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BattleMaster => Development => Feature Requests => Topic started by: Kwanstein on October 04, 2013, 06:37:45 AM
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Title: Increase Family Wealth Limit
Summary: The top twenty wealthiest families have maxed out their family wealth, and there is currently nothing to do with wealth, so the limit must be raised further.
Details: Without any way to spend wealth or stockpile it, it is useless to have. Therefore some measure must be taken. The most immediate action would be to increase the family wealth limit.
Benefits: This will give wealth a meaning.
Possible exploits: None.
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there is currently nothing to do with wealth
So why raise the total amount? It seems pointless to increase the amount you can stockpile before any new features are added to spend family wealth on. Besides, isn't 20,000 gold enough? How many realms have been drained of tax returns to build those stockpiles? Past the point where it actually does anything in the game, family wealth just becomes a fairly meaningless number on a high score chart... raise it to 30,000 gold, and then when the top 20 families max that out, someone will ask for it to be raised to 40,000 gold.
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I agree with Foxglove. Better to add things to do with that wealth than raise the limit when it already serves little purpose.
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Adding additional features is a good solution.
But so is raising the wealth cap.
It is possible for there to be two solutions.
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Adding additional features is a good solution.
But so is raising the wealth cap.
It is possible for there to be two solutions.
It doesn't add anything to the game. It is there for pointless. Tom thought raising the limit to 20,000 would actually make things harder for people to be in the top 20 but he was wrong. Very wrong. Within a week, people began to reach 20,000 gold. If you really want to know the true meaning of wealth, why not make it limitless?
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But so is raising the wealth cap.
What is it the solution to, exactly? People's insatiable need to collect !@#$? How exactly is making the limit 30,000 or 40,000 or 500,000 a solution to the fact that that much family wealth is useless?
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Adding additional features is a good solution.
But so is raising the wealth cap.
It is possible for there to be two solutions.
I think you need to explain more clearly why you think raising the wealth cap is a good idea and why it's a problem that 20 families have reached the current cap. The thing I'm not understanding at the moment is what it would achieve to raise that cap. Is it just to allow players to get their families even higher up the high score table of family wealth?
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Problem the first: you have this link called 'Top Families' which lists the top families sorted by wealth. This is rendered pointless if all of the families have the same amount of wealth.
Problem the second: you have gold, which is currently pointless because there is nothing to spend it on.
The procedure: increase wealth cap. It takes negligible effort to do this, and it provides benefits.
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I dont agree with this, the first problem aint really a problem. While increasing the wealth limit doesnt really solve the 2nd one.
And if there are ways to spend family gold, the first problem wont be that prevalent anymore.
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Problem the first: you have this link called 'Top Families' which lists the top families sorted by wealth. This is rendered pointless if all of the families have the same amount of wealth.
Problem the second: you have gold, which is currently pointless because there is nothing to spend it on.
The procedure: increase wealth cap. It takes negligible effort to do this, and it provides benefits.
Not really, If we increase it say 10,000 gold, then within a month the same 20 families will probably have maxed it out again.
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The procedure: increase wealth cap. It takes negligible effort to do this, and it provides benefits.
What benefits? What benefits will this provide to compensate for another 200,000 gold being drained out of realms that could use it to wage war?
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Can you explain why this is a problem in the first problem? It doesn't impact the game in anyway in my eyes.
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Can you explain why this is a problem in the first problem? It doesn't impact the game in anyway in my eyes.
There is a feature in the game called Top Families. It is meant to rank families based on wealth. If there is no distinction in wealth then it is broken.
What benefits? What benefits will this provide to compensate for another 200,000 gold being drained out of realms that could use it to wage war?
It fixes the Top Family feature and allows people to spend their excess gold (currently there is not enough stuff to spend gold on).
Not really, If we increase it say 10,000 gold, then within a month the same 20 families will probably have maxed it out again.
Then increase it again after a month. The workload of changing 20,000 to 30,000 to 40,000 is negligible, so it would be no problem if the maximum limit were reached again in the future. You could even plan for that eventuality by increasing the wealth cap even further to begin with. It is not a problem that ingenuity cannot solve.
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I would suggest that the family wealth statistic be adjusted. Instead of basing family wealth on stockpiled gold, base it on the combined earnings of all family members. Earnings could include taxes, trades, looting, theft, and transfers. Calculate earnings on a rolling, one month period. I think that this would do a great job of calculating wealth while not encouraging players to hoard gold.
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Problem the first: you have this link called 'Top Families' which lists the top families sorted by wealth. This is rendered pointless if all of the families have the same amount of wealth.
This problem could also be solved by not looking at the top families ranking. It is pointless in the first place.
Problem the second: you have gold, which is currently pointless because there is nothing to spend it on.
I would like to have more things to spend family wealth on; nevertheless is it not true that there is currently nothing to spend it on, and increasing the cap will only put more gold into a sinkhole with little spending options.
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It fixes the Top Family feature and allows people to spend their excess gold (currently there is not enough stuff to spend gold on).
What realms are you in where you have so much excess gold that it's more useful to send it to your family (which you said was useless) rather than spending it on your character, your unit or your realm?
I'm sorry, but no. "Fixing" a useless statistic feature that most people don't even bother with is not worth the immense gold drain that these "top families" would cause in their realms if they had the opportunity to accumulate more near-useless family wealth.
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Any realm that's been around a bit has enough gold to equip it's nobles with huge units. That's why you see everyone running around with 800CS units at minimum, with standing orders urging anyone with less to contact the council for gold. There is no risk of immense gold drain and even if there were it would be beneficial because there's too much gold. This has been discussed a ton already and is common knowledge on the forum.
What realms are you in where you have so much excess gold that it's more useful to send it to your family (which you said was useless) rather than spending it on your character, your unit or your realm?
I have a character with 1,500 gold who's actively fighting a war but makes more money than she spends on her unit. She even suicides her unit every so often for the honour gain, so that she can recruit an even bigger unit next time, but it's not enough. She offered someone gold once and was refused. She's handed out large sums for no reason. Doesn't make a dent. Occasions for philanthropy aren't frequent enough for them to matter very much, because everyone else is rich as well.
I have another character with 2,500 gold. His realm is at peace and everyone in it has huge units anyway, so there is nothing for him to spend it on.
I have a third character who had 1,500 gold until he sent 1k of it home and raised me to the wealth cap. Now I'm at the wealth cap, and he still has enough gold to purchase huge massive gargantuan units for eternity because his income is so high.
*I should note that none of my characters have particularly cushy positions. I've never been a duke or operated a region with more than 300 gold. My experience is nowhere near what truly rich characters must go through. I can only imagine how much gold dukes have on them. (probably 50,000)
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So at the end, you want the gold limit to be raised for your own sake. Great.
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Counterproposal: Reduce family wealth by 10% every month. That way, only those who can afford it will STAY in the top 20. If that isn't enough, make it 20%, 30%, 90%. We can easily base it on how much you have (0% for those < 5k, starting at 5k it increases until it hits whatever the max % is at 20k).
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Counterproposal: Reduce family wealth by 10% every month. That way, only those who can afford it will STAY in the top 20. If that isn't enough, make it 20%, 30%, 90%. We can easily base it on how much you have (0% for those < 5k, starting at 5k it increases until it hits whatever the max % is at 20k).
That would take longer to code and no one would bother with family wealth and everyone would have 10,000 gold on all of their characters because there'd be no sane place else to put it.
So at the end, you want the gold limit to be raised for your own sake. Great.
No I wrote a bunch of other stuff before that last post. That last post was a reply to specific questions. Please read the thread before responding.
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Also if you all hate the Top Families page so much you should just delete it.
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I'm sorry, but no. "Fixing" a useless statistic feature that most people don't even bother with is not worth the immense gold drain that these "top families" would cause in their realms if they had the opportunity to accumulate more near-useless family wealth.
Is gold draining really a problem? If you want to drain gold for the sake of your own family 'status', why not? If that leaves the realm with too little reserves to win a war, you probably made the wrong decision. Real history is full with accounts of great useless expenditures of kings and lords that bankrupted their realm, land, duchy or barony. While it isn't possible to go bankrupt in Battlemaster, I think making family wealth limitless will make gold circulating in-game more scarce. Which is interesting for war.
About gold in general, the fact that everyone is just giving it away for the 'benefit of the realm' is also not very historically correct. In real life it has more value, which creates more intrigue around it. I think it would be an interesting discussion how we can increase the value of gold, to make people want to go to war over it.
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That would take longer to code
Yes, about 2 minutes. Seriously, that's about 5 lines of code.
no one would bother with family wealth
wrong. nobody would bother with excessive family wealth, except the same people who already do, just to get into the top list.
I'm writing this up as a proper feature request.
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Counter- counter- proposal: No maximum.
Unless I'm missing something (I probably am) it seems like a pointless restriction.
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There is no point to the restriction, but try explaining that to people who do not care about family wealth at best and at worst regard people with high family wealth as power gamers who are screwing their realms and reaching the limit out of malice.
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There is no point to the restriction, but try explaining that to people who do not care about family wealth at best and at worst regard people with high family wealth as power gamers who are screwing their realms and reaching the limit out of malice.
So let them think that. Nobody ever got rich by trying to please everyone.
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There is no point to the restriction,
There is a point to the restriction - to make sure the amount of gold sucked out of the game is not infinite. It is designed as a money sink, but it shouldn't be a bottomless pit.
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Counter- counter- proposal: No maximum.
Unless I'm missing something (I probably am) it seems like a pointless restriction.
Also, it is a real pain to store infinite numbers in a database.
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Ok, but is it really infinite? It seems like only a handful of players even care about the family wealth rankings, and if those few want to put all of their gold into family wealth, let them. Most players don't do that because there are more interesting things they can do with their gold, like building an army. Still it's a game about choices. There's no wealth cap in life and I don't think there ought to be one in the game either. I do however like the idea of giving players more things to spend their money on.
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Ok, but is it really infinite?
There's no wealth cap in life and I don't think there ought to be one in the game either.
Reread what you wrote, mate, and think about it a little, and I think you'll have answered your own question ;D
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Reread what you wrote, mate, and think about it a little, and I think you'll have answered your own question ;D
It's Monday, so I might need it explained to me. I know you're a stickler for logic though. I think you're saying that if wealth isn't limited, it's therefore infinite?
Even if family wealth isn't capped, it would still be limited by the amount of gold each player can get his hands on, and then by how much he decides to allocate to his family fortune. He can send all of it to the family if he wants, but most won't because there are more interesting things to do with your gold, like building an army. So I think the warnings about "infinite numbers" overwhelming the database and "infinite gold being sucked out of the game" and an out-of-control 'arms-race' of wealth accumulation are exaggerated.
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It's Monday, so I might need it explained to me. I know you're a stickler for logic though. I think you're saying that if wealth isn't limited, it's therefore infinite?
Even if family wealth isn't capped, it would still be limited by the amount of gold each player can get his hands on, and then by how much he decides to allocate to his family fortune. He can send all of it to the family if he wants, but most won't because there are more interesting things to do with your gold, like building an army. So I think the warnings about "infinite numbers" overwhelming the database and "infinite gold being sucked out of the game" and an out-of-control 'arms-race' of wealth accumulation are exaggerated.
The thing is, it doesn't take lots of people trying it for it to become a problem, it only takes one.
Given how fast this many people were able to raise family wealth from the previous cap of 10,000 to the new cap of 20,000, I have no confidence that there would be a long delay before we started hitting the database limits on the size of an integer.
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The thing is, it doesn't take lots of people trying it for it to become a problem, it only takes one.
Given how fast this many people were able to raise family wealth from the previous cap of 10,000 to the new cap of 20,000, I have no confidence that there would be a long delay before we started hitting the database limits on the size of an integer.
So whatever the database limit is, why not make that the wealth limit?
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Because those of us with realms at war (continent-wide war, no less) don't want to see tens of thousands more gold taken out of their realm that could be used to fight with instead?
Not every island is Atamara. Not every realm is Darka. It's very nice that your realms produce so much gold you don't know what to do with it, but some of us actually need the gold our realms produce so we can fight.
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I think it is unfortunate how gold is distributed in BM, all the peace-loving realms get the most gold while the warmonger realms are so poor. Maybe implement something like a war tax? Like being able to add 2-3% when realms are at war?
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Because those of us with realms at war (continent-wide war, no less) don't want to see tens of thousands more gold taken out of their realm that could be used to fight with instead?
Not every island is Atamara. Not every realm is Darka. It's very nice that your realms produce so much gold you don't know what to do with it, but some of us actually need the gold our realms produce so we can fight.
Only about twenty characters have reached the limit. That's enough to fill up the entire Top Families page, but it's still only twenty players across the entire game. Even if they all sent all of their gold back to their families, that would not count for much of a drain. This idea that you, Tom, and perhaps others are suggesting, that there's a risk of a major 'arms race,' with gold, is baseless. It's merely an excuse fabricated to exempt a senseless position from scrutiny.
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If you can't think of ways to spend family wealth, you are not being creative enough.
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There are a set number of ways to spend family wealth, probably all detailed on the wiki. Knowing of them isn't a matter of creativity.
And what would you have people do, set huge bounties and fund revolts? Both of those options are ineffectual. Invest gold or ask for family support? Those do not spend wealth, they merely recirculate it. Buy regions or pay ransoms? Far too situational. There just are not many worthwhile things to spend money on. At least hoarding money gives you the satisfaction of hoarding it. Blasting it all on negligible effects is fleeting and insignificant.
If I were to really want to spend huge amounts of gold, I would simply build and then demolish recruitment centres over and over again. That would provide a chance at some notable gain, in the form of a rare, high quality recruitment centre. That is what I have been doing to try and spend all of my gold. But it has nothing to do with family gold, and it only cuts into excess gold, which is gold that is not very valuable. It is a 'meh' response, that is all.
Ten years ago I was a noob always trying to scrounge up enough gold to recruit a ten man unit, which would often be eliminated mere days after I bought it (battles were very frequent back then). That kind of challenge built in a sense of urgency and intimacy between myself and the wars I was fighting. It's often said that back then common nobles were merely pawns. From a grand strategic view, that is true, but from a more limited perspective, it is false. The personal barrier of trying to obtain gold back then made me far more engaged with the game. Nowadays I really do feel like just an automaton. There's no struggle in getting gold to recruit a unit. My only struggle is getting gold to build recruitment centres which I don't care about. Recruiting 800CS units is easy. It's no struggle at all!
That is getting a bit off track. There is a gold problem, and the Family Wealth thing is a direct result of it, but at this I doubt the former will be solved, so the only hope is to solve the latter, as the latter is very easy to solve. Either by deleting the cause of one of it's negative effects (the silly looking Top Families page), or by raising the cap, which is what this thread is about. Either option is easy to perform, so that is why I bring them up, rather than discuss the more difficult solutions to the matter of excess gold itself.
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Only about twenty characters have reached the limit. That's enough to fill up the entire Top Families page, but it's still only twenty players across the entire game. Even if they all sent all of their gold back to their families, that would not count for much of a drain. This idea that you, Tom, and perhaps others are suggesting, that there's a risk of a major 'arms race,' with gold, is baseless. It's merely an excuse fabricated to exempt a senseless position from scrutiny.
Given that you've provided no reason for this other than to supposedly make a superficial statistic feature looked at by a small percentage of player and meaningful to even fewer players more useful by draining hundreds of thousands of gold from an economy that can't sustain it (and it can't - your experiences in your realms are not indicative of every realm on every continent), I don't think it's us fabricating excuses or senseless positions.
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Given that you've provided no reason for this other than to supposedly make a superficial statistic feature looked at by a small percentage of player and meaningful to even fewer players more useful by draining hundreds of thousands of gold from an economy that can't sustain it (and it can't - your experiences in your realms are not indicative of every realm on every continent), I don't think it's us fabricating excuses or senseless positions.
I don't understand most of your post, except for the bit about the game being unable to sustain a smaller gold circulation.
That is false. Years ago the circulation was smaller, and it was spread over a larger amount of players. Due to repeated tax system changes, as well as the outflow of players, the current gold circulation is comparatively bloated. This is true for all realms in the game. No realm today has as many characters as was typical in the past. No realm today has the tax system of the past. Realms today are all richer than they would be in the past. The particulars may vary, but all realms today are comparatively rich.
So there is no risk of realms being sucked dry by these top twenty players and being unable to fight wars. That is an absurd notion which doesn't hold up to any amount of scrutiny.
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Because those of us with realms at war (continent-wide war, no less) don't want to see tens of thousands more gold taken out of their realm that could be used to fight with instead?
Not every island is Atamara. Not every realm is Darka. It's very nice that your realms produce so much gold you don't know what to do with it, but some of us actually need the gold our realms produce so we can fight.
You can do what you like with your gold. Nobody's required to send any gold to their family unless they choose. You're also free to move your character to Atamara if that's more to your liking. It's a game about choices. You may not be happy with the choices your realm mates are making, but creating rules and restrictions to get them to do what you want, IMO, is not how the game should be played. If you're realm is at war and everybody is more concerned about hoarding wealth instead of fighting the war then guess what: you'll lose the war.
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Really? "Choice"? Plenty of choices are restricted for the sake of game enjoyment and balance. I can't choose to loot my own regions. I can't choose to send gold to my enemies whenever I feel like it. I can't choose to build a palace whenever I want to. I can't choose to create 500 characters and take over a realm. I can't choose to move five regions in a single turn. You continue to provide no reason whatsoever for why this choice is so important to have.
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Really? "Choice"? Plenty of choices are restricted for the sake of game enjoyment and balance. I can't choose to loot my own regions. I can't choose to send gold to my enemies whenever I feel like it. I can't choose to build a palace whenever I want to. I can't choose to create 500 characters and take over a realm. I can't choose to move five regions in a single turn. You continue to provide no reason whatsoever for why this choice is so important to have.
Choices and RP'ing are the life blood of the game. If you want to influence players in your realm, use your leadership skills and your powers of persuasion. If your realm is weak because of players sending too much gold out of realm instead of spending it on the military and infrastructure, then you must have weak leadership. Artificial restrictions such as this one don't address weak leadership, they enable it. It shifts the burden from the IG leaders to the Devs.
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I can't choose to loot my own regions. I can't choose to send gold to my enemies whenever I feel like it. I can't choose to build a palace whenever I want to.
IMO you should be able to do those things.
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IMO you should be able to do those things.
If you want a completely open world, go play a simple play-by-email roleplaying game. BattleMaster has restrictions on what you can do because it's a different kind of game.
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If you want a completely open world, go play a simple play-by-email roleplaying game. BattleMaster has restrictions on what you can do because it's a different kind of game.
It would help if you read the quoted text, Anaris. I was referring to 3 specific restrictions mentioned by Velax. BM needs some structural limits, though I think you'd agree that sometimes limits don't serve their intended purpose very well or at all.
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It would help if you read the quoted text, Anaris. I was referring to 3 specific restrictions mentioned by Velax. BM needs some structural limits, though I think you'd agree that sometimes limits don't serve their intended purpose very well or at all.
What you quoted were the examples he gave that were not obvious absurd hyperbole. That was not sufficient for me to tell whether you were being specific or general, and there have been a number of vocal players in the past who, though they would not actually say so directly, clearly wished that BattleMaster was essentially a fully freeform roleplaying game.
And yes, sometimes the restrictions are counterproductive. However, I do not believe that any of the three quoted restrictions are among that category.
It used to be possible to loot your own regions. You know who used the ability most often (in my experience)? Griefers, who would create a new character, or even a new account, troll the realm a little with innocent-sounding messages like "Oh, what should I do? What does this do?" and loot various regions before deleting.
It is, in fact, now possible to send money to enemies through a number of different methods, and I don't think that it needs to be made any easier than it is now.
And do you know what would happen if it were possible to build a palace any time you wanted? I do, because not long ago someone found a loophole in the palace code that allowed just that. And build several dozen palaces. Why? I don't know. Maybe he thought each one would give him a separate fame point. But it's neither realistic nor sensible game mechanics to allow someone to build several dozen palaces in a short span of time.
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What you quoted were the examples he gave that were not obvious absurd hyperbole. That was not sufficient for me to tell whether you were being specific or general, and there have been a number of vocal players in the past who, though they would not actually say so directly, clearly wished that BattleMaster was essentially a fully freeform roleplaying game.
And yes, sometimes the restrictions are counterproductive. However, I do not believe that any of the three quoted restrictions are among that category.
It used to be possible to loot your own regions. You know who used the ability most often (in my experience)? Griefers, who would create a new character, or even a new account, troll the realm a little with innocent-sounding messages like "Oh, what should I do? What does this do?" and loot various regions before deleting.
It is, in fact, now possible to send money to enemies through a number of different methods, and I don't think that it needs to be made any easier than it is now.
And do you know what would happen if it were possible to build a palace any time you wanted? I do, because not long ago someone found a loophole in the palace code that allowed just that. And build several dozen palaces. Why? I don't know. Maybe he thought each one would give him a separate fame point. But it's neither realistic nor sensible game mechanics to allow someone to build several dozen palaces in a short span of time.
All fair points IMO. I didn't mean to take us off-topic. My primary argument in this thread is that the family wealth limit is an unnecessary restriction, and my secondary argument is that players' ability to make their own decisions should be preserved as much as possible.
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Only about twenty characters have reached the limit. That's enough to fill up the entire Top Families page, but it's still only twenty players across the entire game. Even if they all sent all of their gold back to their families, that would not count for much of a drain. This idea that you, Tom, and perhaps others are suggesting, that there's a risk of a major 'arms race,' with gold, is baseless. It's merely an excuse fabricated to exempt a senseless position from scrutiny.
How do you know only 20 have? We only see the top 20, for all we know there are another 50 families but a handful of gold behind them.
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How do you know only 20 have? We only see the top 20, for all we know there are another 50 families but a handful of gold behind them.
To help this a little, there are over 75 families with more than 10k gold, and over 30 families with more than 15k gold.
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The only players relevant are those who have reached the limit. They are the ones who are claimed to potentially threaten the gold supply with an apocalyptic gold harvesting race. The idea is that, if the gold limit were done away with, they would potentially invest such huge amounts of gold into their families that the game would be negatively effected, presumably because there wouldn't be enough gold left over to wage wars.
Players with less than the limit are free under current circumstances to harvest gold. So their alleged burden right now is the same whether of whether or not the limitation is eased. They do not matter.
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Look, guys. The original 10k limit was put there because at the time it was a crazy amount of money. Doubling it to 20k was meant to ensure it would last for years.
Times have changed. Back in the days, 100 gold was a lot.
But, just raising the number again will just move the wall and we'll hit it again sooner or later. Ergo, my counter-proposal.
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While it is always good to discuss new features, this particular request isn't going to be accepted implemented. If you want to discuss the general idea of removing limits, this should be done in a general discussion thread.
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The problem is not the limit, but the fact that we don't have much options to use the gold. I can send the amount of gold I want, but when I need to call for family support, they will send me 100 gold... and I can lost prestige for it... or they can refuse if I never sent a coin. :(
I remember when I invested with Erik in every rich region of Sirion to improve ou situation when we had 120 nobles and the entire continent as our enemies. I can do it again and again.. but just it!? I don't care to save gold anymore with the family because it's almost useless. Instead, I would like to have an option to receive more from my family in times of need... or use this gold to train an Infiltrator... or to build temples. Do it just with the family support is impossible. Something like "Hey, I'm young and I want to be Infiltrator... why not ask to my family if a parent of mine in a higher position can sponsor my visits to the academy" or "I want to build a temple level 10... why wait for 4 weeks if my family already have enough to pay for it!?"
Now, they don't care if you're a Duke, they will send the same 100 gold to you as if you are just a mere Knight.
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Now, they don't care if you're a Duke, they will send the same 100 gold to you as if you are just a mere Knight.
That's because your family is not a bank and will never be. I'd rather remove family wealth entirely than make it a bank.
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That's because your family is not a bank and will never be. I'd rather remove family wealth entirely than make it a bank.
A family paying to have a member become a master at something seems like its realistic. A really rich family paying for a temple to be built but with the family name being published at minimum upon construction or some other mark of the family paying seems realistic. A rich family funding a younger family member (under 40 for instance) when they don't have an estate or its providing a really small amount for a little while seems reasonable/realistic. If the family is paying for things (or giving limited amounts a week when in need) it's not acting as a bank to instantly make a family member rich, so these three suggestions seem good albeit off topic from the feature request.
How do you know only 20 have? We only see the top 20, for all we know there are another 50 families but a handful of gold behind them.
Because Kwanstein has been stating false information. The top 20 for wealth are not all maxed out.
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A family paying to have a member become a master at something seems like its realistic. A really rich family paying for a temple to be built but with the family name being published at minimum upon construction or some other mark of the family paying seems realistic. A rich family funding a younger family member (under 40 for instance) when they don't have an estate or its providing a really small amount for a little while seems reasonable/realistic.
As people have pointed out it is trivial to accumulate masses of family gold right now. Make it possible to send large amounts of gold for training and all we will do is eliminate the social interaction currently required to secure a training sponsor that ISN'T your own family. It might be realistic, but does it actually help the balance or outcomes for the game?
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Because Kwanstein has been stating false information. The top 20 for wealth are not all maxed out.
I wasn't about to quibble over peanuts.
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I wasn't about to quibble over peanuts.
And yet it was your entire point. So this change should be made to accommodate the four people who've reached the cap?
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And yet it was your entire point. So this change should be made to accommodate the four people who've reached the cap?
To be fair there are a few others that are but a handful of gold away.
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And yet it was your entire point. So this change should be made to accommodate the four people who've reached the cap?
I think Kwanstein's point was that the number of players who have reached the limit is negligible.
Incidentally, is there too much gold in the game or not enough, because I'm reading conflicting information.
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I've made lots of points in this thread, because there are lots of tangents about random things.
On the subject of the top twenty players, not everyone bothers to keep their family gold at the exact maximum limit. I didn't bother going into excruciating detail on this subject because I figured it was easy for people to conceptualize themselves. But since there is significant confusion, I will elaborate.
The top 14 players are one hundred gold away from the limit. If they were OCD they could max out easily. The rest are just shy as well. That is all that mattered, because that particular point was not that everyone had 20,000 gold, but that people were all hovering around that area, which was problematic. It's a moot point now, because the devs don't care.
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To be fair there are a few others that are but a handful of gold away.
You can not send individual gold coins, so anyone above 19950 can't really go any higher and should be considered maxed.
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So this change should be made to accommodate the four people who've reached the cap?
To be quite honest, if there wasn't a cap, I wouldn't have bothered to send the gold to my family to be at the top of the list. :P