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BattleMaster => Case Archives => Questions & Answers => Topic started by: Bendix on November 18, 2013, 12:32:47 AM
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A player in my realm has been continuously pestering other players to discuss IC information with him OOC, despite repeated requests from other players (including the ruler) that he stop. His OOC messages are starting to flood the realm channel, and it is making it difficult to play the game. The difference between IC and OOC has been explained to this person multiple times, yet he persists, insisting that he is doing nothing wrong.
I am not sure how to proceed at this point. I don't want anyone to get in trouble, I just want everyone to comply with the Roleplaying guidelines.
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If you believe his solicitation of OOC coordination impedes gameplay or violates the social contract and he hasn't responded to reasonably in-game measures, I'd say you could open a Magistrate case. However, I would urge you to send him a short-but-substantive OOC message privately first explaining your concerns in a polite and concise way, especially if it's a new player.
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If you believe his solicitation of OOC coordination impedes gameplay or violates the social contract and he hasn't responded to reasonably in-game measures, I'd say you could open a Magistrate case. However, I would urge you to send him a short-but-substantive OOC message privately first explaining your concerns in a polite and concise way, especially if it's a new player.
Read the other thread. Apparently multiple people have spoken to the player, to no avail.
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Would this be a legitimate use of an OOC ban?
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Would this be a legitimate use of an OOC ban?
There is no legitimate use of an OOC ban that the Titans are not better suited to handling.
In this case, it would be a hopeless overreaction, and probably cause this player to leave the game, when all he really needs is a gentle talking-to.
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There is no legitimate use of an OOC ban that the Titans are not better suited to handling.
Wait, what? :o Are you saying that the OOC ban button is just a bait to lure unsuspecting rulers into a trap? If Titans are better suited in all case, why not just redirect the OOC ban to the Titan page?
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Wait, what? :o Are you saying that the OOC ban button is just a bait to lure unsuspecting rulers into a trap? If Titans are better suited in all case, why not just redirect the OOC ban to the Titan page?
Because I haven't (to my recollection) gotten Tom's explicit approval to do so.
The Titans didn't become an accepted way to resolve issues between players until well after the OOC ban option was added. It is important to remember that Back In The Day, rulers were pretty much supposed to police their own realms for things like multicheaters and bug exploiters. The OOC ban was, at the time, a useful and important tool for that...but the Titans are way, way better.
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Because I haven't (to my recollection) gotten Tom's explicit approval to do so.
The Titans didn't become an accepted way to resolve issues between players until well after the OOC ban option was added. It is important to remember that Back In The Day, rulers were pretty much supposed to police their own realms for things like multicheaters and bug exploiters. The OOC ban was, at the time, a useful and important tool for that...but the Titans are way, way better.
Ok. That makes sense, it's just new to me.
I edited the wiki to make this clearer; feel free to correct to clarifiy further if it's needed.
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Ban
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There is no legitimate use of an OOC ban that the Titans are not better suited to handling.
I wouldn't say that. I think I've seen two valid OOC bans in the past 7.5 years that were quite appropriate. Both involved extremely inappropriate behavior on the part of the target that deserved quick and decisive action. You can couple that with a Titans report to begin the process of a more permanent solution.
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Well then, if he's ben repeatedly and politely spoken to on the issue and you feel it is negatively impacting your game experience in a way that breaks the social contract, feel free to bring a case. I do hope the player has been contact in a polite an private way beforehand, however, especially if he/she is new.
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Well then, if he's ben repeatedly and politely spoken to on the issue and you feel it is negatively impacting your game experience in a way that breaks the social contract, feel free to bring a case. I do hope the player has been contact in a polite an private way beforehand, however, especially if he/she is new.
I attempted to contact this player to politely explain why the behavior was not appropriate, but in response the player posted the private conversation, along with their rebuttal, to the entire realm.
However, I agree completely with Anaris' assessment of the situation- this player would likely respond more receptively to a polite yet firm message from someone who has some authority, preferably someone from outside the realm so as to remove any shadow of perceived bias on their part.
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Like a warning from a Magistrate?
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Like a warning from a Magistrate?
Something like that. I think this person is just misguided and frustrated- their goal is clearly not to sabotage the game.
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So ... quit writing form posts, and report it already.
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So ... quit writing form posts, and report it already.
Right now Magistrate Cases basically attack the person, they don't say, "Maybe the perpetrator did something wrong, but is normally a great guy, but punishment is still needed", its more like "This dirty rotten person broke the rules, feel our wrath!! Rawwr!!!". Of course that is in my eyes and isn't necessarily what the majority see the cases as. Even if the verdict hasn't happened it still feels like, "Is this person some evil rulebreaker?!?", so he probably is trying to avoid making this some negative, you are in trouble thing and more, "Hey you are making a mistake, you need to stop making the mistake, and an apology would be a good thing to do".
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Sounds like the errant knight lacks refinement. Why not ask his lord to mentor him until he better understands message protocols. If really doesn't understand what he's doing wrong, better to have patience and try to help him IMO. Maybe he's a slow learner.
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Right now Magistrate Cases basically attack the person
That's not a matter for this thread. If you think that the manner in which Magistrates cases are handled needs refined, then start a new thread somewhere on the Magistrates board to talk about it and propose ways to change it.
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I just reviewed the wiki, and I don't see anything saying that this behavior is unacceptable (except on Dwilight). How can we expect him to know information that isn't written down?
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I just reviewed the wiki, and I don't see anything saying that this behavior is unacceptable (except on Dwilight). How can we expect him to know information that isn't written down?
We can expect him to listen to other players asking him politely to stop.
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His IG superiors could instruct him to clear all messages with his lord before sending them. Until he gets it.
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And what effect will that have on OOC messages? And, really, how would it make you feel if someone told you OOC that every messages you sent IG, including the OOC ones, had to be approved by someone else?
It really sounds like this person needs a firm hand to tell him to get with the program.
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Unless you think he's actually breaking a rule, another way should be found to handle this. You could always simply start ignoring every OOC message he sends, or even put him on your actual ignore list. If enough people do that and he stops getting any responses to his OOC spam, methinks he will either get the message or he will leave. Either way, problem solved. If you're feeling kind you could even warn him what is going to happen if he doesn't stop, but at this point I wouldn't feel bad about just cutting him out with no warning.
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Unless you think he's actually breaking a rule, another way should be found to handle this. You could always simply start ignoring every OOC message he sends, or even put him on your actual ignore list. If enough people do that and he stops getting any responses to his OOC spam, methinks he will either get the message or he will leave. Either way, problem solved. If you're feeling kind you could even warn him what is going to happen if he doesn't stop, but at this point I wouldn't feel bad about just cutting him out with no warning.
Is that really the message we want to be sending here? "If someone is not playing in a sensible manner out of sheer ignorance, but isn't breaking any rules, just try to ignore them until they leave"?
We don't have so many players that we can afford to alienate potential good ones just because they're not breaking any rules.
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If you've tried to deal with it and failed, or been burned (such as the private letter that was sent realm-wide and rebutted), and this player is ruining your own game experience, then the best course of actions may be to put that player on Ignore. After reporting it to the Magistrates, of course.
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The OOC ban button for the ruler is for cases where someone's OOC behaviour is so damaging that you need him gone from the realm, NOW.
Spamming or the absolute worst personal insults would be good examples. The main advantage of the button is that it goes into effect RIGHT AWAY, not when the Titans are done with the case. In some extreme cases, you simply can't wait.
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Is that really the message we want to be sending here? "If someone is not playing in a sensible manner out of sheer ignorance, but isn't breaking any rules, just try to ignore them until they leave"?
We don't have so many players that we can afford to alienate potential good ones just because they're not breaking any rules.
If you ask/tell a person/child to stop doing that/don't do that, several times, but they continue to do it, it is no longer ignorance but just being deliberately annoying/disobedient. The only feasible defense would be a language barrier that causes misunderstanding.
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I just reviewed the wiki, and I don't see anything saying that this behavior is unacceptable (except on Dwilight). How can we expect him to know information that isn't written down?
This is the part that I found which relates to this case:
"In Character, abbreviated IC, is what qualifies as "roleplay" even if the "roleplay" message type is not used. Out of Character, or OOC, is when you, the player, are communicating something to the other players.
The two are and must be kept separate!"