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BattleMaster => Locals => South Island => Topic started by: Jens Namtrah on June 05, 2014, 10:08:04 AM
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title. 'nuff said
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actually...
In a bit of personal quandary. Had my char planned, which made sense IG. Unfortunately, IG got pretty intertwined with OOC with all that mess, and I'd like to cut off the bits that might be misconstrued as carrying over the grudge. So, expect some schizophrenia from Earon for a few days while I figure him out
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So I dunno about folks in other realms but, for those who remember BM's heyday in 06-08, I'm starting to wonder if The Problem has been no War Islands. Because I'd frankly forgotten what a big realm was like, and a realm where there's a clear, decided, indisputable final objective. Sandalak feels to me (in all the good and bad ways) much like what most of BM felt like when I was newer around here: rowdy, feud-ridden, very little IC/OOC distinction, but (hopefully) team play. We'll see if team play shows up, I think it will.
Still though, I can't help think this might be what we've been missing these last few years of reduced player count.
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Player density rocks.
Which is kinda what I've been saying for a long time now.
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So I dunno about folks in other realms but, for those who remember BM's heyday in 06-08, I'm starting to wonder if The Problem has been no War Islands. Because I'd frankly forgotten what a big realm was like, and a realm where there's a clear, decided, indisputable final objective. Sandalak feels to me (in all the good and bad ways) much like what most of BM felt like when I was newer around here: rowdy, feud-ridden, very little IC/OOC distinction, but (hopefully) team play. We'll see if team play shows up, I think it will.
Still though, I can't help think this might be what we've been missing these last few years of reduced player count.
The IC/OOC distinction isn't necessarily a good thing but it is a good indicator of a bunch of people really intent on playing the game. Abuses happen as a result of it and I personally don't want it everywhere I am in. I'm sometimes tempted to advertise BM on the worst places possible to just see how the game reacts to a sudden influx of the lowest common denominator. Just tempted...
Taselak has a bit of peace going on at the moment since we're all just doing little things whilst waiting to see what actually happens. In the mean time I think a few more piss fights might actually be a good idea to get the blood going! As a ruler or judge the obvious decision usually seems to be to stop internal division happening but I think in future I'll do everything short of actively encouraging it.
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The IC/OOC distinction isn't necessarily a good thing but it is a good indicator of a bunch of people really intent on playing the game. Abuses happen as a result of it and I personally don't want it everywhere I am in. I'm sometimes tempted to advertise BM on the worst places possible to just see how the game reacts to a sudden influx of the lowest common denominator. Just tempted...
Taselak has a bit of peace going on at the moment since we're all just doing little things whilst waiting to see what actually happens. In the mean time I think a few more piss fights might actually be a good idea to get the blood going! As a ruler or judge the obvious decision usually seems to be to stop internal division happening but I think in future I'll do everything short of actively encouraging it.
Keep it to temptation! :P I personally wouldn't want Fark or Goonsquad playing BM. I play another game with those two communities involved (and once upon a time even 4chan or /b/ played) and.. well, I'm not sure they'd fit into the niche of BM.
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Keep it to temptation! :P I personally wouldn't want Fark or Goonsquad playing BM. I play another game with those two communities involved (and once upon a time even 4chan or /b/ played) and.. well, I'm not sure they'd fit into the niche of BM.
I'm glad you knew what I was thinking about. I know some people from those groups would love to play BM and even RP quite well (I met a few really good guys for international rping on /tg/) but depending on where you advertised you might get lots of interest from the wrong places. At the very least the titans would have their work cut out for them.
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So I dunno about folks in other realms but, for those who remember BM's heyday in 06-08, I'm starting to wonder if The Problem has been no War Islands. Because I'd frankly forgotten what a big realm was like, and a realm where there's a clear, decided, indisputable final objective. Sandalak feels to me (in all the good and bad ways) much like what most of BM felt like when I was newer around here: rowdy, feud-ridden, very little IC/OOC distinction, but (hopefully) team play. We'll see if team play shows up, I think it will.
I was around (with a different family) in those days, and my experience was SO different.
I started in a realm that was VERY dull, with established king/general/judge/lords and TOTAL stagnation. I think my first character saw no combat for weeks, and the older players had zero interest in engaging newcomers. I found other realms that were more active, but in general the game was the opposite of rowdy, and it seemed IMPOSSIBLE to get lordships or council seats, and I found exactly one other player that engaged in active, character to character RP.
Thinking back on it now, the longest RP going on was basically a story about the king's wedding and it was interminable. It went on forever, and involved no one else in the realm. Yeesh.
It's kind of funny how player experiences can be so world's apart, depending on region. For whatever reason, my experience this time around has been much more fun/lively.
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Out of curiosity, what realm and approximate date was that, if you don't mind sharing?
Battlemaster has always been a bit of a hit and miss affair. It is entirely possible that *your* realm is boring as hell and doing nothing, while the realm next to you is having the time of their lives fighting off three encroaching armies. I always encourage new players to start as many characters as they can, on different islands, and to not be shy about switching realms to find something that matches their desired play style.
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Out of curiosity, what realm and approximate date was that, if you don't mind sharing?
I needed to wiki my old family page for dates, but it was Eston in 2007.
I hate to complain about those guys- they were just playing the game they wanted to play. It is funny thinking back; I started a religion (still going strong) and someone then decided they wanted their own religion, state-sponsored, which became dominant in the realm.... so even when I tried to do something to keep things interesting for myself, an older player stepped in and made it difficult/boring. I couldn't win! Hahahaha...
Again, things are MUCH BETTER this time around.
Battlemaster has always been a bit of a hit and miss affair. It is entirely possible that *your* realm is boring as hell and doing nothing, while the realm next to you is having the time of their lives fighting off three encroaching armies. I always encourage new players to start as many characters as they can, on different islands, and to not be shy about switching realms to find something that matches their desired play style.
Oh yeah. And like I said, it's funny how different experiences can be. I recruited one friend who had a blast, and one who couldn't have been more bored. Luck of draw.
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I needed to wiki my old family page for dates, but it was Eston in 2007.
Ah man I was there back then. I learnt to take orders and get killed by Falasan. Actively thinking about strategy? Why? We have one already!
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Ah man I was there back then. I learnt to take orders and get killed by Falasan. Actively thinking about strategy? Why? We have one already!
I would have LOVED to have gotten killed by Falasan. That would have meant activity.
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I needed to wiki my old family page for dates, but it was Eston in 2007.
BAHAHAHA.
Yeah Atamara.
But right across your border in 2007 was NORLLAAAAAAAAANNND!!!! Possibly the most ridiculous thing ever to grace Battlemaster. And where I got my start.
Though you are right that player density makes it harder to get titles.
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yeah, same here - actually start late 2006/early 2007 in Wetham but then moved to Norland, then spread myself around. Loved it when I found the Barony - I think 75% were either from Wisconsin/Minn/Upper Michigan or else Scandinavians, so we could all sit and play with the same "Viking" accent ;D
Never a quiet moment in those days. And it WAS hard to get a title - made them actually worth something
These days, you can just walk right into them. We've had an empty region in Talerium the entire time I've been there; the Duke can't be bothered to look for a lord, and none of the players seem to have figured out all they have to do is ask for it. Or something - dunno.
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yeah, same here - actually start late 2006/early 2007 in Wetham but then moved to Norland, then spread myself around. Loved it when I found the Barony - I think 75% were either from Wisconsin/Minn/Upper Michigan or else Scandinavians, so we could all sit and play with the same "Viking" accent ;D
Never a quiet moment in those days. And it WAS hard to get a title - made them actually worth something
These days, you can just walk right into them. We've had an empty region in Talerium the entire time I've been there; the Duke can't be bothered to look for a lord, and none of the players seem to have figured out all they have to do is ask for it. Or something - dunno.
Norland was a great realm. Started there in 2006 as well...still is the best realm i've played. It was sad to see it gone.
Today you can join a realm and become a lord just for showing up.
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Today you can join a realm and become a lord just for showing up.
That's definitely not true on East Island or South Island.
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Even now, it really is possible to just get a lordship for showing up. I joined in 2004 and played a mindless knight for probably around 2 RL years, and only got a lordship after everyone more senior to me had gone through one, or died, or - etc. These days, nobody is going to stick around 2 RL years for a lordship.
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Silly Sandals that fell against Taselak in the first conflict between the two.
Keirdynos Karstark, Knight of Gwohadda has been wounded by Household Guards (34).
Dalia Telrunya, Countess of Gwohadda has been wounded by Fonzi Guards (29).
Jeffrey Gyfford, Noble of Sandalak has been wounded by Mastersson Guards (39).
Kazimir Zvjezdan Lux, Knight of Adrelhia has been wounded by Laroche Guards (36).
Seven Lancelot, Knight of Ibyp has been wounded by Talratheon Guards (44).
And of course my favourite:
Kurlock Lapallanch, Wyvern Incarnate of Sandalak, Royal of Sandalak has been wounded by Lae'Knaught Lancers (35).
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And of course my favourite:
Kurlock Lapallanch, Wyvern Incarnate of Sandalak, Royal of Sandalak has been wounded by Lae'Knaught Lancers (35).
TIS WAS ONLY A FLESH WOUND!
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Haha, it was actually pretty even. 6 wounded in Sandalak, 4 wounded in Taselak despite the victory. Those Sandy crotches aren't going to go down without a fight. What was the tally in the fight with Ikalak?
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Gee, I wonder if the war would be going better if we had the God of War on our side? :p
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We don't need your silly war god. We have TWO OF OUR OWN!
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Haha, it was actually pretty even. 6 wounded in Sandalak, 4 wounded in Taselak despite the victory. Those Sandy crotches aren't going to go down without a fight. What was the tally in the fight with Ikalak?
If you're referring to our first major engagement (in Triewa), there were four Sandalak wounded:
Alesoun Greneburie, Dame of Adrelhia has been wounded by Penchant Guards (18).
Misty Ketchum, Dame of Sandalak has been wounded by Hormondson Guards (10).
Nori Yamato, Noble of Sandalak has been wounded by Winter's Blizzard (29).
Earon Hemmings, Knight of Adrelhia has been wounded by Eastwood Guards (5).
And one for Ikalak:
Godwyn Winter-Born, Knight of Dakan has been wounded by Hemmings Guards (35).
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Gee, I wonder if the war would be going better if we had the God of War on our side? :p
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Doubt that would have made any difference. After all, Sartan is famous for losing wars :o
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Gee, I wonder if the war would be going better if we had the God of War on our side? :p
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I suppose lost wars technically count as well... :P
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Doubt that would have made any difference. After all, Sartan is famous for losing wars :o
I want something that represents me laughing forever in a kind of jittery, lazy eyed fashion.
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Gee, I wonder if the war would be going better if we had the God of War on our side? :p
I think its safe to say that all the bickering and infighting (to death in a few cases) and generally ignoble behavior by the nobles of Sandalak was embarrassing enough that the God of War left us alone to dine on our own humble pie.
No god is going to bless any army that regularly insults him and his followers, after all.
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Judging by the fate of nearly every realm that has ever followed Sartan, I think Sandalak would be better off without him.
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Judging by the fate of nearly every realm that has ever followed Sartan, I think Sandalak would be better off without him.
haha good one.
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And now we have Sartan vs the Order of Elders on BT, too! Oh joy, my life is complete.
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I cannot say how badly I hate Sartan. There literally are not words for my loathing of that particular deity.
Did he really get chosen as one of Sandalak's prime figures?
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No.
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Hallelujah.
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I cannot say how badly I hate Sartan. There literally are not words for my loathing of that particular deity.
Did he really get chosen as one of Sandalak's prime figures?
No, of course not. That didn't stop a bunch of horrendous players from behaving as if that were true, throwing a super hissy fit, and rage-quitting in as public of a fashion as possible.
I find it hilarious beyond words that an imaginary deity in an imaginary world bothers you so much. It certainly isn't anything near as hegemonic as Sanguis Astroism. But whatever Sartan was in the past (that seems to have pissed off such a vocal few of you), I doubt you would recognize much of the old Sartan in today's order.
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BTW, I'm no theologian, but I'm pretty sure every god is an !@#$%^& if you judge the deity by the failure of his/her followers.
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...stuff...
Do NOT re-open this ridiculous, inflammatory, trolling, flame-fest on the forums.
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Do NOT re-open this ridiculous, inflammatory, trolling, flame-fest on the forums.
Sartan is not an issue. Really. Everyone should stop making it one.
Now the Magna Aenilia Ecclesia... that was a religion I could get behind.
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Judging by the fate of nearly every realm that has ever followed Sartan, I think Sandalak would be better off without him.
Well Coralynth, Sorraine and Arcaea (let's face it - it's run by Sartanians nowadays ) all seem to be doing pretty well :p
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Well Coralynth, Sorraine and Arcaea (let's face it - it's run by Sartanians nowadays ) all seem to be doing pretty well :p
That's because a non-Sartanian realm helped them out because it benefitted them.
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That's because a non-Sartanian realm helped them out because it benefitted them.
This.
Arcaea wasn't really Sartanian. It was mostly Order of the Elders, until Magnus went on an insane power trip and started abusing his secular power for religious purposes. This got Arcaea pissed at OoE. Sorraine got its ass kicked by OW (who follow some dragon cult), and would have been wiped out had they not signed their sovereignty away to the Arcaean Empire.
Coralynth has never really faced any serious threats. It is completely sheltered by Arcaea. There is no indication that Coralynth wouldn't just flow and collapse like every other Sartanian-dedicate realm that ever existed.
I'm not saying that a realm dedicated to Sartan *can't* be successful. Just that it's never happened so far.
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This.
Arcaea wasn't really Sartanian. It was mostly Order of the Elders, until Magnus went on an insane power trip and started abusing his secular power for religious purposes. This got Arcaea pissed at OoE. Sorraine got its ass kicked by OW (who follow some dragon cult), and would have been wiped out had they not signed their sovereignty away to the Arcaean Empire.
Coralynth has never really faced any serious threats. It is completely sheltered by Arcaea. There is no indication that Coralynth wouldn't just flow and collapse like every other Sartanian-dedicate realm that ever existed.
I'm not saying that a realm dedicated to Sartan *can't* be successful. Just that it's never happened so far.
This goes back to when Arcaea was an MAE realm. After they beat Sartania they changed their tact and took in the Sartanian's they'd defeated, promising them lands in their OTHER enemies' homes. It worked out well for both parties. I haven't been around for a while, is religion really a thing in Arcaea now?
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Not really, no. Much the same as it ever was - tolerant to all religions that can co-exist peacefully. OoE couldn't, so it got kicked out.
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Sometimes I wonder if Tom isn't just a brilliant yet Germanically evil sociologist, using us as test subjects.
Das Experiment
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Let's just all step back and remember that Sartan was just a whiney little brother to the REAL God of War and Battle, Qyrvagg.
I suppose not a lot of folks probably remember Qyrvaggism, despite it being one of the older religions in BM, with one of the more amusing origins stories, I think.
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I say more beers(on me of course :P ) and regroup, kick those infidels realms out of our lands.
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Do NOT re-open this ridiculous, inflammatory, trolling, flame-fest on the forums.
I refuse to relinquish my ability to reply to people who say silly things. If you want to yell at someone for bringing up Sartan, you should yell at Woefly.
Regardless, it seems we are actually capable of having a conversation without the mod hammer you guys wield too quickly too often. Can you guys relax a little until there is an actual NEED for your intervention?
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You might wanna listen to the man.
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I refuse to relinquish my ability to reply to people who say silly things. If you want to yell at someone for bringing up Sartan, you should yell at Woefly.
Regardless, it seems we are actually capable of having a conversation without the mod hammer you guys wield too quickly too often. Can you guys relax a little until there is an actual NEED for your intervention?
Some Things:
1.Woelfy had no way of knowing there were IG issues, thus it is you that is trying to bring up issues that already happened again.
2. Talking about Sartan is not an issue, arguing about its validity in Sandalak or other continents when there were just OOC issues is.
3. No, waiting for !@#$ to go bad and people getting angry at each other is not the preferential moderator policy. Stopping things before they become an issue is.
4. You can tone down your complaints about not relaxing.
(a) I or other mods could have easily justified deleting your post, because of Indirik's noted issue, but as well because you are insulting people in it, which is against forum policy.
(b) You aren't seeing issues because of the work of the mods. I have been on this forum well over 2 years now and I know prior to this much more proactive moderating the forum was often full of very heated arguments with aggression on both sides.
When I am on IRC, I ask people why they don't go on the forums and they say its because of the issues in the past so they don't want worry about being attacked when they post or they just don't like the atmosphere because of issues like that.
I and I am rather sure the other moderators don't appreciate you constantly complaining about our evidently successful moderating policy. If you have an issue with a particular action, instead of complaining all around the forum, please send me or another mod a private message.
If you have an issue with what I said, feel free to send me a private message or see if you can catch me on IRC and talk about it there, but do not argue here. If you would like to have a discussion on moderator policy, I would not see an issue with creating a topic under the Community Section, "This Forum" board.
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Anywho...
Once again drinking beer, feeling calm, but it's Buffet this time.
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We are actually a bit of a disaster as a War Machine, but starting to have fun finally. In sort of a "Three Stooges" sort of way.
That enormous force 4 hours march from us? Nah, I'm sure they're just there for the fishing.
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I refuse to relinquish my ability to reply to people who say silly things. If you want to yell at someone for bringing up Sartan, you should yell at Woefly.
You can reply. Just don't be post trolling flamebait on topics that are better left dead.
We've had the whole Sartan flamefest IG, and you saw what happened. Why the hell would you want to bring it all back out onto the forum, unless you were deliberately trying to rekindle the flamewar here? Or do you think that discussion on the forums is somehow inherently more capable of treating the matter in more rationale, mature manner than IG debate, despite the fact that it's all the same players having the discussion?
Regardless, it seems we are actually capable of having a conversation without the mod hammer you guys wield too quickly too often. Can you guys relax a little until there is an actual NEED for your intervention?
We tried that before. It failed miserably, drove a crapload of people away from the forums, and possibly the game, and lead to the more active mod policy that we currently use. (Which was, I might add, demanded by the forum users.) The fact that you weren't around when it happened doesn't mean that we're required to let the whole charlie foxtrot happen all over again, just so you can experience it and agree that yeah, that wasn't such a good idea. You'll just have to trust that we know what we're doing, whether you personally like it or not. Sometimes the things that are best for the community aren't necessarily to someone's personal taste.
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I refuse to relinquish my ability to reply to people who say silly things. If you want to yell at someone for bringing up Sartan, you should yell at Woefly.
Oi! I didn't bring the bloody thing up. I asked for clarification of rumours. Don't try to point the blame for your ridiculous-ness on me. I am the very last person you want to do that with.
Indirik is 100% correct. Lots of people have left the game because of the forum and the nonsense that goes on here. There is no need to make that worse, Qyasogk.
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Not really, no. Much the same as it ever was - tolerant to all religions that can co-exist peacefully.
That's what you think :p
There may well be a coup d'etat when Velax eventually shuffles off the mortal coil ;)
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When I am on IRC, I ask people why they don't go on the forums and they say its because of the issues in the past so they don't want worry about being attacked when they post or they just don't like the atmosphere because of issues like that.
Same reason I don't use IRC tbh. You can have your fellow players flame you in real time. :P
But anyway the whole IRC/Forum use thing is a tangent. We can get back to discussing the realm now and preferably not involving IG religions. Things have finally settled down regarding the government. I hope.
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If you have an issue with what I said, feel free to send me a private message or see if you can catch me on IRC and talk about it there, but do not argue here. If you would like to have a discussion on moderator policy, I would not see an issue with creating a topic under the Community Section, "This Forum" board.
Wait, people act differently on a real-time service where they have anonymity? I highly doubt that.
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...when Velax eventually shuffles off the mortal coil ;)
You'll be waiting a while. ;)
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You'll be waiting a while. ;)
The Church is good at waiting :p
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Anywho...
Once again drinking beer, feeling calm, but it's Buffet this time.
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We are actually a bit of a disaster as a War Machine, but starting to have fun finally. In sort of a "Three Stooges" sort of way.
That enormous force 4 hours march from us? Nah, I'm sure they're just there for the fishing.
Your character is a funny and witty one, do keep it up! ;D
We need to be chopping Hydra heads with our Griffins and Wvyerns numerous spawns ;)
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We are actually a bit of a disaster as a War Machine
Yup. We really are.
I'm still perplexed why we didn't send at least some token force south to start TOing uncontested regions to build our tax base... seems like it was a blindingly obvious thing to do.
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I've suggested it a few times. No one seems to be wanting to take charge. I think our ruler and general both have hit very busy RL periods, and don't have a lot of time to play. I guess someone else will have to step up ad take charge...
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I think part of the problem is that once our armies were wiped out, we were basically SOL because almost none of the recruitment centers had been expanded and filled to capacity yet - so you had this huge influx of people trying to recruit all at once, and only 15 or so recruits a day showing up. Without armies, orders are pointless. A 5 man unit can assist with a takeover, but it will have almost 0 effect on the outcome of the takeover. You really still do need big units (50+) to get !@#$ done when taking regions.
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That was before the WIP came in, it's meant to be easier to take regions now right? (Or maybe I just dreamed that bit.)
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That was before the WIP came in, it's meant to be easier to take regions now right? (Or maybe I just dreamed that bit.)
It has nothing to do with taking regions being hard. It has to do with going there quickly and actually doing it.
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I've suggested it a few times. No one seems to be wanting to take charge. I think our ruler and general both have hit very busy RL periods, and don't have a lot of time to play. I guess someone else will have to step up ad take charge...
Yeah, and I blame THAT on the inability of most BM players over the many years to understand the difference between a General and a Marshal. General should be able to be busy RL, because he only has to give out a sense of what he wants accomplished.
It's interesting to watch - Kurlock is running things exactly how I've always argued they should be in the game (small armies, General giving out goals), but no one understands how exactly they do that because they aren't used to playing that way. It requires communication and very active Marshals and Vice Marshals.
Coming together finally, though.
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Yeah, and I blame THAT on the inability of most BM players over the many years to understand the difference between a General and a Marshal. General should be able to be busy RL, because he only has to give out a sense of what he wants accomplished.
It's interesting to watch - Kurlock is running things exactly how I've always argued they should be in the game (small armies, General giving out goals), but no one understands how exactly they do that because they aren't used to playing that way. It requires communication and very active Marshals and Vice Marshals.
Coming together finally, though.
We will have to do this the hard way. We will lose a bit and bleed quite a bit but I am sure people will eventually get used to the idea.
I think I am learning few things from the whole multi army plan.
1) Many people are used to leading at least 10k CS. Something sizable not as fragmented as what they have in Sandalak.
2) You can't just give them a vague goal to people and hope them to organize a plan cause people just can't do it. So the general has to be a bit more detailed still. Maybe in a form of suggestion. Still goals should be clear and you need to make sure what you want people to do.
3) People are too used to following orders from generals. Well to be honest, most realms rely too much on their generals to do everything. People just don't know how to split the work. Though people have some general understandnig of what general and marshal should be like they don't quite able to produce what they think in their heads.
4) There are some eager marshals but they want bigger armies not something they can't do anything with cause they don't really know how to communicate with another marshal to combine their forces in one area.
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one other important point - with smaller armies, Marshals are going to have to pay attention to knowing their men (players)
If you Marshal 20k & order a march to Region X, you can count on 15K getting there. If you marshal 10 nobles, you need to know how many you can count on most of the time
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The more armies you have, the stronger a lead the leaders need to take. You can't lead by committe. Someone at the top needs to set the goal, and tell people to do it. "Take region x." Then let the marshals handle the details.
If you just make general suggestions, then people will just talk forever and no one will actually make the move.
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The more armies you have, the stronger a lead the leaders need to take. You can't lead by committe. Someone at the top needs to set the goal, and tell people to do it. "Take region x." Then let the marshals handle the details.
If you just make general suggestions, then people will just talk forever and no one will actually make the move.
This. People can get together when times are tough and lead even without a General, but the confusion is often a really big risk to take. A General may be able to stand back to let everyone do their thing, but they need to be around whatever the situation. Give your orders and your plan clearly, but even then you have to keep an eye on things. The 'details' include things like making sure troops get somewhere on time, or that the soldiers are paid, or individual requests from troop leaders are dealt with.
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Absolutely. I've long believed that Marshals should be the ones giving orders and that Generals should be the ones setting goals. But goals have to be clear: "you take over region X, you defend region Y", "go on a raid into realm Z's territory, loot regions you pass through", etc.
And it is vital that the General, who is the only one seeing the big picture, makes sure that Marshals know where other armies are and that Marshals know who they should speak to if they need support.
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Absolutely. I've long believed that Marshals should be the ones giving orders and that Generals should be the ones setting goals. But goals have to be clear: "you take over region X, you defend region Y", "go on a raid into realm Z's territory, loot regions you pass through", etc.
And it is vital that the General, who is the only one seeing the big picture, makes sure that Marshals know where other armies are and that Marshals know who they should speak to if they need support.
That's exactly the point. Generals have access to all the information in game that marshals don't.
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That's exactly the point. Generals have access to all the information in game that marshals don't.
Nope. He doesn't get all the details anymore. Only marshals and sponsors can see exact CS of each TL.
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That is unfortunately true. But they do still get the location of all members of each army. So, they do know where each army is, and should know what the army is doing. They have that big picture focus that the marshals don't usually need.
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General + Sponsor = all problems solved!
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General + Sponsor = all problems solved!
Ah, the fruits of capitalism.
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There is no calm, we have war right now. Good battles, good way to increase honor and prestige. And what with Immortal Kurlock got himself wounded in battle? ::)
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There is no calm, we have war right now. Good battles, good way to increase honor and prestige. And what with Immortal Kurlock got himself wounded in battle? ::)
TIS WAS MERELY A FRESH WOUND!
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Hey guys I recently changed my class to Hero, let's see how long until -- HRrrhrk.
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Hey guys I recently changed my class to Hero, let's see how long until -- HRrrhrk.
You're mortal anyways... no change I think...
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I was making fun of the fact that Kurlock posted about switching class to Hero, and then was almost immediately wounded, I think.
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I wonder if changing to hero on South Island increases your mortality chance... but since Kurlock is a midget, he's hard to hit anyway.
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I'm fairly certain that heroes have a higher chance of getting killed than non-heroes. That was how it was implemented on BT for the invasion there that had universal mortality. That same system was recycled for the south island.
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Lets see how far Kurlock manages to outfight his enemies in close combat. He seems to be an interesting combination midget+hero+immortal+*coming soon*+. . . .end
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Lets see how far Kurlock manages to outfight his enemies in close combat. He seems to be an interesting combination midget+hero+immortal+*coming soon*+. . . .end
Midget. Hero. Lover. Pineapple aficionado. Immortal.
This is his story.
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Totally unrelated question:
can you emigrate from the war island?
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Totally unrelated question:
can you emigrate from the war island?
I would assume not, since I heard the devs saying that the database for South Island is somewhat separated from the rest of the game. Stuff like having a character there not counting towards your limit etc. Good question though, because the South Island, with almost continuous battle, makes for some very valuable characters.
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can you emigrate from the war island?
No. You cannot immigrate to, emigrate from, or be deported from or to the war island. It is completely disconnected from the rest of the world. Even family gold is disconnected. Characters on the war island cannot send gold to their families, get gold from their families, or perform region investments. (I would assume that Anaris also disconnected the other family gold avenues as well, including bounties, ransoms, buying regions, using family influence, etc.)
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So the Earon Hemmings my character mortally wounded on Dwilight isn't the same Earon Hemmings on Sandalak. Good to know!
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No. You cannot immigrate to, emigrate from, or be deported from or to the war island. It is completely disconnected from the rest of the world. Even family gold is disconnected. Characters on the war island cannot send gold to their families, get gold from their families, or perform region investments. (I would assume that Anaris also disconnected the other family gold avenues as well, including bounties, ransoms, buying regions, using family influence, etc.)
Sadface. I used the old war islands to buff H/P before sending my characters out on political careers.
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Sadface. I used the old war islands to buff H/P before sending my characters out on political careers.
Do we know what will happen to our nobles after the war is won?
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I imagine that the winners of Ikalak shall revel in their glory all the way until the island is flooded again. :P
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I think there should be a gentleman's agreement... Last realm standing has a massive duel-implosion of doom.
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TIS WAS MERELY A FRESH WOUND!
It is probably not a good idea to say Kurlock got wounded even on forum. Now my character got wounded too, Wvyern curse! :P
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So the Earon Hemmings my character mortally wounded on Dwilight isn't the same Earon Hemmings on Sandalak. Good to know!
You didn't mortally wound him, a well-known infiltrator did and you've been trying to take credit.
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Fen'Harel Windblack, Knight of Saenna has been wounded by Ageama (1)
Fen'Harel Windblack, Knight of Saenna has been wounded by Swords Bearer (19).
Fen'Harel Windblack, Knight of Saenna has been seriously wounded by Ageama (1).
Never beaten! Never backed down! The Dread Wolf shall soon be alright!
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Never beaten! Never backed down! The Dread Wolf shall soon be alright!
ROFL what a man. I think if Kurlock was in that battle taking so many hits, he would have died ;)
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ROFL what a man. I think if Kurlock was in that battle taking so many hits, he would have died ;)
Yup, this was kind of epic. Now it'd be a shame if he dies from wounds worsening :P
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Yup, this was kind of epic. Now it'd be a shame if he dies from wounds worsening :P
We saw the notice in the battle from over here. nice.
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Sandalak starts to gel its armies together after the first few defeats in battles and with impressive results. We win all the battles afterwards up to the first battle in Ikalak city, it remains to be sees if Ikalak will come out of it.
And 10 top Honor nobles go to... Sandalak nobles. I think Sandalak has become a better place now 8)
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Sandalak starts to gel its armies together after the first few defeats in battles and with impressive results. We win all the battles afterwards up to the first battle in Ikalak city, it remains to be sees if Ikalak will come out of it.
And 10 top Honor nobles go to... Sandalak nobles. I think Sandalak has become a better place now 8)
What is it, two weeks and the island has completely changed?
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More like 3 weeks. We got hammered at the beginning but once we got rid of all the problems, we start blazing our way through to victory 8)
100% movement rate in Ikalak. Now that is impressive. What was it? 34 players showing up perfectly? Just wow.
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Let's just hope it keeps up! ;D
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Going to be an interesting next few days.
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I only came for the beer. Where's the cooler?
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Yup, this was kind of epic. Now it'd be a shame if he dies from wounds worsening :P
Your heathen character can't die until Andraste gets the opportunity to kill him in righteous Exaltation.
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Your heathen character can't die until Andraste gets the opportunity to kill him in righteous Exaltation.
Good luck getting 20 ton TNT to break the "Scale of Adrelhia"! ;)
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(http://i.imgur.com/MUHxX0U.png)
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"Raaaaawwwwwwwwwrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!"
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How does Sandalak have full recruitment centres? I never saw any available inf/arch when I was in Ikalak.
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What is it, two weeks and the island has completely changed?
More like "when we have foes outside, we focus on them instead of when we being kept inside the lands in initial beginning, we focus on ourselves".
(http://i.imgur.com/MUHxX0U.png)
Nice picture, thumb up :D
"Raaaaawwwwwwwwwrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!"
Look, it is Wvyern! Griffin! They are onto us!
How does Sandalak have full recruitment centres? I never saw any available inf/arch when I was in Ikalak.
By drinking more beer and sober up... :P
On serious note, it all down to most basic steps.
If you not have your units destroyed or every noble need to recruit at same time, then the recruitment centers are all filled up. Coupled with Draft Recruits.
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We built a LOT of recruitment centers. We enlarged them. We kept all but the worst ones. We drafted a lot of troops. We win battles.
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We built a LOT of recruitment centers. We enlarged them. We kept all but the worst ones. We drafted a lot of troops. We win battles.
Seriously, it's so easy guys! :P
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You have to remember we failed first before two realms. We faced all the problems before everyone.
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You have to remember we failed first before two realms. We faced all the problems before everyone.
I think it's good since we're all relearning the ropes. Some of us are returning players getting used to new mechanics, and a lot of us are just now seeing how they should fight on a War Island - particularly post several years since the last one sank. There have been major hiccups on the way, but ultimately we're playing to learn and have fun.
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The elite centres are always short on recruits but the medium ones have alwayss recruits ready and waiting.
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Some realms seem to keep SFs around. I wonder why :o
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You have to remember we failed first before two realms. We faced all the problems before everyone.
We all learn from our mistakes... A winner never quits, a quitter never wins!
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If you not have your units destroyed or every noble need to recruit at same time, then the recruitment centers are all filled up. Coupled with Draft Recruits.
Ikalak never had recruits even when they were winning early.
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Ikalak never had recruits even when they were winning early.
Try draft recruit... When Sandalak was losing early, we had no recruit either, most of our units are destroyed or thinned down to last few men. The lords kept draft recruits till the city and regions morale were low. There are bound to be a few recruits each day in recruitment centers unless the regions are not under good realm control.
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Try draft recruit... When Sandalak was losing early, we had no recruit either, most of our units are destroyed or thinned down to last few men. The lords kept draft recruits till the city and regions morale were low.
This. I bumped the inf center in Sandalak to size 3, and just kept drafting every turn. I had morale down into the 30's, and control constantly dipping down into Main, and people were still screaming for more recruits. We spent a LOT of money building RCs. Our lords lost a lot of fighting time just building and trying to keep up with the necessary drafts. The armies just went out with whatever they had available to do TOs, even if it was 10 or 15 men each. Then we started cycling armies for refit. The 5 army system seems to be shaping up, after some initial roughness. It's a lot easier to get recruits if only 16 people are trying, instead of 80.
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Gotta say, Sandalak is working like what I have envisioned at the beginning. Multiple armies, multiple marshals working together... WITHOUT ME DOING ANYTHING! Now I am gonna sit back and enjoy Seattle!
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Gotta say, Sandalak is working like what I have envisioned at the beginning. Multiple armies, multiple marshals working together... WITHOUT ME DOING ANYTHING! Now I am gonna sit back and enjoy Seattle!
So your goal all along was... Seattle? Odd choice...
;D