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BattleMaster => Locals => Dwilight => Topic started by: Bael on February 08, 2014, 11:09:59 PM
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Well, with masses of monsters running over the entirety of Dwilight, anyone want to give a guess on how many or which realms might be crashing this winter, barring further developments? Monsters during autumn will mean an unprecedented famine across Dwilight, which already had so much food to start with ::)
Try not to give away too much IG info, or whatever it is that we aren't allowed to do...
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It doesn't look good for Phantaria, although it already didn't look good for them.
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Morek will survive. It will hurt, but they will survive. I am curious who well be the first to go. I think someone will fall over this.
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How are all realms doing? Seems Barca is suffering quite a lot. Luckily they don't have any large cities to feed.
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Phantaria's ruler declared it dead and ceded its territories elsewhere before this began.
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How are all realms doing? Seems Barca is suffering quite a lot. Luckily they don't have any large cities to feed.
But they do. :(
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How are all realms doing? Seems Barca is suffering quite a lot.
That's what happens when your armies are abroad at the time of an (unexpected) invasion. :(
We'll see it through fine, but there are lots of rogues everywhere and this means less food.
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That's what happens when your armies are abroad at the time of an (unexpected) invasion. :(
We'll see it through fine, but there are lots of rogues everywhere and this means less food.
Which means less surplus to feed D'Hara :)
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We'll see it through fine, but there are lots of rogues everywhere and this means less food.
Won't there be less mouths to feed as well? As long as realms don't get overrun by rogues, they reach an equilibrium.
If I were to bet, I'd say Astrum and Phantaria won't make it through winter...with D'hara diminished.
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Realms tend to lose rural regions to rogues, seriously diminishing their food production. The high density regions, like cities, tend to not be lost until they starve to death.
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Realms tend to lose rural regions to rogues, seriously diminishing their food production. The high density regions, like cities, tend to not be lost until they starve to death.
Indeed. If you start seeing signs of starvation, you need to abandon your city of highest population first but usually those produce most gold. Either you need to recover your rural regions fast or make a hard choice.
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How are all realms doing? Seems Barca is suffering quite a lot. Luckily they don't have any large cities to feed.
They most certainly do have large cities to feed.Indeed. If you start seeing signs of starvation, you need to abandon your city of highest population first but usually those produce most gold. Either you need to recover your rural regions fast or make a hard choice.
Unfortunately convincing people to starve the biggest city isn't always easy.
I certainly hope Barca doesn't die. Morek seems too huge to die.
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It takes more than a few monsters to defeat Barca. And the current monster within Barca are a greater threat to those who rely on Barcan food than to Barca itself.
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Astrum is in serious trouble, but the good news is starvation wont be an issue because most of our peasants starved to death during the war.
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Astrum is in serious trouble, but the good news is starvation wont be an issue because most of our peasants starved to death during the war.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ
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In addition, western Dwilight will be reclaimed by the monsters
With this in mind, anyone want to change their guesses on which realm is going to be lost first?
Asylon... Niselur... I'm looking at the two of you. Then again, I noticed today that the Zuma are getting hit with monsters so maybe this will cause them to take over other lands and claim them as their own?
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Makes me wonder what's considered "western" Dwilight, and what's northern, eastern, southern, etc.
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Makes me wonder what's considered "western" Dwilight, and what's northern, eastern, southern, etc.
It's purely western as opposed to eastern. The western subcontinent.
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"The Golden Horde of Aslyon" does have a nice ring to it....maybe "The Conquistadors of Niselur". Western realms may not be the only ones at risk.
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"The Golden Horde of Aslyon" does have a nice ring to it....maybe "The Conquistadors of Niselur". Western realms may not be the only ones at risk.
Niselur always seemed to me to have a steppe theme to it; pity I can't have two characters on Dwilight, I'd love to have one in Niselur right now.
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I had hoped that the dispersal of the monster hordes would be a bit more equitable...but that never seems to be in the cards. I'd personally like to see Morek fall to bits, but I doubt that will happen...instead it will just be their major competitors in the west. Yay fairness.
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May I ask how the east/west decision was made?
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Because before western side of Dwilight had a lot of monsters before and that is why they chose to do it again. But its not fair to any western realm that have worked hard to establish themselves. They had to do something but destroying one whole side is not the way to go in my opnion. Destroying regions on the edges of the world evenly across all continents would be a lot better choice instead of just !@#$ting on one side..
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Niselur will fall, starvation in combination with those monster hordes. Almost glad I kept a low profile the last week rather then doing stuff to improve the realm...
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Every realm on western dwilight will fall, it's a question of which falls first.
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It's just as likely that an eastern realm will fall as a result of the upheaval caused by a massive migration. At least, I sure hope that happens.
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I this is going to be an inevitable loss, it feels like we should just stop fighting and pull everything out of the west and join allies in the east. The cats out of the bag, but it would have been more interesting to know that one of the sides was going to be infiltrated rather than a specific one. I still would prefer a BT style loss of regions, extensive battles and then the regions under the monsters control sink.
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It's just as likely that an eastern realm will fall as a result of the upheaval caused by a massive migration. At least, I sure hope that happens.
I would be surprised if they didn't- its not like this kind of thing hasn't happened before on Dwilight. If I recall correctly Asylon was supposed to be a docile Caerwynian colony before Glaumring and his lot invaded and made it the Asylon we know today.
In any case I hope people realise that this is literally the best chance they have of finally breaking the SA and Lurian hegemonies that have long dominated the eastern continent. This kind of mass-migration is exactly what is needed to shake things up.
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At least we'll be rid of the Zuma.
However, I do wonder how ridding the continent of half the regions will affect the recent food rebalance.
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It's just as likely that an eastern realm will fall as a result of the upheaval caused by a massive migration. At least, I sure hope that happens.
I seriously doubt this will happen. The migration will strengthen the east while whole western cultures will fall apart. I know in OOC messaging about a third of the nobles have already declared that when the inevitable happens they will march their noble into a horde of monsters and have that be the end.
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I seriously doubt this will happen. The migration will strengthen the east while whole western cultures will fall apart. I know in OOC messaging about a third of the nobles have already declared that when the inevitable happens they will march their noble into a horde of monsters and have that be the end.
Well, that sounds like an awfully stupid, short-sighted, and defeatist attitude.
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Will the food be rebalanced afterwards?
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Well, that sounds like an awfully stupid, short-sighted, and defeatist attitude.
Well, you are doing something that affects the newer, more dynamic realms on Dwilight. You are literally destroying the realms with the most new players, what did !@#$ing expect man?
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Well, that sounds like an awfully stupid, short-sighted, and defeatist attitude.
Don't worry, they won't have the money to afford units for much longer anyway. Tax income is about to tank even harder.
I this is going to be an inevitable loss, it feels like we should just stop fighting and pull everything out of the west and join allies in the east. The cats out of the bag, but it would have been more interesting to know that one of the sides was going to be infiltrated rather than a specific one. I still would prefer a BT style loss of regions, extensive battles and then the regions under the monsters control sink.
Yeah I was kind of expecting it to be more like BT's invasions, but nope it just seems to be scores of monsters in every region, right as I was about to have my region all fixed up too. I don't expect to get a tax income of note, again. Seems to be happening a bit too fast here.
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it feels like we should just stop fighting
This is the part of the community I don't get. As soon as something - anything - happens, everything suddenly becomes all peacenik. Why? Why stop fighting and do some peaceful migration? Why not throw everything at them now that you have nothing to lose?
This is the one area where BM could never match real life. In real life, when the going gets tough, people get more aggressive, not less.
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This is the part of the community I don't get. As soon as something - anything - happens, everything suddenly becomes all peacenik. Why? Why stop fighting and do some peaceful migration? Why not throw everything at them now that you have nothing to lose?
This is the one area where BM could never match real life. In real life, when the going gets tough, people get more aggressive, not less.
In RL, you CAN totally destroy your enemies. And the survivors will not live long enough for revenge.
In this game, you can't do this. Many things are in place to make sure that people who don't want to die, can't. In fact, people who don't want to be touched, for the most part, can't. And player characters can live long enough to see a lot of nations rise and fall. Victors don't really write the history all that much.
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I would be surprised if they didn't- its not like this kind of thing hasn't happened before on Dwilight. If I recall correctly Asylon was supposed to be a docile Caerwynian colony before Glaumring and his lot invaded and made it the Asylon we know today.
This is very true, the Old Thulsomans(not the Saxons) left Old Thulsoma and joined Asylon, and as the leadership was weak the new refugees and several Asylonians that came from Caerwyn rose up in arms and overthrew the Emperor, making Glaumring our King and that way we gave birth to the savage Asylon you know today.
It kinda breaks my heart to see us loose something we struggled hard with to build and our long fight for survival, especially now when we had our triumph over our arch-enemy Astrum and did something we never thought would happen, turning little Asylon into a giant...
BUT, the game goes on and we are now undecided on what to do. There have been some talk about leading chars to death and the fitting end for some old Hero characters, but the majority of my realm are getting ready to embrace the change and spread the savage culture of Asylon east. Kinda ironic as we always expected a invasion from the North east, not the other way around =)
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This is the part of the community I don't get. As soon as something - anything - happens, everything suddenly becomes all peacenik. Why? Why stop fighting and do some peaceful migration? Why not throw everything at them now that you have nothing to lose?
This is the one area where BM could never match real life. In real life, when the going gets tough, people get more aggressive, not less.
Perhaps I should state that I meant "If this is going to be an inevitable loss (against the monsters)." I want to know if there actually is any point in fighting the monsters. On other islands, the ice will just cover regions; no fighting will help. If the same can be said about this continent then I would like to know. I am not at all suggesting that realms have to give up. But if the monsters are going to be too strong to beat, that means recruiting huge armies taking over regions elsewhere.
I don't know what makes sense to tell us, but you have told us some things and those things lead to new questions.
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This is the part of the community I don't get. As soon as something - anything - happens, everything suddenly becomes all peacenik. Why? Why stop fighting and do some peaceful migration? Why not throw everything at them now that you have nothing to lose?
This is the one area where BM could never match real life. In real life, when the going gets tough, people get more aggressive, not less.
In real life you wouldn't have the problems you do in battlemaster: with regions being destabilized, nobles will no longer be able to maintain units, where if a glacier suddenly found itself moving over Scandanavia circa 1100 AD, you can be damn sure if they decided to expand south for survival, pay would be the last thing on the soldiers minds.
Paying units is all fine and dandy when its just regular old war, but when its fight or die, who gives a damn about gold? Scavenge what you can to feed yourself and your family, and continue to fight in a group or die are the options available.
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This is very true, the Old Thulsomans(not the Saxons) left Old Thulsoma and joined Asylon, and as the leadership was weak the new refugees and several Asylonians that came from Caerwyn rose up in arms and overthrew the Emperor, making Glaumring our King and that way we gave birth to the savage Asylon you know today.
It kinda breaks my heart to see us loose something we struggled hard with to build and our long fight for survival, especially now when we had our triumph over our arch-enemy Astrum and did something we never thought would happen, turning little Asylon into a giant...
BUT, the game goes on and we are now undecided on what to do. There have been some talk about leading chars to death and the fitting end for some old Hero characters, but the majority of my realm are getting ready to embrace the change and spread the savage culture of Asylon east. Kinda ironic as we always expected a invasion from the North east, not the other way around =)
Indeed, I think Aslyon is one of the best prepared of the western realms to make their mark on the east. You have experience of mass-migration, a large noble count (which may even be boosted if the Niselurians join you), a closely-knit and distinct culture as well as a very good rp reason for your characters to remain united and target the North-east. If Asylon plays its cards right then I think the SA heartlands of Morek and Corsanctum are in for a nasty shock. Who knows, maybe we'll even see the Founding SA Temple at Caiyun fall to the Asylonian horde...
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Well, that sounds like an awfully stupid, short-sighted, and defeatist attitude.
What a thoughtful and mature response...especially coming from a dev.
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Advertise that Dwilight is sinking and let everyone emigrate to a new, smaller continent as a fresh start? I like that idea, actually, that'd be pretty cool. I am, however, not looking forward to the flood of Asylonian refugees I expect to show up in Corsanctum.
From what ive seen, there is big possibility both Niselur and Asylon will immigrate to Corsanctum and that means only one thing. Corsanctum days are numbered. Welcome new Asyloniselur :S
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From what ive seen, there is big possibility both Niselur and Asylon will immigrate to Corsanctum and that means only one thing. Corsanctum days are numbered. Welcome new Asyloniselur :S
(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/e1/e1d999d47703d373612ad6b4e98b755fe5bf1303f5f3d7b3133384c5a142444d.jpg)
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From what ive seen, there is big possibility both Niselur and Asylon will immigrate to Corsanctum and that means only one thing. Corsanctum days are numbered. Welcome new Asyloniselur :S
Wait, so we're finally going to have more nobles than we have regions? PRAISE BE TO THE BLOODSTARS!
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What a thoughtful and mature response...especially coming from a dev.
Notably the dev who argueably had the largest part in this event.
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Paying units is all fine and dandy when its just regular old war, but when its fight or die, who gives a damn about gold? Scavenge what you can to feed yourself and your family, and continue to fight in a group or die are the options available.
That's actually a very good point. I'll move that over to the dev team board for consideration.
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Keep it polite, people. There was a lot of thought, planning, effort, hand wringing, second guessing, dread, fear, and anticipation that went into this decision. Several people worked long and hard to make this happen. The alternative to shrinking was to outright close two, or possibly more, islands. The dev team ultimately felt that shrinking in this manner allowed us to achieve the objectives we needed to achieve, while minimizing the effects on the game overall.
This was a hard decision. No matter which way we took things, either freezing entire islands or freezing parts of islands, you can be guaranteed that the forums would be filled with people claiming that we had made the wrong decision. We are sorry that your particular favorite realm is possibly being destroyed as a result. Well, you're not alone. The realm of which my character is the ruler is going to affected, too. Probably destroyed.
BattleMaster is a big game. If your favorite realm gets destroyed, consider moving elsewhere. This is especially true if you have only limited experience with the game overall. I'm fairly certain you can find another realm somewhere that matches your play style. If not, then perhaps you and your buddies from that realm can start new characters somewhere else, and still play together. Battlemaster is not a game of one realm, or one character. Realms come, and realms go. Characters start, and characters die. If that happens to you, then start a new character, and start a new story.
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Indirik has the right of it. Regardless of circumstance, try to draw as many positives as you can. If you can't, then try to roleplay your character. By that, I mean try to survive, like normal human beings. Losing everything can be some of the most fun you've ever had as a player because it forces everyone into action. Ever want to sculpt a nation? Did you already just sculpt one? Sculpt another! Sculpting all around! Have my hammer and chisel if you'd like! Sculpt yourself, sculpt your characters, resculpt your characters... man, I sure like sculpting.
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Indirik does have the right of it, but not everybody is as carefree about losing their character/realm because of an arbitrary event that doesn't fit the spirit of the game. If some people decide to leave because of it, that's their decision, because something they invested hours upon hours into has now been destroyed arbitrarily.
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I have to disagree with you on the spirit of the game as you've implied it. The spirit of the game isn't keeping something alive until you're fully ready to let it go. This game is about battling through thick and thin - as you would in reality - while having a blast in the process - quite unlike reality.
Niselur, Asylon, and Barca haven't died yet. In fact, said realms have quite the potential to live on. What's ridiculous here is that a collection of people believe their realms can only retain their identities by inhabiting their current geographical areas. Get a grip, the necessary components to a realm are its nobles and the histories they create. Its regions come secondary. Sure, you've fought long and hard for Rettleville, Gaston, Gelene or Golden Farrow, but these regions don't define your realms. Generally speaking, what defines Niselur is its capacity to challenge, and subsequently overcome SA imperialism where it reigns strongest; what defines Asylon is its unique collection of nobles and beliefs: former obnoxious standout turned continental superpower; what defines Barca is its formidable resilience in the face of abominations (monsters and Aurvandils both): it survived when no one else thought it capable. Every last one of you have invested your hours creating these kind of achievements, histories and legends.
The same cannot be said about Rettleville, Gaston, Gelene, or Golden Farrow. These regions were created by the Devs, and shall remain long after your realms have run their natural courses.
So yeah, you're probably going to lose your current regions. How is that functionally different from your typical, total conquest? And if you've spent countless hours developing your realm, what's a few more in an effort to secure its future somewhere else? You might even have fun in the process! Look at the many kings and nobles of old who migrated, went into exile, or conquered other lands after their homelands were threatened or destroyed. They strove to survive, and so should the rest of you. You haven't lost anything yet!
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http://wiki.battlemaster.org/index.php/File:Keep_calm.jpg
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No pressure, No Diamonds.
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What a thoughtful and mature response...especially coming from a dev.
We are humans, too. Given the kind and amount of hate thrown out here, Tim is very calm and patient. I would've already told some people what I think of their remarks.
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I have to disagree with you on the spirit of the game as you've implied it. The spirit of the game isn't keeping something alive until you're fully ready to let it go. This game is about battling through thick and thin - as you would in reality - while having a blast in the process - quite unlike reality.
Niselur, Asylon, and Barca haven't died yet. In fact, said realms have quite the potential to live on. What's ridiculous here is that a collection of people believe their realms can only retain their identities by inhabiting their current geographical areas. Get a grip, the necessary components to a realm are its nobles and the histories they create. Its regions come secondary. Sure, you've fought long and hard for Rettleville, Gaston, Gelene or Golden Farrow, but these regions don't define your realms. Generally speaking, what defines Niselur is its capacity to challenge, and subsequently overcome SA imperialism where it reigns strongest; what defines Asylon is its unique collection of nobles and beliefs: former obnoxious standout turned continental superpower; what defines Barca is its formidable resilience in the face of abominations (monsters and Aurvandils both): it survived when no one else thought it capable. Every last one of you have invested your hours creating these kind of achievements, histories and legends.
The same cannot be said about Rettleville, Gaston, Gelene, or Golden Farrow. These regions were created by the Devs, and shall remain long after your realms have run their natural courses.
So yeah, you're probably going to lose your current regions. How is that functionally different from your typical, total conquest? And if you've spent countless hours developing your realm, what's a few more in an effort to secure its future somewhere else? You might even have fun in the process! Look at the many kings and nobles of old who migrated, went into exile, or conquered other lands after their homelands were threatened or destroyed. They strove to survive, and so should the rest of you. You haven't lost anything yet!
Finally, someone that is not childish. When things go against you, give it the middle finger and challenge it. Not walk away like a small boy that can't get his candies. All my characters were at the receiving end of these, and to tell you the truth, i am glad it did. It was much more fun because you are now given much more option to develop your characters.
I do have a big complain however to the DEVs. Why is nothing happening in Beluaterra! I want Melhed to have some reason to kill the Fronites! Okay, i should probably stop spamming them with this question now. :p
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“I am the flail of god. Had you not created great sins, god would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.” ― Genghis Khan,
We are the Horde now. East must fear us.
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A New Resolve (7 minutes ago)
Tonight, having feasted well, the peasants seem to show a new resolve and determination, with one clear goal: Find, or make, a new homeland away from these monsters. More begin to show up at the recruitment centers, and those already recruited and the newly signing declare quite firmly that they don't care how far they have to go or if they don't get paid (much) until they have a new homeland: they're in this to make a new start.
As rumours of these events begin to come back to those in the eastern lands, the peasants and minor nobles alike begin to speak in worried tones of what is to come. Do all these strange events presage a terrifying migration of armies out of the west, bent on carving new homes out of their own lands in the east?
Now this, sounds more like it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOVVYswNE-c
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It is understandable yet laughable how people cry over all this. Like Arundel said, players and their characters come first before the regions. Regions don't create history and culture of your realm in this game. The players and their characters who rule those regions do. The dev team will closely observe the whole migration process and if the realms need more help, the dev team will probably give them more help to aid them settle where they desire.
Players with characters in Western Dwilight may complain about Eastern Dwilight not being attacked by monsters but those people are forgetting the fact for it is always more scary to face players than some monsters. Monsters are easier to deal with than well armed armies with good marshals and that is what Western Dwilight will have. Well trained armies with cheap maintenance cost. If you don't have gold to even make yourselves a good army, I am sure the dev team will come up with more ideas.
Try to enjoy the situation. You may complain now but maybe in a year or two, you may think this was one of the best things that happened for your realm since only a selected number of realms will get a chance like this. Nowhere in BM's history has there been a case where people got a chance to invade a realm across the map with so much advantage.
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It is understandable yet laughable how people cry over all this. Like Arundel said, players and their characters come first before the regions. Regions don't create history and culture of your realm in this game. The players and their characters who rule those regions do. The dev team will closely observe the whole migration process and if the realms need more help, the dev team will probably give them more help to aid them settle where they desire.
Players with characters in Western Dwilight may complain about Eastern Dwilight not being attacked by monsters but those people are forgetting the fact for it is always more scary to face players than some monsters. Monsters are easier to deal with than well armed armies with good marshals and that is what Western Dwilight will have. Well trained armies with cheap maintenance cost. If you don't have gold to even make yourselves a good army, I am sure the dev team will come up with more ideas.
Try to enjoy the situation. You may complain now but maybe in a year or two, you may think this was one of the best things that happened for your realm since only a selected number of realms will get a chance like this. Nowhere in BM's history has there been a case where people got a chance to invade a realm across the map with so much advantage.
I'll bet you weren't there when we were taming western Dwilight.
Player armies need gold to remain on the field, they suffer morale loss from distance, they suffer wear, they must travel back and forth from their distant capital. Monsters do not. They can be everywhere. They drain your food twice as fast. They don't wear down, they grow if left unchecked. They never need to refit. They never have distance issues.
Sure, 4000 CS of monsters in your realm is better than 4000 CS of troops. But in my book, in almost all cases, 30 000CS of rogues is a lot more problematic than 30 000CS of player forces. Odds are that player army won't be able to stay long, while odds are, it'll take forever to deal with that rogue force, and they'll probably empty your warehouses and drop production in most of your regions to nil.
Plus, how is the West supposed to invade the East if their lands are filled with monsters? They'll be lucky to just make it out from a few troops...
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I'll bet you weren't there when we were taming western Dwilight.
Player armies need gold to remain on the field, they suffer morale loss from distance, they suffer wear, they must travel back and forth from their distant capital. Monsters do not. They can be everywhere. They drain your food twice as fast. They don't wear down, they grow if left unchecked. They never need to refit. They never have distance issues.
Sure, 4000 CS of monsters in your realm is better than 4000 CS of troops. But in my book, in almost all cases, 30 000CS of rogues is a lot more problematic than 30 000CS of player forces. Odds are that player army won't be able to stay long, while odds are, it'll take forever to deal with that rogue force, and they'll probably empty your warehouses and drop production in most of your regions to nil.
Plus, how is the West supposed to invade the East if their lands are filled with monsters? They'll be lucky to just make it out from a few troops...
I stayed in Morek as one of those silent drones doing nothing. Wasn't even interested in that. Heard a lot of stories about how hard it was to expand. Must have been fun. By the time I returned to the game, Astrum and Corsanctum were created.
Don't think Western Dwilight armies are suffering from morale. There are still several problems they have to deal with though. Equipment damage, Embark cost and location, capital location (for getting reinforcements) and provisions. But I am sure these things will be sorted out along the way if dev thinks those are causing problems.
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I stayed in Morek as one of those silent drones doing nothing. Wasn't even interested in that. Heard a lot of stories about how hard it was to expand. Must have been fun. By the time I returned to the game, Astrum and Corsanctum were created.
Don't think Western Dwilight armies are suffering from morale. There are still several problems they have to deal with though. Equipment damage, Embark cost and location, capital location (for getting reinforcements) and provisions. But I am sure these things will be sorted out along the way if dev thinks those are causing problems.
The one thing I hope is that it is going to be possible to at least get some toeholds back on the western subcontinent; superheavily fortified cities or townslands, something like that. I enjoyed playing in Niselur and reclaiming it from the frontier, wouldn't mind being a frontier lord again if I can swing it.
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what defines Barca is its formidable resilience in the face of abominations (monsters and Aurvandils both): it survived when no one else thought it capable. Every last one of you have invested your hours creating these kind of achievements, histories and legends.
Our resilience will lead us to a new home. We are not defeated yet. Barca will live on!
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Whatever happens rest assured Glaumring will be there. 8)