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BattleMaster => Locals => Dwilight => Topic started by: Zakilevo on August 16, 2014, 06:44:45 AM
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Morek seems to be bleeding nobles. They don't even have enough nobles to fill all their regions. They have 35 regions but they only have 23 nobles. What is going on?
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Hasn't it always been this way?
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More regions than nobles is not a new thing, but I think twice as many regions as nobles is.
So much for increasing density by shrinking available land.
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More regions than nobles is not a new thing, but I think twice as many regions as nobles is.
So much for increasing density by shrinking available land.
That's not a very meaningful comment. Morek was least affect by the monsters of all the Dwilight realms.
So...have many nobles/players quit recently for some reason? Has it been this way for a while? I was just on the island a few months ago, don't recall this (although I wasn't looking for it)
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Based on my brief experience in Morek I'm not surprised - it's a mostly dead realm with its defining feature being an inactive religion which nonetheless acts to block any kind of change in Morek. The whole realm is really overdue for some sort of collapse back to a core area, freeing up space for other realms to spring up.
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My experience there was similar, it's going to collapse in on itself soon, which I can only see as good, because it will allow for more active, if smaller realms to pop up.
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Vibrant new realms can only spring up if there are people in the area ready to take advantage of—or even cause—Morek's collapse. And it can't just be any old power-hungry nobles, if you want the new realms to be viable: it needs to be people with a significant following, and with a solid idea for how to run a new realm.
Old, large, inactive realms don't just collapse into a bunch of new, small, active realms spontaneously. The most likely thing to happen is for other old, large realms to bite chunks off Morek and grow larger themselves.
If you want there to be a vibrant, new realm in Morek's lands, you need to come up with a solid idea for a new realm, put yourself in Morek's lands (which is to say, in Morek) and start making friends.
(And I would caution that "a solid idea for a new realm," contrary to what seems to be popular belief, doesn't need to be something amazing, new, and cool. It's actually better for your long-term viability if it's something relatively conventional. Too many people try to do something nobody's ever done before, and just end up being kind of weird. And this goes double on Dwilight, where you have to stay within SMA.)
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If you want there to be a vibrant, new realm in Morek's lands, you need to come up with a solid idea for a new realm, put yourself in Morek's lands (which is to say, in Morek) and start making friends.
I've heard Barca and Asylon are desperately looking for a place to call home. 8)
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I've heard Barca and Asylon are desperately looking for a place to call home. 8)
That sounds like a solid idea if ever I heard one :)
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Morek always seem to play the most safe/bland path, which never really gets anyone invested in the realm. I've not seen any other realm in the game with such a disparity between 'characters' and 'active characters'. Morek keeps locking itself away with land/militia, leaving them nothing to do.
The only characters I know to have joined were going to bank some gold, train an infiltrator, or were desperate for a lordship for some RP reason. Then they typically leave. There are 40 characters north of the Divides...150+ southwards. Morek has become fly-over country, where everyone assumes the locals are overly friendly with sheep.
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This was why I was so against the monsters occupying the western islands. Our realms were more compact and very heavily populated compared to Morek, which was only ever going to be unpopulated because they did nothing whatsoever. That whole northeastern area was just empty space when it came to interaction with the rest of the island. Meanwhile Asylon, Niselur, and Barca were all finally forming a power block that is providing meaningful resistance to the traditional Sanguis Astroism bloc of theocracies. But the whole monster ordeal came in, trying to fix a problem that wasn't there for that side of the island. So here we are, half a year later. Many people from the west have quit, despite everything Morek still fell apart from lack of nobles, showing that the anticipated increase in noble density did nothing for that part of the island.
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Actually the southern part of the island is more condensed than ever. People are keep fighting and it is pretty active. Pretty interesting to see Luria vs pretty much everyone.
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Our realms were more compact and very heavily populated compared to Morek, which was only ever going to be unpopulated because they did nothing whatsoever.
So why not take your people there, kick out the fuddy-duddies, and make it a thriving, vibrant area?
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So why not take your people there, kick out the fuddy-duddies, and make it a thriving, vibrant area?
It wasn't for lack of effort. Asylon tried, Barca tried. Even with many of the eastern realms being nothing more than places for people to farm gold and fame for their families, they are still difficult for more active realms to contend against, seeing that most of them had their regions wiped.
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So why not take your people there, kick out the fuddy-duddies, and make it a thriving, vibrant area?
well, cuz it sounds like they're having a fun time in the south with the war. why travel half a continent so you can have a new new realm half a continent away from anything?
needs new blood to go populate the area and break it up into smaller realms, IMO. Or a good influx of monsters
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well, cuz it sounds like they're having a fun time in the south with the war. why travel half a continent so you can have a new new realm half a continent away from anything?
needs new blood to go populate the area and break it up into smaller realms, IMO. Or a good influx of monsters
This too. The Southern War has been great. It was just what the island needed to get things moving again.
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well, cuz it sounds like they're having a fun time in the south with the war. why travel half a continent so you can have a new new realm half a continent away from anything?
Well, hey, if people are having fun where Asylon is now, I don't see a reason to complain.
It just sounded like Gundam Kuriga was not, in fact, having fun. (And I'm still not clear on whether he's actually playing on Dwilight anymore...)
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just looking at it in more detail. absolutely shocking, the number of open regions - rich rurals, townslands, strongholds...
and yet it sounds so unappealing to make the effort to go claim one of them and try to turn it into something, for me right now, anyway. I dunno, I have one char who might be an immigration candidate
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Well, hey, if people are having fun where Asylon is now, I don't see a reason to complain.
It just sounded like Gundam Kuriga was not, in fact, having fun. (And I'm still not clear on whether he's actually playing on Dwilight anymore...)
I'm not playing a character. Also, please take a look at the statistics in the realm density thread. For the continent as a whole, we're right back where we started in regards to realm density, Luria being an outlier rather than the norm.
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I'm not playing a character.
If you're no longer playing BattleMaster, then I'm going to have to ask you to stop posting consistently negative, bordeline-trollish comments on purely BattleMaster-related threads. If you continue to do so, they will be moderated.
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If you're no longer playing BattleMaster, then I'm going to have to ask you to stop posting consistently negative, bordeline-trollish comments on purely BattleMaster-related threads. If you continue to do so, they will be moderated.
I'm not trolling at all. I am merely providing you with feedback. We have statistics to back us up, the number of nobles on Dwilight is maybe 2/3 what it was. Considering that you're only allowed one noble on the island, that's a significant number.
I mean, look at this:
Date Nobles Regions Density
5 May 2013 383 238 1.61
1 March 2014 281 133 2.11
16 August 2014 205 133 1.54
That's a lot of players gone. And the density is worse than it was before.
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I'm not trolling at all. I am merely providing you with feedback.
Whether it is your intent to troll or not, you are absolutely consistent in posting completely negative comments. Hiding behind "merely providing feedback" is a cop-out.
I say again: If you can't find something positive to say—sincerely positive, not just empty platitudes or stupid "but everything's really fine!" remarks—then you need to stop posting stuff about the game you stopped playing. This forum is for people who play BattleMaster, and for people who care enough about the game to make a constructive contribution to the community whether or not they play it. Not for people who left the game and just want to keep rubbing everyone's face in what a !@#$hole it is (in their opinion).
If you think I'm incapable of understanding the implications of statistics about player count, and that I need you to spell out the blindingly obvious for me at every turn, then that reeks of arrogance.
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This was why I was so against the monsters occupying the western islands. Our realms were more compact and very heavily populated compared to Morek, which was only ever going to be unpopulated because they did nothing whatsoever. That whole northeastern area was just empty space when it came to interaction with the rest of the island. Meanwhile Asylon, Niselur, and Barca were all finally forming a power block that is providing meaningful resistance to the traditional Sanguis Astroism bloc of theocracies. But the whole monster ordeal came in, trying to fix a problem that wasn't there for that side of the island. So here we are, half a year later. Many people from the west have quit, despite everything Morek still fell apart from lack of nobles, showing that the anticipated increase in noble density did nothing for that part of the island.
100% agree, that being said I have returned to the priesthood and enjoy the challenge of keeping our religion alive. I really wish they destroyed the eastern continent though, all the dynamic growing realms and new powers were in the west... I shed a tear every time I think of what could have been...oh well
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If you're no longer playing BattleMaster, then I'm going to have to ask you to stop posting consistently negative, bordeline-trollish comments on purely BattleMaster-related threads. If you continue to do so, they will be moderated.
He has valid points, despite his tone. Dwilight lost almost 4 realms worth of characters. I think it'll be something that pays off in the long run, despite the initial loss, but that doesn't help the folks leaving right now.
Morek dying/shrinking is one of the effects of the freeze that will help make things better. Specifically killing realms isn't the devs responsibility....it is the players. Morek bleeding out nobles is just the slow way we could have done it. Mostly the player-created diplomacy/ties kept quicker ways from occurring.
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This too. The Southern War has been great. It was just what the island needed to get things moving again.
As someone in Barca, the southern war has been boring as !@#$. Aside from a bit of activity once in a blue moon for the last few months or so absolutely !@#$ all has happened. It barely even feels like a war and characters and players have been dropping like flies lately due to largely unrelated incidents.
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As someone in Barca, the southern war has been boring as !@#$. Aside from a bit of activity once in a blue moon for the last few months or so absolutely !@#$ all has happened. It barely even feels like a war and characters and players have been dropping like flies lately due to largely unrelated incidents.
I understand that people put a lot into their characters and their realm. I was one of the founders of Asylon, and colonized the first city for the colony by myself. I put years and years of my life into that realm. It was really the only character I've kept active for a long time. But when it comes down to it, you should do what you think is fun. If Barca is boring then go somewhere else. D'Hara and Fissoa, while they can't win battles, at least have troops moving around doing things. I'm sure their nobles are fairly active in the messages as well. I joined Luria pretty early after Asylon fell in Unterstrom and couldn't be happier. For me, my time in Luria so far I'd rank just up there with when Asylon was wiping out Astrum in terms of my personal all time Battlemaster experiences, going all the way back to when I joined in 2007. This game should be about fun, and if a realm can't provide that, then perhaps it is time to think about moving on, because there seems to be a lot of other realms on Dwilight providing great experiences right now.
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Not to beat my own drum or anything. I have a char in Luria and the southern war has very much felt like a war. A very big war. Its heaps of fun and the realm has never lost dynamic, only gained it. Its seriously one of the best times I've had in the game.
Also I can understand that it must not be fun in realms like D'hara, Barca or even Asylon. They cannot do much in term of warfare other than raid and run. In some ways this is also partly true for Fissoa and even Morek.
Back to OP: Is morek dying? I think it isn't but it has some tough decision in the near future to take if they want to reinvigorate their realm.
I am very much looking forwards to the future and as I've said on IRC and OOC chat IC, I want to share the fun and spread it around. its a game after all.. Send those letters and Rp's to foreigners, lay a link. Don't isolate yourself in one realms. It awesome and doesn't take much effort.
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I understand that people put a lot into their characters and their realm. I was one of the founders of Asylon, and colonized the first city for the colony by myself. I put years and years of my life into that realm. It was really the only character I've kept active for a long time. But when it comes down to it, you should do what you think is fun. If Barca is boring then go somewhere else. D'Hara and Fissoa, while they can't win battles, at least have troops moving around doing things. I'm sure their nobles are fairly active in the messages as well. I joined Luria pretty early after Asylon fell in Unterstrom and couldn't be happier. For me, my time in Luria so far I'd rank just up there with when Asylon was wiping out Astrum in terms of my personal all time Battlemaster experiences, going all the way back to when I joined in 2007. This game should be about fun, and if a realm can't provide that, then perhaps it is time to think about moving on, because there seems to be a lot of other realms on Dwilight providing great experiences right now.
Not to turn this into a "my realm is better than yours" debate, but D'Hara has won plenty of battles, thank you. While it used to be that every battle between D'Hara and Luria would result in a loss for us, despite having more men, the opposite seems true these days. Maybe our forces withdraw when a larger Lurian army arrives, but that's just normal... In the last 27 battles between D'Hara and Luria, D'Hara won 24 of them. D'Hara has also successfully taken over regions, and looted many others. To suggest that it can't achieve anything is completely unfounded.
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Not to turn this into a "my realm is better than yours" debate, but D'Hara has won plenty of battles, thank you. While it used to be that every battle between D'Hara and Luria would result in a loss for us, despite having more men, the opposite seems true these days. Maybe our forces withdraw when a larger Lurian army arrives, but that's just normal... In the last 27 battles between D'Hara and Luria, D'Hara won 24 of them. D'Hara has also successfully taken over regions, and looted many others. To suggest that it can't achieve anything is completely unfounded.
You must be counting battles against peasants and lonely nobles, not actual armies, right?
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Not to turn this into a "my realm is better than yours" debate, but D'Hara has won plenty of battles, thank you. While it used to be that every battle between D'Hara and Luria would result in a loss for us, despite having more men, the opposite seems true these days. Maybe our forces withdraw when a larger Lurian army arrives, but that's just normal... In the last 27 battles between D'Hara and Luria, D'Hara won 24 of them. D'Hara has also successfully taken over regions, and looted many others. To suggest that it can't achieve anything is completely unfounded.
Hahaha. I wasn't counting battles against peasants and bovines.
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I was counting all battles, without distinction. If you want to pick your battles, then be my guest. If you pride yourself with your ability to defeat in battle a realm whose military is about a third of your own, congratulations.
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That is not entirely true to proportion. The realm of D'hara is but one part of the many realms facing Luria Nova. You cannot claim to the weaker on all fronts, most of the time. It was a fair fight for a long while I understand, even favoring your side at one point.
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That is not entirely true to proportion. The realm of D'hara is but one part of the many realms facing Luria Nova. You cannot claim to the weaker on all fronts, most of the time. It was a fair fight for a long while I understand, even favoring your side at one point.
I do not wish to debate this point, really, but I will only add that Luria can spread its forces as it wishes. It can chose to ignore an army in order to mass its forces to crush another. Being on its homeland, this usually allows it to then get to the other relatively quickly. Luria may have many fronts, but it choses how to allocate its forces between them. D'Hara, on the other hand, can't really chose a front. Nor can Fissoa. Nor can Morek. They must leave from their own distant capitals. The situation was similar when half of BT was against Enweil, for a very long time, despite facing much greater total CS, we fended them all off and even looted the enemy a bit.