose 2 is an option once she gets bored.

I'm hoping she's building up for option 2.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon captures Walefishire.
Post by: Frostwood on July 14, 2013, 09:40:20 PM
Asylon has made quite the strategic gain, if they can hold on to it.  Farronites declare war on Astrum.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon captures Walefishire.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 14, 2013, 09:52:00 PM
Asylon has the ugliest realm map now...  8)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon captures Walefishire.
Post by: pcw27 on July 14, 2013, 10:22:43 PM
That duchy is looking awfully phallic. Astrum's really getting screwed.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon captures Walefishire.
Post by: Frostwood on July 14, 2013, 10:39:44 PM
Asylon has the ugliest realm map now...  8)
Putting Glaumring as lord is the finishing touch.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon captures Walefishire.
Post by: Sacha on July 14, 2013, 10:51:31 PM
Tomorrow's battle will give a whole new meaning to the phrase 'cutting the head off the snake'...
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon captures Walefishire.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 14, 2013, 10:55:42 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon captures Walefishire.
Post by: Bjarnson on July 14, 2013, 11:16:20 PM
Tomorrow's battle will give a whole new meaning to the phrase 'cutting the head off the snake'...

Maybe, or "getting bit by the snake"...
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon captures Walefishire.
Post by: Sacha on July 14, 2013, 11:19:08 PM
You should've brought more troops for that...
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon captures Walefishire.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 14, 2013, 11:32:05 PM
We wont need as many as you think... 8)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon captures Walefishire.
Post by: Indirik on July 14, 2013, 11:32:30 PM
Brance will miss the battle. He just made it back to Eidulb today. :(
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon captures Walefishire.
Post by: Sacha on July 15, 2013, 12:33:37 AM
We wont need as many as you think... 8)

Well, let us pray then that your troops are stronger than they look.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon captures Walefishire.
Post by: Velax on July 15, 2013, 06:28:57 AM
Well, let us pray then that your troops are stronger than they look.

Apparently they were.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon captures Walefishire.
Post by: Arundel on July 15, 2013, 07:09:49 AM
Apparently they were.

Heh.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon captures Walefishire.
Post by: Bjarnson on July 15, 2013, 07:49:44 AM
Asylon, the forever underestimated realm.

But we did take some major losses, far more then we had anticipated but its all good, we will wait for you to come with a second and third wave, if thats what it takes.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon captures Walefishire.
Post by: Sacha on July 15, 2013, 09:04:05 AM
Just goes to show that you that zero is never an appropriate number of siege engines for a siege :p
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon captures Walefishire.
Post by: Wolfsong on July 15, 2013, 09:24:55 AM
...unless you're Fissoa, fighting a seriously crippled Aurvandil in Tower Fatmilak.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Arrakis on July 15, 2013, 11:22:22 AM
I can only say well done to Asylon. They have made one of the most effective campaigns I've seen for a while. Taking two regions and decimating Astrum's big army. Bravo! Leopold is thrilled.

With the latest victory the war goes well for the Magna Saecularibus Alliance. So far Astrum has lost 3 region, 4th is about to fall, and now their mobile army has endured a defeat in detail which is very important. We have no illusions that Astrum won't be able to bounce back up in no time but it remains to be seen whether they can keep it up in the long term.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Indirik on July 15, 2013, 12:33:46 PM
Not once it becomes a three-on-one. We could probably keep it up for quite a while as a 2-v-1. Adding a third realm to the mix is gonna hurt. There's not many realms that could hold off three realms of such combined size.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 15, 2013, 01:14:53 PM
Good fight Astrum!
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Bjarnson on July 15, 2013, 08:28:53 PM
Not once it becomes a three-on-one. We could probably keep it up for quite a while as a 2-v-1. Adding a third realm to the mix is gonna hurt. There's not many realms that could hold off three realms of such combined size.

I can only second this.

But I still fear Astrum spawning thousands and thousands of heavy knights in shining armor to trample us all the way down to Itau...
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Zakilevo on July 15, 2013, 08:50:00 PM
Not once it becomes a three-on-one. We could probably keep it up for quite a while as a 2-v-1. Adding a third realm to the mix is gonna hurt. There's not many realms that could hold off three realms of such combined size.

Not unless we get like 60 nobles lol
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Geronus on July 15, 2013, 08:56:54 PM
Not once it becomes a three-on-one. We could probably keep it up for quite a while as a 2-v-1. Adding a third realm to the mix is gonna hurt. There's not many realms that could hold off three realms of such combined size.

We have to go for a quick knock out of someone, which is unlikely given the strategic depth everyone has to play with.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: pcw27 on July 15, 2013, 10:01:07 PM
On the Eastern front, Morek has cut Libero Empire in half. Wow I didn't even notice that till now.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Vita` on July 15, 2013, 10:20:35 PM
Libero Empire was already cut in half at Mt. Black Nastrond. The location of where they were cut in half just changed.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Frostwood on July 16, 2013, 12:33:17 AM
Not once it becomes a three-on-one. We could probably keep it up for quite a while as a 2-v-1. Adding a third realm to the mix is gonna hurt. There's not many realms that could hold off three realms of such combined size.
The whole Terran/D'Hara merger hurt Astrum, and caused a lot of political damage within the church.  Had Terran stood their ground, Astrum would have stood a better chance of winning. Terran's job was to hold out as long as possible, and they gave up.

In Niselur, our job was to face the Astrum and Corsanctum army as long as possible to allow our allies down south to do their work.  We had hoped we might win against Astrum, but as it turned out, Astrum won, but that was not our main objective.  The looting in Niselur helped stabilize our control situation as we were facing massive protests, and was close to Darfix going rogue, when your raiders went across the realm looting and causing the peasants to hate Astrum and Corsanctum, and stopping the protests.  We held on long enough to allow Asylon to complete their risky objective of doing two straight takeovers without a refit.

This was the first time that Asylon and Niselur worked together, so we had to trust in our allies abilities. Our trust it seems was rewarded.  Asylon is the stronger of the two realms, but Astrum couldn't resist trying to take out King Leopold, and in doing so ignored the fact that Asylon is more experienced in warfare, and knew what need to be done to weaken Astrum.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 16, 2013, 01:11:16 AM
Asylon is not done yet!  8)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Daimall on July 16, 2013, 01:53:12 AM
The whole Terran/D'Hara merger hurt Astrum, and caused a lot of political damage within the church.  Had Terran stood their ground, Astrum would have stood a better chance of winning. Terran's job was to hold out as long as possible, and they gave up.

In Niselur, our job was to face the Astrum and Corsanctum army as long as possible to allow our allies down south to do their work.  We had hoped we might win against Astrum, but as it turned out, Astrum won, but that was not our main objective.  The looting in Niselur helped stabilize our control situation as we were facing massive protests, and was close to Darfix going rogue, when your raiders went across the realm looting and causing the peasants to hate Astrum and Corsanctum, and stopping the protests.  We held on long enough to allow Asylon to complete their risky objective of doing two straight takeovers without a refit.

This was the first time that Asylon and Niselur worked together, so we had to trust in our allies abilities. Our trust it seems was rewarded.  Asylon is the stronger of the two realms, but Astrum couldn't resist trying to take out King Leopold, and in doing so ignored the fact that Asylon is more experienced in warfare, and knew what need to be done to weaken Astrum.

I don't know, I think it was more helpful for the Terran nobles to merge with Astrum rather then just hanging on in the Chateau, because now they can hire as much soldiers as they can lead from one of the richest realm in the continent (Of course, whether they remain profitable is to be seen.)

Attacking Asylon when they were not even in Astrum's lands yet would of been ridiculous considering Niselur was Taking over a region already. Of course the looting did help stabilize the situation enough so Niselur could raise taxes back again to normal levels, considering most of the stronger protest was from being at war with Astrum, but Astrum simply has little options in this war. They can't waste time taking over Niselur's regions while Asylon taking over core regions of theirs. The best they can do is loot and cause some tangible (temporary) damage in the short run, even though in the long run it may have benefited their enemies more.

If this condition persist where only Corsanctum can help Astrum, they will eventually be destroyed simply because each time they engage one of their enemies, one or two of their regions will fall to the other realms' armies and they lack the ability to permanently damage their enemies in some fashion.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Indirik on July 16, 2013, 04:51:08 AM
We have a very coherent strategy for our defense. The loss against Asylon was predicted, but unfortunate. We know we will lose land. Nothing we can do about it, so it's pointless to try and stop our enemies from taking every outlying region they can reach.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Lanyon on July 16, 2013, 04:54:10 AM
I'm extremely impressed by niselur and asylon. Your armies must have some pretty dang good cohesion because the numbers game is far on the side of Astrum.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: BarticaBoat on July 16, 2013, 05:03:45 AM
You guys forget a certain old man with a very long history of warfare is in Astrum 8)

I don't believe we've had a loss that wasn't anticipated yet.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 16, 2013, 05:41:01 AM
With the construction of the first time machine on Dwilight we have already predicted the outcome of every Astrum strategy since the beginning of time... Asylon.. Wins... Again... 8)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: pcw27 on July 16, 2013, 08:16:55 AM

If this condition persist where only Corsanctum can help Astrum, they will eventually be destroyed simply because each time they engage one of their enemies, one or two of their regions will fall to the other realms' armies and they lack the ability to permanently damage their enemies in some fashion.

If Corsanctum can completely cover the southern defense then this wont be the case. I also have high hopes for Morek sending troops. It's my understanding that the Lurians are mostly just raiding here and there.


In Niselur, our job was to face the Astrum and Corsanctum army as long as possible to allow our allies down south to do their work.  We had hoped we might win against Astrum, but as it turned out, Astrum won, but that was not our main objective.  The looting in Niselur helped stabilize our control situation as we were facing massive protests, and was close to Darfix going rogue, when your raiders went across the realm looting and causing the peasants to hate Astrum and Corsanctum, and stopping the protests.  We held on long enough to allow Asylon to complete their risky objective of doing two straight takeovers without a refit.


Is the war with Morek not also a problem?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Vonyx on July 16, 2013, 09:38:22 AM
Morek's army seems to be rather small so they are a minor threat for the time being.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Jaden on July 16, 2013, 09:59:17 AM
Morek are busy with Libero Empire and Lurian raiders, so Astrum has only tiny Corsanctum helping them...
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Vonyx on July 16, 2013, 10:03:33 AM
If they are still fighting lurian raider then they need to realize that Luria left Morek over a week ago.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 16, 2013, 01:15:15 PM
Guys can we keep strategy& tactics and troop movements/sizes and raids etc private?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: JeVondair on July 16, 2013, 04:10:47 PM
Guys can we keep strategy& tactics and troop movements etc private?

So long as observations made here to not endanger current strategies being made or executed, I rather like having an idea of what's going on up there.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Lorgan on July 16, 2013, 04:18:40 PM
Libero Empire was already cut in half at Mt. Black Nastrond. The location of where they were cut in half just changed.

They were cut in 3 before the war, now they're cut in half and have cut Morek in 2. Not saying they're winning the war but you've got to appreciate the small victories, don't you? :)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 16, 2013, 04:58:11 PM
So long as observations made here to not endanger current strategies being made or executed, I rather like having an idea of what's going on up there.

As long as they dont endanger long term strategies either. Sometimes the observations here are too eager to ascertain the nuances of movements like a 24 hour news broadcast. Much of strategy is knowing how to move within the fog of war better than your enemy and if they are reading stuff here it will affect their knowledge.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: JeVondair on July 16, 2013, 05:14:31 PM
As long as they dont endanger long term strategies either. Sometimes the observations here are too eager to ascertain the nuances of movements like a 24 hour news broadcast. Much of strategy is knowing how to move within the fog of war better than your enemy and if they are reading stuff here it will affect their knowledge.

Too true, but reports like what happened in a battle, who was wounded, whose unit did badass, what region got lost these are things I enjoy seeing. Essentially, a POV of the Huge Battle Reports everyone gets. Ya know?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 16, 2013, 05:56:26 PM
Agreed, but no one needs to know the size of Moreks puny army or Lurian stragglers in Morek.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Vita` on July 16, 2013, 06:00:09 PM
At what point were they cut in three at, Lorgan?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Sacha on July 16, 2013, 06:40:02 PM
I would guess between losing Rye and White Plains and taking Mt. Black Nastrond. That would've isolated Nifelhold.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Vita` on July 16, 2013, 06:47:46 PM
They didn't lose White Plains or Rye before the war started.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Sacha on July 16, 2013, 06:52:58 PM
Takeover   (3 days ago)
message to Everyone on Dwilight
Morek Empire has taken control of Rye. The region used to belong to Libero Empire.

Doesn't matter though, apparently they'd been cut into three pieces for some time, until they retook Mt. Black Nastrond.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Vita` on July 16, 2013, 07:02:15 PM
But where, if not Rye and White Plains?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Sacha on July 16, 2013, 07:18:22 PM
With Mt. Black Nastrond and White Plaisn under Morek's flag, Nifelhold was isolated. So you had the Storm's Keep duchy, the Springdale duchy, and Nifelhold, all separated from each other.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Vita` on July 16, 2013, 07:34:15 PM
But, again, that was *after* the war began. The claim was that they were split in three *before* the war began.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Lorgan on July 16, 2013, 08:59:30 PM
That was before the war. I actually repeatedly mocked them on IRC because of their isolated capital and the fact that they were split in 3. Guess you missed it. :)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Vita` on July 16, 2013, 09:05:21 PM
Well, they're mock-worthiness isn't in doubt. I just remember looking at the map several times pre-war and seeing White Plains and Rye flying Liberate banners, not Morekian banners. So I don't really know what you're talking about....
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Sacha on July 16, 2013, 09:08:14 PM
White Plains was Morek territory since before I unpaused 6 weeks ago...
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Vita` on July 16, 2013, 09:41:07 PM
I swear I saw otherwise, from January until the war began. Oh well. At times like this, I sure wish regions had a history of when they changed owners.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Leybrook on July 17, 2013, 05:24:37 AM
White Plains was a Libero province until last March/April. The region's recently elected ruler, Patrice, started mismanaging her region and her duke told her to get it under control, but she acted like a child and just switched to Morek, complained about being oppressed or something. Libero tried to negotiate with Morek, but their response was less than cordial and war almost broke out.

I'm all for having the option to switch sides, but one thing I don't understand is why breaking an oath has no ramifications for the character, or why switching sides can be done so early after being sworn it, why not implement a severe prestige or honour penalty at the very least? Such things shouldn't be taken lightly.

This is why Patrice is like 3rd on the bounty list in Dwilight, my character hates her with a passion and bumped her there (IRL, I don't care). Anyway, prior to the current war, Libero was having an internal (non-secretive) discussion about an alliance Morek had offered, the only 'demand' Libero had on its list was the head of Patrice. They declined.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Indirik on July 17, 2013, 12:43:24 PM
Enforcement of oaths and things like that is left up to the players. Any kind of mechanical enforcement would doubtless cause more problems than it would solve.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Perth on July 18, 2013, 06:18:02 AM
I'm all for having the option to switch sides, but one thing I don't understand is why breaking an oath has no ramifications for the character, or why switching sides can be done so early after being sworn it, why not implement a severe prestige or honour penalty at the very least? Such things shouldn't be taken lightly.

Because sometimes switching your allegiance can be the honorable thing to do.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: pcw27 on July 19, 2013, 09:48:32 AM
In other news, Turin Erickson the deposed king of Iashalur is now the marshal of Astrum's main army.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Wolfang on July 19, 2013, 10:08:38 AM
Does this thread cover the other wars in the continent as well or only the astum vs niselur & co ?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Jaden on July 19, 2013, 01:43:32 PM
it covers the Astrum + Corsanctum vs Niselur, FR, Asylon war and Morek vs Libero Empire and the Morek vs Luria Nova if I am not wrong.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Vonyx on July 19, 2013, 02:23:53 PM
Diplomatic News   (1 hour ago)
Morek Empire and Luria Nova have ended their hostilities and agreed to a cease fire.


Dun dun dun.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: JeVondair on July 19, 2013, 03:48:11 PM
(Braces for impact)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Wolfang on July 19, 2013, 04:07:57 PM
Did they even fight a battle before the cease fire?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Geronus on July 19, 2013, 04:10:46 PM
Did they even fight a battle before the cease fire?

I assume so since LN was TOing Donghai at one point. Morek must have broken that TO at the very least.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Vita` on July 19, 2013, 06:18:33 PM
Only after Luria Nova decided to vacate the region because they had no real interest in holding Donghai anyway. Prior to that, Morek decided to send wave after wave of failed attacked against Donghai.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Vellos on July 19, 2013, 10:42:59 PM
Did they even fight a battle before the cease fire?

A few skirmishes.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Wolfang on July 19, 2013, 10:54:00 PM
Well I'll just add this for the record then, in the Maroccidens the wars in Saffalore and Terran are/have drawn to a close.
Barca and Fissoa are both at war with Aurvandil and have both started invading said realm.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Wolfsong on July 20, 2013, 02:03:12 AM
The Fissoan-Aurvandil war started long before the "Great Dwilight War" though, so it's really not related to the other wars here.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Wolfang on July 20, 2013, 08:18:52 AM
I know that, but since this thread was initially about how all of Dwilight was at war I thought I'd mention it, even though some of the wars were already going on before the thread was started.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Jaden on July 20, 2013, 03:01:43 PM
So Niselur now has more regions than nobles.... Welcome to the club  ;)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Indirik on July 20, 2013, 03:29:49 PM
FWIW: Astrum beat up the FR expeditionary force in Libiddo. The FRs got massacred in a quick battle. Several were wounded.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Sacha on July 20, 2013, 03:37:47 PM
5 out of 6 to be precise 8)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Indirik on July 20, 2013, 07:23:51 PM
I think at least half of them are going to complete lose their entire unit, including their general.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Kwanstein on July 20, 2013, 08:21:51 PM
That's a good thing. Embarking from an enemy rural region with tons of wounded soldiers would take a lot of time and money. It would be less of a hassle for them to abandon their units and travel home solo, but that would cost them honour. It's convenient for them to let you eliminate their units, as it saves them the trouble.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Indirik on July 20, 2013, 09:00:46 PM
Sure, abondon 100-150 gold worth of trained, cohesive soldiers so you can save yourself 15 gold on the road home.

Yeah, pull my other leg.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Kwanstein on July 20, 2013, 09:16:38 PM
I think that in this case embarking would cost a lot more than that. Iirc, the last time I tried doing it from an enemy rural region, it's cost was in the area of one hundred gold and would have taken over thirty hours. This was with around thirty cavalry, all wounded. After ditching the cavalry, I was able to embark within a few hours, at the price of only ten or twenty gold.

The high cost of embarking under such circumstances is why Aurvandil elected to spend several days taking over Saffalore, which served no other purpose than to reduce fees, rather than leave immediately after trouncing Terran. If the act made the difference of a mere fifteen gold per noble they wouldn't have bothered.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Sacha on July 20, 2013, 09:21:42 PM
Dead soldiers need to be replaced, so the savings won't matter in the long run.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Indirik on July 20, 2013, 09:59:50 PM
Cavalry, in general, is more expensive to begin with. None of the Farronites had cavalry.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on July 20, 2013, 10:40:43 PM
Gold doesn't bother us. Trust me... we have PLENTY of that. We aren't worried about losing gold, more than likely it was hours that people were worried about.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Geronus on July 21, 2013, 01:22:46 AM
Gold doesn't bother us. Trust me... we have PLENTY of that. We aren't worried about losing gold, more than likely it was hours that people were worried about.

It's Dwilight. Pretty much everyone has more gold than they know what to do with, since almost everyone's a lord. Gold might as well be infinite for all the practical effect it has at the moment.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Feylonis on July 21, 2013, 01:27:35 AM
It's true. I'm a priestess with 2500 bonds worth of gold. I wish my little infiltrator in Atamara was this rich :(
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Marlboro on July 21, 2013, 01:30:21 AM
It was a gripping success in that you sent like a third of your army to deal with us. *Feels like a cool guy.*

Actually the senate came up with the plan, Paul was just carrying it out. This oughta give him more slack on the ol' leash.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Geronus on July 21, 2013, 01:34:38 AM
It's true. I'm a priestess with 2500 bonds worth of gold. I wish my little infiltrator in Atamara was this rich :(

Send it to your family and your infiltrator can have it  8)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: egamma on July 21, 2013, 03:03:59 AM
Send it to your family and your infiltrator can have it  8)

He couldn't get more than about 500 of it, actually. There are limits on family gold withdrawal/transfers.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Indirik on July 21, 2013, 03:43:00 AM
It was a gripping success in that you sent like a third of your army to deal with us. *Feels like a cool guy.*
I will admit that it was a surprise.

I will deny that it was a success. :)

It would have been better if I hadn't forgotten to click the Delay Arrival link... :(
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Frostwood on July 21, 2013, 05:56:20 AM
Karibash has 210 men!  He's like a one-man army.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Leybrook on July 21, 2013, 02:04:09 PM
Because sometimes switching your allegiance can be the honorable thing to do.
I can probably agree with Indirik's statement that it would overcomplicate game mechanics and best for in-game enforcement, but your claim of honourable oath breaking is a different one all together. In a serious medieval setting, it can never be 'the honourable thing to do'. The reason why you broke your oath doesn't matter, such a question is irrelevant, as oath breaking is not just breaking a social taboo, a mere promise of fealty, committing perjury, or treason against your liege. An oathbreaker in medieval times was traitor to the very Gods themselves (guaranteed a seat next to Judas and Satan), causing great dishonour and consequently denoting you as the lowest of the low; an accursed, even filthy peasants could kill you with impunity.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Stabbity on July 21, 2013, 03:17:29 PM
I can probably agree with Indirik's statement that it would overcomplicate game mechanics and best for in-game enforcement, but your claim of honourable oath breaking is a different one all together. In a serious medieval setting, it can never be 'the honourable thing to do'. The reason why you broke your oath doesn't matter, such a question is irrelevant, as oath breaking is not just breaking a social taboo, a mere promise of fealty, committing perjury, or treason against your liege. An oathbreaker in medieval times was traitor to the very Gods themselves (guaranteed a seat next to Judas and Satan), causing great dishonour and consequently denoting you as the lowest of the low; an accursed, even filthy peasants could kill you with impunity.

Unless the party changing allegiance felt that their liege had broken their end of the oath. I'll also point to the countless examples of vassals rebelling, etc throughout the middle ages who weren't viewed as Judas -esque (unless they lost).
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Leybrook on July 21, 2013, 04:29:58 PM
Unless the party changing allegiance felt that their liege had broken their end of the oath. I'll also point to the countless examples of vassals rebelling, etc throughout the middle ages who weren't viewed as Judas -esque (unless they lost).
Firstly, you can not break what has already been broken, true. Secondly, please do not think I am stopping you from listing those countless examples (of medieval vassals who outright broke their oaths of fealty and were still viewed as honourable).
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: pcw27 on July 21, 2013, 04:39:08 PM
Firstly, you can not break what has already been broken, true. Secondly, please do not think I am stopping you from listing those countless examples (of medieval vassals who outright broke their oaths of fealty and were still viewed as honourable).

He never said they were viewed as honorable just that they didn't become Judaesque pariahs.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: pcw27 on July 21, 2013, 04:40:44 PM
Karibash has 210 men!  He's like a one-man army.

But only 1500 cs.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Leybrook on July 21, 2013, 04:53:05 PM
He never said they were viewed as honorable just that they didn't become Judaesque pariahs.
And I never said they were viewed as Judasesque, just that they're guaranteed seats next to Judas and Satan, which was a reference to 'Divine Comedy' by Dante.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Perth on July 21, 2013, 07:23:11 PM
In a serious medieval setting, it can never be 'the honourable thing to do'.

Sure it can.

Your liege fails to uphold his end of the vassal-liege agreement.
Your liege becomes a heretic or pagan.

Two quick examples.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Sacha on July 21, 2013, 08:05:17 PM
In a serious medieval atmosphere, honor is just a word.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Marlboro on July 21, 2013, 08:15:39 PM
It would have been better if I hadn't forgotten to click the Delay Arrival link... :(

For one brief, shining moment I thought that was desperation. Then I saw the forces that'd just landed in the city and realized Brance was just bringing us lube.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Asylon defeats Astrum army
Post by: Leybrook on July 21, 2013, 09:01:20 PM
Sure it can.

Your liege fails to uphold his end of the vassal-liege agreement.
Your liege becomes a heretic or pagan.

Two quick examples.

I just realized I must have misread your previous post; I thought we were discussing a vassal breaking an oath outright, rather than the simple case of switching allegiances after the feudal contract had already been forfeited. My fault, apologies. To reiterate what I have previously stated: you can not break what has already been broken, so I agree with you.

In a serious medieval atmosphere, honor is just a word.
It shouldn't be, especially in SMA.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Miriam Ics on July 21, 2013, 10:51:22 PM
In a serious medieval atmosphere, honor is just a word.

Shouldn't be the opposite?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Anaris on July 21, 2013, 10:53:01 PM
Shouldn't be the opposite?

Sacha's idea of SMA is that every single character should be looking for how he can betray every other character—especially the ones he owes fealty to—for his own advantage, all the time.

So, in other words, it's just like Game of Thrones.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Sacha on July 21, 2013, 11:07:32 PM
Jeez Tim, it's been 2 years, surely your butthole has healed by now. If that were true, I'd have taken the dozen or so earlier opportunities presented to me to shaft Alanna, instead of saving her ass. And technically, Amaury never actually betrayed her. The first time he got banned after Fulco sold him out, and the second time you rage-paused after finding out OOC that all three of your Dukes were ready to kick you out, kthxbai.

What I was saying was that words, oaths, deals, agreements and pacts were broken constantly in the Middle Ages. In the end an oath is only as solid as as the ones enforcing it.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Arundel on July 21, 2013, 11:26:02 PM
In the end an oath is only as solid as as the ones enforcing it.

As is almost everything else.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: BarticaBoat on July 22, 2013, 02:59:02 AM
Karibash has 210 men!  He's like a one-man army.
That he is  8)

But only 1500 cs.
I seriously hope you don't think that the offensive capabilities of a unit are the sole purpose for recruiting one? How about Karibash sits out the next battle and you can see what it's like to lose 50% of your infantry?  ;D

Sacha's idea of SMA is that every single character should be looking for how he can betray every other character—especially the ones he owes fealty to—for his own advantage, all the time.

So, in other words, it's just like Game of Thrones.
I, for one, really dislike this Game of Thrones mentality in BM.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Cato on July 22, 2013, 03:22:02 AM
I seriously hope you don't think that the offensive capabilities of a unit are the sole purpose for recruiting one? How about Karibash sits out the next battle and you can see what it's like to lose 50% of your infantry?  ;D

Does a unit's ability to soak damage scale linearly with its size? I've never really thought about this but I guess I always assumed that the diminishing cs returns for larger units were a factor of both decreased offensive and defensive capabilities.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Daimall on July 22, 2013, 03:33:16 AM
Karibash has not only the numbers to preform a quicker takeover, but as well as maintaining a high CS even with casualties. If he gets half of his men killed or wounded, then he still have perhaps 800-900 CS left,  which is nothing to scoff at. Basically I guess its like the concept of the Persian Immortals, one falls and another immediately takes his place (for awhile).

Of course, it does come with the natural drawback of what I would imagine a hideously slow travel time, compounded by Karibash old age. Oh and if battle is not given then I wouldn't want to know the repair cost and time for that kind of unit.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: BarticaBoat on July 22, 2013, 03:40:08 AM
Karibash has not only the numbers to preform a quicker takeover, but as well as maintaining a high CS even with casualties. If he gets half of his men killed or wounded, then he still have perhaps 800-900 CS left,  which is nothing to scoff at. Basically I guess its like the concept of the Persian Immortals, one falls and another immediately takes his place (for awhile).

Of course, it does come with the natural drawback of what I would imagine a hideously slow travel time, compounded by Karibash old age. Oh and if battle is not given then I wouldn't want to know the repair cost and time for that kind of unit.
And we have a winner! The unit is pretty high armour, so we soak up a ridiculous amount of damage. Astrumese units have always been known for hitting hard but not taking hits, I'm complementing the rest of the army. Combine a strong front line with our pretty legendary archers and there are definite reasons for having a massive unit. Also, Karibash has a massive unit.

The travel isn't that bad, travel penalties cap out far below 200 men but I did take 3 days and a ridiculous amount of gold to repair ~40% damage.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Zakilevo on July 22, 2013, 04:43:08 AM
More you unit you have, lesser CS you will gain from having those additional units due to diminishing returns. However, it works both ways. You won't lose as much CS from losing your men as well. The only downside of having over 200 men is repair time. These days, repair cost isn't that much but when you have to sit in your city to repair equipment for a week, you will not want to command so many men.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: pcw27 on July 22, 2013, 05:04:56 AM
Sacha's idea of SMA is that every single character should be looking for how he can betray every other character—especially the ones he owes fealty to—for his own advantage, all the time.

So, in other words, it's just like Game of Thrones.

Not quite to get it right you need quite a few naive fools who truly believe in fealty, honor and nobility.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Wolfsong on July 22, 2013, 05:56:52 AM
Ah yes... That serious medieval atmosphere in A Song of Ice and Fire, where wights and dragons exist, magic abounds in the long winter and dies in the summer, where men can invade the minds of animals and other men and morph into giant, sentient trees, and The Wall is built across an ancient leyline tapped by priestesses and gods to reanimate the dead.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on July 22, 2013, 06:18:40 AM
Ah yes... That serious medieval atmosphere in A Song of Ice and Fire, where wights and dragons exist, magic abounds in the long winter and dies in the summer, where men can invade the minds of animals and other men and morph into giant, sentient trees, and The Wall is built across an ancient leyline tapped by priestesses and gods to reanimate the dead.

Ah yes, the serious medieval atmosphere of Dwilight, where scrolls of magic exist, daimons control parts of the western continent, monsters (who remain vaguely named) ravage regions and undead rise from their graves to attack the living.

See what I did there? Serious Medieval Atmosphere is about atmosphere, not exact content.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: pcw27 on July 22, 2013, 07:22:00 AM
So Sergio just captured Kas.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Daimall on July 22, 2013, 07:35:50 AM
Yep, not too sure how Sergio's guards manage to capture him, considering his unit was pretty much decimated and scattered, but that is how it went I guess. Maybe it those two guards from the Total War series?

Leave it to Kas Mayham to do something crazy.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: pcw27 on July 22, 2013, 07:39:31 AM
I guess in game you always have at least two bodyguards to defend you.

In any case I can't wait to hear what happens next. Torture, a ban in preparation for execution. So many possibilities.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Indirik on July 22, 2013, 12:39:24 PM
Yep, not too sure how Sergio's guards manage to capture him, considering his unit was pretty much decimated and scattered, but that is how it went I guess.
Maybe Kas is just an incompetent infiltrator?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Sacha on July 22, 2013, 12:47:47 PM
I guess because of his high sword skills he thought he didn't need the infil skill to match. WRONGGG.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 22, 2013, 02:55:58 PM
Kas will escape his chains in a fit of mayhem and dash headling through a wall and into the night... Not
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Frostwood on July 22, 2013, 05:05:05 PM
Maybe Kas is just an incompetent infiltrator?
Until the war, he was a diplomat, until the war in which he changed classes.  I don't think we were aware that he had become an infiltrator until now.  I guess he thought all he needed was swordsmanship.

That crazy Kas Mayhem....
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Sarwell on July 22, 2013, 07:02:54 PM
Until the war, he was a diplomat, until the war in which he changed classes.  I don't think we were aware that he had become an infiltrator until now.  I guess he thought all he needed was swordsmanship.

That crazy Kas Mayhem....
He probably became an infiltrator because the inherent renegade jerkiness suited his personality infinitely more than a role whose main duty is to be a smooth-talking nice guy.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Wolfang on July 23, 2013, 10:19:58 AM
Hey look what I found,

http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Dwilight_University/History/The_Great_Continental_War!

Frostwood, will you make a wiki page about this great dwi war, with tabs for each theater?


It seems Astrum's noble count has gone up quite nicely since the war started.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Frostwood on July 23, 2013, 11:00:05 AM
Hey look what I found,

http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Dwilight_University/History/The_Great_Continental_War!

Frostwood, will you make a wiki page about this great dwi war, with tabs for each theater?


It seems Astrum's noble count has gone up quite nicely since the war started.
I'll try to do something after work.

Astrum's count has gone up because all the nobles from Terran are joining the crusade, and a few others from various realms.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Indirik on July 23, 2013, 12:43:30 PM
We've had several players who used to play in Astrum come back for this war, as well as some other players who had left Dwilight came back.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Arrakis on July 23, 2013, 04:41:55 PM
Astrum's count has gone up because all the nobles from Terran are joining the crusade, and a few others from various realms.

...while Niselur's count has pretty much remained the same. This is a big wtf for me and not what I expected. For some reason Astrum is all of a sudden the most popular realm around. I wonder where all those SA/Astrum haters are, or it simply seems that the community doesn't have any players to spare anymore. In either case, it's no good for Niselur if we can't go above 20 players and this irritates me quite a bit. They say if you build it they will come. We've built it but it doesn't seem like anyone is coming.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Stabbity on July 23, 2013, 04:46:22 PM
Moderator's note: off-color comment removed. Keep it clean and polite, please.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Wolfang on July 23, 2013, 05:07:35 PM
Yeah I saw that Arrakis, maybe it's just that Niselur is so isolated from everything? I don't know. the people who are anti SA might be joining other anti SA realms like Asylon or LN or wtv, whereas SA lovers have much less choice, and right now Astrum is getting a lot of action (fighting 3 enemies).
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Lefanis on July 23, 2013, 05:34:28 PM
They say if you build it they will come. We've built it but it doesn't seem like anyone is coming.
There's a reason the classical theory was abandoned  :P
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 23, 2013, 05:50:16 PM
Have patience... Dont fight like a Terran, you must fight more than two battles to wage a war.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Dishman on July 23, 2013, 06:07:38 PM
...while Niselur's count has pretty much remained the same. This is a big wtf for me and not what I expected.

Astrum is beset on all sides. I saw the same thing happen in Perdan when 4 different realms declare war on one, people flock to the center of the heat. I'm sure you've seen a noble or two join you, but you are losing potential nobles to Farronite, Asylon, Luria, and Libero. Astrum only has to contend with sleepy Morek and Corsanctum.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Indirik on July 23, 2013, 06:12:18 PM
...while Niselur's count has pretty much remained the same. This is a big wtf for me and not what I expected. For some reason Astrum is all of a sudden the most popular realm around. I wonder where all those SA/Astrum haters are...
They are spread out across at least three realms: Niselur, Asylon, and FR. Possibly more in some other realms such as Phantaria. Taken altogether, you guys still severely outnumber Astrum. Not only that, but thanks to the 3-on-1 nature of the war, Astrum is actually the underdog here.

Besides, no one really *hates* Astrum. We're such nice people, completely unimposing, and willing to help out everywhere.

Or, you could interpret it as a solid condemnation of the unjust nature of the war you started for personal glory and power. ;)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Indirik on July 23, 2013, 06:35:41 PM
One thing I always wondered, was what is meant by "Magna Saecularibus". There are a great many possibilities given the definition of Saecularibus, and quite a few of them are very unflattering...
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Arrakis on July 23, 2013, 06:57:42 PM
One thing I always wondered, was what is meant by "Magna Saecularibus". There are a great many possibilities given the definition of Saecularibus, and quite a few of them are very unflattering...

I don't think I've seen it being used IC ever. It is a forum thing really, and the western alliance has no realm name (even though attempts have been made to come up with one but with no success). It shouldn't be taken for granted.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 23, 2013, 07:05:00 PM
I don't think I've seen it being used IC ever. It is a forum thing really, and the western alliance has no realm name (even though attempts have been made to come up with one but with no success). It shouldn't be taken for granted.

I cant even spell or read it for more than 1 second and my mind forgets... What does Saecularbuissisuius mean?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Arrakis on July 23, 2013, 07:24:48 PM
Besides, no one really *hates* Astrum. We're such nice people, completely unimposing, and willing to help out everywhere.

No, you're usually seen as a boring and silent superpower that stops the northwest from having fun. Drone realm, placed there just to preserve the power of the few Church individuals. The fun part is no longer true I guess, although I have yet to see any real evidences of the fun this war triggered, at least on my part. It is cool to run around taking over regions, but it is not cool when it takes over a week to finish a takeover of a rural region just because there are too few players to hit the support-the-TO button repeatedly to make it a pleasant experience.

Or, you could interpret it as a solid condemnation of the unjust nature of the war you started for personal glory and power. ;)

Whatever it is I have to admit that it is killing my buzz. This war has been triggered with the intent to revitalize the northern part of Dwilight many cheered for, but so far the players that heeded the call so to speak, have been but minor reinforcements on Astrum's side. Niselur, Asylon and FR got the amount of players that is not even worth mentioning. The expected scope of this war can never be truly reached as long as this few players want to participate in, on either side, regardless of how unbelievable it is to me that anyone would want to pick the side of Astrum in this war. It is a general community fail IMO.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: vonGenf on July 23, 2013, 07:30:58 PM
The expected scope of this war can never be truly reached as long as this few players want to participate in, on either side, regardless of how unbelievable it is to me that anyone would want to pick the side of Astrum in this war. It is a general community fail IMO.

You know, the most likely explanation is that the people in Astrum like Astrum and the people in Niselur like Niselur. This is a nice, believable, properly RPed perfectly SMA war. There is no need to make it about "the community wanting to remove Astrum".
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Daycryn on July 23, 2013, 07:47:42 PM
Not everyone wanted this war.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: sharkattack on July 23, 2013, 08:07:38 PM
Did Niselur just suicide their army or what?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 23, 2013, 08:15:48 PM
Asylon is having fun in this war. Who cares if Astrum got 2 or 3 extra players. Astrum has a long standing reputation as a strong military realm. Niselur has absolutely no reputation at all really brcause for 99% of its history it sat in the north west corner of Dwilight and did nothing. This is your time to build your reputation and from the sounds of your last post Niselur is already getting ready to fold up shop and the war hasnt even started yet. This is the time you either rise as king and lords of your lands and show people that you will bring something to the grand banquet of Dwilight history or crumble like a cake. People are watching and waiting to see how Niselur reacts and takes a few bloody noses, once you show that you are here to fight, people take notice.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Wolfang on July 23, 2013, 08:18:33 PM
Arrakis, what did you expect, a massive increase in the amount of players? The only way to achieve that is through other forums, otherwise it will always remain the randomn one or two nobles that join the realm in the normal fashion, having a war will increase the odds for this to happen, but Niselur has only been at war for a couple of weeks, whereas other realms have been in several wars constantly and have thus managed to attract the players looking for a realm, in the past.

If you had been the only realm fighting against Astrum, I'm sure nobody would have bothered joining Astrum and several people might've joined Niselur, but now Astrum is the underdog realm (damn it looks so much smaller already), and people like joining underdog realms.

It's the Great Dwilight War, pretty much every realm is at war and is campaigning, and even as a knight, I think it's pretty fun, with the Saffalorians joining Barca, we now have more than 3 nobles per region which is pretty insane for a realm with dirt-poor regions. But hey, we'll be getting quite a few new ones now at least from Aurvandil.

It's clear the war has at least one positive effect, as it has revived Astrum. Hopefully they keep it fun this time and don't make everyone pause their characters to boredom again.

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ninja'd by glaumring, my post is in the same line as his in some ways

edit:

Looking at realm statistics, it looks like niselur is doing fine, your noble count has gone up. Maybe you should consider not-expanding. It doesn't really seem necessary to take over all those regions when you're already with a surplus of regions without lords. Just pillage and kill, or consider losing some regions, or split your realm because, damn it's quite large.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Zakilevo on July 23, 2013, 08:30:38 PM
The locals are grateful for defeating the evil forces plaguing their region.

Even peasants know Niselur is evil!  8)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Qyasogk on July 23, 2013, 08:38:00 PM
They say if you build it they will come. We've built it but it doesn't seem like anyone is coming.

Oh, there's definitely some people coming.  8)

I think all this time while Astrum had been protecting you from the dangers of the rest of Dwilight, you turned into spoiled brats who just wanted to have a little fun. So you stab your friendly protective neighbor in the back, because like a bully you've got your friends backing you up so you feel a little tougher than you actually are.

Only what you've actually done is woken the dragon. And now "fun" has arrived to play with you, just like you always wanted.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: pcw27 on July 23, 2013, 08:38:49 PM
...while Niselur's count has pretty much remained the same. This is a big wtf for me and not what I expected. For some reason Astrum is all of a sudden the most popular realm around. I wonder where all those SA/Astrum haters are, or it simply seems that the community doesn't have any players to spare anymore. In either case, it's no good for Niselur if we can't go above 20 players and this irritates me quite a bit. They say if you build it they will come. We've built it but it doesn't seem like anyone is coming.

Astrum has the church to recruit from. The word gets out faster that way. This is made very evident by the reactivation of several astroists who'd been big players a couple years ago but have since gone dark.

Your country has a large number of newer players so they're unlikely to have connections in and out of game by which to inform people that there's an interesting war going on they might want to get involved in.

You probably would have been better off treating this withdrawal from the federation in a manner similar to a rebellion. You could have founded a secret society based on combatting religious fundamentalism and thereby built up a support base. Imagine if you'd gotten a duke or two on board willing to secede their duchies in support of the war.

The idea that you'll start a war and people will rush to your side isn't working out because most of the key motivations to join just aren't there. They won't be helping an underdog because now Astrum is the one getting ganged up on. They won't join for easy conquests because that's Asylon's department.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 23, 2013, 08:39:27 PM
Astrums army and economy, realm size, noble count since forever have been through the roof for a long long time. If you decide to take on Astrum be ready for a slog. Asylons strategy in the last two wars was essentially just to turtle up and allow Astrum to pound on us until it was exhausted and wanted peace out of boredom. But thats how we survived, it might not be a glorious strategy but it isnt about glory, its about survival, killing and bloody slogging muddy quagmire horrors of war. For the first time in Dwilight history we have a good chance to make Astrum turtle under our blows and all we need to do us focus, communicate and be relatively active.

Trust me, the long beautiful drawn out strategies of war like a chess game with ebb and flow like a macabre dance will dash every thought of peace or glory from your mind, when after a while you have slept in only your armour for weeks, your sword almost your arm and your eyes see a thousand miles like black rimmed coals only then will you know war and be servant of battle.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: pcw27 on July 23, 2013, 08:40:21 PM
The locals are grateful for defeating the evil forces plaguing their region.

Even peasants know Niselur is evil!  8)

Ha ha, it's cause there was a monster group in the region too, but no matter, it's great propaganda.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 23, 2013, 08:42:20 PM
Bah! The men of Astrum bleed... They can be beaten!
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Sacha on July 23, 2013, 08:44:15 PM
Well, the monsters didn't fight in the battle AFAIK, so the evil forces must be the defeated Niselurians!  :P
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Feylonis on July 23, 2013, 08:47:41 PM
But thats how we survived, it might not be a glorious strategy but it isnt about glory, its about survival, killing and bloody slogging muddy quagmire horrors of war.

What? For the longest time you've been trumpeting that "who cares if we lose, GLORIOUS WAR!!!"

Keep the story straight, please.

As for the whole deal about the war starting to favor Astrum...what'd you expect when you aligned with questionably likeable characters such as Glaumring or Jonsu? Granted, it might have been balanced out with a Kabrinski and Vellos...but both are still pretty good at rallying up people behind them. The former two are kind of notorious for being quite the opposite. Maybe the answer to the noble count mystery is somewhere along those lines.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Anaris on July 23, 2013, 08:49:17 PM
What? For the longest time you've been trumpeting that "who cares if we lose, GLORIOUS WAR!!!"

Keep the story straight, please.

Glaumring hasn't kept his story straight for two consecutive weeks the entire time he's been a public figure on Dwilight. Why on earth do you think he would start now...?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War: Astrum breaks Niselur in Zereth
Post by: Lefanis on July 23, 2013, 08:51:15 PM
Keep the story straight, please.
You realize that we're talking about Glaumring here, right...  Keeping it straight isn't his greatest strength  :P
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: pcw27 on July 23, 2013, 09:01:33 PM
I wonder who'd win in a crazy contest between Glaumring and Kas.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 23, 2013, 09:04:47 PM
Feylonis, how do you like fighting on Asylons side in this war? Get your story straight you swerve all over the place. You say I cannot attract people to a cause yet... My realm is in the top 4 for nobles in Dwilight. Not saying im the reason they all joined Asylon, but I might be a reason why they have stayed so long  8)

Ahem... Sorry our realm is 3rd largest noble count... Cough cough

Also would like to remind Feylonis and anyone else who cares that Feylonis is a person who betrayed her realm to join a realm that dissolved itself to form a realm that is now in an alliance with Asylon. Basically anything that comes out of her mouth is just hilarious and to be ignored.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Geronus on July 23, 2013, 09:19:26 PM
Whatever it is I have to admit that it is killing my buzz. This war has been triggered with the intent to revitalize the northern part of Dwilight many cheered for, but so far the players that heeded the call so to speak, have been but minor reinforcements on Astrum's side. Niselur, Asylon and FR got the amount of players that is not even worth mentioning. The expected scope of this war can never be truly reached as long as this few players want to participate in, on either side, regardless of how unbelievable it is to me that anyone would want to pick the side of Astrum in this war. It is a general community fail IMO.

I'm one of those "minor reinforcements." I came back because I'm quite attached to Astrum, and would prefer not to see it get blown up. After all, I had a significant hand in building it in the first place.

The fact is, there's not enough players to go around anymore. People who aren't invested in Dwilight aren't likely to leave islands they are invested in just to participate in this war; after all, there's plenty going on everywhere else. And people who are invested in Dwilight probably already have a character there, so that's that. The only exception is players like me who used to play on Dwilight but didn't anymore when the war started, and we are far more likely to be attached to (and thus return to) older realms like Morek and Astrum than wet-behind-the-ears upstarts like the Farronite Republic and the new-look Niselur. Players with no history on Dwilight just don't have any reason to hate Astrum, or like what you're doing in Niselur.

Tom has said that he now views opening Dwilight as a mistake, and much as I love the island I'm inclined to agree in retrospect. It's too big relative to the size of our current player base, and the lack of characters is absolutely robbing this war (and most other possible conflicts) of its potential. With so few characters, most of the realms involved can't really expand much, which greatly limits what can be accomplished by either side.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 23, 2013, 09:34:32 PM
Best mistake ever...
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Wolfang on July 23, 2013, 09:35:14 PM
Hopefully M&F will be a mistake similar to Dwilight  :P
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: pcw27 on July 23, 2013, 10:23:43 PM

Tom has said that he now views opening Dwilight as a mistake, and much as I love the island I'm inclined to agree in retrospect. It's too big relative to the size of our current player base, and the lack of characters is absolutely robbing this war (and most other possible conflicts) of its potential. With so few characters, most of the realms involved can't really expand much, which greatly limits what can be accomplished by either side.

There's a pretty simple remedy to that, allow a second character. Unfortunately Tom has declared this a non-option. Maybe it would be effective to lower the character limit on Beluterra to only one noble. It makes sense canonically since much of the continent was destroyed and thus there just isn't as much space for people.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Geronus on July 23, 2013, 10:29:17 PM
There's a pretty simple remedy to that, allow a second character. Unfortunately Tom has declared this a non-option. Maybe it would be effective to lower the character limit on Beluterra to only one noble. It makes sense canonically since much of the continent was destroyed and thus there just isn't as much space for people.

Even if this results in the surge of new arrivals that people are expecting, those characters will have to come from somewhere else. You'll just spread the problem to other islands. I recommend following the Closing Islands ? thread in General Discussion.

http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,4894.0.html (http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,4894.0.html)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 23, 2013, 10:54:59 PM
Oh god merge all *drool* that would be so wicked to have a huge world map of the other servers and could invade or be invaded. That way no one loses their old way of playing but gains so much more.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur defeated at Zereth
Post by: Frostwood on July 23, 2013, 11:40:15 PM
snip
We knew this would be risk.  We knew we would be facing the brunt of Astrum's armies, and that they had experienced generals.  We are a relatively new realm, who lacks flavour compared to the likes of Asylon.

There ways to increase our noble count and power, but they require great sacrifice.  Don't lose your ambition because we aren't getting the nobles we'd like.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 23, 2013, 11:47:46 PM
Niselur, Asylon, the Farronites and Phantaria... There we have plenty of nobles...
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Arrakis on July 23, 2013, 11:58:20 PM
The majority here didn't really understand my post. I am not complaining for Astrum gaining the upper hand in war or anything, but because really, they don't. It is a matter of numbers and geography and I am still quite confident that Astrum will be defeated, especially 'cause Leopold has some other plans that haven't yet been revealed. The problem is that any major plans require real people to make those plans happen. But since having a simple knight in a region is similar to finding a drop of water in the deserts this is really becoming a problem as most basic things like TOing a rural region take over a week to finish; again, the lack of players deems it no other way. It is slow, not fun and quite boring to play like that from my perspective. I do thank those that gave inspirational and also condemning posts, however, if you have any left of either do feel free to send it Leopold's way and not mine for my post was about something entirely different than bitching for in-game events.

Geronus' opinion came closest to my own. BM simply has no players left to spare, or Dwilight is not attractive enough. And yeah, I was not just hoping but also expecting that at least 10 nobles would join on each side of this war in the first few weeks. Obviously this was a gross miscalculation that I see now. However, BM always worked that way for such tense wars like this one is is a haven for the glory hunters which abound through BM universe. The latest example of Silnaria proves this formula still works, for due to good PR and the everlasting hatred for CE Silnaria has managed to gain impressive player reinforcements. I don't get it why Niselur didn't receive at least a tiny portion of that, for I believe the story is good and interesting and I am super sure that it has much more to offer than realms like Silnaria in both advancements and roleplay. In the end, it is quite same to me whether Niselur loses or wins, although normally I'd prefer to win. However, whichever way it goes I'd prefer it to be accompanied by much greater participation of many many more players than this.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Feylonis on July 24, 2013, 02:40:38 AM
Feylonis, how do you like fighting on Asylons side in this war? Get your story straight you swerve all over the place. You say I cannot attract people to a cause yet... My realm is in the top 4 for nobles in Dwilight. Not saying im the reason they all joined Asylon, but I might be a reason why they have stayed so long  8)

Ahem... Sorry our realm is 3rd largest noble count... Cough cough

Also would like to remind Feylonis and anyone else who cares that Feylonis is a person who betrayed her realm to join a realm that dissolved itself to form a realm that is now in an alliance with Asylon. Basically anything that comes out of her mouth is just hilarious and to be ignored.

What a classic example of ad hominem.

I'm also definitely not fighting for Asylon in this war. A huge chunk of Mech Derris' gold, for example, I keep out of the war effort by placing them in SA temples. I also have a notable amount of influence in FR and a few more tricks up my traitorous sleeve, enough to ensure that FR does not completely mobilize in the war ;)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Lefanis on July 24, 2013, 02:48:04 AM
I also have a notable amount of influence in FR and a few more tricks up my traitorous sleeve
In SA, we call 'em heroes.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 24, 2013, 08:24:36 AM
What a classic example of ad hominem.

I'm also definitely not fighting for Asylon in this war. A huge chunk of Mech Derris' gold, for example, I keep out of the war effort by placing them in SA temples. I also have a notable amount of influence in FR and a few more tricks up my traitorous sleeve, enough to ensure that FR does not completely mobilize in the war ;)

Awesome.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Stabbity on July 24, 2013, 10:08:36 AM
In SA, we call 'em heroes.

You called people heroes for joining a realm that lasted like a month too.
(http://www.agileproductdesign.com/blog/images/inigo.jpg)

Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur army defeated, Phantaria takes Saffalore
Post by: Frostwood on July 24, 2013, 09:30:50 PM
Phantaria takes Saffalore, it seems Phantaria is on the rise, with old players returning.  Aurvandil seems to be eaten up at a surprising rate.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur army defeated, Phantaria takes Saffalore
Post by: Perth on July 24, 2013, 09:51:27 PM
Phantaria takes Saffalore, it seems Phantaria is on the rise, with old players returning.  Aurvandil seems to be eaten up at a surprising rate.

And the Chateau Saffalore has been all but abandoned. There is only one noble still there, I believe. And all of its militia has been disbanded. We're just going to walk in and plant the Golden Tree Banner on the Old Republic's capital building.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur army defeated, Phantaria takes Saffalore
Post by: Sarwell on July 24, 2013, 10:15:00 PM
And the Chateau Saffalore has been all but abandoned. There is only one noble still there, I believe. And all of its militia has been disbanded. We're just going to walk in and plant the Golden Tree Banner on the Old Republic's capital building.
From the numbers on the scout report, it looks like we could just send two people in and win. Obviously that's not the best course of action, but it'd be possible.

I'm curious why all the militia was disbanded. Did they just give up?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur army defeated, Phantaria takes Saffalore
Post by: Perth on July 24, 2013, 11:08:39 PM
I'm curious why all the militia was disbanded. Did they just give up?

They probably weren't getting paid and/or starving.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur army defeated, Phantaria takes Saffalore
Post by: Sarwell on July 24, 2013, 11:28:00 PM
They probably weren't getting paid and/or starving.
Right, forgot about upkeep costs.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur captures Zereth
Post by: Vellos on July 25, 2013, 02:58:54 AM
Geronus' opinion came closest to my own. BM simply has no players left to spare, or Dwilight is not attractive enough. And yeah, I was not just hoping but also expecting that at least 10 nobles would join on each side of this war in the first few weeks. Obviously this was a gross miscalculation that I see now. However, BM always worked that way for such tense wars like this one is is a haven for the glory hunters which abound through BM universe. The latest example of Silnaria proves this formula still works, for due to good PR and the everlasting hatred for CE Silnaria has managed to gain impressive player reinforcements. I don't get it why Niselur didn't receive at least a tiny portion of that, for I believe the story is good and interesting and I am super sure that it has much more to offer than realms like Silnaria in both advancements and roleplay. In the end, it is quite same to me whether Niselur loses or wins, although normally I'd prefer to win. However, whichever way it goes I'd prefer it to be accompanied by much greater participation of many many more players than this.

I agree with that, but I would note that, until very recently, Dwiligjht's player retention track record was head-and-shoulders better than everywhere else except FEI. The continents formerly hemorrhaging players were Atamara and East Island. That may have changed now with the big wars in Atamara and a longish slow period for Dwilight.

I would suggest, however, that you may have misread what is attractive about "compelling stories." Compelling stories only attract new players if they are compelling stories you can't get anywhere else in BM or with long and extensive histories involving many players (historical grudge matches like Rio/Enweil, for example).

What has historically drawn players to Dwilight is Sanguis Astroism's hyper-dominance and the wilderness/colonization paradigm which, coupled with one character rules, allows lots of position turnover and new opportunities for new players. I recall a while back slaving away on some data I never finished about the average time in-game of dukes and rulers and such and found that Dwilight and Beluaterra were about half as long as the other continents.

My point is: if your war is perceived by players as ADDING something exciting and unique (Silverfire does a good job selling the idea that his various and sundry project realms will be exciting and unique) or plays into a longstanding feud (CE vs. The World), then it'll get the usual war-seeker bump. But if your war doesn't play into a long-term grudge match or isn't obviously a war FOR something unique, you won't see big player influxes: and a war for a benignly secular monarchy with some goals of limited expansion alongside its gang-banging allies in a long-distance war with few battles isn't really a compelling sell.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur army defeated, Phantaria takes Saffalore
Post by: Vellos on July 25, 2013, 02:59:43 AM
And the Chateau Saffalore has been all but abandoned. There is only one noble still there, I believe. And all of its militia has been disbanded. We're just going to walk in and plant the Golden Tree Banner on the Old Republic's capital building.

Hey, old buddy old pal... wanna be friends again? That whole theocracy thing, heh, you know that was just, well, hey let's let bygones be bygones, shall we?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur army defeated, Phantaria takes Saffalore
Post by: Perth on July 25, 2013, 07:09:15 AM
Hey, old buddy old pal... wanna be friends again? That whole theocracy thing, heh, you know that was just, well, hey let's let bygones be bygones, shall we?

My love can be earned back; I'm not an unforgiving man....
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur army defeated, Phantaria takes Saffalore
Post by: Jaden on July 25, 2013, 12:52:33 PM
Phantaria takes Saffalore, it seems Phantaria is on the rise, with old players returning.  Aurvandil seems to be eaten up at a surprising rate.

I though saffalore switch over to D'hara?  ??? did D'hara hand it over to Phantaria or am I mixing up my regions?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur army defeated, Phantaria takes Saffalore
Post by: Chenier on July 25, 2013, 12:54:52 PM
I though saffalore switch over to D'hara?  ??? did D'hara hand it over to Phantaria or am I mixing up my regions?

It revolted, because 1) we didn't care for it and 2) the lord let it starve itself into rebellion. Phantaria then TOed it without any resistance whatsoever from anyone.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur army defeated, Phantaria takes Saffalore
Post by: Sarwell on July 25, 2013, 04:12:57 PM
It revolted, because 1) we didn't care for it and 2) the lord let it starve itself into rebellion. Phantaria then TOed it without any resistance whatsoever from anyone.
That's not technically true - Javier from Terran was there when we first attacked, and came back right before the TO was finished. But that was the entirety of the resistance.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur army defeated, Phantaria takes Saffalore
Post by: pcw27 on July 25, 2013, 08:23:14 PM
Alright, now it can forever be a contested holy land.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur army defeated, Phantaria takes Saffalore
Post by: Chenier on July 25, 2013, 10:56:48 PM
That's not technically true - Javier from Terran was there when we first attacked, and came back right before the TO was finished. But that was the entirety of the resistance.

Well, I meant any realm. What realm does Javier belong to anyways? His name doesn't sound familiar...
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur army defeated, Phantaria takes Saffalore
Post by: Sarwell on July 26, 2013, 03:40:05 AM
Well, I meant any realm. What realm does Javier belong to anyways? His name doesn't sound familiar...
He's kind of new.

I believe he is the only "native Terranian" left - that is, someone who neither left Terran to begin with nor moved there after the theocratization.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur army defeated, Phantaria takes Saffalore
Post by: Qyasogk on July 26, 2013, 05:15:08 AM
Just an update for the topic headline: Astrum has reclaimed Zereth from Niselur.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur army defeated, Phantaria takes Saffalore
Post by: Perth on July 26, 2013, 06:25:10 AM
It revolted, because 1) we didn't care for it

Well... you don't care for it NOW (at least publicly). Some of you D'Harans were pretty interested in it not very long ago.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur army defeated, Phantaria takes Saffalore
Post by: Chenier on July 26, 2013, 12:41:45 PM
Well... you don't care for it NOW (at least publicly). Some of you D'Harans were pretty interested in it not very long ago.

Some people thought it'd make a neat addition to a colony, but nobody ever wanted it to remain in D'Hara afaik.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur army defeated, Phantaria takes Saffalore
Post by: Stabbity on July 26, 2013, 03:56:49 PM
Some people thought it'd make a neat addition to a colony, but nobody ever wanted it to remain in D'Hara afaik.

Some people = you Pierre and Gornak.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum takes Zerth
Post by: Sarwell on July 26, 2013, 04:10:27 PM
Agh, Saffalorian peasants are like rabid dogs. I try to hold court and one runs in and stabs me.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur army defeated, Phantaria takes Saffalore
Post by: Chenier on July 26, 2013, 06:28:52 PM
Some people = you Pierre and Gornak.

Gornak? Hmm, maybe.

Don't assume that just because you have spies in D'Hara, you know what Machiavel wants or how he wants it. Machiavel values good relations with Phantaria above adding a region or two to a colony.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Niselur army defeated, Phantaria takes Saffalore
Post by: egamma on July 27, 2013, 06:48:40 AM
Some people = you Pierre and Gornak.

What? I play Gornak, and the first I heard of a colony was when Pierre sent his letter to the realm about it, the letter that led to me, and others, protesting him out of office (well, protesting until he resigned). Gornak's just made a circuit of Dwilight as a trader, looking for food; he's not been involve in politics since his term as Prime Minister.

Your spy can confirm that I protested Pierre.

As for the rest, are you sure that's not Jonsu's hatred of Gornak talking?  Gornak still has her set to ignore. ;D

Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum takes Zerth
Post by: Zakilevo on July 27, 2013, 06:32:05 PM
Adrian just killed Zach. Wow.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Astrum takes Zerth
Post by: T Strike on July 27, 2013, 06:47:06 PM
Niselur is actually losing nobles. 16 nobles within 19 regions.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Lord Zach Kenwood killed by Astrum forces.
Post by: Frostwood on July 27, 2013, 10:25:48 PM
There goes the slowly developing romance subplot.... IC its really going to affect my character.  It is probably going to affect a lot of Niselur characters as, Lord Kenwood was fairly popular.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Lord Zach Kenwood killed by Astrum forces.
Post by: Velax on July 28, 2013, 04:05:50 AM
The region repair posts have been split off and moved to the General Board.

http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,4936.0.html
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Zach Kenwood killed by Astrum. Astrum attacks funeral.
Post by: pcw27 on July 28, 2013, 10:43:52 PM
What's this about Astrum attacking the funeral?
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Zach Kenwood killed by Astrum. Astrum attacks funeral.
Post by: Wolfang on July 28, 2013, 10:57:47 PM
HATE EACH OTHER, HATE EACH OTHER MORE!
THE WAR WILL NEVER END UNLESS THE LAST ENEMY IS DEAD AND BURIED!
LEAVE NONE ALIVE! KILL THEM ALLLLLL!!!!

Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Zach Kenwood killed by Astrum. Astrum attacks funeral.
Post by: Indirik on July 28, 2013, 11:03:41 PM
Apparently Niselur was RPing some kind of ceremony? If they didn't want anyone to intrude, then they probably should have told us it was happening...
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Zach Kenwood killed by Astrum. Astrum attacks funeral.
Post by: Daycryn on July 28, 2013, 11:04:02 PM
I know nothing of it, but on a first guess I'd say it's not a wise maneuver to hold a lengthy funeral service at a potential battleground. It's sort of like building a children's hospital at a missile bunker. Sure, when attacked you get to denounce the enemy as funeral-smashing, children-bombing scoundrels, but most people can see it was your decision to put certain events in certain situations where it was likely to happen.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Zach Kenwood killed by Astrum. Astrum attacks funeral.
Post by: Wolfang on July 28, 2013, 11:17:58 PM
They knew all about it and decided to kill you all during the ceremony.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Zach Kenwood killed by Astrum. Astrum attacks funeral.
Post by: Sacha on July 29, 2013, 12:05:46 AM
Well, you claim Astrum's just a bunch of fanatical zealots, corrupt to the very core, so what did you expect would happen? You just reap what you sow, eh 8)
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Zach Kenwood killed by Astrum. Astrum attacks funeral.
Post by: Qyasogk on July 29, 2013, 12:31:18 AM
This whole notion that Astrum attacked a funeral is bogus. If you wanted some sort of truce or cease fire, all Niselur had to do was make the official request. You are the apostate warmongers, we are defending ourselves from your invasion.

Hold your funeral in your capital next time and not on a battlefield. Or better yet, don't start a war with the Bloodstars in the first place and your dead hero would still be alive.
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Zach Kenwood killed by Astrum.
Post by: Frostwood on July 29, 2013, 01:03:12 AM
This whole notion that Astrum attacked a funeral is bogus. If you wanted some sort of truce or cease fire, all Niselur had to do was make the official request. You are the apostate warmongers, we are defending ourselves from your invasion.

Hold your funeral in your capital next time and not on a battlefield. Or better yet, don't start a war with the Bloodstars in the first place and your dead hero would still be alive.
That's the way it seemed, most of us were doing grief letters and RPs.  Its great through, it fuels some good IC hatred and RPs.  We are going to express it in action, not words.

Something went horribly wrong with Astrum attack for some reason.

In other news, I have been made Vice-Marshal, and Lord Kenwood was the vice-marshal.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Zach Kenwood killed by Astrum. Astrum attacks grieving nobles
Post by: Daimall on July 29, 2013, 01:30:28 AM
At least Jorradith thanks us for the defeating the evil plaguing the region.  :P
Title: Re: The Great Dwilight War:Zach Kenwood killed by Astrum. Astrum attacks funeral.
Post by: Stabbity on July 29, 2013, 04:29:59 AM
This whole notion that Astrum attacked a funeral is bogus. If you wanted some sort of truce or cease fire, all Niselur had to do was make the official request. You are the apostate warmongers, we are defending ourselves from your invasion.

Hold your funeral in your capital next time and not on a battlefield. Or better yet, don't start a war with the Bloodstars in the first place and your dead hero would still be alive.

Your corruption knows no bounds! The reform shall never bow to your apostasy!
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Zach Kenwood killed by Astrum. Astrum attacks grieving nobles
Post by: cenrae on July 29, 2013, 09:11:45 PM
Instead of the Red Wedding, its a Red Funeral!
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Zach Kenwood killed by Astrum. Astrum attacks grieving nobles
Post by: Frostwood on July 29, 2013, 09:38:58 PM
Instead of the Red Wedding, its a Red Funeral!
Well actually we defeated the Astrum 'army', since they decided to attack our army gathered for the 'funeral', two or three nobles at a time.  To be honest on that day, I didn't even pay attention to the scout reports.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Niselur strikes back. Morek Empire takes Mt.Black
Post by: Wolfang on July 29, 2013, 10:02:27 PM
Such was your grief OOC as well as IC.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Niselur strikes back. Morek Empire takes Mt.Black
Post by: Frostwood on July 29, 2013, 11:34:06 PM
Such was your grief OOC as well as IC.
I try to keep the IC and OOC seperate, but I was focusing on the RP, as next to Exum, he was one of first characters I did RP's with.  For those interested in the battle report:

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Battle in Jorradith
No.   Role   Army   Unit   Commander   Realm   Unit   Formation   CS
1   A      Dead Eyes   Rannekk   Niselur   61 Arch   line     684
2   A      Frost Blades   Lain   Niselur   63 MI   box     736
3   A      Hell's Fury   Zach   Niselur   65 SF   box     1462
4   A      Spear Guard   Shikon   Niselur   63 Inf   line     629
5   A      Wanderers   Brackon   Niselur   41 Inf   box     438
6   D      Jysandr   Adrian   Astrum   60 SF   line     1190
7   D      Wrath   Rowan II   Astrum   58 Inf   line     624
8   N      Monsters   (Monsters)   (rogue)   0 other   line     0

Total:
5 attackers (104 Inf, 63 MI, 61 Arch, 65 SF)
2 defenders (58 Inf, 60 SF)
Total combat strengths: 3949 vs. 1814
1 neutral observers (0 combat strength).
Monsters have no combat-ready men and thus stay out of the battle.
The troops from Astrum set up defenses because they control the battlefield.
The Niselur troops attack because they are at war with Astrum.

A calm wind blows, to the joy of the archers.

Shikon Kaze, Count of Bberentaur is spotted wielding the Doomed Arrow of Doom.
 Zach Kenwood, Margrave of Under Darfix takes command of his army. They deploy in Infantry Charge formation.

(legend: I=Infantry, M=Mixed Inf, A=Archers, C=Cavalry, S=Special Forces, U=Undead, M=Monsters)
Turn No. 1

             1 (61-A)
 2 (63-M)
 3 (65-S)
 4 (63-I)
 5 (41-I)
     7 (58-I)
     6 (60-S)
    
 Frost Blades (2) fire on Wrath (7), scoring 362 hits.
 Jysandr (6) fire on Hell's Fury (3), scoring 651 hits.
 Dead Eyes (1) fire on Wrath (7), scoring 280 hits.
Total ranged hits suffered: Attackers: 651, Defenders: 642
Wanderers (5), Spear Guard (4) and Hell's Fury (3) advance towards the enemy.
 Wrath (7) advance towards the enemy.


Close Combat (Center Line):
2 Astrum banners are visible in the melee.
1 Niselur banners are visible in the melee.
 Wrath (7) score 169 hits on Hell's Fury (3).
 Wrath (7) score 180 hits on Spear Guard (4).
 Wrath (7) score 123 hits on Wanderers (5).
 Wanderers (5) score 187 hits on Wrath (7).
 Spear Guard (4) score 285 hits on Wrath (7).
 Hell's Fury (3) score 929 hits on Wrath (7).
Total close combat hits suffered: Attackers: 472, Defenders: 1401

 Wrath (7) take 2043 hits (1401 in close combat, 642 from archer fire), which cause 45 casualties, making the unit retreat from the battlefield.
 Wanderers (5) take 123 hits in close combat, which cause 3 casualties.
 Spear Guard (4) take 180 hits in close combat, which cause 4 casualties.
 Hell's Fury (3) take 820 hits (169 in close combat, 651 from archer fire), which cause 15 casualties.
Zach Kenwood, Margrave of Under Darfix has been wounded by Jysandr (6).
Total hits suffered: Attackers: 1123 (472 from close combat and 651 from ranged), Defenders: 2043 (1401 from close combat and 642 from ranged)
Total casualties: 22 attackers, 45 defenders

Turn No. 2

             1 (61-A)
 2 (63-M)
 3 (50-S)
 4 (59-I)
 5 (38-I)
         6 (60-S)
    
 Jysandr (6) fire on Hell's Fury (3), scoring 348 hits.
 Frost Blades (2) move closer to get better shots.
 Frost Blades (2) fire on Jysandr (6), scoring 169 hits.
 Dead Eyes (1) move closer to get better shots.
 Dead Eyes (1) fire on Jysandr (6), scoring 237 hits.
Total ranged hits suffered: Attackers: 348, Defenders: 406
Hell's Fury (3), Spear Guard (4) and Wanderers (5) advance towards the enemy.


 Hell's Fury (3) take 348 hits from archer fire, which cause 6 casualties.
 Jysandr (6) take 406 hits from archer fire, which cause 9 casualties.
Total hits suffered: Attackers: 348 (0 from close combat and 348 from ranged), Defenders: 406 (0 from close combat and 406 from ranged)
Total casualties: 6 attackers, 9 defenders

Turn No. 3

                 1 (61-A)
 2 (63-M)
 3 (44-S)
 4 (59-I)
 5 (38-I)
     6 (51-S)
    
 Frost Blades (2) fire on Jysandr (6), scoring 214 hits.
 Dead Eyes (1) move closer to get better shots.
 Dead Eyes (1) fire on Jysandr (6), scoring 284 hits.
 Jysandr (6) fire on Hell's Fury (3), scoring 1214 hits.
Total ranged hits suffered: Attackers: 1214, Defenders: 498
Spear Guard (4), Wanderers (5) and Hell's Fury (3) advance towards the enemy.


 Hell's Fury (3) take 1214 hits from archer fire, which cause 22 casualties.
 Jysandr (6) take 498 hits from archer fire, which cause 11 casualties.
Total hits suffered: Attackers: 1214 (0 from close combat and 1214 from ranged), Defenders: 498 (0 from close combat and 498 from ranged)
Total casualties: 22 attackers, 11 defenders

Turn No. 4

                     1 (61-A)
 2 (63-M)
     3 (22-S)
 4 (59-I)
 5 (38-I)
 6 (40-S)
    
 Frost Blades (2) fire on Jysandr (6), scoring 270 hits.
 Dead Eyes (1) fire on Jysandr (6), scoring 439 hits.
 Jysandr (6) fire on Hell's Fury (3), scoring 603 hits.
Total ranged hits suffered: Attackers: 603, Defenders: 709
Hell's Fury (3), Spear Guard (4) and Wanderers (5) advance towards the enemy.

Close Combat (Defender Line 3):
1 Niselur banners are visible in the melee.
 Hell's Fury (3) score 568 hits on Jysandr (6).
 Jysandr (6) score 44 hits on Hell's Fury (3).
 Jysandr (6) score 103 hits on Spear Guard (4).
 Jysandr (6) score 60 hits on Wanderers (5).
 Spear Guard (4) score 323 hits on Jysandr (6).
 Wanderers (5) score 304 hits on Jysandr (6).
Total close combat hits suffered: Attackers: 207, Defenders: 1195

 Hell's Fury (3) take 647 hits (44 in close combat, 603 from archer fire), which cause 12 casualties, making the unit retreat from the battlefield.
Zach Kenwood, Margrave of Under Darfix has been killed by Jysandr (6).
 Jysandr (6) take 1904 hits (1195 in close combat, 709 from archer fire), which cause 40 casualties, wiping the unit out.
Adrian Solostus, Margrave of Aquitain has been wounded by Hell's Fury (3).
 Spear Guard (4) take 103 hits in close combat, which cause 2 casualties.
 Wanderers (5) take 60 hits in close combat, which cause 1 casualties.
Total hits suffered: Attackers: 810 (207 from close combat and 603 from ranged), Defenders: 1904 (1195 from close combat and 709 from ranged)
Total casualties: 15 attackers, 40 defenders

Attacker Victory!

The locals are grateful for defeating the evil forces plaguing their region.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Niselur strikes back. Morek Empire takes Mt.Black
Post by: Perth on July 30, 2013, 12:40:51 AM
Saffalore and Gretchew both revolt in the same turn *sigh*
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Niselur strikes back. Morek Empire takes Mt.Black
Post by: Sacha on July 30, 2013, 03:03:52 AM
That was the battle in which Zach was killed. I doubt he was attending his own funeral whilst still alive :P
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Niselur strikes back. Morek Empire takes Mt.Black
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on July 30, 2013, 06:09:33 AM
That was the battle in which Zach was killed. I doubt he was attending his own funeral whilst still alive :P

ZING!
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Niselur strikes back. Morek Empire takes Mt.Black
Post by: Stabbity on July 30, 2013, 07:54:42 AM
*slow clap*
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Niselur strikes back. Morek Empire takes Mt.Black
Post by: Frostwood on July 30, 2013, 12:41:19 PM
Well now we know the truth, thanks to Frostwood not being able to read his own turn report:
The Niselur troops attack because they are at war with Astrum.
So you admit it was propaganda that we attacked your funeral, when the truth is you attacked Astrum forces.
....
...
...
*Zach Kenwood, Margrave of Under Darfix has been killed by Jysandr (6).
Saffalore and Gretchew both revolt in the same turn *sigh*
Phantaria has got a long road ahead it seems.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Niselur strikes back. Morek Empire takes Mt.Black
Post by: Wolfang on July 30, 2013, 02:13:42 PM
Stop that Astroist scum right there!
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Niselur strikes back. Morek Empire takes Mt.Black
Post by: Sarwell on July 30, 2013, 02:55:03 PM
Phantaria has got a long road ahead it seems.
We bit off more than we could chew. We should have pacified Gretchew first; at first that was the plan, but the "divide and conquer" strategy just sort of materialized and everyone thought it sounded like a good idea.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Niselur strikes back. Morek Empire takes Mt.Black
Post by: Feylonis on July 31, 2013, 03:44:27 AM
You're misinterpreting 'divide and conquer' :p It means, 'divide (your enemies) and conquer (your enemies)', rather than 'divide (yourself) and conquer 'your enemies'. Common mistake.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Niselur strikes back. Morek Empire takes Mt.Black
Post by: Jaden on July 31, 2013, 01:41:23 PM
Aw man, FR noticed that the peace treaty with Corsanctum was preventing them from joining in the battle.
It would have been so much funnier if that had happen during the coming battle  8)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Niselur strikes back. Morek Empire takes Mt.Black
Post by: cenrae on July 31, 2013, 04:57:13 PM
Yeah that was my oversight. Thankfully a few FR patriots pointed it out to me.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Niselur strikes back. Morek Empire takes Mt.Black
Post by: Zakilevo on July 31, 2013, 08:37:16 PM
Asylon and FR crushed in Duil ;)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Frostwood on July 31, 2013, 08:56:30 PM
From communication reports from our general it seems a foregone conclusion, if the alliance met your forces head on.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Wolfang on July 31, 2013, 11:18:36 PM
Plot twist.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 31, 2013, 11:20:26 PM
Its because I wasnt there with my 9 troops and 6 wounded... I could have turned the tide of battle in Duil... ;)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Indirik on July 31, 2013, 11:48:54 PM
We had several Astrum peopl arrive a turn early due to a mixup in orders, at least one got caught trying to turn around and delay, and I will get there a turn late. In all, it wasn't the best showing from Astrum, but it a was good enough. :)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on August 01, 2013, 12:19:03 AM
Fighting Astrum is always really difficult on so many levels but thats what makes it fun.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Niselur strikes back. Morek Empire takes Mt.Black
Post by: Vellos on August 01, 2013, 02:04:46 AM
Yeah that was my oversight. Thankfully a few FR patriots pointed it out to me.

Was really, really hoping you weren't going to notice. :P
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Niselur strikes back. Morek Empire takes Mt.Black
Post by: pcw27 on August 01, 2013, 03:29:08 AM
Aw man, FR noticed that the peace treaty with Corsanctum was preventing them from joining in the battle.
It would have been so much funnier if that had happen during the coming battle  8)

Funny thing about that, If we'd just kept half the army moving we would have won anyway due to the Farronites not fighting Corsanctum, then we would have won by even more when the second wave showed up.

In other news Turin is seriously wounded again. You can slice him, you can dice him, but you just can't seem to kill him.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Jaden on August 01, 2013, 03:50:44 AM
Damn it, why didnt I take command of my army, the General of Corsanctum was rambo again
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Niselur strikes back. Morek Empire takes Mt.Black
Post by: Lefanis on August 01, 2013, 04:07:49 AM
Was really, really hoping you weren't going to notice. :P
Who cares, Astrum got to slaughter more heretics this way  :P
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on August 01, 2013, 06:25:52 AM
I fraking hate being wounded!  >:(

Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Marlboro on August 01, 2013, 07:18:46 AM
Fighting Astrum is always really difficult on so many levels but thats what makes it fun.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: T Strike on August 01, 2013, 02:09:27 PM
We are just too cool!  :)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Feylonis on August 01, 2013, 02:30:39 PM
Why is it difficult to fight Astrum/Corsanctum? Astrum has 39 nobles, Corsanctum has 13 (total of 52). FR has 14, Asylon has 35, Niselur has 17 (total of 66). Granted, Asylon has a pretty lengthly refit line, but so does Corsanctum...
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on August 01, 2013, 03:07:50 PM
Astrum has better recruitment centers. Better economy, lots of nobles and their kingdom has both island and mainland region. The recruitment centers make the biggest difference though and thats one of the bonuses of having a strong economy for such a long time.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Indirik on August 01, 2013, 06:14:19 PM
Why is it difficult to fight Astrum/Corsanctum?
The Stars are on our side. ;D
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on August 01, 2013, 06:26:46 PM
Our Marshals needs to learn to avoid stupid battles and adopt the "hit and run" strategy... or gather Niselur/Asylon/FR with coordinated attacks.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Zakilevo on August 01, 2013, 06:27:43 PM
Yet again, Astrum and Corsanctum prevail!

Also, why don't you lead Asylon, Eduardo?  8)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: mikm on August 01, 2013, 08:39:29 PM
Actually mostly Astum. Corsanctum did not do much. Good to see some reaction after being ignored for so long.
So many wounded and captured at Duil and then again at Walefishire. This is harasment.
Good thing I learned to run.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Bjarnson on August 01, 2013, 09:13:28 PM
Yet again, Astrum and Corsanctum prevail!

Also, why don't you lead Asylon, Eduardo?  8)

Because King Grimrog is still loved by the majority of his realm, Eduardo is doing a fine job as High Magistrate though.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Frostwood on August 01, 2013, 09:59:02 PM
Why is it difficult to fight Astrum/Corsanctum? Astrum has 39 nobles, Corsanctum has 13 (total of 52). FR has 14, Asylon has 35, Niselur has 17 (total of 66). Granted, Asylon has a pretty lengthly refit line, but so does Corsanctum...
The same geographic features that make Niselur easier to defend, also make it harder to link up armies with.  You are looking at a 48 hour trip to get through the mountains, and you have to have the food with your army as well.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on August 01, 2013, 10:05:05 PM
Quote
Also, why don't you lead Asylon, Eduardo?  8)

Nah... just doing my part. I's a way to lead when you're Duke, Judge and have access to the Military Channel.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Vellos on August 02, 2013, 12:51:41 AM
Well this war is turning out better than I expected. With LN attacking D'Hara Morek is freed up to hammer LE. Once they do that they can go west... maybe can't make it to Darfix, but certainly they can make it to Eidulb and some of the other frontiers. This war might change from being a loss for the theocracies to a really nasty stalemate.

And who knows, maybe with some clever strategy they can even win?

Now back to my usual business of corrupting the minds of FR's nobility...
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Qyasogk on August 02, 2013, 01:05:29 AM
So many wounded and captured at Duil and then again at Walefishire. This is harasment.
Good thing I learned to run.

It's not harassment when you're in OUR lands. You better learn to run a little faster.  ;)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Jaden on August 02, 2013, 02:53:23 AM
Actually mostly Astum. Corsanctum did not do much.

That's mean, but sadly true.. We got 4 new nobles that will join in the next campaign, and if I dont go suiciding people again, Corsanctum will offer more than 2k cs   ;)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on August 02, 2013, 03:19:43 AM
Doesn't help our side that I just didn't have the time nor the will to continue governing Golden Farrow... god that is the most stressful position I've ever occupied, the food demands are insane.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Jaden on August 02, 2013, 09:05:25 AM
I know that Perdan city takes up around 1k bushels per week.. I cant imagine feeding a city of a similar size in Dwilight, that's why townslands are the ebst  :D
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Arundel on August 02, 2013, 12:58:32 PM
Giask eats up over 1k a week.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on August 02, 2013, 03:15:35 PM
The Stars are on our side. ;D

Catch-22 , you win the war but kill Dwilight with boredom.  ;)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Sarwell on August 02, 2013, 03:32:01 PM
Chateau Saffalore is apparently rogue now. Congratulations, Terran. You destroyed yourselves without us ever attacking the city.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Feylonis on August 02, 2013, 03:32:15 PM
If the SA side wins, they definitely won't be bored. Niselur will have to be whipped back into line, FR will need to be consolidated, and Asylon will need to be further isolated. Plus, I'm pretty sure SA will meddle in some way or another with the Luria - D'Hara war.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Wolfang on August 02, 2013, 03:36:43 PM
It's pretty much anyone's game now, it seems the alliance is suffering from organisational issues, whereas Astrum seems to be getting into it and rallying.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: mikm on August 02, 2013, 04:42:36 PM
Anyway, Astrum has lost lands and Asylon has lost none so far.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Indirik on August 02, 2013, 06:19:00 PM
Catch-22 , you win the war but kill Dwilight with boredom.  ;)
Anyone who is bored in this game is bored by their own choice. If you're bored where you are, either do something to make it less boring, or go somewhere else where you think it's less boring. This is especially true for realms around Astrum. No one had the balls, or the skills, to do it until Leopold showed up.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Qyasogk on August 02, 2013, 07:51:53 PM
Anyway, Astrum has lost lands and Asylon has lost none so far.

Well you did lose one thing... Your army!
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Vellos on August 02, 2013, 11:03:41 PM
Doesn't help our side that I just didn't have the time nor the will to continue governing Golden Farrow... god that is the most stressful position I've ever occupied, the food demands are insane.

I was OOC sad to see Gustav go... but Hireshmont just about wet himself with glee.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: cenrae on August 02, 2013, 11:39:29 PM
Yeah Gustav was like my pitbull I loved to see him bite! Hope he comes back I was looking to possibly hand over the Farronites to him.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Marlboro on August 03, 2013, 01:44:18 AM
Well you did lose one thing... Your army!

What good are soldiers if they are not bleeding out in the field? Buy some more!
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on August 03, 2013, 02:01:40 AM
Well my last exam is on the 7th, so the earliest I can come back is then. Otherwise I'd just burn myself out trying to do too much.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on August 03, 2013, 04:37:14 PM
Anyone who is bored in this game is bored by their own choice. If you're bored where you are, either do something to make it less boring, or go somewhere else where you think it's less boring. This is especially true for realms around Astrum. No one had the balls, or the skills, to do it until Leopold showed up.

No no, you get me wrong. I'm never bored. And Asylon has been trying to make fun for quite sometime.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Geronus on August 03, 2013, 04:56:03 PM
No no, you get me wrong. I'm never bored.

Really? You complain an awful lot about how boring we make things for a guy who's never bored.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on August 03, 2013, 07:27:57 PM
Im never bored but you make the rest of Dwilight boring. Its been my lifes work on Dwilight to see what is finally happening now happen. I have never once complained about boredom. Oh and Geronus ypu are one to talk , you quit Dwilight out of sheer boredom.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Vellos on August 03, 2013, 09:14:47 PM
Yeah Gustav was like my pitbull I loved to see him bite! Hope he comes back I was looking to possibly hand over the Farronites to him.

lol, I think we'd get him out of office pretty fast.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Marlboro on August 04, 2013, 02:34:29 AM
lol, I think we'd get him out of office pretty fast.

What, you and Hollaback Feylonius? You guys seriously overestimate your influence; er'body loves Gustav.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Indirik on August 04, 2013, 02:58:22 AM
You guys seriously overestimate your influence;
In my experience, the vast majority of the players overestimate the amount of influence they have on any given situation.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Galvez on October 01, 2013, 09:17:33 AM
Aurvandil is defeated. You might see us as neutrals in your great war, but it is certainly worth noticing.  ;D
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Jaden on October 01, 2013, 10:07:34 AM
Are there still plans for a colony in former Aurvandil land?
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Wolfsong on October 01, 2013, 10:42:31 AM
It was suggested, but ultimately shot down. It could still happen, but not for awhile.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Galvez on October 01, 2013, 12:54:42 PM
Are there still plans for a colony in former Aurvandil land?
A gold-farm realm was not desirable.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Wolfang on October 01, 2013, 04:51:22 PM
So I'm interested about the Northern war, or the LN-DHara war, what's the news? Who seems to be winning?
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Zakilevo on October 01, 2013, 05:19:16 PM
So I'm interested about the Northern war, or the LN-DHara war, what's the news? Who seems to be winning?

Northern War: Astrum is winning.

LN-D'Hara: Looks like LN is winning but not by much.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Lanyon on October 01, 2013, 06:32:36 PM
Astrum recovered in the Northern war? hmmm that is truely something.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Jaden on October 01, 2013, 06:42:59 PM
Astrum was never actually losing in the War though, they just didnt defend their outer regions.
On other related news, Libero Empire is left with one region.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Wolfang on October 01, 2013, 07:04:38 PM
Astrum did get quite a boost in the noble count thanks to the war.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: cenrae on October 01, 2013, 07:14:27 PM
I suspect that's because Terran was destroyed and a few others moved from one realm to another.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Zakilevo on October 01, 2013, 09:03:27 PM
I suspect that's because Terran was destroyed and a few others moved from one realm to another.

We got 4 or so from Terran 1 ~ 2 from FR but many older players actually joined us out of nowhere. We only got 1 ~ 2 new players unfortunately.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on October 01, 2013, 09:08:39 PM
Newsflash! The war is still going on... How many months now? The Farronites have wobbled around torn between their attachments to the theocracies and the side of freedom. Niselur has basically gone silent, their king turned invalid in some battle. The only kingdom really still involved is Asylon and we are just being Asylon fighting the war for the sake of fighting instead of sitting around. We are still all very active and enjoying ourselves and basically fighting our own little war in our own little corner of the map. Astrum is putting up a good fight I hope they continue to do so until some sort of peace is forged or total victory for either side is declared. Either way the war is still on and its still fun.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: cenrae on October 01, 2013, 09:27:58 PM
I could make it real interesting and put 95% of the Farronite Republic into Asylon...pull a Kabrinski.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Galvez on October 02, 2013, 12:04:43 AM
...total victory for either side is declared.
Give us a spectacle. Give us total war to the end!

People called this the great war, lets make sure this war will be remembered.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Zakilevo on October 02, 2013, 12:48:00 AM
It seems like this war will last for awhile. Everyone has so much gold driving regions to rogue seems to do little.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Galvez on October 02, 2013, 09:23:06 AM
They might have enough gold, but do they have enough food? That's the question. Famine will bring down the greatest empires.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Indirik on October 02, 2013, 01:04:05 PM
The entire north-west is horribly short on food. Astrum may be doing a bit better than the others. Both Niselur and the Farronites donated food to us.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on October 02, 2013, 04:33:44 PM
Give us a spectacle. Give us total war to the end!

People called this the great war, lets make sure this war will be remembered.

Asylon is the only kingdom really capable of fighting. The king of Niselur pulled a pretty lame move in starting a war and then going Awol in the middle of it. And then the Farronites keep changing leaders every week that shift from extreme to extreme, one week they are pro-Asylon and then pro-Astrum. republics are useless when it comes to consistant policy in a war. Over all its enjoyable seeing the dynamics and fighting against Astrum is a good challenge and it is giving good experience to Asylon to wage constant war. I personally hope the war goes on for a lot longer. We will see how things work out.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Lanyon on October 02, 2013, 05:16:24 PM
What's up with D'este? is he active? he's the king of Niselur currently and i sent him a message two turns ago. no response as of yet.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Indirik on October 02, 2013, 06:27:08 PM
He hasn't answered you in two turns? HE MUST BE DEAD!

Seriously, though, give the guy a chance to respond. Maybe he got drunk and skipped the turn with a bad hangover, or something.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on October 02, 2013, 07:41:12 PM
No, I meant King Leopold.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Anaris on October 02, 2013, 07:43:40 PM
No, I meant King Leopold.

But Indirik was replying to Lanyon, not you ;)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on October 02, 2013, 09:30:02 PM
Oh!  :o

Indirk probably has me on ignore anyways  :'(
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Perth on October 02, 2013, 10:06:00 PM
Yeah, Leopold, man. Not cool.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Galvez on October 02, 2013, 10:47:27 PM
What's up with D'este? is he active? he's the king of Niselur currently and i sent him a message two turns ago. no response as of yet.
Love this post. Haha  ;D

Yeah, Leopold, man. Not cool.
What happened to him?
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Anaris on October 02, 2013, 11:00:30 PM
What happened to him?

He left the game. Again.

This is about the sixth time he's left, and usually it's right in the middle of something really important that he's a central figure in. And usually without any real warning, too.

He's addicted, and a good player, but then he apparently decides he's just spending too much time on BM and more or less quits in a panic, as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Galvez on October 02, 2013, 11:03:41 PM
He started this war and now he's gone. I can't understand how you can stop at such point.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: D`Este on October 02, 2013, 11:04:46 PM
He hasn't answered you in two turns? HE MUST BE DEAD!

Seriously, though, give the guy a chance to respond. Maybe he got drunk and skipped the turn with a bad hangover, or something.

+1
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Indirik on October 03, 2013, 12:28:23 AM
Oh!  :o

Indirk probably has me on ignore anyways  :'(
Yeah, he probably does.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on October 03, 2013, 03:03:05 AM
When he left as Boreal he gave a full roleplay to explain his leaving. If he didn't provide a roleplay to the players in Niselur then he probably had a real emergency or wanted to play it like he was sneaking away due to an impending defeat.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Vellos on October 03, 2013, 03:08:55 AM
Speaking of rulers who don't respond: Sergio. Seriously. The guy really just doesn't send messages.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Jaden on October 03, 2013, 03:39:09 AM
Please dont turn this into a complain about rulers thread. 
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: BarticaBoat on October 03, 2013, 04:18:01 AM
Speaking of rulers who don't respond: Sergio. Seriously. The guy really just doesn't send messages.
Send something worth replying to  8)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Zakilevo on October 03, 2013, 04:23:28 AM
Sergio does respond to his realm mates though.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Kwanstein on October 03, 2013, 04:30:31 AM
Sergio responded to me, and I'm just a punk knight from an foreign realm.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Vellos on October 03, 2013, 06:06:47 AM
Send something worth replying to  8)

Bah!

Astrumites; such uncivilized barbarians.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Wolfang on October 03, 2013, 01:37:14 PM
Didn't you model your last realm to Astrum's image?  :P

Edit: A total of 25 regions have gone rogue due to all the wars. Three over 1000 gold, and 7 ranging from 300 to 800+ gold.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Perth on October 03, 2013, 03:14:39 PM
Please dont turn this into a complain about rulers thread.

I hate rulers! Those guys suck!
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on October 03, 2013, 03:23:32 PM
Rulers! Measuring stuff is lame!
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Galvez on October 03, 2013, 05:17:36 PM
That is the wrong kind of ruler.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Penchant on October 04, 2013, 05:22:19 AM
That is the wrong kind of ruler.
He was joking.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Jaden on October 04, 2013, 06:26:38 AM
That is the wrong kind of ruler.
I was here thinking what rulers measure against each other ;)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Galvez on October 04, 2013, 01:28:36 PM
He was joking.
I understand.  ;)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Geronus on October 04, 2013, 09:12:43 PM
Bah!

Astrumites; such uncivilized barbarians.

If you're that desperate for a response, try begging  ;)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: BarticaBoat on October 05, 2013, 05:50:56 AM
Bah!

Astrumites; such uncivilized barbarians.
Trust me, if Karibash had his way we'd be doing something BM has never seen and makes Vikings and Asylonians seem noble and refined.

Too many soft young nobles trying to emulate your cowardly southern ways!
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on October 05, 2013, 09:45:31 PM
Trust me, if Karibash had his way we'd be doing something BM has never seen and makes Vikings and Asylonians seem noble and refined.

Too many soft young nobles trying to emulate your cowardly southern ways!


Well the difference is that Asylon is actually doing them and you are still waiting for your way.  :P
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Zakilevo on October 09, 2013, 07:44:23 AM
Man. That Battle in Dunnbrook was pretty awesome. 16k CS vs 17k CS. 1380 men vs 1570 men. Was a close battle. Haven't had that in awhile.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Vita` on October 09, 2013, 07:55:07 AM
The number-fudging in the international report made it look a lot more awesome for Astrum than was reality. It appeared as 1,000 astrumese victorious against 1,800 farronites/asylonians.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Galvez on October 09, 2013, 08:49:47 AM
For those who didn't know yet, D'Hara and Luria Nova have signed a temporary cease fire to attend to the tournament in Fissoa! How noble of them.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Wolfsong on October 09, 2013, 10:01:38 AM
Everybody should attend the tournament, since I can't. D:

Edit: Is that worth reporting to facebook news? It is kinda cool, roleplay-wise, and definitely adds flavor to the game.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Jaden on October 09, 2013, 11:13:53 AM
Man. That Battle in Dunnbrook was pretty awesome. 16k CS vs 17k CS. 1380 men vs 1570 men. Was a close battle. Haven't had that in awhile.

 :'( The best battles always happen when I am not there
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Wolfang on October 09, 2013, 01:19:58 PM
Good to see the northern war is still alive and kicking.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on October 09, 2013, 03:10:54 PM
It was a good battle!
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Indirik on October 09, 2013, 06:08:14 PM
The outcome was a bit surprising. Based on the numbers and the CS, I figured that Asylon would win. They had more 200 soldiers and slightly higher CS. Some problems with Asylon line settings, though, as well as a poorly timed cavalry charge really made the difference. Astrum's better troops probably helped as well.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Vellos on October 10, 2013, 01:59:55 AM
The outcome was a bit surprising. Based on the numbers and the CS, I figured that Asylon would win. They had more 200 soldiers and slightly higher CS. Some problems with Asylon line settings, though, as well as a poorly timed cavalry charge really made the difference. Astrum's better troops probably helped as well.

If you all keep pulling out those narrow wins, you really may be able to hang in there until Morek arrives. I was skeptical when the war started, but LN's withdrawal and renewed military prowess by the theocracies has really made this war go a different way than I expected in the run-up to it.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Zakilevo on October 10, 2013, 02:08:05 AM
If you all keep pulling out those narrow wins, you really may be able to hang in there until Morek arrives. I was skeptical when the war started, but LN's withdrawal and renewed military prowess by the theocracies has really made this war go a different way than I expected in the run-up to it.

We couldn't bring our full force due to Niselur. We thought we did enough damage to them during winter to keep them off our backs but we clearly didn't. As for Dunnbrook, some of our stragglers couldn't preset because of a lone militia unit in Knyazes... We were supposed to attack with 20k CS but 4k didn't arrive in time.

Now I am seriously wounded due to infection and don't even know what is going on.

Before this campaign, we used to have Corsanctum covering our backs meaning we could just focus on one enemy at a time but due to some bugs Corsanctum lost a city and suffered a lot, forcing them to pull back.

I am skeptical we need Morek's help to win this war. It will take longer for sure but we don't desperately need their help. To be honest, I gave up on getting Morek's help the moment their ruler told me they could barely field a sizable army. After a month or two, they started to expand into LE. :p
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Vellos on October 10, 2013, 02:14:10 AM
I am skeptical we need Morek's help to win this war.

I think Astrum will need Morek. For all that you're pummeling Niselur and its allies, you're still at a hefty net deficit of territory, with no signs of re-expansion. Asylon's combat capacity remains increased relative to the start of the war. You could feasibly destroy FR with a concerted looting campaign, but only at the expense of giving Niselur free reign in the north.

IMHO, without outside help, it'll be an ugly stalemate where we turn the entire border zone into muddy, bloody mush. But with commitments from Morek and Corsanctum, I think you'll be able to push through that and really force Niselur and FR out of the war.

Of course, you could get FR out of the war and lock in territorial gains without Morek's help, if your leaders wanted to. ;)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: dustole on October 10, 2013, 02:30:49 AM


Of course, you could get FR out of the war and lock in territorial gains without Morek's help, if your leaders wanted to. ;)


Not many people like FR. They made a lot of poor choices.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Indirik on October 10, 2013, 02:40:24 AM
We could lock in even more gains by just wiping everyone else out. That's what quite  a few people want to do. Reset north west Dwilight.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: De-Legro on October 10, 2013, 02:44:50 AM
We could lock in even more gains by just wiping everyone else out. That's what quite  a few people want to do. Reset north west Dwilight.


I vote for this
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Indirik on October 10, 2013, 02:53:08 AM
Hmmm.  Morek an Astrum could split the north between them. :)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Vellos on October 10, 2013, 03:17:50 AM


Not many people like FR. They made a lot of poor choices.

Oh trust me, I'm well aware of that. Hireshmont is ruler to try and fix a few of those poor choices, despite the fact that his election is almost certainly on the list of poor choices, though they really didn't have any good choices.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: BarticaBoat on October 10, 2013, 05:08:01 AM
We could lock in even more gains by just wiping everyone else out. That's what quite  a few people want to do. Reset north west Dwilight.
Reset? More like turn it into bloody wastelands ruled by petty warlords who are sworn to the Vasilif  8)
And by that I mean leave a vast majority of the north as rogue lands
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Zakilevo on October 10, 2013, 05:11:09 AM
It is not that we cannot re-expand. It is more like I am not interested in doing that just yet. There are people in the council who are keep asking me why we are not retaking our territories.

To be honest, Niselur is pretty crippled at the moment. They can field what 4-5k these days? After we looted Darfix and Under Darfix, they haven't done much but loot Zereth. Also, they have just been taken care of today I think. Someone just shared a battle report of Zereth and it seems another one of their nobles lie dead. Kas Mayhem was it?
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Zakilevo on October 10, 2013, 05:11:56 AM
Reset? More like turn it into bloody wastelands ruled by petty warlords who are sworn to the Vasilif  8)
And by that I mean leave a vast majority of the north as rogue lands

Maybe we can bring back the days of massive rogues. ;)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Vellos on October 10, 2013, 05:26:54 AM
Kas Mayhem was it?

If true, this should be shared publicly in the church. His death would be a cause of celebration for many.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: BarticaBoat on October 10, 2013, 05:50:19 AM
Maybe we can bring back the days of massive rogues. ;)
Yes please.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: D`Este on October 10, 2013, 12:43:54 PM
We could lock in even more gains by just wiping everyone else out. That's what quite  a few people want to do. Reset north west Dwilight.

And people wonder why there are only so few wars
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Wolfang on October 10, 2013, 12:46:44 PM
And people wonder why there are only so few wars
Most realms are at war right now, the Maroccidens, are, ironically, at peace  :P

Man, Barca sure has grown since joining it  :o
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Bael on October 10, 2013, 02:35:24 PM

I vote for this

Caerwyn shall rise again!

Most realms are at war right now, the Maroccidens, are, ironically, at peace  :P

Man, Barca sure has grown since joining it  :o

That is for sure! There was ever one point where its existence was in serious doubt, and some people started jumping ship  ???  . It is possible that without Ulitsa, Barca would have starved into oblivion at the lowest point. We had...what? About 2 cities and one or two rurals I think.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on October 10, 2013, 09:34:55 PM
Astrum has won many battles but they will not win this war. We are far from done yet.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Indirik on October 10, 2013, 10:43:30 PM
That still definitely remains to be seen. With both Niselur and the Farronites practically begging for peace, Asylon will pretty much be on their own. Especially if Corsanctum and/or Morek ever finish with their wars. Corsanctum can make it to Asylon, and Morek can pacify the northern lands, even if Niselur doesn't roll over. An Astrum V. Asylon war would have an obvious, foregone conclusion. Astrum can easily retake their northern lands, and expand and boost their economy, while Asylon has nowhere to expand. The only thing they can do is lose land.

Asylon's only hope would be to find a powerful ally. There's only only player in the west that can muster that kind of power. Inviting them into the war, even if they would do it, and even if it didn't backfire, as they usually do, calling them into the war would bring a whole heapin' helpin' o' hurtin' onto Asylon. All in all, it would be kinda funny to see it.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Marlboro on October 10, 2013, 11:28:47 PM
All in all, it would be kinda funny to see it.

Definitely would bring a smile to my face.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Vellos on October 11, 2013, 12:28:34 AM
Asylon's only hope would be to find a powerful ally. There's only only player in the west that can muster that kind of power. Inviting them into the war, even if they would do it, and even if it didn't backfire, as they usually do, calling them into the war would bring a whole heapin' helpin' o' hurtin' onto Asylon. All in all, it would be kinda funny to see it.

*looks to the southwest, shivers as from a cold wind of death*

We do not speak of them.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on October 11, 2013, 04:03:39 AM
That still definitely remains to be seen. With both Niselur and the Farronites practically begging for peace, Asylon will pretty much be on their own. Especially if Corsanctum and/or Morek ever finish with their wars. Corsanctum can make it to Asylon, and Morek can pacify the northern lands, even if Niselur doesn't roll over. An Astrum V. Asylon war would have an obvious, foregone conclusion. Astrum can easily retake their northern lands, and expand and boost their economy, while Asylon has nowhere to expand. The only thing they can do is lose land.

Asylon's only hope would be to find a powerful ally. There's only only player in the west that can muster that kind of power. Inviting them into the war, even if they would do it, and even if it didn't backfire, as they usually do, calling them into the war would bring a whole heapin' helpin' o' hurtin' onto Asylon. All in all, it would be kinda funny to see it.

Things can change in the blink of an eye... One day cock of the wall... Next... Feather duster  ;D
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Zakilevo on October 11, 2013, 11:24:38 PM
Man... It seems people exchange more letters while I am wounded! I have over 100 letters now... waiting for me to read.

I really hope I will recover soon. I am so curious about what happened after the battle of Dunnbrook!
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Indirik on October 12, 2013, 01:43:33 AM
We chased Asylon home, then sacked Itaufield.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on October 12, 2013, 06:02:55 AM
Itaufield is perma sacked.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on October 13, 2013, 06:17:34 AM
That's a bit of an exaggeration. We only looted for a day.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Feylonis on October 13, 2013, 06:34:26 AM
Just as the Farronite army musters to repel Astrum's forces, Grazne and Knyazes revolt and declare independence. We definitely need more nobles to upkeep the regions while still maintaining a mobile army.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Qyasogk on October 13, 2013, 10:45:35 AM
Astrum has won many battles but they will not win this war. We are far from done yet.

You are far from done yet, this is true. Our victories against Niselur and the Farronite Republic have led to some cocky attitudes among our Astrum nobility. Asylon is still a major threat.

But while you are far from done, you are much farther from winning than you were a week ago. We look forward to you getting farther and farther as the campaign continues.
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Post by: Glaumring the Fox on October 13, 2013, 02:39:13 PM
That's a bit of an exaggeration. We only looted for a day.


No, I mean it's a !@#$hole to begin with. The only thing the sacking did was confirm what everyone in Asylon already knows about Itaufield. That one region alone has probably been sacked more than Mech Alb.
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Post by: Glaumring the Fox on October 13, 2013, 02:40:12 PM
You are far from done yet, this is true. Our victories against Niselur and the Farronite Republic have led to some cocky attitudes among our Astrum nobility. Asylon is still a major threat.

But while you are far from done, you are much farther from winning than you were a week ago. We look forward to you getting farther and farther as the campaign continues.

Astrum cocky? I thought Asylon had that... :(
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Post by: Bael on October 13, 2013, 03:21:09 PM
*looks to the southwest, shivers as from a cold wind of death*

We do not speak of them.

Just saying...the Zuma have started expanding. Be on the lookout for developments ingame!
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Post by: Vellos on October 14, 2013, 05:29:27 AM
WE DO NOT SPEAK OF THEM.
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Post by: Perth on October 15, 2013, 03:19:30 PM
As a member of the friendly Zuma Neighborhood Association, please leave them alone. Please.


They're like the Boo Radley's of the Occidens.... just ignore their house and everything about it.
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Post by: Glaumring the Fox on October 15, 2013, 03:52:01 PM
Ignore them until a way is found to use them.
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Post by: Bael on October 15, 2013, 06:01:28 PM
Ignore them until a way is found to use them.

I hear they make quite good trick or treat partners  ???
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Post by: Vita` on October 15, 2013, 06:03:54 PM
Someone should start a 'Friendly Zuma Neighborhood Association' guild...
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Post by: Perth on October 15, 2013, 06:54:21 PM
Someone should start a 'Friendly Zuma Neighborhood Association' guild...

We did. It's called the Veinsormoot.
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Post by: Vellos on October 17, 2013, 01:32:14 AM
We did. It's called the Veinsormoot.

This made me chuckle mightily.
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Post by: D`Este on October 20, 2013, 11:53:17 AM
Seems like Astrum is losing some regions...
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Post by: Feylonis on October 20, 2013, 12:10:15 PM
The Senate of the Farronite Republic has voted in majority to end the war against Astrum. A ceasefire has been called while the peace terms are hammered down.
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Post by: Indirik on October 20, 2013, 03:26:01 PM
Astrum expects to lose regions. But dont worry, we're on it!
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Post by: Feylonis on October 20, 2013, 04:01:10 PM
FR is selling friendship for food plz.
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Post by: Zakilevo on October 20, 2013, 06:42:08 PM
This war has been fun but I can no longer lead Astrum. Not enough time :(

Turin will lead Astrum from now on.
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Post by: Vellos on October 20, 2013, 07:53:23 PM
WIth FR out of the war, I'm very interested to see which way things go. We weren't contributing much to begin with given how small our army was there at the end, so the relative balance of power won't alter in a huge way but, still, I'm very interested to see how things go.
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Post by: Indirik on October 20, 2013, 11:28:11 PM
Me too.  :)
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Post by: De-Legro on October 20, 2013, 11:43:04 PM
Seems like Astrum is losing some regions...

Good war plans, unless the war is terribly one sided, are going to assume and account for region losses. GREAT war plans act to ensure that when region loss occurs they are the regions the realm can most afford to lose, or use the loss of regions to actually bolster their ability to continue the war.
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Post by: D`Este on October 20, 2013, 11:58:46 PM
Yea.. as long as morek keeps feeding astrum losing regions isn't a problem for them. It's more a morale victory for niselur!

And now we wait till Gaston gets smashed..
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Post by: Indirik on October 21, 2013, 01:30:59 AM
In order to *keep* feeding Astrum, Morek would have to *start* feeding Astrum.
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Post by: De-Legro on October 21, 2013, 01:52:54 AM
In order to *keep* feeding Astrum, Morek would have to *start* feeding Astrum.

Don't poke holes in people's assumptions :)
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Post by: pcw27 on October 21, 2013, 08:23:23 AM
In other news. Turin was just elected Strategos of Astrum.
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Post by: Glaumring the Fox on October 21, 2013, 04:13:12 PM
Vellos in Farron, Turin in Astrum.... One has his kingdom destroyed and the other loses his in a coup. You guys are desperate. Lol
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Post by: pcw27 on October 21, 2013, 04:31:21 PM
I wouldn't call it desperation. In terms of military might I think I'm now three times as powerful as I was as King of Iashalur.
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Post by: Indirik on October 21, 2013, 06:00:13 PM
Vellos in Farron, Turin in Astrum.... One has his kingdom destroyed and the other loses his in a coup. You guys are desperate. Lol
I wouldn't think that this is the kind of thing to which you would want to attract attention. *cough*Thulsoma*cough*
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Post by: Glaumring the Fox on October 22, 2013, 03:54:50 AM
I wasnt ruler of Thulsoma at the end though.  ;)
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Post by: Feylonis on October 22, 2013, 10:02:15 AM
Neither was Vellos. The credit goes to Kabrinski.
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Post by: Glaumring the Fox on October 22, 2013, 01:11:47 PM
We had myself as king and two others rule Thulsoma before we decided to join Summerdale and allowed Thulsoma to fall into anarchy. Which I admit was a mistake, our army and kingdom was the strongest in that area. The original plan was for Averoth, Summerdale and Thulsoma to join as one large kingdom. Upon finding out we couldnt just cede our capital we decided we would allow Thulsoma to go rogue and then reclaim the lands. Once joining Summerdale we realized how apathetic and paranoid they were we figured it wasnt even worth doing. We eventually got a call to move to Asylon when it was founded. The call went out by one of our contacts in that new realm. Eventually just before we moved Haruka took Thulsoma as it was falling into anarchy. And we left that region in chaos.

I like to think of Haruka as a parting gift.

The founding of Thulsoma was/is an awesome story that probably should have ended much differently. Asylon has made up for our failures there. I am glad we made the move and it has proven to be a vast success beyond what Thulsoma could have been.


Interestingly enough though is that Asylon tried for years to be good friends with Niselur/Iashular and were rebuffed until King Leopold took control, we eventually achieved that goal. Asylon also tried to be friends with Terran and were rebuffed and eventually they were destroyed.
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Post by: Telamon on October 22, 2013, 05:28:37 PM
Aww man, Glaumring! You're making me miss Thulsoma.

As the final ruler of the old place, i remember feeling it was a huge mistake to just leave toward the very end

*sigh*

Dang those Summerdalian wimps!
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Post by: Glaumring the Fox on October 22, 2013, 05:44:08 PM
Aye, after we beat back these theocrats we shall reform the kingdom of Thulsoma in Nifelheim and our empire shall live again!
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Post by: Telamon on October 23, 2013, 02:56:29 AM
Haha.

That sounds like fun to me! The North misses us.
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Post by: pcw27 on October 24, 2013, 04:02:01 AM

Interestingly enough though is that Asylon tried for years to be good friends with Niselur/Iashular and were rebuffed until King Leopold took control, we eventually achieved that goal. Asylon also tried to be friends with Terran and were rebuffed and eventually they were destroyed.

Actually I was a huge part of the peace accord between Astrum and Asylon during the Southern War.
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Post by: Vellos on October 24, 2013, 01:27:02 PM
Asylon also tried to be friends with Terran

From your perspective, I can see how that would seem like a reasonable thing to think.
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Post by: Glaumring the Fox on October 24, 2013, 04:53:27 PM
It doesnt really matter does it? Terran is dead and Asylon now writes the history.
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Post by: De-Legro on October 24, 2013, 10:36:33 PM
It doesnt really matter does it? Terran is dead and Asylon now writes the history.

In general, only members of Asylon will pay any attention to the History they write.
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Post by: Chenier on October 24, 2013, 11:41:20 PM
In general, only members of Asylon will pay any attention to the History they write.

And remaining 'moot realms will write the history for Terran with total disregard of whatever anyone else says.
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Post by: De-Legro on October 24, 2013, 11:47:07 PM
And remaining 'moot realms will write the history for Terran with total disregard of whatever anyone else says.

Tends to be the way of BM. While the "winners" write history in BM, so to do the losers, and neither pays much attention to the other.
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Post by: Glaumring the Fox on October 25, 2013, 12:39:13 AM
Both sides can write whatever they want. The fact is is that realms rise and fall. It is how it should be.
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Post by: Penchant on October 25, 2013, 02:08:40 AM
It doesnt really matter does it? Terran is dead and Asylon now writes the history.
It seems you don't understand the quote you are trying to localize to this particular situtation. "The victors write history" is a dumb thing to say IMO with relation to Battlemaster, because in real life the losers were dead or lacking power to write history. In BM, even if they are dead they can edit the wiki but considering death is only optional (deleting characters) except for hero's, they can still counter anything IG so long as they hear about it, which applied before the conflict as well thus being victor in BM has no effects on who writes history.
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Post by: Vellos on October 25, 2013, 02:31:07 PM
Trivia:

The peak of Dwilight's population before this war was 2.4 million.

Population has now declined to 2.3 or 2.35 million.

Thus, the minimum civilian death toll for this war is about 50,000 (I saw minimum because some regions have probably grown).

That's not including battle deaths, which are probably some thousands more.

Not sure how that compares to Medieval European wars in scale. Anybody know?
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Post by: Glaumring the Fox on October 25, 2013, 04:09:02 PM
Sounds about right. How long has this war gone on now barely 3 or 4 months perhaps? By the time a year rolls by then it is a war. Right now is the beginnings a few battles. The war is only just beginning.
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Post by: Glaumring the Fox on October 25, 2013, 04:11:03 PM
It seems you don't understand the quote you are trying to localize to this particular situtation. "The victors write history" is a dumb thing to say IMO with relation to Battlemaster, because in real life the losers were dead or lacking power to write history. In BM, even if they are dead they can edit the wiki but considering death is only optional (deleting characters) except for hero's, they can still counter anything IG so long as they hear about it, which applied before the conflict as well thus being victor in BM has no effects on who writes history.

Who cares? Our side won. Terran is dead. I care not where their nobility scattered, their lands are salted and now the Phantarians rule there and they have more honour than all of Terran.
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Post by: vonGenf on October 25, 2013, 04:13:01 PM
Sounds about right. How long has this war gone on now barely 3 or 4 months perhaps? By the time a year rolls by then it is a war. Right now is the beginnings a few battles. The war is only just beginning.

The first post on this thread was on June 26th, so that's 121 days, or 1.44 Dwilight years.
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Post by: Glaumring the Fox on October 25, 2013, 06:23:46 PM
I had no idea how long in game lol... Yeah 1.44 sounds good for a start. A lot changed in WWII over the years it was fought.
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Post by: Chenier on October 26, 2013, 03:44:14 AM
Trivia:

The peak of Dwilight's population before this war was 2.4 million.

Population has now declined to 2.3 or 2.35 million.

Thus, the minimum civilian death toll for this war is about 50,000 (I saw minimum because some regions have probably grown).

That's not including battle deaths, which are probably some thousands more.

Not sure how that compares to Medieval European wars in scale. Anybody know?

Don't forget that there is a war down south too.
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Post by: Sacha on October 26, 2013, 02:29:38 PM
And don't forget the new births.
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Post by: Eduardo Almighty on October 27, 2013, 02:04:53 AM
Quote
In general, only members of Asylon will pay any attention to the History they write.

This is more than enough :)
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Post by: Jaden on October 28, 2013, 08:01:21 AM
Don't forget that there is a war down south too.

Well, what about the war down south? The general of Luria sure is decked out.
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Post by: Wolfsong on October 29, 2013, 12:39:31 AM
It's just starting to heat up down south.
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Post by: Feylonis on October 29, 2013, 01:55:13 AM
Fissoa just declared war against Luria, and D'Hara managed to successfully defend Qubel.
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Post by: Wolfang on October 29, 2013, 02:28:28 AM
Zis vill be a var zu remember.
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Post by: Buffalkill on October 29, 2013, 04:15:39 AM
It seems you don't understand the quote you are trying to localize to this particular situtation. "The victors write history" is a dumb thing to say IMO with relation to Battlemaster, because in real life the losers were dead or lacking power to write history. In BM, even if they are dead they can edit the wiki but considering death is only optional (deleting characters) except for hero's, they can still counter anything IG so long as they hear about it, which applied before the conflict as well thus being victor in BM has no effects on who writes history.


Alternate versions can exist in real life too. The American Civil War is an example.
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Post by: De-Legro on October 29, 2013, 04:24:24 AM

Alternate versions can exist in real life too. The American Civil War is an example.

You also misunderstand the quote. For nearly ANY history there will be some % that believe "alternate" versions. Thus when they refer to "writing history" they refer to the History as accepted by the vast majority of people.
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Post by: Buffalkill on October 29, 2013, 04:43:49 AM
You also misunderstand the quote. For nearly ANY history there will be some % that believe "alternate" versions. Thus when they refer to "writing history" they refer to the History as accepted by the vast majority of people.


Does that mean that some people don't believe the movie Independence Day is factually correct?
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Post by: Eduardo Almighty on October 29, 2013, 04:56:01 AM
Finally a relevant subject to this topic.  ::)
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Post by: De-Legro on October 29, 2013, 04:56:51 AM

Does that mean that some people don't believe the movie Independence Day is factually correct?

Yes, yes it does
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Post by: Chenier on October 31, 2013, 06:02:41 PM

Does that mean that some people don't believe the movie Independence Day is factually correct?

Of course Will Smith kicked those droopy aliens' asses.
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Post by: pcw27 on November 06, 2013, 01:13:11 AM
He was Agent J working under cover the whole time.
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Post by: Wolfang on November 06, 2013, 12:22:36 PM
So what are nobles up to living in Swordfell & Phantaria?
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Post by: Glaumring the Fox on November 06, 2013, 02:19:50 PM
I know what Phantarias up to but Swordfell fell off the map.
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Post by: Wolfsong on November 07, 2013, 01:01:07 AM
I dunno, Swordfell is awfully close to some cool parties. Maybe if they showed up at the door, they'd get invited inside with the rest of the cool kids.
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Post by: Bjarnson on November 13, 2013, 10:34:50 PM
Oh, how many had thought that this war would be over by now... Yet the conflict is still brewing, far from over.
Wonderful times!
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Post by: De-Legro on November 13, 2013, 10:49:18 PM
Oh, how many had thought that this war would be over by now... Yet the conflict is still brewing, far from over.
Wonderful times!

Then again how many wars are EVER as short as people think :)
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Post by: Indirik on November 13, 2013, 11:04:23 PM
Oh come on, it's almost over. ;)
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Post by: Bjarnson on November 13, 2013, 11:32:26 PM
Oh come on, it's almost over. ;)

=(... But we are having so much fun and I didnt think Astrum would give up already... ;)
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Post by: Indirik on November 13, 2013, 11:53:43 PM
We're a big pushover.
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Post by: Bjarnson on November 14, 2013, 12:42:48 AM
We're a big pushover.

That gave me a big smile, cheerio mate =)
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Post by: cenrae on November 14, 2013, 04:48:35 AM
As a player I really want to do something with the Farronites that would really stir the pot, as is my right as a duchess, but just can't justify it in game with my character....
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Post by: Wolfang on November 14, 2013, 04:09:51 PM
Bad excuse. Imagination.
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Post by: Indirik on November 14, 2013, 06:10:06 PM
Transfer the ancient Farronite rivalry with Terran over to their successor state, Phantaria. Attack them in protest over their interference in the war which the Farronites recently stepped out of.
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Post by: Glaumring the Fox on November 14, 2013, 06:49:25 PM
We're a big pushover.

You mean you 'were' big pushovers!  ;D
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Post by: Indirik on November 14, 2013, 07:01:46 PM
Yeah, now we're just little pushovers...  :'(
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Post by: Glaumring the Fox on November 14, 2013, 08:08:07 PM
Now you know how Asylon feels  :'(
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Post by: Bjarnson on November 18, 2013, 12:14:12 PM
http://memegenerator.net/instance/43107760
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Post by: Lanyon on November 18, 2013, 05:26:47 PM
I wouldn't go as far as winning. It would still be months before Astrum could be defeated at this rate. The niselur/asylon side did score quite a victory though.
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Post by: Glaumring the Fox on November 18, 2013, 05:30:30 PM
Yeah change the heading on this thread to 'The Alliance strikes back at the Theocrats!'
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Post by: Bjarnson on November 18, 2013, 05:56:08 PM
I wouldn't go as far as winning. It would still be months before Astrum could be defeated at this rate. The niselur/asylon side did score quite a victory though.

True, poor choice of words. They still are Astrum after all, and have Morek to aid them, and corsanctum.
I am just riding a wave of joy, from the recent victories and the current map, on my Asylonian surfingboard =)
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Post by: Zakilevo on November 18, 2013, 09:35:09 PM
As soon as I pause my character Astrum goes down. Sad stuff.

Who's leading Astrum these days?

Good to see Astrum lose though. Makes things a lot more interesting.
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Post by: Indirik on November 18, 2013, 10:39:05 PM
Turin is our general.
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Post by: pcw27 on December 08, 2013, 06:46:57 PM
I think this should be updated to read, Winter Stalemate Continues. We've been gridlocked at the border for some time now with neither force wanting to attack. This is most likely motivated in part by winter's abysmal travel times.
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Post by: Glaumring the Fox on December 09, 2013, 12:03:07 AM
Thats odd because...(http://i.imgur.com/HPjsN0g.jpg?1)
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Post by: Bjarnson on December 09, 2013, 04:16:36 AM
Glaumring, Asylon raiding Astrums island does not count... ;)

But other then that, the winter(I guess) keeps things calm in the north.
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Post by: pcw27 on December 09, 2013, 04:47:15 AM
Ha ha, I was aware, but it's a pretty small raid. Astrum and Corsanctum have had  twice the CS of looters in and out of Niselur for weeks now. The point is there aren't any big wins or losses happening. No one's making a real push into either territory.

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Post by: D`Este on December 09, 2013, 11:50:09 AM
Looters? You mean those few lost nobles who nobly stole a few bushels from those poor peasants? If the asylon force is only half of that....
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Post by: pcw27 on December 09, 2013, 07:07:03 PM
Brance was snatching up a hundred bushels a day by himself. I don't know how productive Corsanctum was but they sent in like 5,000cs. Or so I've been lead to believe.

Asylon has about 2500. Their takeover got stopped by the peasant militia.
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Post by: Indirik on December 09, 2013, 10:36:05 PM
My peasants kick ass.
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Post by: Bjarnson on December 09, 2013, 11:21:23 PM
My peasants kick ass.

Indeed they do, especially when they take up arms just as nobles are disembarking, suddenly its like fighting Daimons... The stars are strong in theese ones...
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Post by: Zakilevo on December 10, 2013, 12:00:52 AM
You guys are still fighting? lol
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Post by: Feylonis on December 10, 2013, 01:42:32 AM
It's more poking around with sticks at this point. Niselur/Asylon don't have enough firepower to -completely- overwhelm Astrum, while Astrum doesn't have enough firepower to -completely- rebuild itself. Hence the large amount of rogue regions in between the two sides.
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Post by: Vellos on December 10, 2013, 03:04:15 AM
Shouldn't Morek be showing up at some point?
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Post by: BarticaBoat on December 10, 2013, 10:22:59 PM
Shouldn't Morek be showing up at some point?

That's what we asked a year ago...
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Post by: Indirik on December 10, 2013, 10:42:03 PM
Hey give them a break, the Libero Empire was a tough nut to crack. ::)
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Post by: pcw27 on December 11, 2013, 12:06:19 AM
They paid us a visit a little while ago.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: cenrae on December 19, 2013, 04:20:00 PM
The pot has just been stirred!
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Logar on December 19, 2013, 05:36:33 PM
The pot has just been stirred!

Sweet and Sour comes to mind, mmmm yummy  ;D
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on December 19, 2013, 05:48:31 PM
 8)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Zakilevo on December 19, 2013, 06:15:24 PM
Hey give them a break, the Libero Empire was a tough nut to crack. ::)

Can't agree more.

I still remember GM of Morek telling me how she was having trouble fielding a decent army and all. I am still impressed how Morek defeated an empire ;)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Indirik on December 19, 2013, 06:16:41 PM
You merged the entire !@#$in' realm of Golden Farrow, with the exception being the single city you left behind, into Asylon? In order to do this, you must have created a new duchy explicitly for the purpose of holding only the city so you could transfer *EVERYTHING ELSE*.

Does the term "realm merger" mean nothing to you?
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Feylonis on December 19, 2013, 06:18:05 PM
Only Farrowfield is Friendly with Asylon, everyone else is Indifferent or worse. Time to do what I do best :)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on December 19, 2013, 06:19:37 PM
Only Farrowfield is Friendly with Asylon, everyone else is Indifferent or worse. Time to do what I do best :)

Fail?
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Feylonis on December 19, 2013, 06:32:27 PM
Succeed, actually. As a Diplomat I brought down region sympathy to Asylon during the war, which resulted in a -lot- of protests against the alliance with Asylon (conversely, I propped up sympathy to Astrum which resulted in protests against the war). It had a very nice effect. :)

Also, it would have been harder to pin 'realm merger' if the remaining city in FR didn't have a pro-Asylon standing (which could have been spun as non-consensual). Alas, the sole leader left in FR is suspiciously (conveniently?) pro-Asylon.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on December 19, 2013, 06:45:26 PM
You wasted so much opportunity.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Lorgan on December 19, 2013, 06:49:32 PM
You merged the entire !@#$in' realm of Golden Farrow, with the exception being the single city you left behind, into Asylon? In order to do this, you must have created a new duchy explicitly for the purpose of holding only the city so you could transfer *EVERYTHING ELSE*.

Does the term "realm merger" mean nothing to you?

FR has had those duchies like that for ages.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: cenrae on December 19, 2013, 07:11:52 PM
I let golden farrow become its own duchy long ago so that its ruler could potentially be the ruler of the realm. But that never happened. And conveniently Farrowfield blocks the city from the other regions effectively making it a single region duchy.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Marlboro on December 20, 2013, 12:06:24 AM
Golden Farrow remains an independent city-state with all treaties with surrounding realms intact. I have personally seen how long single-region realms can last even with outright hostile neighbors and I am fairly certain that I can go on indefinitely since nobody is pounding on my doors with torches.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: dustole on December 20, 2013, 03:19:33 AM
Golden Farrow remains an independent city-state with all treaties with surrounding realms intact. I have personally seen how long single-region realms can last even with outright hostile neighbors and I am fairly certain that I can go on indefinitely since nobody is pounding on my doors with torches.


You better pray for some food.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Marlboro on December 20, 2013, 05:33:57 AM

You better pray for some food.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvCgSqPZ4EM
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Galvez on December 20, 2013, 02:58:05 PM
Golden Farrow remains an independent city-state with all treaties with surrounding realms intact. I have personally seen how long single-region realms can last even with outright hostile neighbors and I am fairly certain that I can go on indefinitely since nobody is pounding on my doors with torches.
Don't you think Astrum might pound on your door?
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on December 20, 2013, 04:38:23 PM
Astrum is known for its aggression against free states afterall. ::)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Marlboro on December 20, 2013, 07:56:27 PM
Don't you think Astrum might pound on your door?

Not really, but I won't go into detail.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Feylonis on December 23, 2013, 03:52:26 AM
I'm guessing Asylon-FR pulled this card to further define the war as being SA vs anti-SA. Khari has just given Mech Calen to Jonsu. :)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Bjarnson on December 23, 2013, 06:14:42 AM
I'm guessing Asylon-FR pulled this card to further define the war as being SA vs anti-SA. Khari has just given Mech Calen to Jonsu. :)

You are wrong.
Asylon are not waging this war to be anti-SA, we are waging this war because our hatred for Astrum as an oppressive neighbour has brought us here, also as I stated in my official Casus Belli, to retake regions Astrum took from us in the previous war.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Penchant on December 23, 2013, 08:56:38 AM
You are wrong.
Asylon are not waging this war to be anti-SA, we are waging this war because our hatred for Astrum as an oppressive neighbour has brought us here, also as I stated in my official Casus Belli, to retake regions Astrum took from us in the previous war.
Do you happen to have the Casus Belli saved by chance?
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on December 23, 2013, 05:17:09 PM
The war against Astrum is not a religious war. If it was the temples of SA would have been burned ages ago. That will not happen. We do not wage religious wars, we wage wars of aggression and expansion and defensive wars.

We are a war realm.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: cenrae on December 23, 2013, 07:12:01 PM
Needed to give the region to someone...now to do the same to Mech Derris. ;)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: D`Este on December 23, 2013, 08:08:42 PM
The whole idea of a religious war is invented to get Astrum additional support....
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on December 23, 2013, 08:49:24 PM
They call holy war out of spilled milk , eventually no one cares.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Indirik on December 23, 2013, 09:07:21 PM
The whole idea of a religious war is invented to get Astrum additional support....
Yeah, 'cause there was NO WAY that King Leopold of Niselur declared the whole church leadership corrupt, broke with the church, declared that his realm was no longer a theocracy, and explicitly declared that the reason for his war was to replace the ENTIRE CHURCH LEADERSHIP.

There is absolutely NO WAY that Leopold did anything like that at all. That's just our Level 42 Retconjuration skillz.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Daycryn on December 23, 2013, 10:08:46 PM
The war against Astrum is not a religious war. If it was the temples of SA would have been burned ages ago. That will not happen. We do not wage religious wars, we wage wars of aggression and expansion and defensive wars.

We are a war realm.

Or Asylon waits and bides its time until the Theocracies power is broken, and then burns the temples with impunity. To burn the temples first would unduly kindle SA retribution. Everyone knows Asylon wants the SA hegemony to be shattered, and burning the temples would only make that goal more difficult. Hence, "not a religious war" for now.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on December 23, 2013, 10:17:15 PM
Asylon is a polygot of religions. We collect them and welcome them. Our desire is to see less interference. We dont want to destroy SA, yet it is SA that has constantly said it wants to destroy us and rule all of Dwilight under one faith and the prophet. Asylon doesnt usually have long standing alliances or federations. We are like France, we do our own way.

Anyways if we wanted to destroy our temples we would have ages ago. We might be barbarians but we still respect independent belief as long as it follows the laws of Asylon and our king and council.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Indirik on December 23, 2013, 10:25:28 PM
yet it is SA that has constantly said it wants to destroy us
This is incorrect. SA has never said that. It is not now, nor has it ever been, the policy, expressed or implied, to desire the destruction of Asylon. Some in Astrum have that opinion. As the war progresses, that opinion spreads.

Do some people in SA want to see Asylon destroyed? Sure. Just like some people in Asylon would love to see SA destroyed. (Don't deny it, we already know it's true.) But taking the opinion of one character in SA and extrapolating that to the official policy of SA would be just as wrong as taking Glaumring's personal opinion and declaring that the official policy of Asylon.

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and rule all of Dwilight under one faith and the prophet.
Guilty. Sorta. :P

SA isn't the standard, generic religion that "just wants to be friends". It has from the very beginning expressed a desire to spread its faith across the entire island.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on December 23, 2013, 10:45:17 PM
Agreed. People can believe whatever they want about us but in the end the game is played by those who wake up and move their troops around in it.

We dont even want to see Astrum destroyed but we know Astrum will probably not ever surrender or negotiate with us so we fight on.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Stabbity on December 24, 2013, 04:33:36 AM
This is incorrect. SA has never said that. It is not now, nor has it ever been, the policy, expressed or implied, to desire the destruction of Asylon. Some in Astrum have that opinion. As the war progresses, that opinion spreads.

Do some people in SA want to see Asylon destroyed?

Crusade has been discussed against them in the past, and given SA's actions in the region prior to the war, past.relations with Kabrinskia (thats a tangent on its own), and Asylons's population of refugees from realms SA haz.destroyed in the past, you can't blame Asylon for believing SA wants them destroyed.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Bjarnson on December 24, 2013, 06:58:09 AM
Do you happen to have the Casus Belli saved by chance?

I dont think so, I will look but I highly doubt it.
But in that CB in the rulers channel I clearly stated that Asylon went to war to:
Retake 2 regions Astrum had taken from us.
Defend against Astrum aggression.
Stand by our allies side in this war.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Penchant on December 24, 2013, 07:37:24 AM
I dont think so, I will look but I highly doubt it.
But in that CB in the rulers channel I clearly stated that Asylon went to war to:
Retake 2 regions Astrum had taken from us.
Defend against Astrum aggression.
Stand by our allies side in this war.
I believe you, I just think it would be a nice addition to the wiki.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Bjarnson on December 24, 2013, 08:19:02 PM
Oh, ok, sure, I do not really meddle with the wiki though =/
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on December 28, 2013, 08:37:11 AM
The war against Astrum is not a religious war. If it was the temples of SA would have been burned ages ago. That will not happen. We do not wage religious wars, we wage wars of aggression and expansion and defensive wars.

We are a war realm.

It's official SA policy that an attack on a theocracy is an attack on the Church. On top of that you're the ally of a realm which is the direct target of a crusade. Saladin didn't destroy churches or temples either.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Vellos on December 28, 2013, 09:10:15 AM
It's official SA policy that an attack on a theocracy is an attack on the Church. On top of that you're the ally of a realm which is the direct target of a crusade. Saladin didn't destroy churches or temples either.

Let's avoid game politics here. And saying "you" when you're talking about characters.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on December 28, 2013, 09:26:36 AM
Game politics? What do you mean by that. We can't discuss the politics happening in game?
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: vonGenf on December 28, 2013, 04:00:39 PM
Game politics? What do you mean by that. We can't discuss the politics happening in game?

These are IC informations. You shouldn't state any "official SA policy" on the forum. It belongs in the game. If your character wants to reason with Glaumring's character, it should also be done in the game.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: OFaolain on December 28, 2013, 05:23:23 PM
These are IC informations. You shouldn't state any "official SA policy" on the forum. It belongs in the game. If your character wants to reason with Glaumring's character, it should also be done in the game.

The SA charter says: "The church shall condemn and oppose any aggressive war by any pagan or heretical power at any time against any theocracy."  I would imagine that's public knowledge, or at least public enough for any character who wants to know.  Cut pat some slack here; I now have all sorts of information my character wouldn't have had access to (because he didn't exist yet!), like information about a CB sent in the rulers' channel.  And it's hard to refer to a person's character in the third person when that person (and many others) refer to their own characters in the first person.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Vellos on December 28, 2013, 06:49:01 PM
Just giving a friendly reminder. It's an escalating issue, and led to these forums being closed last time around.

In other news: odds on if Asylon will let Hireshmont stay?
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Bjarnson on December 28, 2013, 07:13:35 PM
Just giving a friendly reminder. It's an escalating issue, and led to these forums being closed last time around.

In other news: odds on if Asylon will let Hireshmont stay?


I would say they where pretty good, but Asylon are no republic or democracy. But I assume I cant tell too much about it as it would be revealing to much IC information?
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on December 28, 2013, 08:23:36 PM
It's official SA policy that an attack on a theocracy is an attack on the Church. On top of that you're the ally of a realm which is the direct target of a crusade. Saladin didn't destroy churches or temples either.

Im trying to figure out how or why a crusade would be any different or scary than what is and has been going on since the time of the Kabrinskian war. What would change if there was a crusade? Would we have to fight two Moreks? Or fight two more Corsanctums? Or two more Astrums? You guys act as if we fear a crusade as if the Astroists are even considered a threat anymore, Niselur and Asylon have torn Astrum apart, its hemoraging gold and food and peasants it was the single shining armoured knight in the crusaders pile of cards and look at Astrum, it looks like Sylvester Stallone in the Rocky movies, sure Astrum wins battles but it is not winning this war, economically and everything else Astrum is falling apart at the seams. SO, why in the name of the gods would we fear a crusade? Who would come? What would they be able to do?

No one is Asylon cares about Astroism and the power of the crusades or prophet anymore, the spell has been broken.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: OFaolain on December 28, 2013, 08:31:47 PM
Glaumring:

A crusade being declared would make it a religious war; even if it's not religious to Asylon, it is to her opponents.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on December 28, 2013, 08:54:20 PM
Im trying to figure out how or why a crusade would be any different or scary than what is and has been going on since the time of the Kabrinskian war. What would change if there was a crusade? Would we have to fight two Moreks? Or fight two more Corsanctums? Or two more Astrums? You guys act as if we fear a crusade as if the Astroists are even considered a threat anymore, Niselur and Asylon have torn Astrum apart, its hemoraging gold and food and peasants it was the single shining armoured knight in the crusaders pile of cards and look at Astrum, it looks like Sylvester Stallone in the Rocky movies, sure Astrum wins battles but it is not winning this war, economically and everything else Astrum is falling apart at the seams. SO, why in the name of the gods would we fear a crusade? Who would come? What would they be able to do?

No one is Asylon cares about Astroism and the power of the crusades or prophet anymore, the spell has been broken.

I never said you need to feel threatened by a crusade I was just saying that's why we've declared it as such and based on the SA ethos it makes perfect sense we would do so.
 
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Vellos on December 28, 2013, 11:13:16 PM
Im trying to figure out how or why a crusade would be any different or scary than what is and has been going on since the time of the Kabrinskian war. What would change if there was a crusade? Would we have to fight two Moreks? Or fight two more Corsanctums? Or two more Astrums? You guys act as if we fear a crusade as if the Astroists are even considered a threat anymore, Niselur and Asylon have torn Astrum apart, its hemoraging gold and food and peasants it was the single shining armoured knight in the crusaders pile of cards and look at Astrum, it looks like Sylvester Stallone in the Rocky movies, sure Astrum wins battles but it is not winning this war, economically and everything else Astrum is falling apart at the seams. SO, why in the name of the gods would we fear a crusade? Who would come? What would they be able to do?

No one is Asylon cares about Astroism and the power of the crusades or prophet anymore, the spell has been broken.

If it became a truly intense crusade priests would start using their powers more completely.


I would say they where pretty good, but Asylon are no republic or democracy. But I assume I cant tell too much about it as it would be revealing to much IC information?

Yeah, Hireshmont's usual strategy of appealing to the people isn't working so well this time around. :P
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Bjarnson on December 28, 2013, 11:55:57 PM
Indeed, it would have worked if it was not King Grimrog that opposes you, but I am breaking a bit of a sweat, especially after you revealed the last bit of info, King Grimrog was not aware that Hireshmont II was one of the "chosen few", but I fear King Grimrog has had enough.

As a priest, is Hireshmont II safe from capture and deportation? or how does it work? I am certain I have heard someone use the Priest class to avoid capture even when banned.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Vellos on December 28, 2013, 11:58:46 PM
Indeed, it would have worked if it was not King Grimrog that opposes you, but I am breaking a bit of a sweat, especially after you revealed the last bit of info, King Grimrog was not aware that Hireshmont II was one of the "chosen few", but I fear King Grimrog has had enough.

As a priest, is Hireshmont II safe from capture and deportation? or how does it work? I am certain I have heard someone use the Priest class to avoid capture even when banned.

He's not a priest; the autopausing booted him from SA which kicked him out of the class.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: vonGenf on December 29, 2013, 12:21:55 AM
As a priest, is Hireshmont II safe from capture and deportation? or how does it work?

You can't deport priests (since their religion does not exist on other continent, and you can't 'de-priest' another character). They can however be executed, but only if they have been banned previously as usual.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Vellos on December 29, 2013, 12:33:03 AM
You can't deport priests (since their religion does not exist on other continent, and you can't 'de-priest' another character). They can however be executed, but only if they have been banned previously as usual.

Anyways, it'll probably all be irrelevant. The Asylonians won't catch Hireshmont.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Marlboro on December 29, 2013, 04:28:08 AM
Anyways, it'll probably all be irrelevant. The Asylonians won't catch Hireshmont.

Hireshmont II is the real Teflon Don.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Shulee on December 31, 2013, 12:34:54 AM
If there was any fairness in the game world we could track him by following the corpses and broken down couriers overladen by the weight of his constant messages, pleas, tomes, and histories.
 ;)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Zakilevo on December 31, 2013, 12:38:11 AM
Looks like the end of Astrum is nigh!
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Vellos on December 31, 2013, 12:54:26 AM
If there was any fairness in the game world we could track him by following the corpses and broken down couriers overladen by the weight of his constant messages, pleas, tomes, and histories.
 ;)

Psh.

I plan on dragging this out a long, long time.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Vellos on December 31, 2013, 12:54:51 AM
Or at least as long as game mechanics make possible.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on January 01, 2014, 03:32:53 AM
New caption should read : Winter Stalemate Ends, Mass Starvation in Astrum could mean the end of the war.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Bolton Ancestral Ghost on January 01, 2014, 11:04:38 PM
Hi, I am new to the thread... and this forum in general. Great discussion you all got going here.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 01, 2014, 11:07:12 PM
HI BOLTON!  8)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Bolton Ancestral Ghost on January 01, 2014, 11:30:38 PM
Hiya Glaumring!  :D... Just reading the title of this thread... It looks to me like it really requires an update... Something along the lines of "Astrum nobles now resorting to eating their own peasants for sustenance".
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Penchant on January 02, 2014, 02:11:21 AM
Hi, I am new to the thread... and this forum in general. Great discussion you all got going here.
Welcome to the forums.  :)
Hiya Glaumring!  :D... Just reading the title of this thread... It looks to me like it really requires an update... Something along the lines of "Astrum nobles now resorting to eating their own peasants for sustenance".
Thats what I have heard.
Title: Re: Astrum broken and shattered.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 02, 2014, 03:01:29 AM
There are many here that did not think they would ever hear or say that. Yet here we are...
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Buffalkill on January 02, 2014, 04:55:42 AM
If you haven't been able to keep up with the repartee in the Hireshmont drama, this should bring you up to speed. Feel free to add to it:
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Homeless_Hireshmont (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Homeless_Hireshmont)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: dustole on January 02, 2014, 05:06:52 AM
If you haven't been able to keep up with the repartee in the Hireshmont drama, this should bring you up to speed. Feel free to add to it:
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Homeless_Hireshmont (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Homeless_Hireshmont)

loved it.
Title: Re: Astrum broken and shattered.
Post by: OFaolain on January 02, 2014, 05:13:10 AM
There are many here that did not think they would ever hear or say that. Yet here we are...

Astrum's always starving.  When Eoghan was Banker (when Astrum was at war with Caerwyn and Averoth) I had to systematically starve regions so that the starvation in any one place never got *too* bad.  That and the occasional shipment from Morek or Summerdale were all that kept us afloat; those were good times.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: cenrae on January 02, 2014, 05:28:57 AM
If you haven't been able to keep up with the repartee in the Hireshmont drama, this should bring you up to speed. Feel free to add to it:
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Homeless_Hireshmont (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Homeless_Hireshmont)

Ah that was hilarious. Well done!
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Marlboro on January 02, 2014, 05:30:09 AM
If you haven't been able to keep up with the repartee in the Hireshmont drama, this should bring you up to speed. Feel free to add to it:
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Homeless_Hireshmont (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Homeless_Hireshmont)

Freaking died at Overly Attached Khari.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Bolton Ancestral Ghost on January 02, 2014, 12:25:01 PM
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f you haven't been able to keep up with the repartee in the Hireshmont drama, this should bring you up to speed. Feel free to add to it: http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Homeless_Hireshmont"

Brilliant m8, simply a really good laugh that was.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on January 02, 2014, 01:34:04 PM
The whole problem is that the High Magistrate of Asylon asked him to leave instead of ban him. I missed the last election, but I will try to recover the position in time to catch Hireshmont and banish him or execute him as how it should have been done :)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 02, 2014, 02:06:38 PM
If you haven't been able to keep up with the repartee in the Hireshmont drama, this should bring you up to speed. Feel free to add to it:
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Homeless_Hireshmont (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Homeless_Hireshmont)


Oh god that's more than perfect
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Feylonis on January 02, 2014, 03:43:56 PM
Just got back from vacation, and Halleria's all healed up! Time to plan my next escapade har har har. The question is whether to go back north or continue the slow travel south...
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Galvez on January 02, 2014, 04:00:26 PM
If you haven't been able to keep up with the repartee in the Hireshmont drama, this should bring you up to speed. Feel free to add to it:
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Homeless_Hireshmont (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Homeless_Hireshmont)
Hilarious  ;D can't wait for part two.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 02, 2014, 06:18:23 PM
The talk between Glaumring/Graeth and Grimrog about Vellos. we basically agree on everything. was pretty funny because we basically went against Grimrog on purpose just to make his life difficult.  ;D
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Stabbity on January 02, 2014, 08:25:56 PM
If you haven't been able to keep up with the repartee in the Hireshmont drama, this should bring you up to speed. Feel free to add to it:
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Homeless_Hireshmont (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Homeless_Hireshmont)

Brilliant.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on January 02, 2014, 09:35:44 PM
Oh god the picture for Astrum made me Lol.


Looks like the end of Astrum is nigh!

If we have to we'll just turtle up and try to build up our strength again.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Indirik on January 02, 2014, 10:34:53 PM
Oh god the picture for Astrum made me Lol.
That picture of Astrum is complete BS.




We ate the last cow over a year ago. I don't think that there's anything larger than a hamster still living in the entire realm. (Hamster stew isn't very filling... )
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Buffalkill on January 03, 2014, 03:48:02 AM

http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Homeless_Hireshmont_Chapter_2 (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Homeless_Hireshmont_Chapter_2)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on January 03, 2014, 05:47:38 AM
That picture of Astrum is complete BS.




We ate the last cow over a year ago. I don't think that there's anything larger than a hamster still living in the entire realm. (Hamster stew isn't very filling... )

Nah those are my cows, Bessie and Lucy. Their milk is delicious.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Daimall on January 04, 2014, 05:03:29 AM
Well in retrospect, since Niselur was one of the big grain suppliers to Asturm pre-war from what I understand, I guess what happened to Asturm now was the only expected thing to happen in an extended conflict.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on January 04, 2014, 06:05:26 AM
Most definitely. SA definitely didn't take advantage of the crusade status of the war. They should have rallied every rural lord in SA and gotten them to supply reserve food.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: dustole on January 04, 2014, 06:24:31 AM
There has been a history of rallying when everything seems lost.  Can it be pulled off again?   I don't give it very good odds, but there is always a chance...   
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 04, 2014, 07:01:06 AM
Brought to its knees by a freedom loving alliance of iron .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QBDBToEBSE


And these guys.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58iYKU-RmU4
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on January 04, 2014, 08:40:14 AM
There has been a history of rallying when everything seems lost.  Can it be pulled off again?   I don't give it very good odds, but there is always a chance...

I was thinking we might sort of take on the role of England in WWII.

However right now it seems more likely that we'll sue for peace.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Bjarnson on January 04, 2014, 06:14:59 PM
If you haven't been able to keep up with the repartee in the Hireshmont drama, this should bring you up to speed. Feel free to add to it:
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Homeless_Hireshmont (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Homeless_Hireshmont)

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Dude, I love you so much I wish I could give you an honoray title or something =D

The talk between Glaumring/Graeth and Grimrog about Vellos. we basically agree on everything. was pretty funny because we  basically went against Grimrog on purpose just to make his life difficult.  ;D

Thats what friends are for, isnt. The sad part is that King Grimrog almost got conviced by his trusted friends, then Hireshmont said something that made the old BearKing angry, but that is what happens when you poke the bear enough times.

Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Bolton Ancestral Ghost on January 05, 2014, 11:29:40 AM
Quote
Brought to its knees by a freedom loving alliance of iron .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QBDBToEBSE


And these guys.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58iYKU-RmU4

I like the first one, very interesting. I'm not too sure about the other one....dumb and dummer -500 BC?
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Daimall on January 06, 2014, 08:24:50 AM
Astrum now has only one city under their control which is their capital Eidulb. Looks like Chrysantalys and Libidizedd both simultaneously revolted on the same turn. I don't think it likely that Niselur would agree with the current peace proposal set forth from Asturm at this rate.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: D`Este on January 06, 2014, 11:38:25 AM
Peace proposal from astrum? I must have missed something
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Bjarnson on January 06, 2014, 04:16:40 PM
The wheels of war keeps turning. Both sides seem to think they have the upper hand. Very interesting.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 06, 2014, 07:00:08 PM
A peace proposal from Astrum is laughable. They still refuse to negotiate with Asylon and still are trying for a one sided peace. The arrogance is shocking, they still act like they have a pedestal to negotiate from.

Any peace negotiated will include both Asylon and Niselur and on terms of our victory.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Penchant on January 06, 2014, 09:37:22 PM
Niselur is having an unofficial temporary "Cease Fire" so honorably by leaving Astrum when a larger force arrives and its temporary deadline wouldn't have anything to do with the fact it gives them plenty of time to refit while being attacked Astrum can't happen otherwise they are lying about wanting peace of course.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: D`Este on January 06, 2014, 09:40:15 PM
oh the cease fire thing had only to do with Astrum losing another two cities that turn...
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 06, 2014, 10:12:48 PM
Breaking news! Astrum is holding a news conference! http://youtu.be/yfAeMtcURg0
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on January 07, 2014, 12:09:47 AM
They are more like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qurbPcL1XlU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qurbPcL1XlU)

(I'm Brazilian, I can make a joke with a fellow comrade :) )
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 07, 2014, 12:54:00 AM
Was that portogeuse? Its odd I understood everything he said but I doubt it was English... Was it?
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Buffalkill on January 07, 2014, 01:26:48 AM
Breaking news! Astrum is holding a news conference! http://youtu.be/yfAeMtcURg0 (http://youtu.be/yfAeMtcURg0)


Heheh
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: dustole on January 07, 2014, 02:42:24 AM
I'm having illusions of grandeur.  I'm gonna turn this war around so I can loot everybodies wine cellars.  Then I can throw a huge tournament in honor of myself.


 ;-)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Daycryn on January 07, 2014, 03:36:18 AM
I'm having illusions of grandeur.  I'm gonna turn this war around so I can loot everybodies wine cellars.  Then I can throw a huge tournament in honor of myself.


 ;-)

Ha! That sounds like you, alright.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 07, 2014, 04:07:27 AM
I'm having illusions of grandeur.  I'm gonna turn this war around so I can loot everybodies wine cellars.  Then I can throw a huge tournament in honor of myself.


 ;-)


As long as they don't turn into full delusions of grandeur you'll be fine!  ;)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on January 08, 2014, 07:41:31 AM
I'm having illusions of grandeur.  I'm gonna turn this war around so I can loot everybodies wine cellars.  Then I can throw a huge tournament in honor of myself.


 ;-)

Well there's always the slim chance Niselur will make peace with us and not Morek.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: D`Este on January 08, 2014, 10:56:53 AM
Well there's always the slim chance Niselur will make peace with us and not Morek.

And would be the point of that exactly? Only reason we are at war with morek now is that they are trying to safe your ass.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on January 09, 2014, 12:53:23 AM
False, when Leopold withdrew from the federation he declared war on all member nations by default. Libero Empire, Niselur's vassal state then attacked Morek, so Morek has reasons to continue the war beyond helping Astrum. On top of that there's still a crusade going on.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Penchant on January 09, 2014, 05:37:01 AM
False, when Leopold withdrew from the federation he declared war on all member nations by default. Libero Empire, Niselur's vassal state then attacked Morek, so Morek has reasons to continue the war beyond helping Astrum. On top of that there's still a crusade going on.
It's defensive though. I don't know where you get the delusions that it's an offensive crusade.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: BarticaBoat on January 09, 2014, 06:26:27 AM
Astrum didn't lose this war, Morek and SA lost the war. Astrum was just a casualty. Not that it was impossible for us to win, but the death of Astrum will affect SA far more than they think.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on January 09, 2014, 09:48:10 AM
It's defensive though. I don't know where you get the delusions that it's an offensive crusade.

I honestly don't remember what the official declaration said this time around, but I'm pretty sure it really was against Niselur. It wouldn't make sense for the Crusade to have been made in defense of Astrum when all three members of the Astroist Federation had war declared on them and two were under attack.

The previous crusade was "in defense of Terran" and I'm reasonably sure that's what's confusing people.

Regardless, since there's no record in the SA archives of the exact terms of the crusade Turin will certainly be remembering it as a crusade against the secular government in Terran.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 14, 2014, 10:38:59 PM
Well fought Astrum. I am really trying to get killed in these battles, second time wounded in a week. Glaumring is 69 years old and still as cocky as ever, yet getting old and frail. Excellent fight, you killed our general :( . Astrum is unbeatable in the field, we knew that going in and its been a challenge. More to come hopefully!
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Chenier on January 14, 2014, 10:43:03 PM
I honestly don't remember what the official declaration said this time around, but I'm pretty sure it really was against Niselur. It wouldn't make sense for the Crusade to have been made in defense of Astrum when all three members of the Astroist Federation had war declared on them and two were under attack.

The previous crusade was "in defense of Terran" and I'm reasonably sure that's what's confusing people.

Regardless, since there's no record in the SA archives of the exact terms of the crusade Turin will certainly be remembering it as a crusade against the secular government in Terran.

Me too, but I'm not quite confident in my memory of these things.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: sharkattack on January 14, 2014, 11:37:42 PM
Well fought Astrum. I am really trying to get killed in these battles, second time wounded in a week. Glaumring is 69 years old and still as cocky as ever, yet getting old and frail. Excellent fight, you killed our general :( . Astrum is unbeatable in the field, we knew that going in and its been a challenge. More to come hopefully!


Asylon had very low morale and high equipment damage that gave Astrum and Morek edge in that attack, otherwise Asylon would have won i think.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Chenier on January 14, 2014, 11:41:25 PM

Asylon had very low morale and high equipment damage that gave Astrum and Morek edge in that attack, otherwise Asylon would have won i think.

They did have greater numbers.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on January 14, 2014, 11:48:07 PM
I honestly don't remember what the official declaration said this time around, but I'm pretty sure it really was against Niselur. It wouldn't make sense for the Crusade to have been made in defense of Astrum when all three members of the Astroist Federation had war declared on them and two were under attack.

The previous crusade was "in defense of Terran" and I'm reasonably sure that's what's confusing people.

Regardless, since there's no record in the SA archives of the exact terms of the crusade Turin will certainly be remembering it as a crusade against the secular government in Niselur.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Zakilevo on January 15, 2014, 06:10:34 AM
Astrum was doing perfectly fine under my command  8) Hell we were doing way too good for our own good  8)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: BarticaBoat on January 15, 2014, 06:32:35 AM

Asylon had very low morale and high equipment damage that gave Astrum and Morek edge in that attack, otherwise Asylon would have won i think.
I would attribute more to some rather inspired line settings from the Morekian General... I was impressed to be honest.
Astrum was doing perfectly fine under my command  8) Hell we were doing way too good for our own good  8)
We were amazing, weren't we? Back when I could be scowling and old, without being told I'm too mean...
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on January 15, 2014, 08:03:23 AM
I would attribute more to some rather inspired line settings from the Morekian General... I was impressed to be honest.We were amazing, weren't we? Back when I could be scowling and old, without being told I'm too mean...

Morek has long been known for producing solid Marshals and Generals. You have Bustoarsenzio, myself, even Allison arguably, although she was more known for her political intrigues. There are others too, but I cannot name them off the top of my head since it has been years since I've been in Morek.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on January 17, 2014, 06:46:02 AM
Well fought Astrum. I am really trying to get killed in these battles, second time wounded in a week. Glaumring is 69 years old and still as cocky as ever, yet getting old and frail. Excellent fight, you killed our general :( . Astrum is unbeatable in the field, we knew that going in and its been a challenge. More to come hopefully!

We did? I totally missed that. I'm gonna look over that battle report again and see who killed him.

As for dieing in battle, keep waiting. I've been wounded and seriously wounded so many times I figure my whole body is just scar tissue.

Astrum was doing perfectly fine under my command  8) Hell we were doing way too good for our own good  8)

In my defense your last campaign into Asylon let Niselur really mess up our northern rural regions. I think that's a big factor in the rampant starvation that's now destroying us. 
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Zakilevo on January 17, 2014, 07:43:04 AM
In my defense your last campaign into Asylon let Niselur really mess up our northern rural regions. I think that's a big factor in the rampant starvation that's now destroying us.

Uh no? I told you guys (you and Abek) to attack Walefishire. What did you guys do? You guys convinced Sergio to attack Itaufield to loot. The best thing Asylon has ever done against me was to wound me in my last campaign for 3 days. That allowed you two to do whatever you want.  :P
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on January 17, 2014, 07:53:48 AM
Uh no? I told you guys (you and Abek) to attack Walefishire. What did you guys do? You guys convinced Sergio to attack Itaufield to loot. The best thing Asylon has ever done against me was to wound me in my last campaign for 3 days. That allowed you two to do whatever you want.  :P

What does that matter? Niselur was still on the other side of the realm tearing up our bread basket. Even if we'd taken back Walefshire we wouldn't have been any less screwed when all the militia in Eidlub Outskirts starved to death.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Zakilevo on January 17, 2014, 09:43:50 AM
What does that matter? Niselur was still on the other side of the realm tearing up our bread basket. Even if we'd taken back Walefshire we wouldn't have been any less screwed when all the militia in Eidlub Outskirts starved to death.

Uh I never planned on retaking Walefishire. If we simply burned the walls and destroyed the region while sending most of our men back to the capital, we would have had a shorter refit. I had to pause for 5 days after the campaign and when I came back, none of you did anything :p while Niselur roamed free. I am still surprised people voted you as my successor. I even told everyone in the military council what they should do before I paused completely. I don't exactly know what happened after I paused but within 2 months, Astrum fell apart. You undid 4 months worth of work in half the time. Clap Clap Clap.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Stabbity on January 17, 2014, 09:52:04 AM
Lets keep this civil, no need for a flame war.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on January 17, 2014, 04:16:39 PM
Can't you see? Without a single man for 5 days Astrum is now doomed!  8)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on January 18, 2014, 12:34:22 AM
Uh I never planned on retaking Walefishire. If we simply burned the walls and destroyed the region while sending most of our men back to the capital, we would have had a shorter refit. I had to pause for 5 days after the campaign and when I came back, none of you did anything :p while Niselur roamed free. I am still surprised people voted you as my successor. I even told everyone in the military council what they should do before I paused completely. I don't exactly know what happened after I paused but within 2 months, Astrum fell apart. You undid 4 months worth of work in half the time. Clap Clap Clap.

For starters, it's not like that was the first time you let Niselur ravage the northern rurals. Much of your strategy was a matter of trading blows in terms of food looted/destroyed. The problem is Niselur can take that hit a lot more easily then we can.

Also if Itaufield was close enough we could scout it we were already well into Asylon's territory, which means Walefshire was well behind us, so we would have had to attack it on our way home. That would have left us just as screwed if not more so, we may have been a little closer for a refit but a siege like that would have caused heavy casualties so our refit would be longer. If we actually stayed to loot the region rogue and destroy all the fortifications we'd actually have been getting home even later. There is no way in nine hells targeting Itaufield over Walefshire was the single event that made the realm collapse like a row of dominos.

At the start I actually did try and follow the plans you laid out and they didn't work. I tried to initiate the looting campaign you devised twice. The first time Niselur dodged our army thanks to that stupid mechanic where both armies will always unite against a rogue militia in a rogue region.  That let them slip past us into Sabadell which was way too important a food source too ignore. The second time Asylon moved an army north via the Cooridor of Torment. We were actually incredibly lucky because I'd been organizing a joint strike with Morek. So what would have been a disastrous defeat turned into a minor victory. After beating Asylon and Niselur we found Gaston Farms stocked with enough militia to keep us out. That pretty much put those plans to an end.

I actually wonder what would have happened if I'd completely scrapped that strategy, blown right past Gaston Farms and conquered Darfix like I wanted to in the first place. It definitely would have been more fun.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: BarticaBoat on January 18, 2014, 12:52:08 AM
For starters, it's not like that was the first time you let Niselur ravage the northern rurals. Much of your strategy was a matter of trading blows in terms of food looted/destroyed. The problem is Niselur can take that hit a lot more easily then we can.
False. We were in a far better position for a tit for tat situation, considering our larger, more cohesive army with better strategicians. Niselur is located in wide open plains, we are on the otherside of a natural choke point... holding our core lands should've been far easier than became evident.

Also if Itaufield was close enough we could scout it we were already well into Asylon's territory, which means Walefshire was well behind us, so we would have had to attack it on our way home. That would have left us just as screwed if not more so, we may have been a little closer for a refit but a siege like that would have caused heavy casualties so our refit would be longer. If we actually stayed to loot the region rogue and destroy all the fortifications we'd actually have been getting home even later. There is no way in nine hells targeting Itaufield over Walefshire was the single event that made the realm collapse like a row of dominos.
False.  They are two regions apart. Sacking Walefishire would deprive Asylon of its gold and fortifications. Refitting is not a problem for us, we have(had?) nearly endless gold. Not sacking Walefishire was the first of quite a few questionable decisions.

At the start I actually did try and follow the plans you laid out and they didn't work. I tried to initiate the looting campaign you devised twice. The first time Niselur dodged our army thanks to that stupid mechanic where both armies will always unite against a rogue militia in a rogue region.  That let them slip past us into Sabadell which was way too important a food source too ignore. The second time Asylon moved an army north via the Cooridor of Torment. We were actually incredibly lucky because I'd been organizing a joint strike with Morek. So what would have been a disastrous defeat turned into a minor victory. After beating Asylon and Niselur we found Gaston Farms stocked with enough militia to keep us out. That pretty much put those plans to an end.
Because you can't do the same thing twice, they would be expecting us. The plan was (as I recall) attack Niselur, fall back, attack Asylon, fall back, rinse, repeat. We had two defensible choke points, it shouldn't have been a problem. Niselur had a far less capacity than us to rebuild.

I actually wonder what would have happened if I'd completely scrapped that strategy, blown right past Gaston Farms and conquered Darfix like I wanted to in the first place. It definitely would have been more fun.
Fun for you, you've been fixated on Darfix since Dwilight opened! The plan was always to wash around Gaston, loot Niselur's core so they starve, then deal with Asylon's weak army.

We should've burned Asylon a year or two ago, when I said they will strike us when we are at our weakest. But nope, we accomplished our goals in that war ::)

All in all, this has been fun for Karibash and has given him a good opportunity to find a glorious death and finally let his saga come to a close!

Additional fun facts based on statistics and intelligence gathering: Asylon produces approximately 86% of the food it requires while Niselur produces 106%. Together, they produce about 94.5% of their food requirements. Astrum alone produces 141% of its food needs. Based on military numbers, Asyloniselur requires ~100 bushels in addition, bringing their food supply to ~93.4%. Astrum's military atm requires about 22 bushels (lol), bringing their food supply to 140%... I estimate on historical data, with a renewed army we would be at ~135% supply...

Analytics, my friends ;)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on January 18, 2014, 02:56:21 AM
False. We were in a far better position for a tit for tat situation, considering our larger, more cohesive army with better strategicians. Niselur is located in wide open plains, we are on the otherside of a natural choke point... holding our core lands should've been far easier than became evident.

We were in a better position to us some of our forces to protect our lands and the rest to raid. We actually don't have a choke point in the north. No matter what two regions need to be defended to keep Niselur out.

False.  They are two regions apart.

Except the army wasn't actually in Walefshire. It's not like we were in Duil and I marched us blind into Itaufield. We were at least as close as Elets because I remember scouting Itaufield and finding it empty. So a total of one region was added to the journey. Walefshire wouldn't have been a cake walk either, I seem to recall that it had a ton of militia and fortifications.

Sacking Walefishire would deprive Asylon of its gold and fortifications. Refitting is not a problem for us, we have(had?) nearly endless gold. Not sacking Walefishire was the first of quite a few questionable decisions.

We sacked it before and it accomplished bubkis. Why sack it again? It's not as if it's a city where they can actually amass forces, it's a townsland, a nice pit stop to repair your equipment. With all the militia defending the place it wasn't producing much gold. I went for Itaufield for the chance to maybe hit Itau, because that would have really hurt Asylon.

Because you can't do the same thing twice, they would be expecting us. The plan was (as I recall) attack Niselur, fall back, attack Asylon, fall back, rinse, repeat.

On the contrary doing the same thing twice after consistently going back and forth is the perfect way to hit them with something they're not expecting. Its a common tactic, establish a pattern, then suddenly break it. They key is you have to break the pattern before they do. It just so happened that we instead broke the pattern at the same time. That's why Asylon's army was in the north.

If we had gone for Asylon after Niselur rebuffed us the first time we would have been ruined. Remember Asylon's army had just marched north then looped around south. What's more they actually vastly outnumbered us (we needed Moreks support to stop the attack). We would have had to spend additional time raising a large enough army to take them out. They would have annihilated everything north of Eidulb Outskirts by the time we got back from Asylon.

We had two defensible choke points, it shouldn't have been a problem. Niselur had a far less capacity than us to rebuild.

When I first took command it was actually Asylon that had multiple choke points. By treaty we couldn't cross into the Farronite Republic, so we only had a narrow strip of rogue lands to march through. From there they had Itaufield, then Upper and Lower Via. A fruitful incursion into Asylon from the north is not easy.

Also with respect to choke points and easily defended regions, I inherited a realm that wasn't taking advantage of them at all. I have no idea why Yggdramir was devoid of militia. Now that's a choke point! Only Eidulb Outskirts was well defended, and of course that counted for nothing once they all starved to death.

Niselur had a far less capacity than us to rebuild.

None the less they rebuilt amazingly fast. After their joint attack with Asylon they were about at full strength.

Fun for you, you've been fixated on Darfix since Dwilight opened!

Actually during the expedition I proposed that Darfix was too difficult to take and we should try instead for Itau or Echiur. Conquering it ended up being pretty fun. I've done it twice now. They say third time's the charm :D

The plan was always to wash around Gaston, loot Niselur's core so they starve, then deal with Asylon's weak army.

I tried to carry out that plan and it didn't work because Asylon and Niselur joined forces in the north and blocked my ability to enter Niselur's core.

We should've burned Asylon a year or two ago, when I said they will strike us when we are at our weakest. But nope, we accomplished our goals in that war ::)

Yeah the biggest mistake I made was pushing for peace during the Southern War when I was king of Iashalur. I should have just helped crush them but Glaumring guilted me into speaking up or them.

All in all, this has been fun for Karibash and has given him a good opportunity to find a glorious death and finally let his saga come to a close!

Watch the war end and we're both still alive.

Additional fun facts based on statistics and intelligence gathering: Asylon produces approximately 86% of the food it requires while Niselur produces 106%. Together, they produce about 94.5% of their food requirements. Astrum alone produces 141% of its food needs. Based on military numbers, Asyloniselur requires ~100 bushels in addition, bringing their food supply to ~93.4%. Astrum's military atm requires about 22 bushels (lol), bringing their food supply to 140%... I estimate on historical data, with a renewed army we would be at ~135% supply...

Analytics, my friends ;)

Are those the current figures? Astrum just lost two cities and Asylon just absorbed a half dead realm so that would account for the shift in production vs consumption. Also so many have died in Eidulb it's almost at equilibrium. I know for a fact Astrum ran a food deficit for years because they were always Iashalur's prime trade partner.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: BarticaBoat on January 18, 2014, 03:14:01 AM
You don't call that a chokepoint, I do. By blockading one region you control the movement of the enemy army. Destroy mobility, destroy effectiveness.

Hitting Itau was so unlikely... far too big a gamble imo.

Except the strategy and flow of the war was tit for tat. No one was going to score an outright victory. When one attacked north, the other attacked south. It was a war of attrition, who could grind the other into dust first... we were winning. If they spent time destroying our north, we could've destroyed Asylonian heartland... afaik, they weren't net food producers (correct me if I'm wrong?) and if they were it was perilous. They have mostly narrow coastal regions, and cities. Let them raid the north, we will ravage the south. It's almost like you don't remember monster hordes in early Dwilight!

Treaty with FR was stupid, they were utterly ineffective in the war and a complete liability for Asyloniselur. Attacking them creates a stressor on the allies to defend them. Besides, the treaty paved the way for massive funneling of gold into Asylon leading to their uncharacteristicly huge armies afterwards.

We were complacent with defenses, no doubt.

Again, peace with Farronite spurred them to funnel gold!

As for the numbers, Astrum had a reasonable deficit, but I think Asylon did as well without the massive gold reserves. My numbers are old, but if despite absorbing FR they are still in deficit... well, we could've dealt with them easily. We did not resort to total war, attacking the food suppliers of the enemy axis was a prime diplomatic point we failed on.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on January 18, 2014, 03:33:32 AM
You don't call that a chokepoint, I do. By blockading one region you control the movement of the enemy army. Destroy mobility, destroy effectiveness.

In game terms I'd only call a single region blocking their path a bottle neck. Two regions makes it very easy to slip past. I've seen it happen a bunch of times. We could have had a bottle neck if there were large numbers of militia in Sabadell or Zereth but nope.

Hitting Itau was so unlikely... far too big a gamble imo.

But remember we'd just seen Darfix virtually undefended. There was a good chance the enemy was going to be complacent.

Except the strategy and flow of the war was tit for tat. No one was going to score an outright victory. When one attacked north, the other attacked south. It was a war of attrition, who could grind the other into dust first... we were winning. If they spent time destroying our north, we could've destroyed Asylonian heartland... afaik, they weren't net food producers (correct me if I'm wrong?) and if they were it was perilous. They have mostly narrow coastal regions, and cities. Let them raid the north, we will ravage the south. It's almost like you don't remember monster hordes in early Dwilight!

Their rurals were a lot harder to get to. Like I said the path to their bread basket is just a series of bottlenecks. By the time we got to Upper Via they'd have wiped out every last one of our rural regions. Then we'd have a long march home giving them plenty of time to rebuild.

Could the rebalance explain why they're somehow in a deficit after absorbing all those regions?

Treaty with FR was stupid, they were utterly ineffective in the war and a complete liability for Asyloniselur. Attacking them creates a stressor on the allies to defend them. Besides, the treaty paved the way for massive funneling of gold into Asylon leading to their uncharacteristicly huge armies afterwards.


We were complacent with defenses, no doubt.

Again, peace with Farronite spurred them to funnel gold!

As for the numbers, Astrum had a reasonable deficit, but I think Asylon did as well without the massive gold reserves. My numbers are old, but if despite absorbing FR they are still in deficit... well, we could've dealt with them easily. We did not resort to total war, attacking the food suppliers of the enemy axis was a prime diplomatic point we failed on.
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Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Zakilevo on January 18, 2014, 06:38:41 AM
You and Abek kept on suggesting impossible plans through the war. Setting up a colony in Darfix? We sacked Darfix to see if your plan was even viable and the moment we arrived in the city our men began to lose morale. We wouldn't have been able to stay in that city more than 2-3 days. Even getting there made us lose 5k CS to damaged equipment.

I can't believe you actually thought that was a viable strategy. We were right next to Walefishire when I got wounded.

We slaughtered Asylonians in Dunnbrook and while I was wounded, someone ordered our armies to chase after Asylonians. Before I got wounded I specifically told my marshals that our plan for the campaign was to deal with Walefishire. Why? Because without Walefishire, Asylon had no place near Astrum to gather their forces. Walefishire was a fortified island where they could gather their men without worry about us crushing them.

I will admit I made a horrible mistake by not publicly announcing my successor. I would have either made people vote for marshals from the judgement or Karibash. I literally had to order the Defenders myself cause I couldn't trust my marshals. Turin almost got half of our mobile force destroyed by himself. Luckily, someone sent me a message and I managed that what could have been a disaster. Abek right out refused to follow my orders when we barely won in Farrowfield but that was mostly due to the players inexperience with the game so that was understandable.

Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on January 18, 2014, 09:31:25 AM
You and Abek kept on suggesting impossible plans through the war. Setting up a colony in Darfix? We sacked Darfix to see if your plan was even viable and the moment we arrived in the city our men began to lose morale. We wouldn't have been able to stay in that city more than 2-3 days. Even getting there made us lose 5k CS to damaged equipment.

I seriously doubt that because I've tested the upper thresholds of morale penalties and Darfix isn't anywhere close to the point at which you can only hold for two or three days. I kept a unit going that long in Chesland albeit with frequent entertainment. You definitely didn't say anything about morale penalties at the time.

We were right next to Walefishire when I got wounded.

We slaughtered Asylonians in Dunnbrook and while I was wounded, someone ordered our armies to chase after Asylonians. Before I got wounded I specifically told my marshals that our plan for the campaign was to deal with Walefishire. Why? Because without Walefishire, Asylon had no place near Astrum to gather their forces. Walefishire was a fortified island where they could gather their men without worry about us crushing them.

None of that makes any sense. Why would we have been in Dunnbrook if our target was explicitly and unambiguously Walefshire? Clearly something here is being misremembered or misrepresented. As best I can remember we were discussing a lot of different potential targets before you were wounded.

Walefshire was worth absolutely nothing as a staging area because Asylon was incapable of penetrating Eidulb Outskirts. That's why they looped around the other side of the subcontinent twice in order to try and attack us.  If anything we were better off leaving Walefshire there so we could skirt around them while they're hunkering down in the fortifications.

Even if we'd targeted Walefshire it would have shaved a day off of Niselur's pillaging at the most because we would have taken more casualties and thus had a much longer refit time. It certainly wouldn't have saved Aquitain, Zereth or YggdRazhuul.

I literally had to order the Defenders myself cause I couldn't trust my marshals. Turin almost got half of our mobile force destroyed by himself. Luckily, someone sent me a message and I managed that what could have been a disaster.

Actually you literally didn't have to do anything because every time I lead a multi-turn attack I scout the very next turn to see if enough forces are inbound. I would have seen there weren't enough and ordered them to fall back. You didn't prevent anything and the ensuing battle was a crushing victory. For all you know if we'd waited until you felt comfortable attacking enough defenders would have shown up to force a stalemate and waste the entire campaign. I can't believe you're actually still going on about that one.

So what's your explanation for why the realm lacked militia in several critical regions?
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Zakilevo on January 18, 2014, 11:40:43 AM
Yes we were discussing what we'd do once we lose. I expected either a close victory or a close defeat. Instead, we crushed Asylon because their settings were horrible.

We were in Dunnbrook because that is where I got wounded. We ran around Walefishire remember? to drag them out of the place because they had over 20k CS stationed there and we only had 19k CS during the campaign and we ended up only getting 17k CS instead of 23k because people were lagging behind. We moved to Knyazes to drag them out of the fortified region by pretending to strike deeper into their territories. They bit the bait and moved out of the fortified region and we attacked Dunnbrook with what we had. The only mistake I made there was not planning any scenario for a crushing victory which I didn't expect.

If you want to know what exactly happened you can check Kihalin's wiki page for that. After the battle we had about 12k CS left and we could have just dealt with Walefishire which only had 2-3k but instead somebody thought it was smart to attack Itaufield just to loot the region for a turn which accomplished nothing.

About Darfix, I never visited Darfix myself so I am not quite sure but several people sent me reports on their men losing morale that is why I ordered people to pull back instead of looting the city to the ground. I wanted us to stay in the city longer to steal as much food as possible but we had to retreat due to morale loss + equipment damage. I am guessing it wasn't the distance that was causing the morale loss. We probably just stayed in Niselur too long. There was a bug during the campaign which made the armies get stuck between regions for 2 full days which forced us to stay in Niselur longer for no reason. I remember this clearly because Niselur sent 6k after us to crush the scattered Defenders(scattered to steal food more efficiently).

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Actually you literally didn't have to do anything because every time I lead a multi-turn attack I scout the very next turn to see if enough forces are inbound. I would have seen there weren't enough and ordered them to fall back. You didn't prevent anything and the ensuing battle was a crushing victory. For all you know if we'd waited until you felt comfortable attacking enough defenders would have shown up to force a stalemate and waste the entire campaign. I can't believe you're actually still going on about that one.

So what's your explanation for why the realm lacked militia in several critical regions?

Uh no. It doesn't work that way. You don't just order in the middle of the day asking people to pull back. If you want people to actually respond, you order early so everyone can react to your order. I was pissed because you didn't say a word and just decided it was good to order some people to attack Duil. People who were in Eidulb Outskirts heard your order but people in Sabadell didn't. By the time I arrived with the other half of the army, you were already about to hit Duil with only 9k. Who on earth attacks a region with 14k CS with only 9k? I had to order people to turn back because Duil was 2 turns away from EO. Luckily the only one who paid for your mistake was you and the rest of the army managed to turn around. After another turn later, we beat Asylon and beat them again in Walefishire.

Also, what are you trying to say about Astrum's lack of militia in several critical regions? Which critical regions? The only critical region we had to worry about was Eidulb Outskirts. I ordered the lord to increase the militia there to 10k CS but the guy never did that. Our islands were perfectly fine as we had 2k CS guarding all the regions there. Our north was wide open because it was pointless to drop militias in regions without any fortification.

The main reason why we had to attack Walefishire was because the lord of EO refused to increase his militia to 10k CS. We only had 6k back then because we asked Corsanctum to guard the region for the most of our campaigns. Some bug hit Corsanctum hard and they couldn't help us in our last two campaigns. Without their help, we had to increase our reinforcement there but the lord never did. I probably should have just ordered people to drop militia there but I never thought about that back then.

When Asylon gathered 17k CS in Walefishire, I had to make a decision. Either reduce them before they grow even larger and attack EO - Asylon's army was an infantry heavy army (with just over 1000 infantrymen. I don't recall their exact infantry CS though) or ignore them and fight Niselur. I chose the former and it would have been fine if I didn't get wounded but that happened unfortunately. By the time Astrum Kybcyell, Niselur began their attack on our northern regions and because we had to travel from Itaufield to our capital instead of Walefishire to our capital, they had enough time to burn two of our regions. They burned even more during our refit because our armies had to walk around Walefishire because we wasted our CS on looting a pointless region.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on January 18, 2014, 12:42:06 PM
This is what happens when you try to loot my lands.  8)
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Chenier on January 18, 2014, 02:17:02 PM
There's rarely any good to be had by debating past military decisions.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: trying on January 18, 2014, 07:00:17 PM
Well you wouldn't discuss future plans either.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: dustole on January 18, 2014, 08:08:01 PM
I blame Moreks banker the most.  He is quite incompetent
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on January 18, 2014, 10:28:42 PM
Yes we were discussing what we'd do once we lose. I expected either a close victory or a close defeat. Instead, we crushed Asylon because their settings were horrible.

We were in Dunnbrook because that is where I got wounded. We ran around Walefishire remember? to drag them out of the place because they had over 20k CS stationed there and we only had 19k CS during the campaign and we ended up only getting 17k CS instead of 23k because people were lagging behind. We moved to Knyazes to drag them out of the fortified region by pretending to strike deeper into their territories. They bit the bait and moved out of the fortified region and we attacked Dunnbrook with what we had. The only mistake I made there was not planning any scenario for a crushing victory which I didn't expect.

So it sounds like the problem here is you didn't make it clear to your Marshals how important you considered Walefshire to be and then you got mad when they decided to attack something else.

Uh no. It doesn't work that way. You don't just order in the middle of the day asking people to pull back. If you want people to actually respond, you order early so everyone can react to your order. I was pissed because you didn't say a word and just decided it was good to order some people to attack Duil. People who were in Eidulb Outskirts heard your order but people in Sabadell didn't. By the time I arrived with the other half of the army, you were already about to hit Duil with only 9k. Who on earth attacks a region with 14k CS with only 9k? I had to order people to turn back because Duil was 2 turns away from EO. Luckily the only one who paid for your mistake was you and the rest of the army managed to turn around. After another turn later, we beat Asylon and beat them again in Walefishire.

It most definitely was not the middle of the day because I almost always log in at the turn change. It was probably an hour in at the most.


Also, what are you trying to say about Astrum's lack of militia in several critical regions? Which critical regions? The only critical region we had to worry about was Eidulb Outskirts. I ordered the lord to increase the militia there to 10k CS but the guy never did that. Our islands were perfectly fine as we had 2k CS guarding all the regions there. Our north was wide open because it was pointless to drop militias in regions without any fortification.

When did we have 2kcs on the Island? Certainly not when the Farronites invaded it. When I took over Libbido had few militia if any.

Militia in rurals aren't useless at all. Militia dig in automatically and defenders always have an advantage due to the simple fact that armies always fail to arrive on time for an attack. I was just playing on Atamara and I saw a rural region with 9,000cs of militia. As has been pointed out we have nigh unlimited gold. We could have deployed max militia to every rural, paid off the region lords and still fielded our army. I found as little as 2,000cs in Sabadell completely stopped Niselur from making headway because we could always respond with a small mobile force and end up with enough to hold them off. How about Yggdrazhuul and  Yggdramir? You don't think a bottleneck like that is worth defending?

There's a reason that in Morek it's a law that every lord needs to deploy ample militia in their regions.

The main reason why we had to attack Walefishire was because the lord of EO refused to increase his militia to 10k CS. We only had 6k back then because we asked Corsanctum to guard the region for the most of our campaigns. Some bug hit Corsanctum hard and they couldn't help us in our last two campaigns. Without their help, we had to increase our reinforcement there but the lord never did. I probably should have just ordered people to drop militia there but I never thought about that back then.

In a situation like that you drop the militia anyway and tell the banker to pimp smack the whiny lord if he disbands them.

When Asylon gathered 17k CS in Walefishire, I had to make a decision. Either reduce them before they grow even larger and attack EO - Asylon's army was an infantry heavy army (with just over 1000 infantrymen. I don't recall their exact infantry CS though) or ignore them and fight Niselur. I chose the former and it would have been fine if I didn't get wounded but that happened unfortunately. By the time Astrum Kybcyell, Niselur began their attack on our northern regions and because we had to travel from Itaufield to our capital instead of Walefishire to our capital, they had enough time to burn two of our regions. They burned even more during our refit because our armies had to walk around Walefishire because we wasted our CS on looting a pointless region.

Walefshire's a pointless region too! At least Itaufield is the gateway to a VERY important region. As it stands the travel time difference is three turns. That time difference wouldn't have shortened Niselur's looting at all. Remember the looting didn't stop when our main army returned Karibash and the peasant militia drove them off while we were in Eidulb. The only thing that would have happened differently is our main army would have driven off Niselur's instead of Karibash and the peasant militia.

This is all assuming that if things had gone to plan you'd have cut razing of Walefshire short in order to respond, which up to that point had been the exact opposite of your strategy. Which by the way wouldn't have given us enough time to rogue the region.

Look don't get me wrong, the big problem here was our banker fell asleep at his desk and let Eidulb Outskirts starve, but your strategy of "we'll let them loot us if they let us loot them" didn't do us any favors either.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: D`Este on January 18, 2014, 11:01:17 PM
Frankly, his strategy worked and niselur was about to collapse and truly, you can arrange food without a banker.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Zakilevo on January 18, 2014, 11:09:46 PM
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So it sounds like the problem here is you didn't make it clear to your Marshals how important you considered Walefshire to be and then you got mad when they decided to attack something else.

I agree on that. Though I thought my marshals would have caught on to my general strategy after working under me for so long but clearly they didn't.

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When did we have 2kcs on the Island? Certainly not when the Farronites invaded it. When I took over Libbido had few militia if any.

Militia in rurals aren't useless at all. Militia dig in automatically and defenders always have an advantage due to the simple fact that armies always fail to arrive on time for an attack. I was just playing on Atamara and I saw a rural region with 9,000cs of militia. As has been pointed out we have nigh unlimited gold. We could have deployed max militia to every rural, paid off the region lords and still fielded our army. I found as little as 2,000cs in Sabadell completely stopped Niselur from making headway because we could always respond with a small mobile force and end up with enough to hold them off. How about Yggdrazhuul and  Yggdramir? You don't think a bottleneck like that is worth defending?

There's a reason that in Morek it's a law that every lord needs to deploy ample militia in their regions.

I asked lords to drop more militia and even told them we'd fully fund them. Only one or two signed up for that. Our armies were moving constantly during the first two months of the war so we didn't have much time to drop militia everywhere.

As for the island, FR hit us when we didn't have any militia in the island. We cleared them fast and dropped 2k militia there. The lord didn't want to drop more and FR didn't really get to attack the island again after their first attack so it was pointless to invest more in a well defended island.

I don't know why you would let Niselur even march as far as Sabadell but during my time we didn't have to invest too heavily on militia.

About Yggdrazhuul and  Yggdramir... why on earth would I waste time and gold on those two? Do we have enemies coming from that side? No. If I wanted to drop militia, I would have probably dropped them in Zereth and possibly Sabadell like you said and keep a small army either Sabadell or Zereth to stop Niselur.

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In a situation like that you drop the militia anyway and tell the banker to pimp smack the whiny lord if he disbands them.

You mean judge?

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Walefshire's a pointless region too! At least Itaufield is the gateway to a VERY important region. As it stands the travel time difference is three turns. That time difference wouldn't have shortened Niselur's looting at all.

Now I understand why you failed so miserably. You don't even know how to calculate how much time you need. Let me point it out to you. The difference isn't just three turns. If we attacked Walefishire, we would have been only 4 turns away from reaching our capital(since it takes 2 turns to travel from Duil to EO). But because you made people travel all the way to Itaufield through Kybcyell, it took 11 turns instead. We were in Dunnbrook and from there you made people travel Elets-Kybcyell-Itaufield-Shuberstone-Dunnbrook-Knyazes(2 turns)-Duil(2 tuns)-EO-Eidulb. It isn't a one way trip :p

7 turns is 3.5 days. That is enough time to burn a region or two to the ground with 10k CS.

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and let Eidulb Outskirts starve, but your strategy of "we'll let them loot us if they let us loot them" didn't do us any favors either.

I had my character paused at least a month before this :p If Banker didn't do his job, you guys should have removed the banker. When I was there I spoke to him multiple times and he did his job just fine. I do regret not removing Sergio though. That was my plan before the war started. Never had a chance to actually do it.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Indirik on January 19, 2014, 03:46:36 AM
I blame Moreks banker the most.
I blame Morek in general.


SA: "Crusade against Niselur!"

MoreK "Woohoo! We call Libero!"
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: BarticaBoat on January 19, 2014, 04:28:56 AM
... Remember the looting didn't stop when our main army returned Karibash and the peasant militia drove them off while we were in Eidulb. The only thing that would have happened differently is our main army would have driven off Niselur's instead of Karibash and the peasant militia...

Let history remember, 350 Astrumites nearly defeated the 900 man Niselurian army, with the help of Toren peasant militias. Toren people should rise up and destroy the north  8)

Also, they didn't leave because our tattered army decided to refit despite Karibash's calls to rise up and defend the north.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Atanamir on January 19, 2014, 10:33:57 AM
Frankly, his strategy worked and niselur was about to collapse and truly, you can arrange food without a banker.

And then came Aldarion.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: T Strike on January 19, 2014, 03:28:50 PM
And then came Aldarion.

It would have happened no matter what, if Kihalin hadn't had left.

My point is: long live Kihalin.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Indirik on January 19, 2014, 03:54:51 PM
That really was the turning point in the war for Astrum.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Daimall on January 19, 2014, 09:57:18 PM
The big turning point I felt for Niselur happened when Leopold finally stepped down and paused and got Fulco to the throne. Everything seemed to have changed for the better (for Niselur at least) after that.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 19, 2014, 10:25:36 PM
Yeah that was a huge turning point for Asylon also. If Niselur had not of recovered we would be in a different situation than we are now.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on January 20, 2014, 06:11:13 AM
I agree on that. Though I thought my marshals would have caught on to my general strategy after working under me for so long but clearly they didn't.

Apparently we caught onto some parts of your general strategy but not the parts you wanted.

I asked lords to drop more militia and even told them we'd fully fund them. Only one or two signed up for that. Our armies were moving constantly during the first two months of the war so we didn't have much time to drop militia everywhere.

Well there's your problem. Don't ask. When we needed militia in Sabadell I ordered the lord to deploy 2,000cs of militia. Same with Ammando and now Libbido.

As for the island, FR hit us when we didn't have any militia in the island. We cleared them fast and dropped 2k militia there. The lord didn't want to drop more and FR didn't really get to attack the island again after their first attack so it was pointless to invest more in a well defended island.

Evidently not that well defended because Asylon hit us there shortly after.

I don't know why you would let Niselur even march as far as Sabadell but during my time we didn't have to invest too heavily on militia.

I didn't let them, they outmaneuvered us thanks to an exploit as I've already mentioned. It was obvious they'd eventually target Sabadell once the rest of the north was wrecked. It would definitely have helped to plan ahead for that. Better yet would have been to put militia in Zereth even earlier.

Niselur deployed 5,000cs of militia in Gaston Farms after their joint attack with Asylon. Those extra troops have made invasions impossible.


About Yggdrazhuul and  Yggdramir... why on earth would I waste time and gold on those two? Do we have enemies coming from that side? No. If I wanted to drop militia, I would have probably dropped them in Zereth and possibly Sabadell like you said and keep a small army either Sabadell or Zereth to stop Niselur.

Niselur's sent troops that way multiple times including on your watch. That's three rural regions they can plow right through.

Why are you even talking about wasting gold? We had unlimited gold at the time. Rural regions on the other hand were not unlimited and they got wasted left and right.

You mean judge?

Yes

Now I understand why you failed so miserably. You don't even know how to calculate how much time you need.

If you're going to be an ass about this then we're done talking, permanently.

Let me point it out to you. The difference isn't just three turns. If we attacked Walefishire, we would have been only 4 turns away from reaching our capital(since it takes 2 turns to travel from Duil to EO). But because you made people travel all the way to Itaufield through Kybcyell, it took 11 turns instead. We were in Dunnbrook and from there you made people travel Elets-Kybcyell-Itaufield-Shuberstone-Dunnbrook-Knyazes(2 turns)-Duil(2 tuns)-EO-Eidulb. It isn't a one way trip :p

7 turns is 3.5 days. That is enough time to burn a region or two to the ground with 10k CS.


At what point are you claiming Niselur's forces first appeared? As near as I can tell you're claiming they attacked while we were in Elets and when ideally we would have been in Walefshire. I'm reasonably certain they showed up while we were in Itaufield which is why we only looted for a day. If that's the case the travel time isn't Elets-Kybcyell-Itaufield-Shuberstone-Dunnbrook-Knyazes. It's just Itaufield-shuberston-Dunbrook-Knyazes. Those are the travel times I was quoting before, how long to return from Itaufield when we see learn the enemy force has arrived.

Even if we do assume your time of departure is correct, the 3.5 days of extra looting is still wrong because it assumes the returning army is what drove off Niselur. As I've already said the relief forces weren't what drove off Niselur. They were driven out by peasant militias and Karibash. They pulled back roughly when my army arrived in Eidulb for a refit. By your counter that's about 11 turns of total looting. So lets assume we return to Eidulb in 4 turns like you've said. Lets say we manage to refit everyone and head back to EO in a single turn. It takes four turns to get from the EO to Gelene Outskirts. That's a total of 9 turns before we arrive to intervene. That cuts back their pillaging time by a single day and that's with a generous time frame for refitting.

In any case I'm not entirely convinced you wouldn't have just had us spend that extra time finishing off Walefshire. We certainly couldn't have driven it rogue in a single day. Your track record up to that point had been to destroy our target at the expense of whatever regions might be getting looted at the time.

I had my character paused at least a month before this :p If Banker didn't do his job, you guys should have removed the banker. When I was there I spoke to him multiple times and he did his job just fine.

I don't know what to tell you except that by the time I was in charge he was reduced to just lamenting how soon we'll be out of food. At any rate, that proves my point about the banker being most at fault. It's not the general's job to babysit the banker.

I did my job. I won a bunch of battles. I stopped a huge surprise attack. I sent raiding parties when I could. That whole time a third of my forces were constantly having to retake regions that had been starved rogue.

I do regret not removing Sergio though. That was my plan before the war started. Never had a chance to actually do it.

He does seem to be quiet most of the time. I was the one who ended up convincing Morek to help and I got Corsanctum back into it after they'd been away for so long. I have no idea if he ever spoke to either of them.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: sharkattack on January 20, 2014, 09:50:12 AM
Can we stop this flame war please?
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Chenier on January 20, 2014, 02:28:05 PM
Can we stop this flame war please?

Indeed. As I stated previously, there's absolutely nothing to gain by debating past military choices, it's just flame bait. Nobody ever changes their minds in these cases, it's just aggravating for everyone.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Stabbity on January 21, 2014, 07:33:25 AM
*looks at the Shrine of Seeklander and whistles innocently*

Can you guess who's next?
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Daimall on January 21, 2014, 07:51:39 AM
I guess old men still have dreams to fulfill.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: BarticaBoat on January 22, 2014, 05:45:07 AM
I guess old men still have dreams to fulfill.
those in the know are being painted such a beautiful picture... this is probably the last act of karibash's saga.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on January 24, 2014, 07:30:53 AM
*looks at the Shrine of Seeklander and whistles innocently*

Can you guess who's next?

It would have been so awesome if they'd actually managed to trap a bunch of us in the shrine. Turin, Duchess Melania, and Duke Jorge were all on the way there mostly for equipment repairs. If they'd delayed a turn they could have caught all of us inside the shrine. That would have been the coolest.

Oh wells still a pretty awesome betrayal. So pissed I'm wounded right now.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: D`Este on January 24, 2014, 10:21:59 AM
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It would have been so awesome if they'd actually managed to trap a bunch of us in the shrine. Turin, Duchess Melania, and Duke Jorge were all on the way there mostly for equipment repairs. If they'd delayed a turn they could have caught all of us inside the shrine. That would have been the coolest.

Oh wells still a pretty awesome betrayal. So pissed I'm wounded right now.

The war might be over before you recover!
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Bjarnson on January 24, 2014, 12:02:07 PM
The war might be over before you recover!

Doubt it, Astrum refuses to submit to our terms, thus the war will carry on.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on January 24, 2014, 10:28:53 PM
The war might be over before you recover!

That would suck.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on January 25, 2014, 09:44:38 AM
Phew! I'm back. What'd I miss- oh !@#$...
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: D`Este on January 27, 2014, 04:55:08 PM
Astrum wants peace, will the church allow it?!?!

stay tuned...
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Bjarnson on January 29, 2014, 06:14:51 PM
"Your people do not believe that you signed a cease fire with the evil realm, the twisted daemons of Astrum. Morale in all regions and especially among the soldiers drops sharply.
A cease fire with Astrum has been declared, and you are currently settling into an uneasy neutrality to them."
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on January 29, 2014, 07:11:07 PM
Hmm, sounds like the question is will the peasants stand for it.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Bjarnson on January 30, 2014, 03:02:31 PM
So it is official, the northern war is over, Niselur and Asylon was victorious.

I share it here as I belive it is information attainable by anyone ingame, plus I have already informed a few other regents.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: dustole on January 30, 2014, 03:59:19 PM
I don't think it is quite official yet.   I don't think the church will approve of this. 
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 30, 2014, 06:29:37 PM
We are ready to fight another thousand years if need be!
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on January 30, 2014, 11:58:13 PM
Hitler thought the same thing  :P
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on January 31, 2014, 12:02:00 AM
I don't think it is quite official yet.   I don't think the church will approve of this.

According to the charter Astrum has more then fulfilled it's responsibilities. The question is if Morek and Corsanctum keep fighting will Niselur and Asylon leave Astrum out of it.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on January 31, 2014, 12:10:24 AM
Hitler thought the same thing  :P

 8)

Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on January 31, 2014, 01:47:22 AM
According to the charter Astrum has more then fulfilled it's responsibilities. The question is if Morek and Corsanctum keep fighting will Niselur and Asylon leave Astrum out of it.

The question is whether Morek and Corsanctum will let Astrum stay out of it...
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Chenier on January 31, 2014, 02:16:20 AM
I guess a lot of people have a lot of questions. None of which I would answer OOC. :P
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Bjarnson on January 31, 2014, 07:26:11 AM
Hitler thought the same thing  :P

Lucky us that we aint Hitler then...
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Penchant on January 31, 2014, 07:46:37 AM
Lucky us that we aint Hitler then...
Well I would say its pretty evident you aren't, Hitler lost the war and Asylon obviously didn't. Sure technically you guys might be fighting Corsanctum and Morek but with the distance I find it unlikely for them to have much success attacking together as Corsanctum is quite far from Niselur and Morek is quite far from Asylon.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on February 01, 2014, 07:40:47 AM
Well I would say its pretty evident you aren't, Hitler lost the war and Asylon obviously didn't. Sure technically you guys might be fighting Corsanctum and Morek but with the distance I find it unlikely for them to have much success attacking together as Corsanctum is quite far from Niselur and Morek is quite far from Asylon.

Exactly, Hitler didn't defeat any countries and the US was right next door.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Marlboro on February 01, 2014, 07:28:45 PM
But what if, and bear with me here, Astrum is Vichy France, Niselur is Italy, D'Hara is Britain, and Barca is the US?
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Galvez on February 01, 2014, 07:59:39 PM
Then I suppose the Netherlands and Belgium are already defeated?

And does this make Luria Nova Japan, as far away ally of Asylon?

And I like to see Barca more as Russia, with Phantaria being Poland.  ;D
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: Marlboro on February 01, 2014, 08:22:12 PM
And I like to see Barca more as Russia, with Phantaria being Poland.  ;D

No no no Phantaria is Morocco, though I do like LN as Japan.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on February 02, 2014, 03:02:38 AM
Then I suppose the Netherlands and Belgium are already defeated?

Yup, Terran and Phantaria.

The Farronite Republic is totally Austria.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: OFaolain on February 02, 2014, 04:22:17 AM
But what if, and bear with me here, Astrum is Vichy France, Niselur is Italy, D'Hara is Britain, and Barca is the US?
So then Morek is Russia?  Who does that make Corsanctum, post-war Poland?
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: pcw27 on February 02, 2014, 05:13:28 AM
Corsanctum is Canada.
Title: Re: Great Dwilight War:Astrum defeats Asylon and Farronite forces.
Post by: OFaolain on February 02, 2014, 05:24:44 AM
Corsanctum is Canada.
Fair enough.  I mean, at least we get a beach. 8)