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Title: Is this the next big war?
Post by: dustole on February 04, 2015, 04:37:16 PM
I wasn't quite ready to secede but it was forced on me.  Will the grand Duchy the Dragon be able to survive?  Or will this be the beginning of the end for Arcaea?
Title: Re: Is this the next big war?
Post by: Indirik on February 04, 2015, 08:44:54 PM
Depends on how many real supporters you have. If you only have 8 or 9 real supporters, the it will be "hello mister bug, I'd like to introduce you to this neat invention i like to call a windshield".
Title: Re: Is this the next big war?
Post by: Sacha on February 04, 2015, 09:34:12 PM
Or, more concisely worded: Ant, meet boot.
Title: Re: Is this the next big war?
Post by: Indirik on February 04, 2015, 10:30:52 PM
Mine sounds better.
Title: Re: Is this the next big war?
Post by: GundamMerc on February 05, 2015, 12:03:30 AM
Mine sounds better.

Nope. :3
Title: Re: Is this the next big war?
Post by: dustole on February 05, 2015, 01:11:08 AM
I think I have enough supporters in. And out of Arcaea to win a war if it came to that.  My Duchy represented 1/3 of Arcaea's mobile army. 
Title: Re: Is this the next big war?
Post by: Eirikr on February 06, 2015, 03:30:21 AM
Mine sounds better.

Sorry, Sacha's got my vote too. :/

In other news, wow, I don't think I've EVER used the ban button so much as I have with Orado...
Title: Re: Is this the next big war?
Post by: dustole on February 06, 2015, 05:32:52 PM
All the bans are creating tension.  Good for gameplay but maybe bad for Arcaea in the end.
Title: Re: Is this the next big war?
Post by: Kainaq on February 06, 2015, 07:12:24 PM
for those of us keeping count with regards to who got banned in Arcaea in the last few months we have.....

an infiltrator who tried to to team kill, a religious zealot and a duke who overplayed his hand

but you know i really am gonna miss Martin, Arcaea hasn't been the same without everyones favorite Sartan :p

As for the next big war.... i dont think it would happen.  I can only really see two possible outcomes, one path would lead to a forgotten concept that has not happened on FEI for years, the other would see FEI become dull..... sadly i believe were significantly closer to the dull path at this point.
Title: Re: Is this the next big war?
Post by: Antonine on February 07, 2015, 12:04:29 AM
but you know i really am gonna miss Martin, Arcaea hasn't been the same without everyones favorite Sartan :p

I like to have characters who make the game interesting. Sadly this leads to them getting banned a lot :p
Title: Re: Is this the next big war?
Post by: Eirikr on February 07, 2015, 07:03:53 PM
All the bans are creating tension.  Good for gameplay but maybe bad for Arcaea in the end.

No kidding! I still wish there were some middle option between fines and banishment... As I've discussed elsewhere, fines are generally roleplayed as being serious, but functionally, you could just go request funds from the General after you pay it. Say it's for the war effort. It's really just a slap on the wrist.

Bans, on the other hand, are just plain absolute.
Title: Re: Is this the next big war?
Post by: De-Legro on February 08, 2015, 09:31:06 PM
No kidding! I still wish there were some middle option between fines and banishment... As I've discussed elsewhere, fines are generally roleplayed as being serious, but functionally, you could just go request funds from the General after you pay it. Say it's for the war effort. It's really just a slap on the wrist.

Bans, on the other hand, are just plain absolute.

To me this demonstrates two core problems
Title: Re: Is this the next big war?
Post by: Eirikr on February 08, 2015, 09:36:47 PM
To me this demonstrates two core problems
  • Our Characters feel no shame at admitting their financial short comings. To me this is wrong, nobles were renown for hiding their debt, for living beyond their means to keep up appearances among their peers. Yet the main use for the realm channel is to beg for funds.
  • Our Character in general feel no shame at being embarrassed before our peers by being reprimanded in any form. It should be less what the MECHANICAL effect of the fine is, and more the fact that you got fined at all that should be the disincentive for our characters.

I hadn't thought about it like this... I did say that people tend to roleplay fines as being serious, so I don't think #2 is too much of an issue. Though it usually comes out as indigence rather than embarrassment.
Title: Re: Is this the next big war?
Post by: Constantine on February 18, 2015, 07:02:55 AM
Our Characters feel no shame at admitting their financial short comings. To me this is wrong, nobles were renown for hiding their debt, for living beyond their means to keep up appearances among their peers. Yet the main use for the realm channel is to beg for funds.
On the other hand, financial support in exchange for service was the core concept of vassal oath. If a suzerain failed to provide his knight with promised commodities he technically failed to hold his end of the deal and the knight was free to go.
Our Character in general feel no shame at being embarrassed before our peers by being reprimanded in any form. It should be less what the MECHANICAL effect of the fine is, and more the fact that you got fined at all that should be the disincentive for our characters.
Good point.
Maybe fines should entail a prestige hit too.
Title: Re: Is this the next big war?
Post by: dustole on February 18, 2015, 09:09:11 AM
Arcaea seems to be doing some fence sitting right now.   They aren't helping their ally OW.   They won't sign peace with the Grand Duchy which is keeping the Grand Duchy and Zonasa out of the war.   Seems they are really screwing  things up.   One would hope they would [email protected]#$ or get off the pot...
Title: Re: Is this the next big war?
Post by: Zakilevo on February 18, 2015, 09:26:55 AM
It is good to see Arcaea fall apart. LET VELAX'S LEGACY BURN IN HELL MEUAHAHA
Title: Re: Is this the next big war?
Post by: De-Legro on February 18, 2015, 11:05:34 AM
On the other hand, financial support in exchange for service was the core concept of vassal oath. If a suzerain failed to provide his knight with promised commodities he technically failed to hold his end of the deal and the knight was free to go.Good point.
Maybe fines should entail a prestige hit too.

There is a massive difference between a stipend from a liege, and begging in front of the entire realm for gold. Lets call a spade a spade, it is completely foreign to the atmosphere the game purports to follow, we do it because it is efficient and if we do not those realms that do will have a competitive advantage. The game already simulated the first, in that the liege grants land (ie financial income) in return for tax.
Title: Re: Is this the next big war?
Post by: Indirik on February 18, 2015, 03:28:24 PM
What's the matter, dustole, bummed that you can't join in the dogpile?
Title: Re: Is this the next big war?
Post by: dustole on February 18, 2015, 03:44:20 PM
I need to do something.  It's the only dance in town.  Gotta get in a song or two before it's over.  It seems I'm gonna get a new neighbor realm.  Gotta stick my nose in and see what's up.
Title: Re: Is this the next big war?
Post by: Kainaq on February 18, 2015, 04:56:29 PM
Wait.... Let me get this straight....  Zonasa and GD are sitting twiddling their thumbs because they are waiting for Arcaea to sign a peace treaty which has already been signed....

As for fence sitting....  That really isn't accurate, im genuinely surprised that it isn't obvious what Arcaea has been doing.
Title: Re: Is this the next big war?
Post by: Anaris on February 18, 2015, 05:48:04 PM
Wait.... Let me get this straight....  Zonasa and GD are sitting twiddling their thumbs because they are waiting for Arcaea to sign a peace treaty which has already been signed....

As for fence sitting....  That really isn't accurate, im genuinely surprised that it isn't obvious what Arcaea has been doing.

It isn't obvious because, at least from where Baranion sits, no one's been communicating. At all. After Claudio seceded, the only way I could get actual information was through Claudio. My other contacts, including Dawn, either literally wrote no messages or wrote messages saying basically, "Things are still not settled in here. Let me get back to you."

Until just about an hour ago, when Dawn finally publicly stated what Arcaea would be doing.

I'm not sure how you think anything was supposed to be obvious.
Title: Re: Is this the next big war?
Post by: Kainaq on February 18, 2015, 06:28:19 PM
When a succession happens it causes a large amount of turmoil within the realm.  This resulted in Arcaea losing a city due to it going rogue, and having several others close to following suit.  The last two weeks have been spent effectively repairing that damage - something as significant as a region changing hands is broad casted to the entire continent.

Anyone who has played this game for any length of time would know this happens..... thats why i said its obvious....

I cant really respond to the rest of your message Anaris as i believe OOC and IC events should be kept separated from the forums but i will try to do a brief summary.  The former King of Sorraine was inactive (or at the very least wasn't responding to his mail) - This would inevitably lead to a slow down of letters from other rulers. 
Title: Re: Is this the next big war?
Post by: Indirik on February 18, 2015, 06:39:56 PM
Fergus was having problems keeping up with things, which is why he stepped down. It will take a bit for things to get settled out.
Title: Re: Is this the next big war?
Post by: Eirikr on February 19, 2015, 06:06:19 AM
Arcaea seems to be doing some fence sitting right now.   They aren't helping their ally OW.   They won't sign peace with the Grand Duchy which is keeping the Grand Duchy and Zonasa out of the war.   Seems they are really screwing  things up.   One would hope they would [email protected]#$ or get off the pot...

I thought peace was signed, just not an alliance.
Title: Re: Is this the next big war?
Post by: dustole on February 19, 2015, 06:47:00 AM
Arcaea declined peace at first and kept our relations at neutral.  It wasn't until just recently that Arcaea and the Grand Duchy signed a peace treaty.