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BattleMaster => Locals => Dwilight => Topic started by: Glaumring the Fox on May 19, 2016, 02:49:54 AM
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Seriously? The whole land is allied with each other for some reason or another. Has Dwilight really become so afraid of conflict? Is this how we kill a server? Peace is achieved. Game over.
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Yeah, it seems that we've returned to 'must have lots of allies because everyone else has lots of allies, oh crap, we are all allied to each other'. I thought there'd be conflict with Morek/HD vs Arnor, a nice balanced conflict, but that turned into the same old SA powerblock of allying to crush any threats to the Eternal Peace status quo. It seems the only options open to anyone trying to do anything is a suicidal war they use as an excuse to annihilate you or joining them in Boring All New Players Away From The Game.
I really wish the frontier realms *would* invade us interior realms.
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Maybe the rogue force too strong for one realm alone... making the realm seeking alliance and military help from other realms... And ops, all the webs of alliance tangled up.
Maybe the new realm of Terran founding will change things.
About Morek/HD conflict vs Arnor. That sure ended quickly than I expected.
Glaumring, we need you create more chaos in the order in Dwilight. Come here ::)
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I think much of it is alliances against the beasts; just like BT is alliances against the daemons.
I can's speak for the East, but we aren't allying with anyone for the purposes of fighting other realms. anything we have is allow nobles to use our armorers if they come help us fight
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Maybe the rogue force too strong for one realm alone... making the realm seeking alliance and military help from other realms... And ops, all the webs of alliance tangled up.
Maybe the new realm of Terran founding will change things.
About Morek/HD conflict vs Arnor. That sure ended quickly than I expected.
Glaumring, we need you create more chaos in the order in Dwilight. Come here ::)
Everytime I try to create chaos I just get in trouble and the power blocs solidify to prevent anything out of the ordinary. I have pretty much resigned my character on Dwilight to following orders and being quiet. I think my reputation on the island precedes me and my track record of ruling kingdoms has never been good on Dwilight unlike other lands. I am waiting to die in battle, Glaumring is almost 90 years old now and I tend to roleplay him more like a cranky old man rather than the firebrand he was in his youth. His light is fading perhaps in unison with Dwilights.
This is why the Dev's should have had the monster invasion in the east to kill off the long long years of bored stalemate and familial ties that exist in the east. The west was vibrant and full of motivation, such a wasted shame.
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Fair enough. If there are realms who needed a nudge they are Arnor, HD and Swordfell.
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Morek needs a bigger nudge than HD. I've tried to pursue some balanced conflicts, but either everyone seems to love being alliance chains and considers war evil or I can't get replies back. After all, it gets really discouraging to do anything myself.
I mean look at Swordfell and Westfold. Westfold starts a limited war with a relative challenge for themselves. Swordfell's response? Immediately, 'We are going to destroy you'. Just like joining two other realms against a realm with a single city-region. Morek had lots of potential conflicts with each neighbour, but preferred to just sign alliances with their neighbours instead restoring the old SA alliance powerbloc of Astrum-Morek-Arnor. You offer to support your ally and they just ignore you to trade regions and sign alliances because of this misguided idea that religions should be all allied and never fight each other. Arnor is like Swordfell, always preferring to crush small neighbours and try to build an empire where they have so many regions they can't have enough lords for them.
Arnor is already aggressive against HD as is and I know where Morek's loyalties will always lie, so it'll be just a repeat of the previous war. Try to help our ally Westfold and Swordfell/Arnor/Morek will go on about how we are now gangbanging Swordfell and pile in on us. I've been trying to march out to help Westgard, but seriously, at that distance, its no wonder I can't get anyone interested in trekking so far.
We need to fight a war, but any limited war will just be broken and turn into being overwhelmed. And after attempting to try to fight a limited war to rejuvenate Eponllyn and having that backfire with Perdan/Vix going back on all their agreements, I don't particularly feel like repeating that all over again right now.
In my view, religious elders should be antagonizing their faithful to deal with these issues ICly as much as we discuss them OOCly. Silent government members, too many alliances, collecting too many titles etc. as being imbalanced, sinful, unethical, evil etc.
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Morek needs a bigger nudge than HD. I've tried to pursue some balanced conflicts, but either everyone seems to love being alliance chains and considers war evil or I can't get replies back. After all, it gets really discouraging to do anything myself.
I mean look at Swordfell and Westfold. Westfold starts a limited war with a relative challenge for themselves. Swordfell's response? Immediately, 'We are going to destroy you'. Just like joining two other realms against a realm with a single city-region. Morek had lots of potential conflicts with each neighbour, but preferred to just sign alliances with their neighbours instead restoring the old SA alliance powerbloc of Astrum-Morek-Arnor. You offer to support your ally and they just ignore you to trade regions and sign alliances because of this misguided idea that religions should be all allied and never fight each other. Arnor is like Swordfell, always preferring to crush small neighbours and try to build an empire where they have so many regions they can't have enough lords for them.
Dusty and I tried so hard to do something interesting, Once Aletha "died" seems like everyone else in Morek was too scared to do anything.
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I mean look at Swordfell and Westfold. Westfold starts a limited war with a relative challenge for themselves. Swordfell's response? Immediately, 'We are going to destroy you'.
I'm not surprised. Swordfell didn't participate in any wars for what.. 3 RL years?
They're like starving beggars who were given a loaf of bread and asked to only eat a few slices of it. Of course these poor sods will gobble it all. I guess onus is on their current leadership to treat this war responsibly, hopefully they will come to this in time.
We need to fight a war, but any limited war will just be broken and turn into being overwhelmed. And after attempting to try to fight a limited war to rejuvenate Eponllyn and having that backfire with Perdan/Vix going back on all their agreements, I don't particularly feel like repeating that all over again right now.
What's wrong with backstabbing? We could actually use more of it. At least players of Perdan's and Vix's leaders seem fairly reasonable and to be honest the fact that the war is still going is completely on Eponllyn.
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Yeah, I don't think Swordfell's been involved in any wars since it was founded (3+ years ago) until they joined Morek and Arnor to stomp Antiqualia out in Springdale, and now the war declared by Westfold.
I got the same feeling from Morek after Aletha departed. 'hey, we are going to have a war, lets work together!' 'okay, whats up?' *crickets* 'hey guys, need any food while we get ready?' *crickets* *region trades* *many new alliances*
Nothing wrong with backstabbing. More the constant escalation of conflicts into all-or-nothing affairs, especially from players who were patting themselves on the back about how great they were at limited war and how opposed they were to till-the-death conflicts. Eponllyn has surrendered to Perdan/Vix terms multiple times over multiple months; if Perdan/Vix wanted the war to end, it could. But Perdan/Vix have kept asking for more every time Eponllyn agreed to terms, if they haven't surprise-attacked them under guise of peace. Eponllyn cannot force them to stop warring it.
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Morek needs a bigger nudge than HD. I've tried to pursue some balanced conflicts, but either everyone seems to love being alliance chains and considers war evil or I can't get replies back. After all, it gets really discouraging to do anything myself.
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Arnor is too big, that much for sure. I have been thinking, we need another "Aletha Portal summon" nudge somewhere. Another Daimon big invasion, like you say previously, player control mechanism 8)
Or could we have "Zuma" nudge return? I saw Zuma battle reports frequently, let them return :P
See more below.
Dusty and I tried so hard to do something interesting, Once Aletha "died" seems like everyone else in Morek was too scared to do anything.
Minus all the new nobles that arrive in Morek to form new Terran realm, Morek does not have a full functional army at all. When my character Gary was appointed/elected as its General, I saw we could not even fight one realm on our own. And when we doing takeovers recently, you can guess how many nobles turn up. I not going to say much about Morek inner stuff, it should be secret, but basically Morek cannot do anything without its allies. Given few resources, I did realize we could never hope to recapture Aegir Deep back from Arnor in our war against them.
About Dwilight alliances. It looks a bit too similar to what my character has experienced at Colonies island. Where Oritolon ally with Lukon, Minas Thalion, Aren. I had to untangle the alliances on that island through much effort by saying "goodbye ally status" to Minas Thalion and Aren. Otherwise basically whole south, east and west of the island locked into alliance due to Oritolon not lowering down the relations. If I have the time, power and people willing, I probably will put efforts to untangle the alliances on Dwilight. But of course I can never do it alone. Every realm leaders have to work together also.
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More the constant escalation of conflicts into all-or-nothing affairs, especially from players who were patting themselves on the back about how great they were at limited war and how opposed they were to till-the-death conflicts.
Didn't look like that from my perspective.
I mean, Perdan had an ancient ambition to reclaim its namesake city and honestly that endeavour was a lot of fun. If Eponllyn did not declare hatred Perdan would never have crossed the river and we would have had peace a long time ago. Not to mention all the offers to carve a new realm for Eponllyn from decaying Nivemus.
But of course I can never do it alone.
Don't. You're not the only one who wants to shake up the status quo time after time, you can always find a willing partner if you try.
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A note:
Dwilight has 310 regions for 247 nobles.
There's not much reason to fight one another.
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Not an exactly fair assessment given the western continent is mostly off limits.
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dwi is fine, you have all realms occupied with some form of conflict except hd, hd should go fight in westgard its actually a lot of fun
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The talk of reforming Terran is the most boring thing that's come up in the last few months. I bet it'll even be named 'Terran' or something like 'Terrandale' and be a realm founded on justice and honour and goodness reclaiming it's lost lands and battling monsters for years . Boring
The trouble maker imaginative creator nobles of Dwilight have been successfully purged by years of failed ways to make the game fun and what's left is milqtoast vanilla
well hopefully the Westfold / Swordfell war will have Swordfell come up with a massive federated alliances of Astrum/Morek/Arnor when things get tough for them. Maybe play the SA card *yawn*
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HD is much in the same boat as Morek in terms of martial capability. Which was why first we were attempting to coordinate together against another realm. Seoras had sent a few letters about either food or if they needed combat assistance to Morek before Aegir's Deep was returned. We had sent food while Aletha was still around, but I didn't hear anything after Katrina became ruler. After that fell through, Katrina asked about Taishan. I was going to propose a limited war between Morek-HD over Taishan to give both our realms something to do, but Katrina never replied to my reply, so it never got that far.
Perhaps we should not assume we need to occupy every region on the map until everyone is a lord?
I heard Westfold had a lot of fun last time they fought there too. ;) Hopefully we can avoid that debacle ourselves, if we go out there.
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Reforming Terran in a high NPC monster area without any other potential stressors sounds like a recipe for disaster, they will literally sit there for many rl years before anyone else bothers to set up a kingdom there. Look at Westgard they can barely hold onto what they have and are barely involved in world politics. Its boring, unless you lile fighting monsters and collecting gold which neither interest me at all. I have played this game for a decade or so and been absolutely broke living tax to tax since I started, I have nothing except for about 5 or so times wearing a crown on my head ruling kingdoms and a vast amount of adventured roleplayed stories that have developed over that decade. This game is good when it imvolves human conflict and not very good when it involves monsters and gold.
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So far I haven't seen Swordfell's allies in a hurry to join in the war and stomp Westfold. Probably because they've other more urgent fish to fry. Regardless, it's helping keep our part of Dwilight entertaining.
We're having a fine little war with wins and losses for both sides and more than enough risk of disaster I think -- well, at least from our side of the equation, I don't know how they feel. For us it's way better than fighting an AI monster or sitting on ever larger piles of gold.
OOC'ly i hope the Swordfell players recognize it as a chance to do something different for a while. I've had some people in and out of the conflict message me and suggest we started the war 'cause we were bored. That's putting the cart before the horse. It's because it's interesting to reach for something that's not a certainty.
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Not an exactly fair assessment given the western continent is mostly off limits.
It's not at all off limits, and psychologically, players look at all those empty cities and think, "Why should I spend 6 months trying to take a city from my neighbor and it'll go to someone else in the realm when I can just trail blaze?"
Not that easy, of course, but people do it.
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Reforming Terran in a high NPC monster area without any other potential stressors sounds like a recipe for disaster, they will literally sit there for many rl years before anyone else bothers to set up a kingdom there. Look at Westgard they can barely hold onto what they have and are barely involved in world politics. Its boring, unless you lile fighting monsters and collecting gold which neither interest me at all. I have played this game for a decade or so and been absolutely broke living tax to tax since I started, I have nothing except for about 5 or so times wearing a crown on my head ruling kingdoms and a vast amount of adventured roleplayed stories that have developed over that decade. This game is good when it imvolves human conflict and not very good when it involves monsters and gold.
Well if you're feeling crazy, you're always welcome in Luria Borreal. After Arkady's ousting, the realm has now pretty much been taken over by religious nutjobs (of ESA, not SA) who have begun rebuilding the realm. Right now it's fighting monsters to re-establish controll while exerting the religious mandate and war will come soon enough. Of that I'm sure. It's good to be playing a religious char again, forgot how much fun it could be.
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After that fell through, Katrina asked about Taishan. I was going to propose a limited war between Morek-HD over Taishan to give both our realms something to do, but Katrina never replied to my reply, so it never got that far.
You should talk to the General Master of War Gary of Morek. Maybe Generals have power to come out with something fun, without making it unfun 8)
When I saw Dhara starting to ally/peace many realms not too long ago, many nobles did comment we are doing peacemaster and not battlemaster. I was going to propose limited realms alliance to limit allies you can have. But then I realize developers already have many things on their plates to munch on :P
Next I am thinking should we get Zuma become crazy and go after human realm ;D
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I've been blabbering on about limited alliances and smaller realms since forever and it just won't happen. We are doomed to play out this game on some sort of real world timeline, a few hundred years from now some horde will come riding down from some place and wipe out someone and then become the ruling empire and repeat ad infintum. We care far too much about holding what we have instead of taking someone elses.
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HD is much in the same boat as Morek in terms of martial capability. Which was why first we were attempting to coordinate together against another realm. Seoras had sent a few letters about either food or if they needed combat assistance to Morek before Aegir's Deep was returned. We had sent food while Aletha was still around, but I didn't hear anything after Katrina became ruler. After that fell through, Katrina asked about Taishan. I was going to propose a limited war between Morek-HD over Taishan to give both our realms something to do, but Katrina never replied to my reply, so it never got that far.
Katrina is probably one of the most boring rulers in BM, doesnt talk to the realm, doesnt talk to other rulers, doesnt do anything but sit in 1 spot day in day out. Even with all the excitement going on in Morek right now she has barely said a word.
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better get rid of her then.
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better get rid of her then.
They did. It's why Morek now has a Mayhem ruler. Talk about going from the frying pan and into the fire, eh.
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They did. It's why Morek now has a Mayhem ruler. Talk about going from the frying pan and into the fire, eh.
Interesting to note also that Morek's new ruler seems more interested in re-creating Terran than he is in Morek :p
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Interesting to note also that Morek's new ruler seems more interested in re-creating Terran than he is in Morek :p
He is also adamant on reinstating Katrina as soon as he leaves.
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He is also adamant on reinstating Katrina as soon as he leaves.
That's a violation of the rules I believe, the Placeholder one to be specific.
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That's a violation of the rules I believe, the Placeholder one to be specific.
Well Mayhem and his cronies started a rebellion and overthrew the newleader we elected in order to do so.
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Mayhem at least lives up to his name but his name is detrimental because every time he shows up in a realm 'Mayhem' will set off alarms... I'd have chosen something like "Peacehem' or something. I like the chaos he creates though, the guy seems to get around and in trouble a lot.
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jacking a ruler's realm to make a new one, promising to give the realm back when done... technically "placeholding", but completely outside the actual behavior the rule is meant to prevent
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omg dwilight ... seriously?
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He is also adamant on reinstating Katrina as soon as he leaves.
That's a violation of the rules I believe, the Placeholder one to be specific.
Hmmmm, that is a bit tough spot we in. Is it violation of the rules? Placeholder probably :-\
Mayhem at least lives up to his name but his name is detrimental because every time he shows up in a realm 'Mayhem' will set off alarms... I'd have chosen something like "Peacehem' or something. I like the chaos he creates though, the guy seems to get around and in trouble a lot.
He ain't called Mayhem for nothing! :P
omg dwilight ... seriously?
What happen? ???
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Nothing happened or is happening. Dwilight is near dead.
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Nothing happened or is happening. Dwilight is near dead.
I hear your name come out, clearly you are popular :P
I have been thinking how to spice things up.
If we wish for wars, we can have evenly, or similar size realms fight each other one to one. Make them promise their ESA or SA realms allies that this is limited war. Or if that realm too big size and we can have 2 realms of similar size to balance the scale of war, by all right do so. But spell clearly to other realms so that noone allies or religious ones come rushing to unbalance the war.
This could be note to all realms Rulers. Sorry I not Ruler at this time so can't do much.
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I hear your name come out, clearly you are popular :P
I have been thinking how to spice things up.
If we wish for wars, we can have evenly, or similar size realms fight each other one to one. Make them promise their ESA or SA realms allies that this is limited war. Or if that realm too big size and we can have 2 realms of similar size to balance the scale of war, by all right do so. But spell clearly to other realms so that noone allies or religious ones come rushing to unbalance the war.
This could be note to all realms Rulers. Sorry I not Ruler at this time so can't do much.
SA realms refuse to listen often times. (points to Antiqualia)
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With religious tension at an all time high in the North, one would hope some kind of war is on the horizon. Also considering Astrum is the only theocracy left with any strengh, it's hard to see it devolving to a one sided massacre unless Arnor interfere. Astrum and Swordfell vs. Westfold, Luria Borealis and maybe Helyg Derwyddon could be fun, although I'll admit I don't know enough about the internal situation in Astrum to know whether that's likely at all.
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I hear your name come out, clearly you are popular :P
I have been thinking how to spice things up.
If we wish for wars, we can have evenly, or similar size realms fight each other one to one. Make them promise their ESA or SA realms allies that this is limited war. Or if that realm too big size and we can have 2 realms of similar size to balance the scale of war, by all right do so. But spell clearly to other realms so that noone allies or religious ones come rushing to unbalance the war.
This could be note to all realms Rulers. Sorry I not Ruler at this time so can't do much.
Sometimes I think the concern with having an absolutely perfect limited with no risk for either side war, is partly what's encouraging this stagnation in the first place. If more people were willing to take risks and start conflicts wherever they can, rather than sit around waiting for someone to artificially craft the perfect war in which they have no risk of losing a region (and more often than not than getting so bored waiting they just end up jumping into the nearest risk-free gangbang), then things would be much more fun.
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you must not like astrum. swordfell i wonder if they even like themselves
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Nothing happened or is happening. Dwilight is near dead.
Not sure about you, but we just made a trip to Swordfell where one was crushed by monsters on our way to it and even I couldn't do that much of damage, but it was fun nonetheless. You see these religious tensions are spawning more and more as you are aware. We just all have to take the small steps required, rather than waiting for the 'big parties' to make a move. So what if you lose some regions, as long as you're having fun.
I'm thinking of installing a policy in Luria Borreal where we can't have more regions than nobles.
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With monsters at an all-time high, I don't forsee much human-versus-human wars anytime soon. It looks like Fissoa and L. Boreal are folding, even Arnor is losing regions, and Swordfell lost more to monsters than to Westfold
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With monsters at an all-time high, I don't forsee much human-versus-human wars anytime soon. It looks like Fissoa and L. Boreal are folding, even Arnor is losing regions, and Swordfell lost more to monsters than to Westfold
Neah that's just a limited way of looking at all the possibilities you have. Luria Borreal is not really having much issues other than that the user base is a bit low now and that 2 of them actually moved to Swordfell to loot the place there (in a somewhat failed campaign) which allowed the monsters to gain some ground. But there will be some changes, but I wouldn't worry for LB at least.
With the coding as it is, we must simply adopt to a situation where perhaps not even all of the East can/should be populized.
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Humans wouldn't fight humans anyway. At least they have something to fight now.
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Humans wouldn't fight humans anyway. At least they have something to fight now.
*clears throat*
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