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BattleMaster => Locals => Atamara => Topic started by: GundamMerc on August 15, 2015, 02:13:22 PM
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I know we've had this happen once before on this island to get things moving I certainly wouldn't mind it happening again for all the realm leaders who have been in power for over 60 days. The current leaders with the exception of one or two are too conservative for any kind of lasting break from the stagnation that the island currently is in.
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Not gonna happen from me.
You want lightning bolts, you gotta bug Tom.
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There are at least 6 realms on AT at war. True, they're not the best wars in the world. And diplomacy is pretty screwy. But still, there's war. We are nowhere near what we were at back on EC when bolts were flying.
Also, there were other extenuating OOC circumstances back then that contributed to the actions taken.
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Not gonna happen from me.
You want lightning bolts, you gotta bug Tom.
If I ever use plox in a title, that means I'm not completely serious, and in this case, mostly venting about the situation.
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I just want mongols.
I am completely serious.
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Hordes!
You know, like the invasions of good old Beluaterra.
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Yeah I'm quite tempted to send my char over to BT, though I'd like to see if I can win a tournament.
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I thought we were on the verge of a religious war in the North, but people seem oddly happy with the current status quo where nothing is really happening.
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I thought we were on the verge of a religious war in the North, but people seem oddly happy with the current status quo where nothing is really happening.
That is because for the most part you have Old Guard controlling the most powerful nations. What I wouldn't give for Darka to split off from Talerium.
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I honestly have zero idea what goes on in other nations, and I'm not sure how to fix that... hell I can barely remember half the people in my own nations ;_;
You can forget about me knowing anything about the religions. Nobody hardly ever does anything in them. Which is kind of disappointing but I am as much at fault as anyone else is.
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There are at least 6 realms on AT at war.
There are 4 realms at war. Only two doing actual fighting.
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Did the northern war end already?
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No, it hasn't really started. Naturally, it's a little complicated.
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Of course there are Tara and Strombran who are beyond despicable trying to have their cake and eat it too. This cowardly behaviour is worse than Talerium's and ML's make-believe war because it will eventually stiffle the only legit conflict on the continent and we'll be back to status quo.
No idea what makes Indirik so optimistic.
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Talerium's and ML's make-believe war
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/75/57/9c/75579c02e29a2e521c3cb29da6f9489e.jpg)
Let's go to the War of Make Believe, shall we?
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Of course there are Tara and Strombran who are beyond despicable trying to have their cake and eat it too. This cowardly behaviour is worse than Talerium's and ML's make-believe war because it will eventually stiffle the only legit conflict on the continent and we'll be back to status quo.
Yeah, that really bothers my character. He's never been happy with the behavior of either of those two, in regards to the war. Tara is using their federation as carte blanche to do whatever the hell they want, knowing that no one dares step out of line. And Strombran is too scared to step out of line, because they know what will happen.
No idea what makes Indirik so optimistic.
I'm not so much optimistic as not so pessimistic. The situation on AT right now is nowhere near as bad as it was on EC back in... 2007(?) when Tom bolted about a half dozen rulers for conspired to keep the island from going back to war. There is a war going on, and it's serious for Suville and Caergoth, though it's a fake one for Strombran and Tara. I thought that there was still war in the north between ML and Talerium, with Rieleston trying to placate both sides, or something. TBH, I just didn't really care enough to figure it out. Not in my backyard, and all that.
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I thought that there was still war in the north between ML and Talerium, with Rieleston trying to placate both sides, or something. TBH, I just didn't really care enough to figure it out. Not in my backyard, and all that.
There were some hits on ML, but it was painfully slow to do because of having to travel around Rieleston... which makes it look like no war exists. Now we've got Escent to thank for getting something rolling, but it needs to play out yet.
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Too many !@#$ers trying to play logical characters. What kind of fun is that? Oh, the best thing is characters saying "don't be hasty" and "random comment about how the past was this, so any change is wrong". I'm getting !@#$ing fed up with people who are perfectly happy to watch the entire continent just die off from inactivity. Honestly, if you can't think up a reason for your character to do something to rock the !@#$ing boat, then you are thinking too narrowly with your character.
I mean, we've had our own nobles attacked by infiltrators and there's no outcry. I'm sorry, but CE has some of the most boring characters I've ever had the misfortune to roleplay with. I wouldn't wish it on even the worst powergamer to plague a Pathfinder group. Half of the realm are a bunch of white knights in shining armor whinging on about their "honor" and "history", a quarter is too scared of what might happen to them, and the remaining quarter is getting fed up IC and OOC that every single !@#$ing chance there is of us getting involved in something, ANYTHING, it gets shot down as too "risky".
I mean seriously, are we trying to bore players into quitting? Is that what we're trying to do? Because it certainly seems to be working, as I see a constant stream of characters fleeing to other continents or players just plain deleting their character. We have at least one region that's gone without a lord for at least three election cycles, not because there aren't any nobles to take the spot, but because all the knights are so apathetic towards the situation that they've probably lost all motivation to even do anything.
Rant over, please comment in whatever way you see fit.
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Go join a realm actively doing something or about to do something?
I don't think anything's going to happen to CE until someone actually decides it's a good idea to attack them and can actually back it up.
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Go join a realm actively doing something or about to do something?
I don't think anything's going to happen to CE until someone actually decides it's a good idea to attack them and can actually back it up.
Half the continent attacked them and it didn't work. At this point it has to be an internal change.
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If you're really that unhappy then why are you still there? There are realms in northern Dwilight that desperately need knights and are trying to keep things interesting in the limited space they have.
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If you're really that unhappy then why are you still there? There are realms in northern Dwilight that desperately need knights and are trying to keep things interesting in the limited space they have.
I'm the General of Helyg Derwyddon, I assure you that I'm perfectly aware of the situation. The reason I don't give up on CE is because Atamara has so much more potential than other continents. The issue is the consolidation of power in the center. If you take out that one thing, then suddenly most of the continent becomes a place where war is fluid and more than likely fast-paced. I honestly feel that the politics of Atamara are like two continental plates pushing against each other. For a long time they'll be stuck in place by friction and will be very, very hard to move. But eventually something will give and the results will be cataclysmic.
Oh, and CE just removed our Alliance with Talerium. >.> So something is happening.
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Nothing is going to happen. I'm pretty sure people only voted for that because "oh hey maybe we will go to war now!", but I'm pretty sure nothing will happen.
We're certainly not about to go to war with them anytime soon.
EDIT: Hang on, have you even ever had a character on Atamara? Though I totally understand wishing Atamara would have a bunch of big wars go on before sending a character there.
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Nothing is going to happen. I'm pretty sure people only voted for that because "oh hey maybe we will go to war now!", but I'm pretty sure nothing will happen.
We're certainly not about to go to war with them anytime soon.
EDIT: Hang on, have you even ever had a character on Atamara? Though I totally understand wishing Atamara would have a bunch of big wars go on before sending a character there.
Yes, yes I have. This account I use isn't my first. I was around when Darkans were still neutral mercenaries, and Falasan was a on its way to destruction. Norland and the Barony of Makar were still doing their weird viking shenanigans.
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Atamara will change when the players in CE get so bored they leave, leaving CE a powerless shell. Then someone will finally realize they didn't have to walk the straight and narrow anymore. Until that happens you will continue to get crap like Tara and Strombran.
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Atamara will change when the players in CE get so bored they leave, leaving CE a powerless shell. Then someone will finally realize they didn't have to walk the straight and narrow anymore. Until that happens you will continue to get crap like Tara and Strombran.
Or if Tara and Strombran get so fed up with each other's bull!@#$ that the federation actually breaks. The only reason CE holds this much power, is because Tara hasn't broken with them yet.
Btw, for whoever made that comment on the southern war not being real. I can assure you it's very real for Caergoth and we're doing everything in our power to keep the battles coming, although our tactical decisions (attacking with a similar or smaller force) are not always advised. Nothing worse than going back to sitting still.
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Re: the federation: i maintain my original assertion. Any more detail would be putting too much current ic info on the forums.
As for the southern war, it is indeed real for Suville and Ceargoth.
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Things are getting interesting. FINALLY. Thanks for all the help CE senate, you've been soooo productive. :3
This basically goes along with my feelings irl, that if you want to keep the status quo, the best system is a democracy/republic, as change hardly ever happens in one. If you want change, an Autocracy is in order.
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Republics have long been known to generate some very strong personality cults in this game. And as you have suggested, this leads to stability and stagnation. However, monarchies can do the same. It's not really the government, it's the players.
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Republics have long been known to generate some very strong personality cults in this game. And as you have suggested, this leads to stability and stagnation. However, monarchies can do the same. It's not really the government, it's the players.
The difference is that CE is a true republic, while most other Republics in battlemaster are basically elected Monarchs. There isn't a personality cult going on in CE. Heck, our PM isn't happy with the Federation we have, but doesn't see an IC honorable way to change it without going against the Senate.
It's the Senate that is blocking all legislation, and by that I mostly mean older players who have been with the League for a long time. I mean, literally right now, Tara is having a vote on whether to stay in the Federation, and our own Senate, which has indeed heard these reports, is burying their heads in the !@#$ing sand.
"Oh you're just trying to declare war, blah blah blah" You just got told by our own PM, and have a letter from the ruler of Strombran, that Tara is having this vote. The very fact that the vote is going on should be a gigantic red flag that there is something wrong with Tara's relationship with the League. *sighs* I'm frankly flabbergasted.
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The very fact that the vote is going on should be a gigantic red flag that there is something wrong with Tara's relationship with the League.
Or, you know, that Federations are frustrating as hell. (I mean it can be both.)
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What do you want the senateto do about it? Break the alliance and attack them to force them to... keep the alliance?
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What do you want the senateto do about it? Break the alliance and attack them to force them to... keep the alliance?
Attack Talerium for not punishing their infiltrators, attack Tara for various things they've done in the Caergoth/Suville War and for threatening to break the Federation in the first place, defend Strombran from Tara.
I mean, pick a reason, doesn't have to match reality, and run with it. But nope, all of the nobles in CE are apparently uber smart white knight clones.
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Attack Talerium for not punishing their infiltrators, attack Tara for various things they've done in the Caergoth/Suville War and for threatening to break the Federation in the first place, defend Strombran from Tara.
I mean, pick a reason, doesn't have to match reality, and run with it. But nope, all of the nobles in CE are apparently uber smart white knight clones.
Tara and Strombran have done the exact same things during the Caergoth/Suville war. Both sides continue to complain, but very little is done about it. For your reasoning, CE could just as easily attack Strombran as Tara is an older ally than Strombran. Funny thing is, the federation is weird. There is no love between Tara and Strombran at all, but still enough fear for CE so it seems.
In the meantime, the Riverholm change should normally mean that the south goes back to peace again, because Caergoth can't break their alliance with Tara, as it means suicide, how fun!
Also if your Senate blocks all initiatives, one can still secceed as I did in Sirion.
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"because Caergoth can't break their alliance with Tara, as it means suicide, how fun!"
Welcome to the freakin' club. That's the way Suville has felt since you started the war with Tara's help. We either stand there looking like chumps while Tara loots us to death, or break our alliance with Strombran in order to declare war on Tara to stop the looting, and end up getting wiped out for it by the entire federation who is sitting around bored waiting for the next red shirt to stand up and poke the bear.
This stupid political deadlock is the whole reason Suville offered the original 1-v-1 war you refused. This is exactly where we saw things going: Totally f'ed up by federation diplomacy.
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It was either that, or no war at all because the militia from both sides (yes we did/do it also) makes it almost impossible to fight a normal war, as well as sieging a City solo is still impossible in this scenario. It was my hope that this war would break up the federation and at least have Tara and Strombran temporarily. At least something is happening, depending on what the Taran nobility decides.
The reason we refused the 1-1 war, was that we had tried it before and ended in a staring match between Worav and Wynford, which just bore people to death. We wanted to try something different. Different...it sure is different, but the coming time will tell what'll happen I guess. So far the change seems to have to come from outside of CE.
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Tara and Strombran have done the exact same things during the Caergoth/Suville war. Both sides continue to complain, but very little is done about it. For your reasoning, CE could just as easily attack Strombran as Tara is an older ally than Strombran. Funny thing is, the federation is weird. There is no love between Tara and Strombran at all, but still enough fear for CE so it seems.
In the meantime, the Riverholm change should normally mean that the south goes back to peace again, because Caergoth can't break their alliance with Tara, as it means suicide, how fun!
Also if your Senate blocks all initiatives, one can still secceed as I did in Sirion.
Nearly all the dukes are Traditionalists, if one person secedes the rest will beat that duchy back into submission.
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Nearly all the dukes are Traditionalists, if one person secedes the rest will beat that duchy back into submission.
So, let them try. All Dukes should have enough funds to hold out for quite a while. Level 5 walls and a bunch of militia, with maybe a few knights who like the idea and it will be difficult to break the city into submission. Especially if it is one of the somewhat richer cities, of which CE has quite a few. It's better than doing nothing for years on end I'd say.
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So, let them try. All Dukes should have enough funds to hold out for quite a while. Level 5 walls and a bunch of militia, with maybe a few knights who like the idea and it will be difficult to break the city into submission. Especially if it is one of the somewhat richer cities, of which CE has quite a few. It's better than doing nothing for years on end I'd say.
The issue with this if that happens, all opposition to the traditional elements dies off. CE becomes not just a stagnant force, but a force for stagnancy.
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The issue with this if that happens, all opposition to the traditional elements dies off. CE becomes not just a stagnant force, but a force for stagnancy.
But a far weaker version of itself, with enough outside forces then to change things. One thing you know for sure, if you do nothing, nothing changes.
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But a far weaker version of itself, with enough outside forces then to change things. One thing you know for sure, if you do nothing, nothing changes.
Wow, amazing insight there. It's almost as if someone is stating the obvious.
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Attack Talerium for not punishing their infiltrators, attack Tara for various things they've done in the Caergoth/Suville War and for threatening to break the Federation in the first place, defend Strombran from Tara.
I mean, pick a reason, doesn't have to match reality, and run with it. But nope, all of the nobles in CE are apparently uber smart white knight clones.
I don't think anyone in CE really cares about Caergoth or Suville. Attacking Talerium for infiltrator attacks we don't know anything about seems a bit silly.
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I don't think anyone in CE really cares about Caergoth or Suville. Attacking Talerium for infiltrator attacks we don't know anything about seems a bit silly.
We know who committed at least two of them and that they were both Talerium infiltrators. We also know that those nobles are still a part of Talerium.
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I thought you didn't have any character in CE?
Also our Judge became our PM and our PM became our Judge. Some good discussion was had though so hopefully war will happen soon.
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Wow, amazing insight there. It's almost as if someone is stating the obvious.
Yet if it is this obvious, why does nothing happen still?
Well we'll see if something changes, in the meantime we'll do our part.
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No one ever hold Talerium responsible for infiltrators. The entire island knows the they harbor infiltrators that do whatever they want, wherever they want.
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Yet if it is this obvious, why does nothing happen still?
Well we'll see if something changes, in the meantime we'll do our part.
Because people seem to be masochists on Atamara. They WANT to be bored to death.
Even Tara seems to be afraid to commit and just rely on their alliance with Talerium. I mean, this is the perfect !@#$ing moment Tara! Talerium is highly suspicious of CE, and very likely to support Tara against them given the chance.
But nope, constant disappointment in the players of this island seems to be my lot in life.
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Tara loves CE apparently, they had a landslide victory to vote for keeping their federation with them ^_^
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Tara loves CE apparently, they had a landslide victory to vote for keeping their federation with them ^_^
Not exactly good news.
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*yawn*
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*yawn*
Then it's up to us :)
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We're holding a referendum on where to have our next tai dai shirt making event.
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We're holding a referendum on where to have our next tai dai shirt making event.
It's a false choice, the only choice we have is to abstain, as both the Yes and the No votes amount to the same thing.
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Tai dai?
Or do you mean tie dye?
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I swear my original googling turned up a wikipedia article named Tai Dai. I blame a lack of sleep and proper food.
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*Checks back in*
*Sees nothing has changed except his realm was destroyed*
*Leaves again*
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I just want mongols.
I am completely serious.
Be careful what you wish for.
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I know exactly what I am wishing for :p
Also CE has gone to war with Minos Leon! Reason: Boredom. At least we're honest?
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I know exactly what I am wishing for :p
Also CE has gone to war with Minos Leon! Reason: Boredom. At least we're honest?
Yeah, exactly why I paused my character. I'm not going to be a part of that !@#$.
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*yawn*
Seriously, this is about the least interesting thing that could have happened.
While the choice of target is as boring and predictable as could be expected for AT, Jean Luc's war declaration message was the perfect mixture of humility and arrogance.
I almost paused my character after I read the war declaration. I think the island is a list cause. However, I decided to try and salvage a little bit if fun out if it before I go.
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*yawn*
Seriously, this is about the least interesting thing that could have happened.
While the choice of target is as boring and predictable as could be expected for AT, Jean Luc's war declaration message was the perfect mixture of humility and arrogance.
I almost paused my character after I read the war declaration. I think the island is a list cause. However, I decided to try and salvage a little bit if fun out if it before I go.
You got your i's and o's mixed up there. :p
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I just wiped and reinstalled a new os on my phone. (CM 12.1) Not used to this keyboard yet. :p
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I didn't really like it either.
Yeah, exactly why I paused my character. I'm not going to be a part of that !@#$.
Hey you wanted a war. We got a war.
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I didn't really like it either.
Hey you wanted a war. We got a war.
That's not a war. That's a gang-bang of the typical Atamara style and I won't be a part of the very !@#$ I was trying to prevent.
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I actually have a bit more faith for the continent now, with CE's war declaration but it'll depend on a lot of things. I'll just let AT prove me wrong the next 6 months I guess.
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If you can declare war for OOC reasons, you can break alliances for OOC reasons.
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I actually have a bit more faith for the continent now, with CE's war declaration but it'll depend on a lot of things. I'll just let AT prove me wrong the next 6 months I guess.
Again, this is not a war declaration, it's basically a bitch slap in the face of anyone who would dare to play a realm besides Talerium, CE or Tara. Seriously, !@#$ that continent.
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Again, this is not a war declaration, it's basically a bitch slap in the face of anyone who would dare to play a realm besides Talerium, CE or Tara. Seriously, !@#$ that continent.
Or you could see it as a possibility to finally destroy CE, just whatever the way you see it I guess.
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Or you could see it as a possibility to finally destroy CE, just whatever the way you see it I guess.
Given Atamara's history over the past 10 years or so, do you really believe that?
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Or you could see it as a possibility to finally destroy CE, just whatever the way you see it I guess.
Half the continent allied together couldn't do it. What makes you think two tiny realms that barely equal Talerium on a good day, let along both CE and Talerium, could possibly pose a threat from half-way across the continent.
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I actually do, but time may prove me wrong. But rather than complaining about it, I'll try to make it happen at all cost.
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There were some hits on ML, but it was painfully slow to do because of having to travel around Rieleston... which makes it look like no war exists. Now we've got Escent to thank for getting something rolling, but it needs to play out yet.
Well, I did as much as I could to stir the pot with Escent and get the wheels turning again. Sadly, it turns out that it's all for naught and I'll be honest, I'm pretty well ticked off that Atamara is getting destroyed. The last time I was this annoyed was when infiltrators started showing up in regions without needing a scout report.Oh well. I've been playing almost every day for 10 years so I suppose I'll let it go eventually.
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What someone said above about republics versus kingships and the like.
Tara is a Tyranny. Basically the Tyrant can do anything he wants. Within reason.
And when I broke with the federation in the end, there were no protests. Strombran's actions against Caergoth made that easy in the end. There was a lot of "if they want to betray the federation let them break first" thoughts going on. In the end though, because Strombran and CE shared so many characters I knew they just were never going to do that.
The politics of the federation were interesting. Tara and Cagil were the longest and oldest allies and had fought as brothers forever. But there were very few players that had characters in both realms. So even though they were brother realms, they didn't SHARE a lot in common. Strombran was formed by Cagil and many of those in power in each realm had characters in the other realm. Cagil and Strombran were very much two sides of the same coin. One giant two-nation realm if you will.
Strombran could do ANYTHING and Cagil would never break federation with them. And if Tara broke federation we would be destroyed by both of them. A year ago, when I first became Tyrant, our only allies were Talerium and Caergoth. Not counting the Federation. Cagil and Strombran were allied with everybody else. If I had stood up to them at that time, Tara would have been destroyed. Period. End of Line.
So instead I started a year long effort to chip away at the alliances supporting Cagil and Strombran. I put pressure on them. I talked to other rulers. I put pressure on them. Just a little bit. Never too much. And as the months went by, Cagil was so secure in their position that they let them all go. And Tara tested our armies against Minas Leon and then Suville. We taught our people how march again and we turned Tara's army into a seriously potent force once more. And then Strombran pissed away their last alliance.
And that left Tara the only nation with allies outside the League. Allies that had experience fighting and just might be able to tip the balance of what a combined CE-Strombran army would do to Tara.
Basically, I spent a year working to turn the politics of Atamara sideways. And I got a lot more help from the other rulers than I really expected. Everybody disliked the status quo. It's just that nobody knew how to end it. Even I didn't know how to actually BREAK it all in the end. All I knew how to do was weaken and pressure it...and for months people have seen that pressure going up and up and up.
Everybody wanted a change, but nobody knew how to do it. Then the leader of CE started up an OOC discussion in the League about breaking everything up. We never came to an agreement about how to do it, but we did come to an agreement that something had to be done. And then that slow ratcheting pressure that was slowly breaking up the federation got turned up one more notch by Strombran and...snap...
I pulled Tara out of the federation and it was GOTIME.
An interesting thing that I want to point out. While most people say the League of the Eagle won the game back in the day, it wasn't the League that actually...held sway. Or it wasn't the League that really stagnated the island. It was the federation. In the League we could still go our separate ways and do stuff. In the federation, we were lockstepped to each other in ways that are really hard. Especially when Strombran and Tara detested each other as much as they did.
The League did not have to die to break Atamara free of the stagnation it was in. The federation had to die. That is a very interesting difference. Most people see them as one and the same, but they really never were. The League was an alliance of nations that mostly worked together. The federation of Tara and Cagil were the two most powerful nations locked together in ways that nobody else could break. Except themselves. And that would never happen until the playing rulers decided it had to be done. And we did decide that. And we did it. Because we knew it was the only way break the stagnation that had fallen over Atamara.
It is sad that the devs decided to sink the island after we spent a year making it more exciting. But that's not on us. We did what we needed to do. We made Atamara better. And we were on track to putting it back on top as the best island to play on if my projections are right. And considering that it took ten years to build the situation we were in, the fact that we broke it in one year is pretty awesome in my book.
It's just a damn shame the devs shut it down after we succeeded. Or least made one big step on the succeeding ladder. There were a lot more steps to take. And we were well and truly taking them. Hehehe.
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To be honest, I'm sad that we had to sink it, too, having seen that there was finally movement away from the bloc politics that had dominated the continent for so long.
But we had to pick at least 2 continents to sink, EC wasn't on the table, and we couldn't base our decision on what we hoped might be the shape of the continents 6 months or a year from now. We had to base it on how the continents have existed over their (recent) lifetime.
I would have liked to see an Atamara with several more-or-less equal factions. Maybe someday we can resurrect the continent and find out.
Anyway, I'm keeping snapshots of all the islands pre-sinking, so it wouldn't be completely impossible to go back. ;D
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I think in many ways that Atamara is the best continent geographically to play on. It offers so much interesting terrain and really massive war fronts are available.
Heck, it was so good as a geographical thing that they made Beluaterra on it.
The problem I have with Beluaterra is that losing so much of the land has caused a lot of...shall we say...problems...there are fewer options for war fronts now. I think it would be very interesting to see the sunken lands return to Beluaterra as the whole map really is very amazing from a gameplay purpose. I think it's good enough that losing it as a map to play on is bad for the game.
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Yeah the limited landmass on BT is really making me hesitate moving a character there.
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The north end is pretty good with lots of places to go.
But the southern end is strait jacketed a lot more...
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If each of Rio's cities were their own realm (or even 2 cities a realm), they're not badly-placed for some dynamic conflict.
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Yes. But then they would be vulnerable to Thalmarkin sending a fleet and conquering one of those coastal cities down there. That is one of the problems I have with the sea zones in Beluaterra. It makes it too easy for one large power to project their power ANYWHERE...
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Yes. But then they would be vulnerable to Thalmarkin sending a fleet and conquering one of those coastal cities down there. That is one of the problems I have with the sea zones in Beluaterra. It makes it too easy for one large power to project their power ANYWHERE...
If you can't put enough militia in a city to prevent an amphibious invasion of a city, you're doing it wrong.
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I think they're much more vulnerable to Thalmarkin in the current state than several realms with various capitals would be, especially if those realms *did* war another and attract more nobles to those areas.
It's no different than Morek Empire/Luria.
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I think they're much more vulnerable to Thalmarkin in the current state than several realms with various capitals would be, especially if those realms *did* war another and attract more nobles to those areas.
It's no different than Morek Empire/Luria.
Yep, they have too few nobles to be able to put up the Militia. But it's not my fault they haven't tried splitting up into smaller realms in order to attract more players.
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I wasn't attributing blame, only making a comparison and a suggestion for improvement.
And my points were more in-reply to Medron than yourself; sorry for not quoting directly.
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You don't amphib invade the city. You amphib one or two regions away. THEN march on the city with your whole army.
At least that's what I've seen. ;)
As for the idea of them splitting up and bringing in new players...that probably would work...the question is whether or not they WANT to do that...
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You don't amphib invade the city. You amphib one or two regions away. THEN march on the city with your whole army.
At least that's what I've seen. ;)
As for the idea of them splitting up and bringing in new players...that probably would work...the question is whether or not they WANT to do that...
If they don't want to, then it's their own fault for being invaded and I do not pity them :)
And you can always place militia on your seashore regions. Even if Thalmarking invades 2 regions beyond the city, their casulties will be rather high.