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BattleMaster => Locals => East Island => Topic started by: Zakilevo on July 10, 2016, 09:50:24 PM
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Xavax's diplomatic relation was pretty stupid I feel. They made exactly one ally then decided to fight all the small realms at once. Should have come up with a plan to keep Perdan and Vix busy for longer or ended the war ASAP. By achieving none, Xavax got cornered pretty quickly.
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that was in reference to a xavax player's statement, to them we are north. see, i can see things from the other side's perspective ... ooh another thing to add to the list.
16. empathy for our enemies
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of course i would contend that perdan's role is indeed the most stereotypical of heroic white knight roles (see title), gallivanting around defending the weak against the oppressions of the unjust
Except where Perdan has raped, slaughtered, and starved the actual stereotypical, heroic Eponlli white knights, stolen their capital twice etc. Hell, Perdan even *tortured* the stereotypical, heroic Eponlli white knight King Garin. With glee, as I recall, and promises to do it again. Eponllyn has not raped, slaughtered, or starved peasants in its entire history. Any troopleader that did was punished with excessive fines and threats of banishment should it continue.
I always find the grasp of geography on EC a little disconcerting... the Southern Alliance was led by Perdan which was on the North coast of EC.
We in Eponlli objected to Perdanese called Southern. They are Central, along with Caligus. It *was* rather confusing to move north, as southerners, and invade Perdan from the north, as southerners. And then to live north of Perdan, as Southerners.
...perhaps the mis-named alliances are part of Perdans psychology of war to throw off their enemies.
This would fit Perdan I think.
So, I've got fond memories of Perdan, so I thought I'd just enjoy reading this, but is there a way I can see this? I'm really curious now.
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We in Eponlli objected to Perdanese called Southern. They are Central, along with Caligus. It *was* rather confusing to move north, as southerners, and invade Perdan from the north, as southerners. And then to live north of Perdan, as Southerners.
I always struggled with this terminology as well. We're actually referring to Sirion as being in the West now in Oligarch, but we still speak about the northern realms as in Eponllyn, Nivemus, Sirion, Shadowdale and Oligarch. Like the phrasing is so freaking rediculous that it's kinda funny, yet confusing.
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Yeah, don't ever let Jeroen catch you calling Eponllyn northerner. :P Though by now, with the shift in internal realm nobility, its probably been acclimated there by now.
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Yeah, don't ever let Jeroen catch you calling Eponllyn northerner. :P Though by now, with the shift in internal realm nobility, its probably been acclimated there by now.
I'm not sure how many of 'old Eponllyn' is left actually.
And to get back to the topic
I love how Perdan decided to support their ally in an already even battle :)
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Eponllyn has not raped, slaughtered, or starved peasants in its entire history.
Yay for you? That's a brilliant accomplishment.
No one gives two !@#$s about them peasants.
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Yay for you? That's a brilliant accomplishment.
No one gives two !@#$s about them peasants.
That's demonstrably false.
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By the way, during the latest war Eponllyn did starve their poor peasants in Perdan city and other southern regions to deny Perdan any grain. In Perdan city alone thousands died. Looks like Eponllyn's greatest accomplishment is a lie. :(
When Perdan starves or kills peasants it owns it at least.
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By the way, during the latest war Eponllyn did starve their poor peasants in Perdan city and other southern regions to deny Perdan any grain. In Perdan city alone thousands died. Looks like Eponllyn's greatest accomplishment is a lie. :(
Elementary much? "Hahahaha, we looted and ravaged all your foodstocks, now you are starving. Hey, quit starving your people!", "Hey, we are pinching you, stop getting pinched! stop getting pinched!". No, Eponllyn did not starve Perdan City. Perdan did, just as much as Perdan starved Ibladesh before by looting all the foodstuffs gone.
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Elementary much? "Hahahaha, we looted and ravaged all your foodstocks, now you are starving. Hey, quit starving your people!", "Hey, we are pinching you, stop getting pinched! stop getting pinched!". No, Eponllyn did not starve Perdan City. Perdan did, just as much as Perdan starved Ibladesh before by looting all the foodstuffs gone.
Constantine has long been blinded by the "white knight Perdan" myth.
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Elementary much? "Hahahaha, we looted and ravaged all your foodstocks, now you are starving. Hey, quit starving your people!", "Hey, we are pinching you, stop getting pinched! stop getting pinched!". No, Eponllyn did not starve Perdan City. Perdan did, just as much as Perdan starved Ibladesh before by looting all the foodstuffs gone.
Not true. We didn't loot all those foodstocks into oblivion. Food from southern provinces was actually moved away by Eppy players to other regions and even other realms, like Fallangard. So yeah, they deliberately starved their regions while we were conducting takeovers.
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Not true. We didn't loot all those foodstocks into oblivion. Food from southern provinces was actually moved away by Eppy players to other regions and even other realms, like Fallangard. So yeah, they deliberately starved their regions while we were conducting takeovers.
Well, I can't account for every other character in the realm, but as the duke of the area and lord of one of the best rurals, I did not encounter this and would wonder how you would have such strong, conclusive proof of any such behavior, not being within Eponllyn, to so confidently declare it 'not true'. You do realize that bringing in thousands and thousands of men, in your army, and sitting them in a region conducting a takeover eat the local food? Also, you most certainly did loot food from our regions, amongst other looting tactics.
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someone made a strategically smart move to win a war
losing side complains despite having used same tactic themselves many times
news at 11
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someone made a strategically smart move to win a war
losing side complains despite having used same tactic themselves many times
No, you stated Perdan was SO INNOCENT, I point out why its not, Constantine claimed no one cared, then that Eponllyn did starve peasants, and now you twist my point to complain about a 'strategically smart move', which NO ONE WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT. And reasserted that Eponllyn used the same tactic themselves, which IT DID NOT.
I am so sick of Perdan's players constantly twisting events around because they cannot possibly accept that Perdan is anything but Pure Sacred Holiness that can never, ever be defiled. Always wanting it their way, both ways. It seems that Perdan's players will say anything in their favor, whether its even consistent with their other statements or reality.
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someone made a strategically smart move to win a war
losing side complains despite having used same tactic themselves many times
news at 11
Well in this case I do have to side with Vita. I know I ordered those tactics in Oligarch, but Eponllyn of old would probably not (not saying anything of current Eponllyn, which is a different realm almost). I worked quite closely with their General for long and he was quite strict on tactics used, Jeroen (Vita's char) was even worse and also Garin would not have allowed it from what I've seen.
The point itself is rather moot as the story has played out mostly, but since this is an OOC forum, I would be carefull assuming things too quickly.
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im not specifically referring to ep. as these are ooc complaints im taking a holistic view of player behavior across characters. seems no one has a problem with the use of legitimate ingame functions until they catch the short end of the stick, then suddenly looting and winning wars is wrong and evil.
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im not specifically referring to ep. as these are ooc complaints im taking a holistic view of player behavior across characters. seems no one has a problem with the use of legitimate ingame functions until they catch the short end of the stick, then suddenly looting and winning wars is wrong and evil.
I do not have a problem with their usage. Someone must play the roles of winner and victor at some point and we have multiple characters and islands so we can share those roles.
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so your point in this whole argument?
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You stated Perdan was a white knight. I stated it was not. Constantine defended your claim. You setup and knocked down strawmen.
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yes vita, i genuinely view perdan as a perfectly honorable white knight realm. there's absolutely no sarcasm involved in my perdan and vix thread where i list looting as a reason why i love perdan three times.
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Perdan is the greatest. Pony realm thought they could escalate the war but their weak allies failed to back them whatsoever - not to mention, when they did back them, they still lost. We took back our city and restored the greatness of our realm. We tripled our nobles and decided that crushing the South is to our advantage to keep the world split up and puppet everyone, because in truth, Vix-Perdan is the only Axis of Evil that ever was.
We own every gym on this continent and smack the kids who even attempt to glance at it. Deal with it.
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Because sarcastic trolling totally helps the image of Perdan's players as playing with others and not against others.
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its really the only way to handle it when your critics cover their ears and yell nanananana every time you make a point.
the fact that your argument has devolved to "well i just don't like that you say you're white knights... oh that was sarcasm, stop being sarcastic then!" is pretty telling.
everything perdan has done as far as these wars has been legit. we haven't cheated. we have almost entirely avoided even ic personal insults. any light-hearted forum trolling has been the result of exasperation and at the incredible recalcitrance of our critics, whose entire argument boils down to one single point, that they don't like losing and they don't like us for beating them.
you don't like that our two realms are stronger than yours? get allies. your allies cant help you? probably shouldn't have put yourself in a position of conflict. in a position of conflict where you can't win? probably shouldn't say things like "we will never surrender, we will fight you to the death!"
eppy could have avoided war if they'd just let perdan and vix cross their lands. refuse? consequences. simple.
xavax had a chance to surrender. refuse? consequences. simple.
if you don't like perdan, beat us. crying about it wont do you any good.
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Hypocrites. What are the consequences for Vix betraying Perdan?
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Perdan is the greatest. Pony realm thought they could escalate the war but their weak allies failed to back them whatsoever - not to mention, when they did back them, they still lost. We took back our city and restored the greatness of our realm. We tripled our nobles and decided that crushing the South is to our advantage to keep the world split up and puppet everyone, because in truth, Vix-Perdan is the only Axis of Evil that ever was.
We own every gym on this continent and smack the kids who even attempt to glance at it. Deal with it.
Actually what Zakky say is right. And Fleugs.
Speaking from one of the realms that interact with Perdan whether through wars, or peace before the storm, Nivemus.
One word I have for Perdan army: Respect. Their movements are impressive, their nobles are working hard. PMW army. Only those opposing military leaders who face them will know what this army did and continue to do.
Taking Perdan army aside, about the reason for war: Perdan has won the war with Eponllyn. The war was first started with intention to acquire Eponllyn lands passage right for themselves to travel to north. Nothing was mentioned about taking lands from Eponllyn; I think there is where Vita come in and states many times about the reason for war. What many Eponllyn nobles dislike is the fact Perdan taking the lands. However we need understand that if you have some other realm namesake city, what to stop them from coming after your realm in future? Reminded me of when Fontan asked for Fontan city back from Caligus realm but Caligus Ruler Dobromir refused to give back. And Caligus had army power to back up his word at that time while Fontan not, for Fontan was at its weakest moment at that time.
Even as Eponllyn ally, Nivemus army entered the war a bit too late, let face the reality. Eponllyn allies do not act in time. Eponllyn already under severe pressure from both Perdan and Vix armies; hence my term coinage "one moving in and another moving out". Another Eponllyn ally, Sirion was busy occupied with war against Oligarch and did not come. Another Eponllyn ally, Fallangard now is facing reality or consequence whichever you wish to call it, for not helping Eponllyn. Now Fallangard know who will come to its aid against Vix and Perdan and even Caligus. So I understand Vita phrase previously about "they come for me but you no come help me" kind of quote. I think I listen to this quote somewhere before.
About Vix, I have 1 word for them: Follower. They appear to follow whatever Perdan decides and does. Perdan war with Eponllyn? Well, Vix also followed Perdan. Perdan taking Eponllyn lands? Well, Vix also followed Perdan. Make many players including myself think that perhaps the little war between Perdan and Vix are just civil war for show.
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Actually what Zakky say is right. And Fleugs.
Speaking from one of the realms that interact with Perdan whether through wars, or peace before the storm, Nivemus.
One word I have for Perdan army: Respect. Their movements are impressive, their nobles are working hard. PMW army. Only those opposing military leaders who face them will know what this army did and continue to do.
Taking Perdan army aside, about the reason for war: Perdan has won the war with Eponllyn. The war was first started with intention to acquire Eponllyn lands passage right for themselves to travel to north. Nothing was mentioned about taking lands from Eponllyn; I think there is where Vita come in and states many times about the reason for war. What many Eponllyn nobles dislike is the fact Perdan taking the lands. However we need understand that if you have some other realm namesake city, what to stop them from coming after your realm in future? Reminded me of when Fontan asked for Fontan city back from Caligus realm but Caligus Ruler Dobromir refused to give back. And Caligus had army power to back up his word at that time while Fontan not, for Fontan was at its weakest moment at that time.
Even as Eponllyn ally, Nivemus army entered the war a bit too late, let face the reality. Eponllyn allies do not act in time. Eponllyn already under severe pressure from both Perdan and Vix armies; hence my term coinage "one moving in and another moving out". Another Eponllyn ally, Sirion was busy occupied with war against Oligarch and did not come. Another Eponllyn ally, Fallangard now is facing reality or consequence whichever you wish to call it, for not helping Eponllyn. Now Fallangard know who will come to its aid against Vix and Perdan and even Caligus. So I understand Vita phrase previously about "they come for me but you no come help me" kind of quote. I think I listen to this quote somewhere before.
About Vix, I have 1 word for them: Follower. They appear to follow whatever Perdan decides and does. Perdan war with Eponllyn? Well, Vix also followed Perdan. Perdan taking Eponllyn lands? Well, Vix also followed Perdan. Make many players including myself think that perhaps the little war between Perdan and Vix are just civil war for show.
The fact that they took the land, by itself, has little to do with why people are angry with Perdan's players. Oh, and I seem to remember a certain army with insanely good movement times in Perdan. A certain Perdan Lions? That in itself has me very unwilling to give Perdan much respect in regards to army ability. Especially the older players.
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annnnnd another "we're not mad perdan won, just don't ask us why we're mad, we'll think of something" post.
tell me all about these insane movement rates, please.
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Perdan has traditionally had a very active military. Only time Perdan didn't have that kind of military was when I was ruling Perdan :o Would have been nice if I had a military like that...
I believe only Fontan in their golden days could match Perdan's insane movement. It is all about how many dedicated nobles you can encourage to stay active. Not an easy task. Many marshals tried and failed.
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Perdan has traditionally had a very active military. Only time Perdan didn't have that kind of military was when I was ruling Perdan :o Would have been nice if I had a military like that...
I believe only Fontan in their golden days could match Perdan's insane movement. It is all about how many dedicated nobles you can encourage to stay active. Not an easy task. Many marshals tried and failed.
You realized that this was because Perdan had a bunch of multis. In fact, that was the very cause of their collapse in the first place. I should know, I arrived just after it happened and tried to help hold the realm together.
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I wouldn't go as far as multies. They were Atanamir's real life friends apparently. So more like a group than one person doing everything. A lot of people quit when Atanamir got perma locked but that was more of Perdan's typical our guy did nothing wrong he was a good guy mentality. So it was more of people rage quitting about it than Atanamir quitting to control his multies because he couldn't play his main.
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who is atanamir and what does he have to do with the discussion at hand
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who is atanamir and what does he have to do with the discussion at hand
Since you can't seem tofollow, let me break it down for you: You asked "tell me all about these insane movement rates, please." Gundam responded with the story about atanamir and his clan, calling them multis, Zakky corrected him that they were in fact a clan, not a multi.
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Yep. steelabjur put it pretty well.
Atanamir is one of the most infamous kings of Perdan. Perdan was probably at their peak under his rule. I was his opponent as Prime Minister of Sirion. Perdan had an army called Perdan's murderous wrath or something which had something ridiculous like 95% movement rate every turn. The whole army either had infantry or SF - because people believed infantry was the best and most efficient class back then. It was Perdan's meat grinder. With that army, Perdan was fielding 30k CS army grinding everything that got in their ways. I think at one point he beat Armonia, Eponllyn and Caligus all at once. That is why you see Perleone under Perdan and Vix. Anyway long story short, he had a super active army only Fontan's Lions could match. Fontan's lions was a multi controlled army while Atanamir's PMW was more of an army full of active players + his buddies. I remember someone jokingly said Atanamir probably phoned his grandmother to login so she could move her characters.
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right, what i mean is "what does that have to do with perdan right now" as it seems gundam thinks this former player and his now defunct army is a valid point in this discussion, which its not.
the more you know ~~~*
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dont worry about it though i see this thread is about as worth my time as the xavax one, have at it
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Vix a Follower? Ya I do not have a problem with it if you feel that way. I believe, in succesful alliance blocks, there is always one who is the alpha leader and the other one follows. Maybe not always this strong but well..
Seeing how Perdan has almost double our noble count and double our combat strength, I think it's even wise to hear them out what they would like to do. But rest assured, we communicate on a daily basis and it's not a one way street.
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Indeed. Perdan also invests a lot to keep the alliance relation to stay strong. If you dig a bit deeper, you will find the complication behind the scene. ^^
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Yep. steelabjur put it pretty well.
Atanamir is one of the most infamous kings of Perdan. Perdan was probably at their peak under his rule. I was his opponent as Prime Minister of Sirion. Perdan had an army called Perdan's murderous wrath or something which had something ridiculous like 95% movement rate every turn. The whole army either had infantry or SF - because people believed infantry was the best and most efficient class back then. It was Perdan's meat grinder. With that army, Perdan was fielding 30k CS army grinding everything that got in their ways. I think at one point he beat Armonia, Eponllyn and Caligus all at once. That is why you see Perleone under Perdan and Vix. Anyway long story short, he had a super active army only Fontan's Lions could match. Fontan's lions was a multi controlled army while Atanamir's PMW was more of an army full of active players + his buddies. I remember someone jokingly said Atanamir probably phoned his grandmother to login so she could move her characters.
Being one of the Fontan Lions myself, I still object to this accusation that the whole basis was multis. In fact, most of the Lions were all quite vocal, so if it was a multi, he was one without a life as there were different levels of English mixed with a lot of vocality. I think there there was the same problem as with Perdan. The leader of the lions got a temp lock for 3 days or so and then raged quite as he completely objected to why he got that lock. In response many others joined his rage, !@#$ this game, it's become !@#$, kind of tyrade and half of the lions left.
Anyway, Perdan's military is quite impressive, but Dodger asked why people have some problems with Perdan and we seem to dance around the subject.
The fear is for me at least, that with Perdan's current way of playing, we'll get to an Atamaran situation where eiter no wars can be fought, or the Perdan aliance will just role in and steamrole everyone, sucking the fun out of the continent. That fear (just after the sinking of Atamara) is what drives this I think.
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The fear is for me at least, that with Perdan's current way of playing, we'll get to an Atamaran situation where eiter no wars can be fought, or the Perdan aliance will just role in and steamrole everyone, sucking the fun out of the continent. That fear (just after the sinking of Atamara) is what drives this I think.
Let us analyze this.
Atamara found itself in a gridlock because three realms were allowed to blob beyond proportion and allying with each other they have pretty much made all global conflict impossible.
Perdan adheres to "small realms" policy (which means no more than two cities per realm) and will never ally with realms who do not.
This is the most constructive position an aggressive alpha realm can assume.
People just have to admit that they are only irked by the fact there is an aggressive alpha realm on the continent and it's not their realm.
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Let us analyze this.
Atamara found itself in a gridlock because three realms were allowed to blob beyond proportion and allying with each other they have pretty much made all global conflict impossible.
Perdan adheres to "small realms" policy (which means no more than two cities per realm) and will never ally with realms who do not.
This is the most constructive position an aggressive alpha realm can assume.
People just have to admit that they are only irked by the fact there is an aggressive alpha realm on the continent and it's not their realm.
It will most likely stay that way only under Flegus or Odoaker if you don't know who Fleugs is. The only limiting factor for Perdan after him will be the new restriction on the realm size. Sirion suffered greatly and will not dare to enlarge their realm again beyond their current size. Perdan knows about this and will probably try to set up colonies or puppet states. Sadly that won't be feasible either. More enemies you create, the harder it will become. The game has changed a lot over the years and with our current number of players, making too many enemies can backfire greatly since even 10 nobles joining your enemy will turn the tide significantly in your enemy's favour especially if your enemy is already equal to your size.
This is why Perdan doesn't try to displease Vix as they do not want an enemy who literally sits in the center of their own realm. Someone will have to deal with Perdan and Vix at some point. It will up to the next great politician. Unlike Atamara however, EC's geography is not as suitable for forming a large bloc in the center. You can get sandwiched in or be overwhelmed if you make too many enemies like Perdan did previously. Perdan got smashed in the last great war. They are not unbeatable.
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Let us analyze this.
Atamara found itself in a gridlock because three realms were allowed to blob beyond proportion and allying with each other they have pretty much made all global conflict impossible.
Perdan adheres to "small realms" policy (which means no more than two cities per realm) and will never ally with realms who do not.
This is the most constructive position an aggressive alpha realm can assume.
People just have to admit that they are only irked by the fact there is an aggressive alpha realm on the continent and it's not their realm.
And now let's put a more thorough analysis on that level on EC.
Perdan and Vix controll the center and with Vix/Caligus that becomes an potential huge problem. Now these two realms consolidate their relations in the south/west by weakening the only one who could harm them and bettering relations with the rest. Slowly but surely you get a position where they may well be nobody to fight them, untill one of the 3 actively fights one of the other 3 central realms.
As I said, that is where at least part of my fear on this matter comes from as it's starting to look more and more like Atamara. I'm not saying it's exactly the same, I'm just saying the situation is slowly evolving to a point where that may well become near enough the case.
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Being one of the Fontan Lions myself, I still object to this accusation that the whole basis was multis. In fact, most of the Lions were all quite vocal, so if it was a multi, he was one without a life as there were different levels of English mixed with a lot of vocality. I think there there was the same problem as with Perdan. The leader of the lions got a temp lock for 3 days or so and then raged quite as he completely objected to why he got that lock. In response many others joined his rage, !@#$ this game, it's become !@#$, kind of tyrade and half of the lions left.
A number of the Lions had their accounts labeled as being from Paraguay (?), where the leader was from. They quit to a man when he did.
A few years later, the leader rejoined the game, using the same family name (which is just fine), and several of the other Paraguayan (?) Lion families rejoined around the same time.
When we investigated them then, we found that they were, without any doubt at all, multicheating.
This does not mean that they were multicheating when they were in Fontan before; however, it does raise significant questions.
(Also, as I recall, having also been there at the time, most of the leader's rant was more of the "you've ruined my reputation, I can't stay here unless you take back the punishment" type. Really very arrogant.)
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A number of the Lions had their accounts labeled as being from Paraguay (?), where the leader was from. They quit to a man when he did.
A few years later, the leader rejoined the game, using the same family name (which is just fine), and several of the other Paraguayan (?) Lion families rejoined around the same time.
When we investigated them then, we found that they were, without any doubt at all, multicheating.
This does not mean that they were multicheating when they were in Fontan before; however, it does raise significant questions.
(Also, as I recall, having also been there at the time, most of the leader's rant was more of the "you've ruined my reputation, I can't stay here unless you take back the punishment" type. Really very arrogant.)
Was not aware of that second part, but then we're still only talking about part of the Lions at best. I know some active families also quite around that same time in the rage frenzy, of whom I'm certain they weren't multies.
And yes, from my memmory that was about the reasoning, or a large part of the rant. I think the temp ban was for 'ordering/pushing' for a certain unit type, after which it all enraged.
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Perdan adheres to "small realms" policy (which means no more than two cities per realm) and will never ally with realms who do not.
No, it does not, it just claims it does.
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People just have to admit that they are only irked by the fact there is an aggressive alpha realm on the continent and it's not their realm.
Repeating it doesn't make it true. 'oh, you just dont like us because we are successful' is the laziest copout.
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Perdan and Vix controll the center and with Vix/Caligus that becomes an potential huge problem. Now these two realms consolidate their relations in the south/west by weakening the only one who could harm them and bettering relations with the rest. Slowly but surely you get a position where they may well be nobody to fight them, untill one of the 3 actively fights one of the other 3 central realms.
As I said, that is where at least part of my fear on this matter comes from as it's starting to look more and more like Atamara. I'm not saying it's exactly the same, I'm just saying the situation is slowly evolving to a point where that may well become near enough the case.
I don't understand how you're reaching those conclusions.
Atamara had three superpowers who could not be challenged by the rest of the continent.
EC has two allied realms in the center who can be challenged by a comparable alliance of two or more realms in any configuration.
I mean, do you seriously compare Perdan and Vix to CE and Tara? Seriously?
Of course you're not. And small realms policy ensures that comparison never becomes relevant.
They are not unbeatable.
And that's the point of small realms policy. To remain beatable. If CE took precautions to stay beatable there would be no trouble on Atamara.
No, it does not, it just claims it does.
a) Perdan refuses to grow beyond two cities.
b) Perdan does not ally with realms who do not uphold the small realms principles.
Now you provide your arguments. You seem to lack any.
Repeating it doesn't make it true. 'oh, you just dont like us because we are successful' is the laziest copout.
The most obvious reason is usually the most correct. Sorry, but all your rants boil down to decrying Perdan for being successful more often than you'd like and at your expense apparently.
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So you're saying that there is even a remote chance that Vix and Caligus will get to war?
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It's rather telling that the only thing a discussion with a Perdanite player comes down to are winners/losers, and everything else must be reduced to this simple concept.
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It's rather telling that the only thing a discussion with a Perdanite player comes down to are winners/losers, and everything else must be reduced to this simple concept.
I'd like to give them a bit more credit than that (I know you think I'm too much of a nice trusty guy in that one still) and will assume they simply misread, or not well enough read my explanation. So i will put it a bit more clear, or at least state it differently.
For the way I see it currently you have Perdan/Vix/Caligus who rule the center and with Perdan/Vix' policies in the south there will be nobody left there who will A) war Perdan/Vix or B) is able to war you guys (Xavax). The north is currently not strong enough to face Perdan/Vix/Caligus. In fact without Oligarch, they're not even strong enough combined to fight Perdan/Vix.
I'm not trying to be aggressive on this part at all, I'm trying to rationally explain why I as a player have some fears for EC going the wrong way, as you asked why there are some 'anti Perdan' feelings here. I cannot speak for the others, but this is at least something that concerns me among other things. The other thing is the situation in the north, which is rather toxic as well, which combines simply leads to 2 or 3 power blocks, untill one of the blocks beats the other enough times and becomes dominant.
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People are just jealous of Perdan's power.
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People are just jealous of Perdan's power.
Are you !@#$ing kidding me Fleugs? I'm trying to rationally explain why I have a thought and you come with this bs?
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Are you !@#$ing kidding me Fleugs? I'm trying to rationally explain why I have a thought and you come with this bs?
I became someone who stopped making sense. I now finally feel part of something here.
It wasn't aimed against you Gabanus.
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So you're saying that there is even a remote chance that Vix and Caligus will get to war?
Why not? Happened before, will probably happen again. I mean, what makes you think it is impossible?
It's rather telling that the only thing a discussion with a Perdanite player comes down to are winners/losers, and everything else must be reduced to this simple concept.
Let's see. A certain fellow writes walls of text explaining how Perdan is bent on winning and nothing else. And when he is told that maybe it is him who can not cope OOC with his losing streak, he immediately proclaims it case in point. Gotcha, all Perdanese are in fact only thinking about winning!
Come on, man. That's not even funny at this point.
For the way I see it currently you have Perdan/Vix/Caligus who rule the center and with Perdan/Vix' policies in the south there will be nobody left there who will A) war Perdan/Vix or B) is able to war you guys (Xavax). The north is currently not strong enough to face Perdan/Vix/Caligus. In fact without Oligarch, they're not even strong enough combined to fight Perdan/Vix.
Okay, I thought that was obvious but looks like I'll have to say it. It is okay when a realm or a coalition is dominating. Moreover, it is inevitable in any closed system.
It is only bad when this situation enters a gridlock when power can not be contested and seized even after serious demographic and diplomatic upheaval.
A responsible realm in my opinion does not have to avoid wars, fight with kid gloves or shoot itself in the foot diplomatically to help others overpower it. That's not how you play games.
What a realm can do though is to ensure its hegemony is not eternal by not exploiting its advantage to the max in the long run.
Avoid completely wiping out realms so that they have a second chance later when tides turn. Perdan was in a terrible shape just a year ago, with a single city, poor regions and a handful of knights. Now it's on top again. I honestly believe any realm can accomplish that.
Abstain from hoarding excessive landmass so that it can not be challenged simply due to sheer amount of resources and lack of those on the opposite side.
Limit the number of simultaneous alliances and avoid federations like fire.
If we can achieve that, EC should be fine.
The only real problem that can in fact freeze EC in its current state is lack of new players. If demographics stay the same indefinitely, there can be no real change on political map either.
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This just happened in Perdan;
(27 minutes ago)
message to everyone in the vicinity of Perdan
Avuton Aatu had snuck near Perdan's Palace de Leon to lay his eight portal stones in a circle. Doing so, he muttered about teaching Perdan a lesson for executing his long-lost cousin before they had had occasion to meet in-person. And executing his best mate's girlfriend. And all the other adventuring commoners Perdan had executed of late.
With the bright lights and loud humming bringing him unwanted attention, Avuton Aatu jumped up and ran to the city gates. In all the confusion of night-time strangeness, he slipped through the gatehouse unnoticed, but he could not resist shouting out to the guards as he ran by, "Die you Perdan pigs! Die!"
He kept repeating this, even as he ran by a pigpen outside Perdan's walls. Such was the intensity of Avuton Aatu's hate towards both Perdan specifically, and pigs in general, that these pigs emotionally retained the impression of his anti-perdanite hatred.
As Avuton Aatu fled Perdan, the portal circle he left behind is attacked by Archibald. It only results in many chairs being broken down into firewood — and not very good firewood at that. After assembling enough firewood for a bonfire, and destroying almost all chairs in the city, Archibald is shocked to find Caissa, his faith's goddess, watching him. He was struck dumb, in reverence.
Once he had realized Her presence, She spoke to him, proclaiming, "You shall be given a voice to bring forth a new realm into the Church." She then walked towards Archibald and placed the Sacred Crown of Caissa upon his head. Leaving him in bewilderment and awe, She strode into the portal circle, disappearing into the column of light. When he spoke, he now felt much more convincing in his oratory. But he did worry about wearing the blessed crown of a fickle goddess. Until the greater worry became the green mist that began pouring from out of where Caissa had disappeared into.
Meanwhile, Ares had been sitting counting his gold, again, when four women interrupted his counting, forcing him to restart. Because Ares did not trust accountants and bankers, he did his own gold counting to avoid any financial bureaucrats pocketing his bloody gold. Muttering complaints before he restarted counting, he ceased complaint and recount when he saw the beauty of the youngest woman.
Without word, they motioned Ares to follow them, taking him deep into the catacombs, where they brought him to a dead end. With a kick, the second-youngest woman, a warrior woman, knocked down the wall, revealing a room upon the other side. The oldest woman pointed a bony finger inside as the three younger women entered, lighting torches inside. Ares followed. Inside, he found a vast library, but the three women had disappeared. Looking back through the hole in the wall, the elderly woman had also disappeared.
And so Ares was alone, in a vast, secret library in the catacombs underneath Perdan City. Later, he would learn that those four women were his faith's four goddesses, and learn of the similarity in his experience as that of Emanuel in founding the Triumvirate in Itorunt City long, long ago.
While Ares was exploring the newly-discovered ancient library and discovering many interesting scrolls, Archibald was fleeing the green mist. Despite his best sprint, it overtook him. While it made eyesight more difficult, he soon realized the green fog was harmless, if not an abnormal color. As the green mist grew, the humming and light decreased until they were no more. It lingered within the city, causing much discussion within tavern and coffeehouse.
First, some claimed that the fog had cleared around the Palace de Leon. Others pointed out that it had now reached the city walls. Later, a few claimed the fog to be slowly leaving Perdan City. After some hours, more pockets of the city were reported as being without fog. Some further time out, many concluded that the green mist was moving into Perdan City's neighbouring regions. All the while, everyone complained about Archibald destroying so many chairs that the only choices left were to sit on the floor, stand, or sit on a table.
As the fog left Perdan City, it covered both the hate-enthused pigs and Avuton Aatu escaping the region. Within this magical cloud, Avuton Aatu's hate found itself growing even stronger within the pigs; he found himself grunting and snorting, as well. Until at last they switched bodies, with the pig spirits all possessing Avuton Aatu's body and Avuton Aatu's spirit being split between each of the pig bodies. This drove both the pigs and Avuton Aatu stark, raving mad. Avuton Aatu led his swarm of pig bodies in open revolt against their Perdanite masters while the multiple pig voices within Avuton Aatu's body drive him to root around in the soil.
(27 minutes ago)
message to everyone in the vicinity of Perdan
Blacksmiths within Perdan soon noticed that the green mist was indeed harmful, though not to humans, but to metal. All throughout the city, recruitment centers had lost some weapon and armour quality. Yet Bescanon's blacksmiths reported that their weapon and armour quality had improved as a result of the green fog. This good news was soon dashed as the remaining blacksmiths in Brive and Perdan Mines shared news of worsening weapon and armour quality due to the green mist. Priests noted the faithfulness of Bescanon's lord, attributing such to Bescanon being blessed while regions with less faithful lords were cursed.
While those in Perdan City got back to life as normal, one aspect of life was still abnormal. Due to their extreme rarity, chairs were being auctioned for more gold than unique items. Knowing about high demand and low supply, smart traders invested in chair-producing carpenters.
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Death to pagans it seems. You guys displeased the gods!
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So Some RC's got buffed, some got nerfed, and all of perdan has a chair deficiency now?
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Phear the Pigs! *oink oink*
I was so sure that i get caught by them before i'm able to open it... then i was sure i get caught, didnt have enough hours to exit Perdan lands... but looks like they pretty much ignored whole thing? There were not that much people at Perdan when i opened it.
Anyway, were quite exciting... I wish i had chairs, so i could become rich boy doing business with Perdans :P
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Aren't you.. multiple pigs now?
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Vix a Follower? Ya I do not have a problem with it if you feel that way. I believe, in succesful alliance blocks, there is always one who is the alpha leader and the other one follows. Maybe not always this strong but well..
Seeing how Perdan has almost double our noble count and double our combat strength, I think it's even wise to hear them out what they would like to do. But rest assured, we communicate on a daily basis and it's not a one way street.
Speaking as someone from the other side interacting with Vix, yes I consider Vix as Follower :P
Speaking as someone from the other side interacting with Perdan, sorry Perdan not communicate with Nivemus on daily basis :-X
And now let's put a more thorough analysis on that level on EC.
Perdan and Vix controll the center and with Vix/Caligus that becomes an potential huge problem. Now these two realms consolidate their relations in the south/west by weakening the only one who could harm them and bettering relations with the rest. Slowly but surely you get a position where they may well be nobody to fight them, untill one of the 3 actively fights one of the other 3 central realms.
As I said, that is where at least part of my fear on this matter comes from as it's starting to look more and more like Atamara. I'm not saying it's exactly the same, I'm just saying the situation is slowly evolving to a point where that may well become near enough the case.
In my humble opinion, Sirion used to have the best military back in it heydays, a big realm grows until it stops(either due to its sheer size limited by game code) or it challenged by other. But that for its own realm size, how about its allies? While I do not have much experience in Atamara, speaking of EC, yes Vix/Caligus alliance while Vix/Perdan alliance while Caligus/Sirion alliance pretty much can stop things from evolving. Oh, okay, I being a little biased, Sirion/Eponllyn/Nivemus alliance too but their military could not come out to anything near the other alliances I speak of earlier. Caligus appears to have the best of two worlds, with alliance with Vix and Sirion.
I don't understand how you're reaching those conclusions.
Atamara had three superpowers who could not be challenged by the rest of the continent.
On a much neutral note, I think EC also has three superpowers: Sirion, Caligus and Perdan. But they can be challenged by the rest of the continent if provided good alliances. There is a difference between EC and Atamara at the very least. Not to mention Xavax, the new superpower in the south who able to withstand many south realms attacks combined.
So you're saying that there is even a remote chance that Vix and Caligus will get to war?
Why not? Happened before, will probably happen again. I mean, what makes you think it is impossible?
The problem is I see something else, something what Gabanus see as well. Vix and Caligus will not get to war. Speaking strictly from my interactions of course. It happened before yes that both Vix and Caligus dropped the Ally status but from my interactions I know, Ally status is here to stay. See above my reply earlier in this same post.
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Speaking as someone from the other side interacting with Vix, yes I consider Vix as Follower :P
I don't understand how this truism is even an argument.
Looking at USA and UK relationship, I consider UK to be a follower. So... what?
On a much neutral note, I think EC also has three superpowers: Sirion, Caligus and Perdan. But they can be challenged by the rest of the continent if provided good alliances. There is a difference between EC and Atamara at the very least. Not to mention Xavax, the new superpower in the south who able to withstand many south realms attacks combined.
The big difference is these realms are not allied with each other like the three realm on Atamara. In fact there is a lot of bad blood between them all which is very good.
The problem is I see something else, something what Gabanus see as well. Vix and Caligus will not get to war. Speaking strictly from my interactions of course. It happened before yes that both Vix and Caligus dropped the Ally status but from my interactions I know, Ally status is here to stay. See above my reply earlier in this same post.
Vix/Caligus alliance while Vix/Perdan alliance while Caligus/Sirion alliance pretty much can stop things from evolving.
That actually is a real concern, I agree that BM's diplomatic system can be problematic. Thus we should be careful to not overburden our realms with alliances. Federations honestly just need to be out of the game.
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My issues with alliances/federations is they seem to be entered into without much thought/reason and remain, stagnating, like a status quo. For example, I could ask Caligus why they are allied with Alara. No way they could provide much of an explanation.
I'd support a limit cap on Alliances. I don't really see the point of federations.
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They were doing that to prevent Xavax from growing which is understandable. I'd love to see alliance cap though. That would make people choose their allies more carefully.
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They were doing that to prevent Xavax from growing which is understandable. I'd love to see alliance cap though. That would make people choose their allies more carefully.
That would make sense, if Xavax were actually standing to grow much further. They weren't, and Alara was in no position to be a realm of its own after they refused war with Minas Ithil.
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That would make sense, if Xavax were actually standing to grow much further. They weren't, and Alara was in no position to be a realm of its own after they refused war with Minas Ithil.
In fairness, we probably would have grown quite a bit. Prior to the Civil war there were over 30 characters bunched together and we've been bleeding since. Alara did the right thing, alliance-wise.
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lol caligus did and does nothing for alara so its a real good question
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lol caligus did and does nothing for alara so its a real good question
Actually they kept Fallangard from joining us in sieging their capital with the threat of going to war against us if Fallangard went beyond certain preapproved acts. It's safe to say that if it wasn't for Caligus, there wouldn't be an Alara (and Minas Nova would have been a wasteland) for Perdan-Vix to be rescuing now.
Caligus is in a rather complicated position, they don't like Fallangard (and Xavax's relationship with them), but they like Xavax itself, and are ambivalent toward Alara and Minas Nova. If Xavax had destroyed both of them Caligus would have probably done little more than shrug, maybe even improved relations with us if nothing else got in the way.
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Xavax: Perdan-Vix are evil! We were having an even war! Why did they have to come and ruin the fun!
Small southern realms: HURRAY! Perdan-Vix come to save the day! Kill those evil Xavax scums!
Perdan-Vix: Let's teach Xavax scums a lesson they won't forget for their arrogance!
Fallangard: Save our allies!
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Xavax: Perdan-Vix are evil! We were having an even war! Why did they have to come and ruin the fun!
Small southern realms: HURRAY! Perdan-Vix come to save the day! Kill those evil Xavax scums!
Perdan-Vix: Let's teach Xavax scums a lesson they won't forget for their arrogance!
Fallangard: Save our allies!
I mean...
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When Xavax rejected the offer of alliance from Alara then I started to look for possible allies, and no Minas Nova was not one of those options, and no again I was not plotting to attack Xavax and their thousand nobles. The alliance was to try to make Xavax think twice before attacking Alara so the alliance with Caligus was made, I know that got Fallangard out of the war, without Fallangard Itorunt was not going to fall with Fallangard involved they could have breach the walls, so the alliance worked wonders for Alara the way things turned out.
What I never understood is why Xavax rejected the alliance, surely this proves that they say Alara has a target. Anyone from there care to enlight me more about it? At least Magnus said that the nobles of Xavax didnt wanted the alliance, but perhaps this was a lie.
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When Xavax rejected the offer of alliance from Alara then I started to look for possible allies, and no Minas Nova was not one of those options, and no again I was not plotting to attack Xavax and their thousand nobles. The alliance was to try to make Xavax think twice before attacking Alara so the alliance with Caligus was made, I know that got Fallangard out of the war, without Fallangard Itorunt was not going to fall with Fallangard involved they could have breach the walls, so the alliance worked wonders for Alara the way things turned out.
What I never understood is why Xavax rejected the alliance, surely this proves that they say Alara has a target. Anyone from there care to enlight me more about it? At least Magnus said that the nobles of Xavax didnt wanted the alliance, but perhaps this was a lie.
Magnus was not exactly the most stable of characters. I'm not sure what the realm wanted before I got there, but I do know that even after I gave the warning there was still a huge split among the nobles over whether I could actually be trusted or not. Many of them (including Magnus) wanted to give the region back, but Duchess Selenia blocked that.
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She blocked it so hard. 8)
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He said to me several times that it was going to be returned, most likely that would have convinced me of going through with his plan despite not having and alliance. That Itor Boss block though.
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Basically the vocal nobles with power (JeVondair, Dodger, Geg, Crownguard) believed the messages Kuriga gave them from you. Nothing Magnus could have done to push through his desires would have worked and it eventually led to the rebellion.
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I am Warchief.I was wondering if I would be welcome back in the South to join the war?Kind of bored in Caligus...
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Ditch Caligus. Not a realm you want to be in. Boring as hell I heard.
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Join Xavax. Conquer your old homeland. 8)
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Forget about Xavax. Atamaran scums! Join Oligarch where you fight and win against 5 realms.
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Forget about Xavax. Atamaran scums! Join Oligarch where you fight and win against 5 realms.
No, join Sirion and complain about our own incompetency while eating delicious cookies. :3
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Sirion is done for. No one can fix their problems. There are just too many.
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Forget about Xavax. Atamaran scums! Join Oligarch where you fight and win against 5 realms.
I'll note here that Arbiter Aramon and Duke Iuz Vidar, both pretty important people in the power structure, are Colony Scums, thank you very much! :P
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I'll note here that Arbiter Aramon and Duke Iuz Vidar, both pretty important people in the power structure, are Colony Scums, thank you very much! :P
Beluaterran scum right here!
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Join Vix!
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Join Darka!
-jaune
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Join Vix!
Join Darka!
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Join Vix!
Join Darka!
Join me, and we can rule the galaxy as father and son!
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Join Caligus,and watch Saradomin expose his lord!
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Join Darka!
Join me, and we can rule the galaxy as father and son!
So true! Join the dev team and shape the game as you see fit!
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I should be joining Sirion or Perdan I guess?I just need a realm that can support my unit.
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I should be joining Sirion or Perdan I guess?I just need a realm that can support my unit.
Well if you don't mind a mediocracy then join Sirion.
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Forget about Sirion. If you don't mind not getting rich, join Oligarch!
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Well if you don't mind a mediocracy then join Sirion.
As long as I can pay for my unit.
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As long as I can pay for my unit.
You'll be able to do that, so long as you don't worry about running for lord of a non-town/townsland region.
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As long as I can pay for my unit.
If that's your quota then you can join any realm (although maybe not OI and stuff?) Even in Oligarch people can pay their units, but yeah gold is more prevelant in Sirion, but out of experience I would not advice you to go there.
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You'll be able to do that, so long as you don't worry about running for lord of a non-town/townsland region.
sure
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So King Odoaker has retired.
He will definitely go down in history as one of the greatest Perdanese monarchs. If there is a phoenix realm on EI right now, it's got to be Perdan. Rised straight from the ashes, won back its namesake city, became a major geopolitical player again. All under Odoaker's rule.
He chose the right time to retire too. Perdan is getting a bit quiter lately, time to shake things up.
Whoever becomes the new King, I hope we'll see some big stuff happening.
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Odoaker worked hard to make all that happen. He put a lot of effort on establishing and maintaining a friendly relation with Vix Tiramora. It paid off when they attacked Eponllyn and Greater Xavax.
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*glares at Zakky and shakes fist defiantly*
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If that's your quota then you can join any realm (although maybe not OI and stuff?) Even in Oligarch people can pay their units, but yeah gold is more prevelant in Sirion, but out of experience I would not advice you to go there.
OI has quite a large income.
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*glares at Zakky and shakes fist defiantly*
*glares at Perdan and shakes his first*
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New Ruler Elected (31 minutes ago)
message to everyone on East Continent
The realm of Perdan has elected Kyara Awesome as its new Queen.
Nice choice! Oh... what a minute...
Daily Dungeon Report (12 minutes ago)
personal message
This is a list of prisoners currently in your dungeons:
Queen Kyara Awesome from Perdan
MWAHAHAHA! Erm, congratulations to the new Queen?
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ALL HAIL QUEEN AWESOME!
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Awesome! Er, that is the only word I can think of :P
Suddenly I miss Odoaker. What would he be known as in Perdan? Odoaker the Resurrector?
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Selenia just had Aramon deliver a gift to the new Queen. :D
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Getting elected in prison? Exactly like Jeames was elected in Vix ;D
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Awesome! Er, that is the only word I can think of :P
Suddenly I miss Odoaker. What would he be known as in Perdan? Odoaker the Resurrector?
Yeah along that line. The rebuilder, The great, The magnificent etc
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I am a bit worried.
The new Queen was elected. A noble who has written exactly zero messages this month and if memory serves the previous few months as well. Why would people vote for a silent character and what will she even do if she'll do anything at all? Might be the end of Perdan's winning streak.
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I am a bit worried.
The new Queen was elected. A noble who has written exactly zero messages this month and if memory serves the previous few months as well. Why would people vote for a silent character and what will she even do if she'll do anything at all? Might be the end of Perdan's winning streak.
Because people are stupid and they think someone who hasn't been talking for months will be an amazing ruler out of nowhere? It isn't the first time people have done this and it isn't the first time people have regretted either.
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Were there no other candidates then? Silent characters usuallu don't win unless they sneakily run alone.
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There was another silent (although fairly active) guy and myself who came up with a fairly radical campaign.
I guess it was 2/3 of the realm going "yeaaah, we don't want anything to happen here"
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There was another silent (although fairly active) guy and myself who came up with a fairly radical campaign.
I guess it was 2/3 of the realm going "yeaaah, we don't want anything to happen here"
More than likely some old-guard perdanese.
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Yeah, name recognition, voting in the oldest folks 'because they deserve it', or something.
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Yeah, name recognition, voting in the oldest folks 'because they deserve it', or something.
Well I did just win rulership in Gotland on a platform of mostly just 'Vote Sygg, see what happens!' :P
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Well I did just win rulership in Gotland on a platform of mostly just 'Vote Sygg, see what happens!' :P
The thing is that Gotland is full of goat herders/humpers who pretend to be nobles, obviously. :P They wouldn't know better.
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The thing is that Gotland is full of goat herders/humpers who pretend to be nobles, obviously. :P They wouldn't know better.
Don't care, still won!
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All that fuss and Awesome isn't even active? What a wasted RP opportunity. I'm taking that pet kitten back.
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All that fuss and Awesome isn't even active? What a wasted RP opportunity. I'm taking that pet kitten back.
Kitteh!
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She's also the banker, so half of Perdan's ruling council is controlled by a non-active player?
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She's also the banker, so half of Perdan's ruling council is controlled by a non-active player?
Now you know why Vita and I hate Perdan
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Well Perdan will probably going to lose nobles. A good sign for Greater Xavax. A bad sign for other southern weaklings.
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I do not hate Perdan. I object to a certain playstyle I have noticed common to Perdan, after OOC years of trying to work to play *with* their players, only to find they only cared about winning at the detriment of their fellow player over and over again. Players with government positions bogging the game down with silent non-engagement is entirely separate from that and something unfortunate for any realm.
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Indeed, if I had known she wasn't going to engage with me I wouldn't have bothered writing a RP and several letters to her while she is imprisoned. Feel like I've wasted time I could have been using to engage with the new players we have.
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Alright, the Queen is alive. She addressed her subjects with a "keep doing what you were doing" edict.
Let's see how it works out.
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Alright, the Queen is alive. She addressed her subjects with a "keep doing what you were doing" edict.
Let's see how it works out.
Ignore the queen and run the realm as if she isn't there! mwuahaha
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Ignore the queen and run the realm as if she isn't there! mwuahaha
MWUAHAHAHAHAHA!!
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If I was so popular, I'd win the election. ;D
Seriously though, I don't seem to have much authority outside my duchy. Looks like the kingdom has a very clear dividing line. The old Duchy of Golden City harbours all the old established players, while the Duchy of Perdan welcomed all the new blood. I wonder if that can be interesting in the long run.
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Civil War is so much fun, btw.
Just saying...
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Civil War is so much fun, btw.
Just saying...
You know you want to. ;3
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What happened to the young pup you had as King?
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There goes the young Perdan King. Now what? How many turnovers of Perdan Rulers do we need? :-\
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Wait a few days and maybe Perdan will have a new ruler...HA!
But in all seriousness, while I do not have a character in Perdan, having one sustained ruler for Perdan would be good.