Isn't technically a Continental war? Last I check Dwilight did not encompass the whole of Battlemaster's existence.
Good point.Stop destroying the drama :) Continental War doesn't sound as good, and names are everything.
I would prefer Continental War as well. It's irrational and perhaps indefensible, but I feel WWI is disrespectful.It seems that public opinion is against me, so I will change it.
Letter from Leopold Arrakis (1 hour, 34 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (15 recipients)
Rulers of the world,
On this day, the Kingdom of Niselur rises to meet the challenge of the theocracies. The failure of any of these to acknowledge the rightful Niselurian proclamation of a monarchy and a preparation of a crusade against my Kingdom has alienated our relations to a point of war. The continuing support of the theocracies for the craven politics of the Church Elders, failure to muster courage to defy the chains of artificialities of the Charter, bullying and oppression are the charges I put forward against my enemies. From the perspective of the monarchic government of Niselur, this is a dangerous position we find ourselves in and as such we are compelled to act.
Leopold Arrakis
King of Niselur
Letter from Kale Perth (1 hour, 14 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (15 recipients)
Rulers of Dwilight,
The Grand Principality of Phantaria has suffered from the same opportunistic, lack of apolitical attitude from the Church of Sanguis Astroism. Thus, the Grand Principality sees King Leopold of Niselur acting in our interests and we have diplomatically aligned ourselves with him to reflect that.
Furthermore, we shall immediately take action against Alaster Kabrinski in Terran who has made it well known that he does not respect nor recognize the Phantaro-Theocratic Accord. He has jeopardized the peace between our realms as well as refused to recognize the benefits granted to the Grand Principality under the said Accord. Thus, we shall now refuse to recognize the benefits granted unto Alaster Kabrinski and his Theocracy under the said Accord and shall resume the war against them.
Kale Perth
Grand Prince of Phantaria
Letter from Eviera Lanze (36 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (15 recipients)
Rulers of Dwilight,
Though I have shared some brief discussions of peace with King Veles and find him to be an honorable man, the reasons for the Morek Empire's war with the Libero Empire are too many to count.
1) Relations between our realms have soured steadily so since long before I became Grandmistress.
2) Though King Veles has been quick to resolve the many transgressions between Libero Troops in Morek Lands, the fact is that these transgressions have continued for far too long and the nobles of the Morek Empire have been demanding punishment for a great length of time.
3) Niselur has allegiance with various realms recently indicate that Niselur intends to corner off and surround the Morek Empire and her allies. War would only be a pre-emptive measure of defense on Morek's part.
4) The Libero Empire is a vassal state of Niselur. Niselur declared war on the Morek Empire and her allies, so by default, Morek's official declaration of war against the Libero Empire is at hand.
The Morek Empire will not be contained or repressed, though attempts to seek peaceful resolutions have been attempted, it seems only myself and King Veles made any honest efforts to obtain it.
I am deeply saddened that this will undoubtedly stain my relationship with the good King Veles, but it is unfortunately an inevitability at this time.
So, there are my reasons for the war, though I am sure plenty of you will find your own truth/excuses for it regardless.
Eviera Lanze
Grandmistress of Morek Empire
Letter from Alice Arundel (just in)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (15 recipients)
Rulers of Dwilight,
Luria Nova, being an ally of Niselur's, hereby declares war against the Morek Empire and her allies. Formal declarations will be issued over the next few days.
Beyond supporting our ally in the northwest, Luria is fed up with Morek's attempts to curb the former's development and prosperity in Lower Toprak. It seems more than apparent that Morek is the continent's bully, and now her victims rise up against her.
Let there be justice in the name of the stars.
For the Golden Eagle,
Alice Arundel
Queen of Luria Nova
Royal of Luria Nova
Duchess of Giask
Viscountess of Herle
How about:
Great Dwilight War I
I think it qualifies as a "world war" if the real-world World War I did. Let's be honest, that was mostly just Europe's continental war, but it got the "World" title. And "continental war" just sounds bad.
Drop the number. There is no reason to number it until there is a second one.
Exactly. I like the name, though - for OOC usage. There's no reason for our characters to assume this is a Great War just yet :)As long as King Leopold keeps posting ruler channel messages, which he usually does to keep the realm informed and active. I would prefer all game messages to be in code to prevent them from taking up pages and pages.
Also thanks for sharing the messages from the Ruler channel, as I didn't read them before. Maybe this thread could keep on providing such information? Also the newspaper format, that has largely died out on the Wiki I believe, might be an interesting take on the thing..
It is Niselur, not Nisular.
Terran: The formation of the Theocracy of Terran was one of the key incidents which lead to the war. The realm of Terran was ravaged by invasion from Aurvandil. Its capital was besieged for weeks. In response the realms of Phantaria and Saffalore became independent realms to avoid similar devastation. In the aftermath Hireshmont II Vellos attempted to save Terran's one remaining duchy by reforming it as a theocracy and begging the aid of the Astrocrasies. Though it was a hotly debated issue ultimately the Regent and Prophet of Sanguis Astroism decided to call a crusade in the defense of Terran. Although King Leopold of Niselur remained silent during the debate he renounced the crusade once it was called and claimed his realm would not participate. He would later contradict Prophet Mathurin himself by claiming the conflict was not holy. The council was outraged and began discussing punishments for Leopold's act of impiety. Leopold would ultimately claim this incident as a major motivation for his betrayal of the Northern Astroist Federation. Meanwhile hostilities between Terran and its neighbors continued to simmer. Military leaders expect a joint Phantarian and Farronite invasion in the near future.Could you reduce the size somewhat, I wanted soundbites. Terran, Luria Nova, and Barca descriptions have been added.
Are we sure D'Hara is on the Astroist side?For now I assume so, unless D'Hara gathers the neutrals into its own alliance. If any D'Harians object I will put them to netural status.
Are we sure D'Hara is on the Astroist side?
Also are Asylon and Farronite republics officially siding with Leopold. I know we were all expecting it but I hadn't seen a confirmation yet.King Leopold has been cultivating close relations with Asylon for some time. You could say that we are best friends right now.
So, lets armchair general on this Great War: These are the available numbers
Magna Saecularibus Alliance:132,791 CS/49938 gold
Niselur-20,528 CS/9701 gold
Phantaria-12,124 CS/2460 gold
Asylon-22,128 CS/9707 gold
Libero Empire-17,160 CS/4504 gold
Farronite Republic-19,149 CS/5820 gold
Luria Nova-41,702 CS/17746 gold
Bloodstar Alliance 145616 CS/49988 gold
Astrum-56,313 CS/15480 gold
Morek Empire-42,968 CS/15385 gold
D'Hara-23,757 CS/9385 gold
Corsanctum-15,980 CS/7956 gold
Terran-6,598 CS/1782 gold
So if we look at what capitals are nearest each other, we can group together potential conflicts:
Luria Stage
Luria-D'Hara-Swordfell-Fissoa-Aurvandil
The war does not seem to have two clear-cut sides, but rather, several separate theaters of war.
Must every war be the 'great' war? If BM keeps insisting on naming every war as 'great' then none can truly be judged as great. I can only count one 'great' war and that was the EC war that raged from 2004 to 2007, saw multiple realm deaths, the birth of new realms (some of which died along the way), repeated rebellions to switch sides, various intrigues, and was truly great.
Not to mention 'great' is such a bland adjective. Wars' names are best chosen in hindsight anyway, when the historians analyze them.
Must every war be the 'great' war? If BM keeps insisting on naming every war as 'great' then none can truly be judged as great. I can only count one 'great' war and that was the EC war that raged from 2004 to 2007, saw multiple realm deaths, the birth of new realms (some of which died along the way), repeated rebellions to switch sides, various intrigues, and was truly great.
Not to mention 'great' is such a bland adjective. Wars' names are best chosen in hindsight anyway, when the historians analyze them.
Must every war be the 'great' war? If BM keeps insisting on naming every war as 'great' then none can truly be judged as great. I can only count one 'great' war and that was the EC war that raged from 2004 to 2007, saw multiple realm deaths, the birth of new realms (some of which died along the way), repeated rebellions to switch sides, various intrigues, and was truly great.I agree, the name is just a place holder until stuff happens that defines this war. Plus as people can see I am bad at naming stuff.
Not to mention 'great' is such a bland adjective. Wars' names are best chosen in hindsight anyway, when the historians analyze them.
War of the Maddening Star?
Ruler channel is like the realm channel, but for rulers, as I am not a ruler, I don't know much about it.
That would be good but it's actually the Austere that's bright.
So Astrum+Morek gonna faceroll everyone up North with their 40k+ cs armies?
I dont think Astrum or Morek can muster 40kcs armies unless they figure out a way to get their militia to march with them. 20k I can see as plausible.
While there is always room for surprises, that does seem to be a very valid prediction. Especially for Morek. How Long would it take Luria Nova to march an army North? How likely is it that they will be able to strongarm their way through Swordfell (Who, btw, is placed in a most unenviable position between the two)?Swordfell is going to remain neutral, there is a referendum going on whether to help D'Hara, but apparently it is going to fail.
my first war as marshal and it has to be this war... I am !@#$ scared :'(Corsanctum, don't worry your realm is low on the target list. You do have the hardest job mobilizing that nation.
...Priests could become -brutal- in this war. Lots of realms following a single religion, lots of realms at war, RTOs...
"War of Leopoldian Arrogance"
...Priests could become -brutal- in this war. Lots of realms following a single religion, lots of realms at war, RTOs...RTOs can only be performed by elders IIRC. :)
RTOs can only be performed by elders IIRC. :)
errr.... really?I believe so. Either that, or full members, but guess who decides the ranks ::)
Heh, yeah, not likely. Pretty sure the priesthood is going to be pushing hard for surrender at the first opportunity.
I believe so. Either that, or full members, but guess who decides the ranks ::)
Yeah Khari likes to be cryptic.
Asylon's war declaration simplified, "So you guys are having this big war? Well we are going for a land grab. O yeah and to help our allies out to be honorable, that too."
Name suggestions:
"The Lame War"
"The Unnecessary War"
"The Carefully Engineered War"
"War of Leopoldian Arrogance"
You're like the only guy on the continent not pumped for continent-wide war!
Asylon's war declaration simplified, "So you guys are having this big war? Well we are going for a land grab. O yeah and to help our allies out to be honorable, that too."
Yes, nothing wrong with beeing honest. Astrum did take Vyanar and Wallershire from us in a previous war. I think its very fitting to use "reconquest" as a Casus bellis, since Asylon dont fight over religion.
Luria Stage
Luria-D'Hara-Swordfell-Fissoa-Aurvandil
Phantaria Stage
Phantaria-Terran-Asylon-Farronite-D'Hara-Barca-Aurvandil
Yes, nothing wrong with beeing honest. Astrum did take Vyanar and Wallershire from us in a previous war. I think its very fitting to use "reconquest" as a Casus bellis, since Asylon dont fight over religion.
Niselur:We go to war because of the corruption of the church.
Phantaria:*Angst* *Anger* *Crusade*
Farronite:The church didn't recognize us as a theocracy.
Libero:Morek's taking our lands
Morek:We want to take Libero's lands.
Luria Nova:D'Hara
D'Hara:Luria Nova
Asylon:Did someone say war?
Asylon:...
Asylon:I'm in.
Luria Nova:D'Hara
D'Hara:Luria Nova
Asylon:Did someone say war?
Asylon:...
Asylon:I'm in.
Priests can be arrested in failed RTOs as criminals... and then, executed. Sweet.They can be arrested and banned. Once they have been banned, they are no different than any other noble with a ban: Every trip to the dungeon is a possible execution.
RTOs can only be performed by elders IIRC. :)RTO can be done by any priest who is not already a lord.
RTO can be done by any priest who is not already a lord.
Only Elders can do private sermons. That maybe what you're thinking about.
They can be arrested and banned. Once they have been banned, they are no different than any other noble with a ban: Every trip to the dungeon is a possible execution.
No executions without a ban.
Niselur:We go to war because of the corruption of the church.
Phantaria:*Angst* *Anger* *Crusade*
Farronite:The church didn't recognize us as a theocracy.
Libero:Morek's taking our lands
Morek:We want to take Libero's lands.
Luria Nova:D'Hara
D'Hara:Luria Nova
Asylon:Did someone say war?
Asylon:...
Asylon:I'm in.
Yes, nothing wrong with beeing honest. Astrum did take Vyanar and Wallershire from us in a previous war. I think its very fitting to use "reconquest" as a Casus bellis, since Asylon dont fight over religion.You can be honest if you want, but it seems bad to me. Your casus bellis is basically we lost the war last time, lets go for round 2 now that it should easier instead of going for the much more valid imo and your allies like to hear, we are going to war to help our allies.
battle between Phantaria/Farronite vs Terran. Terran wins! how long can we hold out.
My suggestion:Yours is perfect, although too long to be the actual name IMO. Could be used as propaganda.
The Glorious Liberation of the Theocratic Kingdoms by The Combined Forces of The United Western Territories of Dwilight.
As English is not my first lenguage, I don't know if it fits exactly with the intention. So, I will let you know from where I stole the idea so you can fix it:
Type O Negtive - The Glorious Liberation Of The People's Technocratic Republic Of Vinnland By The Combined Forces Of The United Territories Of Europa
Letter from Cadalh Jeffrey (17 hours, 33 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (16 recipients)
That was actually quite hilarious. I believe a lot of you do not know who i am, but i was not long ago being banished by Morek because i was scheming with the current Grandmistress Eviera in the past to start a secession on her duchy. However, i was somehow betrayed by them and being sacrificed as a scape goat by Eviera when she sees the opportunity to takeover Morek after the previous Grandmaster fell ill. I would only think that poisoning the previous Grandmaster was also one of her doing.
Eviera is not a trustworthy leader for she will do whatever it takes to get what she wants. In fact, the banishment of me was done with no proof given whatsoever to the public. Nobody knows why i was banished in the first place.
I urge even the current allies of Morek to not trust her or she will backstab you at every opportunity she can find.
Cadalh Jeffrey
Knight of Balance's Retreat
Letter from Alice Arundel (17 hours, 15 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (15 recipients) and to Cadalh Jeffrey
Sir Jeffrey,
I remember your letter well, inviting me to take part in your secession. I declined, believing that Morek was a good laisser-faire friend.
Times have certainly changed. Rest assured, your words do not fall on deaf ears: not this time.
Yours,
Alice Arundel
Queen of Luria Nova
Letter from Eviera Lanze (16 hours, 20 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (15 recipients)
Rulers of Dwilight,
Cadalh Jeffrey was discovered to be intending to start a rebellion in the Morek Empire, and since he foolishly contacted me thinking I would rebel my duchy for his foolish objectives, it was decided that I would pretend to befriend him in the hopes of finding more of his traitorous ilk.
I am not surprised to see Queen Alice as part of his entourage. A fitting place for the queen, I might say.
I wish I could say I was surprised to see the Lurian Queen's intent to quickly jump on the opportunity to gain some land for her empire. It was made clear to me before I even became established as Grandmistress that the Lurians would stop at nothing to have war with anyone they could find who was weaker then they are. At that time it was D'hara. My attempt to step in and help broker a peace was fruitless, I knew this to be true, but I tried anyway, and the Queen showed her true colors - again, none to my surprise. This is perfectly obvious giving the context of her declaration of war on the Morek Empire now that its back is seemingly turned to the poison laden dagger that is Luria Nova. I am honestly surprised it took this long for the Queen to reveal her true intent to the world.
The Morek Empire and myself welcome this opportunity to act as the sword arm of justice so that we might make the Lurians pay for their sins and boundless treachery. The Morek Empire is ready for you, Queen Alice, so rather than attempting to fight with your hollow words and baseless accusations, maybe you should show your true intent with iron and steel instead?
Allow me to help you in that regard, seeing as how your diplomats are apparently too busy writing a term of surrender disguised as a treaty for your country's next unfortunate victim.
Signed,
Eviera Lanze
Grandmistress of Morek Empire
Letter from Alice Arundel (15 hours, 18 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (15 recipients)
Rulers of Dwilight,
Perhaps the world decline has a different meaning to the Grandmistress because I refused to back Sir Jeffrey's plot. Luria Nova was set on keeping friendly relations with the Morek Empire, until its dark imposing tendrils were revealed from the shadows. Without its neighbors' knowing, the Morek Empire thought it was a good idea to formulate a secret - and by secret, I mean without notifying a single Lurian - defensive pact with Luria Nova and D'Hara, in the even that one should attack the other. That, my peers, is an example of blatant political interference brought on by a realm that thought it could get away with it. Never in my life have I head of such an overt attempt to curb the powers of others - especially when said others would never be a threat to Morek.
From today onwards, Luria Nova and D'Hara will no longer be puppeteered by the Morek Empire. If the former two ever go to war, with allies and the like in tow, they will do so without the Empire's conspicuous imperialism. Grandmistress Eviera, I will happily oblige your invitation and destroy your realm. Know, however, that Luria Nova seeks no territories from the Morek Empire or her allies. We only seek justice, for Niselur, for the Libero Empire, for Luria, and for those unfortunate enough to suffer your imperialism.
For the Golden Eagle,
Alice Arundel
Queen of Luria Nova
Letter from Eviera Lanze (15 hours, 10 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (15 recipients)
Queen Alice,
After this letter, I am done wasting words on you as you clearly only have words to offer and words to back up your as of yet, idle threats.
This so called 'defensive pact' you speak of and claim to be the reason behind your declaration of war, as was said to you at our summit in the Alley of Swords, was not a written document, signed and sealed by anyone. It was merely a gentleman's agreement that I was told your realm was aware of. So it seems you have been planning this for a far longer time than I initially thought.
You have no grounds for your war, you intend to attack the Morek Empire for 'harassing' the Libero Empire when you have done nothing but harass the D'harans for years. I have had nothing but polite words with King Leopold and like you, he has suddenly decided to resort to words - nay, lies, to try to back his ambitions.
Save your words and meet my armies on the battlefield, like you so desired during our summit.
The Morek Empire will not be quick to forget your lies, aggression, or imperialism.
Signed,
Eviera Lanze
Grandmistress of Morek Empire
Letter from Alice Arundel (14 hours, 54 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (15 recipients)
Rulers of Dwilight,
I maintain, contrary to Grandmistress Eviera's beliefs, that Luria Nova has never infringed upon D'Hara, save offer the same rhetoric and insults extended to us by D'Hara. D'Hara, on the other hand, has broken a white peace, denounced Luria Nova's right to sovereignty, trespassed through her borders without notifying Luria Nova, and just today broke the sanctity of the hearth right as it arrested Duke Malus Solari, Light of the Austere Star in the Astroist faith, after having granted him permission to preach there.
Grandmistress Eviera, you are a very prone to personal affliction. You see a peer of yours get angry the way I did at our summit, and you immediately despise said peer for it. I hope the anger you feel right now helps you understand how I once felt, and again when the Morek Empire is destroyed.
Like you said, the battlefield awaits.
For the Golden Eagle,
Alice Arundel
Queen of Luria Nova
Letter from Khari Kye (13 hours, 31 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (15 recipients)
Today the Farronite Republic takes steps to make good on our promise to support our western allies. Unfortunately in doing so a long standing alliance needed to come to an end.
We are all in this for different reasons, but the destruction of Sanguis Astroism as some claim will be the result, is not one of the Farronites objectives.
Khari Kye
Governor General of Farronite Republic
battle between Phantaria/Farronite vs Terran. Terran wins! how long can we hold out.
Orders from Constantine Meneldur (34 minutes ago)
Message sent to everyone in "Sanguis Astroism" (152 recipients)
By order of the Elders Council, I hereby excommunicate King Leopold of Niselur for the crime of attempting to dissolve the holy theocracy of Niselur and replace it with a secular monarchy, as well as bringing the Holy City of Darfix outside of theocratic rule.
The Elders view such an action as a violation of his duties as a theocratic ruler, an attack on the theocracy of Niselur itself, as well as the overthrowing of a legitimate theocratic government system. As such we find that this action violates the Charter of the Church and so warrants excommunication.
The Open Hand has been extended to Leopold in the form of an offer of re-admittance into the Elders Council with significant concessions, however this was refused and responded to with a declaration of war against the Federation of Theocracies. We are therefore left with no other choice but to resort to excommunication.
Constantine Meneldur
Baron of Desert of Silhouettes
Priest of Sanguis Astroism
Luminary of Sanguis Astroism
Letter from Mordaunt Lefanis (21 minutes ago)
Message sent to everyone in "Sanguis Astroism" (151 recipients)
Faithful,
Today is a fateful day- King Leopold of Niselur has betrayed this church, its theocracies, and all the faithful assembled in these halls.
When King Leopold rebelled against King Turin in Niselur seizing the throne in a bloody rebellion, I asked him whether he intending on staying true to the theocratic ways of Niselur- he swore an oath then to stand by the church and the faithful, preserving the same government created by King Turin, and on his word, I vouched for him to the elder council, appointing him as an Archon, representing a theocracy of the Stars.
Unfortunately, my trust in this man was misplaced. King Leopold never participated in the elder council, never once calling for charter reforms, or voicing his concerns when the matter of defending Terran was raised for the first time. When the Prophet himself gave his blessing for the crusade in Terran, this man openly defied the the will of His Holiness, naming it a criminal act, refusing to offer aid to the crusade, even though bound as he was to act in defense of the church and faithful, as a member of this church and a ruler of a theocracy of the stars. The same man later had the gall to claim that he was always against the crusade, speaking up only after it had been declared, when he refused to speak against it when he could.
Yet the church attempted to compromise, and tried to reason with King Leopold, even as he openly persecuted those who stood by His Holiness. Yet power is a dangerous drug, and it has corrupted a once noble man- He proceeded to declare Niselur his own personal fief, discarding the theocratic government, spurning the church which played a key role in the formation of Niselur, breaking his holy oath, and casting aside our oldest traditions and ways. Even after this slap in the face, the church offered Leopold the open hand, asking him to air his grievances and calling for a return to amicable terms in the relationship, and a restoration of the theocratic government.
I believe you ought to read King Leopold's response to the peaceful offer extended to him yourselves-
Letter from Leopold Arrakis (11 hours, 19 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (15 recipients)
Rulers of the world,
On this day, the Kingdom of Niselur rises to meet the challenge of the theocracies. The failure of any of these to acknowledge the rightful Niselurian proclamation of a monarchy and a preparation of a crusade against my Kingdom has alienated our relations to a point of war. The continuing support of the theocracies for the craven politics of the Church Elders, failure to muster courage to defy the chains of artificialities of the Charter, bullying and oppression are the charges I put forward against my enemies. From the perspective of the monarchic government of Niselur, this is a dangerous position we find ourselves in and as such we are compelled to act.
For the Golden Rider,
Leopold Arrakis
King of Niselur
This man is a traitor, he has betrayed this church and its theocracies, and even now tries to build a coalition to bring war to our theocracies, having usurped power in one of our realms. He is driven by nothing but his own personal ambition and lust for power, who would trample upon anything, betray any oath, and sacrifice any friend to reach his goals. Thus the elder council has decided that there is no place in these halls for such a man, and shall be excommunicated forthwith.
To the stars,
Mordaunt Lefanis
Knight of Farrowfield
Priest of Sanguis Astroism
Regent of the Faith of Sanguis Astroism
They can be arrested and banned. Once they have been banned, they are no different than any other noble with a ban: Every trip to the dungeon is a possible execution.
No executions without a ban.
You cannot simply "Arrest Priest" and then ban said priest
battle between Phantaria/Farronite vs Terran. Terran wins! how long can we hold out.
I believe that was a small minority of our army there. (If I had been there, the Phantaria/Farronite side would have had about 33% more people.
Vellos is just unhappy that the church and the Astroist Federation is being cracked open in terms of solidarity before he can realize his character's dream of seeing Sangius Astroism spread to the entirety of Dwilight.
As long as King Leopold keeps posting ruler channel messages, which he usually does to keep the realm informed and active. I would prefer all game messages to be in code to prevent them from taking up pages and pages.
Code is a horrible, horrible format to read on a mobile device.Or anywhere else, really.
This is exactly what I'm unhappy about.
I don't give a darn which side wins: Hireshmont's career will carry on quite unhindered either way, doesn't matter which flag is on the battlements. But if SA gets turned into a lame flavor-religion, Hireshmont will be done as a character, and I'll have my biggest disappointment ever in BM. I'd probably actually take a break from playing for a few weeks/months if things looked to be heading that way.
Oh and, for the record: IMHO, Asylon and Phantaria have great casi belli. Niselur's is lame. I don't really understand Luria Nova's position, other than, "Morek likes D'Hara more than us. GRRRAAAA!!!!"Oh we have great cause-we want to renew the church by scraping the charter, and because of the supposed corruption of the elders.
This is exactly what I'm unhappy about.Oh don't worry, I've helpfully set you up for the new church you are going to form.
I don't give a darn which side wins: Hireshmont's career will carry on quite unhindered either way, doesn't matter which flag is on the battlements. But if SA gets turned into a lame flavor-religion, Hireshmont will be done as a character, and I'll have my biggest disappointment ever in BM. I'd probably actually take a break from playing for a few weeks/months if things looked to be heading that way.
I'm really enjoying reading these messages, but could you post them using Quote rather than Code? Code is a horrible, horrible format to read on a mobile device.I will do quotes from now on then
You cannot simply "Arrest Priest" and then ban said priest - at least not on stable.No you cannot. I meant that when they do something illegal, such as an auto da fe or inciting peasants, they can be arrested during that process. They are therefore in prison for being a criminal, and can be banned.
Personally, Henrich has good reason since Yeux (a parent) left Morek to found Averoth, a realm devoured by the theocracies.Averoth offered themselves up on a silver platter. It would have been impolite to refuse them.
though my favourite is the grudge match between D'Hara and Luria. Those kinds of justifications represent a way of playing that is conductive for good fun, as they demonstrate an unabashed willingness for aggression amongst the participants.
Oh we have great cause-we want to renew the church by scraping the charter, and because of the supposed corruption of the elders.Except that you never tried to actually change the charter in any way. Niselur said nothing about the charter. Ever. Until one day Leopold suddenly stands up, with no warning, and screams "This crusade sucks! The charter sucks! The church sucks! WAR!!!!!" Let's face it, most of the people in your realm weren't even members of the church until after Leopold's rebellion. Lain wasn't even a member of the church until after the war was already planned, and set in motion.
That and we have built up too much momentum to stop. If we backed out, our allies may never support us again, and then the church will crush us.Which is actually a perfectly legitimate reason for going to war. All this "we want to renew the church and get a better charter" is just hokum.
When your character offered peace terms I think he underestimated the momentum behind this war, and the planning that went behind it.We knew Leopold would refuse before we even sent the offer to him. Yet the offer had to be made, regardless.
I'm getting mixed signals here. Is D'Hara declaring against the Magna Saecularibus Alliance?
Averoth offered themselves up on a silver platter. It would have been impolite to refuse them.
Except that you never tried to actually change the charter in any way. Niselur said nothing about the charter. Ever. Until one day Leopold suddenly stands up, with no warning, and screams "This crusade sucks! The charter sucks! The church sucks! WAR!!!!!" Let's face it, most of the people in your realm weren't even members of the church until after Leopold's rebellion. Lain wasn't even a member of the church until after the war was already planned, and set in motion.
If Niselur truly desired to renew the church and rework the charter, they would have actually attempted to do so by, you know, actually trying to do so before declaring war.
Which is actually a perfectly legitimate reason for going to war. All this "we want to renew the church and get a better charter" is just hokum.
We knew Leopold would refuse before we even sent the offer to him. Yet the offer had to be made, regardless.
HOnestly, the wars have not even been discussed in any of the realm channels. We are just sitting in our armchairs sipping our brandy, twirling our moustachios and muttering "Great Scott!" everytime something new happens.It probably doesn't hurt D'hara any to let Morek & LN trade blows while it finishes up its conquests out west.
*sip*
Oh don't worry, I've helpfully set you up for the new church you are going to form.I will do quotes from now on then
I don't really understand Luria Nova's position, other than, "Morek likes D'Hara more than us. GRRRAAAA!!!!"
See, this is the issue. Ya'll are destroying one of the neatest and most unique things ever in BM... and you're not going to be able to replace it. I don't think you realize how hard it is to build a religion like SA. I'm increasingly of the opinion it is actually impossible to do in a settled continent, that SA is truly just a fluke of Dwilight being a new continent.
Building a religion to comparable size as SA would require dozens of priests, tens of thousands of gold, and years of effort. And doing it while SA is available to undermine you... not likely to be possible.
See, this is the issue. Ya'll are destroying one of the neatest and most unique things ever in BM... and you're not going to be able to replace it. I don't think you realize how hard it is to build a religion like SA. I'm increasingly of the opinion it is actually impossible to do in a settled continent, that SA is truly just a fluke of Dwilight being a new continent.Well, I will agree that forming a religion is not easy, as Tiridra found out. You have to lay the groundwork. The one key piece that SA is missing is engaging all members, inside and outside of the faith.
Building a religion to comparable size as SA would require dozens of priests, tens of thousands of gold, and years of effort. And doing it while SA is available to undermine you... not likely to be possible.
Which is actually a perfectly legitimate reason for going to war. All this "we want to renew the church and get a better charter" is just hokum.It wasn't aimed at you. It was aimed at the nobles in SA on the sidelines, who still want to part of SA, but want more action. Its simple, I promise action, adventure-you promise more of the same
You really are clueless to like anything with SA, right? The BS that a religion will replace SA in no time and actually matter like SA is the dumbest thing I have heard in awhile. There are several other continents and yet it has not happened elsewhere. No one has said that SA is entitled to rule Dwilight or that BS but we have many saying it will be a shame for it to go away, while other idiots are like yes *party dance* SA is going to be gone. IC you can say whatever you want about SA but OOC I can't see someone come up with any convincing evidence that SA has not been the best thing for Dwilight in its existence.
You really are clueless to like anything with SA, right? The BS that a religion will replace SA in no time and actually matter like SA is the dumbest thing I have heard in awhile. There are several other continents and yet it has not happened elsewhere. No one has said that SA is entitled to rule Dwilight or that BS but we have many saying it will be a shame for it to go away, while other idiots are like yes *party dance* SA is going to be gone. IC you can say whatever you want about SA but OOC I can't see someone come up with any convincing evidence that SA has not been the best thing for Dwilight in its existence.
If the church loses its authority it loses its significance. CoB, Triunism, Elementalism. Those religions don't matter because they have no authority. There is no reason to have power struggles within those churches because there is nothing to struggle for.
We have a very delicate size advantage over Terran's forces where all of our Nobles have to show up to win in Saffalore and they didn't this time.
Orders from Medugnatos Stormcrow (1 hour, 17 minutes ago)
Message sent to everyone in "Sanguis Astroism" (151 recipients)
Faithful Brothers and Sisters,
War is upon us! The Church is under attack!
Therefore I call a crusade, effective immediately to defend the Church and Theocracies against this outside aggression.
We need to defend our brothers and sister who are under attack. All Faithful are asked to do whatever possible to defend Sanguis Astroism. May it by weapon or word.
The Elders understand that this is a difficult situation for some of you, especially for those Faithful believers in our way of connecting with the Divine who are living in a realm that is attacking us.
Leaving those realms is only one opportunity you have. Speak up in your realm, try to make them see reason is another one.
Whatever you decide to do, join the Crusade with word or weapon. We are fighting for the survival of the ways our Holy Prophet has laid out before us, for the survival off the Church itself.
A crusade has been called. Now let us defend ourselves for the glory of the Bloodstars!
Medugnatos Stormcrow
Royal of Corsanctum
Margrave of Well of Mimer
Priest of Sanguis Astroism
Light of the Maddening Star of Sanguis Astroism
Does SA in any way have a cross as a symbol?
Does SA in any way have a cross as a symbol?
The you should call it a Starade.
Oh, dear.
No, no they shouldn't. Nor should we similarly gut the other quarter of the English language that was directly developed based on the heavy influence of Christianity over several centuries.
Besides, "Starade" sounds like a really lame science fiction soft drink.
Not to say that Crusade is bad, but I think Holy War would still be more correct then? Or try out Jihad! Yes, next time I declare a holy war I'm announcing Jihad.
Why does it matter what the reason is? Everything in Battlemaster is just reasons to have, you know, battles. We know what the true reasoning is, but better charter stuff is a casus belli that they can gather their allies under.Indeed, we are all here to have fun wars.
...the playerbase should respect SA's inherent right to rule on Dwilight forevermore!Damn straight! ;)
The notions that SA will be destroyed simply because some of the borders might be redrawn is really a hysterical observation.
If we follow the "crus" in "crusade" back through Latin and French, the proper replacement term would be "Astrade" anyway.
In other words SA's uniqueness is inextricably tied to the hegemony of the Astrum-Morek federation.
In other words SA's uniqueness is inextricably tied to the hegemony of the Astrum-Morek federation.
Which makes it a uniqueness not worth saving TBH. Another power will rise in its place sooner or later.
Do we really want our holy wars pronounced as "ass-trades"?
Sanguis Astroism's influence over the Dwi realms need not be broken by this. In fact thats generally not whats being pushed for. Niselur nonwithstanding. No one on either side (save some in Asylon) have a problem with SA, they have a problem with a number of the Elders, and as much as indivduals on the forum want to cry out how no one has tried to change the charter, they're not grasping the problem. Because they're the problem.
Luria sounds like its just along for the ride so they can destroy D'Hara without Morekian interference
That's certainly part of it, but if you look at what Alice has said about Morek's attempts at playing the patriarch to the poor benighted realms to their south, that's a very real concern and frustration. Since the founding of Dwilight, there has always been at least a shadow of Morek's power looming to the north, warning Lurians not to dare to become too powerful, or stray beyond what they find acceptable, or they'd come and punish Luria for it.
It's time to end that fear. Or die trying.
While I am sure this has not been overlooked, I'll also reiterate that Morek threatened to punish any aggressive action taken by D'Hara against Luria.
I can see this as being the position of the Farronite Republic (who I imagine want an Elders Council that will accept them as a "theocratic realm" and look out of their interests as though they were a theocracy) but who else really wants this?
Luria sounds like its just along for the ride so they can destroy D'Hara without Morekian interference, and Niselur seems to be against "ecclesiastical tyranny" over "soverign rulers"- pretty much the reduction of SA to a compliant flavor religion. In fact a mere glance at the recent string of messages in the SA channel seems to indicate that at least among the more vocal of the secularists, from Libero to Niselur to D'Hara, the main theme is that the Elders should "stick to spiritual matters" and stay out of the affairs of realms.
Uhm... the Farronite Republic doesn't want that anymore. We're just bitter about almost getting a crusade called on us for being a Republic. That's all.
While I am sure this has not been overlooked, I'll also reiterate that Morek threatened to punish any aggressive action taken by D'Hara against Luria.
Right up until the recent negotiations where Morek's Grandmistress refused to sign a treaty obligating them to war against D'hara for failing to meet the obligations of said treaty, but they were perfectly willing to stop Luria from seeking compensation for D'hara's failure to hand over the West Marches in a timely fashion. Morek lost all claims to neutrality there.
That's certainly part of it, but if you look at what Alice has said about Morek's attempts at playing the patriarch to the poor benighted realms to their south, that's a very real concern and frustration. Since the founding of Dwilight, there has always been at least a shadow of Morek's power looming to the north, warning Lurians not to dare to become too powerful, or stray beyond what they find acceptable, or they'd come and punish Luria for it.
It's time to end that fear. Or die trying.
tried to involve everyone IC as much as I could
Unless I am significantly misunderstanding, that is not what is being said here.
The fear is not that SA will be destroyed, but rather that it will lose its hegemony and its power over the doings of realms—which will destroy what makes it unique and special in BattleMaster, and reduce it to being just another flavour-of-the-month also-ran religion, like nearly every other religion in the whole game.
Because the obligations of said treaty were laughably absurd and convinced everyone who saw it that Luria hadn't the slightest interest in a peaceful coexistence with D'Hara. It essentially said "Force D'Hara to pay up for allowing us to take regions which had the audacity to surrender to them when we wanted them instead and make war on them if they fail." If that had been reversed with D'hara seeking reparations instead, it never would have flown either. That antic insulted both the Prime Minister and the Grand Mistress by wasting their time, then Alice stormed out without bothering to actually negotiate.
I can understand starting out high to begin negotiations in a bartering sort of diplomatic style. But to leave without haggling at all indicates exactly Zero interest i the deal at hand. Alice came to the summit to keep up appearances, nothing more. In fact, I'd wager that she was gearing up for war with SOMEONE even before that point.
Rynn agreed only because he feels that helping friends is worth more than fighting enemies. Not a Lurian concept, I know ;)
Okay now that's bologna.
Leopold doesn't respond to messages half the time, and has a long track-record of silence and non-participation.
You've tried to include your realm-mates. That ain't everyone. Now I don't see any obligation to include everyone, so I don't think what you're doing is wrong. But it certainly isn't true. The whole reason we are where we are is because Leopold doesn't include others and doesn't want to include others.
Niselur and Asylon have some real stellar RPers: problem is they're people who really like to play a character who's piously and sacrifically devoted to messing up the things other players have spent years building.
It seems a Capet is making various threats to various nobles, and making the church look more the fool by the minute. D:
That's only because people keep insisting it's got anything to do with the church. But some people only read what they want to read, do they not?
Rynn agreed only because he feels that helping friends is worth more than fighting enemies. Not a Lurian concept, I know ;)
I did include those I considered important for me. Niselur's nobles, allies and friends. Even the Church knew that things were gonna happen. Pardon for not running a PR agency, but I think I have included all those that needed to be included.
Your entire problem with all of this is that you're having crazy fun with SA in its current shape and form (firm, entangled federations that form eternal peace and therefore ensure the Elders enough power to do as they please),
If you'd read my post, you would realize I wasn't criticizing you. I don't see that players have any obligation to include everyone. Having secret plots and exclusive plans is normal and fine. I was just pointing out that Leopold was not bending over backwards to include people.
Ha. Hahahahaha. Not quite. That's a surprisingly common perception, though. Ask yourself: before Kale, who was the last ruler to start a war with a theocracy?
Ha. Hahahahaha. Not quite. That's a surprisingly common perception, though. Ask yourself: before Kale, who was the last ruler to start a war with a theocracy?
Asylon, maybe Aurvandil depending on what you define as starting a war.
Are you people seriously not getting what Vellos is hinting at? ???
Are you people seriously not getting what Vellos is hinting at? ???
Asylon, maybe Aurvandil depending on what you define as starting a war.
No, and no.:'(
Myern.
We will not forget.
You should. The place was barely even worth the trouble of killing it, and we mostly let the monsters do that.
News
Astrum army nowhere to be seen. Poor mobilization or dire plot?
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If Astrum, is still mobilizing, and not doing something else, then it seems like the rumours of poor mobilization is worse than I thought. Astrum is in big trouble if this is not some clever plot.
NewsCan you please quit with this? Where a realm's army is, or whether or not it is mobilizing quickly is important info IG that shouldn't be said on the forums for everyone to know.
Astrum army nowhere to be seen. Poor mobilization or dire plot?
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If Astrum, is still mobilizing, and not doing something else, then it seems like the rumours of poor mobilization is worse than I thought. Astrum is in big trouble if this is not some clever plot.
Tactics haven't really come up, just that Astrum hasn't met the Niselurian force which is more current events.
Light of the Maddening Medugnatos changed class to warrior and is probably going to be elected Regent of Corsanctum...
Can you please quit with this? Where a realm's army is, or whether or not it is mobilizing quickly is important info IG that shouldn't be said on the forums for everyone to know.I didn't mention regions, and Niselurians are not really the subtle type. Astrum and others know that we are there as conducting a takeover puts a big neon light above the army in question. I haven't shared any tactical information, as where Astrum is moving and stuff like that.
The Ego Wars
Forgive me for not having read the 15 pages, but dividing this war into two sides is an incredible oversimplification. This isn't one war, this is multiple wars going on simultaneously.
Niselur, Asylon, and Farronite Republic against Astrum
Phantaria against Terran
Libero Empire and Luria Nova against Morek
D'Hara and Barca against Saffalore
Grand Duchy of Fissoa against Aurvandil
Most of these wars complement each other in some way, but many actors have interests on apparently conflicting sides of other ongoing conflicts.
The continent is at war, but it'd be inappropriate to call it a continental war, because of the plural nature of the conflicts at hand.
Anyone care to take a stab at what the root cause of this war is?More than one could be said. For instance if SA had gone to war more often, FR would be a theocracy, Libero possibly something done, Niselur gave back to Turin, etc most of the enemies would not be here. So being under eager for war/crusade could be called a root cause, its just not what you are looking for I am rather sure.
Anyone care to take a stab at what the root cause of this war is?
Anyone care to take a stab at what the root cause of this war is?
Boredom
Boredom
That's for sure.
Here's how the Farronites did their part.
We took two rogue regions from Phantaria then positioned to attack them. Asylon says they are under their protection. So we need a new target as we can't take on Asylon by ourselves. Oh there's terran in our federation that nobody wants in. lets go eat their food, see what that does then press on to Saffalore.this was the same time Alaster protested our generals actions cuz he had no idea of our plans. Then the crusade was called and buggered up all our plans.
So that about suns up how we contributed to this mess.
Niselur and Asylon have some real stellar RPers: problem is they're people who really like to play a character who's piously and sacrifically devoted to messing up the things other players have spent years building.
Stellar RPers... pff.
....are you saying Asylon and Niselur don't have some pretty good RPers?
That... is completely at odds with what is being claimed both IG and OOG. If that's what they're intending, then they are hiding their true plans quite thoroughly.
That... is completely at odds with what is being claimed both IG and OOG. If that's what they're intending, then they are hiding their true plans quite thoroughly.To be honest, I just like fun and flavour. I think Leopold would have liked few more RL months of prep time for this war, but his plans were accelerated when Sir Rannekk, tired of not getting any opponents to fight, said he didn't see any point in continuing(after a bad day at work), and almost left.
That is completely at odds with what is being claimed by those against Niselur and FR in the Church, you mean.I meant exactly what I said.
There have been no raids per se. Just one lonesome Astrumese noble moving through our northern lands but hasn't yet done any looting at all. Probably a scouter.
On another note, how is the player retention working for all? Niselur so far got only 2 new nobles, while I've noticed Astrum and Morek slightly bit more. I was hoping that the stakes of this war would attract much more players than this. Forum advertisement doesn't work, out of game forum advertisement is not much better, either. Lurking on IRC and wooing players seems like top of the game strategy these days. Any ideas how to bring in larger number of players? Without increase in the player base of Dwilight this war probably won't reach the magnitude I hoped it will.
Fissoa's been doing pretty good lately with player retention. We're up to 29 nobles now thanks to word of mouth. Lots of newbies, but most of them seem to stick around. I think we have a few old players returning to the game in Fissoa, too, from the sound of things.Yeah, post some screenies of the huge battles :D
Edit:
I should add that I don't think you'll see a big player boom until the war goes hot for you guys up north. Just the rumor of war isn't enough to sway people - they want blood.
The new nobles are likely from the South, as some faithful feel obliged to respond to the call of crusade against you. Despite what Mendicant would have had us believe, character counts rarely ever change in significant ways over a short period of time without later being found to be multies. Takes a lot of time for fun realms to attract new nobles, lest you absorb existing realms.Yeah thats not true. Now quit trying to bring up Mendicant in every post of yours. Also, he knows where they are coming from considering the game tells you when they join.
There have been no raids per se. Just one lonesome Astrumese noble moving through our northern lands but hasn't yet done any looting at all. Probably a scouter.IRC is effective for getting new characters to your realm sometimes but if you really want a boost you need to step outside of BM's community because most all ready have as many characters as they care to have (or can have). Summerdale or Libero, one of the two got a large player increase due to some recruiting for BM on Dwarf Fortress Forums and they said whichever realm it was was going into a war and needed nobles and such. Going to a different gaming website, although best if somewhat similar type is IMO the best way to recruit more players. If you be an !@#$%^& though while communicating or playing that game you can really hurt BM's reputation as they then see you as what to expect when joining.
On another note, how is the player retention working for all? Niselur so far got only 2 new nobles, while I've noticed Astrum and Morek slightly bit more. I was hoping that the stakes of this war would attract much more players than this. Forum advertisement doesn't work, out of game forum advertisement is not much better, either. Lurking on IRC and wooing players seems like top of the game strategy these days. Any ideas how to bring in larger number of players? Without increase in the player base of Dwilight this war probably won't reach the magnitude I hoped it will.
If someone would like to try and recruit new players I suppose the Paradox interactive forums would be a good choice.
Good idea, no doubt the Crusader Kings 2 forum is probably the best place to find people who stick to a game like this for sometime.
Yeah thats not true. Now quit trying to bring up Mendicant in every post of yours. Also, he knows where they are coming from considering the game tells you when they join.
....are you saying Asylon and Niselur don't have some pretty good RPers?
Bull!@#$ it's not true. The only exceptions are from clans recruited over from other games, most of which are legit afaik, but such events are rather rare and rarely appear to be triggered by actual IG events.Mmmm, I don't care for your conditional at all but after looking carefully at what you said I agree. I at first thought you said it never happens without them being multi's. Also, to your recent statement (the above) being recruited from another game doesn't make you clan and I would say it is highly likely to be triggered by actual IG events. A lot of people joined either Libero or Summerdale (I don't recall) because there was war there. Yes I do think one of the recruiter's realm was also the same, but they joined that realm because of the war making it not boring.
Fun realms gain players slowly, and boring realms lose them slowly. Rapid increases are abnormal.
Mmmm, I don't care for your conditional at all but after looking carefully at what you said I agree. I at first thought you said it never happens without them being multi's. Also, to your recent statement (the above) being recruited from another game doesn't make you clan and I would say it is highly likely to be triggered by actual IG events. A lot of people joined either Libero or Summerdale (I don't recall) because there was war there. Yes I do think one of the recruiter's realm was also the same, but they joined that realm because of the war making it not boring.
Gretchew changes allegiance to D'Hara, I wonder if it is a practical move, to prevent Terran from being overrun by the alliance.
Clans are not, by themselves, against the rules or bad for the game.I didn't say they were, I did say that just because a bunch of people join from a different game join because they were recruited to the game by that other games forums, doesn't make them a clan.
Its going to be a tough fight, fighting Astrum's army. I do hope Asylon is working away at the south.
Man, Kale is fed up with people trying to keep him out of the Chateau.
Chateau Saffalore is becoming like the most hotly/politically contested places in all of Dwilight.
Looting Reported (7 hours, 13 minutes ago)
message to all nobles of Niselur
Astrum forces are killing, raping and burning in Jorradith!
So much for the nobility of the crusade. My character and I personally find these actions offensive, especially when the crusade is called to protect the faithful. The people defending these actions even worse.
Nerf swords at 10 paces?
Gretchew changes allegiance to D'Hara, I wonder if it is a practical move, to prevent Terran from being overrun by the alliance.
Of course it is! Scummy politics all around. Classic move, that one. Going up to a bigger realm and begging them to absorb you if they promise to give you your positions back.
Give them their positions back? Why on earth would we care to do that...
Because you have a major war with Luria Nova coming up and having Astroist priests kicking your lords out of their regions could be bad for business?
Ooooh, I'd love to see Luria Nova use priests against a faithful realm, after declaring war on a theocracy. How very pious of them.
Besides, most of our nobles are astroists anyways, and Lurians can't claim regions from astroist lords. And both D'Hara and Morek have their own astroist priests... that could go both ways.
If it comes down to this, however, it'll finally clearly be made clear why not being able to kick priests out of a religion is a stupid mechanic.
Give them their positions back? Why on earth would we care to do that...
Give them their positions back? Why on earth would we care to do that...
Ooooh, I'd love to see Luria Nova use priests against a faithful realm, after declaring war on a theocracy. How very pious of them.
Why would the church be opposed to LN using priests to harass a realm that has not had a single person respond to a crusade, and has just annexed an entire theocracy, even as we were trying to settle changes in another? How do you think that looks, hm?
Annexing Terran is really bad optics as it was the core of the chuch's crack. The previous crusade seems even more worthless. Not to mention lands being taken by a non-theocracy, another key issue of the war.
You mean, the realm that not only refuses to abide by the crusade, but also attacks one of the theocracies? At least D'Hara doesn't go out of its way to work AGAINST the crusade, it's just busy with other stuff.
Yea, undoing the work of the previous Crusade in annexing a theocracy to a clearly non faithful realm with a Monarch who is the world's most blatant political convert is clearly being too busy. Or perhaps you are just too busy arresting and robbing senior members of the faith.
If Lurian ambassadors didn't pretend to be on priest duties when going to influence regional sympathies against D'Hara, maybe they wouldn't get arrested as much.
If Lurian ambassadors didn't pretend to be on priest duties when going to influence regional sympathies against D'Hara, maybe they wouldn't get arrested as much.
If you'd even pretended that was why Malus was arrested, this might not sound quite so stupid.
Kendal arrested Malus because of a personal grudge. It had nothing to do with purported actions against D'Hara in the present.
If you'd even pretended that was why Malus was arrested, this might not sound quite so stupid.
Kendal arrested Malus because of a personal grudge. It had nothing to do with purported actions against D'Hara in the present.
If you'd even pretended that was why Malus was arrested, this might not sound quite so stupid.
Kendal arrested Malus because of a personal grudge. It had nothing to do with purported actions against D'Hara in the present.
How everyone else views Kendal's arrest of Malus...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m9BnlIloxc
The absent minded Exarch of Corsanctum wandered into Gaston Farm by himself :-[Forgot to issue a two turn move? I had to have General Lux explain the whole concept to me.
Playing this for Niselur:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa9CvDPXYNI :)
And here is our reply ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pK9aOjTlkM
Forgot to issue a two turn move? I had to have General Lux explain the whole concept to me.
Yarr...big battle on the horizon. Church hordes are many but Niselur stands strong. :) I am sort of scared that Leopold doesn't get killed since he is a hero. This is the first time I have a fear of losing a character. Must be doing something right I guess.
+1.
Luria has had this one spinning up and ready for D'hara: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gHdWBK1724 :p
On Niselur side, mostly the new guys got wounded, but I don't think most of it were serious.
In the end only the archers from Asturm remained standing in the field, but most likely they won't be able to capitalize on this victory other then perhaps burn down some fields before having to retreat back to Asturm I think, lest they get pounced on by Niselur in perhaps a more "equal" battle.
Except for the part where Leopold got wounded? ::)
We actually have a fairly large amount of CS remaining. I was surprised to see how much. Even though we suffered almost as many casualties as Niselur, I suspect that we had fewer killed than they did; their overall numbers are way lower than ours now.
Except for the part where Leopold got wounded? ::)The Astrum archer fire was deadly. For some reason, my unit decided to target Brance Indrick, who then was crushed by King Leopold's charge.
We actually have a fairly large amount of CS remaining. I was surprised to see how much. Even though we suffered almost as many casualties as Niselur, I suspect that we had fewer killed than they did; their overall numbers are way lower than ours now.
I think Sergio had the best hit:
Cantabricus Impetus (4) score 4594 hits on Niselurian Hexplosive Company (35).
Someone just lot a damned expensive unit of SF. 59 men, 1400 CS, in a single round.
I wonder how quickly Niselur can recover from losing their entire army? That has to hurt. A lot of expensive SF and cavalry. Astrum/Corsanctum still had over 500 soldiers on the field when the battle was done.
BTW - I hate unique items. Damned near every time I get wounded in battle, I lose one. What's the point of having a unique item if every time you get in battle, you lose the stupid things?
I am also a hero and one time was left behind on a march and faced off aline against 15 Astrum nobles and their army and came out unscathed. I honestly thought that the 60+ year old would have died but I did not. So as legend goes in Asylon... I fought off the entire Astrum army alone !
Impressive battle!
This war is getting more and more interesting!
Too bad Leopold is wounded and his condition is deteriorating.It's the primitive conditions in Gaston Farms. Without access to quality medical care, how do you expect get better? It's so bad up there, even Brance's cadre of top notch healers couldn't stop his wounds from getting infected.
Or maybe it's that poison you used on your lance...
snipWell currently we've put the Lightbringer in as temporary regent. I had hoped you would be rejoining us today, but it seems like you're going to be out for a while. He must have some gold 'acquired' from the Corsanctum general, as the general probably was carrying a lot of gold, not bonds.
On the plus side, all of our nobles qualify for Lordship, and the honour gained in the battle should allow our young nobles to bring our CS up to 20k.
Gretchew has gone rogue. Excellent news for Phantaria, not so great for "D'Herran".
[I also dig the opportunity to say "go rogue" in a reasonable context]
Its more of a relief to D'Harans, really.
Are you guys not so keen on the merger/annexation/"surrender"/whatever? Is it just Pierre's plan for the most part?
Well currently we've put the Lightbringer in as temporary regent. I had hoped you would be rejoining us today, but it seems like you're going to be out for a while.Did Leopold lose the throne? If so, I hope you're not contemplating a placeholder ruler.
It's the primitive conditions in Gaston Farms. Without access to quality medical care, how do you expect get better? It's so bad up there, even Brance's cadre of top notch healers couldn't stop his wounds from getting infected.
Or maybe it's that poison you used on your lance...
Did Leopold lose the throne? If so, I hope you're not contemplating a placeholder ruler.
Are you guys not so keen on the merger/annexation/"surrender"/whatever? Is it just Pierre's plan for the most part?
You overestimate how much we value these regions.
I'm sure I do. One realm's trash is another realm's treasure, though.
Oh. Ok. Would have been a bummer for him to lose the throne in the first real battle of the war.It's more like a second-in command thing, or Marshal thing, like where a general is captured, the next in line leads till he is freed, there is no title changes or placeholders or anything, its just the council taking charge in his absence, since we need to recover from our losses and there are questions like: Where do I get my monies to replace the troops I lost? What do we do next? ect...
The way some were talking, with a "regent", it sounded like a placeholder thing. Since we currently have a placeholder magistrates case going, that wouldn't have been good.
Plus its doubtful that situation will come up as King Leopold is a hero, and a cavalry commander to boot, so he is the first to go into battle, so there is a good likelihood that he may not survive this war, as we are facing a larger army, and are unable to link up with our allies, so we have to face the brunt of Astrum's army as long as possible.
King Kas Mayhem
With the dangers of this conflict in mind, it is practical to have someone in mind if King Leopold falls, otherwise our next king may be....
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King Kas Mayhem
Oh please, please, PLEASE do this.I think if we did, the alliance would suddenly break apart, and Niselur would break into three pieces. Oh and the Zuma would attack us :)
Well, that is if Kas can get the majority to of Niselur to vote for him, if he runs for the position in the event of that happening. As I do not hear him speak much in the realm, I don't think its likely he would be able to garner the votes necessary to beat whatever challenger may appear.Heh, it was a joke, my character has already been on the receiving end of one of his crazy spurts. He did run for Banker, but no one voted for him for some reason. The Banker we have is super competent, and we have had no food problems during winter.
You guys forget that Karibash's unit of 149 men, 21% of the Astrumese infantry, left after suffering ~40 casualties determined to hunt after King Leopold.At least this war has brought a lot of nobles out of hibernation, and brought the eternal north peace to an end. King Leopold will be remembered for this at least.
It was explained in my rp that got cut off and which i didn't save. But don't worry, retreat rate is at 80% now so they'll fight to the last man.
He did run for Banker, but no one voted for him for some reason. The Banker we have is super competent, and we have had no food problems during winter.
I think Kas withdrew after awhile. After all, it is Qadan's given mandate apparently that he shall always be the Banker and a Duke of Iashalur/Niselur, even after he sided with Turin against Leopold during the revolt, lol. It will feel somewhat weird not having him as banker. :)I guess a good banker is worth the weight in gold. I haven't seen what a bad banker can do. If any other realm knew how good he is, then they would want him for themselves.
You guys forget that Karibash's unit of 149 men, 21% of the Astrumese infantry, left after suffering ~40 casualties determined to hunt after King Leopold.
It was explained in my rp that got cut off and which i didn't save. But don't worry, retreat rate is at 80% now so they'll fight to the last man.
Would dying in a duel as a hero be considered as a heroic death?No. Hero death and legendary hero death fame points only apply if you are actually killed in a battle. Death in a duel can still get you the one point Character Death fame, though.
That would actually be awesome rofl. Rulers really should be killable. Hack why not make all government positions to be killable? 8)
Because no one would ever be a banker again?
I agree – it is a good idea. I'm just saying that i probably wouldn't risk it if i were in Leopold's position!I believe his class choice speaks of his personality, the kind of political courage need to assemble this alliance and take on SA, when the status quo of peace was the north, especially when you are a Theocracy.
Cowardice forever, baby!
Arrakis-You are one clever man. I see what your next big moves after the war will be-assuming we win. 8)
Let's just hope Leopold survives long enough to effect some lasting change. If i were him, i would not be a hero at all – being the coward that i am.
There should be permadeath on Dwilight. I second that notion - but I doubt it'll ever happen. That said, I wouldn't mind realm power positions going permadeath. As for people complaining that people would stop being council members or bankers because of it... Why? It makes sense for a council member to stay behind and not go suicide charging the enemy ranks. If they want to play recklessly like that, they should be put in a position of danger. If they don't want to die, they should stay far from the front lines, or even stay back at home.
What happened with the attack on Morek? My character has been wounded since the battle in Gaston Farms. :(
Hireshmont just got assassinated in Demyansk. :P
He doesn't even have a meaningful office now; I dunno why he still keeps getting knifed.
Just a knifing? It sounded like they landed troops or something.
Huh? What do you mean?
Just a knifing? It sounded like they landed troops or something.Luria Nova landed troops in Donghai and kicked butt, and have either begun a takeover, or put the region into flames or both. If I was a betting person they intend to form a colony with the stabilizing effect of a certain priest/diplomat.
He asked about what's going on with the Lurian invasion of Morek. You responded with, "I got knifed in Demyansk."
A force of Lurians subsequently attacked Caiyun, but were defeated.
Luria vacated Donghai, leaving Morek to attack stragglers. Caiyun was merely being travelled through by a singular unit in retreat and the poor choice of travel location was quickly condemned within luria.That's a lesson for all young nobles listening in-know your holy sites.
I never liked that mechanic. It's been abused in the past.
Seems to me that in the game, we unilaterally tell people "You don't have the right to play in a specific realm/island/guild." Except when it comes to being a priest. They have the unbreakable right to play in their religion, and on their island. They can't be kicked out of a religion by any means short of execution, nor can they be deported from their island. You simply cannot get a priest out of your religion, regardless of what they do. (Unless they slip up and break some rules, resulting in Titans/Magistrates) case against them.)
I suppose hiring infiltrators to keep stabbing them is out of the question?
You can't keep doing that forever. For one thing, they become temporarily immune to that after each time. For another, eventually all your infils will get bored, or caught.
As long as the stabbings happen in friendly territory (and with SA spread out all over the place, that's easy enough), the judges can just keep releasing the infiltrator.
And it won't be too long before the hours really get impacted.
There are some sort of restrictions in place to make sure you can't keep someone perma-wounded by stabbing them repeatedly. I do not know their exact nature and character, but I suspect they would limit the effectiveness of this tactic over the long term.
I'm wondering when Jonsu is going to pony up and found a schism. I mean where else is there to go from here? She's just declared war on all but two members of the Elder council. With the way the voting is structured dismantling the elder council will take a massive concentrated effort of the full members to unseat everyone. I don't see that kind of opposition in the church and several of her biggest supporters are on the fast track to excommunication. Overthrowing the council from within doesn't seem to be in the cards however forming a new church as a refuge for everyone getting excommunicated or otherwise estranged from the church is a sure fire way for her to consolidate her supporters.
I was just thinking this as well. Considering that she has 0% chance of becoming Regent now even if the secularists install 3 supporting Consuls (which honestly is what I thought her next move would be) her only options are to either 1) rescind her claims, 2) schism, or 3) perpetually rant, rave and otherwise troll every letter from an Elder, claiming that she has "removed them from office".
Unfortunately for everyone on the full members channel I suspect she'll go with 3, though I suppose 2 is an option once she gets bored.
People can put her on ignore, which could take care of option 3.
Other than that, the Elders can't remove from her the options to stir the peasants or auto da fe. However, doesn't that make sense? If someone comes in an illiterate village dressed as a SA priest and speak of the Bloodstars in a semi-cogent fashion, the peasants will just assume she's the real thing.
Realms can order her arrest. You can arrest all priests of realms you are at war with, even if they are of your own religion. Her own realm could ban her if they were so inclined (I don't think they are, but that's valid IC play).
I agree that a mechanism to boot a priest would be nice to have. However the situation is not so hopeless right now. There are things that all sides can do, if they're willing to do it.
As long as the stabbings happen in friendly territory (and with SA spread out all over the place, that's easy enough), the judges can just keep releasing the infiltrator.
And it won't be too long before the hours really get impacted.
People can put her on ignore, which could take care of option 3.
Other than that, the Elders can't remove from her the options to stir the peasants or auto da fe. However, doesn't that make sense? If someone comes in an illiterate village dressed as a SA priest and speak of the Bloodstars in a semi-cogent fashion, the peasants will just assume she's the real thing.
Realms can order her arrest. You can arrest all priests of realms you are at war with, even if they are of your own religion. Her own realm could ban her if they were so inclined (I don't think they are, but that's valid IC play).
I agree that a mechanism to boot a priest would be nice to have. However the situation is not so hopeless right now. There are things that all sides can do, if they're willing to do it.
Only elders can claim regions, and I thought only they can auto da fe as well? And you can't auto da fe a faithful lord or knight.
However, you can't arrest her either: arresting a SA priest in a realm with lots of SA followers will cause massive region stat drops realm-wide. And you won't even get to ban the priest in question, so as soon as she is out, she can come back. I'm sure torturing Jonsu would yield plenty of goodies, however.
I was just thinking this as well. Considering that she has 0% chance of becoming Regent now even if the secularists install 3 supporting Consuls (which honestly is what I thought her next move would be) her only options are to either 1) rescind her claims, 2) schism, or 3) perpetually rant, rave and otherwise troll every letter from an Elder, claiming that she has "removed them from office".
Unfortunately for everyone on the full members channel I suspect she'll go with 3, though I suppose 2 is an option once she gets bored.
Asylon has the ugliest realm map now... 8)Putting Glaumring as lord is the finishing touch.
Tomorrow's battle will give a whole new meaning to the phrase 'cutting the head off the snake'...
We wont need as many as you think... 8)
Well, let us pray then that your troops are stronger than they look.
Apparently they were.
Not once it becomes a three-on-one. We could probably keep it up for quite a while as a 2-v-1. Adding a third realm to the mix is gonna hurt. There's not many realms that could hold off three realms of such combined size.
Not once it becomes a three-on-one. We could probably keep it up for quite a while as a 2-v-1. Adding a third realm to the mix is gonna hurt. There's not many realms that could hold off three realms of such combined size.
Not once it becomes a three-on-one. We could probably keep it up for quite a while as a 2-v-1. Adding a third realm to the mix is gonna hurt. There's not many realms that could hold off three realms of such combined size.
Not once it becomes a three-on-one. We could probably keep it up for quite a while as a 2-v-1. Adding a third realm to the mix is gonna hurt. There's not many realms that could hold off three realms of such combined size.The whole Terran/D'Hara merger hurt Astrum, and caused a lot of political damage within the church. Had Terran stood their ground, Astrum would have stood a better chance of winning. Terran's job was to hold out as long as possible, and they gave up.
The whole Terran/D'Hara merger hurt Astrum, and caused a lot of political damage within the church. Had Terran stood their ground, Astrum would have stood a better chance of winning. Terran's job was to hold out as long as possible, and they gave up.
In Niselur, our job was to face the Astrum and Corsanctum army as long as possible to allow our allies down south to do their work. We had hoped we might win against Astrum, but as it turned out, Astrum won, but that was not our main objective. The looting in Niselur helped stabilize our control situation as we were facing massive protests, and was close to Darfix going rogue, when your raiders went across the realm looting and causing the peasants to hate Astrum and Corsanctum, and stopping the protests. We held on long enough to allow Asylon to complete their risky objective of doing two straight takeovers without a refit.
This was the first time that Asylon and Niselur worked together, so we had to trust in our allies abilities. Our trust it seems was rewarded. Asylon is the stronger of the two realms, but Astrum couldn't resist trying to take out King Leopold, and in doing so ignored the fact that Asylon is more experienced in warfare, and knew what need to be done to weaken Astrum.
If this condition persist where only Corsanctum can help Astrum, they will eventually be destroyed simply because each time they engage one of their enemies, one or two of their regions will fall to the other realms' armies and they lack the ability to permanently damage their enemies in some fashion.
In Niselur, our job was to face the Astrum and Corsanctum army as long as possible to allow our allies down south to do their work. We had hoped we might win against Astrum, but as it turned out, Astrum won, but that was not our main objective. The looting in Niselur helped stabilize our control situation as we were facing massive protests, and was close to Darfix going rogue, when your raiders went across the realm looting and causing the peasants to hate Astrum and Corsanctum, and stopping the protests. We held on long enough to allow Asylon to complete their risky objective of doing two straight takeovers without a refit.
Guys can we keep strategy& tactics and troop movements etc private?
Libero Empire was already cut in half at Mt. Black Nastrond. The location of where they were cut in half just changed.
So long as observations made here to not endanger current strategies being made or executed, I rather like having an idea of what's going on up there.
As long as they dont endanger long term strategies either. Sometimes the observations here are too eager to ascertain the nuances of movements like a 24 hour news broadcast. Much of strategy is knowing how to move within the fog of war better than your enemy and if they are reading stuff here it will affect their knowledge.
I'm all for having the option to switch sides, but one thing I don't understand is why breaking an oath has no ramifications for the character, or why switching sides can be done so early after being sworn it, why not implement a severe prestige or honour penalty at the very least? Such things shouldn't be taken lightly.
Did they even fight a battle before the cease fire?
Did they even fight a battle before the cease fire?
Gold doesn't bother us. Trust me... we have PLENTY of that. We aren't worried about losing gold, more than likely it was hours that people were worried about.
It's true. I'm a priestess with 2500 bonds worth of gold. I wish my little infiltrator in Atamara was this rich :(
Send it to your family and your infiltrator can have it 8)
It was a gripping success in that you sent like a third of your army to deal with us. *Feels like a cool guy.*I will admit that it was a surprise.
Because sometimes switching your allegiance can be the honorable thing to do.I can probably agree with Indirik's statement that it would overcomplicate game mechanics and best for in-game enforcement, but your claim of honourable oath breaking is a different one all together. In a serious medieval setting, it can never be 'the honourable thing to do'. The reason why you broke your oath doesn't matter, such a question is irrelevant, as oath breaking is not just breaking a social taboo, a mere promise of fealty, committing perjury, or treason against your liege. An oathbreaker in medieval times was traitor to the very Gods themselves (guaranteed a seat next to Judas and Satan), causing great dishonour and consequently denoting you as the lowest of the low; an accursed, even filthy peasants could kill you with impunity.
I can probably agree with Indirik's statement that it would overcomplicate game mechanics and best for in-game enforcement, but your claim of honourable oath breaking is a different one all together. In a serious medieval setting, it can never be 'the honourable thing to do'. The reason why you broke your oath doesn't matter, such a question is irrelevant, as oath breaking is not just breaking a social taboo, a mere promise of fealty, committing perjury, or treason against your liege. An oathbreaker in medieval times was traitor to the very Gods themselves (guaranteed a seat next to Judas and Satan), causing great dishonour and consequently denoting you as the lowest of the low; an accursed, even filthy peasants could kill you with impunity.
Unless the party changing allegiance felt that their liege had broken their end of the oath. I'll also point to the countless examples of vassals rebelling, etc throughout the middle ages who weren't viewed as Judas -esque (unless they lost).Firstly, you can not break what has already been broken, true. Secondly, please do not think I am stopping you from listing those countless examples (of medieval vassals who outright broke their oaths of fealty and were still viewed as honourable).
Firstly, you can not break what has already been broken, true. Secondly, please do not think I am stopping you from listing those countless examples (of medieval vassals who outright broke their oaths of fealty and were still viewed as honourable).
Karibash has 210 men! He's like a one-man army.
He never said they were viewed as honorable just that they didn't become Judaesque pariahs.And I never said they were viewed as Judasesque, just that they're guaranteed seats next to Judas and Satan, which was a reference to 'Divine Comedy' by Dante.
In a serious medieval setting, it can never be 'the honourable thing to do'.
It would have been better if I hadn't forgotten to click the Delay Arrival link... :(
Sure it can.
Your liege fails to uphold his end of the vassal-liege agreement.
Your liege becomes a heretic or pagan.
Two quick examples.
In a serious medieval atmosphere, honor is just a word.It shouldn't be, especially in SMA.
In a serious medieval atmosphere, honor is just a word.
Shouldn't be the opposite?
In the end an oath is only as solid as as the ones enforcing it.
Karibash has 210 men! He's like a one-man army.That he is 8)
But only 1500 cs.I seriously hope you don't think that the offensive capabilities of a unit are the sole purpose for recruiting one? How about Karibash sits out the next battle and you can see what it's like to lose 50% of your infantry? ;D
Sacha's idea of SMA is that every single character should be looking for how he can betray every other character—especially the ones he owes fealty to—for his own advantage, all the time.I, for one, really dislike this Game of Thrones mentality in BM.
So, in other words, it's just like Game of Thrones.
I seriously hope you don't think that the offensive capabilities of a unit are the sole purpose for recruiting one? How about Karibash sits out the next battle and you can see what it's like to lose 50% of your infantry? ;D
Karibash has not only the numbers to preform a quicker takeover, but as well as maintaining a high CS even with casualties. If he gets half of his men killed or wounded, then he still have perhaps 800-900 CS left, which is nothing to scoff at. Basically I guess its like the concept of the Persian Immortals, one falls and another immediately takes his place (for awhile).And we have a winner! The unit is pretty high armour, so we soak up a ridiculous amount of damage. Astrumese units have always been known for hitting hard but not taking hits, I'm complementing the rest of the army. Combine a strong front line with our pretty legendary archers and there are definite reasons for having a massive unit. Also, Karibash has a massive unit.
Of course, it does come with the natural drawback of what I would imagine a hideously slow travel time, compounded by Karibash old age. Oh and if battle is not given then I wouldn't want to know the repair cost and time for that kind of unit.
Sacha's idea of SMA is that every single character should be looking for how he can betray every other character—especially the ones he owes fealty to—for his own advantage, all the time.
So, in other words, it's just like Game of Thrones.
Ah yes... That serious medieval atmosphere in A Song of Ice and Fire, where wights and dragons exist, magic abounds in the long winter and dies in the summer, where men can invade the minds of animals and other men and morph into giant, sentient trees, and The Wall is built across an ancient leyline tapped by priestesses and gods to reanimate the dead.
Yep, not too sure how Sergio's guards manage to capture him, considering his unit was pretty much decimated and scattered, but that is how it went I guess.Maybe Kas is just an incompetent infiltrator?
Maybe Kas is just an incompetent infiltrator?Until the war, he was a diplomat, until the war in which he changed classes. I don't think we were aware that he had become an infiltrator until now. I guess he thought all he needed was swordsmanship.
Until the war, he was a diplomat, until the war in which he changed classes. I don't think we were aware that he had become an infiltrator until now. I guess he thought all he needed was swordsmanship.He probably became an infiltrator because the inherent renegade jerkiness suited his personality infinitely more than a role whose main duty is to be a smooth-talking nice guy.
That crazy Kas Mayhem....
Hey look what I found,I'll try to do something after work.
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Dwilight_University/History/The_Great_Continental_War!
Frostwood, will you make a wiki page about this great dwi war, with tabs for each theater?
It seems Astrum's noble count has gone up quite nicely since the war started.
Astrum's count has gone up because all the nobles from Terran are joining the crusade, and a few others from various realms.
They say if you build it they will come. We've built it but it doesn't seem like anyone is coming.There's a reason the classical theory was abandoned :P
...while Niselur's count has pretty much remained the same. This is a big wtf for me and not what I expected.
...while Niselur's count has pretty much remained the same. This is a big wtf for me and not what I expected. For some reason Astrum is all of a sudden the most popular realm around. I wonder where all those SA/Astrum haters are...They are spread out across at least three realms: Niselur, Asylon, and FR. Possibly more in some other realms such as Phantaria. Taken altogether, you guys still severely outnumber Astrum. Not only that, but thanks to the 3-on-1 nature of the war, Astrum is actually the underdog here.
One thing I always wondered, was what is meant by "Magna Saecularibus". There are a great many possibilities given the definition of Saecularibus, and quite a few of them are very unflattering...
I don't think I've seen it being used IC ever. It is a forum thing really, and the western alliance has no realm name (even though attempts have been made to come up with one but with no success). It shouldn't be taken for granted.
Besides, no one really *hates* Astrum. We're such nice people, completely unimposing, and willing to help out everywhere.
Or, you could interpret it as a solid condemnation of the unjust nature of the war you started for personal glory and power. ;)
The expected scope of this war can never be truly reached as long as this few players want to participate in, on either side, regardless of how unbelievable it is to me that anyone would want to pick the side of Astrum in this war. It is a general community fail IMO.
They say if you build it they will come. We've built it but it doesn't seem like anyone is coming.
...while Niselur's count has pretty much remained the same. This is a big wtf for me and not what I expected. For some reason Astrum is all of a sudden the most popular realm around. I wonder where all those SA/Astrum haters are, or it simply seems that the community doesn't have any players to spare anymore. In either case, it's no good for Niselur if we can't go above 20 players and this irritates me quite a bit. They say if you build it they will come. We've built it but it doesn't seem like anyone is coming.
The locals are grateful for defeating the evil forces plaguing their region.
Even peasants know Niselur is evil! 8)
But thats how we survived, it might not be a glorious strategy but it isnt about glory, its about survival, killing and bloody slogging muddy quagmire horrors of war.
What? For the longest time you've been trumpeting that "who cares if we lose, GLORIOUS WAR!!!"
Keep the story straight, please.
Keep the story straight, please.You realize that we're talking about Glaumring here, right... Keeping it straight isn't his greatest strength :P
Whatever it is I have to admit that it is killing my buzz. This war has been triggered with the intent to revitalize the northern part of Dwilight many cheered for, but so far the players that heeded the call so to speak, have been but minor reinforcements on Astrum's side. Niselur, Asylon and FR got the amount of players that is not even worth mentioning. The expected scope of this war can never be truly reached as long as this few players want to participate in, on either side, regardless of how unbelievable it is to me that anyone would want to pick the side of Astrum in this war. It is a general community fail IMO.
Tom has said that he now views opening Dwilight as a mistake, and much as I love the island I'm inclined to agree in retrospect. It's too big relative to the size of our current player base, and the lack of characters is absolutely robbing this war (and most other possible conflicts) of its potential. With so few characters, most of the realms involved can't really expand much, which greatly limits what can be accomplished by either side.
There's a pretty simple remedy to that, allow a second character. Unfortunately Tom has declared this a non-option. Maybe it would be effective to lower the character limit on Beluterra to only one noble. It makes sense canonically since much of the continent was destroyed and thus there just isn't as much space for people.
snipWe knew this would be risk. We knew we would be facing the brunt of Astrum's armies, and that they had experienced generals. We are a relatively new realm, who lacks flavour compared to the likes of Asylon.
Feylonis, how do you like fighting on Asylons side in this war? Get your story straight you swerve all over the place. You say I cannot attract people to a cause yet... My realm is in the top 4 for nobles in Dwilight. Not saying im the reason they all joined Asylon, but I might be a reason why they have stayed so long 8)
Ahem... Sorry our realm is 3rd largest noble count... Cough cough
Also would like to remind Feylonis and anyone else who cares that Feylonis is a person who betrayed her realm to join a realm that dissolved itself to form a realm that is now in an alliance with Asylon. Basically anything that comes out of her mouth is just hilarious and to be ignored.
I also have a notable amount of influence in FR and a few more tricks up my traitorous sleeveIn SA, we call 'em heroes.
What a classic example of ad hominem.
I'm also definitely not fighting for Asylon in this war. A huge chunk of Mech Derris' gold, for example, I keep out of the war effort by placing them in SA temples. I also have a notable amount of influence in FR and a few more tricks up my traitorous sleeve, enough to ensure that FR does not completely mobilize in the war ;)
In SA, we call 'em heroes.
Phantaria takes Saffalore, it seems Phantaria is on the rise, with old players returning. Aurvandil seems to be eaten up at a surprising rate.
And the Chateau Saffalore has been all but abandoned. There is only one noble still there, I believe. And all of its militia has been disbanded. We're just going to walk in and plant the Golden Tree Banner on the Old Republic's capital building.From the numbers on the scout report, it looks like we could just send two people in and win. Obviously that's not the best course of action, but it'd be possible.
I'm curious why all the militia was disbanded. Did they just give up?
They probably weren't getting paid and/or starving.Right, forgot about upkeep costs.
Geronus' opinion came closest to my own. BM simply has no players left to spare, or Dwilight is not attractive enough. And yeah, I was not just hoping but also expecting that at least 10 nobles would join on each side of this war in the first few weeks. Obviously this was a gross miscalculation that I see now. However, BM always worked that way for such tense wars like this one is is a haven for the glory hunters which abound through BM universe. The latest example of Silnaria proves this formula still works, for due to good PR and the everlasting hatred for CE Silnaria has managed to gain impressive player reinforcements. I don't get it why Niselur didn't receive at least a tiny portion of that, for I believe the story is good and interesting and I am super sure that it has much more to offer than realms like Silnaria in both advancements and roleplay. In the end, it is quite same to me whether Niselur loses or wins, although normally I'd prefer to win. However, whichever way it goes I'd prefer it to be accompanied by much greater participation of many many more players than this.
And the Chateau Saffalore has been all but abandoned. There is only one noble still there, I believe. And all of its militia has been disbanded. We're just going to walk in and plant the Golden Tree Banner on the Old Republic's capital building.
Hey, old buddy old pal... wanna be friends again? That whole theocracy thing, heh, you know that was just, well, hey let's let bygones be bygones, shall we?
Phantaria takes Saffalore, it seems Phantaria is on the rise, with old players returning. Aurvandil seems to be eaten up at a surprising rate.
I though saffalore switch over to D'hara? ??? did D'hara hand it over to Phantaria or am I mixing up my regions?
It revolted, because 1) we didn't care for it and 2) the lord let it starve itself into rebellion. Phantaria then TOed it without any resistance whatsoever from anyone.That's not technically true - Javier from Terran was there when we first attacked, and came back right before the TO was finished. But that was the entirety of the resistance.
That's not technically true - Javier from Terran was there when we first attacked, and came back right before the TO was finished. But that was the entirety of the resistance.
Well, I meant any realm. What realm does Javier belong to anyways? His name doesn't sound familiar...He's kind of new.
It revolted, because 1) we didn't care for it
Well... you don't care for it NOW (at least publicly). Some of you D'Harans were pretty interested in it not very long ago.
Some people thought it'd make a neat addition to a colony, but nobody ever wanted it to remain in D'Hara afaik.
Some people = you Pierre and Gornak.
Some people = you Pierre and Gornak.
This whole notion that Astrum attacked a funeral is bogus. If you wanted some sort of truce or cease fire, all Niselur had to do was make the official request. You are the apostate warmongers, we are defending ourselves from your invasion.That's the way it seemed, most of us were doing grief letters and RPs. Its great through, it fuels some good IC hatred and RPs. We are going to express it in action, not words.
Hold your funeral in your capital next time and not on a battlefield. Or better yet, don't start a war with the Bloodstars in the first place and your dead hero would still be alive.
This whole notion that Astrum attacked a funeral is bogus. If you wanted some sort of truce or cease fire, all Niselur had to do was make the official request. You are the apostate warmongers, we are defending ourselves from your invasion.
Hold your funeral in your capital next time and not on a battlefield. Or better yet, don't start a war with the Bloodstars in the first place and your dead hero would still be alive.
Instead of the Red Wedding, its a Red Funeral!Well actually we defeated the Astrum 'army', since they decided to attack our army gathered for the 'funeral', two or three nobles at a time. To be honest on that day, I didn't even pay attention to the scout reports.
Such was your grief OOC as well as IC.I try to keep the IC and OOC seperate, but I was focusing on the RP, as next to Exum, he was one of first characters I did RP's with. For those interested in the battle report:
Battle in Jorradith
No. Role Army Unit Commander Realm Unit Formation CS
1 A Dead Eyes Rannekk Niselur 61 Arch line 684
2 A Frost Blades Lain Niselur 63 MI box 736
3 A Hell's Fury Zach Niselur 65 SF box 1462
4 A Spear Guard Shikon Niselur 63 Inf line 629
5 A Wanderers Brackon Niselur 41 Inf box 438
6 D Jysandr Adrian Astrum 60 SF line 1190
7 D Wrath Rowan II Astrum 58 Inf line 624
8 N Monsters (Monsters) (rogue) 0 other line 0
Total:
5 attackers (104 Inf, 63 MI, 61 Arch, 65 SF)
2 defenders (58 Inf, 60 SF)
Total combat strengths: 3949 vs. 1814
1 neutral observers (0 combat strength).
Monsters have no combat-ready men and thus stay out of the battle.
The troops from Astrum set up defenses because they control the battlefield.
The Niselur troops attack because they are at war with Astrum.
A calm wind blows, to the joy of the archers.
Shikon Kaze, Count of Bberentaur is spotted wielding the Doomed Arrow of Doom.
Zach Kenwood, Margrave of Under Darfix takes command of his army. They deploy in Infantry Charge formation.
(legend: I=Infantry, M=Mixed Inf, A=Archers, C=Cavalry, S=Special Forces, U=Undead, M=Monsters)
Turn No. 1
1 (61-A)
2 (63-M)
3 (65-S)
4 (63-I)
5 (41-I)
7 (58-I)
6 (60-S)
Frost Blades (2) fire on Wrath (7), scoring 362 hits.
Jysandr (6) fire on Hell's Fury (3), scoring 651 hits.
Dead Eyes (1) fire on Wrath (7), scoring 280 hits.
Total ranged hits suffered: Attackers: 651, Defenders: 642
Wanderers (5), Spear Guard (4) and Hell's Fury (3) advance towards the enemy.
Wrath (7) advance towards the enemy.
Close Combat (Center Line):
2 Astrum banners are visible in the melee.
1 Niselur banners are visible in the melee.
Wrath (7) score 169 hits on Hell's Fury (3).
Wrath (7) score 180 hits on Spear Guard (4).
Wrath (7) score 123 hits on Wanderers (5).
Wanderers (5) score 187 hits on Wrath (7).
Spear Guard (4) score 285 hits on Wrath (7).
Hell's Fury (3) score 929 hits on Wrath (7).
Total close combat hits suffered: Attackers: 472, Defenders: 1401
Wrath (7) take 2043 hits (1401 in close combat, 642 from archer fire), which cause 45 casualties, making the unit retreat from the battlefield.
Wanderers (5) take 123 hits in close combat, which cause 3 casualties.
Spear Guard (4) take 180 hits in close combat, which cause 4 casualties.
Hell's Fury (3) take 820 hits (169 in close combat, 651 from archer fire), which cause 15 casualties.
Zach Kenwood, Margrave of Under Darfix has been wounded by Jysandr (6).
Total hits suffered: Attackers: 1123 (472 from close combat and 651 from ranged), Defenders: 2043 (1401 from close combat and 642 from ranged)
Total casualties: 22 attackers, 45 defenders
Turn No. 2
1 (61-A)
2 (63-M)
3 (50-S)
4 (59-I)
5 (38-I)
6 (60-S)
Jysandr (6) fire on Hell's Fury (3), scoring 348 hits.
Frost Blades (2) move closer to get better shots.
Frost Blades (2) fire on Jysandr (6), scoring 169 hits.
Dead Eyes (1) move closer to get better shots.
Dead Eyes (1) fire on Jysandr (6), scoring 237 hits.
Total ranged hits suffered: Attackers: 348, Defenders: 406
Hell's Fury (3), Spear Guard (4) and Wanderers (5) advance towards the enemy.
Hell's Fury (3) take 348 hits from archer fire, which cause 6 casualties.
Jysandr (6) take 406 hits from archer fire, which cause 9 casualties.
Total hits suffered: Attackers: 348 (0 from close combat and 348 from ranged), Defenders: 406 (0 from close combat and 406 from ranged)
Total casualties: 6 attackers, 9 defenders
Turn No. 3
1 (61-A)
2 (63-M)
3 (44-S)
4 (59-I)
5 (38-I)
6 (51-S)
Frost Blades (2) fire on Jysandr (6), scoring 214 hits.
Dead Eyes (1) move closer to get better shots.
Dead Eyes (1) fire on Jysandr (6), scoring 284 hits.
Jysandr (6) fire on Hell's Fury (3), scoring 1214 hits.
Total ranged hits suffered: Attackers: 1214, Defenders: 498
Spear Guard (4), Wanderers (5) and Hell's Fury (3) advance towards the enemy.
Hell's Fury (3) take 1214 hits from archer fire, which cause 22 casualties.
Jysandr (6) take 498 hits from archer fire, which cause 11 casualties.
Total hits suffered: Attackers: 1214 (0 from close combat and 1214 from ranged), Defenders: 498 (0 from close combat and 498 from ranged)
Total casualties: 22 attackers, 11 defenders
Turn No. 4
1 (61-A)
2 (63-M)
3 (22-S)
4 (59-I)
5 (38-I)
6 (40-S)
Frost Blades (2) fire on Jysandr (6), scoring 270 hits.
Dead Eyes (1) fire on Jysandr (6), scoring 439 hits.
Jysandr (6) fire on Hell's Fury (3), scoring 603 hits.
Total ranged hits suffered: Attackers: 603, Defenders: 709
Hell's Fury (3), Spear Guard (4) and Wanderers (5) advance towards the enemy.
Close Combat (Defender Line 3):
1 Niselur banners are visible in the melee.
Hell's Fury (3) score 568 hits on Jysandr (6).
Jysandr (6) score 44 hits on Hell's Fury (3).
Jysandr (6) score 103 hits on Spear Guard (4).
Jysandr (6) score 60 hits on Wanderers (5).
Spear Guard (4) score 323 hits on Jysandr (6).
Wanderers (5) score 304 hits on Jysandr (6).
Total close combat hits suffered: Attackers: 207, Defenders: 1195
Hell's Fury (3) take 647 hits (44 in close combat, 603 from archer fire), which cause 12 casualties, making the unit retreat from the battlefield.
Zach Kenwood, Margrave of Under Darfix has been killed by Jysandr (6).
Jysandr (6) take 1904 hits (1195 in close combat, 709 from archer fire), which cause 40 casualties, wiping the unit out.
Adrian Solostus, Margrave of Aquitain has been wounded by Hell's Fury (3).
Spear Guard (4) take 103 hits in close combat, which cause 2 casualties.
Wanderers (5) take 60 hits in close combat, which cause 1 casualties.
Total hits suffered: Attackers: 810 (207 from close combat and 603 from ranged), Defenders: 1904 (1195 from close combat and 709 from ranged)
Total casualties: 15 attackers, 40 defenders
Attacker Victory!
The locals are grateful for defeating the evil forces plaguing their region.
That was the battle in which Zach was killed. I doubt he was attending his own funeral whilst still alive :P
Well now we know the truth, thanks to Frostwood not being able to read his own turn report:....
The Niselur troops attack because they are at war with Astrum.
So you admit it was propaganda that we attacked your funeral, when the truth is you attacked Astrum forces.
Saffalore and Gretchew both revolt in the same turn *sigh*Phantaria has got a long road ahead it seems.
Phantaria has got a long road ahead it seems.We bit off more than we could chew. We should have pacified Gretchew first; at first that was the plan, but the "divide and conquer" strategy just sort of materialized and everyone thought it sounded like a good idea.
Yeah that was my oversight. Thankfully a few FR patriots pointed it out to me.
Aw man, FR noticed that the peace treaty with Corsanctum was preventing them from joining in the battle.
It would have been so much funnier if that had happen during the coming battle 8)
Was really, really hoping you weren't going to notice. :PWho cares, Astrum got to slaughter more heretics this way :P
Fighting Astrum is always really difficult on so many levels but thats what makes it fun.
Why is it difficult to fight Astrum/Corsanctum?The Stars are on our side. ;D
Yet again, Astrum and Corsanctum prevail!
Also, why don't you lead Asylon, Eduardo? 8)
Why is it difficult to fight Astrum/Corsanctum? Astrum has 39 nobles, Corsanctum has 13 (total of 52). FR has 14, Asylon has 35, Niselur has 17 (total of 66). Granted, Asylon has a pretty lengthly refit line, but so does Corsanctum...The same geographic features that make Niselur easier to defend, also make it harder to link up armies with. You are looking at a 48 hour trip to get through the mountains, and you have to have the food with your army as well.
Also, why don't you lead Asylon, Eduardo? 8)
So many wounded and captured at Duil and then again at Walefishire. This is harasment.
Good thing I learned to run.
Actually mostly Astum. Corsanctum did not do much.
The Stars are on our side. ;D
Catch-22 , you win the war but kill Dwilight with boredom. ;)Anyone who is bored in this game is bored by their own choice. If you're bored where you are, either do something to make it less boring, or go somewhere else where you think it's less boring. This is especially true for realms around Astrum. No one had the balls, or the skills, to do it until Leopold showed up.
Anyway, Astrum has lost lands and Asylon has lost none so far.
Doesn't help our side that I just didn't have the time nor the will to continue governing Golden Farrow... god that is the most stressful position I've ever occupied, the food demands are insane.
Well you did lose one thing... Your army!
Anyone who is bored in this game is bored by their own choice. If you're bored where you are, either do something to make it less boring, or go somewhere else where you think it's less boring. This is especially true for realms around Astrum. No one had the balls, or the skills, to do it until Leopold showed up.
No no, you get me wrong. I'm never bored.
Yeah Gustav was like my pitbull I loved to see him bite! Hope he comes back I was looking to possibly hand over the Farronites to him.
lol, I think we'd get him out of office pretty fast.
You guys seriously overestimate your influence;In my experience, the vast majority of the players overestimate the amount of influence they have on any given situation.
Are there still plans for a colony in former Aurvandil land?A gold-farm realm was not desirable.
So I'm interested about the Northern war, or the LN-DHara war, what's the news? Who seems to be winning?
I suspect that's because Terran was destroyed and a few others moved from one realm to another.
...total victory for either side is declared.Give us a spectacle. Give us total war to the end!
Give us a spectacle. Give us total war to the end!
People called this the great war, lets make sure this war will be remembered.
No, I meant King Leopold.
What's up with D'este? is he active? he's the king of Niselur currently and i sent him a message two turns ago. no response as of yet.Love this post. Haha ;D
Yeah, Leopold, man. Not cool.What happened to him?
What happened to him?
He hasn't answered you in two turns? HE MUST BE DEAD!
Seriously, though, give the guy a chance to respond. Maybe he got drunk and skipped the turn with a bad hangover, or something.
Oh! :oYeah, he probably does.
Indirk probably has me on ignore anyways :'(
Speaking of rulers who don't respond: Sergio. Seriously. The guy really just doesn't send messages.Send something worth replying to 8)
Send something worth replying to 8)
Please dont turn this into a complain about rulers thread.
That is the wrong kind of ruler.He was joking.
That is the wrong kind of ruler.I was here thinking what rulers measure against each other ;)
He was joking.I understand. ;)
Bah!
Astrumites; such uncivilized barbarians.
Bah!Trust me, if Karibash had his way we'd be doing something BM has never seen and makes Vikings and Asylonians seem noble and refined.
Astrumites; such uncivilized barbarians.
Trust me, if Karibash had his way we'd be doing something BM has never seen and makes Vikings and Asylonians seem noble and refined.
Too many soft young nobles trying to emulate your cowardly southern ways!
Man. That Battle in Dunnbrook was pretty awesome. 16k CS vs 17k CS. 1380 men vs 1570 men. Was a close battle. Haven't had that in awhile.
The outcome was a bit surprising. Based on the numbers and the CS, I figured that Asylon would win. They had more 200 soldiers and slightly higher CS. Some problems with Asylon line settings, though, as well as a poorly timed cavalry charge really made the difference. Astrum's better troops probably helped as well.
If you all keep pulling out those narrow wins, you really may be able to hang in there until Morek arrives. I was skeptical when the war started, but LN's withdrawal and renewed military prowess by the theocracies has really made this war go a different way than I expected in the run-up to it.
I am skeptical we need Morek's help to win this war.
Of course, you could get FR out of the war and lock in territorial gains without Morek's help, if your leaders wanted to. ;)
We could lock in even more gains by just wiping everyone else out. That's what quite a few people want to do. Reset north west Dwilight.
Not many people like FR. They made a lot of poor choices.
We could lock in even more gains by just wiping everyone else out. That's what quite a few people want to do. Reset north west Dwilight.Reset? More like turn it into bloody wastelands ruled by petty warlords who are sworn to the Vasilif 8)
Reset? More like turn it into bloody wastelands ruled by petty warlords who are sworn to the Vasilif 8)
And by that I mean leave a vast majority of the north as rogue lands
Kas Mayhem was it?
Maybe we can bring back the days of massive rogues. ;)Yes please.
We could lock in even more gains by just wiping everyone else out. That's what quite a few people want to do. Reset north west Dwilight.
And people wonder why there are only so few warsMost realms are at war right now, the Maroccidens, are, ironically, at peace :P
I vote for this
Most realms are at war right now, the Maroccidens, are, ironically, at peace :P
Man, Barca sure has grown since joining it :o
All in all, it would be kinda funny to see it.
Asylon's only hope would be to find a powerful ally. There's only only player in the west that can muster that kind of power. Inviting them into the war, even if they would do it, and even if it didn't backfire, as they usually do, calling them into the war would bring a whole heapin' helpin' o' hurtin' onto Asylon. All in all, it would be kinda funny to see it.
That still definitely remains to be seen. With both Niselur and the Farronites practically begging for peace, Asylon will pretty much be on their own. Especially if Corsanctum and/or Morek ever finish with their wars. Corsanctum can make it to Asylon, and Morek can pacify the northern lands, even if Niselur doesn't roll over. An Astrum V. Asylon war would have an obvious, foregone conclusion. Astrum can easily retake their northern lands, and expand and boost their economy, while Asylon has nowhere to expand. The only thing they can do is lose land.
Asylon's only hope would be to find a powerful ally. There's only only player in the west that can muster that kind of power. Inviting them into the war, even if they would do it, and even if it didn't backfire, as they usually do, calling them into the war would bring a whole heapin' helpin' o' hurtin' onto Asylon. All in all, it would be kinda funny to see it.
Astrum has won many battles but they will not win this war. We are far from done yet.
That's a bit of an exaggeration. We only looted for a day.
You are far from done yet, this is true. Our victories against Niselur and the Farronite Republic have led to some cocky attitudes among our Astrum nobility. Asylon is still a major threat.
But while you are far from done, you are much farther from winning than you were a week ago. We look forward to you getting farther and farther as the campaign continues.
*looks to the southwest, shivers as from a cold wind of death*
We do not speak of them.
Just saying...the Zuma have started expanding. Be on the lookout for developments ingame!
Ignore them until a way is found to use them.
Someone should start a 'Friendly Zuma Neighborhood Association' guild...
We did. It's called the Veinsormoot.
Seems like Astrum is losing some regions...
In order to *keep* feeding Astrum, Morek would have to *start* feeding Astrum.
Vellos in Farron, Turin in Astrum.... One has his kingdom destroyed and the other loses his in a coup. You guys are desperate. LolI wouldn't think that this is the kind of thing to which you would want to attract attention. *cough*Thulsoma*cough*
Interestingly enough though is that Asylon tried for years to be good friends with Niselur/Iashular and were rebuffed until King Leopold took control, we eventually achieved that goal. Asylon also tried to be friends with Terran and were rebuffed and eventually they were destroyed.
Asylon also tried to be friends with Terran
It doesnt really matter does it? Terran is dead and Asylon now writes the history.
In general, only members of Asylon will pay any attention to the History they write.
And remaining 'moot realms will write the history for Terran with total disregard of whatever anyone else says.
It doesnt really matter does it? Terran is dead and Asylon now writes the history.It seems you don't understand the quote you are trying to localize to this particular situtation. "The victors write history" is a dumb thing to say IMO with relation to Battlemaster, because in real life the losers were dead or lacking power to write history. In BM, even if they are dead they can edit the wiki but considering death is only optional (deleting characters) except for hero's, they can still counter anything IG so long as they hear about it, which applied before the conflict as well thus being victor in BM has no effects on who writes history.
It seems you don't understand the quote you are trying to localize to this particular situtation. "The victors write history" is a dumb thing to say IMO with relation to Battlemaster, because in real life the losers were dead or lacking power to write history. In BM, even if they are dead they can edit the wiki but considering death is only optional (deleting characters) except for hero's, they can still counter anything IG so long as they hear about it, which applied before the conflict as well thus being victor in BM has no effects on who writes history.
Sounds about right. How long has this war gone on now barely 3 or 4 months perhaps? By the time a year rolls by then it is a war. Right now is the beginnings a few battles. The war is only just beginning.
Trivia:
The peak of Dwilight's population before this war was 2.4 million.
Population has now declined to 2.3 or 2.35 million.
Thus, the minimum civilian death toll for this war is about 50,000 (I saw minimum because some regions have probably grown).
That's not including battle deaths, which are probably some thousands more.
Not sure how that compares to Medieval European wars in scale. Anybody know?
In general, only members of Asylon will pay any attention to the History they write.
Don't forget that there is a war down south too.
It seems you don't understand the quote you are trying to localize to this particular situtation. "The victors write history" is a dumb thing to say IMO with relation to Battlemaster, because in real life the losers were dead or lacking power to write history. In BM, even if they are dead they can edit the wiki but considering death is only optional (deleting characters) except for hero's, they can still counter anything IG so long as they hear about it, which applied before the conflict as well thus being victor in BM has no effects on who writes history.
Alternate versions can exist in real life too. The American Civil War is an example.
You also misunderstand the quote. For nearly ANY history there will be some % that believe "alternate" versions. Thus when they refer to "writing history" they refer to the History as accepted by the vast majority of people.
Does that mean that some people don't believe the movie Independence Day is factually correct?
Does that mean that some people don't believe the movie Independence Day is factually correct?
Oh, how many had thought that this war would be over by now... Yet the conflict is still brewing, far from over.
Wonderful times!
Oh come on, it's almost over. ;)
We're a big pushover.
We're a big pushover.
I wouldn't go as far as winning. It would still be months before Astrum could be defeated at this rate. The niselur/asylon side did score quite a victory though.
My peasants kick ass.
Shouldn't Morek be showing up at some point?
The pot has just been stirred!
Hey give them a break, the Libero Empire was a tough nut to crack. ::)
Only Farrowfield is Friendly with Asylon, everyone else is Indifferent or worse. Time to do what I do best :)
You merged the entire !@#$in' realm of Golden Farrow, with the exception being the single city you left behind, into Asylon? In order to do this, you must have created a new duchy explicitly for the purpose of holding only the city so you could transfer *EVERYTHING ELSE*.
Does the term "realm merger" mean nothing to you?
Golden Farrow remains an independent city-state with all treaties with surrounding realms intact. I have personally seen how long single-region realms can last even with outright hostile neighbors and I am fairly certain that I can go on indefinitely since nobody is pounding on my doors with torches.
You better pray for some food.
Golden Farrow remains an independent city-state with all treaties with surrounding realms intact. I have personally seen how long single-region realms can last even with outright hostile neighbors and I am fairly certain that I can go on indefinitely since nobody is pounding on my doors with torches.Don't you think Astrum might pound on your door?
Don't you think Astrum might pound on your door?
I'm guessing Asylon-FR pulled this card to further define the war as being SA vs anti-SA. Khari has just given Mech Calen to Jonsu. :)
You are wrong.Do you happen to have the Casus Belli saved by chance?
Asylon are not waging this war to be anti-SA, we are waging this war because our hatred for Astrum as an oppressive neighbour has brought us here, also as I stated in my official Casus Belli, to retake regions Astrum took from us in the previous war.
The whole idea of a religious war is invented to get Astrum additional support....Yeah, 'cause there was NO WAY that King Leopold of Niselur declared the whole church leadership corrupt, broke with the church, declared that his realm was no longer a theocracy, and explicitly declared that the reason for his war was to replace the ENTIRE CHURCH LEADERSHIP.
The war against Astrum is not a religious war. If it was the temples of SA would have been burned ages ago. That will not happen. We do not wage religious wars, we wage wars of aggression and expansion and defensive wars.
We are a war realm.
yet it is SA that has constantly said it wants to destroy usThis is incorrect. SA has never said that. It is not now, nor has it ever been, the policy, expressed or implied, to desire the destruction of Asylon. Some in Astrum have that opinion. As the war progresses, that opinion spreads.
and rule all of Dwilight under one faith and the prophet.Guilty. Sorta. :P
This is incorrect. SA has never said that. It is not now, nor has it ever been, the policy, expressed or implied, to desire the destruction of Asylon. Some in Astrum have that opinion. As the war progresses, that opinion spreads.
Do some people in SA want to see Asylon destroyed?
Do you happen to have the Casus Belli saved by chance?
I dont think so, I will look but I highly doubt it.I believe you, I just think it would be a nice addition to the wiki.
But in that CB in the rulers channel I clearly stated that Asylon went to war to:
Retake 2 regions Astrum had taken from us.
Defend against Astrum aggression.
Stand by our allies side in this war.
The war against Astrum is not a religious war. If it was the temples of SA would have been burned ages ago. That will not happen. We do not wage religious wars, we wage wars of aggression and expansion and defensive wars.
We are a war realm.
It's official SA policy that an attack on a theocracy is an attack on the Church. On top of that you're the ally of a realm which is the direct target of a crusade. Saladin didn't destroy churches or temples either.
Game politics? What do you mean by that. We can't discuss the politics happening in game?
These are IC informations. You shouldn't state any "official SA policy" on the forum. It belongs in the game. If your character wants to reason with Glaumring's character, it should also be done in the game.
Just giving a friendly reminder. It's an escalating issue, and led to these forums being closed last time around.
In other news: odds on if Asylon will let Hireshmont stay?
It's official SA policy that an attack on a theocracy is an attack on the Church. On top of that you're the ally of a realm which is the direct target of a crusade. Saladin didn't destroy churches or temples either.
Im trying to figure out how or why a crusade would be any different or scary than what is and has been going on since the time of the Kabrinskian war. What would change if there was a crusade? Would we have to fight two Moreks? Or fight two more Corsanctums? Or two more Astrums? You guys act as if we fear a crusade as if the Astroists are even considered a threat anymore, Niselur and Asylon have torn Astrum apart, its hemoraging gold and food and peasants it was the single shining armoured knight in the crusaders pile of cards and look at Astrum, it looks like Sylvester Stallone in the Rocky movies, sure Astrum wins battles but it is not winning this war, economically and everything else Astrum is falling apart at the seams. SO, why in the name of the gods would we fear a crusade? Who would come? What would they be able to do?
No one is Asylon cares about Astroism and the power of the crusades or prophet anymore, the spell has been broken.
Im trying to figure out how or why a crusade would be any different or scary than what is and has been going on since the time of the Kabrinskian war. What would change if there was a crusade? Would we have to fight two Moreks? Or fight two more Corsanctums? Or two more Astrums? You guys act as if we fear a crusade as if the Astroists are even considered a threat anymore, Niselur and Asylon have torn Astrum apart, its hemoraging gold and food and peasants it was the single shining armoured knight in the crusaders pile of cards and look at Astrum, it looks like Sylvester Stallone in the Rocky movies, sure Astrum wins battles but it is not winning this war, economically and everything else Astrum is falling apart at the seams. SO, why in the name of the gods would we fear a crusade? Who would come? What would they be able to do?
No one is Asylon cares about Astroism and the power of the crusades or prophet anymore, the spell has been broken.
I would say they where pretty good, but Asylon are no republic or democracy. But I assume I cant tell too much about it as it would be revealing to much IC information?
Indeed, it would have worked if it was not King Grimrog that opposes you, but I am breaking a bit of a sweat, especially after you revealed the last bit of info, King Grimrog was not aware that Hireshmont II was one of the "chosen few", but I fear King Grimrog has had enough.
As a priest, is Hireshmont II safe from capture and deportation? or how does it work? I am certain I have heard someone use the Priest class to avoid capture even when banned.
As a priest, is Hireshmont II safe from capture and deportation? or how does it work?
You can't deport priests (since their religion does not exist on other continent, and you can't 'de-priest' another character). They can however be executed, but only if they have been banned previously as usual.
Anyways, it'll probably all be irrelevant. The Asylonians won't catch Hireshmont.
If there was any fairness in the game world we could track him by following the corpses and broken down couriers overladen by the weight of his constant messages, pleas, tomes, and histories.
;)
Hi, I am new to the thread... and this forum in general. Great discussion you all got going here.Welcome to the forums. :)
Hiya Glaumring! :D... Just reading the title of this thread... It looks to me like it really requires an update... Something along the lines of "Astrum nobles now resorting to eating their own peasants for sustenance".Thats what I have heard.
If you haven't been able to keep up with the repartee in the Hireshmont drama, this should bring you up to speed. Feel free to add to it:
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Homeless_Hireshmont (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Homeless_Hireshmont)
There are many here that did not think they would ever hear or say that. Yet here we are...
If you haven't been able to keep up with the repartee in the Hireshmont drama, this should bring you up to speed. Feel free to add to it:
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Homeless_Hireshmont (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Homeless_Hireshmont)
If you haven't been able to keep up with the repartee in the Hireshmont drama, this should bring you up to speed. Feel free to add to it:
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Homeless_Hireshmont (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Homeless_Hireshmont)
f you haven't been able to keep up with the repartee in the Hireshmont drama, this should bring you up to speed. Feel free to add to it: http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Homeless_Hireshmont"
If you haven't been able to keep up with the repartee in the Hireshmont drama, this should bring you up to speed. Feel free to add to it:
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Homeless_Hireshmont (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Homeless_Hireshmont)
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Looks like the end of Astrum is nigh!
Oh god the picture for Astrum made me Lol.That picture of Astrum is complete BS.
That picture of Astrum is complete BS.
We ate the last cow over a year ago. I don't think that there's anything larger than a hamster still living in the entire realm. (Hamster stew isn't very filling... )
There has been a history of rallying when everything seems lost. Can it be pulled off again? I don't give it very good odds, but there is always a chance...
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The talk between Glaumring/Graeth and Grimrog about Vellos. we basically agree on everything. was pretty funny because we basically went against Grimrog on purpose just to make his life difficult. ;D
Brought to its knees by a freedom loving alliance of iron .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QBDBToEBSE
And these guys.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58iYKU-RmU4
Breaking news! Astrum is holding a news conference! http://youtu.be/yfAeMtcURg0 (http://youtu.be/yfAeMtcURg0)
I'm having illusions of grandeur. I'm gonna turn this war around so I can loot everybodies wine cellars. Then I can throw a huge tournament in honor of myself.
;-)
I'm having illusions of grandeur. I'm gonna turn this war around so I can loot everybodies wine cellars. Then I can throw a huge tournament in honor of myself.
;-)
I'm having illusions of grandeur. I'm gonna turn this war around so I can loot everybodies wine cellars. Then I can throw a huge tournament in honor of myself.
;-)
Well there's always the slim chance Niselur will make peace with us and not Morek.
False, when Leopold withdrew from the federation he declared war on all member nations by default. Libero Empire, Niselur's vassal state then attacked Morek, so Morek has reasons to continue the war beyond helping Astrum. On top of that there's still a crusade going on.It's defensive though. I don't know where you get the delusions that it's an offensive crusade.
It's defensive though. I don't know where you get the delusions that it's an offensive crusade.
I honestly don't remember what the official declaration said this time around, but I'm pretty sure it really was against Niselur. It wouldn't make sense for the Crusade to have been made in defense of Astrum when all three members of the Astroist Federation had war declared on them and two were under attack.
The previous crusade was "in defense of Terran" and I'm reasonably sure that's what's confusing people.
Regardless, since there's no record in the SA archives of the exact terms of the crusade Turin will certainly be remembering it as a crusade against the secular government in Terran.
Well fought Astrum. I am really trying to get killed in these battles, second time wounded in a week. Glaumring is 69 years old and still as cocky as ever, yet getting old and frail. Excellent fight, you killed our general :( . Astrum is unbeatable in the field, we knew that going in and its been a challenge. More to come hopefully!
Asylon had very low morale and high equipment damage that gave Astrum and Morek edge in that attack, otherwise Asylon would have won i think.
I honestly don't remember what the official declaration said this time around, but I'm pretty sure it really was against Niselur. It wouldn't make sense for the Crusade to have been made in defense of Astrum when all three members of the Astroist Federation had war declared on them and two were under attack.
The previous crusade was "in defense of Terran" and I'm reasonably sure that's what's confusing people.
Regardless, since there's no record in the SA archives of the exact terms of the crusade Turin will certainly be remembering it as a crusade against the secular government in Niselur.
I would attribute more to some rather inspired line settings from the Morekian General... I was impressed to be honest.
Asylon had very low morale and high equipment damage that gave Astrum and Morek edge in that attack, otherwise Asylon would have won i think.
Astrum was doing perfectly fine under my command 8) Hell we were doing way too good for our own good 8)We were amazing, weren't we? Back when I could be scowling and old, without being told I'm too mean...
I would attribute more to some rather inspired line settings from the Morekian General... I was impressed to be honest.We were amazing, weren't we? Back when I could be scowling and old, without being told I'm too mean...
Well fought Astrum. I am really trying to get killed in these battles, second time wounded in a week. Glaumring is 69 years old and still as cocky as ever, yet getting old and frail. Excellent fight, you killed our general :( . Astrum is unbeatable in the field, we knew that going in and its been a challenge. More to come hopefully!
Astrum was doing perfectly fine under my command 8) Hell we were doing way too good for our own good 8)
In my defense your last campaign into Asylon let Niselur really mess up our northern rural regions. I think that's a big factor in the rampant starvation that's now destroying us.
Uh no? I told you guys (you and Abek) to attack Walefishire. What did you guys do? You guys convinced Sergio to attack Itaufield to loot. The best thing Asylon has ever done against me was to wound me in my last campaign for 3 days. That allowed you two to do whatever you want. :P
What does that matter? Niselur was still on the other side of the realm tearing up our bread basket. Even if we'd taken back Walefshire we wouldn't have been any less screwed when all the militia in Eidlub Outskirts starved to death.
Uh I never planned on retaking Walefishire. If we simply burned the walls and destroyed the region while sending most of our men back to the capital, we would have had a shorter refit. I had to pause for 5 days after the campaign and when I came back, none of you did anything :p while Niselur roamed free. I am still surprised people voted you as my successor. I even told everyone in the military council what they should do before I paused completely. I don't exactly know what happened after I paused but within 2 months, Astrum fell apart. You undid 4 months worth of work in half the time. Clap Clap Clap.
For starters, it's not like that was the first time you let Niselur ravage the northern rurals. Much of your strategy was a matter of trading blows in terms of food looted/destroyed. The problem is Niselur can take that hit a lot more easily then we can.False. We were in a far better position for a tit for tat situation, considering our larger, more cohesive army with better strategicians. Niselur is located in wide open plains, we are on the otherside of a natural choke point... holding our core lands should've been far easier than became evident.
Also if Itaufield was close enough we could scout it we were already well into Asylon's territory, which means Walefshire was well behind us, so we would have had to attack it on our way home. That would have left us just as screwed if not more so, we may have been a little closer for a refit but a siege like that would have caused heavy casualties so our refit would be longer. If we actually stayed to loot the region rogue and destroy all the fortifications we'd actually have been getting home even later. There is no way in nine hells targeting Itaufield over Walefshire was the single event that made the realm collapse like a row of dominos.False. They are two regions apart. Sacking Walefishire would deprive Asylon of its gold and fortifications. Refitting is not a problem for us, we have(had?) nearly endless gold. Not sacking Walefishire was the first of quite a few questionable decisions.
At the start I actually did try and follow the plans you laid out and they didn't work. I tried to initiate the looting campaign you devised twice. The first time Niselur dodged our army thanks to that stupid mechanic where both armies will always unite against a rogue militia in a rogue region. That let them slip past us into Sabadell which was way too important a food source too ignore. The second time Asylon moved an army north via the Cooridor of Torment. We were actually incredibly lucky because I'd been organizing a joint strike with Morek. So what would have been a disastrous defeat turned into a minor victory. After beating Asylon and Niselur we found Gaston Farms stocked with enough militia to keep us out. That pretty much put those plans to an end.Because you can't do the same thing twice, they would be expecting us. The plan was (as I recall) attack Niselur, fall back, attack Asylon, fall back, rinse, repeat. We had two defensible choke points, it shouldn't have been a problem. Niselur had a far less capacity than us to rebuild.
I actually wonder what would have happened if I'd completely scrapped that strategy, blown right past Gaston Farms and conquered Darfix like I wanted to in the first place. It definitely would have been more fun.Fun for you, you've been fixated on Darfix since Dwilight opened! The plan was always to wash around Gaston, loot Niselur's core so they starve, then deal with Asylon's weak army.
False. We were in a far better position for a tit for tat situation, considering our larger, more cohesive army with better strategicians. Niselur is located in wide open plains, we are on the otherside of a natural choke point... holding our core lands should've been far easier than became evident.
False. They are two regions apart.
Sacking Walefishire would deprive Asylon of its gold and fortifications. Refitting is not a problem for us, we have(had?) nearly endless gold. Not sacking Walefishire was the first of quite a few questionable decisions.
Because you can't do the same thing twice, they would be expecting us. The plan was (as I recall) attack Niselur, fall back, attack Asylon, fall back, rinse, repeat.
We had two defensible choke points, it shouldn't have been a problem. Niselur had a far less capacity than us to rebuild.
Niselur had a far less capacity than us to rebuild.
Fun for you, you've been fixated on Darfix since Dwilight opened!
The plan was always to wash around Gaston, loot Niselur's core so they starve, then deal with Asylon's weak army.
We should've burned Asylon a year or two ago, when I said they will strike us when we are at our weakest. But nope, we accomplished our goals in that war ::)
All in all, this has been fun for Karibash and has given him a good opportunity to find a glorious death and finally let his saga come to a close!
Additional fun facts based on statistics and intelligence gathering: Asylon produces approximately 86% of the food it requires while Niselur produces 106%. Together, they produce about 94.5% of their food requirements. Astrum alone produces 141% of its food needs. Based on military numbers, Asyloniselur requires ~100 bushels in addition, bringing their food supply to ~93.4%. Astrum's military atm requires about 22 bushels (lol), bringing their food supply to 140%... I estimate on historical data, with a renewed army we would be at ~135% supply...
Analytics, my friends ;)
You don't call that a chokepoint, I do. By blockading one region you control the movement of the enemy army. Destroy mobility, destroy effectiveness.
Hitting Itau was so unlikely... far too big a gamble imo.
Except the strategy and flow of the war was tit for tat. No one was going to score an outright victory. When one attacked north, the other attacked south. It was a war of attrition, who could grind the other into dust first... we were winning. If they spent time destroying our north, we could've destroyed Asylonian heartland... afaik, they weren't net food producers (correct me if I'm wrong?) and if they were it was perilous. They have mostly narrow coastal regions, and cities. Let them raid the north, we will ravage the south. It's almost like you don't remember monster hordes in early Dwilight!
Treaty with FR was stupid, they were utterly ineffective in the war and a complete liability for Asyloniselur. Attacking them creates a stressor on the allies to defend them. Besides, the treaty paved the way for massive funneling of gold into Asylon leading to their uncharacteristicly huge armies afterwards.
You and Abek kept on suggesting impossible plans through the war. Setting up a colony in Darfix? We sacked Darfix to see if your plan was even viable and the moment we arrived in the city our men began to lose morale. We wouldn't have been able to stay in that city more than 2-3 days. Even getting there made us lose 5k CS to damaged equipment.
We were right next to Walefishire when I got wounded.
We slaughtered Asylonians in Dunnbrook and while I was wounded, someone ordered our armies to chase after Asylonians. Before I got wounded I specifically told my marshals that our plan for the campaign was to deal with Walefishire. Why? Because without Walefishire, Asylon had no place near Astrum to gather their forces. Walefishire was a fortified island where they could gather their men without worry about us crushing them.
I literally had to order the Defenders myself cause I couldn't trust my marshals. Turin almost got half of our mobile force destroyed by himself. Luckily, someone sent me a message and I managed that what could have been a disaster.
Actually you literally didn't have to do anything because every time I lead a multi-turn attack I scout the very next turn to see if enough forces are inbound. I would have seen there weren't enough and ordered them to fall back. You didn't prevent anything and the ensuing battle was a crushing victory. For all you know if we'd waited until you felt comfortable attacking enough defenders would have shown up to force a stalemate and waste the entire campaign. I can't believe you're actually still going on about that one.
So what's your explanation for why the realm lacked militia in several critical regions?
Yes we were discussing what we'd do once we lose. I expected either a close victory or a close defeat. Instead, we crushed Asylon because their settings were horrible.
We were in Dunnbrook because that is where I got wounded. We ran around Walefishire remember? to drag them out of the place because they had over 20k CS stationed there and we only had 19k CS during the campaign and we ended up only getting 17k CS instead of 23k because people were lagging behind. We moved to Knyazes to drag them out of the fortified region by pretending to strike deeper into their territories. They bit the bait and moved out of the fortified region and we attacked Dunnbrook with what we had. The only mistake I made there was not planning any scenario for a crushing victory which I didn't expect.
Uh no. It doesn't work that way. You don't just order in the middle of the day asking people to pull back. If you want people to actually respond, you order early so everyone can react to your order. I was pissed because you didn't say a word and just decided it was good to order some people to attack Duil. People who were in Eidulb Outskirts heard your order but people in Sabadell didn't. By the time I arrived with the other half of the army, you were already about to hit Duil with only 9k. Who on earth attacks a region with 14k CS with only 9k? I had to order people to turn back because Duil was 2 turns away from EO. Luckily the only one who paid for your mistake was you and the rest of the army managed to turn around. After another turn later, we beat Asylon and beat them again in Walefishire.
Also, what are you trying to say about Astrum's lack of militia in several critical regions? Which critical regions? The only critical region we had to worry about was Eidulb Outskirts. I ordered the lord to increase the militia there to 10k CS but the guy never did that. Our islands were perfectly fine as we had 2k CS guarding all the regions there. Our north was wide open because it was pointless to drop militias in regions without any fortification.
The main reason why we had to attack Walefishire was because the lord of EO refused to increase his militia to 10k CS. We only had 6k back then because we asked Corsanctum to guard the region for the most of our campaigns. Some bug hit Corsanctum hard and they couldn't help us in our last two campaigns. Without their help, we had to increase our reinforcement there but the lord never did. I probably should have just ordered people to drop militia there but I never thought about that back then.
When Asylon gathered 17k CS in Walefishire, I had to make a decision. Either reduce them before they grow even larger and attack EO - Asylon's army was an infantry heavy army (with just over 1000 infantrymen. I don't recall their exact infantry CS though) or ignore them and fight Niselur. I chose the former and it would have been fine if I didn't get wounded but that happened unfortunately. By the time Astrum Kybcyell, Niselur began their attack on our northern regions and because we had to travel from Itaufield to our capital instead of Walefishire to our capital, they had enough time to burn two of our regions. They burned even more during our refit because our armies had to walk around Walefishire because we wasted our CS on looting a pointless region.
So it sounds like the problem here is you didn't make it clear to your Marshals how important you considered Walefshire to be and then you got mad when they decided to attack something else.
When did we have 2kcs on the Island? Certainly not when the Farronites invaded it. When I took over Libbido had few militia if any.
Militia in rurals aren't useless at all. Militia dig in automatically and defenders always have an advantage due to the simple fact that armies always fail to arrive on time for an attack. I was just playing on Atamara and I saw a rural region with 9,000cs of militia. As has been pointed out we have nigh unlimited gold. We could have deployed max militia to every rural, paid off the region lords and still fielded our army. I found as little as 2,000cs in Sabadell completely stopped Niselur from making headway because we could always respond with a small mobile force and end up with enough to hold them off. How about Yggdrazhuul and Yggdramir? You don't think a bottleneck like that is worth defending?
There's a reason that in Morek it's a law that every lord needs to deploy ample militia in their regions.
In a situation like that you drop the militia anyway and tell the banker to pimp smack the whiny lord if he disbands them.
Walefshire's a pointless region too! At least Itaufield is the gateway to a VERY important region. As it stands the travel time difference is three turns. That time difference wouldn't have shortened Niselur's looting at all.
and let Eidulb Outskirts starve, but your strategy of "we'll let them loot us if they let us loot them" didn't do us any favors either.
I blame Moreks banker the most.I blame Morek in general.
... Remember the looting didn't stop when our main army returned Karibash and the peasant militia drove them off while we were in Eidulb. The only thing that would have happened differently is our main army would have driven off Niselur's instead of Karibash and the peasant militia...
Frankly, his strategy worked and niselur was about to collapse and truly, you can arrange food without a banker.
And then came Aldarion.
I agree on that. Though I thought my marshals would have caught on to my general strategy after working under me for so long but clearly they didn't.
I asked lords to drop more militia and even told them we'd fully fund them. Only one or two signed up for that. Our armies were moving constantly during the first two months of the war so we didn't have much time to drop militia everywhere.
As for the island, FR hit us when we didn't have any militia in the island. We cleared them fast and dropped 2k militia there. The lord didn't want to drop more and FR didn't really get to attack the island again after their first attack so it was pointless to invest more in a well defended island.
I don't know why you would let Niselur even march as far as Sabadell but during my time we didn't have to invest too heavily on militia.
About Yggdrazhuul and Yggdramir... why on earth would I waste time and gold on those two? Do we have enemies coming from that side? No. If I wanted to drop militia, I would have probably dropped them in Zereth and possibly Sabadell like you said and keep a small army either Sabadell or Zereth to stop Niselur.
You mean judge?
Now I understand why you failed so miserably. You don't even know how to calculate how much time you need.
Let me point it out to you. The difference isn't just three turns. If we attacked Walefishire, we would have been only 4 turns away from reaching our capital(since it takes 2 turns to travel from Duil to EO). But because you made people travel all the way to Itaufield through Kybcyell, it took 11 turns instead. We were in Dunnbrook and from there you made people travel Elets-Kybcyell-Itaufield-Shuberstone-Dunnbrook-Knyazes(2 turns)-Duil(2 tuns)-EO-Eidulb. It isn't a one way trip :p
7 turns is 3.5 days. That is enough time to burn a region or two to the ground with 10k CS.
I had my character paused at least a month before this :p If Banker didn't do his job, you guys should have removed the banker. When I was there I spoke to him multiple times and he did his job just fine.
I do regret not removing Sergio though. That was my plan before the war started. Never had a chance to actually do it.
Can we stop this flame war please?
I guess old men still have dreams to fulfill.those in the know are being painted such a beautiful picture... this is probably the last act of karibash's saga.
*looks at the Shrine of Seeklander and whistles innocently*
Can you guess who's next?
It would have been so awesome if they'd actually managed to trap a bunch of us in the shrine. Turin, Duchess Melania, and Duke Jorge were all on the way there mostly for equipment repairs. If they'd delayed a turn they could have caught all of us inside the shrine. That would have been the coolest.
Oh wells still a pretty awesome betrayal. So pissed I'm wounded right now.
The war might be over before you recover!
The war might be over before you recover!
I don't think it is quite official yet. I don't think the church will approve of this.
Hitler thought the same thing :P
According to the charter Astrum has more then fulfilled it's responsibilities. The question is if Morek and Corsanctum keep fighting will Niselur and Asylon leave Astrum out of it.
Hitler thought the same thing :P
Lucky us that we aint Hitler then...Well I would say its pretty evident you aren't, Hitler lost the war and Asylon obviously didn't. Sure technically you guys might be fighting Corsanctum and Morek but with the distance I find it unlikely for them to have much success attacking together as Corsanctum is quite far from Niselur and Morek is quite far from Asylon.
Well I would say its pretty evident you aren't, Hitler lost the war and Asylon obviously didn't. Sure technically you guys might be fighting Corsanctum and Morek but with the distance I find it unlikely for them to have much success attacking together as Corsanctum is quite far from Niselur and Morek is quite far from Asylon.
And I like to see Barca more as Russia, with Phantaria being Poland. ;D
Then I suppose the Netherlands and Belgium are already defeated?
But what if, and bear with me here, Astrum is Vichy France, Niselur is Italy, D'Hara is Britain, and Barca is the US?So then Morek is Russia? Who does that make Corsanctum, post-war Poland?
Corsanctum is Canada.Fair enough. I mean, at least we get a beach. 8)