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BattleMaster => Locals => Dwilight => Topic started by: Vita` on October 19, 2014, 09:32:54 PM
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It struck me that there is not thread about this. Welcome to the other half of astroism since Jonsu broke SA! Followed by Alaster.
What is the difference from northern SA?
Recognition of the legitimate College of Lights prior to Jonsu's corruption as the only true leaders of the Church, so far currently Machiavel, Turin, and Katrina (last Legitimate Light, the others were last legitimate Luminaries).
From Lights Malus and Rabisu, that only the priesthood should rule the Church, resulting in primarily priesthood-led Church. This in opposition to voting over Church rulers.
Consideration of Rabisu Daycyn as a prophet, posthumously.
Interpretation of the western monsters as being caused by federation/peaceful stagnation, and dwilight requiring battles based off various cyclical/regenerative/reincarnation ideas from Prophet Mathurin. Thus, battles are held as sacred and celebrated by fighting astroists on both sides.
Simpler rank structure for elders and members. A priest elder for every realm with a priest to manage its temples.
Building a good playing atmosphere for members is an important part of the religion, similar to what rulers are instructed to do when elected.
What is the same as northern SA?
Recognition of Mathurin as the Holy Prophet and all his orthodox teachings.
Recent news?
Turin of the northern Church and Seoras of the southern Church are discussing future astroist councils between the two churches.
Faith growing in temples and believers (a few thousand a day).
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Awesome! Look forward to interacting with this new element.
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And now ESA has its prophet. ;)
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So a few updates.
Rabisu Daycryn and Malus Solari have been declared the Second and Third Prophets, respectively. I suck at updating their writings into the wiki though.
We've added Deverka's Day and Pierre's Day as holy days honouring fallen heroes of the faith in addition to Boreal's Day, and announced the veneration of all faithful heroes who died in battle, their holy day being the day they died (as counted seasonally). Incidentally, Rynn died the day (18th day of spring) before Pierre's Day (19th day of spring).
We have temples in Luria, Swordfell, and Helyg Derwyddon. We have noble believers in Luria, Swordfell, D'hara, Astrum, and Helyg Derwyddon (going to take time to get used to spelling this realm...). We have three priests, unfortunately all in Luria.
As above, we encourage the frequency of battles. Thus, as a corollary to that, smaller realms tends to be encouraged. We have no current theocracies, but promote the existence of theocracies. We oppose the idea of a unified federation of theocracies in favor of theocracies warring each other for the glory of the bloodstars.
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I just think of it as the HD Realm, feudalism in glorious 1080p resolution. They dirty peasants are all pixelated though,
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As above, we encourage the frequency of battles. Thus, as a corollary to that, smaller realms tends to be encouraged. (...)
I must admit I joined the ESA for this and this reason only. From there, it got quite.. confusing. Suddenly my character is involved with all kinds of history, lots of names, words he can't even pronounce,.. and it is quite complex. Must say that as a 'layman' (is that even used well in this context?), it is quite difficult to be more interested in ESA except for the above.
Just my 2 cents obviously. I did not grow into it as much as any of you probably.
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Hmm...when I founded it, I intentionally set out to do less 'long theological sermon', but at some level I feel necessary to explain some why behind why we hold certain values. Generally, I found that constant theological debate and sermons never held player interest in SA except for a select few, so I generally held such details to the priesthood and kept the theology relatively basic for the members. Perhaps I haven't been as basic as I thought?
Anyway, ESA continues to progress. Temples in Arnor, HD, Swordfell, D'Hara, Fissoa, Luria. Noble believers in Luria, D'Hara, Swordfell, HD, Astrum, Morek Empire. A few more heroic members.
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Is the posthumous prophet thing official doctrine or just an idea many hold?
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Is the posthumous prophet thing official doctrine or just an idea many hold?
What do you mean by this?
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Like is it something all ESA members must beleive or can there be debate?
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Like is it something all ESA members must beleive or can there be debate?
No, I mean what do you mean by posthumous prophet?
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I think he's referring Rabisu and Malus, though that only accurately describes Rabisu. Malus was still alive when declared. Not sure if we view Malus as dead or in a very deep meditation (char/family deleted anyway).
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I think he's referring Rabisu and Malus, though that only accurately describes Rabisu. Malus was still alive when declared. Not sure if we view Malus as dead or in a very deep meditation (char/family deleted anyway).
If that's the case, I believe it is pretty much doctrine, though not one anyone loses any sleep over. ESA is very much a religion that focuses on the present, rather than getting worked up over the past. So people are more interested in listening to the current prophet speak, than arguing over whether past nobles were prophets.
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Seoras is a prophet now?
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I think there's mixed views. Seoras has always held that a Prophet never declares himself a Prophet. Mathurin didn't. Nor did any other ESA prophet (nvm that one was posthumous). They were acclaimed by the faithful. That was a part of his objections to Jonsu and Alaster declaring themselves prophets. So, Seoras has never stated he's a Prophet. He's never made a deal out of being superior in balance or anything of such. He just shares his insights. Within the religion, his rank is Penitent Protector. There is a Prophet rank (from when Malus was around), but he doesn't hold it.
However, he does take a guiding hand to different nobility throughout Dwilight, whether they are Church members or not. He was a priestly emperor who gave up imperial, royal, ducal, lordly power to preserve the church under Mathurin's teachings. He did die and return from death while a religious leader. Old SA did admit he was right after all about Alaster after they gave Alaster a pass. So some within the Church do call him or otherwise treat him as a Prophet or His Holiness. It's something that has gradually increased over time.
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Like is it something all ESA members must beleive or can there be debate?
There's not the same hardline nature to ESA. There's some core conceptual virtues we follow, but plenty of room for characters to play that out in their own way. What Seoras necessarily approves of, disapproves of is a requirement of belief of everyone else. Depending on what it is, he might yell more or less, it'd play out via persuasion, not mechanics. For example, Glaumring. Seoras thinks he's a raving madman, but he's a member.
As Gundam said, most just don't care because its just roleplay background. And I knew that founding ESA. I *try* to only use theological concepts as IC flavor for why we have certain virtues we strive for. Anything more complex belongs for the priesthood or elders, not the general members who are turned off by lengthy theological discussions.
Oh well that's true it would have been better if there were more internal conflict on the level of actual wars.
And that's how I've been orienting ESA from the beginning, to avoid that mistake. In many ways, thats the 'Lesson of the First Church'. Having that federation, whatever quibbles on what was or was not a crusade, and rulers that refused to war other astroists was what went wrong, more than anything within SA. SA was just the excuse imo. For instance, Sergio, even when it had nothing to do with his realm, stuck himself in a war and continued that war solely because his ally asked, when that ally itself was already itself backup support for its ally. And that policy of war continued even as it hurt his realm when, warring their fellow theocracy would've attracted nobles to both theocracies and made them both stronger. Forming a third theocracy from morek in the process would've made SA even stronger again. To heal sometimes you have to cut yourself a bit.
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Meanwhile in Dwilight:
Orders from Apollo Hyacinthus Lacedaemon
(Personal message to Arkady R. Mayhem)
Foul Sorcerer Arkady,
Behold the vanity of the snares you have set in the open. You lie in a grave dug with your own hands.
You have shunned the light of redemption and cleaved to sin and darkness.
Reap now the fullest of the fruit of your labour and drink deeply of every last dreg of the cup that is before you.
The Golden Dawn of Truth has revealed the blackness of your heart. With the world as our witness, we cast you out forever from the Light of the Stars. Begone from the land of the living, alone and despised into the eternal night;
Where the worm of your guilt gnaws forever on your husk as you are consumed by the everlasting rage of your impotence and shame.
Anathema is your Name and Legacy. Anathema is your Family and all that spawns from its foul womb. The Land itself rejects your bones. You will become nothing more than a tale of folly while your wraith never rests.
This Doom I pronounce,
By Dwilight, The Bloodstars and Luria,
Through Night and Blood to Light,
Apollo Hyacinthus Lacedaemon
Knight of Unterstrom
Priest of Ecclesial Sanguiastroism
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Meanwhile in Dwilight:
*snip*
Please do not post personal messages on here, unless they are specifically roleplays, then they are to go in the roleplay section of the forum.
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Very interested in ESA.... currently in Swordfell... anyone know what temples are near me?
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Very interested in ESA.... currently in Swordfell... anyone know what temples are near me?
There is one in Freke, Astrum.
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Very interested in ESA.... currently in Swordfell... anyone know what temples are near me?
There's also one in Caiyun
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Sounds like maybe Swordfell isn't the best realm to play in ESA, then?
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Well, SA has destroyed temples in Swordfell and has not rebuilt them as agreed-upon.
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Well, SA has destroyed temples in Swordfell and has not rebuilt them as agreed-upon.
Shhhhhh! We can't let everyone know!