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BattleMaster => Locals => Dwilight => Topic started by: Wolfsong on November 08, 2013, 12:50:27 AM
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After Luria Nova throws eight hundred men at the walls of Qubel Lighthouse, and suffers defeat, the Southern League responds by drawing together an army of over two thousand men from three different realms. These forces charge the fortress of Port Nebel and do considerable damage, but fail to meet the last of the militia in battle after routing the present mobile forces of Luria Nova and are forced to retreat.
Here's the match up according to Statistics.
The Southern League:
Military strength: 153,442
Active nobles: 112
Food supply: +93
Economic strength: 38,730
Current population: 884,158
Luria Nova:
Military strength: 48,537
Active nobles: 48
Food supply: +1.2
Economic strength: 17,284
Current population: 477,294
Any bets on how many peasants will die by the end of this one?
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Whoop whoop, I like this war thusfar.
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Also good thread idea, as it seems to be a completely different war than the thred concerning the northern dwilight wars.
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After Luria Nova throws eight hundred men at the walls of Qubel Lighthouse, and suffers defeat, the Southern League responds by drawing together an army of over two thousand men from three different realms. These forces charge the fortress of Port Nebel and do considerable damage, but fail to meet the last of the militia in battle after routing the present mobile forces of Luria Nova and are forced to retreat.
Here's the match up according to Statistics.
The Southern League:
Military strength: 153,442
Active nobles: 112
Food supply: +93
Economic strength: 38,730
Current population: 884,158
Luria Nova:
Military strength: 48,537
Active nobles: 48
Food supply: +1.2
Economic strength: 17,284
Current population: 477,294
Any bets on how many peasants will die by the end of this one?
There are obviously realms in the great Southern League that I am not aware of, cause the military of the realms at war with Luria Nova does not equal 153k, and that is using the stats that DON'T yet show their losses from the last battle. Then again they don't show Luria Nova's losses either.
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The combined CS for Barca, D'hara & Fissoa is 88,775 (as of Oct 30th). If you add in Farronite Empire it would be 104,294 but they haven't contributed any troops to my knowledge.
Unless you're adding Morek in?
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The combined CS for Barca, D'hara & Fissoa is 88,775 (as of Oct 30th). If you add in Farronite Empire it would be 104,294 but they haven't contributed any troops to my knowledge.
Unless you're adding Morek in?
That was the only way I could figure it too. Seems a tad odd to put in a realm that hasn't officially declared war or sent troops.
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The General of the Farronite Republic is information anyone can find out in game at anytime. Its public knowledge listed on the realm information page. I don't know if there was more, but anyone playing on Dwilight can find out who.
From the realm information list, which is in character, and publicly accessible:
Current Ruler: Governor General Hireshmont II Vellos
Current General: General at Arms Paul Marlboro
Current Judge: Chief Magistrate Cadalh Jeffrey
Current Banker: Chief Merchant Khari Kye
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The General of the Farronite Republic is information anyone can find out in game at anytime. Its public knowledge listed on the realm information page. I don't know if there was more, but anyone playing on Dwilight can find out who.
From the realm information list, which is in character, and publicly accessible:
Current Ruler: Governor General Hireshmont II Vellos
Current General: General at Arms Paul Marlboro
Current Judge: Chief Magistrate Cadalh Jeffrey
Current Banker: Chief Merchant Khari Kye
Obviously there was more, and it related to in game matters that not everyone should logically be privy to.
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I saw it before the mod edit. It was about the general's personal diplomatic perspective on dwilight realm(s), not who the general was.
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Ah. Hard to tell with the way it was modded.
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Interesting.
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Ah. Hard to tell with the way it was modded.
My apologies, as that is certainly true.
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Luria Nova expands and takes over Qubel.
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Luria Nova expands and takes over Qubel.
Hmm yeah sure, "expands"
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Hmm yeah sure, "expands"
Prepare for flatulance :)
Interesting to be fighting this war against Luria Nova on foreign soil. TIL Barca is Belgium
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I'm not sure Barca is Belgium. At least not if we're talking WW2. If we're talking WW2 comparisons...
Obvious participants:
D'hara is France.
Luria Nova is Nazi Germany, obviously (we're just taking back our rightful land and reuniting Lurian peoples!)
Barca is probably Great Britain, since they've supported D'hara since the beginning of the war.
Fissoa is the United States of America, maybe? Originally neutral, later declared for the Allied powers.
Farronite Republic... hard to say right now.
No Russia, yet.
Or maybe I'm wrong. Corrections?
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FR is Canada.
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FR is Canada.
This, or Mexico.
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This, or Mexico.
Luria would have to approach FR to invade D'hara only for FR to refuse and stay neutral.
FR, like Canada, has a more "we were there too... sort of." involvement.
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If you know your history you'll know that FR isnt Canada. The only wars we werent involved in were Vietnam and Gulf War mission accomplished part II... The rest of the wars were us going in years ahead of the states and kicking ass. FR is Greenland, a small satellite kingdom of another larger kingdom with almost no military and no diplomatic policy of its own yet allows every country arpund it to station troops there.
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Sadly we lack a one province nation that was absorbed to play Belgium. My nationalism has been thoroughly stomped into the ground before getting a chance to show up ^^;
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Sadly we lack a one province nation that was absorbed to play Belgium. My nationalism has been thoroughly stomped into the ground before getting a chance to show up ^^;
Well, there used to be Myern, which was lead by a Belgian IIRC :P
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Well, there used to be Myern, which was lead by a Belgian IIRC :P
Never forget.
King was Erasel Arnel, iirc.
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Roran, all of barca is belgian people :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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If you know your history you'll know that FR isnt Canada. The only wars we werent involved in were Vietnam and Gulf War mission accomplished part II... The rest of the wars were us going in years ahead of the states and kicking ass. FR is Greenland, a small satellite kingdom of another larger kingdom with almost no military and no diplomatic policy of its own yet allows every country arpund it to station troops there.
Can you give an example of Canada "years ahead of the states and kicking ass", preferably with WW2 since that was the metaphor it was being applied to? As well, what nation is Greenland a satellite nation of? I am idiot for thinking Greenland wasn't a satellite nation for a moment, foremost Iceland but as well Scandinavia in general as that is where the people of Iceland came from IIRC.
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Can you give an example of Canada "years ahead of the states and kicking ass", preferably with WW2 since that was the metaphor it was being applied to? As well, what nation is Greenland a satellite nation of? I am idiot for thinking Greenland wasn't a satellite nation for a moment, foremost Iceland but as well Scandinavia in general as that is where the people of Iceland came from IIRC.
In both world Wars Canada entered the conflict with Britain, so years ahead of military action from the US. As well as troops for the West European and Italian fronts, they supplied quite a lot of air crew, and trained even more in Canada as part of a system to train RAF personnel away from the threat of attacks in England. I don't know about the "kicking arse" comments. Canadians have generally proven to be competent and reliable troops over the decades though.
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In both world Wars Canada entered the conflict with Britain, so years ahead of military action from the US. As well as troops for the West European and Italian fronts, they supplied quite a lot of air crew, and trained even more in Canada as part of a system to train RAF personnel away from the threat of attacks in England. I don't know about the "kicking arse" comments. Canadians have generally proven to be competent and reliable troops over the decades though.
Hmmm, thanks for letting me know. (It wasn't previously an insult towards Canada, just simply a lack of knowledge by me.) As well since you seem to know some about this, could you tell me about a major battle the Canadians took part in?
Btw, so far it seems like Swordfell would be Switzerland and Phantaria...hmmm... I don't know what Phantaria is.
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Btw, so far it seems like Swordfell would be Switzerland and Phantaria...hmmm... I don't know what Phantaria is.
Egypt.
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About the Canadians, I'll give you this link to TV tropes. It's not 100% accurate or the best wiki there is, but damn, they know how to tell a story.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/CanucksWithChinooks?from=Main.CanucksWithChinooks
Otherwise, check wikipedia.
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Hmmm, thanks for letting me know. (It wasn't previously an insult towards Canada, just simply a lack of knowledge by me.) As well since you seem to know some about this, could you tell me about a major battle the Canadians took part in?
For World War II, look up Dieppe, the liberation of the Netherlands, and of course Normandy (Juno Beach). Canada suffered relatively speaking 50% more casualties than the US in the battle of Normandy (0.15% vs 0.09% of the total country's population), although you have to take into account that the US was also present in the Pacific theatre and more present in the Italian front.
For WWI, you can look up the second battle of Ypres and Passchendaele.
Canada was also present in most (if not all) UN-approved US-backed military operations since, including Korea, the 1st Gulf war and Bosnia.
I am idiot for thinking Greenland wasn't a satellite nation for a moment, foremost Iceland but as well Scandinavia in general as that is where the people of Iceland came from IIRC.
Greenland was only a satellitle nation of Iceland in the Viking Age. All the people from that settlement probably died out in the 15th century. It was re-colonized in the 17th/18th century by Denmark.
In WWII, Greenland was US-occupied.
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Hehe during WW1 my family was forced to house German imperial troops, and later on, Canadians. :)
During WW2 my grandparents also remember it was mostly Canadians marching into Brussels. My Grandpa also remembers the day the war started like it was yesterday, German planes flying all over Belgium and bombing all the factories and railroads.
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If you know your history you'll know that FR isnt Canada. The only wars we werent involved in were Vietnam and Gulf War mission accomplished part II... The rest of the wars were us going in years ahead of the states and kicking ass. FR is Greenland, a small satellite kingdom of another larger kingdom with almost no military and no diplomatic policy of its own yet allows every country arpund it to station troops there.
Just because FR's policies does not benefit you does not mean it is non-existent. I for one am quite pleased at having helped steer FR back into the pro-SA fold.
Pro-tip: Read FR's realm summary, which was written when the duchy seceded from Astrum and has not been changed since.
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????
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Just because FR's policies does not benefit you does not mean it is non-existent. I for one am quite pleased at having helped steer FR back into the pro-SA fold.
Pro-tip: Read FR's realm summary, which was written when the duchy seceded from Astrum and has not been changed since.
Protip: read what the thread is about. Glaumring isnt involved in the war, and FR is because Khari thought declaring war without being able to fight it was a good idea. FR's invoovement has been Khari landing in Lurian territory and her unit getting anihilliated and then involvement in a failed D'haran attack on Nebel.
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Egypt.
Depending on how things swing, possibly Australia.
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This situation cannot be compared to WWII, imo.
D'Hara has a bunch of friends and allies on all sides of the wars that were raging on, and still do. Some of these were against others, some of these were against each other. Luria Nova, on the other side, was allied with nations who were allied to realms that ended up declaring war on them (FR). One could not simply make up a list of involved realms and class them into two categories. Each nation has their own regional interests and continental interests, which often are in contradiction.
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Depending on how things swing, possibly Australia.
I actually put some thought into this one. Like Egypt, they just came out of a revolution a few years before the war, and they are nominally with the Allies but they have contributed no significant aid to their cause.
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Protip: read what the thread is about. Glaumring isnt involved in the war, and FR is because Khari thought declaring war without being able to fight it was a good idea. FR's invoovement has been Khari landing in Lurian territory and her unit getting anihilliated and then involvement in a failed D'haran attack on Nebel.
Wasn't it Vellos that actually declared war?
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Wasn't it Vellos that actually declared war?
Nope, Khari. Waaay back. Before Barca had declared even.
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My bad, I must be thinking about that message to the rulers channel you put out a while back.
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Suzerain Emperor Seoras is our neutralist leader Paul von Hindenburg
Aldrakar Renodin is Walther von Reichenau
Ronan Maelodor is Gerd von Rundstedt
Lucini is Heinrich Himmler
Amyclas is either Werner von Blomberg for being caught in conspiracy with Jonsu, or Erich von Manstein for his treatment of his enemies as well as youth, brilliance, and good looks!
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If Lucini is Himmler, and Seoras is Hindenburg... who does that make Hrok?
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Albert Speer?
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If Lucini is Himmler, and Seoras is Hindenburg... who does that make Hrok?
Have you been blaming all of Luria's issues, especially economic on the D'Harans?
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Have you been blaming all of Luria's issues, especially economic on the D'Harans?
Like we admit we have issues, that is silly. The superior Race of the Lurians have no issues.
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Like we admit we have issues, that is silly. The superior Race of the Lurians have no issues.
Of course none now witht third Lurian Empire but I think you would agree before the forming of the empire there were some issues.
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Of course none now witht third Lurian Empire but I think you would agree before the forming of the empire there were some issues.
Never, the perfect Race has always been perfect. Evidence to the contrary was a simple ruse to deceive our non-perfect enemies.
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We should put this chosen race in enclosed areas.
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We should put this chosen race in enclosed areas.
So long as it is the PERFECT enclosed area. We have some ideas of this area, for example all of Dwilight would be absolutely perfect
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So long as it is the PERFECT enclosed area. We have some ideas of this area, for example all of Dwilight would be absolutely perfect
Except for the Zuma lands! We wuv the Zuma! :-*
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Except for the Zuma lands! We wuv the Zuma! :-*
Indeed, we recognise the Zuma as another Perfect race.
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Let's call this place Out-With.
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And build large bonfires for them as a token of our appreciation.
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Indeed, we recognise the Zuma as another Perfect race.
If the Zuma are perfect, how can the Lurians be perfect, as being so different from each other?
Nope, Khari. Waaay back. Before Barca had declared even.
True. We were quite late with declaring war. We were still at war with Aurvandil.
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If the Zuma are perfect, how can the Lurians be perfect, as being so different from each other?
True. We were quite late with declaring war. We were still at war with Aurvandil.
Needing to ask only demonstrates your own lack of perfection.
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Have you been blaming all of Luria's issues, especially economic on the D'Harans?
Nah, I've been blaming them on overexpansion.
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Nah, I've been blaming them on overexpansion.
Overexpansion sounds like a great way to justify a war of expansion.
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Maybe they theorize that if you expand far enough, the problems with over-expansion go away. Kind of like if you starve enough, then the problems created by starvation go away. You'll be dead, but at least you won't have any more problems.
But really, does any realm have problems with over-expansion these days? Look at Sirion and Perdan on EC. They're just ridiculous...
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Maybe they theorize that if you expand far enough, the problems with over-expansion go away. Kind of like if you starve enough, then the problems created by starvation go away. You'll be dead, but at least you won't have any more problems.
But really, does any realm have problems with over-expansion these days? Look at Sirion and Perdan on EC. They're just ridiculous...
Depends. If you are expanding into rural, not so much. If you are expanding into Cities and Townland when you only just manage to feed the regions you have, well sir you have a problem. It is not a problem of our making mind you, see my above comments about being perfect.
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I believe the Farronite Republic will not send military aid to D'Hara any more, looking at what happened. But seriously, what did actually happen besides the obvious? Why?
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Too few nobles for too many regions, apparently, though I'm surprised anyone would give up so readily.
Which is depressing, because most realms on Dwilight have about as many nobles as regions... The wars apparently did little to improve the situation.
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It's even worse... you have wars, you have lands to take... but no one to take care of the new lands.
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Everybody's whinging about Astrum starving itself into submission, but nobody mentions our little siege down south.
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Probably because it was the hundreth try, and the rest of the continent got tired of waiting long before it happened. :P
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It was only the third try, wasn't it?
Also of note, Luria Nova lost control of Giask - from the look of things.
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It was only the third try, wasn't it?
Also of note, Luria Nova lost control of Giask - from the look of things.
Yea, sounds like everyone's doing that these days, looks like the hip thing to do.
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So... He who controls the food controls Dwilight?
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Yea, sounds like everyone's doing that these days, looks like the hip thing to do.
I guess we're not hip... :'(
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I guess we're not hip... :'(
Asylon always has been the black sheep.
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So... He who controls the food controls Dwilight?
The blood moon fruit must flow!
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Phrasing.
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Asylon always has been the black sheep.
Black sheep... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNcDC8wJiRE
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After the third siege on Port Nebel, D'Hara has finally been able to reclaim Port Nebel! ;D
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After the third siege on Port Nebel, D'Hara has finally been able to reclaim Port Nebel! ;D
What I find hillareous is that the traitor Rurik is now apparently getting his due by being betrayed himself by the people he betrayed D'Hara to. The fool was condemning us and priasing Luria... taste the true honor of your masters.
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After the third siege on Port Nebel, D'Hara has finally been able to reclaim Port Nebel! ;D
When I started playing in D'Hara, Port Nebel had 30,000 inhabitants. My mind is blown looking at region details and seeing only 700 people left in the city. The true scope of damage to Nebel with this invasion is pretty staggering.
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When I started playing in D'Hara, Port Nebel had 30,000 inhabitants. My mind is blown looking at region details and seeing only 700 people left in the city. The true scope of damage to Nebel with this invasion is pretty staggering.
Does anyone still have a copy of Rurik's treachery letter? Didn't it have something to do with the welfare of the people of Port Nebel...
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Does anyone still have a copy of Rurik's treachery letter? Didn't it have something to do with the welfare of the people of Port Nebel...
I don't have a copy of the letter, but it did include something along the lines of "Our banker telling me my region would have to starve, and would be the last to receive food was unacceptable."
Then drought hit Luria :p
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Indeed, the foremost reason for leaving is because D'Hara would be unable to feed the people of Port Nebel. However, I believe it had a better chance in D'Hara with Barcan food.
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Really? I don't remember it being about food at all, I just recall the spout about how we were obsessed with making Luria bad guys and how they were really good guys and everything was really our fault for not being nicer to them.
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Really? I don't remember it being about food at all, I just recall the spout about how we were obsessed with making Luria bad guys and how they were really good guys and everything was really our fault for not being nicer to them.
Well you are known for your obsession with transforming Luria into bad guys, and transforming anyone who disagrees with you on that in your mind into bad guys. Food was definitely mentioned, I masterminded the whole thing since before I left D'hara.
Barcan food would have saved Port Nebel, but it hadn't been pledged to D'hara at the time Port Nebel defected, and at the time Port Nebel defected Luria hadn't been ravaged quite so hard by drought.
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In any case, Rurik too a high-risk gamble and ended up losing. War is such a lovely thing!
How many months would it take to restore Port Nebel back to old population level?
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In any case, Rurik too a high-risk gamble and ended up losing. War is such a lovely thing!
How many months would it take to restore Port Nebel back to old population level?
Months? Try years...
Worth it if feeding it caused LN to suffer a similar loss in Giask, imo.
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Months? Try years...
Worth it if feeding it caused LN to suffer a similar loss in Giask, imo.
It isn't the cause. I won't go into depth, but the acquisition of Port Nebel should not have caused Giask to starve. I'm unsure of how it happened, but Giask was always prioritized. I laughed out loud when I saw it had revolted.
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How many months would it take to restore Port Nebel back to old population level?
After Allison sat on GF and starved it before leaving, it was at 30K (down from 60K) and it took about a year to get it back to where it was. So, probably longer than that.
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After Allison sat on GF and starved it before leaving, it was at 30K (down from 60K) and it took about a year to get it back to where it was. So, probably longer than that.
I remember that. Probably because I was the one left with the mess afterwards...
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After Allison sat on GF and starved it before leaving, it was at 30K (down from 60K) and it took about a year to get it back to where it was. So, probably longer than that.
The big problems with GF is that *everything around it* starved, too. If *only* Giask starved, then it should recover much faster due to immigration.
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After Allison sat on GF and starved it before leaving, it was at 30K (down from 60K) and it took about a year to get it back to where it was. So, probably longer than that.
Whoa whoa whoa... that isn't how that went down. GF starved well well after Allison left and you guys founded Farronite.
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The big problems with GF is that *everything around it* starved, too. If *only* Giask starved, then it should recover much faster due to immigration.
Oh, I thought we were talking about Port Nebel. Having visited the area fairly recently, it's butts all the way down on that island, with the city itself at, what was it, 700 out of 30K max.
Whoa whoa whoa... that isn't how that went down. GF starved well well after Allison left and you guys founded Farronite.
That's not... entirely accurate either, but part of it was due to your account getting locked so it wasn't like you could've done much to prevent it after a certain point.
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That's not... entirely accurate either, but part of it was due to your account getting locked so it wasn't like you could've done much to prevent it after a certain point.
My account was locked for 3 days. On top of which I didn't lose my position because of my account being locked. I stayed on as Duchess for a few days at the very least after that. I stayed on as Duchess until after taxes. If the city was starving there wouldn't have been any taxes for me to collect.
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Oh, I thought we were talking about Port Nebel. Having visited the area fairly recently, it's butts all the way down on that island, with the city itself at, what was it, 700 out of 30K max.
I think I was thinking about the wrong starvation incident. :) Ignore that part of my comment. All I was trying to say is that if *only* Giask starved, and the surrounding regions did not, then recovery should be fairly quick due to immigration.
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I think I was thinking about the wrong starvation incident. :) Ignore that part of my comment. All I was trying to say is that if *only* Giask starved, and the surrounding regions did not, then recovery should be fairly quick due to immigration.
Giask connects to Port Nebel (horribly starved), its doughnut, and Askileon. I'm guessing that if Giask was allowed to starve itself rogue, Askileon probably doesn't have huge reserves either...
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*Alaster sails to the shores of Luria. Upon making it to the beach he squats down and drops a deuce on the beach. He then climbs back into the boat and heads out to sea. Shaking his fist at the shore*
"Up yours Luria! I was accused of being a Lurian. I felt it was such and insult I came all the way here to tell you how I felt about it. "
Somehow I was recently mistaken for being a Lurian because I badmouthed D'hara. I can't stand either of you! But now I am curious to see what is going on. Any non sensitive updates to this war?
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Even Alaster doesn't deserve to be called that. Such a terrible word. :p
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But now I am curious to see what is going on. Any non sensitive updates to this war?
It quiet. Too quiet. ;)
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We're all leering at each other curiously wondering what's going on.
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Cold War time?
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The North is the third-world, where the real powers lug out their battles through proxies. ;)
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Seems that Asylon and Morek signed peace treaty, also i have heard stories about Asylon being new best buds with Luria. Can we expect Asylon involvement in the Southern war? Thoughts?
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I know what Asylon will do. =)
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Side with the big guys while claiming to be out there to fend for the little guys, as always. Just like when they ganked Astrum with a huge coalition for no reason, or when they sided with the blatant multies in Aurvandil to sneak attack Terran's flank.
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Asylon, always so loved...
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Just like when they ganked Astrum with a huge coalition for no reason
Poor little-bitty Astrum, if only they'd had some kind of federation with the largest realm on Dwilight. ::)
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Side with the big guys while claiming to be out there to fend for the little guys, as always. Just like when they ganked Astrum with a huge coalition for no reason, or when they sided with the blatant multies in Aurvandil to sneak attack Terran's flank.
Ya'll made the rules, time and time again I called for smaller kingdoms and alliances and now when everything I predicted has come to true you all cry once you realize how horrible it is to be subjected to to be steam-rolled by huge alliances and kingdoms ( edited for clarification )Asylon is everything you despise and fear balled up into one giant kingdom wrecking ball...
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Poor little-bitty Astrum, if only they'd had some kind of federation with the largest realm on Dwilight. ::)
I know poor Astrum the largest , richest and most powerful army on Dwilight allied to another huge rich and powerful kingdom of Morek and mediocre Corsanctum to tow along. To be beaten by two poor , weaker armies... Its the saddest day ever.
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If only our ally hadn't been totally lame. :(
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Side with the big guys while claiming to be out there to fend for the little guys, as always. Just like when they ganked Astrum with a huge coalition for no reason, or when they sided with the blatant multies in Aurvandil to sneak attack Terran's flank.
(http://static4.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Well+what+else+where+you+expecting.+Seriously+_c7c6385795997f998e527c759f48e29b.jpeg)
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Ya'll made the rules, time and time again I called for smaller kingdoms and alliances and now when everything I predicted has come to true you all cry once you realize how horrible it is to be subjected to it.
Your calls for "smaller kingdoms and alliances" were allegedly for the aim of making things more fun, so if you're trying to prove how fun it all is, pointing out that it's "horrible" isn't really a winning argument.
And also all this OOC bragging is nauseating and off putting. What is this, Forum Master?
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Since when is this thread about the northern war?
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Luria Nova's allied with Asylon.
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I know. But that doesn't change much, does it?
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I know. But that doesn't change much, does it?
Doesn't it, if they sign peace with the northern realms?
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Doesn't it, if they sign peace with the northern realms?
Currently Asylon is only at war with Corsanctum, but peace will be signed soon I belive.
And yes, Asylon is allied with Luria Nova...
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Your calls for "smaller kingdoms and alliances" were allegedly for the aim of making things more fun, so if you're trying to prove how fun it all is, pointing out that it's "horrible" isn't really a winning argument.
And also all this OOC bragging is nauseating and off putting. What is this, Forum Master?
How horrible it is to be a small kingdom totally smashed by a huge 45 noble realm? Yeah it is horrible and our current system and players condone it . My idea was 5 to 10 player team kingdoms , what we have now is !@#$. Oh well this is what you wanted!
I'm liking beating you at your own game, I think we are going to get bigger and wipe out every small kingdom around us because 'fun' ! Western continent will be known as Asylonland.
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Western continent will be known as Asylonland.
Nay, Asylonia, continent of wild bears and bloodmoonjuice! ;)
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I like the second part of Asylonia, the bloodmoonjuice. ;D
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How horrible it is to be a small kingdom totally smashed by a huge 45 noble realm? Yeah it is horrible and our current system and players condone it . My idea was 5 to 10 player team kingdoms , what we have now is !@#$. Oh well this is what you wanted!
I'm liking beating you at your own game, I think we are going to get bigger and wipe out every small kingdom around us because 'fun' ! Western continent will be known as Asylonland.
Did I say anything about being a small kingdom "totally smashed" by a "huge 45 noble realm" being "horrible?" Since when is any of this "my own game" or "what I wanted?" Who do you think you're talking to?
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Moderator Note: Tone it down a bit, things are starting to get overly personal. Everyone here should be able to have a calm discussion and if they can't they need to leave the thread until they can.
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I have de-crapified some of this thread. Keep it civil or keep it to yourself.
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So here we are, still leering at one another. The recent monster incursions have really given us something to do, though.
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I just unpaused and have received the first monster report, and I was like wtf.
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Here's a tidbit for discussion then. Machiavel offered ceasefire to Seoras who initially rejected it, but after a night's reflection under the stars, Seoras accepted ceasefire with neither side to concede any points. D'hara's Prime Minister Ellyn then rejected it. Leering across the seas continue.
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What effects would Asylon have on the war if they decided to involve themselves? Can Southern League defend against both Luria Nova and Asylon?
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Would that mean D'hara+Barca+Fissoa vs Luria and Asylon?
If so:
I belive that the vast savage horde that is Asylons army would swarm down south and burn every D'haran province on the western continent and drive them off the western continent, back to their islands.
Then Barca and Asylon would be trading blows with eachoter for a while, but in the end I am betting on my realm in that scrap. As we would strike into Barca and burn whatever we find, then retreat back north of the Moot River and hold that chokepoint as we refit and then lash out again...
But all of that is just "what if" from my point of view...
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Actually, there are gentleman agreements in place that keep Luria Nova and most other realms involved from attacking one another... So were Asylon to involve itself, the Southern League would actually have somewhere to fight outside of D'hara without breaking any agreements. The Southern League could largely ignore Luria Nova, unless that realm decided to be dishonourable and break their treaties, and send everything to smack Asylon, though they'd suffer some distance penalties I think.
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Actually, there are gentleman agreements in place that keep Luria Nova and most other realms involved from attacking one another... So were Asylon to involve itself, the Southern League would actually have somewhere to fight outside of D'hara without breaking any agreements. The Southern League could largely ignore Luria Nova, unless that realm decided to be dishonourable and break their treaties, and send everything to smack Asylon, though they'd suffer some distance penalties I think.
Yay, finally on the offensive?
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...though they'd suffer some distance penalties I think.
Aye, for example Asylon suffered large penalties going deep into Astrum, half morale gone. Barca would feel something similar once they reach Asylonian land, and Fissoa would have it even worse...
Ofc Asylon would face the same dilemma if it pushed to far south. So stalemates would be expected.
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I think there is quite a gap between
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Hey ruler of Luria Nova, I officially invite you, on behalf of my realm and all of the Southern League, to sign a treaty of peace!
Especially since Luria Nova proposed to end hostilities, but in no way demonstrated how doing so would in any way help to achieve anything against Jonsu. And considering that Machiavel isn't a ruler in a republican multi-faith realm and how that message was sent pretty quickly after the incident occurred, seemed obvious at the time that nothing formal was being offered.
Sure, Machiavel could have fought harder to have the peace pass, but he also had other things on his mind...
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Just saying Chenier, you are a King and ambassador, so when you suggest something it seems like you are talking for D'hara.
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Just saying Chenier, you are a King and ambassador, so when you suggest something it seems like you are talking for D'hara.
Sounds like a reasonable assumption, but then we know those islanders are far from reasonable. I hear they even eat FISH.
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When an ambassador comes to me immediately after a huge event, I don't assume he's had the time to hash out the idea with the rest of the realm, and that realm with the rest of its allies.
I'll grant that the letter wasn't overly explicit, but can't say I expected that reaction either. Luria's always been touting about being a multi-faith realm where astroist leaders do stuff against SA interests, and D'Hara has a large portion of non-SA nobles as well, whatever goes on in SA is of no obvious interest to most nobles of both realms.
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When an ambassador comes to me immediately after a huge event, I don't assume he's had the time to hash out the idea with the rest of the realm, and that realm with the rest of its allies.
I'll grant that the letter wasn't overly explicit, but can't say I expected that reaction either. Luria's always been touting about being a multi-faith realm where astroist leaders do stuff against SA interests, and D'Hara has a large portion of non-SA nobles as well, whatever goes on in SA is of no obvious interest to most nobles of both realms.
When an ambassador is throwing out ideas, they generally qualify that it is the case. Ambassadors/Diplomats live by words, it is their domain. They understand influence, inference and impressions. If I was the Lurian party in this, I would strongly believe it was Machiavel's intention to deliberately mislead me as to the status the proposal. It would be unthinkable that any diplomat skilled enough to be raised to ambassador has not learnt to say "This proposal has not yet been put to the realm and is not official" when starting discussions.
Any ambassador that is relying on the other parties assumptions to pass on such information is a rank novice. Its called qualifying your position, it is quite a useful concept.
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Also, misunderstandings are the bread and butter of this game. Without them, we would be at perpetual peace. There's no point in arguing whose 'fault' it is.
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Also, misunderstandings are the bread and butter of this game. Without them, we would be at perpetual peace. There's no point in arguing whose 'fault' it is.
That is silly. If you don't apportion blame how will it ever evolve into conflict?
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That is silly. If you don't apportion blame how will it ever evolve into conflict?
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I agree you're right, but you should be doing that IC. There's no need for OOC conflict here.
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I agree you're right, but you should be doing that IC. There's no need for OOC conflict here.
It is banter. If it was conflict I would be flinging childish names about.
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Actually, there are gentleman agreements in place that keep Luria Nova and most other realms involved from attacking one another... So were Asylon to involve itself, the Southern League would actually have somewhere to fight outside of D'hara without breaking any agreements.
Not entirely sure how we conclude the fighting happens outside of D'hara considering the agreements were for LN, Barca, Fissoa to not trespass into each other's lands. I would think that fighting would therefore happen upon d'haran land, though since Asylon has not signed any such agreement they would be within their rights to attack where they please if they so chose.
I think there is quite a gap between
And
Especially since Luria Nova proposed to end hostilities, but in no way demonstrated how doing so would in any way help to achieve anything against Jonsu. And considering that Machiavel isn't a ruler in a republican multi-faith realm and how that message was sent pretty quickly after the incident occurred, seemed obvious at the time that nothing formal was being offered.
Sure, Machiavel could have fought harder to have the peace pass, but he also had other things on his mind...
I suppose, from Seoras's context he's seen D'hara's prime minister write letters about how the King runs D'hara and she's just a pretty face, so he took Machiavel's word a bit more seriously.
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Not entirely sure how we conclude the fighting happens outside of D'hara considering the agreements were for LN, Barca, Fissoa to not trespass into each other's lands. I would think that fighting would therefore happen upon d'haran land, though since Asylon has not signed any such agreement they would be within their rights to attack where they please if they so chose.
I suppose, from Seoras's context he's seen D'hara's prime minister write letters about how the King runs D'hara and she's just a pretty face, so he took Machiavel's word a bit more seriously.
Really? Sometimes it feels like Machiavel needs to ask the House of Lords permission just to take a bath if he doesn't want the Prime Minister to throw a hissy fit. :P
Besides, he's too busy rising futile riots in Niselur to bother himself with secular politics right now.
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Really? Sometimes it feels like Machiavel needs to ask the House of Lords permission just to take a bath if he doesn't want the Prime Minister to throw a hissy fit. :P
Joyous incompatible government system miscommunications! Darn republicans pretending to have kings.
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Joyous incompatible government system miscommunications! Darn republicans pretending to have kings.
Indeed. And Machiavel's too busy venting the death of his wife by rising mobs in Niselur to care about clarifying any of that or otherwise tending to political affairs.
A pity priest actions suck, though, and even going to a monster-infested region at occupied settings, and constantly causing unrest, does nothing more than merely maintain the region at occupied instead of letting it go back up. So anti-climactic.
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Indeed. And Machiavel's too busy venting the death of his wife by rising mobs in Niselur to care about clarifying any of that or otherwise tending to political affairs.
I was literally "this" close to writing an in depth RP about Selenia's death being foul play, launching a series of conspiracy RP's that would rock through D'Hara.
Unfortunately, work got in the way :-p
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I was literally "this" close to writing an in depth RP about Selenia's death being foul play, launching a series of conspiracy RP's that would rock through D'Hara.
Unfortunately, work got in the way :-p
Not too late, I didn't RP anything. None did, as far as I know. Feel free to write something up.
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Not too late, I didn't RP anything. None did, as far as I know. Feel free to write something up.
Maybe. Rynn has not even been IN D'Hara since that occurred. So much for the war :-p
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Maybe. Rynn has not even been IN D'Hara since that occurred. So much for the war :-p
Neither has Machiavel. :P
You have my full blessings to RP whatever you feel would be most suiting. Machiavel blames it on Jonsu's witchcraft anyways, regardless of what reality would be.
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Monarchy is the only way to go. You start giving nobles actual power, and they devolve into a bickering, impotent legislative body.
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Monarchy is the only way to go. You start giving nobles actual power, and they devolve into a bickering, impotent legislative body.
Only when things go wrong.
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Only when things go right.
Fixed that for you.
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That doesn't apply in Barca. We are doing great and the Senate is a cohesive body.
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That doesn't apply in Barca. We are doing great and the Senate is a cohesive body.
I'm in Barca, lol. Besides, I was just joking around.
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Republics suck and archers are for wimps!
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Republics suck and archers are for wimps!
LOL, that's what MI is for. Enough range to not smell monsters' breathe, a fierce hand-to-hand looking to silence any accusing comment about one's manhood.
And if you can't choose if you want whether a republic or a monarchy, you can be like D'Hara and have both of them! ;D
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LOL, that's what MI is for. Enough range to not smell monsters' breathe, a fierce hand-to-hand looking to silence any accusing comment about one's manhood.
And if you can't choose if you want whether a republic or a monarchy, you can be like D'Hara and have both of them! ;D
Indeed, I get the vanity title, and can wash off all responsbilities for anything that goes wrong! Hurray!
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Indeed, I get the vanity title, and can wash off all responsbilities for anything that goes wrong! Hurray!
I wouldn't say you have no responsibility, as it's been mentioned more than once by people of D'hara's suffered military competence due to the lack of a general. (The responsibility is proving D'hara's military can be run fine without a military leader.)
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I wouldn't say you have no responsibility, as it's been mentioned more than once by people of D'hara's suffered military competence due to the lack of a general. (The responsibility is proving D'hara's military can be run fine without a military leader.)
And if there's one thing the people of D'hara can't stand, it's military competence. :P
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No one can stand military incompetence.
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No one can stand military incompetence.
It makes everyone feel miserable.
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Especially when you misread the witty quip.
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And if there's one thing the people of D'hara can't stand, it's military competence. :P
Sounds about right to me.
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I offered to take on the judge position instead, but the current judge didn't like the idea very much.
I still believe that a general is just a vanity title anyways. It comes with nearly no buttons to push. And all military activity is discussed in message groups or guilds. The only advantages of a general, the peer-to-peer channel, is thus negated by this.
If people are unsatisfied with the performances of the military, I doubt they would be any more satisfied if you took the same marshals and named one of them as general.
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I offered to take on the judge position instead, but the current judge didn't like the idea very much.
I still believe that a general is just a vanity title anyways. It comes with nearly no buttons to push. And all military activity is discussed in message groups or guilds. The only advantages of a general, the peer-to-peer channel, is thus negated by this.
If people are unsatisfied with the performances of the military, I doubt they would be any more satisfied if you took the same marshals and named one of them as general.
I am against wasting any council positions, I think 1 or 2 official titles with no button pushing pore should be allowed.
The general has more advantages than just communication to message groups. He receives an overview of the armies, can disband militia, transfer militia to nobles, and most importantly is his authority.
Official power over the armies allows the general to create strategies for wars with armies doing different things, working towards that strategy if there are enough nobles for two offensive armies. Still the general can do strategy with one army but it's less complex. The marshals job is to take care of the details with things like line settings and formations.
As to the military performance not increasing if there is a general vs just the marshals, I need to go to bed so I am going to keep it short and say I am in both D'hara's military council and Carelia's, as well as in the realm of Arcaea so I know that general makes a big difference.
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I am against wasting any council positions, I think 1 or 2 official titles with no button pushing pore should be allowed.
The general has more advantages than just communication to message groups. He receives an overview of the armies, can disband militia, transfer militia to nobles, and most importantly is his authority.
Official power over the armies allows the general to create strategies for wars with armies doing different things, working towards that strategy if there are enough nobles for two offensive armies. Still the general can do strategy with one army but it's less complex. The marshals job is to take care of the details with things like line settings and formations.
As to the military performance not increasing if there is a general vs just the marshals, I need to go to bed so I am going to keep it short and say I am in both D'hara's military council and Carelia's, as well as in the realm of Arcaea so I know that general makes a big difference.
Overview of the armies: we never had more than 1 army attacking, our second army was always destined for homeland defense, mostly against rogues (no need for coordination), and mostly (historically) filled with slackers. The marshal of the main army had all that he needed.
disband militia: That can be done upon request, and can also be done by the lord. It's rarely a thing that needs to be done, and it's rarely anyone else than an overburdened lord who will do it.
assign militia: that can also be done upon request, but doing so cost money (therefore not really any more effective than recruiting) and the units we want are often not available for assignment.
official power over the armies: none has it more than the marshal. If there's just one army going abroad, then there's really no point in having someone tell the marshal what to do and making him a rubber-stamper.
The only times where the general powers can really be useful are in the case of a rebellion. Kinda makes sense that the monarch gets a special loyalty bonus when civil war strikes, no?
As for military performance, it's all about involvement. You need someone to involve himself fully. Maybe in Carelia, that's the general. In Enweil, for a long time (and successful enough streak), that was me as marshal (before I went on vacation and then everything went irreparably downhill). It's all about the dynamics of the realm. In Enweil, Nicolas didn't care one bit for the general, they were outright hostile to each other, and so he assumed full sovereignty over the forces he commanded. He basically was the general. In D'Hara, the dynamics aren't the same. The main marshal is reluctant to do so. He wants the comfort of the title or of someone assuming the title. Maybe it would help D'Hara's military performances if we were to have an active general. But that's just player dynamics. It's not necessary in all realms. And would D'Hara's republican nature even support the traditional authoritative general type? Everyone always wants to have their say in everything. Too much initiative, by anyone over anything, is usually frowned at by someone somewhere. If we had a general who cared more to involve himself, but would still be accountable either to the military table, the house of lords, and/or the prime minister, are we really any better off?
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The general's position can be anywhere from symbolic to extremely powerful. The difference lays in the philosophy and support given by the realm. Some realms invest great powers in the general, some don't. And some generals themselves play either way.
This is no different than rulers in republics who claim that they can't do anything without a vote in the council. Fontan's ruler used to claim that he had no power, and that all he did was push buttons as directed by the council. And that he had no responsibilities internal to the realm. i.e. that he was a functionary who's only responsibility was foreign policy and relations.
Compare this to judges who do nothing except as directed by the ruler. Sure they have lots of game mechanics power, but the realm/players dictate that the judge exists only to rubber stamp the ruler's declarations.
Any government position is this way. They have the power and authority that the players in the realm give them. Anyone who thinks otherwise will find themselves either a completely ineffectual bench warmer, or quickly protested out of office.
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The general's position can be anywhere from symbolic to extremely powerful. The difference lays in the philosophy and support given by the realm. Some realms invest great powers in the general, some don't. And some generals themselves play either way.
This is no different than rulers in republics who claim that they can't do anything without a vote in the council. Fontan's ruler used to claim that he had no power, and that all he did was push buttons as directed by the council. And that he had no responsibilities internal to the realm. i.e. that he was a functionary who's only responsibility was foreign policy and relations.
Compare this to judges who do nothing except as directed by the ruler. Sure they have lots of game mechanics power, but the realm/players dictate that the judge exists only to rubber stamp the ruler's declarations.
Any government position is this way. They have the power and authority that the players in the realm give them. Anyone who thinks otherwise will find themselves either a completely ineffectual bench warmer, or quickly protested out of office.
True, but rulers and judges wield actual and unquestionable power. As do bankers, now that they can toy with regions' warehouses. The button-smashing powers of the general exist, but are considerably limited in scope.
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True, but rulers and judges wield actual and unquestionable power. As do bankers, now that they can toy with regions' warehouses. The button-smashing powers of the general exist, but are considerably limited in scope.
With bankers, they only have as much power as given because each lord has to choose to give access, and thus it's power surrendered, not simply control.
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I offered to take on the judge position instead, but the current judge didn't like the idea very much.
I still believe that a general is just a vanity title anyways. It comes with nearly no buttons to push. And all military activity is discussed in message groups or guilds. The only advantages of a general, the peer-to-peer channel, is thus negated by this.
If people are unsatisfied with the performances of the military, I doubt they would be any more satisfied if you took the same marshals and named one of them as general.
As you know Chenier, I disagree 100%, and don't appreciate the insult packed in.
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A generals power/effectiveness is measured purely in the speed and accuracy by which his/her orders are obeyed. D'Hara's attitude in this regard is infamously nonchalant. In fact, we'eve often seen our Prime Ministers take over-all military command.
Could the General seat be more valuable? Yes. Is it? No.
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A generals power/effectiveness is measured purely in the speed and accuracy by which his/her orders are obeyed. D'Hara's attitude in this regard is infamously nonchalant. In fact, we'eve often seen our Prime Ministers take over-all military command.
Could the General seat be more valuable? Yes. Is it? No.
A horrible place to be a general of it seems. I've actually never experienced a realm where a ruler takes over completely but I can see how stressful it would be to deal with that.
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Chénier's right in the sense that the powers given to the position of General are not what they used to be. The General has fewer levers of power to pull that are backed by game mechanics. That can be seen as either a demotion or an opportunity. Banker has followed a similar path over time. Both probably ceded most of these code-backed powers (or button factor) to Dukes.
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I offered to take on the judge position instead, but the current judge didn't like the idea very much.
I still believe that a general is just a vanity title anyways.
I believe it was the former judge who was against it. Or maybe both. But I do know it was the former judge who declared "over my dead body." I find your frustration with the lack of actual power amusing as the whole reason the position was given to you was because there was no official power. We needed a figure head position for a figure head.
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I believe it was the former judge who was against it. Or maybe both. But I do know it was the former judge who declared "over my dead body." I find your frustration with the lack of actual power amusing as the whole reason the position was given to you was because there was no official power. We needed a figure head position for a figure head.
I don't mind that the general has little IG powers. It's indeed my main argument for why sacrificing the position is no big deal.
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Player of Aldrakar here (Luria Nova general)
I think the position of General is quite a difficult one in the sense that you need the support and are dependant on the Marshals of the various Armies. If you can get them behind you the position is very powerful. If you have the support of the Ruler that power (read influence) exponentionally grows.
As a General I find little use in the game mechanical powers attribited to the position but the innert influence it grands is great. I've seen how the General in CE (atamara) take full control, as in, give every order to every army to the entire realm, every single day.
This modus renders the position of Marshal Mute in my mind, hence I don't like to operate that way. If the realms sees a red message from the General it means business, otherwise it would come from the Marshals themselves.
It's not just a power position but one that enables, a general must enable the marshals who in turn must enable the Vice Marshals, etc etc. You all work together to create fun, shared responsibility and ultimately towards the same goal.
Take note that my experience as a General stems from being in an Imperialistic realm where power is quite centralized (to some extend of course).