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BattleMaster => Locals => East Island => Topic started by: Ehndras on January 05, 2016, 02:11:13 PM
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Posting here to answer any questions you folks may have regarding the Xavax. :) Been quite the interesting experience so far. Definitely my most entertaining in BM to this day.
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Namechanges: what's up with that?
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Why? For the Glory of The Xavax of course!
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Why not ask Anaris to just change the actual neame to Xavax Imperium instead of Greater Xavax?
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I was unaware I could do that. I thought the initial name-change was for good. Didn't want to piss off the admins by going back on my word. :)
Well, before I became ruler I wanted Xavax to be a Meritocratic Republic. Then, folks wanted me to be king, I shrugged and agreed. I did my best to keep the meritocratic aspect, rewarding those who proved themselves able to properly engage in various Lordships and Councils, rather than rule alone and make demands. Open referenda asking our peoples' opinions on various topics, and plenty of open-ended questions. Our dreams of empire are by-and-far a distant concept, but when I heard a certain amount of support from others in Xavax, I decided to re-name it to reflect this fledgling ideal.
Thus, the (Greater) Xavax Imperium was born.
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Addendum: People REALLY didn't like the name "Meritocratic Monarchy of Greater Xavax", and after a good night's partial rest, neither did I.
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Just ask him. He may do it. If you wait too long, he will say no though.
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I asked - they said they'll see what they can do. In the absence of further response, I assume its a no. Ah well.
So, beside going into a suicidal war before we're ready for such campaign, what can the Xavax do to entertain you folks? I'm currently planning a tournament with Selenia, Viridiana's grand plans are in a temporary stall - for those of you in the know, I'm too scared of losing Kingship and haven't found someone willing to be my high priest - so no founding the Xavax state religion of the Phoenix Kin just yet, and my proposal for joint-military exercises with Fallengard are being considered, but the fear of Caligan invasion at some random point in ear-time makes that seems like an impossibility.
Help me come up with an entertaining solution to our current lull in activity. :)
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Because EC needs another religion. Nine EC religions. Seven of those with only a single priest in them.
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Everybody wants their own religion. Too bad nobody has enough priests to support them.
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Oh, I have those who want to be a priest - just no one willing to be the mastermind. Seeing as how I'm pushing for it, its my own responsibility really...
I plan for it to be the Xavax state religion - if not the religion of the southern free states. A sort of expatriate faith comprised of those who came from the sinking islands. The whole concept is mostly a pseudo-spiritual philosophy about honoring our fallen homelands and seeking rebirth in the image of the Phoenix, constantly reforging ourselves anew with every subsequent conquest or defeat. Its supposed to be vague enough for anyone to join in, rather than overly-specific and thus incredibly limiting.
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Because EC needs another religion. Nine EC religions. Seven of those with only a single priest in them.
Time for a purge then!
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Too many religions = too many powerless, crappy religions that never do anything. We need fewer, more active religions.
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Oh, I have those who want to be a priest - just no one willing to be the mastermind. Seeing as how I'm pushing for it, its my own responsibility really...
I plan for it to be the Xavax state religion - if not the religion of the southern free states. A sort of expatriate faith comprised of those who came from the sinking islands. The whole concept is mostly a pseudo-spiritual philosophy about honoring our fallen homelands and seeking rebirth in the image of the Phoenix, constantly reforging ourselves anew with every subsequent conquest or defeat. Its supposed to be vague enough for anyone to join in, rather than overly-specific and thus incredibly limiting.
Haha, you really want people to rebel against you don't you :)
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No, I want to actually follow the game-plan that was discussed and put into play by the first 20 or so to found Xavax. That was the whole point of all this. Pseudo-Romanic empire of pagan faithfuls who accept other faiths yet use their own as a springboard to conquer the world in the name of not only material interests, but those of divine light as well. Its a legitimacy thing, at its heart.
Not to mention, as a ruler, I've become aware that everyone and their mother uses their state religion to !@#$ over their neighbors during and before war. Why the hell can't Xavax do the same?
Not to mention, going with my plans and lore, the Phoenixian faith would lend credibility and allow us to assimilate foreign nobles and lands without needing to go through the process of warring them and their list of allies.
You know, BM isn't just a war-game, if that hasn't dawned on you. There's far more to it than war. Hell, war is the least of my interests. I'm in major wars on every single character I have, save Alekhsandr of Fissoa, though if Luria decides to pursue this new line, its becoming a possibility that Fissoa will be wiped off the map soon. *shrug*
We will war, and very soon, but I have to help the many little plots here and there to move forward, and not just the warmongers. You know, you folks aren't the only ones in Xavax, nor your interests the only ones worthy of respect.
If I didn't want you guys here, though, why would I have made y'all marshal, Strategos, and the like? Why start a military tribune?
If you all rebel for this, then it will be the most ridiculous rebellion I've ever seen. I'm in two realms with FAR greater problems and yet - lo! - no rebellion. If you're itching for war, then give me a damn reason I can use as casus belli, establish a plan, and work for it - don't just go "Hey! Declare on Perleone / Alara / Your Mother! Do it!"
If this little ambassadorial trip goes well upon Selenia and Ruslan's return, we'll have all we need to fight the first Xavax war. Otherwise, show some bloody patience and prepare Xavax for war. How about we conduct training exercises? Give out gold so people can train at the academy? How about my attempt at getting some joint-military exercises done? How about a tournament?
The world won't end if we don't go to war this week. Not to mention, I no longer manage an insurance agency. I just started my new security job and am having an extremely busy week, I haven't been able to log in properly since 2 days ago. Today I get my permanent schedule and list of alternate posts, so I'll have a better idea of when I'll be available. Today I have a very long day, and will be in training like yesterday. Though, today, I'll finally be assigned a security vehicle, so I get to drive - rather than walk - in this god damn blistering snowy freeze from hell.
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Not to mention the whole point of Viridiana's faith is the re-establishment of some old lore, which was agreed that her faith would be a companion to that of the Xavax Phoenix in our exchange of many out-of-context messages. Ironically, I was the main proponent for the establishment of her faith and this whole plot, outside of her circle of allies.
Y'all are the ones who decided to leave Xavax a monarchy - I wanted to be the ruler of a meritocratic republic, if y'all can't recall.
Now, Xavax will be an empire - and Magnus its "zealous avatar". Until someone gets an itchy trigger finger and tries to get rid of him, to which I say: "...Good luck."
Like I've said, Magnus will step down when he no longer serves a purpose. Until that day, he will fight for his throne with any and all tools in his arsenal. I am far more zealous and ruthless in real-life than I seem to be in game... Y'all just don't get to see most of the fun stuff that goes on behind closed doors, i.e., private message. Fear not, Xavax will have its fun quite soon.
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Not to mention the whole point of war with Perleone is to conquer Ibladesh for Viridiana's faith, which was agreed that her faith would be a companion to that of the Xavax Phoenix in our exchange of many out-of-context messages. Ironically, I was the main proponent for the establishment of her faith and this whole plot, outside of her circle of allies.
Y'all are the ones who decided to leave Xavax a monarchy - I wanted to be the ruler of a meritocratic republic, if y'all can't recall.
Now, Xavax will be an empire - and Magnus its zealous avatar. Until someone gets an itchy trigger finger and tries to get rid of him, to which I say: "...Good luck."
Like I've said, Magnus will step down when he no longer serves a purpose. Until that day, he will fight for his throne with any and all tools in his arsenal. I am far more zealous and ruthless in real-life than I seem to be in game... Y'all just don't get to see most of the fun stuff that goes on behind closed doors, i.e., private message. Fear not, Xavax will have its fun quite soon.
You do realize I'm not in Xavax right? And I'm not saying you can't, or that you shouldn't. Hell I've used state religion before, although only in a theocracy. I'm all about little plots and other things, as you can see from my family history. I'm just saying that if you force people to join a faith, there will be quite some who will object, especially since there is already another faith in Xavax as well if I remember right. But even if that happens, I see no problems with rebellions*
*Author's note, as long as it's not against my chars :p
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A state religion based from Ibladesh? Where have I heard this before?
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Aye, Church of Holy Wisdom - state-sanctioned and agreed-up via prodigious IC and some initial OOC to sort out the long-term concepts. ;) And aye, CHW is reminiscent of a certain age-old faith that changed the world - for better or worse...
Oh, no one is or will ever be forced to embrace the Phoenix. Did I accidentally imply that? My apologies. Consider it the posterchild for Xavax. The faith is meant more as a philosophy than a religion - sure, it has its lore, but they're more existential than anything. No long list of Gods with funny names, though I have a list of Primordial beings I *could* bring from a later incarnation (Read: degenerative bastardization) of Phoenexian ideals into a more standard old-school idolizing faith.
The Phoenix will be there for those who feel like joining the RP and concept - a few Xavax are believers, so far. Enough to make it more fun for those involved. This will present interesting opportunities between the Phoenix Kin and followers of the Holy Wisdom: enough friction to make things fun, though not enough (unless we all feel like it at some point) to lead to full-scale rivalry or conflict between the faiths.
I don't see it closing any doors, only opening them. I, for one, do not enjoy the CoHW RP or lore. Just not my thing. Those who follow the Phoenix, even if only in private, obviously feel the same. Its better to have 20 players split between 2 faiths than 10 players in 1 faith and 17 pseudo-atheists. Know what I mean?
I don't see a downside here.
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I don't recall seeing !@#$ about the CoHW lore or anything other than Magnus' announcement about it.
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no one in xavax ever said anything about rebelling against you, although the more blog-posts i see putting up internal discussions on forums, the more that ultimately pointless exercise becomes tempting.
most players play this game for the wars. some just for the rp, some like the priest game, whatever. it's not hard to have a little something for everyone, but if you don't have war you don't have a realm real quick.
chill, my dude, just chill. be like the fonz. what's the fonz like? he's cool 8)
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I played no part in their lore, nor will I discuss it at any point I'm aware of. Most of it was done privately and out of my hands, for fear of, well, something its not my place to reveal. They have their own history and lore, which you can learn through Lady Viridiana and whoever else her priests may be. I'm only saying that I was made aware of their concept and saw it to be interesting enough to allow it in Xavax. That about sums it up.
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A state religion based from Ibladesh? Where have I heard this before?
Fleugs I think it's time to pull the biggest trick in history. Peradn and Oligarch embracing CoI :) There are certainly strong family reasons for doing so heh
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It seems I have gotten myself into something of a pickle. :P
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It seems I have gotten myself into something of a pickle. :P
What have you done?
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What have you done?
Only claimed that the King of Alara no longer deserves his seat of power as King for signing an alliance with Caligus, then got banned for being a "spy".
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I think the entire island has now polarized back into two separate factions. Bummer. Id was hoping for something a bit more dynamic.
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I think the entire island has now polarized back into two separate factions. Bummer. Id was hoping for something a bit more dynamic.
Looks like it is quickly becoming south vs center vs north while south and north are becoming friends.
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Now where have I seen that before...
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le boring
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I blame the old Atamaran players for playing the same way that got the last island sunk.
Because I can.
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because it's true
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Have no fear! Stegman is here! or...somewhere near here. He's not really sure, but he might be close by.
Ooooh! A priest!
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Problem is, the current debacle in Xavax promotes PRECISELY what y'all don't want. I want Xavax to break the bold and be ballsy, not take the easy road. Unfortunately, certain folks can't see eye to eye.
Can the spies and factioners please just admit what you're doing so I can stop being vague as !@#$? Its getting annoying to have to be vague. I hate vagueness.
I really hope its just the ones I know about. Gods forbid my other suspicions and informed suggestions have merit... Jesus... It'd be a wonder y'all haven't rebelled already, if so.
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Don't know about you but I haven't seen a spy in awhile. Ever since this single noble limitation, I doubt many people are interested in spying. You actually have to fully commit a character and since you only get one per continent, being branded as a spy might not work very well for your family.
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I'm not sure how people see the 'north' as a single whole at this point...
At the same time, the center and the south are also divided as far as I know.
Why are people so pessimistic these days? EC is far from being AT
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I'm not sure how people see the 'north' as a single whole at this point...
At the same time, the center and the south are also divided as far as I know.
Why are people so pessimistic these days? EC is far from being AT
Well, besides the civil war in Sirion, you have Eponllyn, Sirion, Caligus, and Nivemus all allied. Add in Alara, Perleone, and Vix Tiramora who are all allied with Caligus; Fallangard who is allied with Eponllyn; that's a sizable portion of the continent. Even if we take out the extended alliances and stick with the main players, that is nearly the entirety of the northern half of East Continent. The only realms currently fighting against this directly are Oligarch, Vix Tiramora, and Perdan. Vix Tiramora seems to be a wild-card.
Problem is, the current debacle in Xavax promotes PRECISELY what y'all don't want. I want Xavax to break the bold and be ballsy, not take the easy road. Unfortunately, certain folks can't see eye to eye.
Can the spies and factioners please just admit what you're doing so I can stop being vague as !@#$? Its getting annoying to have to be vague. I hate vagueness.
I really hope its just the ones I know about. Gods forbid my other suspicions and informed suggestions have merit... Jesus... It'd be a wonder y'all haven't rebelled already, if so.
I honestly have no clue who you consider to be spies, or where they'd even come from. No one in Xavax or Alara have another noble on East Island. That's impossible now. I honestly found it hilarious that my character was being called one. A rebel against authority, maybe, but a spy? No, Sayuki's too stupid for that.
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Well, besides the civil war in Sirion, you have Eponllyn, Sirion, Caligus, and Nivemus all allied. Add in Alara, Perleone, and Vix Tiramora who are all allied with Caligus; Fallangard who is allied with Eponllyn; that's a sizable portion of the continent. Even if we take out the extended alliances and stick with the main players, that is nearly the entirety of the northern half of East Continent. The only realms currently fighting against this directly are Oligarch, Vix Tiramora, and Perdan. Vix Tiramora seems to be a wild-card.
That is if you only follow the official diplomatic relations. Eponllyn wants to see Sirion reduced, the alliance between Sirion and Caligus is reduced to nothing. Eponllyn and Caligus only recently fought against each other and there is not a lot of love between the two as far as I know. Perdan and Caligus also recently fought and Vix is a bit of a wild card in between positions.
In time Sirion will be divided, creating a whole new situation in the north as well. The alliances on EC are also more fledging than the 'federation deadlock' we had on AT. Within that 'big alliance' you mention are also enemies of each other. You can also get alliances just for the sake of one war and then change later again. They're different than federations for a reason.
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Yay, I love being a wild card! ;D
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Alliances on EC are very fragile. There are many weak alliances which will be changed depending on different situations.
Unlike CE alliance, Sirion doesn't really have any ally. You can tell that from no one coming to their aid.
Perleone has many allies but will anyone bother to come and help them when they hardly respond to letters? I doubt so.
There are also temporary alliances which are made to put pressure on other growing realms. You can do a lot on EC so if you have anything in mind, go ahead ^^
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Problem is, the current debacle in Xavax promotes PRECISELY what y'all don't want. I want Xavax to break the bold and be ballsy, not take the easy road. Unfortunately, certain folks can't see eye to eye.
Can the spies and factioners please just admit what you're doing so I can stop being vague as !@#$? Its getting annoying to have to be vague. I hate vagueness.
I really hope its just the ones I know about. Gods forbid my other suspicions and informed suggestions have merit... Jesus... It'd be a wonder y'all haven't rebelled already, if so.
What are you rambling about? Some people just disagree with the way the realm is lead, it doesn't make them spies.
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What are you rambling about? Some people just disagree with the way the realm is lead, it doesn't make them spies.
I was wondering if we had an OOC discussion about what was happening in Xavax. Shows how often I visit the forums these days!
I've said it in-character and believe it firmly OOC that no one in Xavax really knows what's going on...which has lead to a pretty confused jumble and a lot of (lengthy) shouting.
Nevertheless, it IS interesting, if in the Chinese-curse sort of way.
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I was wondering if we had an OOC discussion about what was happening in Xavax. Shows how often I visit the forums these days!
I've said it in-character and believe it firmly OOC that no one in Xavax really knows what's going on...which has lead to a pretty confused jumble and a lot of (lengthy) shouting.
Nevertheless, it IS interesting, if in the Chinese-curse sort of way.
Oh, you mean that the Xerarch has lost his Mandate of Heaven?
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Oh, you mean that the Xerarch has lost his Mandate of Heaven?
I don't know about that for sure yet, but I will say that straddling a powder keg while smoking is not the wisest of life choices.
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I don't know about that for sure yet, but I will say that straddling a powder keg while smoking is not the wisest of life choices.
I will tentatively praise the wisdom of this action in BM, if not life. More nobles smoking and straddling powder kegs are needed!
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That's the Xerach for ya. He can't seem to help seeping OOC into RP and vice versa. This isn't the first time he's paraded current and active IG issues to the forum and swelled his chest for us.
I suppose he thinks giving away internal information qualifies as foreshadowing.
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It's a literary technique!
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Oh dear lord, the OOC commentary that he is doing is horrid...
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If it's really that bad, report it. Excessive ooc, or using ooc info or collusion to drive ic events seems like it would be reportable.
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It's more just baseless boasting
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Anyone ignored those OOC messages as well? */
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is he ooc messaging the rulers too? ::)
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is he ooc messaging the rulers too? ::)
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is he ooc messaging the rulers too? ::)
Yes yes, I know, the hypocrisy.
And the answer to that is hilariously yes. Much of it isn't offensive, but so self-indulgent as to be cringe-worthy.
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Yes yes, I know, the hypocrisy.
And the answer to that is hilariously yes. Much of it isn't offensive, but so self-indulgent as to be cringe-worthy.
Rebellion in Greater Xavax (just in)
message to everyone on East Continent
A rebellion is breaking out in Greater Xavax. Earlier today, Iuz Vidar Crownguard has called for an uprising against the current government. Details are still sketchy.
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Awesome!
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Rebellion in Greater Xavax (just in)
message to everyone on East Continent
A rebellion is breaking out in Greater Xavax. Earlier today, Iuz Vidar Crownguard has called for an uprising against the current government. Details are still sketchy.
Funfun!
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Oh dear lord, the OOC commentary that he is doing is horrid...
Kind of funny to see you complain after you ragequit Cagil with an OOC message that insulted pretty much everyone OOC :p
Though I do agree that Magnus' walls of text are hard to read at times and a bit too frequent. The passion is great, and I'm glad to see activity, but I do think he needs to tone it down a wee bit. I can definitely see the effects of his IRL not feeling well coming through in it if that makes sense (get well soon! and maybe get some sleep?). But I also find some of the other most active characters also kind of annoying but for different reasons.
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Yes yes, I know, the hypocrisy.
I already acknowledged that Ossan, no need to bring it up again. ;3
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Help us, the ruler's insane. v-v
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Help us, the ruler's insane. v-v
Un-sane him if you can 8)
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Rebels winning?!
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rebels won the first battle in a close one. support for the ruler was lukewarm at best, but one of the main people whose word the rebellion was started on decided to play some compromise games at the last moment. we'll see what happens.
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It would be so awesome if Alara decided to join in and rip Xavax apart while they're at it themselves ;D
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Alara couldn't rip a brown paper bag.
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Alara couldn't rip a brown paper bag.
J-dog! That's not a very nice thing to say.
Too bad, anyway. What will be the intentions of the rebels of Xavax, diplomacy wise?
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8)
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From the looks of it, just about any nation on EC will soon be at war. Good times!
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What about a *wet* brown paper bag? What about if they have help? I'm sure Perleone could send 100-200cs of troops to help.
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What about a *wet* brown paper bag? What about if they have help? I'm sure Perleone could send 100-200cs of troops to help.
Nah they're far more powerfull these days with 6 nobles. They'll definately bring the horor of 1000-2000cs of troops :p
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The Rebels got crushed in the second battle. Some last minute support for the loyalists, and outspoken rebel Kellan Dodger getting wounded in a death duel with Reyjkovik III Draekarne, hurt them badly going into the battle. Sir Lionel Kinsey replaces Dodger as Strategos, further weakening their ability to fight against the loyalist forces. Now that Duchess Selenia JeVondair has joined the loyalists and called on her vassals to do so as well, the rebellion has pretty much no hope of success. Rebel leader Duke Iuz Vidar Crownguard has agreed to Duchess Selenia's demand to leave her city.
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The Rebels got crushed in the second battle. Some last minute support for the loyalists, and outspoken rebel Kellan Dodger getting wounded in a death duel with Reyjkovik III Draekarne, hurt them badly going into the battle. Sir Lionel Kinsey replaces Dodger as Strategos, further weakening their ability to fight against the loyalist forces. Now that Duchess Selenia JeVondair has joined the loyalists and called on her vassals to do so as well, the rebellion has pretty much no hope of success. Rebel leader Duke Iuz Vidar Crownguard has agreed to Duchess Selenia's demand to leave her city.
That's a pretty one-sided view of it. Duchess Selenia only joined the loyalists because the Xerarch has agreed to step down. I still can't believe how many people are blind to what is going on, but whatever.
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10 Loyalists (before Duchess Selenia and her 5 vassals joined), 7 rebels, and 7 Neutral/Undecided Nobles. It's not the loyalist's fault that the rebel's failed to sell their reasons to the average noble. I suppose they can claim Magnus stepping down as a morale victory, but as far as the rebellion goes, it's a failure.
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10 Loyalists (before Duchess Selenia and her 5 vassals joined), 7 rebels, and 7 Neutral/Undecided Nobles. It's not the loyalist's fault that the rebel's failed to sell their reasons to the average noble. I suppose they can claim Magnus stepping down as a morale victory, but as far as the rebellion goes, it's a failure.
Yeah, no. Several of the loyalists you claim joined before Duchess Selenia joined aftewards. And honestly that was a pretty bull!@#$ move with the duel. But yeah, congrats on supporting an idiot who praises the old ruler of CE, the same one that helped sink that continent and refused to fight Tara after they declared war on CE. Especially after the !@#$ing unnecessary OOC stuff the ruler keeps bleeding into IC. Frankly I'm appalled that you all even still support him.
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Sounds like XI is an Atamaran realm on EC!
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Yeah, no. Several of the loyalists you claim joined before Duchess Selenia joined aftewards. And honestly that was a pretty bull!@#$ move with the duel. But yeah, congrats on supporting an idiot who praises the old ruler of CE, the same one that helped sink that continent and refused to fight Tara after they declared war on CE. Especially after the !@#$ing unnecessary OOC stuff the ruler keeps bleeding into IC. Frankly I'm appalled that you all even still support him.
Yeah, no. You obviously haven't been paying attention. I was the sixth loyalist (Aramon Abjur). Before me was Magnus, Odwella, Reyjkovik III, Ruslan, and Uthred.
Loyalist gain support (1 day ago)
message to all nobles of Greater Xavax
Lionel Kinsey has declared his support for the current government and joined the loyalists.
Loyalist gain support (17 hours, 44 minutes ago)
message to all nobles of Greater Xavax
Ragmar Lankmere has declared his support for the current government and joined the loyalists.
Rebellion expands (16 hours, 50 minutes ago)
message to all nobles of Greater Xavax
John Graves has joined the rebellion.
Loyalist gain support (15 hours, 39 minutes ago)
message to all nobles of Greater Xavax
Julian Sarwell has declared his support for the current government and joined the loyalists.
Loyalist gain support (14 hours, 31 minutes ago)
message to all nobles of Greater Xavax
Torxanib Godric Tórrarin ka Habb has declared his support for the current government and joined the loyalists.
Duel (14 hours, 18 minutes ago)
Reyjkovik III Draekarne, Knight of Xavax meets his challenger Kellan Dodger, Strategos of Greater Xavax, Knight of Xavax for the agreed duel till death.
Both participants are using the 'overrun' strategy, so that neither has an advantage.
The duel runs its course, until Reyjkovik III delivers a fatal blow. The healers carry Kellan away, seriously wounded but still breathing.Since there was a bounty out on him, Reyjkovik III gladly collects.
Battle happens (14 hours, 18 minutes ago)
Speech by Duchess Selenia (14 hours, 6 minutes ago)
Loyalist gain support (14 hours, 5 minutes ago)
message to all nobles of Greater Xavax
Selenia JeVondair has declared her support for the current government and joined the loyalists.
Loyalist gain support (14 hours ago)
message to all nobles of Greater Xavax
Hallvar Schancke has declared his support for the current government and joined the loyalists.
Loyalist gain support (14 hours ago)
message to all nobles of Greater Xavax
Sayuki Kuriga has declared his support for the current government and joined the loyalists.
Sabotage! (12 hours, 43 minutes ago)
Guards in Xavax have arrested John Graves, apparently an infiltrator from Greater Xavax, while he tried breaking into the tax offices.
Loyalist gain support (12 hours, 14 minutes ago)
message to all nobles of Greater Xavax
Eoin Gabhann has declared his support for the current government and joined the loyalists.
New Strategos (11 hours, 43 minutes ago)
Your ruler, Magnus, has appointed Sir Lionel Kinsey, Knight of Tota as Strategos of the realm.
Loyalist gain support (7 hours, 16 minutes ago)
message to all nobles of Greater Xavax
Beck Mozzoni has declared her support for the current government and joined the loyalists.
Loyalist gain support (3 hours, 48 minutes ago)
message to all nobles of Greater Xavax
Elcalyn Alwyn has declared his support for the current government and joined the loyalists.
Dodger offered the duel, Reyjkovik accepted.
Letter from Kellan Dodger (1 day, 1 hour ago)
message to all nobles of Greater Xavax
The duel challenge has already been issued. I see you have not yet replied.
Kellan Dodger
Strategos of Greater Xavax
Knight of Xavax
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yeah too bad for xavax. totally screwed realm. none of the loyalists even supported magnus really, they were all like "well i really dont like magnus but... status quo!"
so punk selenia joined the loyalists huh... what a punk move.
i told both dukes both ooc and ic that if they wanted, we could rebel, and if either of them told me no i would just move to a different realm. both dukes gave their approval and promised support for a rebellion. after the rebellion started jevondair pulled some compromise crap and now i guess has sided with the loyalists. if selenia had done what she and her player said she would the rebellion would have won quickly and not turned into the dragged out crapfest it became. dont ever trust that family.
why was the duel a bs move?
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yeah too bad for xavax. totally screwed realm. none of the loyalists even supported magnus really, they were all like "well i really dont like magnus but... status quo!"
so punk selenia joined the loyalists huh... what a punk move.
i told both dukes both ooc and ic that if they wanted, we could rebel, and if either of them told me no i would just move to a different realm. both dukes gave their approval and promised support for a rebellion. after the rebellion started jevondair pulled some compromise crap and now i guess has sided with the loyalists. if selenia had done what she and her player said she would the rebellion would have won quickly and not turned into the dragged out crapfest it became. dont ever trust that family.
why was the duel a bs move?
Convince your duke, create Isadril Imperium!
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Convince your duke, create Isadril Imperium!
MOAR REALMS!
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MOAR REALMS!
No! Not more realms :o
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Yeah, no. Several of the loyalists you claim joined before Duchess Selenia joined aftewards. And honestly that was a pretty bull!@#$ move with the duel. But yeah, congrats on supporting an idiot who praises the old ruler of CE, the same one that helped sink that continent and refused to fight Tara after they declared war on CE. Especially after the !@#$ing unnecessary OOC stuff the ruler keeps bleeding into IC. Frankly I'm appalled that you all even still support him.
Maybe they're doing it out of spite :p
yeah too bad for xavax. totally screwed realm. none of the loyalists even supported magnus really, they were all like "well i really dont like magnus but... status quo!"
Odwella did/does, actually. Though I will admit his amount of messages is a bit tiresome at times.
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*Makes popcorn and watches* 8)
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yeah too bad for xavax. totally screwed realm. none of the loyalists even supported magnus really, they were all like "well i really dont like magnus but... status quo!"
so punk selenia joined the loyalists huh... what a punk move.
i told both dukes both ooc and ic that if they wanted, we could rebel, and if either of them told me no i would just move to a different realm. both dukes gave their approval and promised support for a rebellion. after the rebellion started jevondair pulled some compromise crap and now i guess has sided with the loyalists. if selenia had done what she and her player said she would the rebellion would have won quickly and not turned into the dragged out crapfest it became. dont ever trust that family.
why was the duel a bs move?
To be fair to Selenia, s/he's roleplaying the character. She was getting letters from the start of the rebellion from both sides, and since her ultimate goal was getting Magnus to step down, once he agreed there was no reason for her to join the rebellion. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
I don't get the BS comment either, maybe because without Dodger the rebellion lost a lot of it's fire.
Maybe they're doing it out of spite :p
Odwella did/does, actually. Though I will admit his amount of messages is a bit tiresome at times.
Likewise in Aramon's case, he didn't mind Magnus but found the rebels annoying, like whiny little brats.
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To be fair to Selenia, s/he's roleplaying the character. She was getting letters from the start of the rebellion from both sides, and since her ultimate goal was getting Magnus to step down, once he agreed there was no reason for her to join the rebellion. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
I don't get the BS comment either, maybe because without Dodger the rebellion lost a lot of it's fire.
Likewise in Aramon's case, he didn't mind Magnus but found the rebels annoying, like whiny little brats.
I find the loyalists to be snobs with their heads up their asses, so the annoyance is mutual.
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*Makes popcorn and watches* 8)
*Joins Wimpie, stuff's firing up now*
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There was just a bit of roleplay involved, yes. Selenia was always very careful never to explicitly support outright rebellion. I know this because I went back and checked. Why? Besides the obvious reasons being that she'd be risking her good name, lands, titles, and relationships; that the any battle would rip up her city; that she was visiting on a diplomatic mission to Caligus at the time; That any rebellion would weaken Xavax and therefore weaken her; That Magnus (who had always done right by her personally) had made her duchess even though she'd warned everyone during the elections that he was not the right choice for King; and that Kellan Dodger was swiftly making a nuisance of himself. Furthermore, the conspirators went from merely 'suggesting' rebellion in an armchair general kind of way, to actually declaring it in a matter of hours. All that, and I as a player knew that Aurea's player can be CRAFTY AF and it could all have been an elaborate plot to result in Selenia loosing her duchy on grounds of treason so that Magnus could take it or give it as he chose.
What she DID do was assert that due process should be followed: Referendums, protests, making rebellion a last resort as it should have been. But Kellan pushed Duke Isadril into premature action, without counting on how many enemies he himself had made. The loyalist weren't fighting FOR Magnus as much as they were AGAINST Kellan...and then this little gem happened...
It was literally a coin toss as to who Selenia would back. On the one hand, it was clear Magnus had to go and that perhaps a republican system would be a lot better. On the other, some of her most loyal knights and lords had already declared themselves loyalists. What pushed her over the edge, however, was Mormont sending her a letter comparing Kellan (whom she was already irritated with) to the Trents (Tyrants played by a powergamer that was eventually banned by the Titans, resulting in her wresting control of the Ivory Vale and becoming Empress). I was really hoping someone would, it was a masterful bit of character interplay. If not for that, and her promise to commit to a side in order to STOP the fighting, she might have remained neutral the whole way.
The rebels moved too quickly for their own good, which is why their rebellion would have failed regardless of what Selenia did.
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Meh. Aurea isn't crafty AF, he's a bull!@#$ter both IC and OOC, and Xavax just happens to have a bunch of white knight sheep characters that have their blinders on. He has a bunch of typical Atamaran characters who blindly follow whoever is in charge and don't think for themselves.
It's easy to have power if a bunch of morons are led around by their nose by the ruler.
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I had a character on Atamara once, for a day in 2007. As far as being a "white knight sheep character" goes, that's a first for me. But hey, if Sayuki is unsatisfied with the way things are going in Xavax, he's free to return to Alara, I'm sure they'll be happy the have him back. :P
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I already have a place I can go. But I like seeing how much I can get away with poking the loyalists. They have such thin hides.
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Meh. Aurea isn't crafty AF, he's a bull!@#$ter both IC and OOC, and Xavax just happens to have a bunch of white knight sheep characters that have their blinders on. He has a bunch of typical Atamaran characters who blindly follow whoever is in charge and don't think for themselves.
It's easy to have power if a bunch of morons are led around by their nose by the ruler.
I wouldn't quickly go as far as calling someone a bull!@#$ter as a player. There are a great number of BS characters, but to name a player thus is a step too far in pretty much any case if you ask me.
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May I remind you all that Vix Tiramora is a very nice realm to be in. So if there are any people who want to get out of Xavax 8)
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May I remind you all that Vix Tiramora is a very nice realm to be in. So if there are any people who want to get out of Xavax 8)
Haha good one! xD
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Well the rebels will need somewhere to go.
I had a character on Atamara once, for a day in 2007. As far as being a "white knight sheep character" goes, that's a first for me. But hey, if Sayuki is unsatisfied with the way things are going in Xavax, he's free to return to Alara, I'm sure they'll be happy the have him back. :P
Sayuki will be unhappy wherever he is :p
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JeVondair, I told you I'd just go to another realm if you didn't want a rebellion. Selenia approved of a rebellion twice, explicitly.
Add to that the fact that Magnus hasn't stepped down and Ruslan banned all the rebs when Selenia said that wasn't supposed to happen.
If Selenia had backed the rebellion from the beginning like she said she would... just look at all the characters that said "I'll go where my Duchess goes" and those that only chose a side after her.
Your decisions have led to a really bad situation for Xavax and especially the rebels that cared enough about the realm to risk their necks.
Selenia and Magnus should totally get married though.
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Incorrect. Oh Selenia was definitely agreeing with you that something had to be done, and she explicitly supported action against the Xerarch. Here, just to jog your memory since that hit Reyjkovik gave Kellan must have corrupted some files...
Request from Selenia JeVondair (8 days, 4 hours ago)
Very well, Kellan. My support comes with three conditions:
That we wait two days for Magnus to address our concerns (He said earlier that his kid was in the emergency room and taking action to remove him seems dangerously close to the Inviolable Player Rights)
If, as you suspect, he is unable to make sufficient turnaround (and I will let you be the judge of that), You will launch a referendum demanding that he step down. This has the benefit of not betraying anyone's personal honor OR devaluing the crown.
Only if these do not work will I actively collude with you in Rebellion. because, for the good of Xavax, Leadership MUST improve. I will expect your suggestions as to who you'd pick to succeed Magnus.
These seem to be wise and reasonable conditions and I expect you to agree. In the meantime, I will speak with Duke Isadril and gain his support. With both Dukes of Xavax pushing, there can be no risk for failure.
Selenia JeVondair
Duchess of Xavax
Margravine of Xavax
As a player, i hate the thought of loosing other active players for pretty much any reason. i'd rather work with and roleplay through it.
And Selenia is old enough to be Magnus's mother...
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Well the rebels will need somewhere to go.
Sayuki will be unhappy wherever he is :p
Actually, Sayuki would be happy to be in Oligarch. Which is probably where I'm going to go, because I can only stand so much talk without action.
And yes, he was bull!@#$ting OOC because he sent numerous unneeded OOC messages about how he was right and how he bent over backwards to be the good guy and what not.
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thats one message out of many. id post the others, but not allowed on the forum and im over it.
good luck xavax ::)
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Incorrect. Oh Selenia was definitely agreeing with you that something had to be done, and she explicitly supported action against the Xerarch. Here, just to jog your memory since that hit Reyjkovik gave Kellan must have corrupted some files...
As a player, i hate the thought of loosing other active players for pretty much any reason. i'd rather work with and roleplay through it.
And Selenia is old enough to be Magnus's mother...
As if that ever stopped nobility before. ;)
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Got another OOC message, PM this time after I specifically asked him to stop trying to use OOC to leverage his IC position.
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Oh look after promising to step down, he's right back to running for Ruler. And how do people still support him when he's blatantly breaking the spirit of the promise he gave to the Duchess? !@#$ing idiotic sheep.
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You know, you could try not being so rude and insulting toward your fellow players, just because they make different choices than you would have made. This is getting pretty ridiculous.
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You know, you could try not being so rude and insulting toward your fellow players, just because they make different choices than you would have made. This is getting pretty ridiculous.
I would be more calm about it if the guy wasn't blatantly combining OOC with IC to leverage his IG position.
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There's no exception in the rules that says "don't insult fellow players, unless you think they're being jerks".
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There's no exception in the rules that says "don't insult fellow players, unless you think they're being jerks".
I never said you shouldn't punish me. And it's not that I think he's a jerk, I think he's abusing OOC.
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!@#$ing idiotic sheep.
That wasn't referring to Aurea. It was referring to other players.
Tone it down, Gundam.
This will be your last warning, either on the forums or in-game.
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And that everyone in the realm that supports him is a "!@#$ing idiotic sheep".
I'm trying to get you to stop doing this so you don't *have* to get more warnings.
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You make my life a living hell and insult me IC, and now you insult me OOC. Thanks a lot.
A little hint on my personality type, of which I'm practically a poster-child according to my psychologist, if it helps you understand why I am the way I am, because you quite obviously don't seem to get the bigger picture. I don't fault you for it, I'm a man of countless contradictions that somehow manage to achieve an uneasy state of equilibrium. As much as you doubt me, I doubt myself more.
http://www.personalitypage.com/INFJ.html
"INFJs have uncanny insight into people and situations. They get "feelings" about things and intuitively understand them. Most INFJs are protective of their inner selves, sharing only what they choose to share when they choose to share it. They are deep, complex individuals, who are quite private and typically difficult to understand. INFJs hold back part of themselves, and can be secretive.
But the INFJ is as genuinely warm as they are complex. INFJs hold a special place in the heart of people who they are close to, who are able to see their special gifts and depth of caring. INFJs are concerned for people's feelings, and try to be gentle to avoid hurting anyone. They are very sensitive to conflict, and cannot tolerate it very well. Situations which are charged with conflict may drive the normally peaceful INFJ into a state of agitation or charged anger. They may tend to internalize conflict into their bodies, and experience health problems when under a lot of stress.
Because the INFJ has such strong intuitive capabilities, they trust their own instincts above all else. This may result in an INFJ stubborness and tendency to ignore other people's opinions. They believe that they're right. On the other hand, INFJ is a perfectionist who doubts that they are living up to their full potential. INFJs are rarely at complete peace with themselves - there's always something else they should be doing to improve themselves and the world around them. They believe in constant growth, and don't often take time to revel in their accomplishments. They have strong value systems, and need to live their lives in accordance with what they feel is right. In deference to the Feeling aspect of their personalities, INFJs are in some ways gentle and easy going. Conversely, they have very high expectations of themselves, and frequently of their families. They don't believe in compromising their ideals.
INFJ is a natural nurturer; patient, devoted and protective. They make loving parents and usually have strong bonds with their offspring. They have high expectations of their children, and push them to be the best that they can be. This can sometimes manifest itself in the INFJ being hard-nosed and stubborn. But generally, children of an INFJ get devoted and sincere parental guidance, combined with deep caring."
I'm an open book if you ever actually cared to even vaguely ATTEMPT to figure me out, like JeVondair, Orlov, and a few others have.
First of all, I made it VERY clear I am only running so Selenia's name isn't the only one on the ballot. SECOND, before, during, and after the rebellion it was stated that I could re-run for rulership after stepping down. I am in NO way breaking any agreement by doing so. Don't believe me? Go re-read a few messages and choke on your false words.
I don't even enjoy playing in Xavax ever since this little mess began. Its become a massive chore. All my attempts at sparking RP went down the toilet the moment Dodger's group migrated to Xavax and, quite frankly, my entire focus and purpose upon logging in became about breaking Dodger's influence rather than having fun. I had to wrap myself in the most ridiculously convoluted scheme in order to ensure dethroning Dodger didn't end up with me dead and Xavax ruined, BARELY managed to save face with all the Alaran mess going on, and failed miserably to keep up superficial appearances of stability as my play-time dwindled and I bumrushed speed-typing massive posts in reply to everyone and their mother on a dwindling phone charge during back to back work shifts. Sorry, but I really didn't have time to waste arguing with Dodger, but that's the only bloody thing that was going on in Xavax.
Now that the rebellion has been fought, we can all move on.
As for calling me a bull!@#$ter, give us all an example then, oh blessed paragon of virtue. I'll link you to my deviantart, my facebook, my employer's page, hell, you can call my security dispatch and find out what my patrol hours are. I will sort through the text files I have of every message I've ever sent and received since the day I joined Xavax. I'll provide whatever proof you need to refute your ignorant accusations at the drop of a dime. Don't EVER call me a god damn bull!@#$ter. There is NOTHING I hate more in this world than being called a liar! I'd take a bullet to the face and die with a smile knowing I spoke truth before I dishonor myself and my family name by being a deceiver. Even my Riombaran assassin-to-be is brutally honest. I am known for this in both games and in real life. Its who I am. I may omit information, but I will not lie unless it is an extremely severe matter. You want the stark truth? I have extremely bad short term memory and couldn't remember a lie to save my life if I told it, therefore its utterly idiotic to do so. I do, however, have incredible long-term memory recall, especially for traumatic or emotional events. If someone asks me a direct question, I have to answer it honestly. Its the big flaw of my OCD. Just ask my ex-wife, my brother, my mother, my best friends how many times I "shot myself in the foot", metaphorically, by admitting things no sane man would admit, simply because someone asked - sometimes even a complete stranger. I have panic attacks when I deal with lies. Deception causes me great anxiety. I grew up with a schizophrenic sociopathic narcisist mother who lies about everything humanly possible, emotionally manipulates everyone around her for the sake of money, and took a profound distaste for such behavior growing up. I am painfully, horribly sincere - to a fault, because its the one thing that sets me apart from my mother. In real like I am quiet and composed, but as a writer, you will always see MASSIVE text-walls - like this one - because frankly, I''m not even speaking to you anymore. I'm telling a story, and you're simply the audience. If you listen, great. If not, I don't care - because it mattered more to me in writing it than it ever will to you in listening. Its more trouble than its worth, but I'd rather be hated for saying what I believe - right or wrong, whether I'm believed or not - than be loved for a lie. I may be an obsessive-compulsive depressed anxious confusing mess of a person, but I take my words seriously. My word is my bond. That is the one thing my father taught me to respect before he died, and its the one way I can still honor him. When and if I lie, I admit it instantly - I will not suffer panic attacks for the sake of bull!@#$. And yes, that even includes in-game lies. I can't lie as a character without incurring anxiety over it. Its... Well, made my writing experience very interesting, to say the least.
And Dodger, Selenia didn't pull out dishonorably. Selenia followed Magnus' orders and did her job splendidly. Or do you really think everyone buddying up to you actually supported your plot? Even dissident factions have dissidents of their own. Its funny, the more you spoke and believed you were gaining support by incessantly insulting and undermining me with Sayuki Kuriga in tow, the more I received messages in private complaining about it.
It was like a broken friggin' record. I was fine with a little chaos and dissent, hence why I didn't ban you as soon as I knew you weren't being honest with me - instead I ordered people to keep their eyes open but do nothing. Remember, I could've simply ordered the judge to ban you. I could have shut you up after any of your outbursts. I could have chucked Kuriga back over the Alaran border and fed him to the dogs.
But I didn't. I let you have your fun at my initial IC expense, and eventually my OOC expense. You lot called me a tyrant, but til the end I was more forgiving than you ever deserved.
I'd like to dedicate a poem to Kellan / Sayuki as he (in-game, not out of context) reminded me of the emotions I felt when I wrote it. I wrote it back when I was in high school about a former friend who tried to murder me and destroy my life because he was secretly in love with my bipolar Puerto rican ex-girlfriend who made my life living hell, so forgive me if its crude, angry, and of lesser quality. Enjoy.
Title: Wherein Lies The Beast (March 17th, 2010)
Where is he? A shadow, lost;
Not to the dawning insanity,
But to an unforgiving fragment of pride
In his wake,
All bonds of trust were relinquished;
To be abandoned, fed to the dogs
Wings - of blackened angels,
Corrupt was the sanctity of love
Forgotten was all which once mattered to him,
His illusions sustained by wrath
At his heart - lied envy, and greed;
Reflections of failed maturity,
Unleashed by internal strife
Lost it all,
Everything valued, all that once was;
To grasping claws of vanity,
Foreboding his rapid descent
Crawl through the trials of reality,
Seethe at the loss of your world
Look beyond the gaze - of caged humanity,
And shut close every rotting door
See him now,
Cloaked - in sorrow and pain,
Brought by none other than himself
Wallow at,
The sight - of fools' self-pity;
Towards the fleeting,
Dark dreams undoubtedly denied
Dance - through crumbling corridors,
Riddled - with images of death
Look upon the face of long-gone memories,
Their forlorn remnants putrefact
This demon,
Who gazes intently at our hearts;
Descending from darkness apparent,
To feed upon his windblown lies
Lost is she,
The angel he once enslaved;
Forced to do his bidding,
'Til she'd retire - to an early grave
Grip the fleeting hopes,
That echo through your soul
Cradled in absolution,
Compassion - a figment of the past
Embrace - your haven of loathing
Become - the essence of deceit
Dream - of untainted innocence
Grimace at the prospect of demise
Forged from your heart yet so adamant,
Tempered in the flames of your hate;
Imbued with the power of thrice-told lies,
Where sleeps your upheld ego now?
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You both need to let go, and get over it. You're probably sucking all the fun out it for yourselves, and everyone else in your realm. Let it go. Move on. Find another realm. And stop talking.
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I'm sorry but I spent long, sleepless nights religiously pumping out dozens upon dozens of paragraphs of material and built everything Xavax is from the ground-up until Dodger and 2-3 others showed up and shat all over it. I came up with the government, the titles, the lore, the culture, the religion, poetry, a "theme song", realm descriptions, and more - some of which I never even got a chance to share, such as the entire formulation of the Xavax faith. When I'm at work I carry a notepad where I write future RP and lore - I love this game. Folks liked it and supported it - hence my election as King - and then a particular group of migrants showed up and quite literally said "well we weren't here so we don't care." The two migrant waves prior and all those after came to Xavax peacefully and honorably. Only this specific migrant wave started problems. They've been a pain in my side ever since.
So, screw it. I give up. I'll form the faith if anyone even cares at this point but if not, I quit. I'm not wasting hours of my time and a ton of effort if no one gives a damn. I'd much rather spend that time working on my scifi novel. Xavax has been fun, and good practice on impromptu roleplay, but I don't have time for this with my new job. Sorry.
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saw the wall of text. instantly thought 'That must be aurea'
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Battlemaster is a cooperative game. You don't get to dictate to everyone else how things will work. Sometimes they will work with you, sometimes they work against you. Either way, you play it out IC. If most people agree with you, you'll probably win it out. If not, then you won't.
Hell, I came up with a pretty detailed layout for the Sandalak government and RP, and won the election with it. (But lost the recount to Zakky... Grr...) Anyway, they used some of it, and tossed the rest. The people who showed up later changed it even more.
The point is, I didn't get any special privilege to have my ideas universally adopted as canon just because I was one of the original characters in the realm. Everyone else gets to contribute too, even if their contribution is to say my idea sucks, and they want something else entirely.
Also, I find that other characters are most likely to rebel against your ideas if they feel they are being handed afait accompli, and not allowed to contribute their ideas to the system.
In the end, I don't know what happened in Xavax. But if the people there didn't want to follow your plan, then either go with their plan (their ideas are just as valid as yours), or go somewhere else and implement your plan. Either way, plan stop the drama. No one cares about your Myers-Briggs type, and it sure as hell isn't justification for multiple, epic-length ooc rants against other players.
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Battlemaster is a cooperative game. You don't get to dictate to everyone else how things will work. Sometimes they will work with you, sometimes they work against you. Either way, you play it out IC. If most people agree with you, you'll probably win it out. If not, then you won't.
Hell, I came up with a pretty detailed layout for the Sandalak government and RP, and won the election with it. (But lost the recount to Zakky... Grr...) Anyway, they used some of it, and tossed the rest. The people who showed up later changed it even more.
The point is, I didn't get any special privilege to have my ideas universally adopted as canon just because I was one of the original characters in the realm. Everyone else gets to contribute too, even if their contribution is to say my idea sucks, and they want something else entirely.
Also, I find that other characters are most likely to rebel against your ideas if they feel they are being handed afait accompli, and not allowed to contribute their ideas to the system.
In the end, I don't know what happened in Xavax. But if the people there didn't want to follow your plan, then either go with their plan (their ideas are just as valid as yours), or go somewhere else and implement your plan. Either way, plan stop the drama. No one cares about your Myers-Briggs type, and it sure as hell isn't justification for multiple, epic-length ooc rants against other players.
Although I won and replaced Indirik, I still went with what he has created because people liked it. Just that I added my own flavor into it to make it a bit more interesting. If you try to do everything, it won't last long. Let others contribute and build upon what you laid out. Trying to drag a whole realm to the way you want won't work. If your idea is good, people will join in. Look at Sanguis Astroism, Sandalak and Taselak. People stuck by them because they thought those were good and worth contributing to.
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Thats not how it works though. John Dodgers revolt is the 'legends of lore of Xavax' the rest of it is just fluff that will change over time.
I could never understand deleting ones character over things that happen ingame. My character is defined by the ingame tragedies, he thrives as a living breathing character by what makes him so completely imperfect and human, without the bad times there can be no legends, no rise.
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I'm sorry but I spent long, sleepless nights religiously pumping out dozens upon dozens of paragraphs of material and built everything Xavax is from the ground-up until Dodger and 2-3 others showed up and shat all over it. I came up with the government, the titles, the lore, the culture, the religion, poetry, a "theme song", realm descriptions, and more - some of which I never even got a chance to share, such as the entire formulation of the Xavax faith. When I'm at work I carry a notepad where I write future RP and lore - I love this game. Folks liked it and supported it - hence my election as King - and then a particular group of migrants showed up and quite literally said "well we weren't here so we don't care." The two migrant waves prior and all those after came to Xavax peacefully and honorably. Only this specific migrant wave started problems. They've been a pain in my side ever since.
So, screw it. I give up. I'll form the faith if anyone even cares at this point but if not, I quit. I'm not wasting hours of my time and a ton of effort if no one gives a damn. I'd much rather spend that time working on my scifi novel. Xavax has been fun, and good practice on impromptu roleplay, but I don't have time for this with my new job. Sorry.
You can at least rest assured that everyone has that 'problem', although I'd rather see it as an opportunity. I founded and run a tyranny, and still can't force my will every time I want to. Sometimes you have to give up some things, to gain (more important) victories elsewhere. Even with Oligarch's name change coming up, I just try to involve everyone rather than forcing a 'solution'. If you can keep everyone involved and entertained, I think you can set up a great atmosphere. If you do everything alone, others will feel more disconnected. Some will just stop doing things, while others prefer to rebel (which would usually be more my style also tbh).
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In fairness to Ehndras,
I didn't read the full post very thoroughly, and don't know anything about the specific details. But there has for a long time been a sort of lazy player that has really ruined the sort of efforts he is discussing through pure laziness and lack of roleplaying.
You will work hard to build up a complicated roleplay and involve as much of the realm or island as you can, and then some silent (usually second, so thankfully that's not as much an issue anymore) character comes along and, without a word or attempt to explain what they are doing, *CLICK* some button they have access to and !@#$ the whole thing over. These are often characters who haven't sent a single post in the recorded 30 days.
This is NOT coming in with a different set of RP circumstances that hose yours - that's perfectly fair, and something you just have to integrate or put up with. But the use of buttons in lieu of RP, especially coupled with the non-reaction of anyone else in the realm, is a problem.
The part of this that bothers me the most is, no one else in the realm can ever be bothered to take notice or do/say anything, regardless of which side they may be on. I used to put a tremendous amount of time into not only RPing, but opening up 10 different tabs to look on details and make sure things all tied together logically, build things up for weeks sometimes, and then - pffft. Someone clicks a button without even the courtesy of a small RP about why. The last time this happened I just stopped writing RPs, and really haven't gone back to it again full-throttle ever since.
The only thing that we can really *do* to battle this is for ourselves - obviously some of the leaders of the game - to pay more attention to this and tap people on the shoulder with a "uhm, wtf?" when you see it.
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Although, Ehndras -
the game has a funny way of correcting itself. In this case, something I'm not prepared to discuss yet since it is actively playing out.
I recommend you continue the RP in the best way you can. Napoleon had a second empire.
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Nah, no one, your scenario wasn't the case in this instance. Indirik has a good take on it.
Also, Napoleon Bonaparte only had one empire. The second empire was 47 years later and was led by his nephew Napoleon III.
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was actually referring to his return for a second round. call it the "Napoleon Family Dynasty" if you like, then :-) not terribly relevant, but thanks for the clarification.
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Noone, everyone involved in the rebellion were vocally against the Xerarch for a while, this wasn't something that came out of nowhere, nor did it involve lazy roleplay.
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I'm not talking about his case, which I already said I don't know the particulars of.
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I'm not talking about his case, which I already said I don't know the particulars of.
Then what was the point of your comment?
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Of the seven rebels I only saw Grathe Geg and Kellan Dodger publicly speak out against Magnus before the rebellion. Calis S'llesid made it clear that the only reason he joined was to support his lord, as did Jadyn Jaron. Ventes Shulee joined because he wanted all the positions of Xavax to become elected. John Graves gave no public reason at all (and tried to steal tax gold right after joining, failed, and got jailed). In fact I have no record of Graves ever saying anything from my time in the realm. Iuz Vidar Crownguard, the leader of the rebellion, I'll quote:
Letter from Iuz Vidar Crownguard (9 days, 7 hours ago)
Message sent to all nobles of the duchy of Isadril (8 recipients)
Nobles of the Duchy of Isadril,
I encourage you to vote in the referendums. Even it is simply to abstain. Vote your true opinion, not one you feel you have been bullied into or believe your liege favors. This is open to everyone and in this particular case, it matters.
The realm cannot fracture, no matter what. I'll eat my hat before that happens. It is unfortunate that it has come to this where Xavax is hostile towards Xavax and I hope it is all laid to rest quickly. After these referendums are completed any dissent should be laid to rest across the board.
Respectfully,
Iuz Vidar Crownguard
Duke of Isadril
Margrave of Isadril
Two days later he started the rebellion. I'm sure there were talks going on behind the scenes, to say they were all vocally against the Xerarch is flat out untrue.
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Your point being? A vassal supporting his lord is a perfectly good reason, and one that doesn't need some RP in advance.
Also, after Iuz's letter the various referendums were indeed done without incident, but Ruler failed to take heed of the issues and dealt with things both IC and OOC heavyhandedly.
Honestly you seem to just be in here because you want to be on the "right side" ICly, an impossible position from an RP perspective. My point has been that the issue is the amount of OOC commentary by Aurea IG.
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There were also lots of talks going on behind the scenes, which seems perfectly normal when planning a coup. Both the military and diplomatic channels were also aflutter. I think Iuz's initiaition of the rebellion took even most of the plotters by suprise though.
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There were also lots of talks going on behind the scenes, which seems perfectly normal when planning a coup. Both the military and diplomatic channels were also aflutter. I think Iuz's initiaition of the rebellion took even most of the plotters by suprise though.
However, it did not take the characters from Atamara by surprise...things usually don't get boring with a Crownguarth around :)
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Well, you're partially correct. Ventes did want more influence for knights in selecting the holders of various offices and spoke about that. He also spoke in favour of openness from the Xerach and Judge (he really didn't like the almost Richelieu-like wording of the laws). And, he while he was aware that there was a growing group of people prepared to rebel, the timing took him by surprise. Once his duke declared though he followed and announced his support of Iuz.
"It is by my order and for the good of the state that the bearer of this has done what he has done"
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It took ME by surprise.
The question is whether Selenia can actually get iuz to eat his hat now...
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Well, you're partially correct. Ventes did want more influence for knights in selecting the holders of various offices and spoke about that. He also spoke in favour of openness from the Xerach and Judge (he really didn't like the almost Richelieu-like wording of the laws). And, he while he was aware that there was a growing group of people prepared to rebel, the timing took him by surprise. Once his duke declared though he followed and announced his support of Iuz.
"It is by my order and for the good of the state that the bearer of this has done what he has done"
Nobles more influence in voting? You'll have an awesome time @ Vix :P
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Put it this way: At my age and experience with gaming I like to be treated like a sentient being not some drone to be ordered about by one person with their hands on all the levers of the realm.
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Your point being? A vassal supporting his lord is a perfectly good reason, and one that doesn't need some RP in advance.
From the previous page:
Noone, everyone involved in the rebellion were vocally against the Xerarch for a while, this wasn't something that came out of nowhere, nor did it involve lazy roleplay.
I was pointing out that was completely untrue, other than the two I specifically mentioned, none of the nobles were vocal in their opposition of Magnus. Sorry the truth goes against the picture you're trying to paint. In fact, at least one of the rebels never spoke a word the entire time I've been there, let alone been "vocally against the Xerarch for a while".
Honestly you seem to just be in here because you want to be on the "right side" ICly, an impossible position from an RP perspective. My point has been that the issue is the amount of OOC commentary by Aurea IG.
Honestly, for someone who claimed that my first post in this thread was a "pretty one-sided view of it" you've spent a lot of time and energy trying to give the impression that the entire 30+ nobles of Xavax was supportive of the rebellion instead of all but two of the rebels being the lord and knights from one region (the exceptions being Kellan and John Graves), the latter of which could very well fall into the description Noone gave of a character that "clicks a button without even the courtesy of a small RP about why". It has nothing to do with being on the "right side ICly" since I don't post to the forum ICly, I just want to provide an accurate description of what happened for those interested.
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From the previous page:
I was pointing out that was completely untrue, other than the two I specifically mentioned, none of the nobles were vocal in their opposition of Magnus. Sorry the truth goes against the picture you're trying to paint. In fact, at least one of the rebels never spoke a word the entire time I've been there, let alone been "vocally against the Xerarch for a while".
Honestly, for someone who claimed that my first post in this thread was a "pretty one-sided view of it" you've spent a lot of time and energy trying to give the impression that the entire 30+ nobles of Xavax was supportive of the rebellion instead of all but two of the rebels being the lord and knights from one region (the exceptions being Kellan and John Graves), the latter of which could very well fall into the description Noone gave of a character that "clicks a button without even the courtesy of a small RP about why". It has nothing to do with being on the "right side ICly" since I don't post to the forum ICly, I just want to provide an accurate description of what happened for those interested.
Except what you're saying isn't the "truth", it's you ignoring anything to the contrary. You're equating loyalists w/ supporters of the regime, when that plainly wasn't true. Many of the loyalists were also heavily against Magnus, something that should be plain as !@#$ing day to you when my character, the one that's been one of the most vocal, was one of the loyalists because his Duchess commanded him to. I'm sorry, but just because someone does as their LIEGE (and in a feudal mind-set game, that's incredibly important) commands them, in no way means they are some "drone". You can both be faithful to your liege AND be highly outspoken.
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The number of people who remained undeclared until after the Duchess formulated the settlement ending the rebellion outnumbered both loyalists and rebels.
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That's not uncommon. A lot of people in a realm don't really care about one side or the other. What that often means is that the rebellion did a poor job of setting things up. They didn't manage to convince many people that a rebellion was really needed. I'm which case, it's usually the ones who have meeting to lose that run the rebellion.
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That's not uncommon. A lot of people in a realm don't really care about one side or the other. What that often means is that the rebellion did a poor job of setting things up. They didn't manage to convince many people that a rebellion was really needed. I'm which case, it's usually the ones who have meeting to lose that run the rebellion.
I'm sure you meant nothing to lose?
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That's not uncommon. A lot of people in a realm don't really care about one side or the other. What that often means is that the rebellion did a poor job of setting things up. They didn't manage to convince many people that a rebellion was really needed. I'm which case, it's usually the ones who have meeting to lose that run the rebellion.
That's exactly what happened. I thought we still had some days, or a week to set things up. Considering the rebels controlled the army it would have been much easier had we ordered people out of the city. Alas, such are plans...
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I wonder what kind of neighbor the "Duchy of the Red Velvet Kakistocracy of Stegman" will be?
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I wonder what kind of neighbor the "Duchy of the Red Velvet Kakistocracy of Stegman" will be?
A short-lived one
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A short-lived one
Depends on who helps him. But considering it's a hemmings...prob not a lot of people will
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This shouldn't have been allowed to be possible in the first place.
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This shouldn't have been allowed to be possible in the first place.
You mean the region shouldn't be lordless? :p
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You mean the region shouldn't be lordless? :p
Nah, it's only the largest, wealthiest, and tied for most vital city in the realm.
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Nah, it's only the largest, wealthiest, and tied for most vital city in the realm.
Exactly, so this finally gives reason for war. Isn't that to be celebrated? :p
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You aren't in the realm, so I don't expect you to understand. Not really.
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That may be, we'll see what happens I suppose. There are many other things which must play out also.
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This shouldn't have been allowed to be possible in the first place.
yes, when Stegman came all the way over from Aix and the city was still "available" he must have thought, "This realm doesn't exactly have its !@#$ together. This'll work out better than I thought"
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I think it's hilarious and stirs something up.
Whether it should be possible or not.. There are a certain constraints to it already. Vita summed it up in another topic if I recall correctly.
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Just remember...
The Hemmings Attack Squirrels are pure-bred Norlanders, and have NEVER.LOST.A.BATTLE.
Something to consider.
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I think it's hilarious and stirs something up.
Whether it should be possible or not.. There are a certain constraints to it already. Vita summed it up in another topic if I recall correctly.
Well Perdan already denounced it, the militia mostly joined Xavax I think. So I wonder how long he'll last all alone.
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Treacherous militia. May have to go on a killing spree.
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I think it's hilarious and stirs something up.
Whether it should be possible or not.. There are a certain constraints to it already. Vita summed it up in another topic if I recall correctly.
I meant shouldn't have been possible as in there should have been a lord appointed days ago.
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I meant shouldn't have been possible as in there should have been a lord appointed days ago.
Oh yes, definately. We all make that mistake once, I guess. In this case it's huge because it's about Isadril.
Eppy makes a habit out of it to search for regions that can be bought - or at least it happens a lot.
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A lot? It was twice. And when you're getting double teamed by two realms that are individually as large, or larger, than your own, everything is fair.
Besides, leaving lordships open? It's your own fault. Anything can happen.
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Oh yes, definately. We all make that mistake once, I guess. In this case it's huge because it's about Isadril.
Eppy makes a habit out of it to search for regions that can be bought - or at least it happens a lot.
Everyone with a sound mind does it :p
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Oh yes, definately. We all make that mistake once, I guess. In this case it's huge because it's about Isadril.
Eppy makes a habit out of it to search for regions that can be bought - or at least it happens a lot.
He means that for whatever reason we weren't mechanically able to appoint a lord, I think. Not that we refused to. Besides, the Stegman character was so childish and annoying I ignored him. I mean, who puts youtube links into IC messages these days?
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IIRC, new lords are appointed from nobles with estate in the region and nobles with no estate.
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Yup Vita is right. You can't assign a noble to a lordship position unless they already live in that region or don't have an estate. Otherwise you could steal someone's vassals away from them all willy-nilly.
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Yup Vita is right. You can't assign a noble to a lordship position unless they already live in that region or don't have an estate. Otherwise you could steal someone's vassals away from them all willy-nilly.
Oh the cruelty of having one's vassals made one's peers! The natural order upended! *shakes a cane*
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It prevents various abuses. I'm also fairly certain that the appointment page tells you the requirements. If not, file a bug report.
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The only complaint I have about the Buy Region is it is totally useless these days as any sort of in-game roleplaying event.
I've had characters state, "I know you used the buy region option".
I've had characters ask me, "Can you use the buy region option"
I've heavily rp'd the event and still had characters ban me or take in-game action based on "you bought the region"
I rarely even have characters ask my character "what happened". they already know what happened - I clicked the "Buy Region" link, and that's all the effort they have time for.
There is a specific RP message that goes out about what "happened" in-game, and you are welcome to RP that you doubt the story, but no one gives enough of an eff to even bother anymore.
I suppose I could start complaining to the Titans, but really - it's too often, and the Titans aren't quick enough on these things to fix the damage in time.
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Oh, Iuz Crownguard did get banned from the realm and had to rejoin. So I guess he had to wait a week.
I agree that buying a region may need a bit of a rewrite, it seems a bit silly especially as no one besides realms usually have much if any recognized claim to a specific region.
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The only complaint I have about the Buy Region is it is totally useless these days as any sort of in-game roleplaying event.
I've had characters state, "I know you used the buy region option".
I've had characters ask me, "Can you use the buy region option"
I've heavily rp'd the event and still had characters ban me or take in-game action based on "you bought the region"
I rarely even have characters ask my character "what happened". they already know what happened - I clicked the "Buy Region" link, and that's all the effort they have time for.
There is a specific RP message that goes out about what "happened" in-game, and you are welcome to RP that you doubt the story, but no one gives enough of an eff to even bother anymore.
With the most recent update (today), some fixes went live that should once more not only make it possible to buy the region at the turn, but for regions to revolt at the turn and select a noble passing through as their new Lord. This gives the option of having plausible deniability when using the feature.
I suppose I could start complaining to the Titans, but really - it's too often, and the Titans aren't quick enough on these things to fix the damage in time.
And the Titans are not the RP police, so they should simply reject any such complaint.
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select a noble passing through as their new Lord. This gives the option of having plausible deniability when using the feature
I've seen how well "plausible deniability" tends to work in this game. I don't hold out a lot of hope for it, if for no other reason than I would never want to use an option that spends my money & randomly selects a noble in the region as new lord. I doubt I'd be in a situation where I wasn't the only char to chose from.
If people aren't going to acknowledge "Buy Region" is an OOC menu item, what makes you think they'll accept that excuse?
And the Titans are not the RP police, so they should simply reject any such complaint.
If the character is saying, "I know you used the Buy Region", that definitely is not RP, and should be looked at by the Titans.
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There is no feature that spends your money and selects someone else as a region lord.
Normal region revolts now have a chance of selecting a nearby noble as its lord, when revolting to a new realm.
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First of all, please use the "quote" feature of the forum; that's what it's there for.
If the character is saying, "I know you used the Buy Region", that definitely is not RP, and should be looked at by the Titans.
No, it's not abuse. It's simply bad RP.
The Titans are not there to punish people who are not playing the game in the one way that you think is appropriate.
They are there to punish violations of the actual rules and policies set down to govern the playing of the game.
If someone is sending things as OOC messages that should be IC, then ask them politely to change.
If someone is sending OOC spam, that is for the Titans.
If someone is using OOC knowledge in the game, then, again, ask them politely to change. If they don't, well, frankly, too darn bad. Not a single person playing this game actually has the experience of being a medieval noble, and precious few of them even have more than the remotest idea of what that experience would be like. (And I include myself in that.) This is a game, and people are playing it to have fun.
Now, if you're on Dwilight, and people are violating SMA, then there might be at least something to talk about. But on any other island? Don't make a Titan report unless you think someone is actually breaking a rule of the game.
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There is no feature that spends your money and selects someone else as a region lord.
Normal region revolts now have a chance of selecting a nearby noble as its lord, when revolting to a new realm.
Ah, I misunderstood. You are saying the second option is just to get the region to revolt, not to claim it as your own?
Again, though - if the issue is that people aren't accepting that local bureaucrats are finding old documents, why would they accept that the region just "decided" to swap to your realm all of the sudden?
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Ah, I misunderstood. You are saying the second option is just to get the region to revolt, not to claim it as your own?
Again, though - if the issue is that people aren't accepting that local bureaucrats are finding old documents, why would they accept that the region just "decided" to swap to your realm all of the sudden?
The region revolts by itself, you can only push it over the edge by looting.
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If someone is using OOC knowledge in the game, then, again, ask them politely to change. If they don't, well, frankly, too darn bad. Not a single person playing this game actually has the experience of being a medieval noble, and precious few of them even have more than the remotest idea of what that experience would be like. (And I include myself in that.) This is a game, and people are playing it to have fun.
I'm sorry, that's crap and goes against everything we've ever played, since the beginning. Not mixing OOC and IC has nothing to do with "knowing how to be a medieval noble" - it is the fundamental rule of all role-playing games, without which everything else breaks down.
I don't think it's even accurate - I'm sure the Titans have dealt with this sort of mix many times in the past.
Please break your habit of grabbing a contrary view and then defending it with your back against the wall even when it is obvious silliness.
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Ahem...
You can buy a region. There are two methods.
- Immediately. This gives your realm an 'Ancient Claim!' text and the other realm an 'Corruption!' text. It gives you the region or fails.
- At Full Turn. This should look identical to a normal region revolt. It gives you the region or fails (may fail immediately or at turn).
At full turn, there are also normal region revolts for regions with very low control. The new change now increases the chance a region revolts to a realm instead of rogue. There is also a chance it chooses a nearby noble to make its lord.
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I'm sorry, that's crap and goes against everything we've ever played, since the beginning. Not mixing OOC and IC has nothing to do with "knowing how to be a medieval noble" - it is the fundamental rule of all role-playing games, without which everything else breaks down.
I don't think it's even accurate - I'm sure the Titans have dealt with this sort of mix many times in the past.
Please break your habit of grabbing a contrary view and then defending it with your back against the wall even when it is obvious silliness.
Yeah, if you're going to degenerate into insults, I'm done with this discussion.
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Ahem...
You can buy a region. There are two methods.
- Immediately. This gives your realm an 'Ancient Claim!' text and the other realm an 'Corruption!' text. It gives you the region or fails.
- At Full Turn. This should look identical to a normal region revolt. It gives you the region or fails (may fail immediately or at turn).
At full turn, there are also normal region revolts for regions with very low control. The new change now increases the chance a region revolts to a realm instead of rogue. There is also a chance it chooses a nearby noble to make its lord.
He used the former.
Region Lost to Corruption (1 day, 19 hours ago)
message to all nobles of Greater Xavax
Local government officials in Isadril announced earlier today that according to ancient documents, Noble Stegman Hemmings, who happened to coincidentally be in the region at that time, holds an ancient and undisputable claim to lordship of Isadril. They officially handed control of the region over to him and Perdan! Shortly afterwards, the responsible officials were nowhere to be found.
Fortunately, the militia units stationed in Isadril were not so easily fooled and have begun a guerilla war.
So no, it's not bad RP to immediately blame Stegman Hemmings. The event was publicly announced as "Corruption". He's just being a sore loser for making an obvious play for the city.
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I do have to agree with the fact that people place an incredible amount of faith on the OOC knowledge of the options. No matter the RP you put into it.
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There was an incident on Belu with this, where someone bought a region and complained about being called out on it, despite him sending a letter-realmwide saying he used his gold to get the region beforehand.
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Well without an 'RP police' of sorts, which will likely never happen in BM, your choices are either to deal with these muddied IC/OOC lines, or just avoid them altogether. If you buy a region, expect people to call you out on doing exactly that. It's the same thing as being the only noble in a region where someone got stabbed, or cooking the books as a Banker, or what have you.
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Well without an 'RP police' of sorts, which will likely never happen in BM, your choices are either to deal with these muddied IC/OOC lines, or just avoid them altogether. If you buy a region, expect people to call you out on doing exactly that. It's the same thing as being the only noble in a region where someone got stabbed, or cooking the books as a Banker, or what have you.
Exactly my point, which I think is a shame often. I try to avoid it myself. OOC I knew my banker had been messing with the books in Caergoth back in the days, but IC demanded the banker himself to lead the investigation to the percieved corruption. In my view it allows for more fun, but yeah you got to realize most people don't consider it as such.
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Exactly my point, which I think is a shame often. I try to avoid it myself. OOC I knew my banker had been messing with the books in Caergoth back in the days, but IC demanded the banker himself to lead the investigation to the percieved corruption. In my view it allows for more fun, but yeah you got to realize most people don't consider it as such.
The issue is that the message the game sends you about "Corruption!" isn't OOC info, it's IC. And it is worded to make it sound like you in fact should be very suspicious of the person who received the region. Whereas the second way of buying a region has a normal revolt message and says the new lord is *Sir Blank*, leaving some room for doubt. So the Banker comparison actually doesn't even apply. He had an option to do it in such a way where he couldn't be directly linked with any certainty, but did not take it.
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It's fun the first few times. Maybe. But after the twelfth or thirteenth yahoo waltzes into your realm, makes himself a pain in the ass, then runs off to buy your ally's region just to "start some fun", you just boot the jerk to the curb, and move on. Alternately, the guy joins, says nothing, but immediately heads off and buys the region, then sends some annoying message about corruption, yada, yada...
The problem with these features is that they get used *way* too much, especially by some families who make it a habit. It's that one-click action that you can do without any interaction with other players, but you know will cause lots of problems. They just get used too much. Everyone wants to be that unique, special snowflake whose case is treated differently, and whose tired lies everyone plays along with.
Except you're not. You're just not that special snowflake. It's the same tired crap we've seen time and time again. Probably dozens of times. And quite a few people are just tired of playing along with it, especially when you know that the guy did it just to troll your realms.
So, if you want people to play along, then stop doing it every other friggin' week. Make it a *really* rare event. That way people can look at it as a "Holy !@#$! Look what happened!" and not "omfg... again?!"
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The issue is that the message the game sends you about "Corruption!" isn't OOC info, it's IC. And it is worded to make it sound like you in fact should be very suspicious of the person who received the region. Whereas the second way of buying a region has a normal revolt message and says the new lord is *Sir Blank*, leaving some room for doubt. So the Banker comparison actually doesn't even apply. He had an option to do it in such a way where he couldn't be directly linked with any certainty, but did not take it.
The thing is, there's no room for doubt. Everyone knows, and everyone is just sick and tired of being told they have to play along. Especially when the guy doing it has a habit of doing it, acts like a clown, insults everyone, and in general is an ass.Then it doesn't matter what the game says. They're going to disown you, ban you, and throw you to the wolves.
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The thing is, there's no room for doubt. Everyone knows, and everyone is just sick and tired of being told they have to play along. Especially when the guy doing it has a habit of doing it, acts like a clown, insults everyone, and in general is an ass.Then it doesn't matter what the game says. They're going to disown you, ban you, and throw you to the wolves.
That's what I was saying. He used an option that had no room for doubt, when there was an option that could have left room but he didn't use it. So no point in him complaining now.
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I wouldn't have expected any less from Stegman. Too bad he won't be in Perdan anymore... hilarious char to play with, until, of course, he cocks it up massively. ;D
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I kind of wish I had the option to have done it. It could have made for some interesting Roleplaying in Xavax as I'm sure a few of my fellow "loyalists" (like Reyjkovik and Odwella) would probably have supported my claim, while I'm sure Sayuki (and maybe Iuz) would have screamed bloody murder, all the while it would put Xerarch Selenia in a spot trying to keep balance between the two developing factions.
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Wait who are you again?
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I have no clue who he is, he just appeared during the whole Magnus Aurea incident, and still seems to favor that character for whatever odd reason.
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Wait who are you again?
Aramon Abjur. ;)
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Factions are a good thing.
IC Hatreds are a good thing.
They keep the game interesting/engaging for everyone.
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Eh, I could've handled that better ::)
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That's what I was saying. He used an option that had no room for doubt, when there was an option that could have left room but he didn't use it. So no point in him complaining now.
The exact message to the realm is:
Local government officials in Isadril announced earlier today that according to ancient documents, Noble Stegman Hemmings, who happened to coincidentally be in the region at that time, holds an ancient and undisputable claim to lordship of Isadril. They officially handed control of the region over to him and Perdan! Shortly afterwards, the responsible officials were nowhere to be found.
That is an In-game message. That is what your character knows. There were documents found, they were real, they said character X is the true lord of the region.
There's nothing there that says "obviously he bought it".
I don't mind people RPing that they doubt the truth of it - it's clearly worded to allow suspicion; I'm sick of people saying "Obviously you clicked a button in the game to make it happen"
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I wouldn't have expected any less from Stegman. Too bad he won't be in Perdan anymore... hilarious char to play with, until, of course, he cocks it up massively. ;D
Thanks :-)
Stegman is the first and only character who I can honestly say always does the most impulsive, rash, totally idiotic thing all the time without any OOC interference from me. I created a mental list of what he will do in Situation X and always follow it - regardless of how OOC stupid it is & how likely he is to end up at the end of a rope.
I strongly recommend everyone try it at least once. Pick some strong personality characteristics and just follow them, no matter what. I know others have done this, and they are some of the best chars the game produces. It's more fun than you can imagine & keeps the whole game lively.
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The exact message to the realm is:
Local government officials in Isadril announced earlier today that according to ancient documents, Noble Stegman Hemmings, who happened to coincidentally be in the region at that time, holds an ancient and undisputable claim to lordship of Isadril. They officially handed control of the region over to him and Perdan! Shortly afterwards, the responsible officials were nowhere to be found.
That is an In-game message. That is what your character knows. There were documents found, they were real, they said character X is the true lord of the region.
There's nothing there that says "obviously he bought it".
I don't mind people RPing that they doubt the truth of it - it's clearly worded to allow suspicion; I'm sick of people saying "Obviously you clicked a button in the game to make it happen"
You left out something very, VERY important. The gigantic, bold, underlined letters of the title that say this: Region Lost to Corruption. Note that it does not say "Region Inherited by Claim".
See how that changes the very context of the message sent to the realm? Do try and not be dense next time. If we weren't supposed to be up at arms about such an action, we wouldn't have the option to delay the region buying so that it says the region revolted and installed "insert noble here" as lord.
Also note that this was included in the message: "Fortunately, the militia units stationed in Isadril were not so easily fooled and have begun a guerilla war." (just an FYI devs, the spelling of guerrilla in the message is a typo, it should have two Rs)
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Do try and not be dense next time.
Have you ever figured out why everyone is always so hostile to you? I have you on ignore & just take a peek once in a while - every single one of your posts in game and out has some smarmy comment in it. Your character in Dwilight is off to try to find yet another new place to start over. I think you'd be much happier in general and enjoy the game a lot more if you learned to cut it out.
"Region lost to Corruption" - yes, corrupt clerks, I suppose. Stegman doesn't know anything about that - he just knows he was handed the title. Must be some rumors going around that there was more to it than that. Sounds like something interesting to role play about.
OOC, wouldn't be the first time messages didn't completely match up with the game events.
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Pretty much the entire text is written in such a way that you KNOW the claim is false. The tone is "seems legit (not)". Kind of like how you might get an email from a Nigerian prince about transferring large sums of money.
It could definitely be improved because sure, he has "proof" of an "ancient claim" but the "officials" are no longer to be found, so no one knows whom they were and they weren't the ones who were supposed to be in charge anyway? In this case, it also obviously doesn't belong to Perdan due to geographical reasons alone. Not too mention nobody ever inherits titles in this game.
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Also note that this was included in the message: "Fortunately, the militia units stationed in Isadril were not so easily fooled and have begun a guerilla war." (just an FYI devs, the spelling of guerrilla in the message is a typo, it should have two Rs)
You appear to be correct. I'll make a note to have that fixed, thanks.
I would also point out, regarding the wording of the message, that all it is stating as fact is the words and actions of the people in the region.
It doesn't say, "Stegman holds an ancient and undisputable claim". It says, "According to the officials, they read this document which says that Stegman holds an ancient and undisputable claim".
So what all the characters who received that know is not that the documents were real, it's that the officials claimed they were real.
Pay attention to the details. Nuance is important.
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So now that some time has passed, conjecture on why Alara's various allies have not declared war against Xavax yet?
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So now that some time has passed, conjecture on why Alara's various allies have not declared war against Xavax yet?
Because they care not about Alara? I mean, Alara is small. Who really wants to be allied with a realm that won't be useful anytime soon?
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Because they care not about Alara? I mean, Alara is small. Who really wants to be allied with a realm that won't be useful anytime soon?
I still expect Caligus to join in, but they may decide to hit Oligarch in stead now.
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I still expect Caligus to join in, but they may decide to hit Oligarch in stead now.
Why are the two so at odds that Caligus might forsake an ally?
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So now that some time has passed, conjecture on why Alara's various allies have not declared war against Xavax yet?
Minas Nova is one of the deadest and more boring realms I have ever joined. Communication or anything is almost zero. Its led by a group of players from Atamara and its basically a gold farm waiting to be conquered. Alara is not much better but at least they seemed semi-active and interested, the same cant be said about Minas Nova.
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You appear to be correct. I'll make a note to have that fixed, thanks.
I would also point out, regarding the wording of the message, that all it is stating as fact is the words and actions of the people in the region.
It doesn't say, "Stegman holds an ancient and undisputable claim". It says, "According to the officials, they read this document which says that Stegman holds an ancient and undisputable claim".
So what all the characters who received that know is not that the documents were real, it's that the officials claimed they were real.
Pay attention to the details. Nuance is important.
I am of opinion perhaps we should highlighted in BOLD the important words when corruption of region ownership occur. This will in effect help to avoid confusion or misunderstanding.
Why are the two so at odds that Caligus might forsake an ally?
Caligus has 2 conflicted allies at this time: Sirion and Vix. But let's not hijack this thread, let go to that war thread instead.
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Why are the two so at odds that Caligus might forsake an ally?
Well that's simple. Firstly, Caligus traditionally has always done what's best for Caligus and not so much their allies (Which I applaud from an OOC perspective, go Caligus!).
Secondly, they have already offered Vix their help against Oligarch IC (boooooo)
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Well that's simple. Firstly, Caligus traditionally has always done what's best for Caligus and not so much their allies (Which I applaud from an OOC perspective, go Caligus!).
Secondly, they have already offered Vix their help against Oligarch IC (boooooo)
What did you expect, really? :-X
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Ah thank you. East continent politics are still a bit new for me. And while the other rulers have been helpful explaining, it's been difficult to navigate their various perspectives to form my own opinion.
Which, presently, is that the North is so confusing that I'm better served by not worrying about it.
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Ah thank you. East continent politics are still a bit new for me. And while the other rulers have been helpful explaining, it's been difficult to navigate their various perspectives to form my own opinion.
Which, presently, is that the North is so confusing that I'm better served by not worrying about it.
Haha even Wimpie doesn't understand the politics in the north xD
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Haha even Wimpie doesn't understand the politics in the north xD
The North has been in control by Sirion/Nivemus/more recently DSS aka Oligarch/.. Realms I've never played in. So yeah, I'm not totally aware of what plays there.
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The North has been in control by Sirion/Nivemus/more recently DSS aka Oligarch/.. Realms I've never played in. So yeah, I'm not totally aware of what plays there.
Well in all honesty, not all players in the north are always predictable, so we do not understand it fully either.
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North discussion belongs in the Vix/Perdan war thread, this is Xavax thread. Now shoo.
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North discussion belongs in the Vix/Perdan war thread, this is Xavax thread. Now shoo.
So Xavax took over Noritor.
Do you have a timeframe about when Alara will all be taken by Xavax? Then we can move on ???
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So Xavax took over Noritor.
Do you have a timeframe about when Alara will all be taken by Xavax? Then we can move on ???
It may be another week or two and truly depends upon how much of a nuisance Minas Nova wants to be. The first battle laid the smackdown on their leadership though:
King - Minas Nova - Wounded
King - Alara - Wounded
General - Alara - Wounded
Banker - Minas Nova - Wounded
And Selenia challenged King Starfall of Alara to a duel for calling her an honorless coward. If he accepts and wins, the war ends and Alara gets two of its regions back.
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It may be another week or two and truly depends upon how much of a nuisance Minas Nova wants to be. The first battle laid the smackdown on their leadership though:
King - Minas Nova - Wounded
King - Alara - Wounded
General - Alara - Wounded
Banker - Minas Nova - Wounded
And Selenia challenged King Starfall of Alara to a duel for calling her an honorless coward. If he accepts and wins, the war ends and Alara gets two of its regions back.
Sayuki is quietly simmering in the background.
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Selenia responding to Starfall's and the Alara-Minas Nova-Perleone-[and whoever else joins the fun]-Alliance
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Just wait untill my prophecy comes to bearing!
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The Hatred declaration is strong with this One. One ring to rule them all? ::)
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The Hatred declaration is strong with this One. One ring to rule them all? ::)
I wonder if people realize just how strong and permanent hatred is... :P
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But... but... you hate them! Why not make your people share that hatred too without consulting them? It's for their well-being too! :(
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Wait, did Alara and Minas Nova declare Hatred?
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This is madness, from Alara I could somehow understand. But both Eponllyn and Minas Nova at least were pretty foolish in my eyes. Oh well, what's done is done, it can't be changed.
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The end result will remain the same. It will just take a bit longer to get to.
Out of curiosity, what effect does stirring up hatred really have in terms of game mechanics? Does it effect TO's or battles?
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The end result will remain the same. It will just take a bit longer to get to.
Out of curiosity, what effect does stirring up hatred really have in terms of game mechanics? Does it effect TO's or battles?
It makes TO harder of their regions. Not sure if that's only for sympathetic TO or for all of them.
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I wonder if people realize just how strong and permanent hatred is... :P
Hatred declared one way is not as permanent as hatred declared both ways!
This is madness, from Alara I could somehow understand. But both Eponllyn and Minas Nova at least were pretty foolish in my eyes. Oh well, what's done is done, it can't be changed.
Perspective. Eppy's makes the most sense when you consider Perdan has been invading Eppy over and over again for ooc years. Alara and Minas Nova seem more overly-sudden, but I'm not in the thick of their Atamaran/Neu-South politics.
It can be changed. As long as its not reciprocal.
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The end result will remain the same. It will just take a bit longer to get to.
Out of curiosity, what effect does stirring up hatred really have in terms of game mechanics? Does it effect TO's or battles?
Kepler has declared hatred of Evilstani.
Kepler can now:
Use genocide looting option inside Evilstani
Evilstani now has:
Increased cost to use family influence inside Kepler
Increased bribe cost for diplomatic actions by diplomats/ambassadors inside Kepler
Increased chance of scout capture inside Kepler
I guess there should probably be more done. Like a combat adjustment as suggested. There's also quite a few modifiers where war and hatred are the same that could be differentiated.
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I am tempted to make the hatred reciprocal just to see what happens. Never been involved in a war that had that.
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I am tempted to make the hatred reciprocal just to see what happens. Never been involved in a war that had that.
I was, a long time ago. But that had been a IC rivalry for so long (Sartania vs Arcachon). But if you declare hatred also, you'll be at hatred forever untill one destroys the other. Is the conflict/culture truly deserving of that? There will be no way of 'better relations' when a new government takes over etc.
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I was, a long time ago. But that had been a IC rivalry for so long (Sartania vs Arcachon). But if you declare hatred also, you'll be at hatred forever untill one destroys the other. Is the conflict/culture truly deserving of that? There will be no way of 'better relations' when a new government takes over etc.
I mean, they started it. Sure I started the war...but then they had to go and make it all personal. Tsk.
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I mean, they started it. Sure I started the war...but then they had to go and make it all personal. Tsk.
You just made me smile, thanks :-)
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Perleone,
Perleone,
With Greater Xavax you wished to fight,
Where has your honor gone?
The Peasants of Pesh put your army to flight!
Perleone,
Perleone,
Cowards in both word and deed!
In the great forest before our scythes,
King Deklan's manhood wilted like a weed!
Perleone,
Perleone,
So says all of Oc Lu Pesh,
Come back again and instead of wheat,
it will be your soldiers we thresh!
Well, I never claimed to be a poet... ;)
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I'd say it's quite nice, but then I must admit I'm not in Xavax or Perleone. If I had a char there, you would be now reading a lyrical counterattack.
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I'd say it's quite nice, but then I must admit I'm not in Xavax or Perleone. If I had a char there, you would be now reading a lyrical counterattack.
What realm ARE you in? We'll come after you next just to make this flyte a thing... ;D
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What realm ARE you in? We'll come after you next just to make this flyte a thing... ;D
Look for me in Nivemus, if you can move your conspiratorial ass out of GX, that is ;D
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Look for me in Nivemus, if you can move your conspiratorial ass out of GX, that is ;D
Conspiracy? Me?
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Conspiracy? Me?
Those two words mean the same when you are the one writting them ;)
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1 Down, 2 to go.
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You're getting way too confident down there, I'm thinking on going south just to teach you some self-restraint.
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You're getting way too confident down there, I'm thinking on going south just to teach you some self-restraint.
Hey, we're not the ones who started this. :3
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Perleone?
It's spell "Bestrealmia"
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You're getting way too confident down there, I'm thinking on going south just to teach you some self-restraint.
Come South for the Wine. Stay because you've become a loyal servant of the Imperium!
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Stupid healers washed the protective dirt off Stegman's wound again.
That makes every time but one that I can think of that he gets infected when wounded.
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MiNova: You're in our capital. Get out. We don't want you here. You are terrible houseguests.
Xavax: You didn't want us here?
MiNova: No
Xavax: You joined our enemies, declared war on us, committed rape and genocide against our people
MiNova:...So?
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That's their version of southern hospitality and they are disappointed you have not brought enough genocide, I mean hospitality, to their capital?
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Stupidest argument I've seen in a while.
Well, about an hour since I last checked reddit, but still ::)
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xavax arguments are dumber than reddit
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Bestrealmia suggests everyone merge their kingdoms into it.
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Having trouble absorbing neighbouring realms? Apply Xavax directly to crown.
Xavax, you will be absorbed.
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xavax arguments are dumber than reddit
What realm is Kellan in these days? ;-)
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a way better one
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Ah no! So bitter! I'll have Selenia come visit. ::)
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why would i be bitter, kellan is richer and happier now. and lol, no sorry
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Why then Selenia should DEFINITELY come to visit? Richer AND Happier you say? That must be seen to be believed.
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I'd say the problem here isn't Selenia, but the bunch of collateral troubles she more than surely WILL bring along herself.
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Don't worry, you can also apply Xavax to that problem. Just rub it in nice and gently.
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Why then Selenia should DEFINITELY come to visit? Richer AND Happier you say? That must be seen to be believed.
new sig
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question mark?
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(ooc: i can't be the only one who read that we only need 2096 enemies to forge a blood sword and thought "we've got selenia's birthday gift picked out and everything who's making cake?")
Got this message in game and was delighted by it
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I can already hear the groans, but...
Magnus has returned.
After a complete mental breakdown - of which you quite obviously saw the digital back-end - I took a nice break to get my !@#$ straight and put my life back in its rightful place.
Feels good to be sane again.
No walls of text unless y'all desire some RP.
Cheers.
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Battle in Mines of Isadril (49 minutes ago)
Greater Xavax vs. Caligus
Estimated strengths: 18260 men vs. 350 men
Attacker Victory!
I can't be the only one amused by this glitch, right? That's a damn lot of men just suddenly appearing out of nowhere.
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How in the absolute hell is that number even possible?
Guess I rejoined in time to watch the game screw Xavax.
I really hope the Caligans do the honorable, honest thing and park that army until the bug is resolved.
Anything else would be a gross abuse of mechanics, and thus cheating.
Willful use of a bug or glitch is wrong.
If it were Xavax, I'd make sure it isn't abused.
We may be gamers, but we must be civil. :)
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How in the absolute hell is that number even possible?
Guess I rejoined in time to watch the game screw Xavax.
I really hope the Caligans do the honorable, honest thing and park that army until the bug is resolved.
Anything else would be a gross abuse of mechanics, and thus cheating.
Willful use of a bug or glitch is wrong.
If it were Xavax, I'd make sure it isn't abused.
We may be gamers, but we must be civil. :)
You read it backwards, it's Xavax that supposedly has that Han Dynasty sized army, not Caligus. ;) We don't have any nobles in that region that I'm aware of either, that just popped out of nowhere flying our flag and roflstomped a neutral party.
Edit: apparently another appeared in Fallengard's region of Leibo, they're HUGE peasant mobs. It might be an effect of the Light beacon that appeared in Isadril.
Music and Lights
message to everyone in the vicinity of
A cheerful, but cacophonous tune played from the portal as the light shone into the sky. The music seemed to encourage anyone nearby to leave for surrounding regions.
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Whaaaaaat? Jeeze... And yeah, must have misread, sorry, its like... 3 26 AM. I no can Engrish.
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How in the absolute hell is that number even possible?
Guess I rejoined in time to watch the game screw Xavax.
I really hope the Caligans do the honorable, honest thing and park that army until the bug is resolved.
Anything else would be a gross abuse of mechanics, and thus cheating.
Willful use of a bug or glitch is wrong.
If it were Xavax, I'd make sure it isn't abused.
We may be gamers, but we must be civil. :)
How do you know its a bug?
And how can you be so certain that if its a bug, it would be cheating to profit from it.
My character will simply react on it in game, and beeing an oportunist would make use of the situation if he could.
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so did this pull population out of isadril or just randomly clone peasants and teleport them off to war?
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so did this pull population out of isadril or just randomly clone peasants and teleport them off to war?
pulled them out of Isadril.
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It's no bug, not with all the Game Master RP build up.
It's a clear sign from the Gods that the people of Xavax does not get to have any friends on our borders. Because now our peasants will attack the ones we like while our armies attack the ones we don't.
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sucks for the isadril economy, great news for oligarch tho
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What else can it be, when a peasant army is fielded that defies all logic?
Either that or the GM's are having a lot of drunken late-night fun ;)
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It's no bug, not with all the Game Master RP build up.
It's a clear sign from the Gods that the people of Xavax does not get to have any friends on our borders. Because now our peasants will attack the ones we like while our armies attack the ones we don't.
To be fair, my peasants have been pretty much making this 3-on-1 war a 2-on-1. :P
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What else can it be, when a peasant army is fielded that defies all logic?
Either that or the GM's are having a lot of drunken late-night fun ;)
Nah, they leave that for Beluaterran invasions ;D
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Nah, they leave that for Beluaterran invasions ;D
Or the chickenpocalypse of the Colonies
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Everyone thinks Selenia did this on purpose and I am torn between denying it or becoming the Witch-Queen of Xavax...
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It's a way to interpret it. My character does not know anything about what is happening there. Only that your peasants decided to attack one of my regions.
If she has more information, then sharing it would make you less suspicious (could be I overlooked some earlier explanation why all of this is happening though). But as for now, I can play it out like I want, really ;D
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It's a way to interpret it. My character does not know anything about what is happening there. Only that your peasants decided to attack one of my regions.
If she has more information, then sharing it would make you less suspicious (could be I overlooked some earlier explanation why all of this is happening though). But as for now, I can play it out like I want, really ;D
We've been sharing the information. If the generals aren't sharing it with their rulers I don't know what to tell you.
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Or the chickenpocalypse of the Colonies
That sounds awesome. May you fill me in, good sir?
Everyone thinks Selenia did this on purpose and I am torn between denying it or becoming the Witch-Queen of Xavax...
Why the hesitation? Witch-Queen, of course!
We've been sharing the information. If the generals aren't sharing it with their rulers I don't know what to tell you.
It's even reached me, and I'm at Nivemus. I read the horde is about to leave Vix Tiramora, which means that we're the next :(
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That sounds awesome. May you fill me in, good sir?
So basically someone activated some portal stones, and the portal stones attracted a bunch of chickens to the region in question. The swarm of chickens crowded around the portal stones until they activated, and then when the portal stones deactivated, the chickens charged out of the forest for a bunch of people to catch and eat. They were said to be the most delicious chicken anyone had ever eaten, but all who ate them gained random eccentricities until their dying day.
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That... Is AMAZING,
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So you may note I've "rerolled" Magnus. He's a blank slate.
Rebuild him as you all desire. Influence the return of select memories.
Shape him. Help me make him an avatar of Xavax, or whatever y'all feel would be most interesting. :)
Have fun with it ;)
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So you may note I've "rerolled" Magnus. He's a blank slate.
Rebuild him as you all desire. Influence the return of select memories.
Shape him. Help me make him an avatar of Xavax, or whatever y'all feel would be most interesting. :)
Have fun with it ;)
Oh I'll have fun with it all right...
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pancakes, lots of pancakes.
+10 to pancake skill.
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So basically someone activated some portal stones, and the portal stones attracted a bunch of chickens to the region in question. The swarm of chickens crowded around the portal stones until they activated, and then when the portal stones deactivated, the chickens charged out of the forest for a bunch of people to catch and eat. They were said to be the most delicious chicken anyone had ever eaten, but all who ate them gained random eccentricities until their dying day.
That... Is AMAZING,
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So you may note I've "rerolled" Magnus. He's a blank slate.
Rebuild him as you all desire. Influence the return of select memories.
Shape him. Help me make him an avatar of Xavax, or whatever y'all feel would be most interesting. :)
Have fun with it ;)
Don't do that unless you're prepared to deal with the consequences. Like, for real. Lots of disturbed people in this forum, believe me. You wouldn't believe what I've seen, but it's all true. Believe me. BELIEVE MEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
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Don't do that unless you're prepared to deal with the consequences. Like, for real. Lots of disturbed people in this forum, believe me. You wouldn't believe what I've seen, but it's all true. Believe me. BELIEVE MEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
Shhh hush now
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He now believes he is Kellan Dodger.
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He now believes he is Kellan Dodger.
Never heard about him.
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You guys are boring. No one is trying to screw with Magnus or steer him in any particular direction as of yet.
To be fair, I've been afk and in the hospital with my mom the last few days. Sorry for re-appearing then promptly disappearing.
Responsibility calls. I've been in the hospital for around 12 hours now. Mom's passed out in her cot and I went and got my laptop from my car, so here I am. Can't sleep... Some crazy druggie is yelling their head off. Ah well.
Perfect chance to write and game.
Anyone interested in Magnus doing the whole priest of the voice of the phoenix thing?
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You guys are boring. No one is trying to screw with Magnus or steer him in any particular direction as of yet.
To be fair, I've been afk and in the hospital with my mom the last few days. Sorry for re-appearing then promptly disappearing.
Responsibility calls. I've been in the hospital for around 12 hours now. Mom's passed out in her cot and I went and got my laptop from my car, so here I am. Can't sleep... Some crazy druggie is yelling their head off. Ah well.
Perfect chance to write and game.
Anyone interested in Magnus doing the whole priest of the voice of the phoenix thing?
Sorry to read that, Ehndras, I wish you luck with that. I don't know much about Greater Xavax's inner workings, so I'll leave others more informed to speak there.
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The Xavax Imperium is too busy living up to its name, being an empire.
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The Xavax Leadership is basically Selenia wanting to do the thing and Kinsey saying don't do the thing XD
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Guys....
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The Xavax Leadership is basically Selenia wanting to do the thing and Kinsey saying don't do the thing XD
I don't know why, but I can believe that ;D
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::)
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The Xavax Leadership is basically Selenia wanting to do the thing and Kinsey saying don't do the thing XD
With myself or one of the other "insider" noble types pushing or pulling one way or another to influence things for their own amusement/profit, that seems pretty much spot on. :p
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Who keeps putting Kinseys in General positions?
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Who keeps putting Kinseys in General positions?
Why do you ask?
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Err... That would be me, before abdicating the throne, going insane, dropping into a coma, then waking up right after the crazy Isadril pillar of light and RPing as having been somehow awoken by it, with no memory of anything but a burning image of a certain Phoenix...
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Why do you ask?
Because this always happens...
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Err... That would be me, before abdicating the throne, going insane, dropping into a coma, then waking up right after the crazy Isadril pillar of light and RPing as having been somehow awoken by it, with no memory of anything but a burning image of a certain Phoenix...
That's cool. Very 8)
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It's been a surprisingly difficult concept to RP around
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It's been a surprisingly difficult concept to RP around
Those are usually the best ones.
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Those are usually the best ones.
Depends on if it's difficult because of the complexity, or difficult because of the vagueness. The former is good, the latter often not.
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So, now that my mother's condition has stabilized and I find myself with the ability to actually play,
Is there any interest in seeing Magnus arise from the ashes as a priest? Or would I be better off joining Fallengard after we war Alara?
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Depends on if it's difficult because of the complexity, or difficult because of the vagueness. The former is good, the latter often not.
Then de-vague it already!
So, now that my mother's condition has stabilized and I find myself with the ability to actually play,
Is there any interest in seeing Magnus arise from the ashes as a priest? Or would I be better off joining Fallengard after we war Alara?
Leaving Greater Xavax and the phoenix stuff after the epicness of the RP you just described? Have you lost your mind, good sir?
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Maybe the Imperium just needs a D'Espana to keepour RP climate in line. What realm are you in again? We'll come conquer it, and its wine, immediately.
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So, now that my mother's condition has stabilized and I find myself with the ability to actually play,
Is there any interest in seeing Magnus arise from the ashes as a priest? Or would I be better off joining Fallengard after we war Alara?
Go start a Phoenix religion, is time ;)
Maybe the Imperium just needs a D'Espana to keepour RP climate in line. What realm are you in again? We'll come conquer it, and its wine, immediately.
Oh wait. I am sending him over. With wine of course ::)
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Maybe the Imperium just needs a D'Espana to keepour RP climate in line. What realm are you in again? We'll come conquer it, and its wine, immediately.
Currently I have Ghaundan's brother in Nivemus, but Brock has been doing a very nice job in keeping him loyal and attached to his figure. I highly doubt Guldor would consider leaving the realm to go anywhere without Brock's blessing, whatever the reason.
Besides, I am still waiting to read Selenia's answer to the only letter I sent her. You're not going to win him like that, you know ;)
Oh wait. I am sending him over. With wine of course ::)
But... But... I thought what we had was special :(
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Who keeps putting Kinseys in General positions?
I thought he good at war, no?
But... But... I thought what we had was special :(
Yes, what we had was special. So special in fact maybe can send you as our Ambassador maybe? ::)
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I thought he good at war, no?
No, that's not exactly true from what I've seen.
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Yes, what we had was special. So special in fact maybe can send you as our Ambassador maybe? ::)
Oh, hadn't thought of that one. See? Brock's doing a good job there 8)
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Selenia is a feminist with survivors guilt and PTSD. This was established in her character via roleplay RL years ago. She was triggered when Starfall said rape is acceptable. Who'd have thought...
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I smelled it coming. I had a feeling that was a major part of Selenia's character. I, too, am triggered by the thought - as a male sexual abuse survivor.
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No, that's not exactly true from what I've seen.
You can hardly blame the setbacks of Xavax in this war on the Strategos.
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You can hardly blame the setbacks of Xavax in this war on the Strategos.
Declares an attack on a city with fortress walls without enough CS, before we've even dealt with the foreign mobiles? I think I have good reason to.
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Declares an attack on a city with fortress walls without enough CS, before we've even dealt with the foreign mobiles? I think I have good reason to.
Nah, that was Selenia that pushed for that. The logic being that we'll never take the city in one go. May was well attack in waves to weaken its defenses while replacing our own losses with the tremendous amount of gold we get every week.
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xavax is xavax spelled backwards
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You know I wanted the ruler title to be Xavax as well
Magnus overruled me
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no one cares :(
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Heh I remember. I wanted it at first too but it felt like a bit too much.
Hail, Honored Xavax: Xavax of Xavax, duke of Xavax, margrave of Xavax, marshal of Xavax, priest of Xavax!
<everyone else> "...Wut?"
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So, for the record, Magnus might leave Xavax after the war. I need somewhere to start the Phoenexian religion and Xavax - ironically - isn't going to happen.
Unless of course we conquer a certain city... Oh lawd. Realm of the Phoenexian Order? Suddenly, the Xavax Inquisition realm is born from the ashes of Minova/Alara! That would be unlikely but incredibly ironic.
Even more so if it is allied to Xavax but presents certain ideological differences that guarantee plenty of fun and conflict down the road...
As it stands, Xavax has turned from the benevolent honorable empire Magnus dreamed of, into a real powerhouse of belligerent well spoken imperialists.
Effectively what Selenia and I - among numerous others - were planning/ discussing. To my ultimate chagrin. If only y'all knew the plans for Magnus to abdicate to Selenia and found the Phoenix faith. Somehow, the rebellion managed to create a massive shortcut and - of course - Selenia became ruler anyway.
Selenia, did you screw me? Lol. Sometimes I wonder.
It'll never happen now, but Magnus was courting Selenia and the plan was to pass Xerarchs crown to her and create a second kingdom on the ashes of Perleone - with Ibladesh under Veridianas command - something Magnus supported and was setting up behind the scenes.
Never happened of course.
Man I reeeeally screwed things up didn't I?
Throw in some Phoenexian purists and we can really start burning hereti- I mean, spreading love and piety. *ahem*
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Heh. Was discussing poetry with a publisher and realized my half-finished poem "Severance" can draw some parallels with the whole weird Magnus-Selenia connection. I saw a line about a Phoenix and it clicked immediately. So I posted it as a roleplay. Enjoy.
Obsessive failed romance time, go!
Somewhere on the road to Itor Boss, a song can be heard - sung by persons unknown - their identity left to the imagination.
"Whence the woven net drags
And the harrowed wind goes
Sighs the dragonfly - beaten
Does the pufferfish blow
Doth the moon not reflect
In those eyes of golden green
As they fled from the sun
To embrace the unseen
So they gazed upon a world
Burning wreckage marred the land
Thousand spires lit the night
Though she never took his hand
As he dwelled upon a truth
Left in tatters - overwhelmed
Midnight mane - scattered youth
As another took the helm
Of the vessel of his soul
And the strings that bound his heart
Condescending overtones
That awoke him with a start
So he looked upon a face
Smiled sadly - recollecting
Countless nights wrapped in joy
Broken silence ever rending
Every tear from fallowed eyes
Every cry from suffered voice
Every touch so swiftly ending
Every action left a choice
As he stood upon the precipice
Of the kingdom they had built
Holding high above his head
Crown of thorns of deepest guilt
So he hammered at the cross
Bore the burden he had made
Shoulder-ing a hollow world
That bore the debt he swore to pay
Strong as Atlas - there he stood
Ever burning - by the flame
He did set upon himself
As he soaked up all the blame
Lit a match - to cleanse it all
Choked up memories - favored tinder
As he slipped before the fall
Phoenix spiraled to a cinder
Cast away from thought enflamed
By the fuel he did drink
Thus it rained upon his soul
As he bore its noxious stink
Saturated by desire
For what nevermore would be
With spade of sorrow dig he dig
A lonesome grave out by the sea
Until the midnight hour had passed
As brightest stars yet shone on high
He thought he saw a figure cleave the waves
And bellowed choked-up cry
There he stood upon a field of grain
Which ever crumbled with tide's advance
Whilst the somber moon yet glowed on high
As he recalled a final chance
He squandered in a bout of fear
Eliciting a hidden tear
A thousand-man march of blurring salt
That bore the sorrow of his halt
For once upon a time - enchained
In foolishness he'd bent the cage
The shelter of a shattered truth
Blessed vessel of his forlorn youth
As foolish dove he flew from perch
With griffon rage he screamed "Enough!"
In petulance he dared recede
Fell wings of crimson did he bleed
Until the wind did blow no more
He crashed aground so bruised and sore
Evoking cry - so helplessly
Yet master - far - would never see
Those foolish wings had carried far
Away from every blazing star
Unto a darkness yet unknown
Profoundly far from loving home
If only those brown eyes would see
The sum of what it meant to me
To witness first and final flight
To spread those wings and pierce the night
Upon a journey - of good intention
Whose goal his fear forbade the mention
Planting seeds of doubt in coupled mind
That broke the one he left behind
If only he had know to state
To set a first and final date
To mark the moment he'd return
From somber journey ever late
For on his journey he did find
The worth of all he'd left behind
In callous moment of his youth
As he once sought to flee the truth
For but a moment - longer still
Spear-ing heart - upon upheld pike
Until his deepest pain had drank its fill
To quench regret and guilt alike
For he believed he'd never fly
Within that cage he'd surely die
All he did seek was but a truth
Rid-dled questions of his youth
That bore the seed of his descent
From deepest place his sorrow rent
In questioning his sense of self
In Eden he perceived a Hell
Yet as the flames of madness died
Extinguished blaze - from tears he'd cried
A flowing river - in which he sank
Filled lungs with sand - the lies he drank
As fear deceived a boy once lost
Who dared defend at any cost
An image he once longed to see
Of stark horizon - once set free
Yet as he soared beyond the trees
So swiftly fell upon his knees
At once he wished for gilded cage
As sorrow did supplant his rage
He re-alized what he had lost
The price he paid - at highest cost
The severance of "You and I"
Upon the day his spirit died"
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I WAS wondering about that, but poetry is far beyond me, I'm afraid. :-/
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No worries :) Poetry, prose, and music are my passions. I write, paint, draw, sculpt, and generally spend all my free time daydreaming and escaping from reality.
But mostly writing. As y'all can tell from my walls of text... I lose myself when I write. Its a hell of a good escape and therapy.
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*eyes bleed*
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*eyes bleed*
lol ;D oh lordy
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He's on the wrong island. There is a realm where outbursts of really bad poetry are common and sometimes expected, especially in the face of daimon diplomats or requests for gold.
I refrained from more detail for fear that he'd actually show up.
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Really bad poetry? Ouch. It may be a raw unedited sketch but damn. That one hurt.
You want some bad, crazy poetry? Here's a favorite I wrote after 4 days without sleep.
Unbound
by Maximilian-Aurea, Aug 15, 2013, 11:16:13 PM
I stand in the street and look up at the moon,
Which would be pretty fine if it weren't 'round noon:
As I stare at the clouds and imagine the faces,
And name all the voices I hear echoing in my head
I suppose I must mention I'm just slightly off,
Like a blue tangerine or week-old Stroganoff.
As I follow the neighborhood cats all around,
And whisper in silence when no one's around.
I would tell you I'm drunk - but I'm just barely sane,
Mental waves off the Richter scale - to be quite plain.
Its a blast to consider the depth of a mind,
As replete with obsession and madness as mine!
As I prowl through the night with a blade in my hand,
Wondering just how I got this stark !@#$ing mad.
At the world; at myself; at the voice in my head:
At the face in the mirror I want !@#$ing dead,
I digress.
I confess I obsess over seeming alright,
As I groom, in my room, all these thoughts in my head:
As I lay - wrapped and bound - in a blanket in bed,
In my mind, in a thought, in a dream where I'm dead.
All these fragmented concepts among which I swim,
Sanguine horrors, manic-depressive and grim!
I suppose I'll surmise in my poem and prose,
That you've begun but to gradually dip your toes
In the depths of what I would consider the norm,
Commonplace in my world, convoluted and warm!
I inform, its a storm - of a form - in my head,
As I dance through the rain, through the drops I have bled.
As I crawl through the night, on my hands and my knees,
And the whirling wind sings silent songs to the trees;
I lay on the grass, fingering broken leaves,
'Cause I really just have nothing better to do
Late at night when insomnia knocks on the door,
To my heart, to my soul, when I'm out of control;
Where I flee from the nightmares I dread to behold,
When I wish I could cut out the memories cold
I awake in a sweat, shivering and upset,
Guess I dozed, I suppose, for a moment and yet;
Every morning I wake from the maelstrom within,
Just to find I'll descend the abyss yet again
So you see, mon Cherie, why they label me mad,
Its because of these mem'ries I'd rather not keep;
Or these thoughts, never bound by the chains of normality,
Or all of the ticks and strange habits I desperately flee...
I suppose I so often seem cold and composed,
I would hope not to hint at the thoughts I control;
Or the pain that I battle from morning 'til night,
And the soul-burning bloodlust I ache to release
I fight every moment to maintain composure,
I smile while I grimace from social exposure;
I'm really just trying to keep to myself,
Without losing my mind in the process
Pray tell,
Why is it you find yourself sitting right here,
As you march through my brain like you're parting a veil?
Hack away my neurons, the vines Amazonian,
Succulent mental veal saturated in the blood!
Of my friends and my enemies,
Memories plaguing me;
People I love that I wish would stop haunting me,
Words I suppose would be better unsaid
And the hellish nightmares that I flee in my head,
I would hope through these verses you've gained but a glimpse,
Of an unstructured madness I hide deep within;
From myself, from the world, from the ones I hold dear,
From my hopes, and my dreams, and the things that I fear
I assume it'd be best if I wrap all this up,
Like a corpse in a coffin; decayed into mush;
As they say about ashes; to ashes and dust,
And of necrotized limbs one must sever in trust
That such sickness might yet be contained in some form,
In a cradle of clouds, where I bottle the storms;
All the lights are still on, yet in spirit I'm dead,
But there's really - just quite - no one home in my head
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Since you so love to criticize my every word, here's one I wrote for an old friend who tried to kill me. Fitting, I think.
"Sacrosanct"
"What are we but living shadows, mere reflections fire-paved,
Of light once found and love now lost, carnal debts we left unpaid
Who are we but simple men, silhouettes who flee the night,
With spirit held in shaking hands, our faith yet shining bright
Where are we my dearest friend, lost in a haze of your creation,
Where were you when needed most, gave in to the mere temptation
of fleeing in that dreaded night, the dagger unsheathed to answer my plight
What a whimsical thought, that a man like you could ever have carried,
But a shadow of doubt, your betrayal left you dead and buried
What a wonder it is, that it lasted so long in light of your lying.
Not a word you spoke yet worth a damn, not a single oath ever meant to be binding.
Try hard as you might - you cannot quench this flame
The sacrosanct submission, division of heedless blame
One would think you'd notice, how the truth does flee your sight,
The facts you bend thus breaking down - if simply out of spite.
Rid me of your "charm", you know - it makes me wonder.
So wrapped in self-inflicted harm, your every word a blunder.
Get the !@#$ out of my face, you sickening disgrace,
Your self-constructed sub-race of filth does stain this place.
You know what - its depressing, I couldn't possibly stress more,
The effects of your deception more tiring than the moans of a menopausal whore.
This game is now over, your hand played and lost:
I bid you farewell, old friend, for the last time I've been crossed."
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And with that, I raise a flaming middle finger and depart. Cheers.
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bye felicia
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Dear Xavax,
I may be getting you all in trouble in the rulers channel...and I am not the least bit ashamed. 8)
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Dear Xavax,
I may be getting you all in trouble in the rulers channel...and I am not the least bit ashamed. 8)
So what's new? It going to be six vs. two now? 2 vs. the whole damn island? Bunch of insecure whiny bedwetters getting their knickers in a twist over a war hundreds, maybe even thousands, of miles from their nearest border. Just leave us alone and let us tread in the skulls of these inbred goat fiddlers already! We're doing you a favor here, cleaning up East Island's gene pool. :P Seriously, if you just let us fight our 3 vs. 1.5 war to completion you'll find we make good neighbors, if these last three had just left us alone and kept their nose out of our business I have little doubt we would be three rebellions in by now.
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Dear Xavax,
I may be getting you all in trouble in the rulers channel...and I am not the least bit ashamed. 8)
Nah, you're doing fine!
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wow xavax players really believe they are outnumbered ::)
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wow xavax players really believe they are outnumbered ::)
Considering that we're just barely keeping Caligus out of this, and the Vix/Perdan duo are showing hints of wanting to attack us (Vix just declared neutrality), not to mention that our economy was demolished by a portal stone incident and has just now recovered to its previous state. Yeah, I'd say we ARE feeling the pressure a bit.
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Yes, it may be 28 vs. 19 (Fallangard is functionally involved in name only), but we have outside influences keeping us from just sweeping Perleone, crushing Semall, and burning the Black City. You really think Itorunt is maintaining 10k CS militia, a raiding party, AND staving off starvation, with only the city, without outside aid of some sort? If it were simply 3 vs. 1 it'd be over already. :p
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While I love and appreciate the patriotism, Xavax was never going to steamroll Alara. Itorunt alone has half as many people as all of Xavax (Current poplutarion is 50k vs 91k). in fact, Alara actually had MORE citizens before Xavax took 3/5 of their regions. When you only have to split that gold 6 or 7 ways, that is a whole lot of money, and Minas Nova has enough rurals to feed them forever.
Propaganda-wise we make out Perleone to be some big financial backer, but we've no way to verify and Alara may not actually have NEEDED financial backing.
This was never supposed to be easy, but at least it hasn't been dull!
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Yes, it may be 28 vs. 19 (Fallangard is functionally involved in name only), but we have outside influences keeping us from just sweeping Perleone, crushing Semall, and burning the Black City. You really think Itorunt is maintaining 10k CS militia, a raiding party, AND staving off starvation, with only the city, without outside aid of some sort? If it were simply 3 vs. 1 it'd be over already. :p
Yeah now try Oligarch's situation, 58 vs 16, but you don't hear us complaining ooc. IC for sure, but OOC I know that with the way I've played Garas we could have seen this coming. Xavax is exactly the same story, although your odds are still far better. I mean once we started beating Sirion 1 vs 1 I should've known better to expect others to jump in and because Garas had been an ass to Perdan/Vix before (not letting them join the internal conflict) there was only one option :-)
In addition, keeping 10k militia and a small raiding party is easily maintained with one city. Don't forget that once you're down to 1 city your taxes can go up like crazy. We could keep up 40k forces in Oligarch city while still making some tax income next to it.
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Yeah now try Oligarch's situation, 58 vs 16, but you don't hear us complaining ooc. IC for sure, but OOC I know that with the way I've played Garas we could have seen this coming. Xavax is exactly the same story, although your odds are still far better. I mean once we started beating Sirion 1 vs 1 I should've known better to expect others to jump in and because Garas had been an ass to Perdan/Vix before (not letting them join the internal conflict) there was only one option :-)
In addition, keeping 10k militia and a small raiding party is easily maintained with one city. Don't forget that once you're down to 1 city your taxes can go up like crazy. We could keep up 40k forces in Oligarch city while still making some tax income next to it.
I'm sorry, but you are only fighting two realms. Large realms, yes, but that's hardly the coalition that we are threatened with should we not walk a thin tightrope. Add to that the fact that you REBELLED to form Oligarch against Sirion, which meant you began the fight with a seemingly small likelihood of victory, and the fact that Xavax is formed of refugees from Atamara, who were forced there, rather than given the choice like Oligarch was, and you'll forgive me if I don't see how the situations are equal.
The difference here is that you put yourself through IC actions into the situation that you are in. Xavax is being forced into this situation from outside pressures we have no control over.
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Well, Selenia DID attack Alara because Robb Starfall was building a coalition to hem Xavax in as evidenced by his alliance with 3/4 realms on our borders, and an extra fourth in Minas Nova just in case. The MN flip was still one of the more annoying parts of this war. Warchief was initially courting Selenia AGAINST Alara. Then when she declares war, he flips. ugh.
In any case, to your point, no, Xavax def chose its position just as Oligarch chose theirs. We just had a better list to choose from.
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I'm sorry, but you are only fighting two realms. Large realms, yes, but that's hardly the coalition that we are threatened with should we not walk a thin tightrope. Add to that the fact that you REBELLED to form Oligarch against Sirion, which meant you began the fight with a seemingly small likelihood of victory, and the fact that Xavax is formed of refugees from Atamara, who were forced there, rather than given the choice like Oligarch was, and you'll forgive me if I don't see how the situations are equal.
The difference here is that you put yourself through IC actions into the situation that you are in. Xavax is being forced into this situation from outside pressures we have no control over.
Actually we are fighting 3 realms, Shadowdale brings in more force than I expect Perleone to do, but that's besides the point. There was the comparison in terms of noble count, so I threw in ours to provide some more context.
Yes, Oligach rebelled (because in my opinion as a player something needed to be done, although I'm indeed still surprised we are still alive) but that was a concious choice. At the same time, much like JeVondair also says, Xavax also chose its current path. You are right that they were forces to EC (or any of the other islands), but the choices made afterwards were of Xavax' own doing. From the beginning, Xavax has acted extremely arrogant in the ruler's channel (I know, was there when Xavax was founded) and despite ruler changes, that has not changed so much. In addition they were busy plotting against realms, along with other realms, showing that they are a threat to their neighbours. My memmory is a bit vague, but wasn't there an infil from Xavax also in Perleone doing some stuff and was Perleone aware IC that Xavax wants to take Ibladesh? At least, those are rumors I heard IC, so I would assume Perleone did as well. Subsequently, the political situation of Perleone has always been a strange one, but they've had close ties with Perdan (albeit a bit strange sometimes) for a long time. In addition, the Fallangard/Caligus situation remains hot and delicate untill this day and Xavax clearly chose sides in this matter. Caligus will prob consider itself threathened should Xavax clear the south, because Xavax supports Fallangard and Fallangard..well if they'd feel confident enough they'd attack Caligus in a heartbeat. Vix in turn will see it's allies' interests at risk and may consider itself threathened as well, not knowing what Xavax will do after the south.
All those things combined, choices made by Xavax, led to the situation they're in now. Like I said, very similar to what Oligarch did. I'm not saying Xavax is wrong, or should be destroyed, nothing of that. I'm just saying, all this is as much a choice by Xavax (purposefully, or not) as is the situation of Oligarch is our own doing as well.
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Plotting against other realms? Care to give an example that wasn't provided by Alara?
Gabanus, getting real tired of your condescending tone. You mention your numbers, yet it's not my fault that you've made decisions that have caused people to leave your realm. Just because you're ok with something doesn't make it good for the game, you're making a logical fallacy in your argument.
I'm also tired of every single ruler playing the white knight, this is what causes these gangbangs in the first place. "Oh that realm's at war, that's bad, let's go to war with them and gang bang them". !@#$ing every time.
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And on that note, if anyone does see a disrespectful, derogatory, or insulting post, please report it to the moderators.
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Plotting against other realms? Care to give an example that wasn't provided by Alara?
Gabanus, getting real tired of your condescending tone. You mention your numbers, yet it's not my fault that you've made decisions that have caused people to leave your realm. Just because you're ok with something doesn't make it good for the game, you're making a logical fallacy in your argument.
I'm also tired of every single ruler playing the white knight, this is what causes these gangbangs in the first place. "Oh that realm's at war, that's bad, let's go to war with them and gang bang them". !@#$ing every time.
There was quite some talks in the ruler's channel from Alara and Minas Nova and I'm not certain what other realms. Whatever the truth is, I can tell you what perception there was at least from my side and most likely from the other rulers as well. Perception in the end is what drives action. Xavax' arrogance and decisions have led to their current situation, as has Oligarch's. There is no problem in that, but it is what it is.
Now whether or not as a player I think this is good for the game is a whole other matter, but I can certainly understand why it happened as it did.
In addition, we have not made decisions that made people leave the realm really. There are a few which stopped playing BM alltogether, of which I knew 2 were simply too busy IRL. It's quite possible that another may not have fully enjoyed Oligarch but I believe in general everyone does. I regret not being able to spend more time on it these last 2 months, but that's how it is.
The reason I may sound condescending to you, which is not my intention really, is because you have been verbally assaulting any thought I've written down here from the beginning and I've felt the need to defend myself and explain. Everytime I do so, you come up with some other stuff, which I then explain and elaborate upon again.
Even the player of Xavax' current ruler wrote that it was very likely Xavax' own fault, yet you feel the need to badger me about this further to somehow stick with your initial point which basically summarizes as: "Everything Gabanus says is bs".
And do tell, which rulers have all acted like the white knight, because I know quite some who are everything but. Caligus is opportunistic as hell even under Teniel, nothing white knight about what they do and to my knowledge has never been (which makes it fun). Garas sure as hell is everything but a white knight, so is Sirion as a whole these days. And some of the others simply see their own interests threathened. Now I'm no fan of gangbangs whatsoever, hate them, but calling them white knights seem to me rather inaccurate.
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Hey there Selenia's not arrogant per se!...just confident, and never in the mood to swallow anyone's bs...like virtually everything that comes out of Alara and Minas Nova and that so-called casus Belli from Vix, ridiculous. ;D
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Hey there Selenia's not arrogant per se!...just confident, and never in the mood to swallow anyone's bs...like virtually everything that comes out of Alara and Minas Nova and that so-called casus Belli from Vix, ridiculous. ;D
Well your predecessor was far worse, that's true, but still ;D
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Well your predecessor was far worse, that's true, but still ;D
We don't talk about that. ;)
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We don't talk about that. ;)
Makes sense, but it does kinda form the perception of Xavax in general :-X
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Hey there Selenia's not arrogant per se!...just confident, and never in the mood to swallow anyone's bs...like virtually everything that comes out of Alara and Minas Nova and that so-called casus Belli from Vix, ridiculous. ;D
I don't think real life enemies would agree with the other one warring them.
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I don't think real life enemies would agree with the other one warring them.
Doubtless, but from where I'm sitting, Bush's official reasons for invading Afghanistan sounded better than VIx's reasons for warring Xavax ::)
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Doubtless, but from where I'm sitting, Bush's official reasons for invading Afghanistan sounded better than VIx's reasons for warring Xavax ::)
Oh well, the nobles wanted to war you. What do you do as ruler of a democracy? ;)
It's on my 'Never do this again' list though, being ruler of a democracy.
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Oh well, the nobles wanted to war you. What do you do as ruler of a democracy? ;)
It's on my 'Never do this again' list though, being ruler of a democracy.
Yeah democracy can be quite challenging. However be glad you don't have a Fontan style size democracy :p
And I'm looking forward then to the battle reports from the south. Let's see how Xavax holds up.
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Doubtless, but from where I'm sitting, Bush's official reasons for invading Afghanistan sounded better than VIx's reasons for warring Xavax ::)
I assume you mean Iraq, not Afghanistan. Those geography lessons :3
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I assume you mean Iraq, not Afghanistan. Those geography lessons :3
his reasons for attacking afghanistan were bs too, either one works for the point.
most wars are started on flimsy to downright false pretenses in both rl and bm, I put zero stock in casus belli personally (as can be clearly seen by the effort put into westfold's casus belli for the swordfell war).but really no one needs a casus belli to fight xavax that hasnt already been handed to them by xavax.
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his reasons for attacking afghanistan were bs too, either one works for the point.
most wars are started on flimsy to downright false pretenses in both rl and bm, I put zero stock in casus belli personally (as can be clearly seen by the effort put into westfold's casus belli for the swordfell war).but really no one needs a casus belli to fight xavax that hasnt already been handed to them by xavax.
Ok, you're the one making these RL political claims in a thread where RL politics doesn't really belong.
A. You're wrong.
B. Even if you're right, this is the wrong place for it.
I don't care what your personal feelings regarding him as a president are, don't start bringing in current-day politics into these forums, except for the Off-Game sub-forum, to try and "prove" your opinion. It's hardly a 1-to-1 analogy anyways, so your point is rather weak.
I could go further, but choose not to.
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Ok, you're the one making these RL political claims in a thread where RL politics doesn't really belong.
A. You're wrong.
B. Even if you're right, this is the wrong place for it.
I don't care what your personal feelings regarding him as a president are, don't start bringing in current-day politics into these forums, except for the Off-Game sub-forum, to try and "prove" your opinion. It's hardly a 1-to-1 analogy anyways, so your point is rather weak.
I could go further, but choose not to.
Such vehemence! No, my friend. I'm afraid you do not have the luxury of being able to pout, shout "YOU'RE WRONG" and declare and end to the matter. Not with me at any rate. The analogy stands. Vix is attacking Xavax not for any of the reasons they stipulated, not even because they just don't like Selenia. They're attacking because they want war, and they do not want to see Xavax get any more power than it already has. Basically, they're lying, saving face to cover up their diplomatically unpalatable agenda. Like JDodger said, its an old tactic, both IG and IRL...sound familiar? This is a simulator, is it not? The forums are precisely where these sort of comparisons belong. Now all of Vix's neighbors should worry. If Vix can contrive such reasons to pick a fight with Xavax, what happens if the decide they want to pick a fight with us? What's next? A policy of appeasement, perhaps? Because that sounds familiar too...
If it means that much to you, start your subthread. We can elope on our own tangents while the others have fun discussing the game
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JeVondair, please remember that we have a wide variety of players from all types and age groups, that includes vets and those who lost loved ones who might see the comparison insulting. Also, while the game has simulator-like qualities, warfare and politics during the medieval period that this game seeks to emulate and modern times are very different things, so different that comparison is unwarranted.
And I'm not just saying that because I disagree with the comparison. Let's play nice everyone. ;)
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Perhaps I was being insensitive. It's not usually something I let go, but I will tone down.
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Nah wrong.
We did war you for exactly those reasons, which Jeames was stating by heart. The fact that we wanted a war and that we don't want Xavax to absorb the whole south are obvious reasons as well. This does not mean I need to state them specifically. Because either way, you would have disagreed with them, which is normal.
The bottom line is that you have angered the nobles of a democracy. They get to hold referendums and one of them was to war xavax. As a ruler, you don't have much choice but to give in to their demands or step down from your position. And that last one wasn't something I was giving up, and surely not with the tone Selenia spoke to Jeames :)
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Plus, Vix is hardly the only realm to declare war for flimsy reasons. In fact, the reasoning of Vix seems to be quite good from what I've seen so far. I've seen far worse. Also, "I want more regions" in my eyes would be a perfectly good reason for war as well, or a "You did not pay proper respect to our ruler" :-)
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*shrugs*
Very well. The Imperial High Command of Xavax developed a strategic model based on this very situation. It starts with "L" and ends with "enkins"
Let's do this. 8)
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Chicken! Get yer popcorn chicken here!
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Such vehemence! No, my friend. I'm afraid you do not have the luxury of being able to pout, shout "YOU'RE WRONG" and declare and end to the matter. Not with me at any rate. The analogy stands. Vix is attacking Xavax not for any of the reasons they stipulated, not even because they just don't like Selenia. They're attacking because they want war, and they do not want to see Xavax get any more power than it already has. Basically, they're lying, saving face to cover up their diplomatically unpalatable agenda. Like JDodger said, its an old tactic, both IG and IRL...sound familiar? This is a simulator, is it not? The forums are precisely where these sort of comparisons belong. Now all of Vix's neighbors should worry. If Vix can contrive such reasons to pick a fight with Xavax, what happens if the decide they want to pick a fight with us? What's next? A policy of appeasement, perhaps? Because that sounds familiar too...
If it means that much to you, start your subthread. We can elope on our own tangents while the others have fun discussing the game
My point was that modern day politics don't have a place in this thread. Discussing it any further would have derailed the thread (which we are doing now), undermining my entire argument. As others have stated, not only does it inevitably lead to a general flame-war, but comparing the politics of a medieval world with the politics of a modern one is a moot point.
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My point was that modern day politics don't have a place in this thread. Discussing it any further would have derailed the thread (which we are doing now), undermining my entire argument. As others have stated, not only does it inevitably lead to a general flame-war, but comparing the politics of a medieval world with the politics of a modern one is a moot point.
We may just have to disagree there. Names change, people change, but basic political trends remain the same if only in different contexts. I am trying, albeit not very hard, to let it go. But if you want, I am happy to delve deeper.
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We may just have to disagree there. Names change, people change, but basic political trends remain the same if only in different contexts. Comparisons are therefore valid. I picked the wrong one and I am trying, albeit not very hard, to let it go. But if you want, I am happy to delve deeper.
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legal heroin
and also the taliban offered to hand over bin laden at least a week before the initial offensive
all you gotta know about afghanistan
9/11 was staged too 8)
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We may just have to disagree there. Names change, people change, but basic political trends remain the same if only in different contexts. I am trying, albeit not very hard, to let it go. But if you want, I am happy to delve deeper.
Wars under the feudal obligation system were very different than wars during and after the formation of nationalism, both in size and purpose. With the death of monarchy as the primary form of government, so to died the casus belli of blood claims. Not to mention the creation and adoption of programs like levée en masse compared to medieval levies, which allowed the creation of the Grande Armée, which changed how everyone viewed war. Shieet, now you got me doing it. :P
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Well, Selenia DID attack Alara because Robb Starfall was building a coalition to hem Xavax in as evidenced by his alliance with 3/4 realms on our borders, and an extra fourth in Minas Nova just in case. The MN flip was still one of the more annoying parts of this war. Warchief was initially courting Selenia AGAINST Alara. Then when she declares war, he flips. ugh.
In any case, to your point, no, Xavax def chose its position just as Oligarch chose theirs. We just had a better list to choose from.
Perhaps bluntness of Selenia or other characters are what we needed to spice this game up. Whether in Xavax or elsewhere, a clash of personalities between characters, some conflicts, disagreements IC... All these serve up as interesting side plates to the main course. Spice game up or spice the war up, your call whether name you wish it to be :P
Plus, Vix is hardly the only realm to declare war for flimsy reasons. In fact, the reasoning of Vix seems to be quite good from what I've seen so far. I've seen far worse. Also, "I want more regions" in my eyes would be a perfectly good reason for war as well, or a "You did not pay proper respect to our ruler" :-)
Yes, it is even better than Nivemus reason for war previously on Perdan: "to assist our ally Eponllyn" ::)
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Just lost a player because Xavax is, apparently "Boring and Tedious"
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and just an all-around treacherous pit of villainy.
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"Boring and Tedious"
and just an all-around treacherous pit of villainy.
Does not compute.
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and just an all-around treacherous pit of villainy.
I do try ;)
Actually, I had a thought I wanted to run by y'all OOC. So by now, IG, all those little bastards that were the product of the rapes pursued by Alara and Minas Nova have been born at this point. I considered ordering their execution purification. The sheer evilness of the idea would have some pretty interesting RP effects I think. I've also thought about ordering them all brought to Selenia to be trained as her personal adventurers (giving all you crazy folks another reason to bring characters to start playing with us!).
Thoughts? Suggestions? Anything you'd be interested in seeing [more of]?
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I do try ;)
Actually, I had a thought I wanted to run by y'all OOC. So by now, IG, all those little bastards that were the product of the rapes pursued by Alara and Minas Nova have been born at this point. I considered ordering their execution purification. The sheer evilness of the idea would have some pretty interesting RP effects I think.
That would make Aramon turn on you double quick. Hell, he'd probably launch a rebellion against her if she did that. He left Outer Tilog as a kid because of stuff like that.
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xerarchs...
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I considered ordering their execution purification. The sheer evilness of the idea would have some pretty interesting RP effects I think. I've also thought about ordering them all brought to Selenia to be trained as her personal adventurers (giving all you crazy folks another reason to bring characters to start playing with us!).
Both are OK in my book, though I'd love to have Selenia going for the "purification". OOCly of course ;D
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It's probably just my perspective, but I find how easily people use the terms rape and genocide in this pretend world waaay too frequent and easy. It makes my skin crawl.
If there's any other way to take your backstory, I know I'd be extremely grateful.
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It's just your perspective.
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shulee's generation just had less of a victim/oversharing complex
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or has, rather, theyre not all gone yet :-X
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or has, rather, theyre not all gone yet :-X
I'm not dead yet.
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Well, I don't play BM to be an overall good guy, pay my taxes and go every sunday to the chuch, all those are things that I can do perfectly in RL. Rape and genocide, however, are understandably and fortunately out of the question.
Though now that I think about it, most of my chars are overall good guys that pay their taxes and go every sunday to the church. Must be doing something wrong there ::)
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"Rape and kill" and "commit genocide" are literally options in the looting drop down menu. Expect some players to select them. And expect some players to RP that such actions offend their noble's chivalric sensibilities.
Personally, I want those rape babies trained into Greater Xavax's shock troops.
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"Rape and kill" and "commit genocide" are literally options in the looting drop down menu. Expect some players to select them. And expect some players to RP that such actions offend their noble's chivalric sensibilities.
Personally, I want those rape babies trained into Greater Xavax's shock troops.
If you go for that option don't forget to kill the family so they have nobody left but you.
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So there's a situation in Minas Nova that I am actually rather proud of. Any forum members in that realm?
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Whose the new Xenophon of Greater Xavax? I am! *waggles eyebrows*
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Thats going to be a tough job...
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I'm sure Aramon is up to it. Besides, someone will have to replace Selenia
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can't stand the heat eh
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looks like *someone* will have to replace aramon as well...
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I mean, she can't rule forever. As a player, I think my game becomes less fun the longer I hold a leadership position. like seeing others try their hand at it. Let Selenia just win a war or two so her successor might have a leg to stand on!
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you guys are still rather divorced from reality down there i see
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you guys are still rather divorced from reality down there i see
True indeed, we regard Xavax as pastime and a refugee from the dreariness of reality.
How do you you roll in Perdan?
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True indeed, we regard Xavax as pastime and a refugee from the dreariness of reality.
How do you you roll in Perdan?
They be evilz. Tried to kill my advy :'(
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I wish I can be dark knight and having big army backing my words and all, but hey we can't have everything go our ways 8)
Xavax, I wish I can do something to help.
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They be evilz. Tried to kill my advy :'(
They must be arresting and executing all adventurers not of their realm. They executed my paused advy. I wasn't even barely playing but to hunt around EC. Seriously Blue Star family? On one hand, whatever, advies are disposable, !@#$ happens. I've had advies executed before and !@#$ happens. But what bothers me, is its the same people just destroying everything without regard to interaction with other players.
But why is it always Perdan behind this? Why Perdan's players that are such !@#$%^&s to everyone else that you're either Perdan's puppet or you will be crushed without mercy? Why is it Perdan's players that have constant OOC griping, harassment, and IRs thrown around between them? Not even BT's NPC Daimons have torn down fortifications intentionally, destroyed temples repeatedly (there's been the odd temple attack by NPC but hardly concerted), executed advies, destroyed infrastructure, slaughtered regions into nothingness, repeatedly torture nobles etc. There's roleplaying an evil, dishonourable realm, and there is constant-destruction-of-everything-in-your-way that other players don't even enjoy playing with you anymore.
You go to war with Perdan, you will be destroyed entirely because their players play to win against other players not to play with players in the progress of a story. And if they have to, they will lie to your face to do it. It's totally not a game we signed up in a Social Contract to play with others as friends, but I guess Perdan's players bring hammers to their boardgames. Who cares about someone else's experience while *we* are having fun, right? Until there's no one left to defeat because you've driven them all away...and no one wants to play with you anymore.
I once wanted to play in Perdan as that was one of the few old realms I hadn't (wanted to play in Darka but never grabbed the chance either). I advocated keeping the realm alive; oocly i figured some future character would play there. The last year has taught me....I hope Perdan gets what it !@#$ing deserves tenfold since those old players have returned with this 'who give a !@#$ about anyone else im playing with' attitude and went back to Old Perdan business as usual.
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Long rant which illustrates my feelings as a new EC player and validates my thoughts .
As the judge of Xavax I executed two advys on the orders of the Xerarch. I dragged my heels, interrogated and tried to find a way out, honestly did everything I could. One was from Perdan the other Perleone but played by the player of Alara's king. So I was forced IC to execute them, and I roleplayed my character's reluctance as such. OOCly I knew why they were captured though, they had to be scouting and Perdan uses advys to set portal stones. Look how many have got Xavax already. 3? 4? This just fits their seemingly metagaming total war attitude I suspected. Appealing to honor IC was brushed off. Its honestly upsetting, we just want to play our realm.
Xavax is supposed to be a semi-evil empire because we do not care beyond our borders. My character uses torture regularly and steals good when he can. But we are devoted to good play. We have no designs on Semall because IC it's too far to care about. Itorunt was declared part of our de jure lands because we needed to strengthen our causus Belli. And torture is considered legal because of our extensive legal claim system including any persons on Greater Xavax soil.
It's crazier still when I found the ooc ranting about CE and this realm being CE in torture reports. Perdan called upon their superpower ally to interfere in a regional war. Who is CE? I played the prime minister once, I think I can recall how we did things.
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I don't have anything against executing advies. I've executed them here and there as well for various reasons; !@#$ happens and advies are mortal/disposable. My point was mostly the general direction of 'destroy everything in your path without regard to considering hey, this might suck to play on the other end of', especially when compared to either Perdan being given a second shot at life when they could've been destroyed by the continent or compared to NPC daimons who are less total-war destructive on BT. The advy execution was just the most recent flash-in-the-pan. It just seems, to me, that Perdan cares more about winning than playing.
EDIT: And I don't mean to collective every player within the realm. Most of what I have noticed has been since the increase of Perdan's players from returning older types that don't seem to care about anything outside Perdan.
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The problem is really more that Perdan doesn't have a defined long term plan in regards to anything. "We will fight X realm" is about all you get there, everything else is just blindly groping forward.
It is hard to accomplish real goals with that being the case, but razing regions is easy enough. You find yourself there, you loot, you harmed the enemy without needing a real strategy.
While it sucks in the short term it may actually help Xavax in the long run, as all the harm that's being inflicted on them is entirely temporary thus far.
I am saying all this as a loyal and happy Perdan member who likes almost all of his realm mates, but the shortcomings are there and it results in this type of behavior.
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"We will fight X realm"
Literally, lol
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Why Perdan's players that are such !@#$%^&s to everyone else that you're either Perdan's puppet or you will be crushed without mercy?
So who are Perdan's puppets? Care to elaborate?
Why is it Perdan's players that have constant OOC griping, harassment, and IRs thrown around between them?
Actually, my experience is quite different. I think I participated in all recent campaigns and don't remember Perdanese insulting others. On the other hand I stopped trying to RP with Xavaxians because I get nothing but bitter insults from them.
Not even BT's NPC Daimons have torn down fortifications intentionally, destroyed temples repeatedly (there's been the odd temple attack by NPC but hardly concerted)
Wait, what's wrong with that? Sounds like a reasonable military strategy to me.
Why don't you mention certain players abusing mechanics to prevent fortification destruction instead?
executed advies
Pretty sure Xavax is executing as many advies. Only griefing when Perdan does that?
repeatedly torture nobles etc.
I doubt that is true. But if it was, you'd achieve more by spreading this information IG. If our judge is secretely torturing nobles he'll lose his position when the realm finds out.
There's roleplaying an evil, dishonourable realm, and there is constant-destruction-of-everything-in-your-way that other players don't even enjoy playing with you anymore.
Says who? Looks like you're confusing yout OOC butthurt with IG reality.
You go to war with Perdan, you will be destroyed entirely because their players play to win against other players not to play with players in the progress of a story. And if they have to, they will lie to your face to do it.
You really need to substantiate such accusations.
And I don't mean to collective every player within the realm.
That's exactly what you've done.The problem is really more that Perdan doesn't have a defined long term plan in regards to anything. "We will fight X realm" is about all you get there, everything else is just blindly groping forward.
The king has a fairly consistent agenda which I personally find constructive. More so than most other realms perhaps.
Of course everyone gets butthurt when one realm emerges as a superpower. But at least Perdan plays fair by restraining itself OOC, refusing to blot and federate with every other realm worth its salt.
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So who are Perdan's puppets? Care to elaborate?Actually, my experience is quite different. I think I participated in all recent campaigns and don't remember Perdanese insulting others. On the other hand I stopped trying to RP with Xavaxians because I get nothing but bitter insults from them.Wait, what's wrong with that? Sounds like a reasonable military strategy to me.
Why don't you mention certain players abusing mechanics to prevent fortification destruction instead?Pretty sure Xavax is executing as many advies. Only griefing when Perdan does that?I doubt that is true. But if it was, you'd achieve more by spreading this information IG. If our judge is secretely torturing nobles he'll lose his position when the realm finds out.Says who? Looks like you're confusing yout OOC butthurt with IG reality.You really need to substantiate such accusations.That's exactly what you've done.The king has a fairly consistent agenda which I personally find constructive. More so than most other realms perhaps.
Of course everyone gets butthurt when one realm emerges as a superpower. But at least Perdan plays fair by restraining itself OOC, refusing to blot and federate with every other realm worth its salt.
The ability to put your head in the sand is outstanding.
A. he was referring to having to execute adventurers because they were obvious scouts, not Perdan executing them.
B. Perdan puppets are Vix and Perleone. pretty simple actually.
C. I'm getting real tired of Perdan players pulling out the "Butthurt" argument in an attempt to denigrate other players because other people are tired of putting up with their bull!@#$.
I'm glad I went to Oligarch. Sirion maybe trying to enforce hegemony over a small realm, but at least they don't spew hypocritical bull!@#$ all over the forums.
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They must be arresting and executing all adventurers not of their realm. They executed my paused advy. I wasn't even barely playing but to hunt around EC. Seriously Blue Star family? On one hand, whatever, advies are disposable, !@#$ happens. I've had advies executed before and !@#$ happens. But what bothers me, is its the same people just destroying everything without regard to interaction with other players.
But why is it always Perdan behind this? Why Perdan's players that are such !@#$%^&s to everyone else that you're either Perdan's puppet or you will be crushed without mercy? Why is it Perdan's players that have constant OOC griping, harassment, and IRs thrown around between them? Not even BT's NPC Daimons have torn down fortifications intentionally, destroyed temples repeatedly (there's been the odd temple attack by NPC but hardly concerted), executed advies, destroyed infrastructure, slaughtered regions into nothingness, repeatedly torture nobles etc. There's roleplaying an evil, dishonourable realm, and there is constant-destruction-of-everything-in-your-way that other players don't even enjoy playing with you anymore.
You go to war with Perdan, you will be destroyed entirely because their players play to win against other players not to play with players in the progress of a story. And if they have to, they will lie to your face to do it. It's totally not a game we signed up in a Social Contract to play with others as friends, but I guess Perdan's players bring hammers to their boardgames. Who cares about someone else's experience while *we* are having fun, right? Until there's no one left to defeat because you've driven them all away...and no one wants to play with you anymore.
I once wanted to play in Perdan as that was one of the few old realms I hadn't (wanted to play in Darka but never grabbed the chance either). I advocated keeping the realm alive; oocly i figured some future character would play there. The last year has taught me....I hope Perdan gets what it !@#$ing deserves tenfold since those old players have returned with this 'who give a !@#$ about anyone else im playing with' attitude and went back to Old Perdan business as usual.
Damn, and this is Vita saying this. ;) We've executed two Avies, but that was with Portal Stones being used and a warning that said Avies had a history of using them, we're not just arresting every one we see and have a stated rule to not torture nobles of Vix, Perleone, and Perdan (our enemies in Minas and Alara are another matter, they've declared their Hatred and now they can take their chances).
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vita's depressed.
and yes odoaker has a general agenda, which i like. he drives action forward and against the right targets. but without a clearer idea on how to enact that agenda it boils down to what i mentioned.
i do believe things will improve going forward as better balance is achieved in the south and perdan/ vix can focus north again. fairly well balanced conflict across the continent.
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vita's depressed.
and yes odoaker has a general agenda, which i like. he drives action forward and against the right targets. but without a clearer idea on how to enact that agenda it boils down to what i mentioned.
i do believe things will improve going forward as better balance is achieved in the south and perdan/ vix can focus north again. fairly well balanced conflict across the continent.
Balance? Perdan? That's a good joke.
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now youre just crying
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Claiming Perdan puppeted Vix (and Perleone) really disregards the insane amounts of ingame time that was devoted to construct a friendly relationship between two realms. Seriously. There is a certain gathering between Perdanese and Tiramoran nobles that gathers letters and talk faster than half of the realms out there. Why do we do this? Because it's nice. Because it evolved so at secession, that both realms would be friends and that this friendship has to be preserved. Because this friendship is maintain by constant (take that literally) in game exchange between actual characters. As those characters. It is said that a Perdanese King understands the Tiramoran democracy best - because he is the only consistent ruler around and has to convince every single duke of Vix before achieving any progress (disclaimer: totally a saying I only say in my head). But if you wish to deal with Tiramoran politics, and you are sincere, you have to play their game of democracy.
Perleone, we basically marched through. We're now allied though, "I suppose they did see the light" (though we never intended to conquer or war them). Perdan has no particular feeling towards Perleone, except that it doesn't really wish to conquer anything in the South. Other than that, yes, I would agree that from many points of views, we are dicks.
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we're not just arresting every one we see and have a stated rule to not torture nobles of Vix, Perleone, and Perdan.
Well, that's simply not true. Xavaxian judge openly warned Perdanese that he will torture them mercilessly if any are captured. When I mentioned that was dishonorable conduct he came back with something like "lel, you pussies" which pretty much ended my willingness to RP with that family.
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Well, that's simply not true. Xavaxian judge openly warned Perdanese that he will torture them mercilessly if any are captured. When I mentioned that was dishonorable conduct he came back with something like "lel, you pussies" which pretty much ended my willingness to RP with that family.
I'd like to see an exact quote, rather than trust your very biased word for it.
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Well, that's simply not true. Xavaxian judge openly warned Perdanese that he will torture them mercilessly if any are captured. When I mentioned that was dishonorable conduct he came back with something like "lel, you pussies" which pretty much ended my willingness to RP with that family.
I'm the judge of Xavax. Hi.
As issued to the Perdanese criminals in urbs Xavacis.
Letter from Godric Tórrarin
Message sent to everyone in the region Xavax (19 recipients)
Perdanese,
You are are charged with subversion of the Xerarch, inciting treason, and supporting treason. You are also charged with dishonourable conduct in violation of the Codex Legibus Xavacis in regards to your association with the rapists and murderers of Itorunt and Semall. For all charges you are found guilty facing penalty of blinding and permanent expulsion from Greater Xavax. This is binding arbitration and cannot be appealed. Resistance to expulsion will be met with deadly force with no chance for claims of wergelds or otherwise.
The role of the Arbiter is to issue judgements in the name of the Xerarch. The role is also fundamental in promoting the good graces of nobility and dignity amongst the gentry and patricii. It is not often I issue comments alongside my arbitration.
Perdanese, ask yourselves, why am I here? Why have I traveled the continent to fight in a foreign land? The Imperium is only concerned with Greater Xavax. The rapists and murderers of the west insulted and conspired against us. Accordingly, the Imperium defended Greater Xavax as per its mandate. Perdanese, are you the friends and allies of rapists and murderers? The assorted filth who claim to rule out of Itorunt and the squalid hill nobility and dirt farmers of Semall? Five armies clamor to attack the Imperium, who by its laws and ways of life, are only concerned with its internal politics and lands. What is accomplished here? The rapists and murderers of Itorunt will not have their thirst quenched after our light is extinguished. The dirt farmers of Semall will not be content with their new holdings, having tasted civility and grace. Next they will come for you.
Hail,
Godric Warbornsson Tórrarin
Arbiter of Greater Xavax
This is what I sent. I issue threats and warnings to enemy combatants to scare them, dissuade them, make them more pliable when I "negotiate". Because you fully believe I will follow through on my threats. Never mind the Xerarch outlawed torture on any enemy combatants but infiltrators. Mission accomplished there. For everyone wondering, this was the exchange.
Letter from Caspian Flambard (6 days, 1 hour ago)
Message sent to everyone in the region Xavax (19 recipients)
Lord Arbiter,
It is hard to take seriously a judgement one can not enforce. But your malign character have been noted. It is ironic how you keep vilifying your foe's soldiers for raping some peasants but have apparently no qualms personally threatening torture and maiming upon the foreign nobility.
Caspian Flambard
Knight of Perdan
A nobody questions my willingness to follow through. I respond with i don't care if it hurts your feelings. IC, you are criminals and criminals are tortured and maimed in Xavax.
Letter from Torxanib Godric Tórrarin ka Habb (6 days, 1 hour ago)
Message sent to everyone in the region Xavax (18 recipients)
Sir Flambard, Knight of Perdan,
In one sentence you seem to belittle me, the next reveals your heart. You have committed crimes against the Imperium and if apprehended will face the penalties. Does that not make sense? You are not marching here over a dispute between our sovereigns, you come to commit crimes. Of course you will face torture and maiming if the arbitration judges such. Your grasp of logic cannot be so absurd as to not realize this is just. And if your heart bleeds and your lip trembles then you are no warrior of worth and your Saga will fade away.
The rebel leader Starfall was offered arbitration to his quarrel that settled both his concerns and his destruction of our property. In the face of justice and nobility he spat and refused to duel the Xerarch.
Hail,
Torxanib Godric Tórrarin ka Habb
Arbiter of Greater Xavax
But this upsets you further.
Letter from Caspian Flambard (6 days ago)
Message sent to everyone in the region Xavax (18 recipients)
Lord Arbiter,
I am sorry if my words wounded you, it was not my intention. But I only stated the truth and my logic is perfect.
If you are willing to stoop to torturing noblemen, you are much viler than those you call rapists who only inflicted harm upon peasants.
Caspian Flambard
Knight of Perdan
And I treat the nobody foreign invader from a superpower crying that we are not being fair as is deserved. With derision and contempt.
Letter from Torxanib Godric Tórrarin ka Habb (6 days ago)
Message sent to everyone in the region Xavax (18 recipients)
Sir Flambard,
Then the Lions of Perdan have thrown a cub to me, mewling his distaste at the realities of war and battle. Perhaps you'd prefer a bowl of warm milk?
You waste my time.
Hail,
Torxanib Godric Tórrarin ka Habb
Arbiter of Greater Xavax
To paraphrase your next words, "no u"
Letter from Caspian Flambard (6 days ago)
Message sent to everyone in the region Xavax (18 recipients)
Ser Torxanib,
I am saddened to see you decided to add dishonourable conduct to hypocricy.
I will not waste your time further.
Caspian Flambard
Knight of Perdan
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one, ic messages aren't supposed to be posted in these local forums.
two, no one cares
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I know what I wrote to you and what your wrote to me. Why break forum rules and copy those messages here? Just to show everyone how good you are at being toxic and insulting?
Well, it's never surprising to find out uncouth characters are being played by likewise abrasive players.
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one, ic messages aren't supposed to be posted in these local forums.
two, no one cares
Three, that was obviously for GundamMerc's benefit, as he asked for an extact quote.
Four, no one cares what you think either Dodger, let the mod team do their job. If they think it needs to be removed, it will be. Your vitriolic posts and backseat moderation isn't necessary, regardless of how much you think it is.
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I know what I wrote to you and what your wrote to me. Why break forum rules and copy those messages here? Just to show everyone how good you are at being toxic and insulting?
Well, it's never surprising to find out uncouth characters are being played by likewise abrasive players.
so wait, you're upset because his character wasn't playing nice with yours? Why am I not surprised that a Perdan player is unable to seperate IC and OOC?
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Everyone, please take it down a notch or two.
If this type of out-of-character sniping continues, this thread will be locked.
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Three, that was obviously for GundamMerc's benefit, as he asked for an extact quote.
Yes, one quote. Not the entire IC exchange spiced up with snide insulting remarks.
so wait, you're upset because his character wasn't playing nice with yours? Why am I not surprised that a Perdan player is unable to seperate IC and OOC?
I am upset because several players find it difficult to talk to opposing players in a civil and amiable way even OOC. I am pretty sure I am not the one unable to separate IC from OOC here.
You specifically need to realize this lest you end up starting another repentance thread.
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Yes, one quote. Not the entire IC exchange spiced up with snide insulting remarks.
Because the entire exchange reveals that it wasn't me being rude or crass, it was the judge of a realm dealing with a foreign criminal. And to say I'm snide when your realm has been shouting butthurt at everyone? I said you're upset and I painted a strawman-esque paraphrasing. Which was rather apt I might add.
I am upset because several players find it difficult to talk to opposing players in a civil and amiable way even OOC. I am pretty sure I am not the one unable to separate IC from OOC here.
You specifically need to realize this lest you end up starting another repentance thread.
Let me find every time you referred to Xavax as butthurt. I'll also refer to when you said I play useless meaningless throwaway characters.
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Because the entire exchange reveals that it wasn't me being rude or crass,
It does exactly the opposite and you successfully doubled down.
it was the judge of a realm dealing with a foreign criminal.
Unless you somehow changed the law to state that declaring war upon Xavax is a crime, you're obviously making stuff up.
And to say I'm snide when your realm has been shouting butthurt at everyone?
Just Vita. And only after his ad hominem attacks on all Perdan's players. That's something we shouldn't tolerate here.
I said you're upset and I painted a strawman-esque paraphrasing. Which was rather apt I might add.
You toss in a few veiled insults and think you're classy. Whatever floats your boat.
I'll also refer to when you said I play useless meaningless throwaway characters.
That's unlikely. I have no idea who you are.
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That's unlikely. I have no idea who you are.
Let me refresh your memory.
Indeed. There's a big difference between throwaway characters who's value to a player and the game is exactly zero so they constantly want to duel everyone to boost their ego and characters with a lot of time and effort invested in them who actually mean something and whose lives are actually valuable.
Can you imagine Edward III dueling some random French knight because the latter got butthurt over a lost battle? Yeah, because that's stupid even to imagine.
From East Continent Concerns About Xavax and Perdan (http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,7118.msg149949/topicseen.html#msg149949) something both myself and BarticaBoat called you out on at the time and happened only earlier this month.
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Oh, that was him? Yeah, I still stand by that statement.
Just don't try to misinterpret it. When you don't care if your character lives or dies (which he admitted was the case in that same thread) and play him accordingly, it's a definition of a throwaway character.
Everything I said in both this and that threads is apparently spot on.
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Oh, that was him? Yeah, I still stand by that statement.
Just don't try to misinterpret it. When you don't care if your character lives or dies (which he admitted was the case in that same thread) and play him accordingly, it's a definition of a throwaway character.
Everything I said in both this and that threads is apparently spot on.
If by spot on you mean like a horse with blinders, I agree.
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(http://cdn.memegenerator.es/imagenes/memes/full/22/74/22743921.jpg)
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so every hero is a throwaway char, duly noted
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If by spot on you mean like a horse with blinders, I agree.
A horse wearing blinders can at least see the path before it GundamMerc, our dear Constantine here seems set on blazing his own trail, reality be damned.
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You were warned, but apparently you just can't help yourselves.
Thread locked. Don't start a new one just to rehash this.