Well the Darka vs CE and Co. war was going on but then CE got the border regions and gave them away to Talerium...pointlessly, IMO in a war of aggression. (Is aware it does mean its harder for Darka to ever attack CE but that wasn't ever really happening.)
IIRC there was some action after the region giving away at BoM with Darka trying to save BoM I believe but I don't recall exactly what was going on then. After that the north has basically gone silent.
Well the Darka vs CE and Co. war was going on but then CE got the border regions and gave them away to Talerium...pointlessly,
Like Suville just did. At least on paper. Not sure if they will really send troops.
Storming into Darka!I was hoping for more detail, but those seem accurate.
Well not me personally, but I see battle reports. mm is Barony died? ML vs Silnaria? Rieleston kill Eston yet?
Is my realm dead yet? Or did leaving give it a chance to survive?I would summarize your realm as unofficially dead, IMO.
Now Drizztle rules. The war with ML continues. Thats all the publicly-known major events I think.
Drizztle rules? Ugh...yep it is dead.
Maybe the King needs to return to fix things. (ie. nail in coffin)
Moto is still here silverfire. Do not worry, for I will win at BM.
Referendum Results (16 hours, 49 minutes ago)
The referendum "Vote for the Ruler" has ended. Here is the final tally:
30 votes for Audrey
30 votes for Ottar
13 votes for Nireus D.Natalle
23 abstentions
88 votes were not cast.
Due to the tie, a random draw decided the winning choice. The winning choice is therefore Ottar, with 30 votes. A simple majority was required (i.e., 1 votes).
All hail to the new Tyrant, Ottar Perkeleet, Tyrant of Tara, Royal of Tara, Ambassador of Tara.
As a reminder, the full text of the referendum was:
This is an election for the position of Ruler (Tyrant), initiated automatically because the position was vacated.
All nobles of the realm will vote, each vote having the same weight.
There has been some intresting events on Atamra recently.
Suville & Coria have had some diplomatic crisis. Eston has started to help Silnaria as defencive wise(atleast now) against Minas Leon.
Darka has tried to open negotations to end war, but not a single reply from enemy side(CE & Tara & Strombran & Suville), not even "Not intrested!", which was reply last time Darka tried to open discussion. Same time thought, CE's judge has cried over Darkas judge who has been taking CE prisoners gold and demanded that Darka stops that. So, i guess war will continue to the bitter end. Darka was finally able to push away enemy troops which looted hard Darkan border regions. Some went rogue, but are now back under Darkan banners.
Minas Leon and Rielston signed federation treaty. Rumours said Lyoness were planning to join as well, but new King of Lyoness and king of Minas Leon are not in too good terms cause of Lyoness Kings backround as Minas Ithil supporter. This, no doubt will tighten relations between Lyoness and Rielston as well, and Eston Rielston too... So there is a lot brewing at north, and even south finally seem to have some sort of action in sight.
-Jaune
Quite rapid worsening at relations between Llyoness and Darka has led to war between those 2 realms.
-Jaune
I think too that this was just not something nobody else than CE wanted to happen, but i guess Lyoness wanted its "freedom" and Darka didnt want CE to on its lands...
Time will show, will Llyoness be realm which have lost war to both sides, or will this turn table too much on CE's favor and Darka will be stomped quickly.
-jaune
Lyoness was creation of this war, not sure if there is even left much of nobles whom were Estonian when they surrendered?
I put it on quotes just cause you never had, and will not anytime soon to have that freedom :)
Lyoness was creation of this war, not sure if there is even left much of nobles whom were Estonian when they surrendered?
Many of my advisors adviced me to burn our border lands immediatly after Eston surrendered, i now must admit that it would have been good idea :)
-Jaune
Heh, those terms were ridiculous, take a look at the map!
With my edits, it would have been fair and equal and would have put CE & Darka on same position.
It is their choise, being neutral (treating both sides equally), or they choose side.
Now they thought they were neutral, but when other side is jumping on joy with their "neutrality" and support it with great joy, while other side is grunting and wants to change things, alert bells should ring, mayby that proposal was not that neutral after all? And pushing and THREATENING to accept that treaty or they will start to co-operate more deeply with the other side, doesnt make it anymore neutral.
-jaune
Let's not get into an argument about it. There were definitely threats on both sides. Who made one first (probably me) is irrelevant because, under normal circumstances, Darka had no passage rights anyway. The standard response is supposed to be mild anger. Add in a war with a bandaid "compensation" and ordering the lord of his own region out: you've got a major problem.Yeah it was not a smart move by Darka. Was it more beneficial to CE Lyonesse's policy? Probably, but was it worse than getting a new enemy? No. Darka should be trying to get allies, not give them to CE.
You are definitely right that this war comes out of a conflict of interest (as well as correctly identifying the conflicts), but I disagree that you had one option. I swore Ravendon was painting his solution for Darka on a billboard... Too late now, though.
I don't want to start a forum war (because this definitely could), but that's why I'd expect Darka to lose: You're focused on winning the next battle. Enri is okay with losing that battle because it mean he wins the war instead. It might still work out for Darka due to sheer might (and I hope it does; always been a fun realm to deal with), but the road's not going to get any easier.
Yeah it was not a smart move by Darka. Was it more beneficial to CE Lyonesse's policy? Probably, but was it worse than getting a new enemy? No. Darka should be trying to get allies, not give them to CE.
Selfishness is not in the best interests of yourself long term. Sometimes you have to be willing to take some losses to get the big win in the end, something Darka evidently is willing to do.
The treaty would have been end of Darka and Lyoness clearly was switching its side to CE.
All ignorance to my proposal to edit treaty more fair and claiming it is fair, which it really is not. All the talks were pretty much accept this! Then denying our passage to Lyoness while CE march on us.
I pretty much counted that Lyoness would have "loved" its realm enough not to get it burnt and we seemed to have decent relations, which although changed pretty quickly when that silly treaty was put on table.
Anyway, this definately spice up things.
-jaune
I had ALWAYS informed when Darka entered your lands, always tried to inform where we go to avoid unwanted casualties.
Your Queen didnt most of the time reply, of if she replied those were positive soundings, until the last trip, when she didnt reply at all, until we were at Melias watching CE army behind the border. I have re-posted my proposal to CE & Lyoness Queen, but i guess it is a bit late now.
-Jaune
+ that i thought some of the messages Himoura sent i thought was sent by your Queen, which made me think she has lost her mind and dont read my messages at all.
Also you've just described blackmail... "We know you treasure XYZ, so if you don't obey, we'll hurt XYZ." It might work, but it only ever builds resent. We thought Darka would have enough sense to realize that wasn't going to work.
"Pay me 1000 gold, sir, or I will reveal to all the other nobles that you have intimate relations with goats!"
"That's a nice realm you've got there. It would be a shame if SOMEONE BURNT IT TO THE GROUND."
I think that's extortion, actually.
black·mail
noun
1. the action, treated as a criminal offense, of demanding money from a person in return for not revealing compromising or injurious information about that person.
ex·tor·tion
noun
1. the practice of obtaining something, esp. money, through force or threats.
It's like you're not reading my points: Nobody in Lyonesse saw that discussion other than the Queen. Of course, she does have final say, but if you'd taken the hit this time and asked Ravendon to figure out what was up with the treaty and why there was no negotiation, we wouldn't likely be in this situation.AFAIK, it was fair and equal for both sides but CE was more likely to take advantage of it. (Wishes the treaty was public info (it slightly is as a bunch of different foreigners know about it) as we could have a real discussion)
Also, you seem to keep ignoring that while you believe it to benefit CE more (and my gut says you're right too), the CE really thought it was the end of the war for them with no victor.
AFAIK, it was fair and equal for both sides but CE was more likely to take advantage of it. (Wishes the treaty was public info (it slightly is as a bunch of different foreigners know about it) as we could have a real discussion)
And CE could do hit & run type of strikes and we could not hit back while they hide at Lyoness lands. Hit region and move back to Lyoness lands... Hit another region, move back to Lyoness lands... and then walk back to CE and we cant even chase them until 5 days have passed and they have refitted and build up defences on their border. Then we stare them 5 days, and move back to our own lands for refit...
-Jaune
I'd fetch it for you, but I'm wounded... I don't think there's any issue with posting it since it's not exactly hidden info, nor does it really serve as intelligence. Basically, it says that neither side will fight in Lyonesse, allowing passage rights to whomever asked first. The other must wait in their borders, granting 5 days to traverse Lyonesse freely. Both sides (and Lyonesse) must be informed of any passage as well.I already knew the jist of the terms but as I am involved myself I don't know the importance of keeping it hidden. Now that its out, the obvious thing for Darka to do IMO is just go to Eston and have battles there instead of their land. There is no reason Darka can't be more aggressive.
This means the CE gets a choke point at Anost (or whatever they have worked out with Silnaria and Eston) and Darka would deal with three possible border entry points. I'll let you do any applicable strategizing about counters or practical movements, but I'll agree the terms are equal yet not fair.
Yes yes, as you didnt allow them to use your lands when they last time attacked :)
I already knew the jist of the terms but as I am involved myself I don't know the importance of keeping it hidden. Now that its out, the obvious thing for Darka to do IMO is just go to Eston and have battles there instead of their land. There is no reason Darka can't be more aggressive.
I already knew the jist of the terms but as I am involved myself I don't know the importance of keeping it hidden. Now that its out, the obvious thing for Darka to do IMO is just go to Eston and have battles there instead of their land. There is no reason Darka can't be more aggressive.
I'm quite sure CE's tone would have been diffrent if borders A lot threats to bring whole Atamara upon Darka was thrown from Lyoness... bluff?
There was few, if i remember right Queenie, but it could had been that other Himoura too who said all realms will jump on us.If you don't mind me asking, what were those suggestions?
And we did make suggestions :D But those were ignored... I had to choose, burn Lyoness, or let CE burn Darka... not too hard decision for King of Darka.
Doesn't this theoretically mean that Lyonesse can start TOing Darkan regions (only possible with active League support, obviously)? And wouldn't that put Darka in a far, far more dangerous position now than they were in when all the League could do was loot their regions into the ground, but not permanently remove them from Darkan control? Sure, militarily Lyonesse contributes next to nothing to the war against Darka. But strategically, their ability to actually TO Darkan regions could be a death blow for Darka, assuming I'm not missing something important.I feel like Darka didn't consider it much when they went to war with Lyonesse. Really I don't think Darka has been thinking much this entire war because they just keep doing whatever CE wants them to do. CE wants to keep attacking Darka to eventually destroy Darka's gold reserves and their regions? Darka. CE wants to gain allies? Darka takes every change they can to piss off every other realm AFAIK.
Also, as was pointed out to me early on: Nobody but Lyonesse signed the treaty. Can't technically be enforced if nobody's signed it. Passage rights can, and would have been (insofar as our tiny army can stand up to 30k CS from either side).
But yes, you're right, it does mean Lyonesse could TO lands if we want to. Same for Darka in reverse, though.
Let me clear up a possible misunderstanding. Cagil did sign the treaty. Raziella wrote up the treaty, showed it (copy/paste text) to Cagil, but I couldn't find the propose button. Turns out that you can't propose to foreign ambassadors in your realm, but if you're an ambassador in another realm's lands you can propose treaties to them. Anyway, CE's ambassador ended up proposing it to Raziella and she signed their copy. So now Lyonesse has two copies (different names) of same treaty, one with signatures, one without. I just withdrew that signature trying to find a way to delete that treaty, but turns out there is no delete functionality coded.
Oh boy.
Well, we will see if this was the final mistake of Darka :)
But you are right on that, CE is very clever with its politics and with tricks like this it is forcing people to join on its side. Rielston were promised to have BoM, Lyoness were promised to have Massilion?
-Jaune
CE wants to gain allies?
Yes, several people said "Destroy/Conquer Eston remainings!" when they surrendered... but i felt pity to them. Again, i should have listen my advisors... thats why they are there, and believe me i have heard some "I told ya!" sayings lately :D
KK was a fool if he thought that would never happens, i bet my money hands down for that to happen, and i won!
Peace!
I was told that CE had permission to march on your lands, and we are not.
We did not had ANY problems with similar incidents before. We had gone with murderous settings ALWAYS when there was Lyoness/Rielston/Eston militia/troops which didnt respond our requests to leave.
And like said, Lyoness had already taken side when they proposed treaty which would give advantage to the enemy. Everytime i tried to discuss about this treaty, i was replied with silent, or "You really need sign this!".
It was Lyoness decision to become NOT neutral on this war. And it was Darkan decision to act for it. I did try to talk with it, but Queen didnt reply much, but that silly Himoura and Lord of Melias sent threats.
Like you said, you had given permission to CE march on their lands, but denied it from us. That is how it was told to me... and Lyoness kept repeating how fair their treaty was.
In my opinion, we both had good reason to act like we did. You wanted us out from your lands, and we wanted to fight CE on your lands like we had done few years already. You valued your indepense over the relations with Darka. Now we will see how this end... The Winner will write the history :)
We did not had ANY problems with similar incidents before. We had gone with murderous settings ALWAYS when there was Lyoness/Rielston/Eston militia/troops which didnt respond our requests to leave.How do you see attacking a realm's troops in their realm because they didn't follow your orders as acceptable diplomacy?
And like said, Lyoness had already taken side when they proposed treaty which would give advantage to the enemy. Everytime i tried to discuss about this treaty, i was replied with silent, or "You really need sign this!".
It was Lyoness decision to become NOT neutral on this war. And it was Darkan decision to act for it. I did try to talk with it, but Queen didnt reply much, but that silly Himoura and Lord of Melias sent threats.
Like you said, you had given permission to CE march on their lands, but denied it from us. That is how it was told to me... and Lyoness kept repeating how fair their treaty was.
In my opinion, we both had good reason to act like we did. You wanted us out from your lands, and we wanted to fight CE on your lands like we had done few years already. You valued your indepense over the relations with Darka. Now we will see how this end... The Winner will write the history :)
"You [Lyonesse] value your independence more than you value Darka so we have to attack you" is fair relations?
You want to talk about threats?I'm too soft on diplomacy, they said. I don't stand up for the Empire, they said. I've made no diplomatic inroads, they said. 8)
"Revoke CE's passage rights or we destroy Hawthorne."
That is a threat.
"Your passage rights are revoked until further notice, seeing as you've just set to murderous and attacked a bunch of our men while at peace for no reason."
Is a reasonable response, and yes we're aware that you've come through our lands murdering everything in sight. This is why the whole treaty was created in the first place. It was not meant to be all nice and fuzzy for everyone, and the consequences of ignoring it should have been obvious. If you recall, I threatened KK once, and that was after Darka instantly declared war after we lowered relation to neutral in response to you attacking our troops in cold blood, and that was to merely repay Darka in spades for whatever damage they did.
Of course, its obvious why Darka has no more friends on Atamara, they blatantly ignore the basest forms of diplomacy, and pursue an active campaign of murder and disregard for anyone not bending over backwards for them. CE is allied with almost everyone? I wonder why that is? Oh, I'll explain it: they respect other realms, engage in pleasantries, and are generally much nicer to work with than Darka, because if you pursue something they don't necessarily agree with, their response isn't "switch to murderous and burn everything we can touch"
CE...Where the cookies are more delcious
CE...Where the cookies are more delcious
CE as Cookie Empire?!
I will loot them away then! :D
Also, please, this is a classic diplomacy fail.
Lyonesse can't understand that it lays besides a hegemonic realm and should hold close relations with it than with other hegemonic realms who are in no range to send adequate help in time...reminds me of the Cuba crisis.
So the question that remains is, will CE save you on the fields of diplomacy so that Darka won't get bigger...I doubt so.
Lyoness vs. Darka 1 - 6
CE tried to save Lyoness and attacked Melias, got spanked, Darka 1
Melias burnt Darka 2
Saradic burnt and lost to Rielston and then rogue, Darka 3
Banker vs. Banker, Himoura caught Rachel pants down, Lyoness 1
Slantrax battle, Lyoness and Rielston attacked and lost, Darka 4
Slantrax TOed by Darka, Darka 5
Hawthorne joined Darka, Darka 6 and last round of that war is about to start...
There might be halftime entertainment served by Cagilan Empire, but soon enough we are back to this spinoff war.
-Jaune
Lyoness vs. Darka 1 - 6
CE tried to save Lyoness and attacked Melias, got spanked, Darka 1
Melias burnt Darka 2
Saradic burnt and lost to Rielston and then rogue, Darka 3
Banker vs. Banker, Himoura caught Rachel pants down, Lyoness 1
Slantrax battle, Lyoness and Rielston attacked and lost, Darka 4
Slantrax TOed by Darka, Darka 5
Hawthorne joined Darka, Darka 6 and last round of that war is about to start...
There might be halftime entertainment served by Cagilan Empire, but soon enough we are back to this spinoff war.
-Jaune
Banker vs. Banker, Himoura caught Rachel pants down, Lyoness 1
-Jaune
Yes, we will surrender as soon as those regions around Hawthorne has been TOed. Lyoness won, lets end this war and be friends again :)
-Jaune
In recent news, Sir Glitterhoof, the notorious Horse Knight of Lyonesse has managed to escape Darkan prison. This event has caused an epidemic of split sides, and the terrible plague known as "the giggles". Darkan shameful surrender expected soon.
New Prisoner (1 hour, 41 minutes ago)Maybe it's time for "Sir Glitterhoof" to become a gelding....
Patrols in Hawthorne have captured the enemy noble Sir Glitterhoof Himoura, Knight of Loratil. He is now on his way into your dungeons.
New Prisoner (1 hour, 41 minutes ago)
Patrols in Hawthorne have captured the enemy noble Sir Glitterhoof Himoura, Knight of Loratil. He is now on his way into your dungeons.
Welcome back :) Your cell is still warm...
I trust the gigantic horse size hole is still there too.
Maybe it's time for "Sir Glitterhoof" to become a gelding....
Darka is aggressive when it becomes to its survival :) Enemy as neighbour is no no. Neighbour must be friendly.
Its not forced friendship. It is friendship or it is not friendship. Simple as that.Where not friendship means war, or in other words it is forced friendship.
-Jaune
Darka treason? From what I remember it was Lyonesse/CE breaking the first treaty, leading to the war with Lyonesse. As well, the treason (if you mean the change of allegiance) was commited by a Lyonesse-Duke. So truly, the only traitors are lyonesse, no?
Jaune,
Tell me this, what should Lyonesse have done that would have been friendly to Darka and not idiotic for Lyonesse?
Declare war on CE?
And I tried to negotiate with Lyoness, but Lyoness refused negotiate as long as our army were on their lands and lowered relations to neutral, it was clear sign that peace between us was over. You had promised free passage to Cagilan Empire and wanted Darka out from your lands. It was too much. Lyoness had survive and even doing good just because they had been good for Darka. If they had tried to enforce treaty of Hawthorne and block our passage, they would have dead long time ago. It was essential for both realms survival that we co-operate, suddenly Lyoness stopped to co-operate, vice versa, they started to co-operate with the enemy. Lyoness had to be taken care, they had become threat to Darkan survival. Which is sad, i really thought we both had similar view that CE is the Devil, after all it had humiliated your "mother" realm badly... but then again, new leadership of Lyoness had no clue how Lyoness was created. Lyoness were taken over by former Minas Ithilians. Which i didnt mind back then, we had good going from beginning, until you started to toy around with CE and ignore us.
They should have not done anything as long as they were center of this war. So basicly continue what they had done their whole existence, they did really well.While the second option is not completely a dumb idea for Lyonesse as there is a tiny chance CE would have considered it, you certainly show you never wanted Lyonesse as an ally/friend. You don't want friendship, you want slaves. Friends help each other out aka its a two way street. Darka just wants help while not giving a !@#$ about the other realm. Darka was slowly destroying Lyonesse because they never cared about Lyonesse.
Edit: Oh, or close up their borders totally from CE & Darka, that would have tested out CE's words about respect of independent realms :)
-Jaune
It's funny how Juane is winning in this conversation :D ;D he keeps repeating himself and people keep respond like it will change his mind.
I mean what was Lyonese thinking? I mean look at the Sand people the well they umm... sit in the sand Lyonese should have learned from them. tsk tsk. That's what happens when you let Himouras in your realm on AT first Coria now Lyonese... some might begin saying they are bad luck or worse cursed.
Hides ::)
I did not trust Lyoness anymore. Darka was better without Lyoness. I know OOC wise it was !@#$ty situation, but your relam were born by !@#$ty situation, none of us expected this last this long, but it keeps going.
I considered Lyoness future friend, but as long as that war was going and they were not intrested to join our side, i saw them as surrendered Eston province which were battleground. As soon as they started to show signs that they refuse to be that, i started to be bit worried, but same time they showed some intrest to try help out to build peace between CE & Darka, which Enri(i think in purpose, like in this recent Talerium case) blew it off.
The second Lyoness Queen said she wont negotiate unless we pull out from their lands, it was clear to me that Lyoness is no more friendly to Darka and we would be better without them.
I didnt expect you to fight for us, i expected you to swallow your loss and wait the war to be over.
I mean what was Lyonese thinking? I mean look at the Sand people the well they umm... sit in the sand Lyonese should have learned from them. tsk tsk. That's what happens when you let Himouras in your realm on AT first Coria now Lyonese... some might begin saying they are bad luck or worse cursed.
Heh, Darka had suggested that close the borders.
Stabbity, I mean Lyoness had lost this war already. I didnt expect them to join it again and fight side by side with us, i expected them to live with their loss and wait this war to be over. But like said earlier, this has been ridiciously long war, i know it has been sucky times for Lyoness and Eston... I think big problem is also that Lyoness didnt have anybody(?) active who were there when Lyoness were created.
You expected us to fight for you, or you would steal our cities. Lyonesse will not wait, and when the war is over, you will be far humbler.
and not idiotic for Lyonesse?
Jaune,
Tell me this, what should Lyonesse have done that would have been friendly to Darka and not idiotic for Lyonesse?
In what letter did Darka expect you to fight for them? The last 20 posts in here you have all been whining that Darka wanted you as far away from the battlefields as possible.
Why suddenly change behavior? 8) But well, personally, I would have said that having one regions in a bad shape due to a battle once per 1-2 weeks is better than allying with the enemy of your huge neighbor. But hey, perhaps it was not easy to see that Darka would get angry... You were all aware that Darka literally needed to fight CE in your region, otherwise it would be close to impossible to meet them head on. When you refuse Darka from doing so, what were they supposed to do?
Exact same as during the time leading up to the Lyonesse-Darka war? Would have saved you a duchy, at least.
Hard to be as far away from the battlefields as possible WHEN THEY'RE IN YOUR OWN LANDS. Stupid point is stupid. Darka wanted to use Lyonesse to absorb all the damage of the war, when Lyonesse was not involved. Lyonesse began negotiations to resolve this peacefully. Darka marched in and used murderous settings in a region no Cagilan troops were present. That is an act of war.
Say we're neighbors. We are amiable. Then one day I break into your house, rape your wife, murder children, and then blame you for it because you wouldn't let me barge through your house to use the bathroom and continue on through your house to use Jim at the end of the block's pool. That is what Darka did.
The war isn't over yet.
Eston lost. Lyoness was created from that loss, and Lyoness was not content to stand idly by while you destroyed our lands. Of course we're going to stand up against that, especially when we were working on a reasonable solution to this.
They were not there at that exact turn perhaps, but were on the way in or out. Doesn't truly matter all that much. And the region was not used because of the tactical intersection, and to ensure that CE didnt loot. Just send in 2-3 bureaucrats and problem solved!
As for your analogy, its almost to retarded to answer upon. You knew what you were getting in to, and you lost like 1% of your army. But yeah, that's exactly the same thing as you said, duh.
You were all aware that Darka literally needed to fight CE in your region, otherwise it would be close to impossible to meet them head on.
They were not there at that exact turn perhaps, but were on the way in or out. Doesn't truly matter all that much.They were on the way in and we were also coming back from a tour in Silnaria. Even if we weren't trying to stop you from fighting in our lands, Melias is the natural way back to Hawthorne. I haven't checked, but I think using Saradic is a longer trip; when your own realm's priorities (in this case, a war effort) is being hampered by a conflict you're supposed to be neutral in, something needs to change. It's like continuing to work at your cubicle while the trashcan is on fire.
And the region was not used because of the tactical intersection, and to ensure that CE didnt loot. Just send in 2-3 bureaucrats and problem solved!Is there a typo here? I'm not sure what point you were trying to make. It ensures the CE doesn't loot because it provides access to any region they could move to from Meneriel. I'd call that tactical. Do you mean to say you wanted to fight there because if the CE won in Darkan lands, they could use their remaining hours to loot before heading back for a refit? (Of course making Lyonesse the place to fight because the CE would just go home without looting.) Sorry we weren't willing to shelter you from normal consequences of war and tried to make you responsible for your own loss.
As for your analogy, its almost to retarded to answer upon. You knew what you were getting in to, and you lost like 1% of your army. But yeah, that's exactly the same thing as you said, duh.Overblown, yes. Invalid, no. I don't see why it matters how much of our army was lost... They were killed in our own realm in a conflict where we were declared as neutral. Let's use the house analogy again: That same neighbor still breaks into the house and threatens your family to not come into the hallway or he'll kill them... is that really any more innocent? Are we supposed to sit in the other room and reply cheerily: "Sure, Joe will be along for you to fight any second! We didn't need to use that hallway anyway! I'll see you again next week to threaten my family and commandeer a room of my house! Oh, and don't mind that flaming trashcan on your way out. We'll just continue to ignore it."
Overblown, yes. Invalid, no. I don't see why it matters how much of our army was lost... They were killed in our own realm in a conflict where we were declared as neutral. Let's use the house analogy again: That same neighbor still breaks into the house and threatens your family to not come into the hallway or he'll kill them... is that really any more innocent? Are we supposed to sit in the other room and reply cheerily: "Sure, Joe will be along for you to fight any second! We didn't need to use that hallway anyway! I'll see you again next week to threaten my family and commandeer a room of my house! Oh, and don't mind that flaming trashcan on your way out. We'll just continue to ignore it."
Seriously. WTF? You are really promoting the idea that it'd be better to have been a boring, silent realm that did nothing, has more game mechanic reports than actual player messages etc. than to actually say...play the game of battlemaster? I'd take the path of doom and destruction every day before death by apathy, but by god, that wasn't the intention either.
I find Erikr's previous post to be a fair analysis of the situation and I'm likely to be just as repetitive in the following sentences. Darka acts like there was no choice and its all Lyonesse's fault, but let's not forget that every relationship requires action by both parties. Darka chose to attack Lyonesse murderously. Darka chose to persuade a capital margrave to betray his realm (how interesting that its always Atanamir's character convincing others to betray their realms). Darka chose to ignore a travel treaty's discussion until the last moment when they refused to sign. Darka chose to trespass into Lyonesse. Darka chose to threaten lords within their own region to gtfo or else. Lyonesse may have been 'stupid' for not cowardly submitting, but Darka is by not means innocent - their actions led to this as much as Lyonesse's refusal to roll over.
You know what else is interesting? Gian left because he wanted some 'continental balance', ie this whole CE is the devil and should be fought idea. The *same* lord who was attacked by Darka murderously, lost his region etc. wanted to join Darka and fight CE because 'continental balance'. How does that make *any* sense?
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Someones upset? Well sarcasm is hard to convey over forums.
Think Lyonese nobles need to chill and Jaune aren't you retiring? taking it to serious, its a game you play the cards you are dealt you can fold or you can play. No matter what learn to enjoy the game.
I think Lyonese personally should of went to war with CE it would of been a better choice. I mean destruction is not wrong, but going down with the Ship does get you wet and makes it easier for the sharks to get you.
Yea, this would be the best Cassus Belli ever: "Dear CE, you have been respectful of our borders, so we're going to war with you to support the guys who attacked us in cold blood. kthxbye."
Boo! Loose ends ftw!
Yes, they were very respectfull for your borders? :D Marched through them while ruler says "Sorry, miscommunication, we turn back!" and General keeps keeping his ears closed and marches through your lands loots for day or 2 and then realizes that miscommunication and says "sowwy!". Thats good respect of borders :P Then you wonder why i dont trust if you say CE wont attack you through our lands!
this has been the most enjoyable thread for me.
i was just wondering how lyonesse was doing and now i know! Still hanging in there.
also this thread needs more Silnaria... a realm that has been holding Minas Leon at bay with no real ally support for over 4 months now. The bright side of being locked in war is that we get to skip out of this northern war, need to fight our western war, ML being nearly as strong as CE or Darka at 22 regions. this means Silnarias one of the big powers on AT, right? right?
Without breaking the new forum rules, how is Silnaria inside? Still noisy? Still idealistic?
Well Ottar isn't fully retired but he can't worj against those who make this BS-actions against Atamara so perhaps it is just best thing to give up and let our work just fell apart. There is no point to play anymore. We did played this game because we had real history.
Now we are facing huge losses beacuse of this winter is coming .And it changes too much of this game. If I keep playing perhaps it is time to change and play for Darka against CE.
I'm not quite following what you meant...
But have not seen Tara on battlereports from south ages and Carelia is at bad shape.
-Jaune