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Community => Other Games => Topic started by: Revan on June 10, 2011, 02:55:39 PM
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Nintendo have blinked first and made the first next-gen console announcement. What does everyone think? As inspired as the original Wii or is the next console destined for failure in contrast to it's predecessor?
For me, I'm heartily intrigued by that control pad with the screen and of course, with news of a new Super Smash Bros. game on the way, I'm going to have no choice but to pick-up this console on release >.< Seems a shame that they're not going to sell additional controllers with screens though. That can only mean they'd be an eye watering price at retail.
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My Wii is now mostly used for the Virtual Console (And as a place for my cat to throw up on apparently :S), so I doubt I'll be buying any new consoles. I'll stick to my pc. I'm going to pick up the new Zelda game for sure. The Wii U looks interesting from a 'not-going-to-buy-it' point-of-view and it seems like they went a step further again. It's not entirely new of course, as they had the GBA connectors in the past (like with Four Links Adventure game, which was fun, albeit one of the longest games ever if you have my friends), but getting that private screen does open up some interesting new options. Most of the other options seemed less promising.
The crucial point in my opinion is if games will actually start to properly take advantage of and implement those new controls, and that's where I'm sceptic. Many games on the Wii are simply easier played with the gamecube controller (Mario Kart Wii, Super Smash Bros etc.) and don't really make great use of the motion control. It's more a fun gadget, not the main way to play. Games need to approach things very differently and get the new controls properly integrated and do that good as well (Touchscreen on the DS being the only way to move your character, for example, is generally a big pain)
My own inexperienced conclusion: Looks awesome, but I doubt the games will take full advantage of it.
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I must say I'm not really into consoles, and least of all into the Wii. So I'll spare you my opinion :D
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Consoles are really overrated in my opinion. PCs (including laptops) are so much better. They tend to last a little longer, PCs are upgradeable and you can play virtually any kind of game on it (including strategy games - try playing that on a console). Why people buy consoles, I still don't really understand. But whatever makes you enjoy your spare time, I guess. ;)
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They last longer? My old PlayStation worked for 12 years and broke down because I left it in a damp, moldy cellar. In that time I've gone through 2 desktops and 6 laptops. I have a friend with a 15-year old N64 that still works perfectly. I know of people who have working Super Nintendos, with the original lightguns.
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Yeah, I don't know about the lasting longer comment. Especially when it comes to simply becoming outdated within the market.
Buy a laptop and its outdated within 2 years unless you upgrade it (read $$$) yourself. The Xbox 360 and the PS3 are 6 and 5 years old respectively and are still the current, most up to date hardware.
Also, what Sacha said is so true. My N64 is still sitting out on my entertainment center and I could fire it up right now if I wanted; same goes for my original Xbox or my PS2.
I'm a big fan of consoles. Computers are only great for gaming if you have the $$$ to spend on freakin' awesome computers and the upgrades they require year to year to play the latest stuff.
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Well, consoles are "good" because they're easy. You buy one in the store (games often come with it, even), you plug it in and you start playing. No installations, no complications, less or no weird errors (stupid windows), ...
Computers, on the other hand, are more cumbersome. They need maintenance, upgrades and -dates, repairs... But in return, I feel computers offer a better gaming experience. RTS or FPS games simply aren't that good on consoles. And PC's offer better graphics.
Another thing: pc's allow more variation. Many games offer mods, additional storylines, new textures and whatnot. And warez, of course :)
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They last longer? My old PlayStation worked for 12 years and broke down because I left it in a damp, moldy cellar. In that time I've gone through 2 desktops and 6 laptops. I have a friend with a 15-year old N64 that still works perfectly. I know of people who have working Super Nintendos, with the original lightguns.
What the hell do you do to computer hardware. There is almost no real difference in the mean life time of the components of a console vs the components of PC's or Macs. This is even more true these days since consoles use more and more PC or customized PC hardware.
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What the hell do you do to computer hardware. There is almost no real difference in the mean life time of the components of a console vs the components of PC's or Macs. This is even more true these days since consoles use more and more PC or customized PC hardware.
I suppose it's because people don't perform maintenance on PC's. Over time they slow down, and instead of fixing it, people just buy a new one "because it got too damn slow".
Consoles don't really need that, do they?
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I suppose it's because people don't perform maintenance on PC's. Over time they slow down, and instead of fixing it, people just buy a new one "because it got too damn slow".
Consoles don't really need that, do they?
+ computers are used way more intensively than consoles. I mean, you can only play games on a console, while there is so much more to do on a computer...
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Back to Wii U, considering how the console is going to have good graphics again is an improvement(Granted Sony's and Microsoft's next gen will probable have better graphics, but Wii was barely an improvement from Game Cube). Also I think it is going to be way easier for them to implement cool stuff with the touch pad display because it is simpler, and they have all the experience from the DS. If you think about it the new console is essential a huge DS. The bottom screen is your controller, and the top screen is your TV.
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Back to Wii U
Sorry for that.
The best thing about it is how lightweight the Wii was to play. I mean, how instinctive could a controller be? Judging on how the new machine works, they seem to be stepping away from that, though, more aiming for real gamers?
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Back to Wii U
Basically, until Nintendo really starts capturing "real" games and not just fun party games, etc. It will always remain more a novelty/party game in my book. Wii is fun when you have a bunch of friends over. But when I want to sit down and have a true gaming experience it's always still going to be Xbox 360 or PS3 (or their next gen consoles, of course).
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When Wii first came out I think they were hoping to have "real" games. In my opinion the first games that got released for Wii were the best such as Zelda. Then Wii's limitation showed as xbox 360 and ps3 games kept getting way better, and left Wii with only doing dumb party games.
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When Wii first came out I think they were hoping to have "real" games. In my opinion the first games that got released for Wii were the best such as Zelda. Then Wii's limitation showed as xbox 360 and ps3 games kept getting way better, and left Wii with only doing dumb party games.
This is true, I think. Zelda, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Smash Bros. are all great franchises. But after those iterations comes out for each generation of Nintendo consoles, it seems all they've got it "cooking mama." :P
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It might also be the approach. 360 and PS3 far outstrip what the Wii could ever accomplish in terms of hardware (graphics, speed, to name two). Now with Kinect and Move, the whole motion-sensor control thing is not really a Wii novelty anymore. Nintendo seems to have spread out to the casual fans whereas the 360 and PS3 are sticking mainly to the hardcore base. Still, I must say that the recent games for the 360 and PS3 feel like reiterations of base popular games with little innovation, a different title, and some different graphics.
I think real reviewers would know better, but from my own experiences with games these past 4 years, games feel like some alternate version of Call of Duty, Halo, or Gears of War, for shooters. God of War, Devil May Cry, for action "going ape!@#$" games (come to think of it I can't really think of any action games for the 360 or PS3 that don't resemble GoW or DMC). There's also the parkour fighting action games that all have similar parkour mechanics with minor variations on how high they jump, how much damage they take when falling, and how they look like while climbing and stuff (AC, Uncharted, Prototype, The Saboteur, Infamous). Well, there is Mass Effect an Dragon Age, with the wide array hybrid RPG stuff.
I'm also drawing a blank with puzzle games. There was Portal 2, right?
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If you have the 360 try Wet. I never gave it a shot for obvious reasons, hot chick assassin main character and its titled Wet, but you'll probably get two play throughs of it and its pretty fun.
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I must say I'm not really into consoles, and least of all into the Wii. So I'll spare you my opinion :D
This, mostly. But I overall don't feel like the time is ripe for new next-gen consoles.
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I mean, you can only play games on a console, while there is so much more to do on a computer...
Like? Surf the web? Consoles can do that now. Voice chat? Consoles do that. Go on Facebook? Consoles do that. Watch TV, movies, etc? Consoles do that. Check up on the news? Again, consoles do that.
Pretty much the only thing that consoles have over consoles at this point in time is word processing (including various coding) and graphic editing.
As for the Wii U... Goodie. Another kid system. The new controller reminds me of the Sega Game Gear from the early 1990s. Nintendo should honestly give up on consoles in the current era and focus on bringing their classic brands to Sony and Microsoft's platforms, much like Sega did. Only possible exception would be their hand-helds, which provide much needed competition for Sony.
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Video games have been declining in innovation. I believe the highlight of my video game cynicism came when I played FEAR 3, much anticipated, much excited to play.
I discovered that it is a CoD clone. Might as well call it Modern Warfare X. Yeah, it has the slow-mo, but remember how in MW2 you got the automatic slow-mo when you busted open a door? Yeah, FEAR 3 just lets you access it temporarily almost whenever you want. So...basically MW2 with slightly more slow-mo action.
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Like? Surf the web? Consoles can do that now. Voice chat? Consoles do that. Go on Facebook? Consoles do that. Watch TV, movies, etc? Consoles do that. Check up on the news? Again, consoles do that.
Pretty much the only thing that consoles have over consoles at this point in time is word processing (including various coding) and graphic editing.
I disagree. What % of available software is console-compatible? I heard you can hack an OS onto a console, but then you lose your warranty. And since they seem to fail to easily nowadays, that's a pretty bad thing.
You *need* word-processing, in most cases. I would hate to use Microsoft Office on a console. Why double up your hardware to have one system to do the technical stuff, and then another to play games and do misc. stuff? By your argument, nobody needs consoles because iPhones can do everything they do. With the convenience of being portable and of being phones while they are at it, too.
As for the Wii U... Goodie. Another kid system. The new controller reminds me of the Sega Game Gear from the early 1990s. Nintendo should honestly give up on consoles in the current era and focus on bringing their classic brands to Sony and Microsoft's platforms, much like Sega did. Only possible exception would be their hand-helds, which provide much needed competition for Sony.
Agreed, it looks just like it. Clumsy piece of crap. I looked at their promotional video after my original response, and now think it's total !@#$.
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Yeah innovative games rare nowadays, but they are there. Heavy rain came out in 2010 and I loved it. I am curious if games that try something new make a significant less amount of money then repeat games. Though I think what I like about Nintendo the most is how well they keep old style as well as putting in new stuff. Most of the Mario and Zelda games are examples of that. Also same thing could be seen in Final Fantasy games. I think that is why I thought Twilight Princess and FFXIII were such disappointments.
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Most game companies are afraid to take risks. Why should they spend a ton of money on a game with some avante garde style that might very well flop and lead to the end of them? If they own the rights to some big hit series like Halo, or Call of Duty, or God of War, then why not keep churning out sequels? If you're a company that doesn't have rights to such heavy hitters, but the engines aren't restricted, then for the most part, you know that such a formula has worked in the past. If you're interested completely in the money, it makes sense to make something that follows the "template of success" and hope there are enough differences that gamers will be attracted to the same gameplay style but not immediately discount it as a rip-off.
As for Nintendo, as if they hadn't had enough with the OoT remakes. The original, I will say, was great, for the N64. Then they came out with some version that could be played on the GC or something. Then that was compatible on the Wii or in their online store or something. And now, guess what is one of the only games for the 3DS worth mentioning? Yeah, OoT in 3D! Woooo..... Excitement not quite there.
It doesn't have to be innovative in terms of gameplay either. Sometimes it's just weird. That lightsaber game on the Wii? Yeah... Then again, almost everything on the Wii. RE 4 was good though, as were the Marios. But the ones that tried too hard to make the motion control some sort of great amazing thing? Not sure about that.
Then again, I might not be satisfied until there comes a time when we can plug our nervous system into a console and have the game stimulate sensations exactly as if we were actually experiencing them.
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Video games have been declining in innovation.
Possibly, but I don't think they aren't much less innovative as an industry than any other sector of the entertainment industry. Movies, music, etc. all are chock full of stupid titles, milked-out franchises, and then those rare gems that come around every so often. It's not any particular fault of the video game industry I don't think, just the natural existence of mass entertainment media that video games have now become a part of.
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I disagree. What % of available software is console-compatible? I heard you can hack an OS onto a console, but then you lose your warranty. And since they seem to fail to easily nowadays, that's a pretty bad thing.
My Xbox 360 lasted from 2006 (when they were released) until December or so last year. That's a better track record than most PCs I've had!
You *need* word-processing, in most cases. I would hate to use Microsoft Office on a console. Why double up your hardware to have one system to do the technical stuff, and then another to play games and do misc. stuff? By your argument, nobody needs consoles because iPhones can do everything they do. With the convenience of being portable and of being phones while they are at it, too.
Technically I don't NEED a PC. I prefer it for certain games and for certain chat protocols. However, as phones do become more and more accessible for that sort of thing, the PC will be less useful. Especially as MMOs are slowly being released on consoles! My phone can create Word, Excel and Powerpoint documents, so yes, you are right on that part. As for phones replacing consoles... It's possible one day, actually. That won't be for a long time, however, as they aren't nearly powerful enough and battery life doesn't last nearly long enough. If they managed to do that? PCs and Consoles would be gone. Provided they can also plug up to the TV for larger screens!
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When I buy a game, I tend to go through the boxes with leftovers. Granted it's because my pc can't play the latest games, but it's just a lot more fun. I buy three games for maybe €15, and if I'm lucky I get one that's good. Came across Project Nomads that way (and Morrowind).
Mainstream just sucks :)
I've been thinking of building a pc capable of running all the new games, but the longer I'm waiting, the less I feel like it. I'd have a great system, and nothing fun to play on it :/