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Community => Background => Topic started by: Gustav Kuriga on July 22, 2013, 06:13:29 AM
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Nice to see Aurvandil has been knocked down to proper size. I was seriously tired of these ridiculously-coordinated army stacks gangbanging everything in their path. Always suspected Mendi and a few others were cheaters, I just hope they stay gone for good. They'll probably pop in again sometime but after losing all their work its unlikely they'll bother playing in the long-term.
What's Aurvandil like these days? Still the arrogant French Empire or has that unassailable attitude shifted? I always visualized Mendicant as an ultra-cocky Napoleon, stature and all. I hope there are still some good RPers in Aurvandil. While some of the racist and offensive overtones seriously pissed me off, I really enjoyed the upper-tier writing quality.
Napoleon was rather tall for his time...
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Quite tall? From what I was taught in Brazil and USA, he was very short. Comically-so.
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While I don't recall his actual height, I do recall that a lot of the basis for the Napoleon short jokes was from british propaganda during the napoleonic wars.
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Quite tall? From what I was taught in Brazil and USA, he was very short. Comically-so.
Yeah... just going to say right now that America's track record on teaching objective history to students is rather... checkered, to say the least.
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Huh. Apparently he was actually 5'7. Still shortish, but not that much.
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Huh. Apparently he was actually 5'7. Still shortish, but not that much.
That's actually only short compared to modern day Europeans, it was actually tall for the time period.
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That's tall by South-East Asian standards. I stand at a measly 5'6 myself!
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I stand at a measly 5'6 myself!
You and me both. I feel your pain.
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So does BM attract short people or what... I'm 5'6 also (tell people i am 5'7), Napoleon Complex ftw
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Both the English and French at the time of the Napoleonic War used different standards for an inch, I believe. It was something to do with that.
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Oh damn. I'm 5'11 and I'm short compared to my father. My growth effectively halted after 15 due to anemia. I know South Americans tend to be short, my mother is 5'2, but Dutch/Germans like my father seem to generally be taller. I've met some pretty tall asians, actually.
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While I don't recall his actual height, I do recall that a lot of the basis for the Napoleon short jokes was from british propaganda during the napoleonic wars.
What what I read, this is the case. Another cause was the fact that french imperial units were longer than the british ones, so just saying his height in feet, without saying it was french feet, made him sound shorter than he actually was.
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*secretly is 6'5*
I didn't know that about Napoleon yet though. Interesting. Can anyone delve deeper into the subject, or would wikipedia give me all I need?
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From Wikipedia:Napoleon's height was 5 ft 2 French inches according to Antommarchi at Napoleon's autopsy and British sources put his height at 5 foot and 7 British inches: both equivalent to 1.7 m.[188]Napoleon surrounded himself with tall bodyguards and had a nickname of le petit caporal which was an affectionate term that reflected his reported camaraderie with his soldiers rather than his height.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon#Image (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon#Image)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_depictions_of_Napoleon#Napoleon.27s_height (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_depictions_of_Napoleon#Napoleon.27s_height)
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I'm fairly sure I remember once reading that the idea of Napoleon being particularly short came from a British newspaper cartoon by a famous satirist of the era that pictured him being held in the hand of either Wellington or the British king. I can't remember the specific source of that detail, though.
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Disregarding the huge necro here:
During a recent lesson in my university by a guest professor we learned about a single regiment of the 'Chasseurs à Cheval' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chasseurs_%C3%A0_Cheval_de_la_Garde_Imp%C3%A9riale) because of a sort of diary saved by the great-great grandfather of the professor.
In any case, recruitment for Napoleon's Grande Armée was done through drawing of lots of the commonfolk. If you had bad luck you'd be recruited. There were regulations as to who was and wasn't allowed t draw lots. In order to be eligible you had to be at least 21 years and not have a brother already in the army. (and some other details I can't remember)
Then, the recruits would be tested on physical condition at a recruitment center, where they were checked for any physical deficiences that'd prohibit combat. And they were measured. Any recruit shorter than 1.53m was immediately rejected. The shortest allowed recruits would join the infantry, the tallest would be sent towards the cavalry. The great great grandfather of our guest-professor was 1.72m, relatively tall, and was as a result sent to the light cavalry. (On an unrelated sidenote: of the 300 recruits that left Brabant with him, 15 returned, including our main character, hence the reason our guest-professor exists)
Now, to add perspective to this, and just because I like drama, about 1/3rd of the recruits was rejected for being too short. That'd mean the average lenght in that time would be somewhere around 1.60m - 1.65m , which'd mean Napoleon was a pretty tall guy.
Now I'm here wondering how I would have looked as a cuirassier, being 1.92m tall.
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I'm not entirely sure about the age correctness, perhaps it only applied to the Brabantian recruits at that moment., as I found records of many younger soldiers. On the other hand, about soldier lenght, I found this:
The small but agile horses required shorter and lighter riders. Thus the hussars and chasseurs were the shorterst of all cavalrymen. The minimum height requirements were: for carabinier 179 cm, cuirassier 173 cm, dragoon 170 cm, and for the chasseur and hussar only 160 cm.
The actual average height of cavalrymen :
for 400 cuirassiers - heavy cavalry 172.5cm
for 400 dragoons 168.0cm
for 300 chasseurs - light cavalry 167.0cm
for 600 hussars - light cavalry 165.0cm
Thus the average chasseur was 2 cm taller than the average hussar. However, the hussars more readily accepted the very tall and the very short (but physically strong) recruits than the chasseurs and dragoons. In terms of height the hussars were a mixed bag.
- Source (http://napoleonistyka.atspace.com/French_Cavalry.html#_cuirassiers)
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Cool story rory, didn't know about that.
Both the English and French at the time of the Napoleonic War used different standards for an inch, I believe. It was something to do with that.
As far as I know, it was this. Atleast, so I've heard from my brother who studies history.
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I never tire of linking to this practical chart that showcases how rational and useful imperial units are each time they are discussed. Note this is only for english units, of course, with each country (or city) having its own slightly different version, for improved practicality.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/English_length_units_graph.png
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The exact length of any individual unit was also arbitrary, as well. Everyone used their own standard, not just from country to country, but from person to person. Napoleon's time was during the time when the French were experimenting with various units of measure, including things like decimal-based time systems. IIRC, they completely redefined their entire system of measure on a regular basis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_units_of_measurement
"The names of a many pre-metric units were reintroduced, but were redefined in terms of metric units. Thus the toise (fathom) was defined as being two metres with six pied (feet) making up one toise, twelve pouce (inches) making up one pied and twelve lignes making up one pouce. Likewise, the livre (pound) was defined as being 500 g, each livre comprising sixteen once and each once eight gros and the aune as 120 centimetres."
So, two meters was six feet, and one kilogram was two pounds. :P
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So, two meters was six feet, and one kilogram was two pounds. :P
It still is, informally. In markets I often see things like weighting 480g of fruits only to be told "Should I complete the pound?".
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I never tire of linking to this practical chart that showcases how rational and useful imperial units are each time they are discussed. Note this is only for english units, of course, with each country (or city) having its own slightly different version, for improved practicality.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/English_length_units_graph.png (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/English_length_units_graph.png)
Nice. +1
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As odd as they seem, Empirical units are very practical for the purposes which they served. They were quite useful to the people that used them, at the time they were used. If they weren't useful, they wouldn't have been used.
They were also not all used by the same people, for the same purpose. People who measure in points and picas are not going to use nautical miles for measuring the same things. For those same reasons, the relationship between the two units, although it can be defined, is irrelevant and useless.
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As odd as they seem, Empirical units are very practical for the purposes which they served. They were quite useful to the people that used them, at the time they were used. If they weren't useful, they wouldn't have been used.
Actually, I agree with that. The metric system, on the other hand, was designed with universality in mind. It's quite easy to find an application where they are not ideal, but they can easily be translated back and forth between applications, and scales can be grasped more easily.
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Metrics do make math and science easier. No question about it.
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I guess one advantage of using feet and thumbs is that you have a built-in measuring stick.
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Metrics do make math and science easier. No question about it.
Hell yes. A measure of unit greater is 10 times greater. It's predictable.
How many inches in a foot? Uh... 12. How many of those in a yard? 3... How many of those in a mile? 1760...? Say, how much is an oz of honey? Uh, is that a weight measure, or a volume measure? Alright, so let's add up the following measures: 1½"+2'¾"+½"+...
If you grew up in it, you've probably learned it by heart over time. However, it's completely arbitrary and those who did not grow up in the system cannot anticipate how much the next unit of measure will represent. Using fractions also adds a level of complexity, especially for those not particularily skilled at mental calculations.
I hate the imperial system. Ask me how tall I am, though, and by force of habit I couldn't tell it to you in metric to save my life. :P
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Yeah, he was never short, it was just British propaganda that went way too seriously for a propaganda