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BattleMaster => Locals => Dwilight => Topic started by: Dragonsbane on January 04, 2015, 06:23:38 PM
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My character's plan for if the war can end, is to try and get the resources necessary to take back one of the rouge cites like Paisly or Libidizedd and form the monster slaying realm of Dwilight (No Name Yet) and do exploration, monster slaying, and region reclomation for the people of Dwilight.
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Just keep in might that I doubt that Astrum would cede Libidizedd to anyone else, same for D'Hara and Paisly and Fissoa and Candiels. Doesn't mean you can't slay monsters as part of one of these realms, though, without splitting off.
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#BringbackJonsu2015
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A monster slaying realm wouldn't need tons of regions, so it would likely given regions away as it pushed further in to those long displaced.
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how long have you been holding onto that image for the day you just might be able to use it? :3
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lol whipped it up in 2 seconds on photoshop.
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A monster slaying realm wouldn't need tons of regions, so it would likely given regions away as it pushed further in to those long displaced.
The hordes are too much for a 1-region realm to survive. Any realm that wants to kick monster butt needs a strong economy safely away from the hordes.
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See Chénier, we are already developing ideas, I toss things out, you use superior knowledge and experience with the game to build a working model.
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See Chénier, we are already developing ideas, I toss things out, you use superior knowledge and experience with the game to build a working model.
Well, I know for a fact that D'Hara wants to turn its attention back west, so it isn't a new idea. ;)
Pretty sure Fissoa would like to take back Candiels, too. Not sure why Astrum didn't even try to retake Libidizedd, though, they weren't in the war for quite a while, they had time...
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A monster slaying realm wouldn't need tons of regions, so it would likely given regions away as it pushed further in to those long displaced.
I'd be supremely flattered if Glaumring had kept that in reserve :p
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I'd love to revamp the Order of Aristocrats and get some serious RP and Intrigue brewing up as it was meant to. The war took all the thunder
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Pretty sure Fissoa would like to take back Candiels, too.
Jep. Sky has sent out a few units and advies to do some scouting but with no success. Captured by rogues upon landing.
Also Candiels was overrun by 60k CS of monsters, pretty much putting those plans on hold indefinitely :p
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Jep. Sky has sent out a few units and advies to do some scouting but with no success. Captured by rogues upon landing.
Also Candiels was overrun by 60k CS of monsters, pretty much putting those plans on hold indefinitely :p
Have they tried going further around? I wondered, at some point after this war it would be interesting to see the rogue forces mapped a little... perhaps that could be the seed towards entering the West. And hey, if they can't land everywhere, we should amass an army and try it. 8)
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Jep. Sky has sent out a few units and advies to do some scouting but with no success. Captured by rogues upon landing.
Also Candiels was overrun by 60k CS of monsters, pretty much putting those plans on hold indefinitely :p
Did you try "delaying arrival"? Usually, when you are in-between regions, 1 hour away from your destination, you get to look around, even if it's a sea route.
But indeed, I think we'll need the League to get together to bash at one city at a time, because everyone on their own I don't think any would succeed.
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Did you try "delaying arrival"? Usually, when you are in-between regions, 1 hour away from your destination, you get to look around, even if it's a sea route.
But indeed, I think we'll need the League to get together to bash at one city at a time, because everyone on their own I don't think any would succeed.
We tried to no avail. Also sailing around to land on another side is not possible
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We tried to no avail. Also sailing around to land on another side is not possible
Can you elaborate?
When you attack a region that has overwhelming defenders, you get a report saying what the strength of both sides were, don't you?
And I thought that we could scout ahead of sea routes after traveling halfway?
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Can you elaborate?
When you attack a region that has overwhelming defenders, you get a report saying what the strength of both sides were, don't you?
And I thought that we could scout ahead of sea routes after traveling halfway?
Yeah for the sea-routes I honestly can't remember what went wrong. Maybe I should send an OOC message to those involved. Or rack it up to Skyndarbau starting to forget stuff :p as for the new sea travel, I think a message comes on preventing you from sailing around to the West of the continent (similar to how the blight worked on BT)
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Yes, the sailing links to western seas are grayed out with an explanation about an infestation of sea monsters causing the ship captain to refuse to sail that direction or some such.
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Ferry routes still work though. Don't they?
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Ferry routes still work though. Don't they?
Pretty sure they do.
I'm trying to get them checked out, anyways. If you go without a unit, you are pretty sure to get captured by rogue patrols before you find anything useful, however. Bring a few men and some scouts.
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If you don't bring a unit, you'll get captured by the monsters.
If you bring a unit, you'll most likely get skirmished by the monsters.
If you bring a unit and evade, sooner or later you'll end up in battle with the monsters, lose your unit, probably get seriously wounded, and then get captured by the monsters.
It's not totally impossible to get into the West alone, but the chances of it succeeding for more than a day or 2 at most are vanishingly small.
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If you don't bring a unit, you'll get captured by the monsters.
If you bring a unit, you'll most likely get skirmished by the monsters.
If you bring a unit and evade, sooner or later you'll end up in battle with the monsters, lose your unit, probably get seriously wounded, and then get captured by the monsters.
It's not totally impossible to get into the West alone, but the chances of it succeeding for more than a day or 2 at most are vanishingly small.
For the time being, the goal is really only to see how many monsters are there waiting.
Getting skirmished reveals defender strength. Avoiding battle by delaying arrival and being on evasive can too.
What's beyond the coastal cities is secondary, really. Candiels, Paisly, Golden Farrow, Eidulb, and Libidizedd are of most interest. Then their doughnuts. Then Libidizedd's rural. Everything else comes far, far behind. The question, for the time being, is really only "with enough dedication, can we get beach heads?"
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I don't suppose the devs could just give us an idea of how much CS of rogues per region there is? (mean + standard deviation? ;) )
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Can't advies scout?
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Can't advies scout?
nope
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I don't suppose the devs could just give us an idea of how much CS of rogues per region there is? (mean + standard deviation? ;) )
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Just mount a decent expedition and find out.
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Just mount a decent expedition and find out.
Hard to do with a war at hand. Also pointless when a single noble is all it takes to scout a region.
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Hard to do with a war at hand. Also pointless when a single noble is all it takes to scout a region.
End the war then. Luria is already moving on (at least from the Southern League).
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End the war then. Luria is already moving on (at least from the Southern League).
This. D'Hara and Fissoa just need to accept a return to the status quo (which is short of actually existing, 2 regions are still in Fissoan hands) and you can smash the West as hard as you want! Poor Morek, though.
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This. D'Hara and Fissoa just need to accept a return to the status quo (which is short of actually existing, 2 regions are still in Fissoan hands) and you can smash the West as hard as you want! Poor Morek, though.
Despite being in the north, they are still allies. Sadly the consensus is there will be no peace that leaves any of the alliance out. Hell so far as I understand they count as being in the "southern league" perhaps it needs to be renamed. He-man Luria Haters League
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Despite being in the north, they are still allies. Sadly the consensus is there will be no peace that leaves any of the alliance out. Hell so far as I understand they count as being in the "southern league" perhaps it needs to be renamed. He-man Luria Haters League
I fully understand that, of course. Only mocking the possibility! Besides, isn't it just called "The League" nowadays? Or we can just name it Dwilight. Perhaps we should attack Swordfell to officialize this war as all versus Luria, just to do it right.
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I fully understand that, of course. Only mocking the possibility! Besides, isn't it just called "The League" nowadays? Or we can just name it Dwilight. Perhaps we should attack Swordfell to officialize this war as all versus Luria, just to do it right.
I completely endorse these plans
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This. D'Hara and Fissoa just need to accept a return to the status quo (which is short of actually existing, 2 regions are still in Fissoan hands) and you can smash the West as hard as you want! Poor Morek, though.
Luria has made no peace offer.
As for ourselves, well... Asking allies and realm-mates to formulate a peace offer is... a lengthy process.
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Offers have been made to at least one realm. It's hard to negotiate when rulers keep disappearing.
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Offers have been made to at least one realm. It's hard to negotiate when rulers keep disappearing.
Yea, well, "to one realm" is likely your problem.
If the League allows Luria to beat up on any of its members, then we'll just turn Dwi into a new FEI or AT, where there's a superpower and nobody left strong enough to fight them.
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The war hasn't been bad to Luria, it is the league that is tired of the war. And, the league has primarily been fighting on Lurian soil since the post-invasion period began. As seen up north, that isn't the case anymore.
So, some members of the League might decide its preferable to come to the table and cut a deal.
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It's like a lovely game of betrayal, but at the end, the allies you left behind might not be around to confront you anyway.
Oh and Chénier, Luria has no intention of creating a hegemony (unlike, say... The League?). Our little attempt to create a colony in Morek wouldn't have been part of Luria and would have gone their own way. Would have, will. We're not done yet.
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The war hasn't been bad to Luria, it is the league that is tired of the war. And, the league has primarily been fighting on Lurian soil since the post-invasion period began. As seen up north, that isn't the case anymore.
So, some members of the League might decide its preferable to come to the table and cut a deal.
Are they nobles? Or modern day politicians :)
It is of course possible, and the longer the war drags on the more possible it will become. Right now it appears everyone is united in the concept of no man left behind though.
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Are they nobles? Or modern day politicians :)
It is of course possible, and the longer the war drags on the more possible it will become. Right now it appears everyone is united in the concept of no man left behind though.
There seems to be enough interest inside the League for doing anything besides continue fighting Luria that it isn't necessarily so far off.
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There seems to be enough interest inside the League for doing anything besides continue fighting Luria that it isn't necessarily so far off.
You have not been paying much attention. The league is in general delusional. They want peace, so long as they lose nothing in achieving it. People have a new goal they can not move on to while the war wages, so they are willing to get peace to pursue that so long as it doesn't cost them anything. Pride seems high enough still that they aren't willing to consider a peace agreement were they appear to have lost. We shall know more shortly as the league hashes out what they think a "fair" arrangement is.
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You have not been paying much attention. The league is in general delusional. They want peace, so long as they lose nothing in achieving it. People have a new goal they can not move on to while the war wages, so they are willing to get peace to pursue that so long as it doesn't cost them anything. Pride seems high enough still that they aren't willing to consider a peace agreement were they appear to have lost. We shall know more shortly as the league hashes out what they think a "fair" arrangement is.
I completely agree on the League being delusional. Up until Barca was destroyed they seemed to think that victory was right around every corner.
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I completely agree on the League being delusional. Up until Barca was destroyed they seemed to think that victory was right around every corner.
Well it has to be hiding somewhere, and when we find it Luria will be sorry.
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Well, two out of three big campaigns Fissoa has orchestrated were ruined by (in)conveniently springing bugs. And it was pretty disheartening bearing in mind it took RL weeks to coordinate with allies and get to Lurian shores.
Now of course when our King, General, Judge and Marshal ragequit in frustration after the army was suddenly wiped out by freshly implemented and unbalanced peasant hordes we're facing a much less rosy perspective.
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You are aware that Dwilight is a testing island, where new features are tested first, right? And that BattleMaster, in general, is in a permanent beta state? And that there are abysmally few volunteer developers, all with limited time, to implement, test, and balance new features/improvements or fix bugs? And that, by and large, all it takes is *asking* to contribute and demonstrating a basic level of programming competence that could probably be learned by a minimal amount of online education resources? What I'm trying to say here is that if people want bugs fixed more promptly, we need more volunteers willing to fix them; also that Dwilight is a testing island in a perma-beta game, so there will be inconvenient events for everyone.
As far as the specific militia uprising, didn't you see Morek stomped the week before by peasants in a huge battle report or discuss it with Morek, see any of the forum threads in the weeks before (starting with the War Islands) upon the new looting changes or have any players with other War Island characters mention it within your realm? I'm not sure if the game announcements log was updated before or after Fissoa's landing, but I imagine they were before the sea landing. I have a hard time believing Fissoa had no idea about that.
I assume you meant the travel bug that botched your attack of Shinnen Purlieus as the second inconvenient bug? If so, it was just as inconvenient for Luria up north as we were stuck travelling unable to stop Morek Empire as it looted Poryatown.
Bugs happens. Work through it. That's how BM has been for years and how it will remain. I could very easily count many 'if only not for that bug...or if only that feature had been properly implemented' situations my characters have been through, but they are just that, bug 'ifs'. They are the just part and parcel of the unpredictable environment we live in (or the gods we live under) that sporadically curse and favor us.
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I actually realize all that and that is why I am not among those who quit.
I was in fact making a different point there.
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Our little attempt to create a colony in Morek wouldn't have been part of Luria and would have gone their own way. Would have, will. We're not done yet.
Yea, right, like we never heard that before... And as if Luria hasn't tried to vassalize all of their neighbors since the start...
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All of the empire setups and hegemonies, even when created with the best of intentions, are disastrous. Look at the FEI, the colonies, AT.
If you want Dwilight to remain fun, then stop trying to become an unbeatable force. Luria is already too strong for Dwilight's sake. Maybe Swordfell could have helped change the tides of the war... but they don't look strong enough for that. When you get the whole continent gang up on a realm, and unable to take it down, then that continent has a problem.
Yes, the League are all buddies right now, but they weren't always, and they've got other plans than to sit around and play with their thumbs. Peace would not mean stagnation.
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Yes, the League are all buddies right now, but they weren't always, and they've got other plans than to sit around and play with their thumbs. Peace would not mean stagnation.
If anything, war is stagnation right now.
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If you want Dwilight to remain fun, then stop trying to become an unbeatable force.
How is this not what the League is currently doing? Luria has so many nobles because it was the only place most of those coming from Asylon and Niselur culturally fit in. Most refugees are trying to leave. As soon as this war ends Luria's population will drop and the island will have some more variable realms that perhaps aren't aligned with D'Hara or Morek (the main sticking point to why there are so many refugees in Luria) and provide some more diverse politics.
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Most refugees are trying to leave.
So... leave. It's not like anyone is forcing them to stay.
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So... leave. It's not like anyone is forcing them to stay.
Leave as in get their own realm again. I have said it before but I still think that whoever gives these people a home first will have a close supporter for a little while at least. If I were the league, I would seriously consider giving these people a country of their own in exchange for them at least staying out of the war against Luria (I would try for armed support first though).
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So... leave. It's not like anyone is forcing them to stay.
This war against every other realm is forcing them to stay. There has to be somewhere for them to go to. It is much more complicated than just "leaving", as we learned with the destruction of all realms but Astrum from the west during the western blight. It's not like old Dwilight where people could just pack up and form a new colony in rogue lands if they wanted.
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See, "they want to carve a realm out of their enemies" is a completely different story than "they want to leave".
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See, "they want to carve a realm out of their enemies" is a completely different story than "they want to leave".
That point of view depends on who you ask. :3
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How is this not what the League is currently doing? Luria has so many nobles because it was the only place most of those coming from Asylon and Niselur culturally fit in. Most refugees are trying to leave. As soon as this war ends Luria's population will drop and the island will have some more variable realms that perhaps aren't aligned with D'Hara or Morek (the main sticking point to why there are so many refugees in Luria) and provide some more diverse politics.
It's been mentionned a few times that the exiles could be settled back on the Western continent.
With active support of the other realms, there's a chance they could make it. They don't need to carve out anyone to get a new home.
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See, "they want to carve a realm out of their enemies" is a completely different story than "they want to leave".
Not really. Where are they supposed to go? Because of this war, everyone is currently our enemies.
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It's been mentionned a few times that the exiles could be settled back on the Western continent.
With active support of the other realms, there's a chance they could make it. They don't need to carve out anyone to get a new home.
So Asylon, Niselur, Barca and Astrum (who were all also some of the largest militaries on the continent) couldn't even slow the monster hordes, but a small colony of exiles is somehow going to survive? Unless the hordes have been turned down, there is no chance for any realm to survive.
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So Asylon, Niselur, Barca and Astrum (who were all also some of the largest militaries on the continent) couldn't even slow the monster hordes, but a small colony of exiles is somehow going to survive? Unless the hordes have been turned down, there is no chance for any realm to survive.
All were in their own corners, without any outside support, and with no safe haven to fall back to.
If you set up a denser realm in Golden Farrow, for example, then you are just a few sea routes away from moster-free lands, with realms that don't have any (significant) rogue presence to threaten their economies. From there, you then expand outwards. Doesn't matter if you don't have any rurals or they are improductive, food can be imported from the East. Gold can come from the East, too. Along with massive armies.
If the code spawns too many rogues for even an all-continent coalition to set up a colony in a coastal city, then the code should be tweaked back to make rogues more manageable, more similar to what they were like when Dwi was first opened. Even the huge hordes of the old days, before being tuned down, would be fine nowadays, with all of the Eastern realms built up and able to help.
Because if the only path available to everyone is for Luria to carve out Morek, then Dwilight is going to suck really bad, and really quickly. We have enough continents dominated by single entities, let's not let it happen on Dwilight too.
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We have enough continents dominated by single entities, let's not let it happen on Dwilight too.
*cough*League*cough*
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*cough*League*cough*
Pfff. That's like saying AT's northern alliance (whatever it was called) was some kind of hegemony because they ganged up on CE, it's completely ridiculous.
Luria created the League. Its member realms have a long history of letting each other rot in various conflicts. Just now, a Fissoan lord shut down an astroist temple. They aren't likely to turn on each other right away, but if Luria doesn't threaten to take control, they wouldn't automatically band together either.
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Just now, a Fissoan lord shut down an astroist temple.
Oh my.
Do you think this could stir some !@#$ up?
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Oh my.
Do you think this could stir some !@#$ up?
If Luria agreed to a white peace? Maybe. Otherwise, no, it'll just be ignored and everyone will pretend it never happened.
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It's not ridiculous, you are uniting 2/3 of the continent's resources vs 1/6.
The only thing that's allowing Luria to fend off the total spankfest that's thrown upon it are the nobles it has. So either you break Luria, or you concede that it's the League that'll have to give up land, not Luria. And if you think Luria will dominate the world with a puppet in Nifelheim, you've seriously had too many nightmares about us.
Edit: Also, why would we even want a puppet? And who would even agree to it? And even if so, what do Fissoa and D'Hara have to fear from it?
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Luria has never been good at projecting force—which is partly a function of its location. In order to reach a neighbour, it has to cross a mountain range, an ocean strait, or a desert.
Luria is powerful now primarily because it is able to fight close to home. I know it's actually managed to do some damage abroad, but that's a far cry from Luria, all on its own, deciding to go out and, say, bust some heads on the Madina island, or even march into Flowrestown.
It can be maddening, seeing all the people who fight a war till they're losing, then have them say, "Oh, we should stop now, but you need to give us back the land you took first." (Even "we should stop now before you can take any more of our land" is pretty frustrating.) Not because it's not a realistic thing for them to want, but because it's not a realistic thing for them to expect. Sure, you can ask for it—but you'd damn well better be willing to make some meaningful concessions if you are losing a war.
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It's not ridiculous, you are uniting 2/3 of the continent's resources vs 1/6.
The only thing that's allowing Luria to fend off the total spankfest that's thrown upon it are the nobles it has. So either you break Luria, or you concede that it's the League that'll have to give up land, not Luria. And if you think Luria will dominate the world with a puppet in Nifelheim, you've seriously had too many nightmares about us.
Edit: Also, why would we even want a puppet? And who would even agree to it? And even if so, what do Fissoa and D'Hara have to fear from it?
You can't be serious?
You are serious.
If you put a puppet in Morek, who'll stop Luria from stomping over D'Hara?
Luria has never been good at projecting force—which is partly a function of its location. In order to reach a neighbour, it has to cross a mountain range, an ocean strait, or a desert.
Luria is powerful now primarily because it is able to fight close to home. I know it's actually managed to do some damage abroad, but that's a far cry from Luria, all on its own, deciding to go out and, say, bust some heads on the Madina island, or even march into Flowrestown.
It can be maddening, seeing all the people who fight a war till they're losing, then have them say, "Oh, we should stop now, but you need to give us back the land you took first." (Even "we should stop now before you can take any more of our land" is pretty frustrating.) Not because it's not a realistic thing for them to want, but because it's not a realistic thing for them to expect. Sure, you can ask for it—but you'd damn well better be willing to make some meaningful concessions if you are losing a war.
They sailed all the way to Morek... why couldn't they land on the Madinian isle?
Also, I heard Morek finally defeated your forces in the North, so they should be taking back these regions before you are able to return. Doesn't sound like the League would need to ask Luria for any land at all, and hardly feels like we are losing. Only thing we lost is the beachhead and the progress that had been made towards an invasion, but we are no worse off than when we started.
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If you put a puppet in Morek, who'll stop Luria from stomping over D'Hara?
So the way you see it, there can never be peace with Luria.
And again, no puppetry going on here.
Also, I heard Morek finally defeated your forces in the North, so they should be taking back these regions before you are able to return. Doesn't sound like the League would need to ask Luria for any land at all, and hardly feels like we are losing. Only thing we lost is the beachhead and the progress that had been made towards an invasion, but we are no worse off than when we started.
Fine, let's continue the war then. You're the ones complaining about it.
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Since I've been back on Dwilight I've seen:
- Frequent battles
- Uncertain outcomes
- Realms safe in their existence (no one is roflstomping their way to anyone's capital)
- Actual deep-seated RP rationales for being at war
- Both internal and external dynamics
- A non-blocked horizon where no one can be 100% certain what the maps will look like in 6 months
- People with original ideas about what the map should look like and the willingness to fight for it
Which is all good. I don't get why either side is complaining. Keep fighting! This is what BM should be like.
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Chénier, sometimes you are really dense. My implication that the League is a hegemony (like Lorgan's implication) serves one purpose. To let you open your eyes and realize that what you write down half the time is pure nonsense.
Luria sees the League as a future hegemony and the League sees Luria as a future hegemony. And both views are wrong. So stop claiming "Luria needs to die or they will rule Dwilight!" much like we will not go say the League needs to be converted into puppets or Luria would die. That's nonsense. Every time you go and claim that Luria is too strong for Dwilight and will destroy whoever it can, you may feel very free to consider yourself on the level of a Westboro Baptists Church preacher. Seriously, listen to yourself. Do you have some severe form of paranoia that you think D'Hara is doomed to die by the hand of Luria? The simple fact that you claim Luria is creating a puppet up North (which it isn't) or is setting up a rule over all of Dwilight (yeah, right) is ridiculous.
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Chénier, sometimes you are really dense. My implication that the League is a hegemony (like Lorgan's implication) serves one purpose. To let you open your eyes and realize that what you write down half the time is pure nonsense.
Luria sees the League as a future hegemony and the League sees Luria as a future hegemony. And both views are wrong. So stop claiming "Luria needs to die or they will rule Dwilight!" much like we will not go say the League needs to be converted into puppets or Luria would die. That's nonsense. Every time you go and claim that Luria is too strong for Dwilight and will destroy whoever it can, you may feel very free to consider yourself on the level of a Westboro Baptists Church preacher. Seriously, listen to yourself. Do you have some severe form of paranoia that you think D'Hara is doomed to die by the hand of Luria? The simple fact that you claim Luria is creating a puppet up North (which it isn't) or is setting up a rule over all of Dwilight (yeah, right) is ridiculous.
To be equally childish, I'll just go ahead and say "no, you are dense".
I've never claimed Luria has to die. I'm not even claiming it should accept surrender. What's being brought up is a white peace. Nobody loses anything.
"Our colony is not a puppet realm" is just a load of horse crap invaders like to throw around. They almost always end up a puppet realm. Luria tried to take over D'Hara on a number of times. They did that with Fissoa too. Swordfell is filled with people who would love to be a part of Luria. Now they want to carve out Morek. But noooooo, Luria obviously doesn't want to tell others how to live. How could I be so dense? All luria wants is to host some opera and do some gardening.
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But noooooo, Luria obviously doesn't want to tell others how to live.
Y'know, Chénier, I can't speak for the people currently in power, but 90% of what Alanna always wanted from the realms she tried to vassalize was...that they acknowledge her as Empress. That was pretty much it. So long as realms within the Lurian Empire didn't actively work against the interests of Luria itself, she wasn't interested in interfering much.
...D'Hara's a different story, though. As far as she was concerned, D'Hara had to die. ;D
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I've never claimed Luria has to die. I'm not even claiming it should accept surrender. What's being brought up is a white peace. Nobody loses anything.
White peace = Luria signs a peace treaty with EVERYONE. In other words: "Let's defeat them with boredom!"
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White peace = Luria signs a peace treaty with EVERYONE. In other words: "Let's defeat them with boredom!"
Luria can try to colonize the West too. Help out the exiles. Not necessarily EVERYONE either, really, Swordfell needs not be mentionned if Luria doesn't want them to be...
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So the League can't win the war because of the huge density of nobles on Luria, but the war is one of the main reasons keeping those nobles bunched up together and not half a continent away. Hmmm
Also, when those realms fought against the monster invasion, at least in Asylon, it was in heavily bottled up formations, like the entirety of the realm in one location. Asylon itself was about the size Luria is now. Even then the monster horde was pretty unstoppable. With unlimited resources you might be able to support a city and maybe a townsland or two which would always need to be filled with nobles, but they would forever be reliant on a continuous flow of outside help and they could never enter into war with other player realms. It would take a very specific kind of person to want to play in a realm like that and it is a bit unfair to assume most of the refugees would find such a situation amenable. This recolonizing the West as simple solution seems like an extremely dense idea for those that had to give up their lands during the closing of the West by the devs. The devs intentionally made those lands inhospitable for realms. If it would be possible, most of us would still be there. It isn't as if we didn't try.
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Luria can try to colonize the West too. Help out the exiles.
Maybe, if the exiles want to go there. Though like Graeth said, it's probably not very realistic to think you can conquer yourself an actual realm in that place and sustain it. The best option would be a semi-independent Duchy I think. Or maybe the island of Libidizzed could work as a truly independent realm, and go from there.
Not necessarily EVERYONE either, really, Swordfell needs not be mentionned if Luria doesn't want them to be...
Ok so here we'd not be breaking a peace treaty exactly. Basically what you're saying is, leave us alone and go stomp on Swordfell. Not really that great for the overall fun of Dwilight I'd say. Just better for your realm.
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Since I've been back on Dwilight I've seen:
- Frequent battles
- Uncertain outcomes
- Realms safe in their existence (no one is roflstomping their way to anyone's capital)
- Actual deep-seated RP rationales for being at war
- Both internal and external dynamics
- A non-blocked horizon where no one can be 100% certain what the maps will look like in 6 months
- People with original ideas about what the map should look like and the willingness to fight for it
Which is all good. I don't get why either side is complaining. Keep fighting! This is what BM should be like.
Yep!
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Since I've been back on Dwilight I've seen:
- Frequent battles
- Uncertain outcomes
- Realms safe in their existence (no one is roflstomping their way to anyone's capital)
- Actual deep-seated RP rationales for being at war
- Both internal and external dynamics
- A non-blocked horizon where no one can be 100% certain what the maps will look like in 6 months
- People with original ideas about what the map should look like and the willingness to fight for it
Which is all good. I don't get why either side is complaining. Keep fighting! This is what BM should be like.
Except for the half of the Dwilight playerbase that was driven out of the west, yes, the realms are safe in their existence.
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As a General of one of Luria's enemies, I must say, from my point of view, it seems the League owes its staggering lack of progress in this war entirely to itself.
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The West is the only place where Dwilights frontier feeling can still be found. Trying to support one city against an onslaught of monsters would be glorious, especially because it would most likely fail. Candiels had 80K CS (or 60?) of rogues when it fell
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It held out for a very long while though and it was great fun for everyone involved in defending it.
Felt like Helm's Deep!
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Yep!
Except when most players involved say how much they don't find the war fun at all.
It held out for a very long while though and it was great fun for everyone involved in defending it.
Felt like Helm's Deep!
So what if not every exile would be satisfied? Guess what, they can't all be satisfied anyways. Either they are surrounded by hostile rogues, with lots of support, or they are surrounded by hostile realms, with almost no support.
A lot of players have expressed a desire for a "monster killing realm" and something that feels like Helm's Deep. A lot of players would find this fun. I'm sure the colony would draw many new players to Dwilight that would amply compesate for a few of the exiles preffering other things.
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If it is boring, stop fighting it. No one it's forcing you to fight it. Convince your realm to give it up. Stop marching yourself. Just stop and do something else.
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If it is boring, stop fighting it. No one it's forcing you to fight it. Convince your realm to give it up. Stop marching yourself. Just stop and do something else.
There are always two parties in a war. And sometimes, as much as a war can suck, letting the other party go ahead and do whatever it wants can suck even more.
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So stop attacking. If they choose to go after you, it will be them attacking you in your home ground. That's a completely different game.
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Well, that's actually happening right now to Fissoa and I have no idea why this is a different game.
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This is drifting rather close to contemporary IC events that are happening now so I'd like to be careful in what is specifically said, but the Lurian regions retaken now (Vaal/Maf) are those that lurians have insisted are lurian (they were lurian before the invasion) and will be lurian proper again one way or another.
I'd like to explain more, but I think they are events best played out ICly before explanation - so ICly pressure your new king to share diplomatic correspondence if he hasn't already. Luria's position has been quite clear.
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Are people seriously complaining about war in BM?
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Are people seriously complaining about war in BM?
Ugh. Here we go again.
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He has a point though. So many people complain that no war is boring, and Dwilight has a war, it's boring too. I can only reinforce Indirik's point. If this war on Dwilight is too boring, simply stop fighting it and do something else. Luria may be [enter many superlatives here] but it will never be capable to fight in all of the League's lands at the same time. Nor, and I cannot repeat this enough for the blind on here, has Luria Nova a hidden agenda to conquer the world.
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Way to oversimplify the issue.
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The war has been going on for a few years. Basically how wars went on in the middle-ages. Wars the don't really do anything for decades until that fateful day one side capitulates or is destroyed, but they are a long process of wearing each other down. This isn't modern warfare shock and awe, this is siege and pillaging warfare, it sucks , its boring and its basically what wars are like in a low fantasy setting, there is no glory, heroes die and no one cares because so many years have gone by and villians and oppurtunists prosper.
The sad thing is that because of the monster invasion the political and religious dynamics that made Dwilight so interesting and the distances involved have been destroyed. Once Luria is dead Dwilight will die of boredom because SA never fights SA and all of the player that oppose it will have drifted off to other servers or away from BM because BM without Dwilight kind of sucks.
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The war has been going on for a few years. Basically how wars went on in the middle-ages. Wars the don't really do anything for decades until that fateful day one side capitulates or is destroyed, but they are a long process of wearing each other down. This isn't modern warfare shock and awe, this is siege and pillaging warfare, it sucks , its boring and its basically what wars are like in a low fantasy setting, there is no glory, heroes die and no one cares because so many years have gone by and villians and oppurtunists prosper.
The sad thing is that because of the monster invasion the political and religious dynamics that made Dwilight so interesting and the distances involved have been destroyed. Once Luria is dead Dwilight will die of boredom because SA never fights SA and all of the player that oppose it will have drifted off to other servers or away from BM because BM without Dwilight kind of sucks.
Luckily nobody's come even close to killing Luria, eh.
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No, and thats a great thing. Its the last realm left that allows experimenting with different religions and ideas. Its the last fortress of a Dwilight that could be filled with independent kingdoms with their own unique cultures and mythos. All the other realms are essentially SA vassal states, they adhere to the same religion and fear SA even though its a mere shadow of its former glory. The fear is so strong that these realms can barely differentiate themselves from each other nowadays. What has happened is Empire Astroism, the last bastion of a different Dwilight is fighting against homogeny. With it will go all the last histories that exist outside of SA domination that has completely dominated every aspect of Dwilight since its foundation.
Maybe thats what is supposed to happen. SA wins and Dwilight can finally be deleted, turned off and erased. It would be final, as if the gods intended it to be that way...
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I think you are really overblowing the current relevance of SA.
I'll bet you maybe half of the people, at least the newer players, in Fissoa have no idea what that even is.
I've recently razed a SA temple and the reaction so far was "So why did you do that? Oh... Okay. Moving on."
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It is still my opinion that, if every character in Dwilight joined SA, new excuses for conflict would appear. The players here are creative and capable enough to make things interesting.
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Glaumring is realy skewing the image here. SA is not everywhere in Dwilight but Luria, Luria is not the only realm that is a catalyst to change. Many stories are happening around the continent as we speak, and just because not all of them are grand it doesn't mean they aren't worthwhile.
Besides, we've seen Luria trying to fragment. I see no relevant difference between the identities shown today by the different Duchies, and the identities of Luria Vesperi, Pian and Luries, Solaria and Luria Nova of the past.
Luria has a strong core story, which is great. I'd love to have a character there someday and see what it's all about. But it's still Luria. Predictably unpredictable as always.
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Its not really overblown when its still the dominant theology of Dwilight and the only religion used or allowed by the League and still in use in Luria. Fissoa is an outlyer, it always has been by virtue of being the furthest thing away from SA in all its history. That being said Fissoa has no native religion that I know of and beyond its war with Madina no real cultural impact on Dwilight until recently. Im not putting it down its just the reality of geography and recent history. Astrum, Morek are still heavy theocracies. D'Hara tows the line and Luria is like D'Hara , Swordfell fits in there too. SA may not be what it used to but its like saying the elephant in the room is slightly smaller because it hasnt eaten in a the last few hours. Its still in the room and still very apparent its there.
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Your information is severely outdated. Morek has not been pure SA in, like, forever. Some duchies dont even require you to be a member to be a lord. Some of their council members used to be pagans. If there were another religion on Dwilight, it would certainly be allowed in Morek, so long as it wasnt adversarial toward SA.
Really, your post is all fear mongering and sensationalism. You're describing a situation that stopped being true years ago.
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Its not really overblown when its still the dominant theology of Dwilight and the only religion used or allowed by the League and still in use in Luria. Fissoa is an outlyer, it always has been by virtue of being the furthest thing away from SA in all its history. That being said Fissoa has no native religion that I know of and beyond its war with Madina no real cultural impact on Dwilight until recently. Im not putting it down its just the reality of geography and recent history. Astrum, Morek are still heavy theocracies. D'Hara tows the line and Luria is like D'Hara , Swordfell fits in there too. SA may not be what it used to but its like saying the elephant in the room is slightly smaller because it hasnt eaten in a the last few hours. Its still in the room and still very apparent its there.
Um what. D'Hara has no policy regarding SA being the only religion. In fact a new religion started there only a month or so ago, before the founder paused so like many religions it lead to nothing. SA wasn't even relevant in a significant way back when Solaria was founded.
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Fissoa has other religions as well while zero SA presence character-wise.
Looks like some Lurians have been living under a rock for a while. :D
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So all the hubub about closing temples and holy war is hot air? Cool... Going to close more temples then!
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That depends. Are you going to use ooc info gained on the forum to guide your ic actions?
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So all the hubub about closing temples and holy war is hot air? Cool... Going to close more temples then!
That would depend upon what is stated. It is quite possible that SA would call a holy war and expect the faithful of ANY nation to answer the call. If they have stated that the entire league would support such a holy war, well that might be more debatable. The other side of the coin of course would be if jumping on the bandwagon would simply be a expedite way to rid ourselves of nobles and/or a religion that people want to bring down anyway. Much like how Rulers joining the crusades was often more about their personal fortunes then any real concern for the state of the holy city.
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So all the hubub about closing temples and holy war is hot air? Cool... Going to close more temples then!
Nobody likes the Bloodmoon Cult.
The irony is that you claim that SA is the big bad guy trying to impose religion on everyone, but by going about attacking temples, *you* are the one making religion matter, as people are all going "Luria is full of religious fanatics!". Nobody outside of Luria seems to really care about religion all that much, unless you really go out of your way to to annoy them. IC stances to religion have pretty much adopted typical modern stances of openness and tolerance.
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There's been a religious component to the current war ever since Morek decided to join the party. Let them declare a religious war, the more the merrier!
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How does Morek participating make it a religious war? It is completely possible for them to wage war without making it a holy war.
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There's been a religious component to the current war ever since Morek decided to join the party. Let them declare a religious war, the more the merrier!
A theocracy bringing a religious component to their actions, imagine that. Still that is a far cry from a religious war supported by all the SA puppet states of the league isn't it.
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How does Morek participating make it a religious war? It is completely possible for them to wage war without making it a holy war.
Sure, it could be possible for them to wage war without making it a holy war. But, Morek has claimed that the war is secular and at the same time argued that the presence of the bloodmoon cultists in Luria represents a threat justifying their war against Luria. in contrast to Morek, Astrum's involvement has been secular at least from my perspective.
A theocracy bringing a religious component to their actions, imagine that. Still that is a far cry from a religious war supported by all the SA puppet states of the league isn't it.
Heh, I'm not agreeing with Glaumring's assessment. I've never imagined SA to have much influence over D'Hara and Fissoa. Besides not liking Luria, the League nations don't seem to be able to agree on much.
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And with the thread sufficiently derailed...
If the current war ended, I've considered pausing my character and starting a new character to try out a different realm. But, I might end up taking a break from BM when my son is born in a few months.
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Nobody likes the Bloodmoon Cult.
Nobody likes your opinions either.
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Nobody likes your opinions either.
I like them, though I may not agree with them all.
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I like them, though I may not agree with them all.
I second this.
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There's been a religious component to the current war ever since Morek decided to join the party. Let them declare a religious war, the more the merrier!
Absurd. Morek's ruler offered to let the cultists in and to build their temples in her duchy.
SA is nothing but a big fluffy bunny. Nobody even mentionned the Cult before you guys started attacking SA temples just now, and the war's been going on for quite a while. What annoys the characters most is not the sacrilege of descecrating holy sites, but really the vandalism of undoing costly infrastructure.
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I was quite surprised when the attempt to close the SA temple occurred. All the same, I have been loving the interplay that resulted from it!
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Well the fact that we have ample nobles to run our religion, roleplay and mythos , plus temples and followers spread throughout Dwilight and have thrived for the last year or so says a lot about ' living under a rock' or 'nobody cares about CoB'. Seems like you guys are the ones out of the loop and unable to adapt. We've been quietly building and recruiting for our own enjoyment that comes from creating something uniquely our own and adds to the texture of Dwilight instead of just mindlessly following SA because 'omg its popular'. We don't care about what SA does , yet we enjoy and respect having it on Dwilight because without it Dwilights a dull place. What I can't figure out is why have such a provincial , insular , closeminded, redneck view of a fantasy game and its potential imaginative dynamics, why should the only reason we do something in Dwilight be because 'omg it'll be so popular it'll beat SA' .
Nevermind the fact that the Dev's destroyed our kingdom at the peak of its power and spread of its religion and forced us to migrate across Dwilight and introduce our religion in a total alien environment from which its rich lore and RP's were founded.
We have created something completely new to add to Dwilight, Chenier has taken a title 'the Dragon king' that has been on Dwilight for years and someone elses idea and recycled it, follows a religion thats been around for years and someone elses idea. Lives in a kingdom named after 'someone elses idea'.
Arent you guys capable of doing anything new or bringing new ideas to the table that is Dwilight?
Btw : Storms keep isnt even Moreks traditional lands, thats Thulsoma, the kingdom I founded when Springdale ran the area , years and years before SA was even in that area. If we want to close a temple in that area its because we have claim to that area. It isnt Moreks , it wont be for long.
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Well the fact that we have ample nobles to run our religion, roleplay and mythos , plus temples and followers spread throughout Dwilight and have thrived for the last year or so says a lot about ' living under a rock' or 'nobody cares about CoB'. Seems like you guys are the ones out of the loop and unable to adapt.
I said you seemed to live under a rock because of the loads of outdated or just plain untruthful information about other kingdoms you've spilled in our ears. We tried to convey to you what is actually happening but you just don't want to get out of your bubble.
Your posts basically consist of fighting strawmen and being a dick to other players.
Please abstain from this uncalled-for passive aggression, we just want to be your friends actually.
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Glaumring came to D'Hara, only to bitch about how we were religiously untolerant and persecute others...
We have nobles of many faiths, but I don't recall ever having a single noble of the Cult in D'Hara, for as long as the religion existed through game mechanics. Nobody even mentionned the faith in ages... and even when Glaumring came and got himself arrested by patrols, nobody gave a damn about his religion.
That guy, as always, lives in his own little world.
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Glaumring came to D'Hara, only to bitch about how we were religiously untolerant and persecute others...
We have nobles of many faiths, but I don't recall ever having a single noble of the Cult in D'Hara, for as long as the religion existed through game mechanics. Nobody even mentionned the faith in ages... and even when Glaumring came and got himself arrested by patrols, nobody gave a damn about his religion.
That guy, as always, lives in his own little world.
Ummm? Because the last time one of our priests went to D'Hara you executed them. Like seriously, the excuse for executing our priest was that 'they didnt respond' so you killed them, and then constant talk of eradicating the scourage of the bloodmoon fruit and not allowing priests to enter. Maybe if you let us set up a temple there someone from D'Hara would join... Wait a minute? The last D'Haran to join the Cult was Lady Jocelin LeDrake who actually had to leave D'Hara and join the cult as a priestess because of fear of religious persecution. So yeah, no one cares about CoB then why are you so afraid of it?
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I said you seemed to live under a rock because of the loads of outdated or just plain untruthful information about other kingdoms you've spilled in our ears. We tried to convey to you what is actually happening but you just don't want to get out of your bubble.
Your posts basically consist of fighting strawmen and being a dick to other players.
Please abstain from this uncalled-for passive aggression, we just want to be your friends actually.
If my information is so outdated perhaps I should join Morek and begin building temples in Xinhai and Caiyun because last I checked SA considers us an evil religion and has closed temples of ours in Corsanctum, and most recently in tried in Girich. Why was it ok to close our temple in Corsanctum but not for us in Storms end? Oh I know why because I was told that 'the old lands of Corsanctum are the traditional holy lands of SA etc etc, so the temple was closed' so basically its ok for you guys to say 'omg SA is so weak' when its just a wolf in sheeps clothing.im not being a dick or passive aggressive for pointing out the truth and refuting Cheniers bullspittle. Im defending my ingame faith from blatant lies and OOG slagging.
Even in the darkest days of the war of Kabrinskia we kept our SA temples and had SA kings running Asylon multiple times. So dont even try to pull the 'Glaumring just wants to destroy SA' i've been one of the major players in keeping SA going and interfaith dialogue since day one. We havent always agreed and i've fought hard to destroy the evil corrupt members in SA and if SA is a soft bunny rabbit today I can only pat myself and a few others on the back and say 'we won' we beat SA. Seriously, we even incorporate SA beliefs into our religion, we worship the bloodstars etc, the only thing we diverdge on is that we dont consider the prophet to be the last prophet or infallible. Im hardly the enemy of SA just because I attacked Kabrinskia, which 99% of SA spent whining about until it got attacked and then everyone went about face to rush to support it. Charlatans.
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Why was it ok to close our temple in Corsanctum but not for us in Storms end?
It's not supposed to be fair. It's supposed to be an opportunity for more war!
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It's not supposed to be fair. It's supposed to be an opportunity for more war!
Yup, so stop the complaining about the current war then. ;)
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Ummm? Because the last time one of our priests went to D'Hara you executed them. Like seriously, the excuse for executing our priest was that 'they didnt respond' so you killed them, and then constant talk of eradicating the scourage of the bloodmoon fruit and not allowing priests to enter. Maybe if you let us set up a temple there someone from D'Hara would join... Wait a minute? The last D'Haran to join the Cult was Lady Jocelin LeDrake who actually had to leave D'Hara and join the cult as a priestess because of fear of religious persecution. So yeah, no one cares about CoB then why are you so afraid of it?
Yea... right...
That had nothing to do with the fact that the priestess ASKED to be executed, right? Because D'Hara cracks down on religious activities every day and you regularly see executions... The only other priest execution I recall was a priestess of Verdis Elementum. And guess who ordered it? An elder of Verdis Elementum. If you start using local priests' efforts as a political tool against their realm, you won't get much sympathy from the church's local branch.
If Jocelyn left out of fear of persecution, it's because of the nonsense you put in his mind himself. D'Hara has never persecuted any religion. If people don't join it, it's not out of fear, it's because it lacks appeal.
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Yea... right...
That had nothing to do with the fact that the priestess ASKED to be executed, right? Because D'Hara cracks down on religious activities every day and you regularly see executions... The only other priest execution I recall was a priestess of Verdis Elementum. And guess who ordered it? An elder of Verdis Elementum. If you start using local priests' efforts as a political tool against their realm, you won't get much sympathy from the church's local branch.
If Jocelyn left out of fear of persecution, it's because of the nonsense you put in his mind himself. D'Hara has never persecuted any religion. If people don't join it, it's not out of fear, it's because it lacks appeal.
Here we go again. You are delusional and like to rewrite history on these forums to suit your IG narrative. You executed lady Ven, I dont care how it happened or what was said 'you executed a CoB priestess'. You have always had an Oog and IG hatred of cob because of whatever 'yucky' feeling you get about roleplay that doesnt fit Cheniers Rated-G version of BM. You slagged us on the forum and im
Here to back it up. If you dont like it dont slag off other peoples hard work like its a bit of piss in a pot. We arent playing for you.
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You have always had an Oog and IG hatred of cob because of whatever 'yucky' feeling you get about roleplay that doesnt fit Cheniers Rated-G version of BM.
Um...dude, whatever problems Chénier may have with the Cult of Bloodmoon, IC, OOC, or otherwise, I guarantee you none of them are because he thinks BM is or should be "rated G". This is the guy who founded the Blood Cult on BT, that literally had human sacrifice as part of its teachings. (How prominent that human sacrifice was has long been a point of contention between him and me, but that's another story ;D )
So I suggest you actually get a clue about who you're talking !@#$ about, lest you make yourself sound the fool.
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Um...dude, whatever problems Chénier may have with the Cult of Bloodmoon, IC, OOC, or otherwise, I guarantee you none of them are because he thinks BM is or should be "rated G". This is the guy who founded the Blood Cult on BT, that literally had human sacrifice as part of its teachings. (How prominent that human sacrifice was has long been a point of contention between him and me, but that's another story ;D )
So I suggest you actually get a clue about who you're talking !@#$ about, lest you make yourself sound the fool.
So, its not a 'yucky' feeling but one of mere 'jealousy'. Im
Cool with that.
I vaguely remember the bloodcult on BT. It was some sort of Aztec rip-off religion. No one cared about it there either. I was too busy worshiping The Daimon Arcane and building statues to our Daimonic god.
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So, its not a 'yucky' feeling but one of mere 'jealousy'. Im
Cool with that.
I vaguely remember the bloodcult on BT. It was some sort of Aztec rip-off religion. No one cared about it there either. I was too busy worshiping The Daimon Arcane and building statues to our Daimonic god.
Wow, this guy really is gold...
As always, finding any truth in your view of IG events is near impossible.
Always with an incredible mix of persecution and grandeur complex. I'm starting to remember now how many threads he participates in tends to get nuked by mods.
I don't give a damn, OOC, about your religion. Ven ASKED TO BE EXECUTED. We granted her wish. If that request was IC or OOC, I don't remember. It wasn't an act against your religion, it was granting a wish to a priest who was conducting hostile activities anyways. If you incite riots, doesn't matter if you are a priest of CoB, VE, or SA, you'll be beheaded. D'Hara's stance on religion is simple. Religions that can play along can be preached with the permission of local lords. Priests that break the peace get beheaded. It's not "rewritting history", you've been told this the moment it occured. Pretty sure you'll find many references to it on these forums if you look for it.
You really need to grasp that most players don't give a damn about you and your religion. We aren't trying to force you to play your characters differently, because we don't care for them at all. For god's sake, your character asked permission to come to Raviel to speak, and was given permission... then when you arrive all you do is whine about being persecuted.
(http://i.imgur.com/YfoAc.jpg)
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Wow, this guy really is gold...
As always, finding any truth in your view of IG events is near impossible.
Always with an incredible mix of persecution and grandeur complex. I'm starting to remember now how many threads he participates in tends to get nuked by mods.
I don't give a damn, OOC, about your religion. Ven ASKED TO BE EXECUTED. We granted her wish. If that request was IC or OOC, I don't remember. It wasn't an act against your religion, it was granting a wish to a priest who was conducting hostile activities anyways. If you incite riots, doesn't matter if you are a priest of CoB, VE, or SA, you'll be beheaded. D'Hara's stance on religion is simple. Religions that can play along can be preached with the permission of local lords. Priests that break the peace get beheaded. It's not "rewritting history", you've been told this the moment it occured. Pretty sure you'll find many references to it on these forums if you look for it.
You really need to grasp that most players don't give a damn about you and your religion. We aren't trying to force you to play your characters differently, because we don't care for them at all. For god's sake, your character asked permission to come to Raviel to speak, and was given permission... then when you arrive all you do is whine about being persecuted.
(http://i.imgur.com/YfoAc.jpg)
Persecuted? My guy was thrown into jail. Its called roleplay. Something you can't figure out judging from how you act on the forums and IG. I dont care how you killed Priestess Ven , you dolt... I just said it, IG roleplay says you murdered her no matter how you want to twist it. Persecution complex? Delusions of grandeur, you are so quick to insult because its you who feels those things. You slag us on the forums and I step up to defend it, you can't keep your mouth shut. And when you are called out on it you go ape and try to turn it around on me. Seriously? Do you have reading comprehension difficulties? CoB means everything to you. Maybe you should start taking more care and consideratiom towards other peoples roleplays and ideas and start acting like the game its always been instead of a forum bully and slagging off other peoples hardwork.
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Ven ASKED TO BE EXECUTED. We granted her wish. If that request was IC or OOC, I don't remember. It wasn't an act against your religion, it was granting a wish to a priest who was conducting hostile activities anyways.
Whether the request was IC or OOC, it remains legitimate for surviving members of the religion to see it as a hostile act. Again, and I repeat myself, it doesn't matter whether that characterization is fair. It makes IC sense, that's all that counts.
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Whether the request was IC or OOC, it remains legitimate for surviving members of the religion to see it as a hostile act. Again, and I repeat myself, it doesn't matter whether that characterization is fair. It makes IC sense, that's all that counts.
Amen.
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Blood_Cult
Check out the Bloodcult page, no wonder Chenier is so angry and jealous. Its like he thinks he somehow has trademark on the words 'blood' and 'cult'. In his little tiny head it pisses him off that somehow else would or could use some of the same words. No wonder it annoys him so much and hates it and constantly puts it down. He thinks Cult of Bloodmoon is stolen from 'Bloodcult' like we read over his page and stole his ideas. Hilarious, if you really must know 'bloodmoon' comes from an old story I read in Heavy Metal magazine and the entire concept of bloodmoon comes from my own experience from liviing in Taiwan and chewing betel nut like a fiend. Sorry Chenier similiar ideas totally different evolution, it wasnt meant to be the most original idea ever created. It evolved over time with roleplay and IG history. Hate to break your heart.
Read this comic its the best and totally forms like 80% of how I envision Dwilight:
http://m.ebay.ca/itm/390533029210?_mwBanner=1
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Whether the request was IC or OOC, it remains legitimate for surviving members of the religion to see it as a hostile act. Again, and I repeat myself, it doesn't matter whether that characterization is fair. It makes IC sense, that's all that counts.
Which would be applicable if Glaumring was himself a member of this fictional religion whose priest was executed. Just something people should remember.
Also: holy crap Glaumring, you need to seriously chill out. Also also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayahuasca
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Which would be applicable if Glaumring was himself a member of this fictional religion whose priest was executed. Just something people should remember.
Also: holy crap Glaumring, you need to seriously chill out. Also also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayahuasca
If I need to chill out perhaps Chenier should back off first.
Regarding Cheniers persecution memes etc: the other day I decided I was going to sail to D'Hara and get executed to stir up some rp or end my character so I could move onto something else. Anyways, half way there I decide 'naw, i'll just go to see if I can get priests allowed there and open up communications etc and ramp down hostilities etc etc' so anyways we have a little bit of talks Chenier and I and then when I land in Port Raviel my character is arrested, so Oog I know its game mechanics and perhaps Chenier and I would have had some fun banter etc, maybe kiss and make-up etc , who knows it could have been nice, but... My character doesnt know that stuff so he lands in D'Hara and gets arrested... Well holy crap! Im arrested in the place our last priestess was murdered and whether it was a mistake or a lone wolf guard, who knows but Glaumring is freaked! He think this truly is it and he decides ' hell no I am not as brave as lady Ven... Im escaping' so being the hero I am I escaped and went back to Luria and started crying about persecution. Now Chenier being the awesome roleplayer he is can't seprate IG from OOG and takes it as a personal slight, slags CoB on the forums never realizing that maybe some players just role-roll will with punches and build their characters using IG events. So thats why Chenier is all huffy about CoB because I was whipping up a frenzy IG about my treatment and almost tortured or killed in D'Hara.
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No, you should really chill out. Consider that some friendly advice.
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No, you should really chill out. Consider that some friendly advice.
You having trouble seeing Chenier take a shallacking for being an arse?
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Oh, he's not the one who's being an arse. Just quit while you're still ahead.
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Whether the request was IC or OOC, it remains legitimate for surviving members of the religion to see it as a hostile act. Again, and I repeat myself, it doesn't matter whether that characterization is fair. It makes IC sense, that's all that counts.
Until Glaumring comes on the forums to whine OOC about how oppressive everyone else is.
Utter nonesense
I couldn't care less about how you named your religion. And as I already stated multiple times, I couldn't care less about your religion. I don't give a single damn about it, just as I never cared about the dozen or so other small religions that spawned on Dwi. You could have reused the exact same name as I had, and I wouldn't have cared. Why should I have?
I don't have any issues about The Bloodmoon fruit cult. The only thing I have an issue with is you, as a player. Ven got executed? Sure, whine about it IC all you want. But give us a break on the forums, that's what she wanted. Your character got arrested in D'Hara? Give us a break. That was auto-patrols. You know. And your character would to, even if obviously you choose to RP persecution.
It sure is easy saying a realm is evil when people just keep throwing themselves at it, litterally wanting to die, ain't it?
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Until Glaumring comes on the forums to whine OOC about how oppressive everyone else is.
I couldn't care less about how you named your religion. And as I already stated multiple times, I couldn't care less about your religion. I don't give a single damn about it, just as I never cared about the dozen or so other small religions that spawned on Dwi. You could have reused the exact same name as I had, and I wouldn't have cared. Why should I have?
I don't have any issues about The Bloodmoon fruit cult. The only thing I have an issue with is you, as a player. Ven got executed? Sure, whine about it IC all you want. But give us a break on the forums, that's what she wanted. Your character got arrested in D'Hara? Give us a break. That was auto-patrols. You know. And your character would to, even if obviously you choose to RP persecution.
It sure is easy saying a realm is evil when people just keep throwing themselves at it, litterally wanting to die, ain't it?
Wow, both of you are being !@#$%^&s. You and Glaumring really should stop. Neither of you are contributing anything of worth to this conversation, only vitriol over who can't RP correctly. As if the concept of there being a single correct way to roleplay was a viable thought in the first place.
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Oh sheesh...
This is why we can't have nice things.