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Title: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Zakilevo on January 27, 2016, 08:53:32 PM
It is getting pretty good. >:D
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Gabanus family on January 27, 2016, 09:20:26 PM
It is getting pretty good. >:D

Do tell! We just see the battle reports
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Zakilevo on January 27, 2016, 10:29:47 PM
I embarrassed myself. I was telling everyone Eponllyn and Nivemus had no balls to attack us in Brive. They nearly kicked mine. Whew~
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Ketchum on January 28, 2016, 02:13:07 AM
I embarrassed myself. I was telling everyone Eponllyn and Nivemus had no balls to attack us in Brive. They nearly kicked mine. Whew~
Nivemus has balls. But my character Brock is looking to a perfect timing to declare war. Won't it be so nice to declare war and attack at the precise time before Brive TakeOver conclude, just to annoy the other nobles from the opposite side? 8)

Ow, I lost my Ancient Book of Rancagua due to that wounding. Who that brave to wound Nivemus King? >:(
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Indirik on January 28, 2016, 04:57:39 AM
Maybe the same guy that got me? Lots of wounds in that battle.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Zakilevo on January 28, 2016, 06:01:00 AM
Two of Vix's nobles wounded 3 enemies each. Crazy people... I wounded none despite hitting 1k hits per round.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Gabanus family on January 29, 2016, 11:34:39 AM
Two of Vix's nobles wounded 3 enemies each. Crazy people... I wounded none despite hitting 1k hits per round.

That's because you're just showering people with your hits, rather than actually aiming :-)
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Wimpie on January 29, 2016, 01:12:55 PM
Only managed to wound one, was neither of you guys though.

Good battle though, I've enjoyed it. Interesting times ahead. ;)
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Noone you know on January 30, 2016, 11:27:48 AM
This should be more exciting now that the Nivvies have joined with the rebels.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Wimpie on February 01, 2016, 04:55:52 PM
Eppylon sure stalled long enough for us almost to be late  8)
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Gabanus family on February 01, 2016, 05:47:38 PM
Eppylon sure stalled long enough for us almost to be late  8)

Still can't quite well get their name right can you Wimpie :)
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Wimpie on February 01, 2016, 06:49:10 PM
Well, to be honest:

I used to call them Eppylon, because I genuinly thought that was their name. Then I learnt (when talking to Ethan on IRC) that it actually isn't Eppylon but Epponllyn ;D And that was just last week or so..

But I keep using Eppylon 'cause that's how I call them! But mostly it's Eppy though.  ;)
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: GundamMerc on February 01, 2016, 08:13:26 PM
Well, to be honest:

I used to call them Eppylon, because I genuinly thought that was their name. Then I learnt (when talking to Ethan on IRC) that it actually isn't Eppylon but Epponllyn ;D And that was just last week or so..

But I keep using Eppylon 'cause that's how I call them! But mostly it's Eppy though.  ;)

The funny thing is you still didn't spell it right. It's Eponllyn. :3
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Wimpie on February 01, 2016, 09:15:52 PM
See, I just dislike the realm that hard!
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Gabanus family on February 01, 2016, 11:11:18 PM
And yet they still hold Perdan City. Good luck with that one now that Nivemus joined ;)
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Wimpie on February 02, 2016, 09:29:19 AM
I don't think anyone claimed that we were taking Perdan City.

Also, it is obviously too heavily defend for a realm to ever take it, I guess. Sieges are rather rare nowadays, with less and less players.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Zakilevo on February 02, 2016, 10:35:55 AM
I don't think anyone claimed that we were taking Perdan City.

Also, it is obviously too heavily defend for a realm to ever take it, I guess. Sieges are rather rare nowadays, with less and less players.

Yep. It is pretty difficult to siege a city. Can't do it with one realm for sure if the city is well guarded. Also, there aren't that many options until Anaris' WIP is done. Maybe then, we can sack cities like the old days but until then, you won't see too many sieges.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Gabanus family on February 02, 2016, 01:00:33 PM
I don't think anyone claimed that we were taking Perdan City.

Also, it is obviously too heavily defend for a realm to ever take it, I guess. Sieges are rather rare nowadays, with less and less players.

I meant it more as in the wealth that it provides and prob some strong RC's as well. With Perdan as capital, Eponllyn is still a most dangerous foe.

City sieges are extremely difficult indeed, although sometimes we just have to try ;-)
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Wimpie on February 02, 2016, 02:04:00 PM
I meant it more as in the wealth that it provides and prob some strong RC's as well. With Perdan as capital, Eponllyn is still a most dangerous foe.

City sieges are extremely difficult indeed, although sometimes we just have to try ;-)

Or just plant a spy Duke there and secede, muahahahah  ;D
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: JDodger on February 02, 2016, 10:59:33 PM
People are so scared of sieges these days
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: DeVerci on February 02, 2016, 11:13:48 PM
I think a big issue is what a lot of people consider a siege is actually just an outright attack on a castle in game. The closest thing we have to actually besieging a city right now is to capture all of the regions around it to try and starve them out or force a surrender. While this would involve a lot of marching back and forth,  sieges were not meant to be a one day event with storming the walls.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Noone you know on February 03, 2016, 11:00:36 AM
unfortunately, you can't starve them out anymore, so their are no real seiges
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: jaune on February 03, 2016, 11:07:32 AM
Well, they will run out of gold at some point... :) Except that they just recieved people from Atamara with 10k gold on their pockets and they can chill in the city few years :)

-Jaune
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Gabanus family on February 03, 2016, 01:07:37 PM
Well, they will run out of gold at some point... :) Except that they just recieved people from Atamara with 10k gold on their pockets and they can chill in the city few years :)

-Jaune

Depends on the city. If you hold Perdan City, you'll manage to survive for quite a while. Much like Oligarch City.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: jaune on February 03, 2016, 01:50:14 PM
You dont field very long times big army with 1 city income. Especially if they need to tune down food ratio which causes city production and stats to get down. It is more dependable how much gold they have stocked.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Gabanus family on February 03, 2016, 04:15:46 PM
You dont field very long times big army with 1 city income. Especially if they need to tune down food ratio which causes city production and stats to get down. It is more dependable how much gold they have stocked.

Depending on how large an army it needs to be, but with a bit of money stored and some realms willing to sell you food, you'll be fine in the larger cities. But even with the 32k militia and 8k mobile or so, Oligarch was still making a profit.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Zakilevo on February 03, 2016, 06:47:19 PM
Oligarch could have supported about 20k more on top of 32k.

It was generating that much income. I think it was generating about 4~5k with the maximum tax rate. So at the end, the city could have held 60k CS in total. That is pretty hard to beat.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Ketchum on February 05, 2016, 07:50:26 AM
Oligarch could have supported about 20k more on top of 32k.

It was generating that much income. I think it was generating about 4~5k with the maximum tax rate. So at the end, the city could have held 60k CS in total. That is pretty hard to beat.
Ohmy. I should ask Nivemus get Oligarch city last time as spoil for that last war :(
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Zakilevo on February 05, 2016, 08:08:04 AM
Ohmy. I should ask Nivemus get Oligarch city last time as spoil for that last war :(

That was what Neji asked of me when I was Sirion's PM. I promised him that too but the council went nuts on me especially Ecthelion. Look at how that turned out. What a disaster. Too much greed I say. Too bad Neji stopped playing when Nivemus started to lose regions. He was pretty upset. Well we won the war ^^
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Gabanus family on February 05, 2016, 09:49:16 AM
Ohmy. I should ask Nivemus get Oligarch city last time as spoil for that last war :(

Uhm in fact Nivemus did ask Oligarch, or at least propose the solution when we were discussing the terms for Perdan's surrender. Then the Sirionite council went bezerk over it. Garas was probably the biggest opponent against this, since he was expecting to claim Oligarch once the city was returned to Sirion :p
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Indirik on February 05, 2016, 04:20:59 PM
Nivemus had some pretty grasping demands at the end of that war. One proposal even had them claiming both Oligarch and Westmoor. Eventually even their ruler got sick of the demands that the people if Nivemus were making and stepped back from the negotiations, basically taking whatever they were given. (They did get a good deal, too.)
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Gabanus family on February 05, 2016, 04:33:18 PM
Nivemus had some pretty grasping demands at the end of that war. One proposal even had them claiming both Oligarch and Westmoor. Eventually even their ruler got sick of the demands that the people if Nivemus were making and stepped back from the negotiations, basically taking whatever they were given. (They did get a good deal, too.)

Actually I'm pretty sure that Nivemus was offered Westmoor, but they declined because they didn't have the nobles to manage it and they tried to use their refusal of Westmoor to gain Oligarch. Ultmately they gained almost no lands I think...
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Indirik on February 05, 2016, 05:03:13 PM
Yes, one of the plans offered them everything north of the river, if eponllyn got Perdan and Partora. They responded with something like "OK, but we want Bescanon, too, so we can fortify our southern border. We know it would be adjacent to your capital, but that's your problem".

Thing is, Nivemus really wanted Perdan city to start a new colony. When it became apparent they weren't going to get it, all kinds of weird plans got tossed around.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Gabanus family on February 05, 2016, 05:15:01 PM
Yes, one of the plans offered them everything north of the river, if eponllyn got Perdan and Partora. They responded with something like "OK, but we want Bescanon, too, so we can fortify our southern border. We know it would be adjacent to your capital, but that's your problem".

Thing is, Nivemus really wanted Perdan city to start a new colony. When it became apparent they weren't going to get it, all kinds of weird plans got tossed around.

Haha yeah I remember those times. Don't think they were too happy with Garin and Garas shooting down the colony plans :p
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Indirik on February 06, 2016, 02:25:32 AM
I kind of expected a follow-on Eponllyn/Nivemus war. But instead Nivemus just retreated home and went catatonic.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Gabanus family on February 06, 2016, 07:28:16 PM
I kind of expected a follow-on Eponllyn/Nivemus war. But instead Nivemus just retreated home and went catatonic.

Yeah think they realized that Eponllyn is stronger than Nivemus once Perdan City is under controll. Nivemus' lands are nice bread baskets, but not much more :p
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: NireusD.Natalle on February 09, 2016, 06:39:47 AM
So which realm should my char join.. Perdan or Vix?
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Zakilevo on February 09, 2016, 06:46:04 AM
So which realm should my char join.. Perdan or Vix?

Vix my friend :D

To be fair it is up to you.

Do you like a traditional kingdom? Then Perdan. Do you like a democracy controlled by three houses? Vix. It depends on what you like.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Gabanus family on February 09, 2016, 12:24:58 PM
So which realm should my char join.. Perdan or Vix?

Neither :p
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Wimpie on February 09, 2016, 12:54:34 PM
So which realm should my char join.. Perdan or Vix?

Either one will mean you'll be on the winning side.. for now at least.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Indirik on February 09, 2016, 04:58:53 PM
It really depends on how you want to be perceived. If you want to be seen as a dishonorable, gang-banging, blood crazed, oath breaker, it really doesn't matter. Join either one.

If you want to be an honorable noble who sticks to his word and oath, and will stand by his friends even in the face of insurmountable odds, you'll join Eponllyn. ;)
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Vita` on February 09, 2016, 06:00:42 PM
Want it easy? Join Vix/Perdan!
Want a challenge? Join Eponllyn
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on February 09, 2016, 07:31:39 PM
I'm back... as Brazilians use to say, the year begin after the Carnaval.

While I'm enjoying Oligarch... and it's easy when you are too close to Sirion, if Garas open the borders, I will join Vix again. Or anyone offering a chance to burn Sirion. Maybe Nivemus, while I really don't care with them.

I conquered the north, now let's burn it!  8)

Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Zakilevo on February 09, 2016, 07:48:22 PM
I'm back... as Brazilians use to say, the year begin after the Carnaval.

While I'm enjoying Oligarch... and it's easy when you are too close to Sirion, if Garas open the borders, I will join Vix again. Or anyone offering a chance to burn Sirion. Maybe Nivemus, while I really don't care with them.

I conquered the north, now let's burn it!  8)

Perdan wants to burn everything.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on February 09, 2016, 07:51:28 PM
Well, they have... reasons. I already like them, even while they are still far and Oligarch so close.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Gabanus family on February 09, 2016, 09:59:25 PM
I'm back... as Brazilians use to say, the year begin after the Carnaval.

While I'm enjoying Oligarch... and it's easy when you are too close to Sirion, if Garas open the borders, I will join Vix again. Or anyone offering a chance to burn Sirion. Maybe Nivemus, while I really don't care with them.

I conquered the north, now let's burn it!  8)

And here's me thinking our war with Sirion continues untill Ecthelion agrees to the terms (which is prob never).
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on February 09, 2016, 10:05:15 PM
Never.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Noone you know on February 10, 2016, 10:45:08 AM
And here's me thinking our war with Sirion continues untill Ecthelion agrees to the terms (which is prob never).

well, he's 117 years old and if rumors are correct, magical scorpions inserted themselves into his eyeballs and ate their way to his heart, putting him in critical condition. no idea how it happened  :-X

that's about as close to "never" as you can get, methinks

Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Gabanus family on February 11, 2016, 10:10:08 AM
Never.

It seems you've got nothing to worry about anymore. Why would you duel a mad women with decent SF skills in the first place?
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: NireusD.Natalle on February 11, 2016, 04:01:07 PM
Want it easy? Join Vix/Perdan!
Want a challenge? Join Eponllyn

Since my duke in Dwilight got banned for being inactive during
the Lunar New year holiday, will pause that char and focus more on east
island char, maybe join Eponllyn or Nivemus..

(*you should really send OOC letter to the realm, before 4-5 day offline..)

Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Anaris on February 11, 2016, 05:09:27 PM
Since my duke in Dwilight got banned for being inactive during
the Lunar New year holiday, will pause that char and focus more on east
island char, maybe join Eponllyn or Nivemus..

(*you should really send OOC letter to the realm, before 4-5 day offline..)

False accusations of violations of the Inalienable Rights are prohibited. Your ban was already found to be entirely justified in-character, and not due to inactivity. Do not publicly state that you were banned for inactivity when the Titans have already determined that you were not.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Zakilevo on February 15, 2016, 02:24:31 AM
The war intensifies. Now Perdan and Eponllyn are looting each other!
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Chamberlain on February 15, 2016, 03:36:10 AM
How very coarse... Need to have a respectable war
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Indirik on February 15, 2016, 03:39:33 AM
Yeah, Perdan just couldn't hold back any more. There have been random looting incidents on and off for the whole war. Apparently they couldn't hold back anymore. And then somebody from Eponllyn gave the order to loot... and that was pretty much the end of the story.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Zakilevo on February 15, 2016, 04:20:17 AM
Vix hasn't had the misfortune of people looting randomly. After all, we don't have any hemmings  ;)
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Noone you know on February 15, 2016, 05:33:53 AM
Speaking of Hemmings, I wonder who the new ruler of Sirion will be?  :o

Not that any Hemmings were involved. Don't even know why I'm speaking of them. Just curious.

(We all know the answer. The 117 year old went from Critical to Light in 2-3 days and will be back on his perch in no time.)
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Wimpie on February 15, 2016, 02:27:43 PM
Well if Eppy loots Perdan, I think it's only fair Perdan loots back, no?
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: DeVerci on February 15, 2016, 03:40:02 PM
Well if Eppy loots Perdan, I think it's only fair Perdan loots back, no?
More like: If Perdan loots and burns down infrastructure in Eppy, then it's only fair the Eppy burns and loots back.  8)
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Vita` on February 15, 2016, 04:27:26 PM
Well, Perdan did loot Eponllyn first, in Perdan Mines.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Fleugs on February 15, 2016, 05:39:16 PM
Yeah, well, things spiraled a bit out of control yesterday.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Indirik on February 15, 2016, 05:43:22 PM
And don't forget Brive.

The infrastructure thing isn't a big deal. I mean, how did anyone expect the war would go? If we ever got the chance, I fully intended to start tearing down rcs and walls, etc. It was the various pillage and marauds that have happened that caused problems.

But, yeah, spiral is an understatement.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Zakilevo on February 15, 2016, 05:44:44 PM
Well now we all know when this war will end. :o
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Vita` on February 15, 2016, 06:01:06 PM
I don't think my character would have cared so much about infrastructure destruction, gold/military looting, or region TOs, other than the fact that others said they would not do those things and pointing out them not keeping to what they said. As you and they have said, a war must be fought somehow. I was rather surprised at the limits Perdan/Vix (mostly perdan, vix was more vague and less-limited) put at the beginning of the war, but they were the ones to propose them, not Eponllyn. So now complaining about being expected to keep to what they said they'd do is not taken kindly. Anyway, that's all hindsight description/analyzation and rhetorical argument/propaganda now that it's spiraled out of control.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Fleugs on February 15, 2016, 08:08:00 PM
I'm not complaining.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Zakilevo on February 15, 2016, 08:24:32 PM
I am kind of glad now that this war became a real war. Time to enjoy it to its fullest \o/
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Indirik on February 15, 2016, 09:09:54 PM
Considering the way Perdan/Vix double teamed Eponllyn from the start, it's not going to be much of a war. It's going to be like two football players high-fiving each other while taking turns beating the disabled kid in the wheelchair.

Eponllyn was already trying to surrender to Perdan's demands. We would have, too, if they hadn't refused to deal accept as part of a complete package including Vix. I admit to being surprised at this, both ic and ooc, considering prior statements about wanting to move away from large alliance blocks and permanent alliances.

So, really, you're not going to get much of a war.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Zakilevo on February 15, 2016, 09:47:10 PM
I was surprised how long it took for Eponllyn to call Nivemus.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Wimpie on February 16, 2016, 10:58:29 AM
I was surprised how long it took for Eponllyn to call Nivemus.

I would have expected Nivemus to bring more to the field, so this could actually be a real war. But now it'll be like Indirik describes, not much of a war.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Gabanus family on February 16, 2016, 02:24:55 PM
I would have expected Nivemus to bring more to the field, so this could actually be a real war. But now it'll be like Indirik describes, not much of a war.

Really? They haven't fought a true war since the last great north vs south war :p
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Fleugs on February 16, 2016, 05:21:29 PM
Considering the way Perdan/Vix double teamed Eponllyn from the start, it's not going to be much of a war. It's going to be like two football players high-fiving each other while taking turns beating the disabled kid in the wheelchair.

Eponllyn was already trying to surrender to Perdan's demands. We would have, too, if they hadn't refused to deal accept as part of a complete package including Vix. I admit to being surprised at this, both ic and ooc, considering prior statements about wanting to move away from large alliance blocks and permanent alliances.

So, really, you're not going to get much of a war.

If it's entirely up to me, this war was over now. I might step down after signing peace with Eppy.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: GundamMerc on February 16, 2016, 05:30:30 PM
Considering the way Perdan/Vix double teamed Eponllyn from the start, it's not going to be much of a war. It's going to be like two football players high-fiving each other while taking turns beating the disabled kid in the wheelchair.

Eponllyn was already trying to surrender to Perdan's demands. We would have, too, if they hadn't refused to deal accept as part of a complete package including Vix. I admit to being surprised at this, both ic and ooc, considering prior statements about wanting to move away from large alliance blocks and permanent alliances.

So, really, you're not going to get much of a war.

Oh gawd, 2 vs 1. So unfair.

Not exactly a huge alliance bloc though.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Gabanus family on February 16, 2016, 06:56:57 PM
Oh gawd, 2 vs 1. So unfair.

Not exactly a huge alliance bloc though.

Well alliances are slowly growing into a concern on EC, but we'll see :-)
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: GundamMerc on February 16, 2016, 09:02:31 PM
Well alliances are slowly growing into a concern on EC, but we'll see :-)

If there's an alliance bloc that people should be worried about, it's the one Sirion is a part of. Yes, it might have been temporary in nature, but that many realms allied is still not healthy.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Vita` on February 16, 2016, 10:27:46 PM
Life is funny sometimes in that by insisting that something is, you make that insistence a reality. While I can certainly agree that it's not healthy for the north, a couple thoughts. Eponllyn is not going to be encouraged to depart from any of those alliances by constantly being compelled to rely upon them. The alliances are also self-harm to their own realms because there are no nearby enemies and the allies are too far away. For the same reasons the Southern League/Astroist Federation suffered against Luria that any Nivemus/Sirion/Eponllyn alliance would suffer against Perdan/Vix.

In terms of worry, the alliance is a paper tiger. It's not my ideal state of affairs. I look forward to more diverse diplomacies up north. It won't change overnight though just because we want it to. Eponllyn has tried to pursue new policies, but Perdan and Vix have chosen for more of the same old alliances that have dominated EC history. I do not mean that negatively as you describe the sirionite alliances, just descriptively in that to me, it looks very much like Vix/Perdan have chosen their shared history/culture over innovative diplomatic relations that very well might have reduced the alliance-chain you are now so worried about. Eponllyn wasn't alone either. Nivemus was pursuing independent policies under Catherine of a pro-Perleone/anti-Perdan nature that might have driven Nivemus and Eponllyn further apart on account of Eponllyn's (at the time) budding friendship/alliance with Perdan and hate of Perleone.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Gabanus family on February 16, 2016, 10:42:47 PM
If there's an alliance bloc that people should be worried about, it's the one Sirion is a part of. Yes, it might have been temporary in nature, but that many realms allied is still not healthy.

In all honesty, most of those alliances are meaningless. Caligus - Sirion is hardly considered a true alliance and Eponllyn - Sirion is a strange/delicate situation alltogether. Much will change in the coming time I hope, but we'll see what Perdan decides to do, as well as Sirion. Caligus too seems to have gathered many alliances, but so far their war with Xavax seems not to be coming as both sides are afraid.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: GundamMerc on February 16, 2016, 11:03:39 PM
In all honesty, most of those alliances are meaningless. Caligus - Sirion is hardly considered a true alliance and Eponllyn - Sirion is a strange/delicate situation alltogether. Much will change in the coming time I hope, but we'll see what Perdan decides to do, as well as Sirion. Caligus too seems to have gathered many alliances, but so far their war with Xavax seems not to be coming as both sides are afraid.

I'm highly skeptical of this mindset.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Indirik on February 16, 2016, 11:29:24 PM
You obviously haven't seen the current state of Sirion. Or Eponllyn. Or know much at all about the current political state of the island. Or anything about the military status of the various realms. I mean, really. That statement smacks of a blatant "I looked at the diplomatic standings chart and realm list, and drew a completely unsupportable conclusion". The idea that the northern alliance block is a threat to anything is ludicrous.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: GundamMerc on February 17, 2016, 02:44:02 AM
You obviously haven't seen the current state of Sirion. Or Eponllyn. Or know much at all about the current political state of the island. Or anything about the military status of the various realms. I mean, really. That statement smacks of a blatant "I looked at the diplomatic standings chart and realm list, and drew a completely unsupportable conclusion". The idea that the northern alliance block is a threat to anything is ludicrous.

I'm sure Fontan agrees with you.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on February 17, 2016, 05:35:04 AM
I'm back... again.

I don't care too much for my chars anymore. And since Erik left an almost infinite number of sons and daughters, I can start a fresh one at any time. I'm thinking about a new one in Perdan or Vix, but we will see. I'm spending too much time reading old comic books and playing new games in my Xbox to worry with BM. Also, having a wife at home... better uses for "Erik", if you know what I mean 8)

Also, I was playing more to see if I could bring something against Sirion... believe me, they don't need external forces anymore to take them down. It's like to kick a dead dog. Let's see the next days... maybe I start something while heavily drunk, as usual.

EDIT: Just started a new one in Vix. Let's see.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Zakilevo on February 17, 2016, 06:38:01 AM
Never thought I'd get a chance to play with you again on EC hehe. Welcome aboard Eduardo :)
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Ketchum on February 17, 2016, 07:25:46 AM
Life is funny sometimes in that by insisting that something is, you make that insistence a reality. While I can certainly agree that it's not healthy for the north, a couple thoughts. Eponllyn is not going to be encouraged to depart from any of those alliances by constantly being compelled to rely upon them. The alliances are also self-harm to their own realms because there are no nearby enemies and the allies are too far away. For the same reasons the Southern League/Astroist Federation suffered against Luria that any Nivemus/Sirion/Eponllyn alliance would suffer against Perdan/Vix.

In terms of worry, the alliance is a paper tiger. It's not my ideal state of affairs. I look forward to more diverse diplomacies up north. It won't change overnight though just because we want it to. Eponllyn has tried to pursue new policies, but Perdan and Vix have chosen for more of the same old alliances that have dominated EC history. I do not mean that negatively as you describe the sirionite alliances, just descriptively in that to me, it looks very much like Vix/Perdan have chosen their shared history/culture over innovative diplomatic relations that very well might have reduced the alliance-chain you are now so worried about. Eponllyn wasn't alone either. Nivemus was pursuing independent policies under Catherine of a pro-Perleone/anti-Perdan nature that might have driven Nivemus and Eponllyn further apart on account of Eponllyn's (at the time) budding friendship/alliance with Perdan and hate of Perleone.
I agree mostly with Vita especially the last part about Catherine who is the last Ruler of Nivemus before Brock. Under her grace, Nivemus is working to move far from the north alliance, towards helping Perleone. After all, why would Nivemus army came so far down south just to assist Perleone in their war against Perdan however futile it looked? ::)

Unfortunately this current war titled above, have only brought all the allies together(that grew some distance apart after that last big war in the north). Some of your characters may state that you wish to break apart Sirion alliance, but in fact, without offering any other viable alternative(in allies or diplomacy or other treaty good terms), all the so-called northern alliance will only stand together. Eponllyn already chose to help the smaller realm such as DSS realm by stopping other bigger realms from using their lands to attack DSS or Sirion), Eponllyn appears to be moving on this new direction right until this war titled above crops up :D

You obviously haven't seen the current state of Sirion. Or Eponllyn. Or know much at all about the current political state of the island. Or anything about the military status of the various realms. I mean, really. That statement smacks of a blatant "I looked at the diplomatic standings chart and realm list, and drew a completely unsupportable conclusion". The idea that the northern alliance block is a threat to anything is ludicrous.
I see that and have a lot of data on my hand. It is sad though. If only 1 realm(either Vix or Perdan) fought with Eponllyn, Eponllyn should have no problem holding their own. After all, the data I have(number of nobles who capable of recruiting units size) show each realm have almost same number of characters. Vix and Perdan both combined of course have more nobles than Eponllyn.

Even Nivemus is also growing weaker nowadays, judging from the army it sent down south to assist Eponllyn as you all may noticed. We do not have enough noble to fill our regions lordship, my character Ruler of Nivemus has to juggle General responsibility as noone interested to take it up.

In short, the north alliance is as paper tiger as it can get. Without number of nobility to fill in the ranks and attracting nobles, it is only a matter of time.

I'm sure Fontan agrees with you.
Wait a minute. My character is former Fontan noble. He wants recreate Fontan deep inside his heart. But now he is Nivemus Ruler :o
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on February 17, 2016, 08:31:26 AM
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Never thought I'd get a chance to play with you again on EC hehe. Welcome aboard Eduardo :)

Just posted The Great Secret No One Will Care About in the RP thread. Let's see if I can find the joy of some good RPs once again :)

And is always a pleasure to play with you as well! I will just miss Garas... so, let's take Oligarch so he is forced to play with us!
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Gabanus family on February 17, 2016, 11:44:13 AM
Just posted The Great Secret No One Will Care About in the RP thread. Let's see if I can find the joy of some good RPs once again :)

And is always a pleasure to play with you as well! I will just miss Garas... so, let's take Oligarch so he is forced to play with us!

Never! Ok, maybe...
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Fleugs on February 17, 2016, 05:04:12 PM
I don't get why Vix/Perdan would be an old alliance. Besides, Perdan is not in this to split up the "Northern alliance". It's in this to split up Sirion itself.
And for what it's worth, Nivemus declared war on Perdan (I guess to make it a 2v2 war?).

It's funny, because Vix made it clear they would strike at Nivemus through Epponlyn, while Perdan never claimed such. Yet Vix and Nivemus remain neutral, while Perdan and Nivemus are at war...
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Indirik on February 17, 2016, 10:05:05 PM
I was wondering about that, too. I wondered if it was an "f u" from Nivemus to Vix, since Vix's claimed reason for war (the new, revised version, anyway) was that Nivemus previously waged war on Vix without actually declaring the war.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Ketchum on February 18, 2016, 01:11:33 AM
I don't get why Vix/Perdan would be an old alliance. Besides, Perdan is not in this to split up the "Northern alliance". It's in this to split up Sirion itself.
And for what it's worth, Nivemus declared war on Perdan (I guess to make it a 2v2 war?).

It's funny, because Vix made it clear they would strike at Nivemus through Epponlyn, while Perdan never claimed such. Yet Vix and Nivemus remain neutral, while Perdan and Nivemus are at war...
Yes, it is to make it a 2v2 war. Aren't you glad that we all can hear how different our perspectives of this war on forum? ;)

I was wondering about that, too. I wondered if it was an "f u" from Nivemus to Vix, since Vix's claimed reason for war (the new, revised version, anyway) was that Nivemus previously waged war on Vix without actually declaring the war.
LOL 8)
Well, about war declaration, we did talk for quite sometime among ourselves in Nivemus, when Perdan and Vix are attacking Eponllyn before Nivemus decided to get involved in this war.
It is quite straightforward, Nivemus "love" Perdan  :-*
And being strategic in a sense to us at the very least. No need for the opposing realm to understand why this is though, right?  :P
Brock even proposed to Eponllyn on ways to counter but I guess it is probably a little too late by the time Nivemus entrance :-\
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Gabanus family on February 18, 2016, 10:18:18 AM
Nivemus was a bit late to the party I suppose yeah and apparently you guys don't pack a big enough punch to make the difference.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Wimpie on February 19, 2016, 09:07:49 AM
Yes Vix declared intent to get to Nivemus. In the revised version.

Vix and Nivemus are obviously not in a war state on paper because it's impossible due to other alliances. But again Nivemus failed to even give notice of their attack on Brive.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Zakilevo on February 28, 2016, 06:25:57 AM
That was one hell of a battle. What a Glorious battle! I hope everyone involved in the war enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Vita` on February 28, 2016, 06:48:27 AM
When was the last largest battle comparable to 32k vs 25k CS? Eppy might have lost the battle, but I say we at least won a good experience. :)

You're still evil jerks! ;)
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Gabanus family on February 28, 2016, 05:19:28 PM
When was the last largest battle comparable to 32k vs 25k CS? Eppy might have lost the battle, but I say we at least won a good experience. :)

You're still evil jerks! ;)

Sirion + Caligus attempting to siege Oligarch City. 32k vs 40k defending or so?
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Vita` on February 28, 2016, 05:22:23 PM
Oh was it that much? Boo!

Hey Perdan, Vix, let's go beat up on them for daring to fight a larger battle a bit ago?

Meh. Survived the battle. Critically wounded by perdanite infil afterward. Now I await a new world when I heal...at least I'm not Ecthelion's age.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Telamon on February 29, 2016, 02:16:54 AM
Twas a most exciting battle! When was the last time BM was this interesting?

I can't remember!
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Zakilevo on February 29, 2016, 06:49:22 AM
Now... the long and boring part begins.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Gabanus family on February 29, 2016, 10:45:10 AM
Now... the long and boring part begins.

You mean the TO, or what comes next?

And I'm curious, cause only Vix can physically TO Perdan City, but no doubt Perdan will want it. What if Vix screws over Perdan...hmhm
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Wimpie on February 29, 2016, 02:06:15 PM
You mean the TO, or what comes next?

And I'm curious, cause only Vix can physically TO Perdan City, but no doubt Perdan will want it. What if Vix screws over Perdan...hmhm

Hmmmm. *strokes his beard*  ;D
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on February 29, 2016, 06:05:30 PM
Sometimes I think it's better to start a new family. It's hard to be famous and hated. I cannot move anywhere without some annoying char trying to kill and discuss with my lovely ones. While I hate it, I will need to use the Ignore option more often to play it cool and slow.  :(
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Zakilevo on February 29, 2016, 06:47:55 PM
Sometimes I think it's better to start a new family. It's hard to be famous and hated. I cannot move anywhere without some annoying char trying to kill and discuss with my lovely ones. While I hate it, I will need to use the Ignore option more often to play it cool and slow.  :(

Being too famous is sometimes not good! Like Kabrinski for example. Too infamous.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on February 29, 2016, 06:52:42 PM
Notoriety kicking back.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Sacha on March 01, 2016, 02:35:31 PM
Well, you reap what you sow. ;)
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Gabanus family on March 01, 2016, 06:36:54 PM
Well, you reap what you sow. ;)

So I'm to expect greatness in the future? :p
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on March 02, 2016, 01:18:52 PM
Just if you give us passage rights. We can divide the spoils.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Gabanus family on March 02, 2016, 01:41:08 PM
Just if you give us passage rights. We can divide the spoils.

Oh now it's suddenly 'us' :p
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Gabanus family on March 03, 2016, 09:00:30 PM
Should we begin changing the topic name now?

Vix decided to TO a region of Oligarch, rather than continuing to focus on war with Eponllyn...what will happen?
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: GundamMerc on March 04, 2016, 02:14:58 AM
Should we begin changing the topic name now?

Vix decided to TO a region of Oligarch, rather than continuing to focus on war with Eponllyn...what will happen?

Well doing that requires war with Oligarch... the realm that they wished to help in the first place and the reason they declared war on Eponllyn. So all cool if they want to say "oh, us helping them was only an excuse for a land grab".
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on March 04, 2016, 05:04:33 AM
Or Oligarch can stand away of every coward running for protection. At least Oligarch will face Perdan/Vix and maybe Sirion as well, since Sirion cannot win a battle without help these days. The first real challenge for Garas ;)

Lucky Sirion.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Gabanus family on March 04, 2016, 10:48:31 AM
Or Oligarch can stand away of every coward running for protection. At least Oligarch will face Perdan/Vix and maybe Sirion as well, since Sirion cannot win a battle without help these days. The first real challenge for Garas ;)

Lucky Sirion.

You know Garas better by now, no? :-)

And GundamMerc, you'll have to give somewhat more credit to Perdan on this one. Odoaker made it quite clear that he wanted to burn Sirion to the ground and this is why they continued the war against Eponllyn after Garas told them he didn't want their help anymore. (Cause yes Fleugs and Wimpie, he did ask it first).
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: D'Espana on March 04, 2016, 05:38:03 PM
What I'm enjoying a lot is being thrown into a completely new world of politics and war with absolutely zero idea of who's who and why I'm doing what I doing, though thanks to Brock and some others I'm a little bit less lost now and I'm on my way to get an initial grasp of how things work on EC. Giving away advice in such a situation makes me feel a little bit like a politician that talks about something he barely even knows about  ;D
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Gabanus family on March 04, 2016, 05:49:48 PM
What I'm enjoying a lot is being thrown into a completely new world of politics and war with absolutely zero idea of who's who and why I'm doing what I doing, though thanks to Brock and some others I'm a little bit less lost now and I'm on my way to get an initial grasp of how things work on EC. Giving away advice in such a situation makes me feel a little bit like a politician that talks about something he barely even knows about  ;D

Well EC politics is different than any other island. Even most rulers aren't exactly up to date on the political situation across the entire continent :-)
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: D'Espana on March 04, 2016, 05:55:38 PM
Well EC politics is different than any other island. Even most rulers aren't exactly up to date on the political situation across the entire continent :-)

Such a relief to know.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Gabanus family on March 04, 2016, 08:42:15 PM
Such a relief to know.

And in addition, politics on EC tend to change frequently enough hehe
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Wimpie on March 05, 2016, 11:41:21 AM
And in addition, politics on EC tend to change frequently enough hehe

Amen to that.
Title: Re: Perdan, Vix Vs Eponllyn, Nivemus War
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on March 05, 2016, 12:47:22 PM
I like Vix... the enemies are opening grounds.
Loot!!!