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Title: Estate size experiments
Post by: Bael on December 11, 2013, 12:09:35 AM
I've recently been doing some experimenting with excel regarding estate sizes, their efficiency and the resulting taxes, and I have come across some very interesting results (was doing it with a city of about 10k max population).

I was wondering how many other people have done the same?
Title: Re: Estate size experiments
Post by: Indirik on December 11, 2013, 12:28:37 AM
How you approach this with logic and experimentation?! Heretic!
Title: Re: Estate size experiments
Post by: De-Legro on December 11, 2013, 12:49:51 AM
!Science! is the domain of stinky dwarves, Nobles of decent breeding would never stoop to such activites
Title: Re: Estate size experiments
Post by: Bael on December 11, 2013, 10:32:50 AM
!Science! is the domain of stinky dwarves, Nobles of decent breeding would never stoop to such activites

Science or math?  :P
Title: Re: Estate size experiments
Post by: trying on December 11, 2013, 06:47:07 PM
So what were the results?
Title: Re: Estate size experiments
Post by: De-Legro on December 11, 2013, 11:23:52 PM
Science or math?  :P

The difference between Math and Science is no more profound then the difference between physics and biology.
Title: Re: Estate size experiments
Post by: Bael on December 12, 2013, 02:41:20 PM
The difference between Math and Science is no more profound then the difference between physics and biology.

So pretty profound. Got it  :P

So what were the results?

Well, I found out several things. The most interesting was that when a Lord takes an empty region, the most profitable course is not to make your estate the maximum size. The maximum profit obtainable actually balances lower down on the estate size/efficiency scale.
Title: Re: Estate size experiments
Post by: De-Legro on December 12, 2013, 11:01:42 PM
So pretty profound. Got it  :P


Most physicist will tell you biology and chemistry is just a subset of physics, for those too scared to work with equations. Thus, according to them all science is really physics.

My math lecturers used to like to point out that physics was merely and application of maths :)

Follow that to the conclusion, all science is merely a subset of maths.
Title: Re: Estate size experiments
Post by: bofeng on December 13, 2013, 12:05:01 AM
I did the similar experiments and later decide to adopt around 46%. Another factor is the size of empty estate versus wild lands. It seems that two options are indifferent. So I just left another 40% estate, and rest as wild lands. Interested to know other's result.
Title: Re: Estate size experiments
Post by: Bael on December 13, 2013, 08:01:18 AM
Well, I was working with a city, so the results were at a lower point. About 31% (out of a maximum of 40%).
Title: Re: Estate size experiments
Post by: vonGenf on December 13, 2013, 08:59:13 AM
My math lecturers used to like to point out that physics was merely and application of maths :)

The thing is, astrology and homeopathy are also just an application of maths! :-)
Title: Re: Estate size experiments
Post by: Indirik on December 13, 2013, 12:58:39 PM
http://xkcd.com/435/
Title: Re: Estate size experiments
Post by: egamma on December 15, 2013, 05:13:06 AM
I did the similar experiments and later decide to adopt around 46%. Another factor is the size of empty estate versus wild lands. It seems that two options are indifferent. So I just left another 40% estate, and rest as wild lands. Interested to know other's result.

My 30% empty estate and my 30% wild lands yield the exact same taxes.
Title: Re: Estate size experiments
Post by: Bael on December 15, 2013, 09:15:06 AM
My 30% empty estate and my 30% wild lands yield the exact same taxes.

Yes, well they are the same regarding income. Otherwise it could be abused.
Title: Re: Estate size experiments
Post by: De-Legro on December 16, 2013, 02:19:23 AM
The thing is, astrology and homeopathy are also just an application of maths! :-)

And the maths they use is fine. The conclusions they draw from that maths is something else entirely.
Title: Re: Estate size experiments
Post by: trying on January 26, 2014, 06:42:09 PM
Sorry for the necro but I tested having a 100% efficient estate vs max size estate and got basically the same total gold.
Title: Re: Estate size experiments
Post by: Zakilevo on January 27, 2014, 10:58:49 PM
If I recall correctly, estate efficiency has been implemented and I think it should stay that way. if empty estates yield less tax, who'd keep empty estates around. Or to encourage people to open empty estates, I guess you can make empty estates slightly more efficient than wild lands.
Title: Re: Estate size experiments
Post by: Foxglove on January 28, 2014, 12:14:30 AM
I've experimented with estate size and efficiency fairly extensively, and I still haven't reached any conclusive conclusions. In one city, I folded all empty estates into my margrave estate and only saw the tax return for that estate increase by 8 gold. So it seems like the lowering in the efficiency because of the large percentage size must have had some effect, since the empty estates were making more than 8 gold between them before they were folded into the larger estate.
Title: Re: Estate size experiments
Post by: Eldargard on January 28, 2014, 06:53:57 PM
I think it would be a good thing for empty estate to generate slightly more income that wild lands. Or a lot more. An incentive for lords to take the time to create homes for new knights!