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BattleMaster => Locals => South Island => Topic started by: Indirik on May 22, 2014, 06:05:43 PM
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So... who's gonna win? :P
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Taselak, the strongest shall survive the end of days while Sandalak and Ikalak bites the dust. May the Dread Wolf crush the combined might of Eagle, Snake and Lions. 8)
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You infidels and heathens will bow down before the might of Sandalak!
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South Island:
The maximum character count for this world has been reached. No new characters can be created there at this time.
122 nobles in 3 realms, with 59 vacant estates in 42 regions
Didn't expect that.... there is a character cap?
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It is temporary. Anaris has a plan for slowly allowing character count build.
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There was quite a train of chars in the three realms and many old WI players have returned just for it. Don't worry though, unless you were going to campaign for a position of power there isn't much going on apart from huge OOC discussions. And by huge I mean really huge!!!
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Can I just say how wonderful it is to be in a realm with such a high character density and so much conversation again? This takes me back to the good old days when I first started playing :)
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I totally agree. Smaller islands are not necessarily bad.
Although, I would love to see Dwilight with 1,000+ characters on it.
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Timothy,
I just want to say: I love you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bGOgY1CmiU
:)
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Typhus of Ikalak will conquer you will with a strategic campaign of sterilization (aka ball stabbing). Surrender now or lose your precious bits!
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Before you know it I will have Toren back!
My precious Toren ;D :o ::)
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Planning to have Toren undergo a string of rebellions like in the good old days? :p
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Planning to have Toren undergo a string of rebellions like in the good old days? :p
Are secessions allowed on the South Island?
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Are secessions allowed on the South Island?
Pretty sure
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Planning to have Toren undergo a string of rebellions like in the good old days? :p
But I doubt that they won't survive for long ;)
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Ugh... we're not even actively warring yet, and already we've got cooperation talks between realms.
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Plot twist. We turn the War Island into Peace Island and all three realms live in harmony until every character dies of old age.
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It's ok Sacha, the best solution? WILDCARD
Make all our decisions based upon daily fortune cookies.
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Ugh... we're not even actively warring yet, and already we've got cooperation talks between realms.
Really? That is lame :/
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Why that surprises anyone is beyond me.
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Yeah, I'm surprised by it and other stuffs. I joined Taselak just because of the meritocracy (this is my first time) but it seems that there isn't much difference between us and Ikalak. The entire thrillling feel I had before I joined is mostly lost but I hope it'd get interesting once the real hostilities begin :)
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Why that surprises anyone is beyond me.
I knew it was coming, but before the first battle even kicks off? That was a surprise, yes.
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It makes sense. Everyone wants to be the one on the side that's two versus one instead of the other way round.
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Why anyone would trust another realm to 'work together' is beyond me. "Oh, ya'll want me to help you attack that other realm...mmk..mmk, your entire army and theres is gonna be there, sounds nice...I'll certainly be there and wouldn't dare think of being opportunistic. Oh, double-teaming isn't opportunistic, that's different, I'm totataly your guy and think your realm should win the island!"
Roll right into your 'war-friend's capital because they showed their hands and you didn't.
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Of course they can set aside their differences as proven by this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkZKfP7xxyI
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Why anyone would trust another realm to 'work together' is beyond me. "Oh, ya'll want me to help you attack that other realm...mmk..mmk, your entire army and theres is gonna be there, sounds nice...I'll certainly be there and wouldn't dare think of being opportunistic. Oh, double-teaming isn't opportunistic, that's different, I'm totataly your guy and think your realm should win the island!"
Roll right into your 'war-friend's capital because they showed their hands and you didn't.
This, of course, is the genius of a three realm island - there can't be any stable alliances.
"Sandalak has always been allied with Ikalak and at war with Taselak", etc.
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...Have you ever fought on the War Island before? It tends to go from 2 v 2 (or 3 v 1) to 2 v 1 to 1 v 1.
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This, of course, is the genius of a three realm island - there can't be any stable alliances.
"Sandalak has always been allied with Ikalak and at war with Taselak", etc.
It has more to do with the fact they are all at war because once you kill a realm, you already have your enemy lined up. I have always enjoyed games like that because of their enjoyable diplomacy because its tricky, although much simpler on this island with only 3 realms whereas I have played games where there are 8 different sides.
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I think the fact that we can actually kill and get rid of certain characters is one of the motivating reasons to play at the moment.
Be interesting to get some stats - I think SI will have the highest density of infils on any island in BM
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I think the fact that we can actually kill and get rid of certain characters is one of the motivating reasons to play at the moment.
I'm guessing that people will only enjoy that until it's their character that gets killed.
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Just something out of context, did you guys in Ikalak and Sandalak receive any taxes?
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Nope, not in Sandalak.
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Just something out of context, did you guys in Ikalak and Sandalak receive any taxes?
Not in Ikalak either.
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I am sure Anaris will fix it in no time. Just RP it like peasants were dead broke due to migrating from another continents.
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I had for some reason the impression that along with mortality, you got one char on South Island and when he died, that was it for you until reset. I see that's not the case, and I'll admit I'm a little disappointed.
Too late now, obviously, but I think we should consider the idea for after rest.
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I had for some reason the impression that along with mortality, you got one char on South Island and when he died, that was it for you until reset. I see that's not the case, and I'll admit I'm a little disappointed.
Too late now, obviously, but I think we should consider the idea for after rest.
I cant see many benefits for that?
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- when you're out, you're out. more realistic "death" than just come back with a new char next day
- realm can actually "kill" its enemies - reducing the size of the enemy
- important persons die. that clever General who was leading you to victories is gone - he doesn't just come back as his brother/son/cousin/mother's aunt and pick right up again where he left off
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Mayby so that you cant come back to realm you created your frist char?
-Jaune
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what would stop you from:
1) just switching realms or
2) worse - just always coming back as a spy
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Morale?
-Jaune
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Clearly you wouldn't throw that word around if you played in Ikalak. :P
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Poor Ikalak. They started out strong, too.
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Ya I don't know what happened there, they were in a strong position and then suddenly they just collapsed. Odd though, from what I had been hearing I had expected Sandalak to be the first to collapse in on itself.
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Banning the somewhat popular Duke of Ikalak who got to appoint all of their lords didn't help Ikalak.
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Banning the somewhat popular Duke of Ikalak who got to appoint all of their lords didn't help Ikalak.
Considering you repeatedly broke the laws regarding appointing people who already had a position, it's not a surprise that you got banned. So congrats on bringing down Ikalak using internal conflicts. That kind of thing is completely opposed to the spirit of this island, which is about working together as a realm in constant warfare with other realms without politics. *slowclap*
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Join the Winner side, the side where Jaune is!
-Jaune
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Considering you repeatedly broke the laws regarding appointing people who already had a position, it's not a surprise that you got banned. So congrats on bringing down Ikalak using internal conflicts. That kind of thing is completely opposed to the spirit of this island, which is about working together as a realm in constant warfare with other realms without politics. *slowclap*
I think it's worth adding that this is the type of behaviour that's likely to get you frozen out of any future War Island incarnations. If you willfully sabotage a realm to its death just so that you can go on a power trip, you might get people running to get behind you on Dwilight, or even some other regular islands, but the War Island is a small place, and people aren't likely to just accept that sort of thing.
However, it will probably take 2 or 3 runs through before we shake out all the people who think that the War Island is the perfect place for them to seize power and rule with an iron fist, and damn all the people who would prefer that the realm be run more based on what's likely to win the war.
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I think it's worth adding that this is the type of behaviour that's likely to get you frozen out of any future War Island incarnations. If you willfully sabotage a realm to its death just so that you can go on a power trip, you might get people running to get behind you on Dwilight, or even some other regular islands, but the War Island is a small place, and people aren't likely to just accept that sort of thing.
However, it will probably take 2 or 3 runs through before we shake out all the people who think that the War Island is the perfect place for them to seize power and rule with an iron fist, and damn all the people who would prefer that the realm be run more based on what's likely to win the war.
Can do it faster than that. IG Bans based on family have always been allowed - these people are making a name for themselves that won't be forgotten by many any time soon.
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spirit of this island, which is about working together as a realm in constant warfare with other realms without politics. *slowclap*
If politics is to be completely removed from the equation, then shouldn't we simply consider to remove the ability to ban characters and switch allegiance?
If not, then what is the purpose of these options?
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If politics is to be completely removed from the equation, then shouldn't we simply consider to remove the ability to ban characters and switch allegiance?
If not, then what is the purpose of these options?
Switch allegiance I can see an argument for, but ban? Really? You think its sole purpose is "political"?
So you've never heard of anyone being banned for disobeying orders, or for attempting rebellion, or any other form of resistance against the authority of the realm leaders?
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Switch allegiance I can see an argument for, but ban? Really? You think its sole purpose is "political"?
So you've never heard of anyone being banned for disobeying orders, or for attempting rebellion, or any other form of resistance against the authority of the realm leaders?
I'm not saying that we should get rid any realm authority, but realistically where are characters going to go when banned if we OOC-frown upon switching allegiance? Just allow executions and be done with it. Make it that when you create a character on the War Islands you pick a realm and you either help that realm win or you stop playing that character, full stop.
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Which brings us back to - you get one char per reset; when he dies, you sit on the sidelines until the next time to play.
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Which brings us back to - you get one char per reset; when he dies, you sit on the sidelines until the next time to play.
What was the average time between resets on the old War Islands?
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There was no average time. As far as I know it was only once ever fully reset after Sandalak defeated the others. The second time the island was sunk as Taselak was winning after defeating Sandalak and almost defeating Ikalak.
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There was no average time. As far as I know it was only once ever fully reset after Sandalak defeated the others. The second time the island was sunk as Taselak was winning after defeating Sandalak and almost defeating Ikalak.
Well, how long did that take? I wasn't there, I have no sense of scale. It seems to be going pretty fast right now, but I don't know if that will resolve quickly or just reach a new equilibrium.
I could agree with Miskel's ideas if the islands reset every three months or so, but if they go on for years and years between resets then it does not sound like such a good idea.
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Well, how long did that take? I wasn't there, I have no sense of scale. It seems to be going pretty fast right now, but I don't know if that will resolve quickly or just reach a new equilibrium.
I could agree with Miskel's ideas if the islands reset every three months or so, but if they go on for years and years between resets then it does not sound like such a good idea.
Thought about that as well. However, my idea might actually help speed up play, if it caps player count. Not really sure how it would affect it - there haven't been many deaths so far.
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Thought about that as well. However, my idea might actually help speed up play, if it caps player count. Not really sure how it would affect it - there haven't been many deaths so far.
In an ideal world, there would be a regular influx of new players. This may mean that even though many died there are still enough new players to make the island run, and those who died a long time ago are just barred from playing there.
Now, granted, we are not in an ideal world....
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I think it's worth adding that this is the type of behaviour that's likely to get you frozen out of any future War Island incarnations. If you willfully sabotage a realm to its death just so that you can go on a power trip, you might get people running to get behind you on Dwilight, or even some other regular islands, but the War Island is a small place, and people aren't likely to just accept that sort of thing.
However, it will probably take 2 or 3 runs through before we shake out all the people who think that the War Island is the perfect place for them to seize power and rule with an iron fist, and damn all the people who would prefer that the realm be run more based on what's likely to win the war.
It was more like people who tryhard to get the position because they can then do nothing.
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In an ideal world, there would be a regular influx of new players. This may mean that even though many died there are still enough new players to make the island run, and those who died a long time ago are just barred from playing there.
Now, granted, we are not in an ideal world....
I don't think it would ever reach the point where the island wouldn't run. mortality isn't that high, for one thing, and once one side was weakened sufficiently, they'd lose the war naturally.
I'd just prefer to see a place where you have to actually deal with the real loss of certain chars. As it stands now, if I die I just come back as me again with less honor and so a smaller unit for a few weeks.
Hell, we even play our Ruler is Incarnate, so he dies, he comes back - we just make him ruler again, as a natural part of the RP. These aren't long-term players where there's an actual ripple of shock when someone dies
makes mortality a bit pointless, IMHO.
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Maybe for the next version, increase death rate?
It would be nice if something changed in a big way for each version.
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There was no average time. As far as I know it was only once ever fully reset after Sandalak defeated the others. The second time the island was sunk as Taselak was winning after defeating Sandalak and almost defeating Ikalak.
You talk as if there was only one South Island that was reset.
The South-West Island was reset when Taselak won in mid-2005. Its second incarnation was still running in the first half of 2007, and I believe it, too, was sunk around the time of Dwilight's launch without another victory.
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I have heard stories of Dukes seceding on the war islands in the past. If this is true, that is much more extreme than what I did. I stepped down from my lordship and moved to the front lines providing scout reports and assisting in take overs. I gave all the gold I got each tax to the new ruler. I spoke out against what I felt was wrong, but all my actions were in support of Ikalak. I never spied or participated in any of the 2 or 3 rebellions that were forming.
I didn't begin working against Ikalak until after I was banned. If you ban a duke there ate consequences.
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I have heard stories of Dukes seceding on the war islands in the past. If this is true, that is much more extreme than what I did. I stepped down from my lordship and moved to the front lines providing scout reports and assisting in take overs. I gave all the gold I got each tax to the new ruler. I spoke out against what I felt was wrong, but all my actions were in support of Ikalak. I never spied or participated in any of the 2 or 3 rebellions that were forming.
I didn't begin working against Ikalak until after I was banned. If you ban a duke there ate consequences.
But why were you banned in the first place?
It seems to me that this is likely to be the root of the problem.
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I was banned because I spoke out against the government. They never once tried to soak to me in private. They came out with a law specifically targeting me. They didn't bother talking to me about it before hand. They changed the law abruptly with no fire warning our discussion with the Duke and then at the same time as they announced it they made a very public spectacle out if it. I wasn't banned for at least a week after that. I complied with the law and spoke out against it.
I wasn't allowed to have any say in who the marshal if my army was and there were other very micro managing things going on. I sore my opinion and I knew there could be consequences for it, just as there ate consequences for banning a powerful noble.
It's not fair to set the blame on me for the disintegration of Ikalak. That realm had lots if infighting. There ate consequences to all actions in BM. If you make defections and seceding impossible on the war island then you take away a large part of what it means to be a noble.
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Let me throw out another wacky idea - seems a lot of the issues came from groups who planned to take over a realm and create a certain role play realm, a la Dwilight.
So,
randomly assign people to realms (at least for the initial setup period) like is done with Advies
Downside: you don't get to play with your friends
Upside: you don't get to play with your friends
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I don't think that was the problem at all. I know Sandalak had some trouble because of a religious group joining from another continent, but I don't think "roleplaying" itself was to blame. OOC groups, maybe, but they'd just travel to join realms anyway if they were randomly assigned.
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I don't believe Xander Kabrinski was the sole cause of the destruction of Ikalak from within. There were a lot of politicking, and our first ruler, and a few others in positions of power made some decisions which were not taken kindly by all the other nobles. That being said, I think Xander the character made some choices that were pretty influential in terms of bringing down Ikalak.
1) His first action as Duke was to build a tournament ground. Really? A tournament ground is what you decided to build FIRST in the WAR ISLAND?
2) He appointed himself Margrave of Ikalak, giving himself enormous amounts of power.
3) I'm not a Council member, and am not privy of the discussion, but I seriously doubt the law where a noble is not allowed to have more than one position is specifically targeted at you. It was the outcome of having so many active nobles in the realm, and wanting to spread the power around so that EVERYONE can have a bit of fun, instead of a few players holding multiple positions. Your reaction to this decision, in game and OOC, was to put it nicely, not good. It was becoming obvious that Xander was becoming too power hungry and coming up with lots of excuses to refuse stepping down as either Margrave or Duke.
4) I don't know what you mean that you are not allowed to have any say in who the Marshal of your army is. You know the rule about not nobles not allowed to have more than two positions. You can easily choose any other capable Marshals from your army.
5) I don't know about any micro management, so I shall not comment on that.
6) Finally, and quite importantly, the accusations that Xander was stealing gold from the tax office in one Ikalak's regions. I don't know if this is true or not, but IC, my char had reasons to believe he did. And this was the final straw in the camel's back, it seems.
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Xander did not steal gold and could not hide gold. The tax reports were quite clear on what my income was. The banker was accused of stealing gold but they couldn't prove it our even gain enough protests to kick him out. I still believe the reports of banker misconduct were forged. Then the Ruler changes government to make banker elected to get the banker out. The government took a very strict and totalitarian stance. It was almost as if we were all expected to play drones.
No, I was told quite specifically that I could not pick marshal. I was told who to appoint as Marshal and vice marshal. Had I gone against that, it would just be "one more reason". The one time I blatantly broke the law was to appoint a marshal to a lordship. He asked for the, lordship and knew the laws just as I. I didn't even realize he was a marshal. So my blatant law breaking was an accident. It's not the dukes job to enforce the law. If a noble wants to be lord and doesn't step down from their marshal position then the noble holding the two positions should be punished.
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I don't think that was the problem at all. I know Sandalak had some trouble because of a religious group joining from another continent, but I don't think "roleplaying" itself was to blame. OOC groups, maybe, but they'd just travel to join realms anyway if they were randomly assigned.
yes, but they'd be locked in their own realm for the first period, so they would miss out being able to collude at the beginning.
Assuming that was the problem - perhaps it wasn't. I assumed Ikalak went through something similar to Sandalak
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2) He appointed himself Margrave of Ikalak, giving himself enormous amounts of power.
Kinron is both the duke of Sandalak and the lord of Sandalak and you don't see us having any problem.
It is all about giving the position to the right person, especially someone who is dedicated to the realm.
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I'm quite certain the problems in Ikalak extended far beyond just Xander, for a very long time.
Notice I said just Xander, because it is quite obvious he was a very big problem as well. But it's pretty clear there were far bigger ones.
Doesn't matter now - your realm is on its knees, and I don't think your new leadership is going to help get you back in the game
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Well, you did have some issues initially from what I've heard.
The main problem I had with some people in key positions in Ikalak was not even ineptitude or OOC drama but how they were willing to actually actively harm the realm to make a point or.. god knows why else they'd do it.
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Like a General who ragequit and sent our army deployments to the other two generals after declaring the Queen his killer?
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You had a General rage quit as well?
Generals don't seem to fare well on the War Islands. :-X
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You had a General rage quit as well?
Generals don't seem to fare well on the War Islands. :-X
He is talking about Taselak. We have it worse. We have a general who I have heard isn't having fun any more so isn't playing that character, but is keeping the character alive and unpaused, the taking a very valuable position. What really irks me is he decided to do this right after he ran for re-election.
I will comment more on the Ikalak situation but to throw one tidbit out:
As Anaris stated, people expect to run the realm as is best for the military. That means not picking marshals because he is the duke's best friend (IC) people can shut the hell up with their OOC accusations or assumptions of accusations. The general of the realm decided who was best to be the marshal and from there the marshal's decided who was best to be the Vice-Marshals. In other words, those qualified to make a proper decision on the matter were the ones who made the decisions on who got Marshal and Vice-Marshal in Ikalak.
P.S. The ruler of Sandalak never died so please don't make accusations of him demanding to be made ruler right after his character dies. All I have heard from the player related to that is complaints his ruler hasn't been killed yet so someone else can have power. (He enjoys it and is quite good at being a ruler, he just is looking for proper atmosphere like high turnover)
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Our (Sandalak's) first general rage quit as well a few days after he was appointed (now a relative of his is the new King of Ikalak). I don't even remember exactly why any more. But then we got another one who has been quite calm (maybe a little too quiet from what I have heard) and we have Marshals and VMs and others who can pick up any slack. Holding on to power for the sake of it is a problem in many place in BM. So blaming one person won't get anyone anywhere. It's a team game. Luckily in Sandalak we overcame all our infighting and directed our energies at the other realms instead. If there are too many big egos in Ikalak that won't be the bigger man for the good of the team then as the old BM edict goes 'they deserve to die.' There's nothing to stop other nobles leaving if they don't like it there.
As an aside, Kurlock is called 'the immortal' because of that death duel he survived when the new character protection was in effect. He's called 'the Wyvern Incarnate' because that's what all our leaders will be called, chosen by the Wyvern to represent him on the mortal plane. Neither of those things means that if he dies the player will be able to make a new character and get the position back immediately.
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Yes, we know about your General. We also can't figure out why you haven't booted him from office or else simply picked someone to start listening to instead
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"The ruler of Sandalak never died so please don't make accusations of him demanding to be made ruler right after his character dies"
you misread - there was no accusation, it was a point about uselessness of mortality.
if he DID come back, and asked to be ruler, most likely we would be happy to give him the spot. it was only a future fiction of mine.
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Well if Kurlock dies, I won't be rejoining Sandalak. Why would I rejoin the realm I have already experienced?
Also, if Kurlock dies, that would be the end of his story. I have already enjoyed playing Kurlock and his death would complete him.
No need to ruin that experience by trying to replicate it by making another noble in Sandalak. It wouldn't be the same.
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Well if Kurlock dies, I won't be rejoining Sandalak. Why would I rejoin the realm I have already experienced?
Also, if Kurlock dies, that would be the end of his story. I have already enjoyed playing Kurlock and his death would complete him.
No need to ruin that experience by trying to replicate it by making another noble in Sandalak. It wouldn't be the same.
Fair enough. The real point is - you COULD. And a great many other players WOULD.
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Xander was the worst Duke I have ever witnessed. Not only was his decision questionable at least his attitude was also sucky. When people like the Judge and the Queen started to question him he went out of his way and started accusing them for an OOC clan.
This is what BM has degraded into and its really showing on the War Islands. If I don't get it my way I'll start whining OOC.
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Xander was the worst Duke I have ever witnessed. Not only was his decision questionable at least his attitude was also sucky. When people like the Judge and the Queen started to question him he want out of his way and started accusing them for an OOC clan.
This is what BM has degraded into and its really showing on the War Islands. If I don't get it my way I'll start whining OOC.
You too? We had that happen in Taselak too - I don't like what happened so there must be OOC clanning and power gaming.
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I had heard that War Islands were awesome back in the day. Now (for me at least) they suck. The only good thing is that I compiled a list of people I don't want to play with again.
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I had heard that War Islands were awesome back in the day. Now (for me at least) they suck. The only good thing is that I compiled a list of people I don't want to play with again.
That's a real terrible shame. Of course we always look back with some nostalgia, but I don't doubt it has been a bad experience for you. I've met people I really am going to be careful around in the future and other players I'm happy to have met.
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The main problem with the new incarnation of the War Island is that there was too much hype for it—even before I announced that it would be happening.
Everyone had this shining golden ideal of the War Island as the pinnacle of BattleMaster, and nothing could possibly have lived up to that. Furthermore, I think there must have been at least 12 groups per realm that were absolutely convinced that they would get to be in charge and they would get to define, all by themselves, what it meant to be xxx-lakian. When those groups clashed, they caused all the infighting that weakened Sandalak and crippled Ikalak.
Taselak was, in some sense, lucky that what they got was a load of multis, because when they were caught, they could just be locked, and the rest of us move on with our lives. Being selfish and foolish isn't reason enough to lock people, so the other two realms had to figure it all out for themselves.
From everything I've heard here, it strikes me that Dustole just wasn't expecting the War Island mindset. He was too much tied up in the way Dwilight works, with every noble being out for himself. And from everything I've seen of him, his nobles are fantastic on Dwilight, the FEI, and other islands. I just think he was expecting more of the same on the War Island, and wasn't prepared for what he actually found.
The War Islands aren't a place for intrigue, or arrogant Dukes who do their own thing and appoint their friends. They're a place for everyone to work together, usually under the direction of the General or Ruler. (Ideally those two will agree, so it'll be the direction of both.) The War Islands aren't a place for schemers who want to rise to power within their own realm at whatever cost; they're a place for ambitious, charismatic young strategists who can prove themselves in battle, then gain the support of the people and win high office that way. People who will lead, not just rule. People who will unite, not divide and conquer (within their own realm).
But finally...seriously, Dustole? A tournament grounds? What the hell was the point of that?
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The main problem with the new incarnation of the War Island is that there was too much hype for it—even before I announced that it would be happening.
Everyone had this shining golden ideal of the War Island as the pinnacle of BattleMaster, and nothing could possibly have lived up to that. Furthermore, I think there must have been at least 12 groups per realm that were absolutely convinced that they would get to be in charge and they would get to define, all by themselves, what it meant to be xxx-lakian. When those groups clashed, they caused all the infighting that weakened Sandalak and crippled Ikalak.
Taselak was, in some sense, lucky that what they got was a load of multis, because when they were caught, they could just be locked, and the rest of us move on with our lives. Being selfish and foolish isn't reason enough to lock people, so the other two realms had to figure it all out for themselves.
From everything I've heard here, it strikes me that Dustole just wasn't expecting the War Island mindset. He was too much tied up in the way Dwilight works, with every noble being out for himself. And from everything I've seen of him, his nobles are fantastic on Dwilight, the FEI, and other islands. I just think he was expecting more of the same on the War Island, and wasn't prepared for what he actually found.
The War Islands aren't a place for intrigue, or arrogant Dukes who do their own thing and appoint their friends. They're a place for everyone to work together, usually under the direction of the General or Ruler. (Ideally those two will agree, so it'll be the direction of both.) The War Islands aren't a place for schemers who want to rise to power within their own realm at whatever cost; they're a place for ambitious, charismatic young strategists who can prove themselves in battle, then gain the support of the people and win high office that way. People who will lead, not just rule. People who will unite, not divide and conquer (within their own realm).
This. No one was really sure what kind of mindset three realms constantly at war would mean. I think it's fantastic personally, but it certainly has taken getting used to.
I was a bit scared as General of Taselak to throw more people into the same communication channel, discuss plans more widely, not because I didn't think anyone would be up for it but because the flood of messages is crazy enough as it is. And I don't mind the people looking to help the realm win the war, it's only more negative, aggressive, undermining things which make it hard to read the flood. People freak out too because everyone has a desire to win the war and don't know everything which is being said, so having things more in the open is a good idea.
Plus with 80+ people, all hardened players with their own ideas of what to do, you can't run something yourself. You can't force people to follow you. Even if you think a few people seem to be on your side, you need to think of the 70 other players. You aren't going to rule forever, you aren't going to found your own realm or create any kind of entity that will outlast you aside from how well you fought in the war. How well you played with everyone else. And it is a very different beast from either old BM or new BM because we don't play like we did in old BM regardless of whatever anyone might think.
But finally...seriously, Dustole? A tournament grounds? What the hell was the point of that?
There's also an academy.
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I think it's getting used to the team spirit of the war island, things are a lot simpler and clearer as to our realm objectives and goals than they are on the other islands.
That being said, I also kind of think that this experience (for me at least) definitely is the sort of thing that helps destroy the whole ''us vs them'' mentality talked about in a different thread. I've had a lot of fun playing with the people I have, even started a new char on dwilight to play with some of them there too. Learned a ton about general game mechanics as well, little stuff that isn't readily apparent or easy to find on the wiki. Generally speaking the War Island has been an amazing experience for me. Enough Kudos cannot be given to Tom and the rest of the dev team for everything they've put into this.
As for hype, I didn't hear any of it, nor did I have experience with the previous incarnations. Although from the talk with the Duke of Ikalak I find it amusing that the general power style suggested is promoting people based on their skill and ability, almost like one should be given power based on their merits
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When those groups clashed, they caused all the infighting that weakened Sandalak and crippled Ikalak.
Yeah, Sandalak was on the verge of falling apart. We had quite a few people ragequit Sandalak and head somewhere else.
I did have a few chuckles at all the people leaving Sandalak for some other ealm because they didn't want all the OOC arguing, while at the same time we had people coming to Sandalak because of all the OOC arguing in Ikalak/Taselak.
Overall, I think that most of it was just a lot of personality clashes, and people having to find realms that offered the play style they wanted.
But finally...seriously, Dustole? A tournament grounds? What the hell was the point of that?
That was a place for Sandalak to party when they sacked the city. ;)
There's also an academy.
That could be useful. There are a LOT of people that want to become infiltrators, and need a place to train. I think they're all eager to try out the universal mortality thing. But it was probably a bit too early for it.
I do have to say that I'm a bit surprised with how aggressively Ikalak came out of the gate. Darn near an old-school zerg rush. It's surprising how quickly they imploded.
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I didn't appoint my "friends" I specifically made sure to spread the lordships around top the various factions and not show complete favoritism. I even buried the hatchet with my historical enemies and appointed them as lord so we could work together. I broke my "never trust a Himoura" rule and it bit me in the ass.
The tourney grounds were built right away before we ever got taxes. I made a public announcement and asked for donations to build it. Winner of the tournament was going to be lord of Ikalak city.
More people favored the idea than opposed it. They sent donations to pay for it and the realm as a whole had some say in whether or not we built a tourney grounds.
There was no intrigue or rebellion activities on my part. All my gold was sent to the ruler so they could point the realm in the direction they wanted. I stayed out if the capitol as much as possible so they would have no reason to think I was rebelling. I even encouraged the user of secret police to verify my sincerity and generosity. I did speak out publicly, but all actions I took were for the betterment of Ikalak. Micro managing and drones have no place on Abby island. What fun is a game where you are told almost every action you must take?
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As duke I was never included in any discussions even before I was vocal about my dislikes. I didn't even know about the Ik/Tas cease fire for a long time. That is why we zerg rushed Sandalak.
I was even told not to build a house of healing. Micro management and it was done poorly.
I could have sunk Ikalak quite easily by sabotaging the city, but didn't. I had loud of chances while I was in Ikalak to do the realm serious harm and never once took those opportunities until I WA banned.
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I could have sunk Ikalak quite easily by sabotaging the city, but didn't. I had loud of chances while I was in Ikalak to do the realm serious harm and never once took those opportunities until I WA banned.
Holding off on pressing the "nuke" button is not commendable or even worth noting in any way. If that is your only redeeming quality, you were an awful duke. It's like being proud that you don't kick your dog.
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Not pressing the nuke button was in reference to those saying I actively sabotaged the realm.
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Holding off on pressing the "nuke" button is not commendable or even worth noting in any way. If that is your only redeeming quality, you were an awful duke. It's like being proud that you don't kick your dog.
I think the point he's trying to make is that he didn't do so even when he had good reason to. It would be like not kicking a dog that you had every reason to kick.
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I broke my "never trust a Himoura" rule and it bit me in the ass.
That's the one rule you should never break.
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I do have to say that I'm a bit surprised with how aggressively Ikalak came out of the gate. Darn near an old-school zerg rush. It's surprising how quickly they imploded.
We had a fairly bold marshal on the eastern front. Then he got banned and we kinda halted.
The General was also quite active at first, but soon made a few tactical blunders and apparently lost interest.
I wish characters in power were forced to step down sooner if a player doesn't log in for days.
I could have sunk Ikalak quite easily by sabotaging the city, but didn't.
Oh. I guess we should all thank you after all.
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Holding off on pressing the "nuke" button is not commendable or even worth noting in any way. If that is your only redeeming quality, you were an awful duke. It's like being proud that you don't kick your dog.
I share the same thoughts.
Xander was banned because he was constantly getting into conflict with the government and was caught plotting against the government, particularly trying to have the judge replaced.
Btw, its even worse than that because its like saying well I didn't kick my dog until after he growled at me since Xander still tried to damage Ikalak.
But yeah he didn't get much sympathy from me when he said the ruler and judge were clanners OOC, and then after people told him to stop, he made nearly identical claims of clanning but instead in character. That's the one rule you should never break.
Stuff like that really bugs me. Don't get me wrong, its fair to be a little skeptical because of his family reputation, but some people have stated they will literally never give a Himoura or certain other families power.
His claims that he made a mistake trusting a Himoura is that the banker was appointed without giving an application which was the stated requirement, whereas Himoura and another both gave decent applications and were ignored. Because of that, Himoura protested the banker but that was supported by even the new ruler because the banker was caught stealing gold.
Dustole apparently and a few others were really annoying because they demanded a screen print to prove that the banker stole the gold or they wouldn't accept the messages the Queen gave as proof. Happily the queen did not do such because that is terrible game play to not let your characters make decisions but instead require yourself to know 100% OOC before willing to have your character accept something.
We had a fairly bold marshal on the eastern front. Then he got banned and we kinda halted.
The General was also quite active at first, but soon made a few tactical blunders and apparently lost interest.
I wish characters in power were forced to step down sooner if a player doesn't log in for days.Oh. I guess we should all thank you after all.
I don't want characters to be forced out sooner although I could perhaps understand only for WI. People should just step down if they don't have the time to play anymore but if someone is having issues in RL for a few days, as long as they aren't failing to do their duties they shouldn't be forced out of their position.
You might say, "Well they are inactive, of course they aren't doing their job" but thats not necessarily true. Sometimes there isn't things going on, and better generals should be working on strategy such that their absence for a few days is fine because their marshals are working on plans already laid out. (I mention generals specifically since they are the ones generally considered to be the ones needing to do things all the time, the most.)
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Anaris' post, +1
I tried to get it across to folks in Sandalak early that this is not a Dwilight-like RP island, but folks were already caught up in all the ideas they had brought with them, I think.
Dwilight is where the gamers have to step-aside, War Islands are where the RPers have to step aside. Forcing your heavy RP on a strategy island to the point where it is interfering with the game is unfair to the players who came there for warring.
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Penchant,
Your post is full of inaccuracies. I never once asked for a screen shot. I was never caught plotting against the government because there was no plot I was involved in despite being asked to participate in 2,or 3 rebel movements. The banker did post a letter applying for banker. Himoura didn't protest the banker he protested the Ruler...
That pretty much negated all the "factual" statements you just made. Further I admit that my choice of words about the Darkan clique were bad. I was trying to say that they don't break that rule and if you re read what I wrote I specifically said they weren't an OOC clan. I said they were inclusive with the lower level positions but it was unlikely anyone else would get government, city/town lords or dukes.
None of that even got brought up until we were accused of being a clique and so I started using that word to describe them. I was not the first to bring it OOC. That doesn't make my actions right. I lost my temper and was blunt. I stand by what I said, I just wish I had worded it differently. The Darkan Clique has a history of taking over realms just as the Himoura's have a history of betrayal and subterfuge.
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Penchant,
Your post is full of inaccuracies. I never once asked for a screen shot. I was never caught plotting against the government because there was no plot I was involved in despite being asked to participate in 2,or 3 rebel movements. The banker did post a letter applying for banker. Himoura didn't protest the banker he protested the Ruler...
That pretty much negated all the "factual" statements you just made. Further I admit that my choice of words about the Darkan clique were bad. I was trying to say that they don't break that rule and if you re read what I wrote I specifically said they weren't an OOC clan. I said they were inclusive with the lower level positions but it was unlikely anyone else would get government, city/town lords or dukes.
None of that even got brought up until we were accused of being a clique and so I started using that word to describe them. I was not the first to bring it OOC. That doesn't make my actions right. I lost my temper and was blunt. I stand by what I said, I just wish I had worded it differently. The Darkan Clique has a history of taking over realms just as the Himoura's have a history of betrayal and subterfuge.
To lie as a character in game is cool. To lie ooc so as to gain the sympathy of others is a new kind of low. Keep up the good work right now. I especially like the Darkan clique part.
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Dude, most of what you say is actually not exactly true. :-\
You did demand mechanical proof of theft.
You were caught plotting to depose the Judge.
The first banker didn't post a genuine resume. It was posted later, in an attempt to hide the fact he was appointed ooc.
Himoura protested both Queen and Banker. And he never betrayed anyone, unlike you.
You did accuse the second Queen and Judge of being an ooc clique, coordinating their plans on taking over Ikalak in irc. Although you failed to name any other members of their clique.
Just drop it now. Don't turn it into another ooc drama.
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Just drop it now. Don't turn it into another ooc drama.
This.
Or take it somewhere else where people care.
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Moderator note: Yeah, this thread is not going anywhere that's good. Locked. If you start a new one, I suggest toning down the hostility, everyone.