How about we settle with the whole community, players and devs, should have acted sooner? Now, where should we, players and devs, be concerned about now, not in yesteryear?
How about we settle with the whole community, players and devs, should have acted sooner? Now, where should we, players and devs, be concerned about now, not in yesteryear?
There are hardly any wars happening on Dwilight, basically everyone is at peace with the exception of Swordfell and Westfold.
Caligus in EC is playing everything way too safe in my opinion and is only getting involved in wars they know they will win (not taking any risks etc.) I haven't been around long, but I have a small nastolgia of "Same people doing nothing" of course, that's all I can see... Caligus is very open and isn't silent, but it really has no enemies and just decides who to aid.
Swordfell is at war, not by their own accord, but it's still war.
I'm sure there's more happening in dwilight, but I simply don't see it... Just a small conquest in the West... In my personal opinion, Astrum should feel "entitled to their old land". Or some rulers should be threatened by this rogue rise of power.
The matter of Caligus concerns me a bit, as does Xavax. On the one hand I like Xavax/Fallangard cause they'll end up fighting Caligus for sure, but on the other hand I don't like the idea of the southern realms falling one by one into the formation of 1, or maybe two large realms (should fallangard for instance go after Perleone's lands). Perdan is a beautifull wildcard though, one I'll prob go to should Oligarch ever fall.
How about we wait to see what happens in the south after the war. It is not Xavax's fault Minas Nova and Alara declared Hatred, and it is not as one-sided as it seems at this point. Although I admit that the mutual hatred status on Minas Nova is worrying, with Greater Xavax already having two cities, a one city realm in Semall wouldn't be very viable anyways. I have a plan for this anyways. :3
You realize that Xavax is aligned against the Caligus bloc right now, yes? even if they follow through on your worst estimates, it will just mean that Caligus and pals actually have some sort of counter-balance. I'll give you a pass because your character isn't down here, but our ruler is very conscious of the need to avoid too much expansion. I'd suggest you talk with them before jumping to conclusions.
Perdan talks like its a wildcard, but it does not act like a wildcard.
That the north of EC gets deadlocked in eternal peace again with Shadowdale being a puppet of Sirion, Nivemus same and Caligus pretty loyal to Vix and Sirion from so it seems*.Huh? Nivemus declared War against Perdan not too long ago... Is that eternal peace? We just settled down the war though. Er, that was north realm at war with a central realm.
*Might be slightly biased though xD
But in all honesty, think every island has it's opportunities in the dozens.
Which is why I said it concerns me a bit. We're talking on an OOC level here and I've heard people saying stuff about a Xavax Imperium. What concerns me about all those things, is that we run the risk of creating big blocks of powers again. If Oligarch falls, the north will be a federation in all but name again, with Sirion, Nivemus and Shadowdale. If Xavax takes care of the south (creating new nations or not in some form of Imperium) you run the risk of having a southern block which stretches at least untill Ibladesh City. Then there are Vix, Perdan, Caligus in the centre were Caligus is allied to the north as well and Sirion and Perdan at hatred in all but name still. It will create a difficult situation for war again, or a very unfair war, which we should be carefull off.The last I looked at reports, Perdan has the top military CS in whole island. Sirion/Caligus come a close second. Oh wait, now it could have changed. The military strength change daily.
So far I see no imminent problems, but that is something which could pose a problem in the long run, when Sirion now doubt will try to force Perdan back to (re-create at that time prob) Eponllyn and perhaps even take Perdan City again.You have no idea, only characters in Perdan, Eponllyn and Nivemus do.
Oh, please - give it a rest.Perhaps instead of developers rolling out a statement saying "you must do this and do that" every time, why not we put forward this limitation in game?
They had several years to write a 5 minute in game message saying rulers would be removed if things didn't change, or whatever course they chose to follow.
Leave out the "making them work harder" silliness.
You know nothing Jon Snow
I personally would worry more about Perdan than Xavax on East Island.
I don't see Perdan building big alliance blocks that will hold to be honest. They are powerful, yes, but in the current situation I'd say that's a good thing.
How the hell did you pull that logic? So Xavax, which is at a stalemate with three smaller realms, is a threat to the entire south, while Perdan, which is already the most powerful realm on the continent, is merely a sideshow? Besides that, the only realm Xavax is allied to is Fallangard. Your viewpoint is pretty ignorant about the South as a whole.
Well quite simple. Due to the situation in the south with these rediculous hatred situations we run the risk of losing 2 or 3 realms in the south, so that's potentially a problem yes and Xavax taking power all over the south. I don't see Perdan doing so, which is why I made that statement.
Perdan is already destroying Eponlynn, a realm that was the size of both Alara and Minas Nova combined. So I'm sorry if I fail to see how they're any better, if not worse. Please, try and become more informed before you throw out disparaging theories about other realms.
Did you for instance know that Perdan offered peace to Eponllyn several times without Eponllyn having to give up anything north of the river (everything south they had already lost anyway at that point, so they could keep all their current lands) if only they would remove the stupid hatred stance (which while only one realm is at hatred, you're still able to do I might add).
Except Eponllyn cannot remove the hatred unless Perdan offers to. Last I heard Perdan was demanding Eponllyn remove it (as you say), which they cannot. Unless Perdan sends an offer for them to do so.
Also, Eponllyn surrendered to Perdan. Perdan kept warring Eponllyn anyway. More than once so Perdan could keep taking more. Perdan also violated all the 'limited war' talk that the players were OOC patting themselves on the back for just months beforehand. Perdan may not have mechanically declared hatred, but they've behaved like they were at hatred throughout the war.
Didn't Minas Nova and Alara threaten to destroy Xavax entirely when they declared their hatreds and have refused to discuss terms at all? You can't treat with those who insist on trying to kill you.
Perdan has been hard on Eponllyn and if Perdan has to offer peace before Eponllyn can accept it, then that's the first time I've ever heard of that rule myself. Perhaps someone should make that piece of game mechanic clear to them.
Allow me to make something clear, which might have gone lost with GundamMerc's assaults on my perception. I have clearly stated the following:
"This is not Xavax' fault, but it does pose potential problems for the future."
Perdan has been hard on Eponllyn and if Perdan has to offer peace before Eponllyn can accept it, then that's the first time I've ever heard of that rule myself. Perhaps someone should make that piece of game mechanic clear to them.
The limited war thing of Perdan/Vix and Eponllyn/Nivemus has gone wrong yes, but by no means are they 'forced to do so'. I agree that the entire situation did not deserve a beauty award. However the situation as it is, seems like Perdan does not wish to destroy Eponllyn and I doubt they will. GundamMerc stated otherwise and it's why I brought it up.
Of course Xavax is in a tough spot, but I speak of the meta environment. If they destroy Alara, Minas Nova must follow because of the hatred thing. When that happens, Xavax will controll the entire south and I don't see Fallangard going away from them, cause they're in a tough situation diplomatically, always have been. Thus the creation of a southern power block can easily happen, which can create problems in the future. That is all I've said and I welcome anyone to prove differently.
You're assuming Xavax wants all that land. They don't.
But what other option do they have atm? Also, they don't want to wipe out Alara? Cause so far everything I've seen points into the other direction.
If Keplerstan declares hatred on Evilstan, then Evilstan needs to send the raising-relations paperwork to Keplerstan for Keplerstan to remove the hatred. Keplerstan cannot remove the hatred on their own. This is why if Keplerstan declared hatred on Evilstan and Evilstan declared hatred on Keplerstan, neither would be able to offer raised-relations with the other because they'd both be at hatred with the other.Interesting. "One cannot live while the other survive." - Harry Potter quote
You're assuming Xavax wants all that land. They don't.Actually any realm can leave some lands rogue if they do not want the land. Basically summarize what GundamMerc says ;)
and more Wine!Be careful of poisoned wine from Brock. He treats Perdan General to wine and some shadow crept behind the said General :P
State sponsored wine for all!
We are purpose built to be isolationist. When the war ends there will be more RP room.???
We want to quell the rebels of Itorunt and destroy the bandits of Semall, yes. Itorunt lies in Greater Xavax, Semall does not. The Imperium is only concerned with the lands of Greater Xavax. Read into that as you will.
Besides, we technically have one law (don't anger the Xerarch) and I've never seen a realm more actively use doublethink and propaganda as freely as we do. We are purpose built to be isolationist. When the war ends there will be more RP room.
Also, we definitely want to wipe out Alara. That given is no secret. It's Minas Nova and Perleone that we don't really care about, other than the fact that they are in our way. Oh, and the hatred thing...but that was something of an accident. One example of propoganda is that it is now illegal in Xavax to refer to either realm by their names (punishable by fines and ridicule). Instead, they are the Black City Bandits or the Raiders of Semall or other outlaw titles. Because they are criminals XD
Of course, with Vix lower relations and Caligus making hints, it does not seem that Xavax will be able to enjoy the quality "Xavax only" time to which we are so entitled...
8)
This + the reactions before kinda confirm what I wrote before doesn't it?
Also, saying that you haven't seen so much propaganda before yet doesn't mean it doesn't exists (tbh I haven't seen any realm propaganda by Xavax in game yet). Although the Isolationist is a interesting and very strange concept, but we'll see what comes of it I suppose.
But so far I've seen little to contradict my summary of what could easily happen and what dangers there could be hidden in those scenarios.
This + the reactions before kinda confirm what I wrote before doesn't it?I wish I can tell you more to contradict your summary. But let keep it a surprise :D
Also, saying that you haven't seen so much propaganda before yet doesn't mean it doesn't exists (tbh I haven't seen any realm propaganda by Xavax in game yet). Although the Isolationist is a interesting and very strange concept, but we'll see what comes of it I suppose.
But so far I've seen little to contradict my summary of what could easily happen and what dangers there could be hidden in those scenarios.
You best not be plottin'! If you think Selenia's new law against squirrels holding nuts is harsh, imagine what she'll do to you!But I need to plot... Can outsider plot against Selenia? It is not against law right.
But I need to plot... Can outsider plot against Selenia? It is not against law right.
Selenia actually did make Druzil's snippit about illegal squirrels into an actual Imperial Edict and Law of Xavax. I shudder to imagine what she'd do to Brock if she caught him!
You best not be plottin'! If you think Selenia's new law against squirrels holding nuts is harsh, imagine what she'll do to you!
Smirk all you like we're on to you sneakster you ain't slick! ;)
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I don't know what happened inside Perdan as a realm. But the ancient (you *just* gave your city away to eponllyn, how is it ancient?) ambition I have doubts on existing at the beginning of the war, but coming later. The war started over passage rights. We were told over and over, both ICly as character, and OOCly as players, that Perdan had absolutely no interest in Perdan City at all, ever again. Which was what Perdan had offered us in the treaty they wrote. As the war progressed and Perdan/Vix violated more of their agreements, Vix and Perdan players shared that older Perdanite players had returned. And *they* wanted to restore the city. Which is all fine and good IC, things change. But it still changed the nature of the war from a limited one of passage rights with no looting or takeovers looking forward to a limited war to get something going to crushing and driving players out of the game from frustration. After Perdan and Vix fought in a limited war where their players went on and on about what super awesome players they were not engaging in life or death wars.
It was absolutely not fun to be in Eponllyn after the war changed saying 'we surrender' *loot* *takeover* 'we surrender' *loot* *takever*. Especially after Perdan had said it changed from the *last* three times it did that to Eponllyn. Especially after it had gone on and on about small realms and limited wars and a new era. You try to go out and do something to keep your realm engaging thinking the players on the other side of the war understand where you're coming from, them having *just* been in the same position not long ago, and instead one feels in hindsight that you should've just let them march through your realm and not attempted any war if that was how it was going to go down. And people wonder why you get situations with very risk-averse, cautious leaders. Because even when you take risks with those who praise themselves for fighting limited wars and championing small realms, its just more same old gangbang.
Eponllyn saved Perdan's life after Perdan started its second war to destroy Eponllyn. When Perdan was in the same poor stagnant position Eponllyn is in now, Eponllyn stood by and refused to destroy Perdan like the rest of the continent did. It was prepared to defend Perdan against invaders from Vix before Perdan's new ruler decided to shun Eponllyn. Eponllyn bent over backwards to accommodate Perdan. Perdan wanted nothing of it. Perdan may never have declared hatred mechanically, but Perdan has acted in hatred of Eponllyn for OOC years now, attempting to destroy Eponllyn on at least three separate occasions now. And after Perdan lied the umpteenth time about what it was going to do or what it wanted from this war, can you fault a realm for perhaps...not believing they are telling the truth this time? Everything Perdan said it would not do, it in fact did.
About time!
I just don't see the southern wars ending any time soon, and Xavax has been famously unconcerned about matters beyond their borders. That does not, however, mean that things are immune to change. For example, what if Caligus attacks Fallangard while Xavax is distracted? What if either Caligus, Alara, or Xavax suffer a leadership change? And If they do that, what's to stop a land grab against Caligus from their neighbors? What will Perdan and Vix do if Xavax takes Ibaldesh? What if Xavax magically takes Semall and its Duchess takes the rest of her lands to join Perleone?
There are so MANY possibilities! So much room for activities!
LET'S GO!
Caligus will come, or they won't. Xavax doesn't particularly care anymore. There's a certain glory to fighting all the major powers of the island and then some.
The thing about Xavax, however, is its location. It's so far from the capitals of other realms, and its own regions are so close to ITS capital, that we can make this a long and bloody war. I already gave a variation of Bill Pullman's Independence Day speech to the Xavax nobles.
That said, how long before the whole island falls back into war I wonder?
We'd rather not, but if they don;t give us a choice then what else can we do but fight?
As I said, I doubt Perdan would. But nonetheless you have ahard warfun game ahead of you.
Fixed it for ya ;D
On a sidenote, Vix isn't the power it has been before (and even then, limited). Many nobles left so we're with a few only.
Fallangard will most definately join in, so noble-wise I don't think it's a real gangbang though. Depending on what numbers you look at, exactly.
Let's not worry about bangs and what not.Shall someone declare a war over a Queen's hairbangs? Queen Teniel receives a butchered haircut while touring Nivemus and diplomatic incident ensues.
Shall someone declare a war over a Queen's hairbangs? Queen Teniel receives a butchered haircut while touring Nivemus and diplomatic incident ensues.
Let's not worry about bangs and what not. Wimpie's right about relative size and power, it simply presents new and interesting strategic challenges for Xavax. He's also right about Fallangard. There is no argument that Selenia could make that would keep Edvaard out of it now. And the hardmode gamer in me even wants Caligus to declare war just so we know where everyone stands - Xavax against the world - if only to prove to Starfall that even in a desperate situation, Selenia would never authorize rape or genocide.
The way I see it, things just got interesting. I'm looking froward to it.
I give up. !@#$ing stay out of an even fight for once people.
I give up. !@#$ing stay out of an even fight for once people.
Yeah, you managed to suck up all of Alara's lands except their capital while Alara/Minas Nova/Perleone were warring you. That sounds like an even war alright..
Perspectives :-X
Alara's capital having nearly as high a pop and the entire realm of Xavax, all our regions put together, not even considering the support of Minas Nova and Perleone are supplying, yeah perspectives. :P it's not like we snuck in and attacked them without warning and stripped them of said land, they had plenty of time to reinforce their positions and should have had way more income to have done so with. Pardon me if I don't shed a tear for their poor administration not sharing the wealth. What they need is leadership, not extra help piling in.
caligus is going to let perdan/vix do their dirty work for them. they obviously abandoned their allies to pursue an easier war.
at most they will wait til the dust settles to attack fallangard, which i think is the biggest shame of the situation. edvard allowing his realm to be chained to the sinking ship of xavax.
Yeah, you managed to suck up all of Alara's lands except their capital while Alara/Minas Nova/Perleone were warring you. That sounds like an even war alright..
Perspectives :-X
caligus is going to let perdan/vix do their dirty work for them. they obviously abandoned their allies to pursue an easier war.
at most they will wait til the dust settles to attack fallangard, which i think is the biggest shame of the situation. edvard allowing his realm to be chained to the sinking ship of xavax.
I think people are too much on this "fair war" thing.
Xavax has simply digged blood outta its nose. Being arrogant, threatening all over. If you dont want someone to attack you, you need diplomacy, on that part Xavax has failed miserably (on purpose i guess).
War is never fair. Sooner or later one will have upper hand, one way or a another. Thats purpose of the war, beat or fend off the enemy.
Considering they've been able to do several raiding campaigns and nearly destroyed our entire army once, Yeah, I'd say so. If you'll notice, we haven't been able to push beyond our current position for a while now. Besides which, the majority of Alaran characters have absurdly high honor and prestige compared to Xavax, so their units are usually 1.5 times the size of ours.
I have yet to see where the sympathy for Alara is coming from, they brought this entire conflict on themselves. They've helped cause a civil war in our realm, harbored Stegman, who, by the way, is an !@#$%^&. No one's having fun interacting with that character, it's merely helpless frustration as we hope that police patrols randomly catch him, which they never do. And then he pulls !@#$ing scrolls from out of his ass, giving him a free assassination attempt with no risk to his character.
The fact is this is just turning into a gang bang Atamaran style. Oh, and I love people talking about how our war against three realms isn't fair, but say nothing about Perdan and Vix both jumping in. The hypocrisy is laudable.
To call this an Atamaran gang bang is however way over the top. It's nowhere near as unbalanced as those were, not unless both Perdan and Caligus jump in. In that case the island is doomed...
I find it extremely hilarious how Xavax attempts to ruthlessly bully all its neighbours into submission Cagilan Empire style and when other realms jump in to break this alarming development Xavax brands it a gang-bang that will lead to Atamaran scenario. Perfect logic!
CE style would be Caligus, Perdan, AND Xavax declaring war on Alara, Minas Nova, and Perleone. But nice try with that logic fail.I guess that would be CE style too. How does this invalidate my logic?
The fact of the matter is that the strength of the two sides were pretty equalNot true.
Add Perdan to the fight, a realm that has the same number of nobles as us but a much better economy, and it's absurdly unfair.Why weren't you complaining when you had an upper hand both in numbers and coordination? Is it only unfair when you're at a disadvantage?
I guess that would be CE style too. How does this invalidate my logic?Argument fail. :\
Not true.
Why weren't you complaining when you had an upper hand both in numbers and coordination? Is it only unfair when you're at a disadvantage?
I find it extremely hilarious how Xavax attempts to ruthlessly bully all its neighbours into submission Cagilan Empire style and when other realms jump in to break this alarming development Xavax brands it a gang-bang that will lead to Atamaran scenario. Perfect logic!
Wrong. All the southern realms were scheming against each other, but we had the problem of Magnus trusting Starfall utterly. We learned that Starfall was plotting with Minas Nova against us while telling us to plot against Nova, and after the rebellion Selenia confronted Starfall who denied it and we declared annexation of Alara due to their incompetence. Alara and MN allied, then jointly declared hated, and that's that. We definitely were not bullying poor weak Alara and Nova who decided to rise up against us.
You could read the post before actually responding, it would inform you more. Just because you say the sides were not equal doesn't make that so. And I was only speaking of the war recently. The starting situation was even worse for us and better for them.Your post is very misleading. For some reason you are comparing overall realms' CS while actual military power is gauged by mobile army's CS and the number of active nobles.
Wrong. All the southern realms were scheming against each other, but we had the problem of Magnus trusting Starfall utterly. We learned that Starfall was plotting with Minas Nova against us while telling us to plot against Nova, and after the rebellion Selenia confronted Starfall who denied it and we declared annexation of Alara due to their incompetence. Alara and MN allied, then jointly declared hated, and that's that. We definitely were not bullying poor weak Alara and Nova who decided to rise up against us.That's empty rhetoric if end result is a single superpower dominating the entire south.
Wrong. All the southern realms were scheming against each other, but we had the problem of Magnus trusting Starfall utterly. We learned that Starfall was plotting with Minas Nova against us while telling us to plot against Nova, and after the rebellion Selenia confronted Starfall who denied it and we declared annexation of Alara due to their incompetence. Alara and MN allied, then jointly declared hated, and that's that. We definitely were not bullying poor weak Alara and Nova who decided to rise up against us.
...but because you're pulling a CE and it's worrisome. That's empty rhetoric if end result is a single superpower dominating the entire south.
No one said Xavax did not have a casus belli. What's problematic is it's obvious desire to blob Atamara-style.
What I would worry about is more realms jumping in to annihilate Xavax in order to preserve a status quo.I want to make it very clear that nobody wants to annihilate Xavax. The goal here is to preserve plurality in the south.
I want to make it very clear that nobody wants to annihilate Xavax. The goal here is to preserve plurality in the south.
If Xavax plays smart they will come off with more regions than they had before the war.
I want to make it very clear that nobody wants to annihilate Xavax. The goal here is to preserve plurality in the south.
If Xavax plays smart they will come off with more regions than they had before the war.
The first thing that's scary is that Xavax Imperium claims lands that are resembling the good old Ibladesh - with Isadril added on top as an extra super bonus. Not exactly something that can be ignored by any realm remotely close to the south...
...I know Perdan joining in so closely after Vix did isn't well received in the player base of Xavax (and to a lesser extent the other realms), but this entire war and the many, many side events that spilled over into the Perdan/Vix-Eppy/Nivemus war made temperatures rise. Slap on to that the well stated intention of Xavax to conquer pretty much the entire South (though they offered Perdan Al Arab if we joined on their side, way back), it's pretty fair to say Perdan aims for a divided South rather than a behemoth who clearly hasn't any qualms about declaring war.
Thirdly, Xavax made a giant fuzz when Stegman bought Isadril (perhaps rightfully so, though let's be fair, it should have had a lord anyway) and Fallangard decided to join that nuisance when they got some regions of Eponllyn. Essentially delaying Perdan for such a long time might be perceived as an anticipation of Perdan joining the Souther War. If that was the intention, well, they succeeded at least in delaying Perdan from intervening by two to three months. In summary though, the way Xavax/Fallangard treated regions that came under their rule while Perdan clearly said they would take it, didn't help relations.
I want to make it very clear that nobody wants to annihilate Xavax. The goal here is to preserve plurality in the south.
If Xavax plays smart they will come off with more regions than they had before the war.
Plurality...
Basicly, you wish the south to remain filled with miniscule, idle realms that are no threat to the current powers?
That's not what I heard from sympathizers in Perdan...I think I know who you're talking about. He's lying.
I hope you are right.If I'm not I'll be the first to join a popular rebellion.
Plurality...Not only I would like to see several smaller belligerent realms in the south but also to break up the northern behemoths. No realm should have more than two cities, wasn't that a common sentiment in active realms?
Basicly, you wish the south to remain filled with miniscule, idle realms that are no threat to the current powers?
I think I know who you're talking about. He's lying.If I'm not I'll be the first to join a popular rebellion.Not only I would like to see several smaller belligerent realms in the south but also to break up the northern behemoths. No realm should have more than two cities, wasn't that a common sentiment in active realms?
I think shaking up the continent in this manner was Perdan's and Vix's goal from the get go and EC does feel more vibrant right now.
Who said Caligus is going to join in?
Perdan has reason enough to war Nivemus, to go after Sirion, to take out Caligus and you could have easily found a reason to siege Oligarch City, or simply continue your war with Eponllyn and strike and possibly to turn Nivemus/Sirion against you on that front if you continue still further. All these options would have been far preferable than to the quick slaughter you're going to put Xavax in now with Caligus intending to join as well, but even without Caligus. And you know Caligus wants to and that they only reason that they haven't restarted against Fallangard is because Sirion bullheaded refuses peace and they're wondering if they should continue to help, which they don't really want to.That's a weird perspective. Do you really think finishing off Eponllyn would be a great accomplishment, bearing in mind Nivemus explicitly bailed on them and Sirion is not likely to intervene either?
That's a weird perspective. Do you really think finishing off Eponllyn would be a great accomplishment, bearing in mind Nivemus explicitly bailed on them and Sirion is not likely to intervene either?
Warring Oligarch is not really interesting either, I personally like what that realm is doing.
Taking on Nivemus or Sirion to break them up I personally see as acceptable. But it so happened we first had to move in to stop Xavax from turning into second Sirion. Because if he have two of those, we're never breaking anything up as Atamara has clearly shown.
North is kinda screwed up. It will take a while to do anything with it. And I'm sure we'll get there. I'm actually disappointed we had to make this detour although I do recognize it was necessary.
The South on the other hand looks very interesting and fresh. There's a lot of potential there and I'd just hate to see it turn into a boring dominate. I honestly believe we're helping the server in general by not letting Xavax finish off Alara.
Of course, that's just my humble opinion.
I also would like to make it clear that the only realm that is currently trying to completely destroy another realm is Xavax. Do you agree that several strong realms are better than one huge one and a few underfed toadies like Fallangard?
As far as I am aware neither Perdan nor Vix has destroying Xavax or reducing Fallangard to one region as their goals. Where did that come from?
North is kinda screwed up. It will take a while to do anything with it. And I'm sure we'll get there.
I'm actually disappointed we had to make this detour although I do recognize it was necessary.
The South on the other hand looks very interesting and fresh. There's a lot of potential there and I'd just hate to see it turn into a boring dominate. I honestly believe we're helping the server in general by not letting Xavax finish off Alara.
Of course, that's just my humble opinion.
I also would like to make it clear that the only realm that is currently trying to completely destroy another realm is Xavax.
Do you agree that several strong realms are better than one huge one and a few underfed toadies like Fallangard?
As far as I am aware neither Perdan nor Vix has destroying Xavax or reducing Fallangard to one region as their goals. Where did that come from?
Allow me to break this down a bit more rational and logical than GundanMerc.I don't read his posts ever since he was kind enough to throw some personal insults at me and I suspect I'm missing literally nothing.
The fact that it will take a while is actually more reason to start doing it now, rather than later.There is absolutely nothing happening in Sirion and Nivemus right now, while situation in the south was very quickly deteriorating. Hence this priority order.
Allow me to explain next why this wasn't necessary and therefore further increase your disappointment.Firstly, a realm can win a war against a twice stronger coalition if the latter's armies have to travel considerable distance. Especially if coordination is poor. I've learned this lesson on Dwilight. I believe you are wrong when you paint Xavax as a clear underdog.
So Perdan in fact is saving nobody, for in the situation you entered, Alara would not have been destroyed.Alara is already destroyed. I was in Fallangard briefly when it was a single province realm. This is a complete stalemate for the players.
Sirion has been trying to completely destroy Oligarch since the beginning (yet another reason apparently why you would war the north). Caligus in fact tried to help Sirion destroy Oligarch, first in the siege at the beginning and even now again. You think that they're there just to have a good laugh?You're right. I've ignored Oligarch's situation.
In addition, Caligus has been attempting to wipe out Fallangard since the beginning of that realm as well. The only reason they stopped actively pursuing that, is because Perdan and Eponllyn forcefully made them stop through war. So in fact Caligus is now trying to destroy 2 nations as we speak (Oligarch, by actively helping Sirion and Fallangard) so should they then not be your target?I would personally love to see Xavax on our (anti-imperialist) side. Then we would literally have no other choice but to break Caligus together. But they chose to blob and annihilate neighbours themselves, don't see why they're any better than Caligus at this point.
Not yet, but neither did Perdan plan to take Perdan City from Eponllyn and reduce them to almost nothing. If you may remember, that war was about passage rights to assault Sirion, which you've now got, but still it happened.Don't compare these two conflicts. Xavax is too far away for it to be a war of conquest. Plus it's regions are of no historical value to Perdan.
In addition, the destruction of Fallangard part is directed at Caligus who is rather desperately trying to end their commitment to the war against Oligarch and the only logical step is them joining your war also to wipe out Fallangard, or at least back to only their capital.Fallangard entered this war willingly. It was a very dumb move, but I can't force myself to see them as victims in this conflict.
There is absolutely nothing happening in Sirion and Nivemus right now, while situation in the south was very quickly deteriorating. Hence this priority order.
Firstly, a realm can win a war against a twice stronger coalition if the latter's armies have to travel considerable distance. Especially if coordination is poor. I've learned this lesson on Dwilight. I believe you are wrong when you paint Xavax as a clear underdog.
Secondly, this is not a war of conquest or annihilation. You keep pushing this idea that someone wants to destroy Xavax but it holds no water.
Alara is already destroyed. I was in Fallangard briefly when it was a single province realm. This is a complete stalemate for the players.
You're right. I've ignored Oligarch's situation.
I would personally love to see Xavax on our (anti-imperialist) side. Then we would literally have no other choice but to break Caligus together.
But they chose to blob and annihilate neighbors themselves, don't see why they're any better than Caligus at this point.
Don't compare these two conflicts. Xavax is too far away for it to be a war of conquest. Plus it's regions are of no historical value to Perdan.
Fallangard entered this war willingly. It was a very dumb move, but I can't force myself to see them as victims in this conflict.
If they are indeed reduced to one city as you predict, we will probably have to eventually help them out again. But for now it's a simple action-reaction sequence that has to ensue.
Alara and Minas Nova declared Hatred against Xavax. You don't declare Hatred if your intent is simply to claim a couple of border regions. :P
I don't read his posts ever since he was kind enough to throw some personal insults at me and I suspect I'm missing literally nothing.
There is absolutely nothing happening in Sirion and Nivemus right now, while situation in the south was very quickly deteriorating. Hence this priority order.
Firstly, a realm can win a war against a twice stronger coalition if the latter's armies have to travel considerable distance. Especially if coordination is poor. I've learned this lesson on Dwilight. I believe you are wrong when you paint Xavax as a clear underdog.
Secondly, this is not a war of conquest or annihilation. You keep pushing this idea that someone wants to destroy Xavax but it holds no water.
Alara is already destroyed. I was in Fallangard briefly when it was a single province realm. This is a complete stalemate for the players.
You're right. I've ignored Oligarch's situation.
I would personally love to see Xavax on our (anti-imperialist) side. Then we would literally have no other choice but to break Caligus together. But they chose to blob and annihilate neighbours themselves, don't see why they're any better than Caligus at this point.
Don't compare these two conflicts. Xavax is too far away for it to be a war of conquest. Plus it's regions are of no historical value to Perdan.
Fallangard entered this war willingly. It was a very dumb move, but I can't force myself to see them as victims in this conflict.
If they are indeed reduced to one city as you predict, we will probably have to eventually help them out again. But for now it's a simple action-reaction sequence that has to ensue.
North is kinda screwed up. It will take a while to do anything with it. And I'm sure we'll get there. I'm actually disappointed we had to make this detour although I do recognize it was necessary.Yes, the north looks that way. I am sure a lot of players look at my character Brock right now. Not that I do not do something but still some things are best kept secret ::)
Firstly, a realm can win a war against a twice stronger coalition if the latter's armies have to travel considerable distance. Especially if coordination is poor. I've learned this lesson on Dwilight.I agree with you on this part, on poor coordination and travel considerable distance factors. Most military characters on BM learnt this much. Nivemus did win the first ever war with Vix, reached its inner lands despite Nivemus far off distance from Vix lands at that time. Then came the second war with Vix, where Nivemus army lost quite badly. The lands distance still remain the same. So it is a hit or miss there. If you have good coordination despite the far distance disadvantage, you can win the battles.
Wrong. On both counts. Nothing was going to happen in the south for months and nothing has happened for a month or two. Xavax can't break Alara's walls with it's militia, and that's going nowhere as long as Minas Nova and Perleone are backing them.
This is absolue nonesense in almost all cases. Fallangarrd was the exception to this rule because their City only borders one region and Caligus had cluster!@#$ed it with militia. This way Fallangard was never able to move out of the city succesfully pretty much. Even here the eventually managed it. I have been with Oligarch since the beginning (weird right) and throughout much of our history we've been confined to only Oligarch, trying to break out and take a region or 2, before seeing Sirion return again. Alara too seems to be fighting and raiding outside of the walls. I can assure you that a single city realm still has options, but you have to be smart and carefull though.It is difficult to break city wall nowadays with just 1 realm strength alone. I still remembered how Sirion and Caligus combined forces unable to breach Oligarch city wall. Though Oligarch city gold could afford its duke luxury of lot of militia. How many realms did we take to breach Westmoor city last time, Gabanus? Sirion, Eponllyn and Nivemus armies combined, that 3 realms. But you get the idea, nowadays we need at least 2-3 realms with good participating nobles to break the wall.
Perdan had the option of letting the conflict play out for a month, raid Sirion in the process once or something and see whether or not the conflict in the south has become more balanced or not, while helping to slightly balance the northern situation as well in the same process. In that time there's no way that Xavax would have been able to succesfully scale the walls of Itorunt, so all realms would still be alive. Then if the south remains unbalanced, you can still enter just as easily. Now I'm afraid this move will ruin the war, but we'll see. Maybe you'll still get your ass kicked by Xavax as you seem to think, but I highly doubt it. Not with Perdan's force and distance.Actually Perdan has a few options on their table: Either they deal with Sirion for Sirion previous actions against them, or revenge against Nivemus, they both seems to have ancient rivalry dating back to past Perdan and Nivemus Rulers days. Or finishing off Eponllyn due to Eponllyn Hatred. Also if Perdan still unhappy with Oligarch, they can have their cake too ;)
Wimpie, from as well as I remember, Eponllyn was willing to give you passage rights before Perdan City was sieged, but at that point that was no longer enough for Vix and Perdan. Am I wrong here? They long denied it, that's true, but even after they were willing to give you passage rights (original war goal) suddenly extra demands came.
Secondly, who's saying that Vix wants to destroy Xavax or Fallangard? I suggest you read back to what I've said, cause I've said everything but that. In fact I wrote that I like Vix' entering of the war.
If I remember it correctly, I believe they offered it to Perdan not to Vix. Perdan wasn't going to leave Vix behind to fight Sirion.
I would like to bring up another important point here.
The overwhelming majority of realms are just incapable of admitting a loss until they are beaten to a pulp and are unwilling to negotiate surrender until they are no longer able to even sustain a moderately strong position in those negotiations.
I will argue that this factor is the one main reason some realms find themselves in shambles after a war.
Eponllyn's behaviour and eventual fate is a stellar example of this. If Xavax actually believes they're about to be roflstomped (which I really doubt), they'd be wise to negotiate a beneficial peace while it's still possible.
The overwhelming majority of realms are just incapable of admitting a loss until they are beaten to a pulp and are unwilling to negotiate surrender until they are no longer able to even sustain a moderately strong position in those negotiations.
At the same time, many who are winning a war are also unwilling to discuss peace unless they gain rediculous amounts of lands and gold.This is not true literally for every war I was a part of, including when I was on a losing side.
"Yes, we're winning, so now give us 1 of your 2 cities and we'll stop" which amounts to half your realm or something.Which is still a reasonable deal when you're choosing between giving up a city or leading your realm to complete destruction.
Maybe that also happens. Somewhere.
But that's still somewhat irrelevant because once again that's not the sort of demands Xavax is facing.
I much prefer split yourself to form a new realm kind.I don't think Xavax needs to split. It's actually a very healthy realm. Just two cities and great noble density. They're good.
IF you are not fighting a war of annihilation against Xavax, you'll loose.There's nothing bad in losing, imo. It's only bad when the victor makes sure the loss is final and nothing interesting will happen again on that front moving forward.
I'm not salty that half the island has declared war against Xavax, I'm salty that Vix and Perdan did not take the time to really build a strong case to do so. It seems lazy to me.Although casus belli is there and seems plausible, I do agree there could be more build up and flavour surrounding it.
I, both as a player and speaking as specifically Selenia, rather enjoy the idea of being the Big Bad Wolf other realms are making her out to be. Demonize her if you want, good stories need great Villains.You'll be pleased to learn you have some admirers abroad. Even among your enemies.
All and all, it's a bit more than I signed up for, but the challenge looks fun and so long as the players are having fun, then we all win. I'm pretty much exactly where I want to be.Great attitude.
1. I am actually really pleased that few players even OOC have a firm grasp of what is going on. That means the propaganda mill is running strong and players are interested/engaged. Good.
But can Selenia be mollified in the end?
Considering I know things that Selenia doesn't, this is laughable.
I said, ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!
I'm pleased that Selenia is female, or we'd have to compete for the title most hated men on the continent.
But I'm curious to see how long Xavax can hold and how invested Perdan truly is. Also you do know it's mechanically possible to sign peace with Alara right, just not with Minas Nova.
@constantine what exactly are the peace terms offered to Xavax?
Which is ironic, since they're the ones out of the three we'd want to sign a peace treaty with the least. At least Minas Nova changed rulers since the mutual Hatred was declared (Warchief ran off to Caligus), so there would be a little hope for better relations, and we were never that interested in them to begin with until they went to war with us and started raping and genociding. I can't see the vox populi allowing a peace agreement with Starfall still King of Alara.
So there is room for diplomacy, just not while they have this King :p
So there is room for diplomacy, just not while they have this King :p
Look like Xavax need make peace with 1-2 realms to take them out of the war. From some people point of views, rebalance the war. Looking at Perleone size and its army, I doubt they wish to fight on. Maybe we need more dark knights to balance the white knights ::)
xavax is xavax backwards
Look like Xavax need make peace with 1-2 realms to take them out of the war. From some people point of views, rebalance the war. Looking at Perleone size and its army, I doubt they wish to fight on. Maybe we need more dark knights to balance the white knights ::)
You'd think that, the most successful action they've had during this war was recent, piggybacking on Vix's attack of Oc Lu Pesh (previous attempts by them on Aramon's region were repulsed by the peasants, leading to some rather amusing comments in-realm about the fierceness of his peasants ;D). Other than that, their General joining Alara/Minas Nova in raiding has been the extent of their military involvement in this war.I do not know if you know. Perleone is also Nivemus ally ::)
Truest thing said in this thread so far. ;)
Well you're actually the guy that can make that happen. Question is, if you're willing to go 'against' Sirion so radically though.It is problem IC... To change a character radically, perhaps like what happened to a real person after some incidents. If we are to simulate stuff. We might end up stimulate a realm and many of its neighbors :o
I do not know if you know. Perleone is also Nivemus ally ::)
Actually since that last ice age happened, Perleone lost some of their lands which combined with other factors led to their small realm and military size. Perleone is... never same again.
It is problem IC... To change a character radically, perhaps like what happened to a real person after some incidents. If we are to simulate stuff. We might end up stimulate a realm and many of its neighbors :o
Inside heart, Brock dislike Garas. Garas is probably the most hated male character in this whole island or rather half island. Nivemus has reasons to fight Oligarch, you "took away" our previous Queen Ruler as your wife remember? :P
Hmm? Oh, nah we're goodBut but we all receive huge battle reports saying otherwise? :o
But but we all receive huge battle reports saying otherwise? :o
funny how its "Selenia would own..." rather than "xavax would own..." ;)
Oh man, does every realm in this game has to have this one dude who froths at the mouth, calls everyone cowards and challenges enemy generals to a duel every time a battle is lost. :D
Oh man, does every realm in this game has to have this one dude who froths at the mouth, calls everyone cowards and challenges enemy generals to a duel every time a battle is lost. :D
It's called an ego check. If your characters weren't cowards they would duel. Unfortunately they are.
I see they're also upset over a commoner being executed. Shame I don't have any more to hang!
man i thought game of thrones would have gotten more of you off of that noble knight nonsense
what exactly is a proper reason? what makes insulting barbarians with high sf skill worse than cocky infiltrators with high infil? should i go on?
I know, I know, too much danger...Indeed. There's a big difference between throwaway characters who's value to a player and the game is exactly zero so they constantly want to duel everyone to boost their ego and characters with a lot of time and effort invested in them who actually mean something and whose lives are actually valuable.
Indeed. There's a big difference between throwaway characters who's value to a player and the game is exactly zero so they constantly want to duel everyone to boost their ego and characters with a lot of time and effort invested in them who actually mean something and whose lives are actually valuable.
Can you imagine Edward III dueling some random French knight because the latter got butthurt over a lost battle? Yeah, because that's stupid even to imagine.
That's a serious claim to make without proof.It's really self-evident if a player is willing to issue duel challenges to numerous people who never even talked to him and without even making a case why he feels insulted.
Edward III wouldn't likely duel due to it being frowned upon by the HRC, possibly having a champion that would take up the challenge for him,My point is that a french knight wouldn't even ever have an idea of challenging an English monarch after a military defeat. That's a silly situation to imagine.
and the fact that duels were being principally used as trial by combatIrrelevant in this case.
(although Pas d'armes makes silly your claim about the seriousness of duels).What do you even mean by that?
It's really self-evident if a player is willing to issue duel challenges to numerous people who never even talked to him and without even making a case why he feels insulted.Or I've been playing the game close to 10 years and a character dying isn't the most important thing to me. Godric's whole story hinges on living in the shadow of his father and trying to pursue glory. A death in battle means he was weak, a death in individual combat is a glorious end to his Saga. As for why he's insulted, you don't need to understand, the character does. Quit trying to tell me how to play the game.
My point is that a french knight wouldn't even ever have an idea of challenging an English monarch after a military defeat. That's a silly situation to imagine.This is more akin to the Duke of Surrey challenging the Duke of Anjou. He is a member of the king's (Xerarch) court challenging the opposing kingdom's general (also a member of the king's court). What's wrong with that?
Irrelevant in this case
.What do you even mean by that?
Or I've been playing the game close to 10 years and a character dying isn't the most important thing to me.Case in point.
In the game there are no true restrictions on when you should duel.Exactly. You're not breaking any rules and I'm not trying to tell you what to do.
Use Google, darling.Why did you call me darling?
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So a concern about Perdan...What is going on there? First a King stepped down, and then a silent one (Kyra? Awesome) was silently elected only to eventually loose that crown, then Caspian vanished suddenly, and now a teenage immigrant from Oligarch is King.
Is ruling Perdan not fun or something?
And now there seems to be a bug. "The realm of Perdan has elected Qu Ar'dan Lapallanch as its new King." But he wasn't instated as King. I went to sent him a message and couldn't find his name among the rulers mailing list.
Indeed. A fatal one too. Very unfortunate. Perdan could have enjoyed another Lapallanchian king!
So a concern about Perdan...What is going on there? First King Odoaker(?) stepped down, and then a silent one (Kyra? Awesome) was silently elected only to eventually loose that crown, then Caspian vanished suddenly, and now a teenage immigrant from Oligarch is King.
Is ruling Perdan not fun or something?
And now Kellan Dodger strikes out. The count is up to 5.
so they protested him out during Thanksgiving and after he had lost internet. Fun stuff.
I haven't seen turnover like that outside of a realm falling apart due to losing a war.
Damn, if true that's closer to an Inalienable Rights violation than I'd be comfortable being.
IR doesn't protect you from being protested out unfortunately.
Or fortunately if you are QU'Ardan... maybe round 4??
Damn right. Round 4 it is!
Damn right. Round 4 it is!
How long do you think you can maintain kingship given the turnover rate? If you win I mean
Well... Qu Ar'dan is known for his vulgarity so... At most a month? XD
Well... Qu Ar'dan is known for his vulgarity so... At most a month? XD
so they protested him out during Thanksgiving and after he had lost internet. Fun stuff.
Heh you gotta be in Perdan to truly appreciate what is going on!
I suppose so. How one such mighty empire crumblesInactivity kills even the largest realms...
Are there any rulers Qu hasn't insulted... barring Catherine of course... could make for some interesting developments
Inactivity kills even the largest realms...
But how do such a mighty realm full of active players become inactive in such a short time?
You were stomping your might feet all over Xavax just a few months ago?
Qu is ready to make Perdan Great Again.