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BattleMaster => Locals => East Island => Topic started by: T Strike on April 10, 2014, 06:26:15 AM
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Interesting turn of events with Sirion.
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We hit them good. They were disorganized and weren't prepared for the attack.
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Sure, I guess it's in part because you issued the war declaration when all southerner forces were at two paces from their borders :D
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Sure, I guess it's in part because you issued the war declaration when all southerner forces were at two paces from their borders :D
The best way to crush your foes. Hit them when they are at their weakest 8)
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More like using the game mechanics to your advantage. It's low form, but legal within the game rules.
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More like using the game mechanics to your advantage. It's low form, but legal within the game rules.
What was that? Any hard facts on that?
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More like using the game mechanics to your advantage. It's low form, but legal within the game rules.
Which mechanics are you talking about?
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Sure, I guess it's in part because you issued the war declaration when all southerner forces were at two paces from their borders :D
To be fairly honest, only 2 of them has actually declared war yet, while the others seems to be simply there by chance.
But anyway, since when is it possible to TO regions you have no borders with and isn't bordering water? I thought CTO was removed, or was that only from testing?
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To be fairly honest, only 2 of them has actually declared war yet, while the others seems to be simply there by chance.
But anyway, since when is it possible to TO regions you have no borders with and isn't bordering water? I thought CTO was removed, or was that only from testing?
Fallangard lost their regions to the ice. They can take over any region on the map if they desire.
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To be fairly honest, only 2 of them has actually declared war yet, while the others seems to be simply there by chance.
Go read the newspapers first! ;)
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/New_Westmoor/Archives/Letters#Southern_Alliance_.28Perdan.2C_Fallangard.2C_Perleone.2C_Westmoor.29_Declaration_of_war_against_the_Republic_of_Sirion_sent_on_April_7_of_the_year_1014
In case Ecthelion does not forward my letters. ;)
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I do believe I have seen some of them, though hardly read them.
On a completely different topic, whats the difference between the newspaper + forum and posting IG letters directly on the forum?
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I do believe I have seen some of them, though hardly read them.
On a completely different topic, whats the difference between the newspaper + forum and posting IG letters directly on the forum?
Newspapers contain news which have already happened IG/IC.
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Hasn't all letters already sent IG happened IG? Whats the difference of a letter sent 2 days ago by a ruler and a letter sent 1,5 day ago by anyone?
Not here to make a scene, just understand the difference since it caused quite some drama the last time we went through this :)
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Hasn't all letters already sent IG happened IG? Whats the difference of a letter sent 2 days ago by a ruler and a letter sent 1,5 day ago by anyone?
Not here to make a scene, just understand the difference since it caused quite some drama the last time we went through this :)
The difference between the messages is the ruler's authority in external affairs.
Everything that the ruler sends to the ruler channel, unless specified, is expected and intended to be known by the other rulers, and thus their realms.
So, the newspaper editor can expect that the sending ruler's message has been forwarded by the receiving ruler, to his council or even the entire realm.
If the receiving ruler hasn't, well then it's not the problem of the newspaper editor, it's not a sensitive information, as the sending ruler wanted that everyone knows.
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Sure, I guess it's in part because you issued the war declaration when all southerner forces were at two paces from their borders :D
Perdan has always been at war with Oce.... Sirion.
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On a completely different topic, whats the difference between the newspaper + forum and posting IG letters directly on the forum?
We don't allow letter posting on the forums due to problems with arguments and flame wars. Forum discussions can be fast and heated, quickly devolving into arguments and flame wars. Wiki posts don't evoke that kind of response. So posting of IG messages on the wiki for newspapers is fine.
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Is this about the attack on Krimml? How is this abuse of mechanics? I don't get it...
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I do believe I have seen some of them, though hardly read them.
On a completely different topic, whats the difference between the newspaper + forum and posting IG letters directly on the forum?
Is normally the perception of which they are explained, for example:
Ingame Message:
You XXXX Ruler of X i demand you to move your troops back or face war!
Newspaper:
ZZZZ From Z demanded XXXX >From X to withdraw his troops from their borders, this tension could escalate into a war quickly.
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Is normally the perception of which they are explained, for example:
Ingame Message:
You XXXX Ruler of X i demand you to move your troops back or face war!
Newspaper:
ZZZZ From Z demanded XXXX >From X to withdraw his troops from their borders, this tension could escalate into a war quickly.
Also, it should be added that newspapers are often propaganda media.
Someone should not take everything as real what is written there.
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Once again i get too see the mayhem of messages due to massive war.
My thanks to the BM players who brought this exciting moment.
ps:
TO ARMS!
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Ugh I have 100+ messages and I'm seriously wounded.
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Interesting turn of events with Sirion.
That is a good attack. I applaud the efforts involved even though our characters may be enemies soon enough ;)
Once again i get too see the mayhem of messages due to massive war.
My thanks to the BM players who brought this exciting moment.
ps:
TO ARMS!
Yes, I can see lot of messages too. It is exciting, surprising at times to hear from many players, all at same time.
Go read the newspapers first! ;)
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/New_Westmoor/Archives/Letters#Southern_Alliance_.28Perdan.2C_Fallangard.2C_Perleone.2C_Westmoor.29_Declaration_of_war_against_the_Republic_of_Sirion_sent_on_April_7_of_the_year_1014
In case Ecthelion does not forward my letters. ;)
Also I like the newspaper, currently the only active EC newspaper is Westmoor.
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Interesting that a region defected from Sirion at the start of all of this, does anybody think more defections are in order? Also, as somebody who had a different family from long ago, but is generally fairly new... why hasn't there been a secession of a duchy in Sirion? I would imagine in such a big realm it would be bound to happen eventually, especially at times like this when Sirion would be unable to quell the new realm effectively.
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Because they have this thing called Perdan on the other side of the continent wanting to wipe them out.
Also, have you even seen their list of dukes? All insanely loyal to Sirion. Unless Perdan fragments, Sirion won't fragment. The only reason Krimml defected was because well the duchess there was the infamous Relak family. I wouldn't be surprised if the duchess changes her side again when things start favouring Sirion.
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What makes them so loyal?
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They usually make their dukes serve in a military for a long time. When you fight for one realm for a long time, you will care more for that realm because you have invested significant hours into that realm. You don't see many people destroying their own achievements.
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Actually that also makes you more likely to betray your own realm to keep your city. Because you probably think you've earned it. That is why most realms don't appoint their less trusted dukes into outer cities where it is easier to defect. Giselle, Duchess of Krimml, was probably a mistake on their part. Her family has a long history with that but sometimes you forget.
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Interesting... thanks for the info!
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Because they have this thing called Perdan on the other side of the continent wanting to wipe them out.
Not true, go read the newspapers.
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Interesting that a region defected from Sirion at the start of all of this, does anybody think more defections are in order? Also, as somebody who had a different family from long ago, but is generally fairly new... why hasn't there been a secession of a duchy in Sirion? I would imagine in such a big realm it would be bound to happen eventually, especially at times like this when Sirion would be unable to quell the new realm effectively.
You're unlikely to see more defections. It's also going to get much much harder to get into Sirion once they lose Oligarch. Avamar and Trinbar are ridiculously defensible. The outer-lying cities were always incredibly vulnerable. The only real way to defend them was what happend back in the day with the Fontan-Sirion-OR alliance.
Actually that also makes you more likely to betray your own realm to keep your city. Because you probably think you've earned it. That is why most realms don't appoint their less trusted dukes into outer cities where it is easier to defect. Giselle, Duchess of Krimml, was probably a mistake on their part. Her family has a long history with that but sometimes you forget.
Long history huh? So there was Serko in Topenah(?) on FEI, and then Gregor with Fontan and the Confederacy which was a civil war. That's twice in over 12 years.
Because they have this thing called Perdan on the other side of the continent wanting to wipe them out.
Also, have you even seen their list of dukes? All insanely loyal to Sirion. Unless Perdan fragments, Sirion won't fragment. The only reason Krimml defected was because well the duchess there was the infamous Relak family. I wouldn't be surprised if the duchess changes her side again when things start favouring Sirion.
Giselle had her reasons for going to Westmoor with the Duchy. The city was already at >50% taken over by Fallangard, and as has been put into the newspaper she despises the Fallangardians for their treachery of Caligus, so she did the next best thing she went to a realm she would be welcomed in without even announcing it first.
If Caligus doesn't see that Fallangard is coming for them if it takes a northern city they're blind. But I don't think they're blind I think they're helpless.
They usually make their dukes serve in a military for a long time. When you fight for one realm for a long time, you will care more for that realm because you have invested significant hours into that realm. You don't see many people destroying their own achievements.
If I might interject, the reason is because the list of candidates who have been in the realm for so long is extensive. They have deep deep ties to the realm, and the way Dukes are selected generally means things are stable (They're voted on by the realm council as a whole, Giselle played both factions to get elected). Then in the way the realm is run the Dukes have a significant say in how things go forward. This means there is little incentive to leave as you have significant power in a large realm. Now Giselle's Duchy was always sort of a backwater, it didn't produce much gold, was heavily indebted to the realm for its defense and food, mostly because of the significant militia presence, which didn't mean a damn when the military went kaput, and so left helpless she took her Duchy and said no thanks to being the Duchess who couldn't defend her Duchy because her realm didn't do a thing for it.
Don't you all wonder why Aedenah stepped down so quickly as general after the defeat in Krimml too?
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You're unlikely to see more defections. It's also going to get much much harder to get into Sirion once they lose Oligarch. Avamar and Trinbar are ridiculously defensible. The outer-lying cities were always incredibly vulnerable.
Yeah, they're Maginot line is unbelievably strong and easy to defend. They internal lines of travel are short, while the external lines are long and slow. They can easily move assets around internally, while the people outside have to slog long hours over bad roads. Their fortresses protect a huge swatch of rurals to feed themselves. Their enemies have huge refit cycles, while Sirion's refit cycle is, what, one or two regions away?
If Caligus doesn't see that Fallangard is coming for them if it takes a northern city they're blind. But I don't think they're blind I think they're helpless.
Caligus is screwed. They signed a 12-month treaty with the SA. They're not allowed to even pick their noses for an entire year... The only choice they have is to join the southerners, or sit on their butts and do nothing for another, what, 11 months? Or they could break the treaty, and have the entire southern alliance pounce on them. Again. And since Caligus was so successful defending against them the first time...
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Long history huh? So there was Serko in Topenah(?) on FEI, and then Gregor with Fontan and the Confederacy which was a civil war. That's twice in over 12 years.
Only three times in total? Thought there were more.
If Caligus doesn't see that Fallangard is coming for them if it takes a northern city they're blind. But I don't think they're blind I think they're helpless.
Yep. They can't do anything. They know they are dead I think.
If I might interject, the reason is because the list of candidates who have been in the realm for so long is extensive. They have deep deep ties to the realm, and the way Dukes are selected generally means things are stable (They're voted on by the realm council as a whole, Giselle played both factions to get elected). Then in the way the realm is run the Dukes have a significant say in how things go forward. This means there is little incentive to leave as you have significant power in a large realm. Now Giselle's Duchy was always sort of a backwater, it didn't produce much gold, was heavily indebted to the realm for its defense and food, mostly because of the significant militia presence, which didn't mean a damn when the military went kaput, and so left helpless she took her Duchy and said no thanks to being the Duchess who couldn't defend her Duchy because her realm didn't do a thing for it.
Don't you all wonder why Aedenah stepped down so quickly as general after the defeat in Krimml too?
Yep. Dukes rule Sirion.
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You're unlikely to see more defections. It's also going to get much much harder to get into Sirion once they lose Oligarch. Avamar and Trinbar are ridiculously defensible. The outer-lying cities were always incredibly vulnerable. The only real way to defend them was what happend back in the day with the Fontan-Sirion-OR alliance.
I have to agree with this, Sirion's outer regions (the last where Fontan was) are mostly like a buffer. Sirion won't feel threatened while they have control of Avamar, Trimbar and i care to mention Tabost, which is a really big region and its size can make travels higher than 12h.
But this war seems interesting, because the it will depend on if Eponllyn manage to grow or the southern alliance raze everything south of Avamar and Ashforth.
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Don't you all wonder why Aedenah stepped down so quickly as general after the defeat in Krimml too?
Why?
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Trinbar - Mine
Avamar - Unh.... mine.
That's why 8)
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Trinbar - Mine
Avamar - Unh.... mine.
That's why 8)
You - Mine
My little samba dancer
;D
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Ah, good days to be Judge of Sirion. I have more nobles in my dungeons than Perlone as realm.
Sweet.
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Don't you all wonder why Aedenah stepped down so quickly as general after the defeat in Krimml too?
I know why but I cant say 8)
If Caligus doesn't see that Fallangard is coming for them if it takes a northern city they're blind. But I don't think they're blind I think they're helpless.
Caligus is screwed. They signed a 12-month treaty with the SA. They're not allowed to even pick their noses for an entire year... The only choice they have is to join the southerners, or sit on their butts and do nothing for another, what, 11 months? Or they could break the treaty, and have the entire southern alliance pounce on them. Again. And since Caligus was so successful defending against them the first time...
That treaty is quite a huge blow for Caligus. Now they have to watch from the sidelines, maybe they even taking bets :o
Yep. Dukes rule Sirion.
I... just... know... it IC ;)
I have to agree with this, Sirion's outer regions (the last where Fontan was) are mostly like a buffer. Sirion won't feel threatened while they have control of Avamar, Trimbar and i care to mention Tabost, which is a really big region and its size can make travels higher than 12h.
But this war seems interesting, because the it will depend on if Eponllyn manage to grow or the southern alliance raze everything south of Avamar and Ashforth.
If you ask me when I was not in Fontan, this situation will look strange to me. I may even ask you back what you mean. Now I am familiar with it, yes you are right. I still recall Fontan realm shaped like a snake somehow :P
Ah, good days to be Judge of Sirion. I have more nobles in my dungeons than Perlone as realm.
Sweet.
Ah, how many prisoners you have there? I always wonder how many is the highest record in Battlemaster history. Suddenly I miss my days as Judge.
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there were 22 prisoners in the same prison at one point :o
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The last count was more than 20, but now some already paid the ransom or escaped. In these first days of war I confiscated more gold than along the entire Great War. Also, Erik is denying any prisoner agreements with Perleone and Fallangard: Erik doesn't negotiate with colonies.
As player I get a little sad to see so many players rotting in idle for a week. But as character, Erik will make them pay hard for every attack against Sirion. Westmoor will pay dearly for its alliance with Perdan because the war will surely happen on their land. Perleone will probably disappear if Perdan not give up their own land for their colony and I can only imagine what will happen to Fallangard since they lost the only opportunity they had with the advantage of takeover Krimml.
We'll see how long the SA (Slaves of Atanamir, as Erik is calling them) will take to realize that Atanamir failed and that Sirion will stand. We will never allow foreign armies or policies dictate how we must govern our lands. The South caught us with our pants down, but it will not happen again.
In every campaign, they will see a realm of prisoners in my dungeons ;)
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... the SA (Slaves of Atanamir, as Erik is calling them) ...
he he he
Gotta get that propaganda going, eh? I haven't heard that one IG yet.
But this does look to be an active war. I hope everyone has fun!
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I think the first time Erik used it was on a letter to the Judge of Perleone. More will come in his RPs to the E.C.D.A.
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there were 22 prisoners in the same prison at one point :o
Whoa, that is quite many :o
Look like Sirion Judge about to strike lottery or gold mine when everyone pay ransoms.
... the SA (Slaves of Atanamir, as Erik is calling them)...
My first time hear this too. When Brock has more time, I have him join ECDA. Too bad General position make him very busy man at times.
As player I get a little sad to see so many players rotting in idle for a week. But as character, Erik will make them pay hard for every attack against Sirion.
You can talk to them. I always enjoy entertaining the prisoners with food and wine when I was Judge, even had my Roleplay with them ;D
he he he
Gotta get that propaganda going, eh? I haven't heard that one IG yet.
But this does look to be an active war. I hope everyone has fun!
Yes indeed I hope everyone has fun no matter which side you on. Let us contribute our parts and watch the magic happen :P
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You can talk to them. I always enjoy entertaining the prisoners with food and wine when I was Judge, even had my Roleplay with them ;D
Erik is too old to spend hours sending letters to the prisoners. Sometimes he answer one or two ('cause I don't need to spend hours when replying), but they are all calling him a thief. LOL. They traveled the entire continent with 900 gold, their realms has no arrangements for prisoners and they still complain when a Judge who always said he's the best of the continent confiscate their gold. Now I will need some good battles to recover my Prestige. Or just begin to confiscate items as well 8)
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facepalm
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facepalm
LOL if you mean Bruck battle ;D
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Guess who suggested the attack?
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After stealing Atanamir's crown, Erik steals 800 gold from Perdan's Queen. What a man. And what laughable sum for Perdan standards.
Anyway he should be thankful that Atanamir only ordered to misdirect against Avamar.
Out of respect, but since Erik is nothing a cheap thief now that steals from women, no more respect given.
About the rest I am sitting back and laughing, everything goes according to plan.
Anyway, Sirion/Eponllyn should focus more on its nobles than boasting around here.
There is a Eponllyn Vice-Marshal moving around since about 1 week with the banner of Sirion, he even participated in the battle of Bruck today, there I noticed him again.
I never seen that, I wonder what messages he can read. Both?
But if you all obviously play with the bug, I do too, check the ruler channel...that is the best fuel for Atanamir! :P
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After stealing Atanamir's crown, Erik steals 800 gold from Perdan's Queen. What a man. And what laughable sum for Perdan standards.
Anyway he should be thankful that Atanamir only ordered to misdirect against Avamar.
Out of respect, but since Erik is nothing a cheap thief now that steals from women, no more respect given.
About the rest I am sitting back and laughing, everything goes according to plan.
Anyway, Sirion/Eponllyn should focus more on its nobles than boasting around here.
There is a Eponllyn Vice-Marshal moving around since about 1 week with the banner of Sirion, he even participated in the battle of Bruck today, there I noticed him again.
I never seen that, I wonder what messages he can read. Both?
But if you all obviously play with the bug, I do too, check the ruler channel...that is the best fuel for Atanamir! :P
If that woman wants to lead troops and fight with the men, she should be treated as one.
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If that woman wants to lead troops and fight with the men, she should be treated as one.
Totally agree, but this is not a simple woman, it's Atanamir's Queen! Even if she hasn't the royal signature, Erik Eyolf knew that through ECDA. :D
Royals get treated in Perdan differently, we release all Sirion royals instantly and every Judge knows that.
In Sirion now...well, times change.
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After stealing Atanamir's crown, Erik steals 800 gold from Perdan's Queen. What a man. And what laughable sum for Perdan standards.
Anyway he should be thankful that Atanamir only ordered to misdirect against Avamar.
Out of respect, but since Erik is nothing a cheap thief now that steals from women, no more respect given.
About the rest I am sitting back and laughing, everything goes according to plan.
Anyway, Sirion/Eponllyn should focus more on its nobles than boasting around here.
There is a Eponllyn Vice-Marshal moving around since about 1 week with the banner of Sirion, he even participated in the battle of Bruck today, there I noticed him again.
I never seen that, I wonder what messages he can read. Both?
But if you all obviously play with the bug, I do too, check the ruler channel...that is the best fuel for Atanamir! :P
Sidenote, Nivemus ruler answered IC to my ruler channel message by answering/commenting actually to the content in the forum mesage above.
How odd, I think we should close the locals section again, people can't handle it obviously. Not even rulers.
Modified: Nivemus ruler accepted and apologised. All good. But still people should really be more cautious with what is written or they write themselves here.
Otherwise there is no point in posting anything in here.
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We all have to play with the bugs. We would have gotten like 5-6 more prisoners and the entire Westmoorian army in Braga but a bug saved their butt, twice.
The enemy comes with the intention of exterminate the elves from the continent, but they pretend to keep their goldies and have their prisoners released in 3 days or less. How adorable...
"Royals get treated in Perdan differently, we release all Sirion royals instantly and every Judge knows that."
Perdan also executes infiltrators, Sirion does not. Whats the point there? Laws are different for all the realms, i thought that was part of the fun in the game, diversity. Still i think Sirion respects the Royals thing, but it needs to have the word "Royal" i guess...
"Anyway, Sirion/Eponllyn should focus more on its nobles than boasting around here."
The only one who boast around is Eduardo, who does not know when to keep his mouth shut but in my experience in the forums, i mostly read instead of participate, there is no one who boast his deeds and realm and as soon as something is wrong starts to complain than you Alex.
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but in my experience in the forums, i mostly read instead of participate, there is no one who boast his deeds and realm and as soon as something is wrong starts to complain than you Alex.
Should I then start boasting now how we destroyed the Sirionite mobile?
How we took Krimml?
Or your own city Karbala?
Or or or....
I don't need that, do not confuse me with Eduardo, indeed. ;)
I use the forum just to see
a) that stupid OOC propaganda doesn't destroy or influence the IC fun and
b) to see that IC information is not leaked OOCly as people obviously can't handle it.
And if I see that people deliberately use the forum to gain info, I even share sometimes wrong information here.
Yeah, imagine, I have even seen such things come back to me IC.
That's why I always will be against the forum and this section.
But I will be here as watchdog.
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"Should I then start boasting now how we destroyed the Sirionite mobile?
How we took Krimml?
Or your own city Karbala?
Or or or...."
You guys didnt do any of that, how could you boast about something that you didnt do?
Anyways... i was just stating from what i read. When things are going good for you, its all about Perdan and Atanamir's greatness, when something goes wrong, its an OOC conspiracy. I might be wrong, but thats what i think from what i read.
So i dont think "Anyway, Sirion/Eponllyn should focus more on its nobles than boasting around here." really applies to be said by someone who acts like that, mostly when its just Eduardo who brags in the forums same ways he brags IC (he knows he does, he is fine with it lol), so if you want that statement to be more precise i would recomend to change it to "Anyway, Eduardo should focus more on its nobles than boasting around here.".
There.
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Let's leave off both the boasting and the accusations of boasting, please.
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Let's leave off both the boasting and the accusations of boasting, please.
Dont know why the drama, seems like a legit argue here with no disrespect by anyone. I believe boasting is not wrong and probably the forums is a place to do it if you want to do it but if the rest of the forumers dont like it i will come back to the bat cave.
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Dont know why the drama, seems like a legit argue here with no disrespect by anyone. I believe boasting is not wrong and probably the forums is a place to do it if you want to do it but if the rest of the forumers dont like it i will come back to the bat cave.
With things the way they are right now, it seems likely to degenerate into personal attacks. I wanted to head it off before it got that bad for a change.
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We'll see how long the SA (Slaves of Atanamir, as Erik is calling them) ...
Ahaha, Siana has been calling it 'Society of Atanamir' but maybe slaves is even better ;)
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I don't need that, do not confuse me with Eduardo, indeed.
This is personal now? Just to know. Because here I'm player, IG... Erik is Erik. Then, take care when you talk about Erik and when you talk about Eduardo, since you don't know me nor I give you this freedom. I don't come to the Forum to talk about Alexandros, I speak of Atanamir.
Keep it civil or keep quiet.
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About the Queen, excuse me. I take much of my time with... myself. I really don't remember her name and, in fact, if she hasn't Royal in her title, she's not a Royal, just the King's wife. Blame your own Judge... she offered the terms, not Erik. AND, about the Crown, I agreed with it because of the fun. We know that Atanamir just lost it and that Erik never had it, in fact. If it turns to the OOC, I will just ignore that we agreed on this RP and consider that he lost it to a militia archer, which was in fact what happened.
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There is a Eponllyn Vice-Marshal moving around since about 1 week with the banner of Sirion, he even participated in the battle of Bruck today, there I noticed him again.
He is a monster in disguise :P Wait till he starts breathing fire.
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You guys didnt do any of that, how could you boast about something that you didnt do?
Haha, I think the wound on Ryu was quite severe if you even as player deny facts.
Should I send you the battle reports maybe?
Nah, case closed for me indeed after reading this line lmao.
This is personal now? Just to know. Because here I'm player, IG... Erik is Erik. Then, take care when you talk about Erik and when you talk about Eduardo, since you don't know me nor I give you this freedom. I don't come to the Forum to talk about Alexandros, I speak of Atanamir.
I am sorry, my bad, you are right of course. I didn't pay enough attention when I just repeated the words of Hinamoto here who used Eduardo when speaking of boasting.
Old interview mistake. Never use the words of the other one, he uses them them wrongly and when people then hear the report with your voice saying them, you are the idiot of the story.
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That's ok :)
I tend to be grumpy when I wake up and come to see the Forum.
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That's ok :)
I tend to be grumpy when I wake up and come to see the Forum.
Then we are two with this habit already. ;)
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Haha, I think the wound on Ryu was quite severe if you even as player deny facts.
Should I send you the battle reports maybe?
Nah, case closed for me indeed after reading this line lmao.
Ryu got seriously wounded, is that something to boast about? I didnt knew Ryu was that important im flattered!. If you really take the SA incursion to our lands as a positive thing and something to boast about, then good for you but most important good for us!
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You two need to stop talking on this thread :p talk between yourselves instead.
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Ryu got seriously wounded, is that something to boast about? I didnt knew Ryu was that important im flattered!. If you really take the SA incursion to our lands as a positive thing and something to boast about, then good for you but most important good for us!
No Ryu is not important at all, neither did anyone boast about it.
You are just denying obvious facts and there the discussion gets for me useless.
And of course is a war good for everyone, this is Battlemaster.
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ALFRED TO THE BAT CAVE!
<insert batman music>
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Guess who suggested the attack?
I take responsibility for that :-[