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BattleMaster => Locals => Dwilight => Topic started by: Fleugs on August 17, 2014, 10:56:15 PM
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With Luria Nova now being at war with D'Hara, Fissoa, Barca, Morek whilst Asylon and Astrum are suspected to join their side, I think it's about time a topic was opened.
I would like to thank all these realms, especially the League, for warring Luria Nova. It's been a long time since I was part of such an interesting war. It's beneficial that our enemies tend to bring their armies close to us, so we don't have to bother with all those travelling distances.
I suppose only one question remains: what will Swordfell do?
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haha Luria is funny. I still can't get into Luria like I did with Astrum but it is still fun to be in the realm :)
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Sit in the middle, wait for us to kill each other and giggle-stomp the rest? I dunno.
This whole thing is ridiculous on principle, the sheer levels of inane IC reasoning for some of the realms involved are asinine. Morek sits with 22 nobles and 35 regions, yet Luria is touted as "the largest and most dangerous realm to Dwilight" so Luria has to cough up land to support Barca - why can't Morek? Not like they're using 1/3 of their regions anyway.
Fissoa's nobles are getting bored
D'Hara is relagated to Bodyguard duty
Barca is dead in the water
Asylon and Astrum are in a religious pissing contest as usual
And despite the most vocal factor of Luria's last war declaration on Morek currently being the Pariah of basically -every- realm in Dwilight (Jonsu) not being here, Eviera refuses to entertain renegotiation of any deal, clings to events older than most of the playerbase as casus belli for their new wardec, and acts like they're any more innocent than any realm involved in this Island-wide war.
So, not to echo the old complaints of Chenier when the consolidation event started - But players have taken to only doing what is best for them, not the story of the game. However since we are playing a game called BATTLEmaster, the island-wide war is entertaining in its own right. I'm enjoying it because of the lulz. The infuriating amount of BS from the playerbase not withstanding of course...
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Moved to the appropriate board :)
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I agree with Cybergenesis that this war is rather bizarre, and normally I would be all against "gangbangs"... but this war is more than that. So far I dare to say Luria is actually winning, considering how bruised and battered we were when the invasions ended. Besides Luria Nova has a great character advantage.
It's true that, at least what I can read from my character in Luria Nova, our enemies make a mess of their justification of going to war. Nevertheless, I always say you don't need a good justification if you simply have the army to back it up. The only thing that puzzles me is why no one has attacked Morek yet (cough: Swordfell). With their ridiculously low character count and their ridiculously high number of regions, they sound like easy prey for either Astrum or Swordfell (or both!). But that would probably go against the entire spirit of those Star-worshippers. Neglecting that they are defending a realm that harbours Jonsu and some Blood Cultists, which they consider super-duper evil, of course.
Anyway, I predict a solid victory for Luria Nova in the long run, mostly because Fissoa and Morek will grow tired of going a long distance only to be forced to refit. With Askileon, Shinnen and Poryatown Luria Nova has a very solid core that is easy to defend and produces enough gold to maintain a sizeable army. It doesn't help that Barca clogged up their townsland-capital with tons of militia, effectively turning that realm into a complete dependency of D'Hara.
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The war has been a lot of fun, coming from someone now in Luria. It is quite bizarre that the largest realm on the island by a large margin is somehow the underdogs. I'm not quite sure what the end game is for most of the realms jumping on this bandwagon considering that Luria looks like they will come out of this war as the winners and most of them have little reason to be in the war in the first place.
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There's already a thread about this.
And there's very little bizarre about this war, Luria has had it coming for ages. It's been bullying everyone else since forever. And the events Morek talks about are hardly from a long lost age, Luria's backstab of them really isn't all that long ago.
The only people who are puzzled are Lurians who have been blinded for years by relying on their leaders (and misreably continuing to do so) in order to try to get a grasp of what's going on. If you rely on stuff that passes through leadership filter, then obviously it's hard to see why people don't like you.
By the way, the Blood Cult only ever existed on Beluaterra.
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Everyone else? Pretty much only D'Hara since i've been playing. To be fair, before the event started a great deal of effort was made to piss away claims to the isles and declare a peace with D'Hara and Luria - then the event started and that peace turned into demands from the newly formed league and Barca, an ally of Luria's prior to the last war with D'Hara (and still considered to be an ally by many outside of that war) suddenly showed up in Luria's regions and declared war. During peace negotiations - yet Luria is the only one pointed at being guilty of using Peace Talks as a tactic to hide attacks? Funny
Morek's 'incident' of backstab was one event done in an effort to assist an ally, namely Asylon, during a war. One attack and wardec that lasted roughly a week and was brushed away faster than it started. Hardly the horrific accounts that they claim them to be. I was there, it took us longer to get there an leave than the fight and declaration lasted.
Funny how you refer to the 'leadership filter' when D'hara and the rest of the League are grossly guilty of employing that filter since the beginning of this war. Not to beat the dead horse of shared letters from within, but when confronted with the blatant lies - mysterious silence was the answer.
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Everyone else? Pretty much only D'Hara since i've been playing. To be fair, before the event started a great deal of effort was made to piss away claims to the isles and declare a peace with D'Hara and Luria - then the event started and that peace turned into demands from the newly formed league and Barca, an ally of Luria's prior to the last war with D'Hara (and still considered to be an ally by many outside of that war) suddenly showed up in Luria's regions and declared war. During peace negotiations - yet Luria is the only one pointed at being guilty of using Peace Talks as a tactic to hide attacks? Funny
Morek's 'incident' of backstab was one event done in an effort to assist an ally, namely Asylon, during a war. One attack and wardec that lasted roughly a week and was brushed away faster than it started. Hardly the horrific accounts that they claim them to be. I was there, it took us longer to get there an leave than the fight and declaration lasted.
Funny how you refer to the 'leadership filter' when D'hara and the rest of the League are grossly guilty of employing that filter since the beginning of this war. Not to beat the dead horse of shared letters from within, but when confronted with the blatant lies - mysterious silence was the answer.
Why do something as foolish as require consistent logic as a basis for war? Its not like such things are common in real life at all. You've had an event that has caused massive loss of land and life for many realms. As in real life the leaders need to unite a people that are reeling from loss, and needing land. Decisions made in such times are not truly based on anything beyond what your own people are ready to believe and what your own people need to avoid complete collapse of morale. This is a time where you did up old grievances, make up new ones or just whip the nobility into a crazed mob with half truths and fear.
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I respect the "nuke the world" mentality from a player's perspective, however IC it is the sheer level of hypocrisy that is mind boggling and that's where this war is most infuriating - because it certainly isn't the war itself.
As a player, I don't really care how this war turns out, because lulz and fun are being had. Besides, unlike many of the realms who have sat with stagnant regions for the EXACT REASON THIS EVENT HAPPENED, Luria has never had a shortage of nobles for their regions so this has given people more reason to interact and not be a lazy and useless sod in order to GET a lordship - not simply get one because empty regions exist in the realm. RP has been plentiful and fun.
While some people might be content to bring everyone under the thumb of SA - nuts to that on principle of boredom. While there may be a great deal of whining about Luria's attitude in the past, someone has to play the "bad guy" on this Island. No one else was starting wars in the East, especially since Luria HELPED kill off Aurvandil and since Corsanctum bowed to Morek. Without war, this game is boring.
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I respect the "nuke the world" mentality from a player's perspective, however IC it is the sheer level of hypocrisy that is mind boggling and that's where this war is most infuriating - because it certainly isn't the war itself.
As a player, I don't really care how this war turns out, because lulz and fun are being had. Besides, unlike many of the realms who have sat with stagnant regions for the EXACT REASON THIS EVENT HAPPENED, Luria has never had a shortage of nobles for their regions so this has given people more reason to interact and not be a lazy and useless sod in order to GET a lordship - not simply get one because empty regions exist in the realm. RP has been plentiful and fun.
While some people might be content to bring everyone under the thumb of SA - nuts to that on principle of boredom. While there may be a great deal of whining about Luria's attitude in the past, someone has to play the "bad guy" on this Island. No one else was starting wars in the East, especially since Luria HELPED kill off Aurvandil and since Corsanctum bowed to Morek. Without war, this game is boring.
What is wrong with IC hypocrisy? Humans in general are hypocritical, why would properly role played characters not reflect this?
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Everyone else? Pretty much only D'Hara since i've been playing. To be fair, before the event started a great deal of effort was made to piss away claims to the isles and declare a peace with D'Hara and Luria - then the event started and that peace turned into demands from the newly formed league and Barca, an ally of Luria's prior to the last war with D'Hara (and still considered to be an ally by many outside of that war) suddenly showed up in Luria's regions and declared war. During peace negotiations - yet Luria is the only one pointed at being guilty of using Peace Talks as a tactic to hide attacks? Funny
Morek's 'incident' of backstab was one event done in an effort to assist an ally, namely Asylon, during a war. One attack and wardec that lasted roughly a week and was brushed away faster than it started. Hardly the horrific accounts that they claim them to be. I was there, it took us longer to get there an leave than the fight and declaration lasted.
Funny how you refer to the 'leadership filter' when D'hara and the rest of the League are grossly guilty of employing that filter since the beginning of this war. Not to beat the dead horse of shared letters from within, but when confronted with the blatant lies - mysterious silence was the answer.
You are in Luria. You are not Luria's ruler. Your failure to grasp events surrounding Luria's fate are not because of how inexplicable they are, but because of the rose glasses you are viewing the events from. Everything you know is the result of information passing by a filter that suits Lurian leadership. "Barca was always great friends of ours, then suddenly, for no reason whatsoever, they turned on us!" Really? And you know this to be true because...? It was written "alliance" on the diplomacy page? Your ruler said so?
While some people might be content to bring everyone under the thumb of SA - nuts to that on principle of boredom. While there may be a great deal of whining about Luria's attitude in the past, someone has to play the "bad guy" on this Island. No one else was starting wars in the East, especially since Luria HELPED kill off Aurvandil and since Corsanctum bowed to Morek. Without war, this game is boring.
Don't you get me started on Aurvandil. When Luria came in to help against Aurvandil, you instead decided you'd rather launch a surprise war on D'Hara and KO'ed us. For almost all of the war, D'Hara couldn't fight because it was fending you off and struggling for survival, and you didn't participate because you were too busy trying to make a land grab. The little you did afterwards was inconsequential and in no way compensated for your siding with Aurvandil to begin with.
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I never claimed great friends - I simply claimed allies. In all honesty an alliance across the sea is quite meaningless due to mechanics anyway - one of the reasons we wanted part of the Isles. Morale is a bitch at that distance. Something your new toy ruler in Asylon, Willhelm, seems to fail to understand yet continues to blather on about non-existent requests for support when they were fighting in the north. A) there were never requests made from Grimrog, at least not since Seoras stepped down as ruler B) morale alone by the time Lurian forces reached them would have caused massive desertion.
Despite a lack of a 'rosy relationship' between the realms, there was little (ie none) effort made to simply ask for land. Only demands, and not even from Barca - only on their behalf. If we really want to talk about "ruler filtered" information, perhaps your puppet Mathias could shed some light in that department. From the quoted inter-league letters he was quite adept at omitting or paraphrasing correspondence between Luria and the league. I lol'd more than once at his paraphrased, or selective quotes to take things out of context, that he sent to D'Hara as a whole. Funnily enough, many of the letter he did that to, were not sent only to him.
The IC hypocrisy is fine IC - It does, however, go a long way to explains a fair bit of irritation, rage, and head-desking from those involved IC. There are a few people that are taking it a bit personally though, and I'm not sure if that's making this more entertaining or not.
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I never claimed great friends - I simply claimed allies. In all honesty an alliance across the sea is quite meaningless due to mechanics anyway - one of the reasons we wanted part of the Isles. Morale is a bitch at that distance. Something your new toy ruler in Asylon, Willhelm, seems to fail to understand yet continues to blather on about non-existent requests for support when they were fighting in the north. A) there were never requests made from Grimrog, at least not since Seoras stepped down as ruler B) morale alone by the time Lurian forces reached them would have caused massive desertion.
Despite a lack of a 'rosy relationship' between the realms, there was little (ie none) effort made to simply ask for land. Only demands, and not even from Barca - only on their behalf. If we really want to talk about "ruler filtered" information, perhaps your puppet Mathias could shed some light in that department. From the quoted inter-league letters he was quite adept at omitting or paraphrasing correspondence between Luria and the league. I lol'd more than once at his paraphrased, or selective quotes to take things out of context, that he sent to D'Hara as a whole. Funnily enough, many of the letter he did that to, were not sent only to him.
The IC hypocrisy is fine IC - It does, however, go a long way to explains a fair bit of irritation, rage, and head-desking from those involved IC. There are a few people that are taking it a bit personally though, and I'm not sure if that's making this more entertaining or not.
An alliance that was signed purely for Aurvandil. You can't rely on diplomatic relations to know where things are going.
Did Mathias paraphrase? Sure, but so what? Even you fail to bring a point about that, as it changes nothing to what was being said. Besides, inter-realm communications among pretty much all non-Luria realms are vast and greatly surpass ruler-to-ruler communications. There are a large number of nobles acting as relays, and a number of guilds for discussions. Was there more being said than what Mathias shared? Sure. But unlike those in Luria, we pretty much all knew what he wasn't "sharing", and simply generally agreed with his emphasis.
D'Hara-Barca relations's have roots that are strong and go way back to Barca's founding. Barca-Luria relations were superficial, recent, and rested mainly on a common objective to destroy Aurvandil, backed up superficially with honeyed words on the ruler-level. The greatest thing Luria did for Barca was wait for their hour of greatest need to break their promise of help to turn on a common ally.
As for Asylon, distance is a poor excuse for inaction. D'Hara always found a way to help those it cared for, when it wasn't fighting for its own survival, regardless of the context and distances. There are more ways to help than merely sending soldiers.
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The IC hypocrisy is fine IC - It does, however, go a long way to explains a fair bit of irritation, rage, and head-desking from those involved IC. There are a few people that are taking it a bit personally though, and I'm not sure if that's making this more entertaining or not.
One thing i have learned in this game is that in a war, every side always declares the other side as being at fault, stubborn, hypocritical, guilty, land-grabbing, empire building, etc. Invariably, it's always the other guys fault. Makes sense, because if people didn't feel that way, they wouldn't go to war.
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I never claimed great friends - I simply claimed allies. In all honesty an alliance across the sea is quite meaningless due to mechanics anyway - one of the reasons we wanted part of the Isles. Morale is a bitch at that distance. Something your new toy ruler in Asylon, Willhelm, seems to fail to understand yet continues to blather on about non-existent requests for support when they were fighting in the north. A) there were never requests made from Grimrog, at least not since Seoras stepped down as ruler
Willhelm wouldn't bring up Luria's consistent inaction if Lurians didn't always pat themselves on the back talking about their endless generosity shown towards Asylon, and Asylon's supposed violation of the alliance. I know for a fact Asylon asked Luria to let them take Poryatown when it was rogue and Luria immediately sent it's own takeover force before Asylon could get to it. Luria also closed its food markets to Asylon, which violated the alliance.
B) morale alone by the time Lurian forces reached them would have caused massive desertion.
You must be joking. Asylon recruited as many troops as they could in Via, and then marched them clear across the continent, fighting monster hordes along the way, then fought a war against 3 enemies, and then marched those same troops south and took over Girich, Mattan Dews, Giask & Grodno. Since then, the distance hasn't stopped Astrum and Swordfell from attacking Asylon twice, nor has it stopped Morek from attacking Luria.
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Distance wasn't the excuse, the King saying "hey, don't worry about it - if we fail here we'll just move south by you guys" was the reason. Y'know since we were sorta fighting a war against three realms already, that is a better excuse than supporting a suicidal bid for land against Astrum and Morek.
Funny that you claim Luria is oblivious to the letters received from the League when they're pretty much always quoted and passed on directly, realm wide. That's why when 'peace negotiations' that required Luria to give D'Hara and Fissoa land on top of that which Barca demanded were passed on - lulz were had by all.
One thing i have learned in this game is that in a war, every side always declares the other side as being at fault, stubborn, hypocritical, guilty, land-grabbing, empire building, etc. Invariably, it's always the other guys fault. Makes sense, because if people didn't feel that way, they wouldn't go to war.
True, and honestly I'm having more fun over the internal pissing contests of this war sometimes than the war itself. Erasmus's undercut to takeover for Julius? Julius ratting out Erasmus reinstating the exiled Rapists of Grodno? Chenier's arrest and SA's complete lack of care? REALLY wasn't expecting that one, was expecting more whining about Priest arrest there. All more lulzy events than the war itself. The story being written in Dwilight is just awesome the last few months
Willhelm wouldn't bring up Luria's consistent inaction if Lurians didn't always pat themselves on the back talking about their endless generosity shown towards Asylon, and Asylon's supposed violation of the alliance. I know for a fact Asylon asked Luria to let them take Poryatown when it was rogue and Luria immediately sent it's own takeover force before Asylon could get to it. Luria also closed its food markets to Asylon, which violated the alliance.
You asked when ours were already on the way. Again, despite your insistence to change the terms Grimrog agreed to for your arrival to the east - your plans were not our plans. The fact you can't keep up and felt you could change your mind -after- your arrival and after you took Matten Dews and Girich stating "we're going to take them (because they're rogue right now) and give them to you as a sign of good will" then proceeded to keep them. You'll excuse us if we took offence.
You must be joking. Asylon recruited as many troops as they could in Via, and then marched them clear across the continent, fighting monster hordes along the way, then fought a war against 3 enemies, and then marched those same troops south and took over Girich, Mattan Dews, Giask & Grodno. Since then, the distance hasn't stopped Astrum and Swordfell from attacking Asylon twice, nor has it stopped Morek from attacking Luria.
Apologies, but you're purely an idiot. Asylon was granted special mechanics status by devs because of the event. If you forgot that, that's your problem. While it's entirely valid IC argument to make, OOC it's simply asinine to forget that every western realm was granted that status. Otherwise Barca's army would have !@#$ itself before they made it to Luria in the first place
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You must be joking. Asylon recruited as many troops as they could in Via, and then marched them clear across the continent, fighting monster hordes along the way, then fought a war against 3 enemies, and then marched those same troops south and took over Girich, Mattan Dews, Giask & Grodno. Since then, the distance hasn't stopped Astrum and Swordfell from attacking Asylon twice, nor has it stopped Morek from attacking Luria.
Are you serious?
You don't know about the displaced realms bonuses that were explicitly meant to prevent their troops from deserting them until they managed to take new lands?
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Everyone else? Pretty much only D'Hara since i've been playing. To be fair, before the event started a great deal of effort was made to piss away claims to the isles and declare a peace with D'Hara and Luria - then the event started and that peace turned into demands from the newly formed league and Barca, an ally of Luria's prior to the last war with D'Hara (and still considered to be an ally by many outside of that war) suddenly showed up in Luria's regions and declared war. During peace negotiations - yet Luria is the only one pointed at being guilty of using Peace Talks as a tactic to hide attacks? Funny
Morek's 'incident' of backstab was one event done in an effort to assist an ally, namely Asylon, during a war. One attack and wardec that lasted roughly a week and was brushed away faster than it started. Hardly the horrific accounts that they claim them to be. I was there, it took us longer to get there an leave than the fight and declaration lasted.
Funny how you refer to the 'leadership filter' when D'hara and the rest of the League are grossly guilty of employing that filter since the beginning of this war. Not to beat the dead horse of shared letters from within, but when confronted with the blatant lies - mysterious silence was the answer.
As someone whose main Dwilight character left D'Hara before the currant post-monster war I have to say the current conflict is not surprising in the slightest; indeed what I find surprising is that apparently the Lurians did not expect it.
D'Hara has long hated Luria due to the constant Lurian claim on the islands, and anyone with any awareness of the Veinsoormoot should not be surprised that Barca chose to support their longest standing Federated allies over Luria. Perhaps there were "peace efforts" being made by Luria shortly before the current conflict (my character had left D'Hara by then), but at least judging by the level of anti-Lurian sentiment while I was there, the Lurians could only have been deluding themselves if they truly believed that no one was going to remember their previous invasion attempts.
The Barcan migration simply allowed D'Hara to extract the revenge they had long desired by utilising their oldest allies against their oldest enemies- perhaps from the Lurian perspective that might seem vindictive, but I can't understand how it can be labelled surprising or hypocritical considering the history.
I can't speak for Fissoa but they have had a history of attempting to resist Lurian domination so its not surprising they jumped on the bandwagon. And as for Morek: you might of have perceived the attack on Morek as merely "helping your allies" but Morek at the time saw it as nothing short of betrayal (at least that was certainly the impression that I got in SA at the time), and as with D'Hara you can't expect characters to just forget old grudges because you don't think its a big deal.
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It's not that it wasn't expected, we were actually fighting another Luria-D'Hara war when the event drove Barca East and started the current Cluster-war.
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As someone whose main Dwilight character left D'Hara before the currant post-monster war I have to say the current conflict is not surprising in the slightest; indeed what I find surprising is that apparently the Lurians did not expect it.
D'Hara has long hated Luria due to the constant Lurian claim on the islands, and anyone with any awareness of the Veinsoormoot should not be surprised that Barca chose to support their longest standing Federated allies over Luria. Perhaps there were "peace efforts" being made by Luria shortly before the current conflict (my character had left D'Hara by then), but at least judging by the level of anti-Lurian sentiment while I was there, the Lurians could only have been deluding themselves if they truly believed that no one was going to remember their previous invasion attempts.
The Barcan migration simply allowed D'Hara to extract the revenge they had long desired by utilising their oldest allies against their oldest enemies- perhaps from the Lurian perspective that might seem vindictive, but I can't understand how it can be labelled surprising or hypocritical considering the history.
I can't speak for Fissoa but they have had a history of attempting to resist Lurian domination so its not surprising they jumped on the bandwagon. And as for Morek: you might of have perceived the attack on Morek as merely "helping your allies" but Morek at the time saw it as nothing short of betrayal (at least that was certainly the impression that I got in SA at the time), and as with D'Hara you can't expect characters to just forget old grudges because you don't think its a big deal.
It is no surprise that Fissoa may want some payback against Luria, what with the failed attempts a couple of times to force Fissoa to join the Lurian Empire via war.
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It is no surprise that Fissoa may want some payback against Luria, what with the failed attempts a couple of times to force Fissoa to join the Lurian Empire via war.
Or, y'know, more or less constantly since the first time Luria had enough army to spare from fighting rogues (and enough nobles to spare from infighting) to even try to conquer anyone ;D
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The fact you can't keep up and felt you could change your mind -after- your arrival and after you took Matten Dews and Girich stating "we're going to take them (because they're rogue right now) and give them to you as a sign of good will" then proceeded to keep them. You'll excuse us if we took offence.
Willhelm said no such thing, there was never any discussion, never mind a promise about handing them over. Asylon's solitary goal was to establish an independent homeland and Willhelm was always up front about that.
Apologies, but you're purely an idiot. Asylon was granted special mechanics status by devs because of the event. If you forgot that, that's your problem. While it's entirely valid IC argument to make, OOC it's simply asinine to forget that every western realm was granted that status. Otherwise Barca's army would have !@#$ itself before they made it to Luria in the first place
No need to apologise. I've been called worse things by smarter people. Astrum, Morek & Swordfell are eastern realms, and even if Astrum received a special dispensation because it was partially in the west, they're not receiving it any more. Yet they managed to cover the same distance that you claim would have caused massive desertion with the Lurian troops.
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You're obviously not paying attention - as I have always said, these were arrangements and statements made by Grimrog, not you. To be entirely honest, Willhelm's goals were essentially moot from the moment you took office and reneg'd on every deal Grimrog made.
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You're obviously not paying attention - as I have always said, these were arrangements and statements made by Grimrog, not you. To be entirely honest, Willhelm's goals were essentially moot from the moment you took office and reneg'd on every deal Grimrog made.
I'm afraid Grimrog didn't prepare any handover, so I don't know what he and Sholan might have talked about. I do know that it was Axylia and Willhelm who decided on their own to take the rogue regions, and Grimrog supported the plan.
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Well that's nice to know, glad he threw the whole alliance under a bus when he ducked out. Oh well, it happens. Lil late now unless everyone looking for a 'new home' feels like cutting a chunk out of morek, but no - everyone wants to stay where they are in Luria's backyard
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Well that's nice to know, glad he threw the whole alliance under a bus when he ducked out. Oh well, it happens. Lil late now unless everyone looking for a 'new home' feels like cutting a chunk out of morek, but no - everyone wants to stay where they are in Luria's backyard
That would require breaking several alliances and Federations to be possible though. While as players we can look at Morek and say, move there, convincing realms already at war to change tact and support their fledging allies, whom they have invested troops and time into establishing in their current location, to take territory off a nominally allied realm instead is probably not going to happen.
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OH GODS NO! DONT BREAK ALLIANCES! Whatever would we do if THAT happened....
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That would require breaking several alliances and Federations to be possible though. While as players we can look at Morek and say, move there, convincing realms already at war to change tact and support their fledging allies, whom they have invested troops and time into establishing in their current location, to take territory off a nominally allied realm instead is probably not going to happen.
If only there were realms now fighting Luria that had a past history of fighting Morek at any opportunity...
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So while I can see the frustration with the way war decs have happened and the bizarreness of it, I'm with fluegs. This is great. Luria has an involved player base in a great defensive geographic position against distant enemies. I'm sure we'll be fine and its turning out to be a great story along the way. But just to point out a few things that might've been overlooked.
Chenier - you said Cybergenesis was not the leader of Luria. Well, he currently plays Emperor Sholan and was a duke (rp king) previous to that, so was quite in the loop throughout Seoras's reign (who has obviously continued to keep him in the loop) and Alice's before that as one of her favored nobles.
When the monster situation began, Seoras reached out to Grimrog to offer help. Grimrog wanted to assimilate into Luria. Seoras poked at why not keep Asylon alive, but Grimrog insisted on joining Luria to help their war, then colonize elsewhere, possibly as part of that war. Some time later it was noticed Asylon was conquering Corsanctum, so we reached out again to see hwo things were going, and rejoicing at Asylon surviving as a realm. Later, Astrum vs Asylon happened, reached out, and Grimrog said it would be too late for anything we could offer (soldiers, gold, food etc.).
Then Mattan Dews and Girich were taken, to which Seoras inquired what Grimrog desired and glad that they might survive. Seoras later learned from other asylonians that Grimrog intended these regions to join Luria and help in their war effort like he earlier wanted; but the ones doign the takeover apparently thought Luria was intentionally fencing them in by taking Poryatown/Poryatu (see below). Unfortunately, Grimrog was busy at work (got an ooc reply) and then disappeared. I recall some other nobility wrote people in the regions at the time, but we didn't hear any response until around Giask being taken. Seoras has shared the IC parts of this story several times with Asylonians, including King Wilhelm and Glaumring, so its not like it shouldn't be known.
Independently to this, another character in Luria was spurring an effort to restore Poryatu/Poryatown to get more gold and recruits for the war to the south.
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OH GODS NO! DONT BREAK ALLIANCES! Whatever would we do if THAT happened....
My point was give them cause to do so beyond "oh Morek is OOC dying". Look at the situation as a character for a minute and its clear why most parties aren't going to go and carve out new holdings in Morek.
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Take Poryatown? Over my dead body!
Earth Hall power!
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If only there were realms now fighting Luria that had a past history of fighting Morek at any opportunity...
Having reasons to fight someone is only half the equation. One must also have the means to do so.
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Meneldur put it quite elegantly: the only ones surprised about any of this seem to be Lurians.
Sure, Morek would be "logical" to split up... but why? They are friends with almost everyone. Not with Asylon, but hey, these guys actually tried to set up North, and were defeated. Many people dislike Asylon, and the northern realms in particular have no reason to cede them anything.
Plus, Morek is far. Why set oneself up in Morek, if it's only to be isolated from one's allies? D'Hara and Barca go back to the latter's founding, and Barca bled a lot with Fissoa against Aurvandil. Any other location than right next to both of them still would be the senseless choice. And both of these allies have all the reasons in the world to want to see Luria cut down in size, as both have been fending it off since very early Dwilight.
Sholan seems adept at fooling himself IC. It's of little surprise that the player does as much OOC.
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Meneldur put it quite elegantly: the only ones surprised about any of this seem to be Lurians.
We are not, just for the record. ;)
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We are not, just for the record. ;)
Nope, we're celebrating! No more do we have to march out and find enemies, they come to us ready to die!
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It is nice having everyone come to us. I would hate to be in Morek and march from their capital to Luria. That must be what, 2 weeks travel and even longer in winter?
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War! (21 hours, 19 minutes ago)
The Suzerain Emperor has declared war on Asylon.
Because you can't have enough war!
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It is nice having everyone come to us. I would hate to be in Morek and march from their capital to Luria. That must be what, 2 weeks travel and even longer in winter?
After the battle in outer giask my character had a travel time of seventy some odd hours just to go from one region to the next, with one healthy soldier and thirty wounded. Thankfully they all healed quickly and reduced that travel time to just a day or so, but still took a few days to get back to capital.
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After the battle in outer giask my character had a travel time of seventy some odd hours just to go from one region to the next, with one healthy soldier and thirty wounded. Thankfully they all healed quickly and reduced that travel time to just a day or so, but still took a few days to get back to capital.
Carts are good for this, but really I'm not sure even they would help with that ratio of wounded to not wounded
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Carts are good for this, but really I'm not sure even they would help with that ratio of wounded to not wounded
Which is why I tend not to bother with them. I've noticed that my characters tend to either take only a few casualties with roughly a 50% recovery rate, or get a complete unit wipe.
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Asylon has been harshly defeated in Giask with minimal losses to Luria's side. The Asylonian beau monde has taken up residence in the dungeons of Luria Nova. But in the meanwhile, Morek is conducting a takeover in Poryatu and Poryatown. A solid move, we did not quite expect them to be actually doing much... but it looks like Swordfell isn't all too happy about the way some Morekians got to Lurian lands.
Also, there is a chance that Jonsu Himoura dies rather soon. If she can't escape, we will burn the witch!
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I think too many players seriously underestimate the value of carts. You pay for them once (unless you lose so many men you can't keep them all) and they do wonders for travel with many wounded. When its winter and you have wounded men, carts can be a lifesaver.
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Asylon has been harshly defeated in Giask with minimal losses to Luria's side. The Asylonian beau monde has taken up residence in the dungeons of Luria Nova. But in the meanwhile, Morek is conducting a takeover in Poryatu and Poryatown. A solid move, we did not quite expect them to be actually doing much... but it looks like Swordfell isn't all too happy about the way some Morekians got to Lurian lands.
Also, there is a chance that Jonsu Himoura dies rather soon. If she can't escape, we will burn the witch!
Just take care the witch doesn't burn you.
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Just take care the witch doesn't burn you.
Yeah burny hugs are the worst
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It'd be ironic if the death of Jonsu was what brought all these warring states together in a moment of peace.
To, you know, celebrate.
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I hope nobody ordered a cake.
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I think too many players seriously underestimate the value of carts. You pay for them once (unless you lose so many men you can't keep them all) and they do wonders for travel with many wounded. When its winter and you have wounded men, carts can be a lifesaver.
That's my point though, I've either had it where I've sustained barely any casualties to make it worth it, or I experience a total unit wipe and can't make use of them. Will they shorten travel times without wounded at all? If so then they might be worthwhile. Currently the carts are coded as being pulled along by your unit right? Maybe if they are changed so as to not require the men to pull them (pulled by horse, etc), but increase the rate of consumption of food rations, they might be more worthwhile?
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This seems somewhat appropriate:
http://youtu.be/nrn9_RXwqa4
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The cake is a lie.
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Giask has been retaken! But Fissoa has had a good time raiding through some of our lands... oh well.
Stabbity, I also hear Jonsu has a gift waiting for her smack-dab in the middle of Askileon. Always welcome to come and pick it up. ;)
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Oh, she's planning on it. She just has to make sure she has a reasonable gift to give in return.
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A new challenger to Luria Nova approaches! :D
Astrum has finally decided to declare war.
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Surprise surprise... ::)
Im currently wounded because of some SA followers attacked me. :'(
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While the war is interesting (there's never a lack of things to do), it's amusing that LN + Asylonian remanent is winning (kind of). Astrum joining it really isn't a bother. I have no idea what LN's diplomatic stance was in the lead-up to Everyone vs Luria, but it does point out how hopeless every other nation is in character, communication and strategy, simply due to the fact that Luria is doing quite well still. Any other realm wouldn't exist any more.
Hell, if they had even one reliable ally, they'd wipe the entire eastern continent of enemies if they wanted. You have to respect a cohesive war machine like that, but one with plenty of actual characters and RPing as well.
Fickle in personality and immensely mutable in make-up, but an amazingly strong realm to its core. Got screwed over more than any other realm after the loss of the west, but there's a reason why even defeated enemies flock to its banner.
Moderator note: gratuitous vulgarity removed.
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While the war is interesting (there's never a lack of things to do), it's amusing that LN + Asylonian remanent is winning (kind of). Astrum joining it really isn't a bother. I have no idea what LN's diplomatic stance was in the lead-up to Everyone vs Luria, but it does point out how hopeless every other nation is in character, communication and strategy, simply due to the fact that Luria is doing quite well still. Any other realm wouldn't exist any more.
Hell, if they had even one reliable ally, they'd wipe the entire eastern continent of enemies if they wanted. You have to respect a cohesive war machine like that, but one with plenty of actual characters and RPing as well.
Fickle in personality and immensely mutable in make-up, but an amazingly strong realm to its core. Got screwed over more than any other realm after the loss of the west, but there's a reason why even defeated enemies flock to its banner.
Moderator note: gratuitous vulgarity removed.
Luria has a huge noble count advantage and its core regions are close to each other, it's very easy to defend. It has the sea to the East, Swordfell to the North, and the long travel times of the deserts West and South. It's pretty easy to look badass when having the home ground advantage.
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And that is why you should never invade Luria. ;)
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Looking at the current geopolitical situation, I'm tempted to say that LN is the equivalent of medieval France IRL with D'Hara playing the part of England, Barca playing the part of Savoy, Fissoa playing the part of Spain and Swordfell playing the part of a cross between Switzerland and Italy.
E.g. LN is the powerhouse in terms of cohesive territory, wealth and population but therefore likely to have to spend a lot of time fighting its neighbours to retain that position.
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And that is why you should never invade Luria. ;)
Hey, we are just pushing them back. They started this, not us. Nobody forced them to try to wipe out D'Hara when we were starving and Aurvandil had taken almost everything from us.
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Hey, we are just pushing them back. They started this, not us. Nobody forced them to try to wipe out D'Hara when we were starving and Aurvandil had taken almost everything from us.
But attacking a long time foe when they are weak is just common sense. Of course Luria found the same thing that the league now finds, long distance war is damn hard to make anything stick.
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Nobody disputes D'Hara's validity to attack Luria Nova, nor would anybody dispute it the other way around. What is curious, though, is that now pretty much everyone is trying to invade Luria Nova. The painful part is that they are not successful, except for the occasional taking of what now has become Luria's borderlands.
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Nobody disputes D'Hara's validity to attack Luria Nova, nor would anybody dispute it the other way around. What is curious, though, is that now pretty much everyone is trying to invade Luria Nova. The painful part is that they are not successful, except for the occasional taking of what now has become Luria's borderlands.
What's interesting about this is that both sides probably consider they are gaining ground, and so if the trend continues they will be the victors. D'Hara was left with barely anything when the war started, Barca lost all of their mainland and yet established themselves a beachhead, and Fissoa took a few regions they never had or had not had save for very brief periods. From this perspective, they are winning and gaining ground. Luria Nova, on the other hand, can probably look at how they destroyed Asylon, how they retook Giask from them, how they retook Shinnen from Barca (they had lost it, right?), and so on.
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When the war started D'hara held more territory than it ever had at any point in history.
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Luria Nova currently has twice as many nobles as the second largest realm. That means it can successfully wage war on two/three largest realms simultaneously. Coupled with Luria's aggressive stance that in turns means it's a classic "kill it before it grows" situation.
It's like a dragon sitting in the middle of a village. You either throw all you've got at it or it'll eat the knights one by one until it's too bloated to continue. And afterwards it will just slowly morek into oblivion like a dead dinosaur, because there won't be any power nearby able to even nibble at it.
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And afterwards it will just slowly morek into oblivion like a dead dinosaur, because there won't be any power nearby able to even nibble at it.
Um...hello? This is Luria we're talking about.
Once there's no external pressure to keep its nobles focused outward, they'll start fighting amongst themselves again, like they did for the first several RL years of the realm's existence (under multiple names).
If Luria wins this war, I predict it will be no more than 6 months before the first secession.
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Um...hello? This is Luria we're talking about.
Once there's no external pressure to keep its nobles focused outward, they'll start fighting amongst themselves again, like they did for the first several RL years of the realm's existence (under multiple names).
If Luria wins this war, I predict it will be no more than 6 months before the first secession.
Yes unless things have changed dramatically the only time Luria isn't fighting internally is when there is a big enough external threat to force them.
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Ahhh Luria, functionally dysfunctional since the beginning.
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Um...hello? This is Luria we're talking about.
Once there's no external pressure to keep its nobles focused outward, they'll start fighting amongst themselves again, like they did for the first several RL years of the realm's existence (under multiple names).
If Luria wins this war, I predict it will be no more than 6 months before the first secession.
With all the Asylonians and Niselurians in Luria... You can guarantee it.
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What's interesting about this is that both sides probably consider they are gaining ground, and so if the trend continues they will be the victors. D'Hara was left with barely anything when the war started, Barca lost all of their mainland and yet established themselves a beachhead, and Fissoa took a few regions they never had or had not had save for very brief periods. From this perspective, they are winning and gaining ground. Luria Nova, on the other hand, can probably look at how they destroyed Asylon, how they retook Giask from them, how they retook Shinnen from Barca (they had lost it, right?), and so on.
Luria never lost Shinnen. We did lose the Purlieus, but LN retook that about 1 in game year ago.
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As for the whole rebellion thingy, I'm not all too convinced about it to be honest, the realm changed a lot and the longer this war is ongoing the more permanent it will be. So how strange it might seem, the other realms on dwi are doing Sholan a favor. ;)
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A few incorrect statements here...
Luria Nova did not initiate the Tomb Island War to destroy D'hara. The declared intent of the war was to liberate the Tomb Islands as compensation for D'hara not voluntarily making right its wrong in...blah blah old treaties and other IC reasonings. It's okay to promote propaganda ICly, but can we be somewhat objective OOCly? For my part on that, Luria Nova might've kept going against D'hara after the Tomb Islands depending on a variety of factors (long cultural hatred after all), but it might just as well have stopped to consolidate its holdings too.
D'hara, at the time of the Southern League's invasion of Luria Nova, had lost only their Paisland/Paisly/rurals regions, which they'd only recently conquered from Saffalore/Phantaria. This is hardly being left with 'barely anything' as claimed.
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Ahhh Luria, functionally dysfunctional since the beginning.
saddest truth ever
With all the Asylonians and Niselurians in Luria... You can guarantee it.
Won't need to if we simply cough up land for them - which has always been the intent since the invasion of beasts started. One of the major pissing contests between Willhelm and I was because of Grimrog throwing him under a bus apparently and dropping the ball on that whole plan.
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Amaury's legacy lives on! :P
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Won't need to if we simply cough up land for them - which has always been the intent since the invasion of beasts started.
I hear Morek has plenty of land they aren't using.
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I hope it is just a coincidental and fleeting moment but the nations fighting Luria have really started to up their game this last week or two...
At least it seems like that from where I stand!
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I think southern Morek would look very good as New Asylon...
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NeoAsylon!
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Gross... I never really liked the name 'Asylon' I would prefer something more gluttural and dark compared to a airy-fairy knights in white satin name. A name like 'Kulgothlolthhukgraaaah' is more interesting than 'Asylon' if I ever managed to found a new kingdom the name will be 'Raaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!' ;P
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I've always thought "I Can't Believe Its Not Butter" has a nice ring to it.
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Tuchannon X anyone?
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"I can't believe it's not Asylon"
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I used to put "Akkar" as name for some fictional "places" in my writings. Mainly because of the sound in a battle cry.
It's nothing like 'Kulgothlolthhukgraaaah'... but by the hell, I can't even pronounce this thing! :(
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Asylon kind of reminds me of Aquilon. Which both sounds better and has some neat connotations.
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So the Rest defeated Luria Nova in Shinnen Purlieus. It feels like Astrum suddenly makes the difference (congratulations), and now finally there is some challenge in this war again (from a Lurian perspective). Now the only thing missing is Swordfell picking a side, and we'll have a good old-fashioned world war.
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Swordfell will choose the 'rests' side.
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Or they are just waiting to see which way the wind will eventually blow before committing.
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Can't blame them. If SF starts hostilities now and Luria and the League strike a truce any time soon, they're pretty much screwed, given the difference in nobles count.
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Can't blame them. If SF starts hostilities now and Luria and the League strike a truce any time soon, they're pretty much screwed, given the difference in nobles count.
If SF declares war on the League, they'll become a much easier target for Morek and Astrum than Luria is. Even D'Hara could strike at them easy.
The way I see it, if they do that, they will die, Barca will die by the distraction they create, Luria would grow a bit, and then we'd be back to the old war.
Balance's Retreat could make for a new Barca, though...
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Duel (16 hours, 57 minutes ago)
Menelaus Raghnall, High Inquisitor of Morek Empire, Duke of Muspelheim, Margrave of Muspelheim, Marshal of the Holy Inquisition meets his challenger Kamron Lorganson, Duke of Earth's Hall, Margrave of Poryatu for the agreed duel till death.
Kamron has decided to use the 'neutral' strategy while Menelaus has chosen the 'defensive' strategy, giving Kamron the advantage.
The duel goes as planned, then badly for Menelaus. He suffers several slight wounds, then a final, fatal blow. The healers hurry, but they are too late.
There was a lot on the line in this duel, but in the end Trabiccola's execution was avenged.
Kudos to Matt, player of Menelaus for accepting. Too often duel challenges are discarded for fear of losing a power position but being both in one (though his was arguably better :P), I think this was one of the more exciting duels I've witnessed. Probably because I took part in it myself though... :)
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There was a lot on the line in this duel, but in the end Trabiccola's execution was avenged.
Kudos to Matt, player of Menelaus for accepting. Too often duel challenges are discarded for fear of losing a power position but being both in one (though his was arguably better :P), I think this was one of the more exciting duels I've witnessed. Probably because I took part in it myself though... :)
It was a bit disappointing to wake up this morning to see that my character had died from the duel but hey, there was always a chance of that outcome when it is to the death. And while I admit that I was hesitant to accept, I'm glad that I did for it was still fun to do. Thanks for the challenge!
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There was a lot on the line in this duel
What was?
I want to hear that story.
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It was a bit disappointing to wake up this morning to see that my character had died from the duel but hey, there was always a chance of that outcome when it is to the death. And while I admit that I was hesitant to accept, I'm glad that I did for it was still fun to do. Thanks for the challenge!
Heh, yeah it was a great relief in turn. Thanks for accepting. ;)
What was?
I want to hear that story.
Well, there were two duchies on the line, two rich regions, and then Menelaus was also judge and marshal. I'd say that's quite a lot.
As for the reason for the duel, Kamron saw one of his vassals executed by Menelaus, he then called him out for retribution when Morek was on a raid in his duchy.