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Title: BM Stoners?
Post by: DoctorHarte on June 27, 2011, 04:16:23 AM
So I'm just gonna straight up come out and tell every I smoke weed every day and a lot of my inspiration for letters, ideas, roleplays in BM are from miss Mary Jane. Now I've always been interested in creating a guild for BM stoners on some continent. I think if you put us all together, we'd get some pretty hilarious or great ideas.  8)

Now please, if you don't like weed or have something against it, please don't make trouble. I don't have anything against you as I live by a "To each his own" code. So if you know any of my characters IG, chat to them or get something going, I've only met a few so far. All of which had high positions I might add  :P
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Vellos on June 27, 2011, 04:28:59 AM
So, um, I work for the DEA.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Perth on June 27, 2011, 05:23:13 AM
LOL
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on June 27, 2011, 06:54:23 AM
I don't mind people who smoke pot, but people who espouse about it constantly grinds my gears.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Shenron on June 27, 2011, 11:52:47 AM
I go really badly with weed. Start having thoughts that unravel the human condition...  :-\
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Shizzle on June 27, 2011, 12:55:51 PM
I go really badly with weed. Start having thoughts that unravel the human condition...  :-\

I don't need weed to foresee the end of the world :P
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Fleugs on June 27, 2011, 01:24:56 PM
Being kind of obliged, living so close to Holland... 8)
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Sacha on June 27, 2011, 02:24:39 PM
Damn stoners can't even post this in the right forum ::)
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Shizzle on June 27, 2011, 04:07:08 PM
Damn stoners can't even post this in the right forum ::)

Touché
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: DoctorHarte on June 27, 2011, 07:22:42 PM
Damn stoners can't even post this in the right forum ::)

Well I thought about that for a while and even went to find some rules to see if it was against them to talk about it on the forums. Yet this post does have something to do with BattleMaster as I mentioned the guild. So please, take your logic elsewhere  ;D

I don't mind people who smoke pot, but people who espouse about it constantly grinds my gears.

Hey man, I don't mean to start anything as stated above. Just want to see if any other stoners are willing to converse.

So, um, I work for the DEA.

Good for you. Freedom of speech. Can't do anything to me :D

I go really badly with weed. Start having thoughts that unravel the human condition...  :-\

I know a few friends like that as well. It's too bad but I understand as I have pondered many facts and whatnot that just get me downright sad. But then I think about the big picture and what good I can do if I put my mind to it.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Carna on June 27, 2011, 07:25:58 PM
I don't live all that far from Holland myself...
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: songqu88@gmail.com on June 27, 2011, 09:04:43 PM
Good for you. Freedom of speech. Can't do anything to me :D

Er...Freedom of speech still doesn't protect against probable cause. Just saying...
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: DoctorHarte on June 27, 2011, 09:18:06 PM
Er...Freedom of speech still doesn't protect against probable cause. Just saying...

True, but probably cause is very tricky to deal with. I know my rights and how to deal with the police.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Perth on June 27, 2011, 09:43:16 PM
So I'm just gonna straight up come out and tell every I smoke weed every day

You're right. This is very ambiguous. It would be very convoluted for them to draw probable cause from this.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Lorgan on June 28, 2011, 12:49:55 AM
*Lights his joint.*

You were saying?
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Fleugs on June 28, 2011, 01:15:11 AM
*Lights his joint.*

You were saying?

Moooooooooo
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Huntsmaster on June 28, 2011, 01:48:32 AM
This topic is goin' places.

 :P
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Sacha on June 28, 2011, 02:26:26 AM
Yes... probably towards either a comfortable couch, or the fridge 8)
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: dustole on June 28, 2011, 03:47:46 AM
I made Allison step down as the Duchess of Donghaiwei after I got a hold of my computer when I was tripping out on mushrooms.  That was one really messed up trip.  I watched the Mighty Boosh (british late night comedy show)  and took a journey to to monkey hell. 

But yea, I am a regular smoker.  Good times!
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Chenier on June 29, 2011, 12:23:12 AM
I don't mind people who smoke pot, but people who espouse about it constantly grinds my gears.

I agree.

I disagree with it being a criminal offense in so many countries, but also disagree with its promotion. And this is certainly the wrong forum section to do so.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: vanKaya on June 29, 2011, 11:41:15 AM
Jeeeez guys, he wasn't promoting it, just seeing who else smokes weed and plays BM.

And the idea that probable cause can come from typing "I smoke weed" on an Internet forum is a ridiculous thing to say.

I could literally walk into a police station high as a giraffe and say "hello officer, as my red eyes and goofy grin suggest, I am baked as a pie. I wanted to ask you how your day was and thank you for all the good work you do in our community"

You know what would happen, they'd search me for weed, maybe. And then when they found none they would let me go, because being high isn't a crime, smoking weed isn't a crime, talking about smoking weed isn't a crime. Possession is a crime. Unless you live in certain parts of the ussr, whoops, I mean USA.

As for the actual topic. Battlemaster is a pretty consistent topic between me and my friends when we're toking. Also, sometimes I'll save writing a long message until after I've smoked a joint, really helps me get into character lol. Also explains why my character is generally very respectful of others and easy to get along with ( I imagine).

Also that's hilarious about the shroomy experience from Allison. I know that last time I did shrooms the concept of BM blew my mind

" it's a world INSIDE a world INSIDE a computer...whoaa... "

Also computers are triply as balls on shrooms.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Ramiel on June 29, 2011, 01:25:29 PM
legalisation in the UK would pay for my taxes, the NHS, everything hmmm....
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Revan on June 29, 2011, 02:40:40 PM
Also that's hilarious about the shroomy experience from Allison. I know that last time I did shrooms the concept of BM blew my mind

" it's a world INSIDE a world INSIDE a computer...whoaa... "

That's hilarious. Love it.

I don't mix drugs and BM. Or drink in fact. I still cringe at the time, shortly after becoming King of ASI, basically writing a horrific, ridiculous drunken essay to the realm essentially slating CE. Got a bit of an OOC dressing down by Doc's Revenge for my trouble. Learnt my lesson after that! >.<
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on June 29, 2011, 03:47:14 PM
Jeeeez guys, he wasn't promoting it, just seeing who else smokes weed and plays BM.

And the idea that probable cause can come from typing "I smoke weed" on an Internet forum is a ridiculous thing to say.

I could literally walk into a police station high as a giraffe and say "hello officer, as my red eyes and goofy grin suggest, I am baked as a pie. I wanted to ask you how your day was and thank you for all the good work you do in our community"

You know what would happen, they'd search me for weed, maybe. And then when they found none they would let me go, because being high isn't a crime, smoking weed isn't a crime, talking about smoking weed isn't a crime. Possession is a crime. Unless you live in certain parts of the ussr, whoops, I mean USA.

As for the actual topic. Battlemaster is a pretty consistent topic between me and my friends when we're toking. Also, sometimes I'll save writing a long message until after I've smoked a joint, really helps me get into character lol. Also explains why my character is generally very respectful of others and easy to get along with ( I imagine).

Also that's hilarious about the shroomy experience from Allison. I know that last time I did shrooms the concept of BM blew my mind

" it's a world INSIDE a world INSIDE a computer...whoaa... "

Also computers are triply as balls on shrooms.

I love people who compare the U.S. to the Soviet Union. Makes me value still having a brain. Mind you I think the U.S. government is still corrupt, but not communist or dictatorial.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: vanKaya on June 29, 2011, 05:09:05 PM
I love people who compare the U.S. to the Soviet Union. Makes me value still having a brain. Mind you I think the U.S. government is still corrupt, but not communist or dictatorial.

Is it lonely up there on your high horse?

Obviously I was exaggerating but the US' drug policies aren't far off from the liberty- encroaching policies of the soviet union. Let me clarify since obviously you don't appreciate subtlety. The soviet union actively policed what kind of music people listened to, while this is more blatant than trying to control which substances one is allowed to ingest into ones body, it basically equates to the same thing: a curtailment of individual liberties by the state

And I was born in the soviet bloc, so don't think I don't know what I'm talking about.

Also, just for the record, the soviet union wasnt communist. Not in any meaningful Marxist way. It was simply dictatorial.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on June 29, 2011, 06:40:48 PM
I meant Russian communism, not the Marxist variety, which involves the industrial workers, not the serfs like what happened in Russia. Which part of the Soviet bloc were you a part of, by the way?

Oh, and comparing the control of music over the control of drugs is like comparing call of duty to a real-life war. It's a whole different level of intensity.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Gustav Kuriga on June 29, 2011, 11:32:29 PM
I meant Russian communism, not the Marxist origin, which involves the industrial workers, not the serfs like what happened in Russia. Which part of the Soviet bloc were you a part of, by the way?

Oh, and comparing the control of music over the control of drugs is like comparing call of duty to a real-life war. It's a whole different level of intensity.

I would like to correct myself here. The Chinese Communists consisted of a peasant movement, not Russia. I was wrong on that account. Russian (I mean the Soviet Union when I say Russia) communism is still different from a purely Marxist form of communism.

I would also like to say that the Soviet Union only became dictatorial once Stalin took over after Lenin. Not to be contrary, as the Soviet Union was dictatorial after Lenin died. Just to be informative.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: vanKaya on June 30, 2011, 12:00:10 AM
Yes you are entirely correct.

What I was referring to was that Marx or even Lenin would roll over in their graves seeing what Stalin and many of his successors called communism. Their was a distinct political and economic elite that formed that is obviously contrary to communism's traditional ideological focus on the proletariat.

As for my music/ weed analogy I stand by it. For example my dad had to sit under the covers to listen to Radio Liberty ( a western European radio station that acted against communist propaganda). At the time if any heard him listening to it they would have told the police who would have jailed him. Likewise in most parts of the US if you were seen smoking weed you could be arrested and put in jail. If you think the difference is that listening to a radio station isn't harmful and smoking pot is, than you're missing the point of freedom.

People at that time DID feel that listening to anti communist talk was dangerous not only to the individual but to the whole. They felt this way because they were trained to by the state through propaganda. I liken this to how the government has gotten some of us to feel about smoking a plant, not a drug, but a plant. One that grows in the dirt and has been used by humanity for 1000s of years.

 You may say that smoking weed isn't for you and that because of that fact you don't care if people go to jail for it's use, but consider, if alcohol was banned there would be people who would say good riddance ( and perhaps rightfully so) but what would you say? You'd say !@#$ that I'm an adult, I'm a human being, I have the right to weigh the pros and cons and make my own life decisions, and if I want to enjoy a drink than the government can't curtail that freedom. You're not a drunk, you're a productive member of society who enjoys a drink, and as long as you're not hurting yourself or those around you, you deserve liberty.

I apologize for making the assumption that you drink but even if you don't drink, smoke, or whatever, if you still feel that liberty comes in degrees you're missing the point.

So in a very real sense, the prohibition of marijuana in the US can be directly linked to the dictatorial censorships of the USSR.

And I'm from Romania, but now I live in Canada.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on June 30, 2011, 02:36:52 AM
Used to smoke chronically in highschool, haven't smoked the stuff in decade or so, had a few tokes really drunk here and there. I live in Canada west coast, where everyone, absolutely everyone smokes or smoked weed before, its a no big deal no one cares about it anymore, not even the cops if they see you smoking weed in public they just frown and tell you to butt it out. Vancouver is really weed friendly. Frankly Alcohol is much more dangerous and terrible. Canada will probably end up legalizing weed soon anyways. As for BM stoned, more power to you, I think its hilarious and can make for some good or interesting situations if that's yer bag.

Being at war with nature is a sign of a sick society.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Carna on June 30, 2011, 03:31:07 AM
Being at war with nature is a sign of a sick society.

Quote-worthy.

Truly interesting reading though, including the debate on liberties. Here in Ireland, we now have our first pro-cannabis member of parliament as of the past couple of months and society is generally accepting of it, on an individual basis at least. Eventually, governments are going to have to accept, to quote the Israli's when they're talking about their settlements, the "facts on the ground". Given where I live, I'm well aware of the effects of both weed and alcohol. My country is practically known for the latter. The effects of alcohol can be as bad or worse. The only real argument against the use of this drug being worse than the likes of drink is the criminal element. Considering the fact that its as much a "local" operation as criminal these days, its not as bad as it was, but its still pretty bad. The blame there doesn't fall at the feet of those who enjoy a smoke, but those who control the laws and ensure that legitimate acquisition is next to impossible which gives criminal elements their chance to prosper. Ultimately, society will change and laws will change because they have to, simply to recognize reality.

Still, I don't think we should lose sight of the reason why this whole debate came up. I do like the idea for some sort of Guild, but you have to ask yourself - which continent? And how IC is it if we're planning it OOC? Sorta ensures its not Dwilight (",)

Finton.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Velax on June 30, 2011, 05:21:28 AM
haven't smoked the stuff in decade or so

Really? I'd have sworn some of those Sundar RPs must have been done under the influence. :P
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Chenier on June 30, 2011, 05:50:16 AM
Is it lonely up there on your high horse?

Obviously I was exaggerating but the US' drug policies aren't far off from the liberty- encroaching policies of the soviet union. Let me clarify since obviously you don't appreciate subtlety. The soviet union actively policed what kind of music people listened to, while this is more blatant than trying to control which substances one is allowed to ingest into ones body, it basically equates to the same thing: a curtailment of individual liberties by the state

And I was born in the soviet bloc, so don't think I don't know what I'm talking about.

Also, just for the record, the soviet union wasnt communist. Not in any meaningful Marxist way. It was simply dictatorial.

Except music doesn't have negative economic externalities, while drugs do.

Curtailment of individual liberties by the state is necessary. One just decides how far one is willing to go, and on what grounds.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: vanKaya on June 30, 2011, 10:18:25 AM
An economic argument against marijuana? Interesting..

The war on drugs in the US I think we can both agree has had no significant effect on the amount of marijuana use in the US. If you want an example of how misguided Reagan's anti-weed efforts were, consider this quote:

“I now have absolute proof that smoking even one marijuana cigarette is equal in brain damage to being on Bikini Island during an H-bomb blast.” - Reagan

Clearly that's not the case since no one has died of marijuana and physicians have not seen any evidence of marijuana killing brain cells ( quite the opposite, cannabis has been shown to effectively combat brain tumors)

But to get back on the economic argument, the US has spent over 15 billion this year alone trying unsuccessfully to keep weed off the streets. This number is astronomic, especially considering  we're only in late June now. When you consider the total amount spent on the drug war the number is easily in the trillions. Think of how much better this money could have been spent if we put it towards proper drug education, not propaganda. And just so we're clear I don't think people should smoke weed, just like I don't think people should drink alcohol or smoke tobacco, all of which have negative effects on your health ( marijuana having the least effect admittedly)

On the flip side, how much money would the government Gain if it were to legalize and regulate cannabis as it does alcohol and cigarettes. The answer is A LOT! Current democrat plans to legalize and regulate weed propose taxing cannabis at $50 an ounce which translates to billions in collective revenue.

So the economic argument is bunk.

And it is not the states job to curtail freedom. It's job is to represent and act in the best interests of the people.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Perth on June 30, 2011, 10:23:02 AM
Can this topic be moved? It has had next to zilch to do with Battlemaster since the very first post. lol.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Chenier on June 30, 2011, 01:12:08 PM
I already did state that I disagree with the war on it, criminalization is just stupid and costly. It should just be treated like cigarettes as far as I'm concerned.

If the government doesn't curtail some individual freedoms, then individuals will. So you pick between an accountable government to protect everyone from everyone, or letting anyone do absolutely anything they want. It's the principle where everyone's freedom "stops where others' start". To disagree with the government's duty to curtail some individual liberties is to oppose the prohibition of criminal acts. Look at countries where the government is too weak to curtail individual freedoms: warlords do it instead. Usually quite brutally.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Sacha on June 30, 2011, 02:47:11 PM
Having operated both on the legal (coffeeshop) and illegal (weed dealer) side of the pot trade, I can tell you that governments worldwide are missing out on a LOT of taxable income. Weed is an immensely popular substance, and the amount of money that is being spent on it is mind-boggling. At peak moments, we served 100-150 customers an hour in the shop, sometimes going up to 200. On average they spend about 25-30 euros a head. On quieter days, we still averaged about 50-60 people an hour. Producing one pound of weed costs about 250 dollars... just over 50 cents a gram, no matter its quality. In Dutch shops, a gram of weed will cost you anywhere between 8 and 20 dollars, depending on quality. The shop I worked at was open 12-14 hours a day, every day. You do the math. Some shops attract even more customers. The legendary (and now closed) Coffeeshop Checkpoint served 3,000 customers a day, with regular peaks of up to 5,000. It turned a yearly revenue of 26 million euros, close to 40 million dollars.

The War on Drugs is a lost cause, especially the one on weed. No matter how many manufacturers, dealers and users you put behind bars, people are going to keep manufacturing, dealing and using weed. It's too easy. Not everyone has the resources and the know-how to set up a meth lab, but all it takes to grow a weed plant is a container, some dirt, water and some seeds. Add some nutrients and lighting, and you have a semi-professional set-up. You can intercept a ton of weed at the border, and it'll barely make a dent in the owner's operation. It's a complete waste of tax payers' money and government resources. Instead of hemorrhaging money on fighting a ghost, governments should just accept the fact that people will use cannabis no matter how much you try to prevent them from doing so. It's a widely accepted fact that marijuana is less harmful and addictive than legal narcotics like tobacco, over-the-counter drugs and alcohol. It's no more a gateway drug than the aforementioned three, which you can buy in unlimited amounts if you wanted to. As Katt Williams says, "It only has three side effects: hungry, happy, sleepy. You can't even overdose on it. You might think your buddy's dead, but he ain't dead! He's gonna wake up in 30 minutes, hungry enough to eat everything in your house. Aspirin is perfectly legal but if you take thirteen of them mother!@#$ers it'll be your last headache." In controlled doses, marijuana is a medicine and a natural pain killer. It improves the quality of life of people with chronic, often fatal diseases like multiple sclerosis and cancer. You can even eliminate most of the health risks by not smoking it, and instead using a vaporizer, or extracting the THC and using it as a cooking product.

Hell, it should be a crime /not/ to allow people to use it.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 01, 2011, 04:19:18 AM
Ok ok back on BM topic, how about you all join my guild 'Cult of Bloodmoon' and spread the word of whatever it is you dream up across Dwilight, this can be the quasi-stoner weirdo dreamo guild since it already basically is in concept anyways. And I would appreciate more members to subvert the order of Dwilight.... Shameless self-promotion? Guild house is in Vakreno heaps! ;D
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: DoctorHarte on July 01, 2011, 05:38:18 AM
Can this topic be moved? It has had next to zilch to do with Battlemaster since the very first post. lol.

Actually, my intentions for this were to create a guild in BattleMaster for stoners, so yes it has something very much to do directly with BM, so I would appreciate it if rather than complain about the location of the topic, Just ignore it! I'm sure it's not that hard to scroll over the link. As always, topics all over this forum get off subject, so have some respect and deal.

Ok ok back on BM topic, how about you all join my guild 'Cult of Bloodmoon' and spread the word of whatever it is you dream up across Dwilight, this can be the quasi-stoner weirdo dreamo guild since it already basically is in concept anyways. And I would appreciate more members to subvert the order of Dwilight.... Shameless self-promotion? Guild house is in Vakreno heaps! ;D

This was kinda what I was thinking of creating, a guild on Dwilight that reflected a newly discovered plant that makes the mind "fly" :P could totally roleplay the hell outta that! I've already talked to Raz about it in OOC and will be joining Terran shortly. Finally, a new horizon and slate for Hyperion!
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Perth on July 01, 2011, 09:50:32 AM
and will be joining Terran shortly.

Well, at least you're coming to a great realm.  :)
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Nosferatus on July 01, 2011, 12:32:29 PM
Having operated both on the legal (coffeeshop) and illegal (weed dealer) side of the pot trade, I can tell you that governments worldwide are missing out on a LOT of taxable income. Weed is an immensely popular substance, and the amount of money that is being spent on it is mind-boggling. At peak moments, we served 100-150 customers an hour in the shop, sometimes going up to 200. On average they spend about 25-30 euros a head. On quieter days, we still averaged about 50-60 people an hour. Producing one pound of weed costs about 250 dollars... just over 50 cents a gram, no matter its quality. In Dutch shops, a gram of weed will cost you anywhere between 8 and 20 dollars, depending on quality. The shop I worked at was open 12-14 hours a day, every day. You do the math. Some shops attract even more customers. The legendary (and now closed) Coffeeshop Checkpoint served 3,000 customers a day, with regular peaks of up to 5,000. It turned a yearly revenue of 26 million euros, close to 40 million dollars.

The War on Drugs is a lost cause, especially the one on weed. No matter how many manufacturers, dealers and users you put behind bars, people are going to keep manufacturing, dealing and using weed. It's too easy. Not everyone has the resources and the know-how to set up a meth lab, but all it takes to grow a weed plant is a container, some dirt, water and some seeds. Add some nutrients and lighting, and you have a semi-professional set-up. You can intercept a ton of weed at the border, and it'll barely make a dent in the owner's operation. It's a complete waste of tax payers' money and government resources. Instead of hemorrhaging money on fighting a ghost, governments should just accept the fact that people will use cannabis no matter how much you try to prevent them from doing so. It's a widely accepted fact that marijuana is less harmful and addictive than legal narcotics like tobacco, over-the-counter drugs and alcohol. It's no more a gateway drug than the aforementioned three, which you can buy in unlimited amounts if you wanted to. As Katt Williams says, "It only has three side effects: hungry, happy, sleepy. You can't even overdose on it. You might think your buddy's dead, but he ain't dead! He's gonna wake up in 30 minutes, hungry enough to eat everything in your house. Aspirin is perfectly legal but if you take thirteen of them mother!@#$ers it'll be your last headache." In controlled doses, marijuana is a medicine and a natural pain killer. It improves the quality of life of people with chronic, often fatal diseases like multiple sclerosis and cancer. You can even eliminate most of the health risks by not smoking it, and instead using a vaporizer, or extracting the THC and using it as a cooking product.

Hell, it should be a crime /not/ to allow people to use it.

The problems are that once you legalize it, price will drop dramatically as there will be allot more supply(it's easier cheaper and safer to grow) for the demands. (and possibly also lower demands in most countries due to the fact the drug isn't illegal anymore and thus not as cool as meth or cocaine or what ever)
The whole blackmarket willl collapse and the legal market won't even come near to circulate as much money as the illegal one, for weed in Netherlands alone we are talking about billions of euros going to mostly people who really like spending money :P
Thus legalization will defiantly hurt the entire consumers economy(houses, cars, boats, services, and in many cases the other illegal markets) on a scale hardly imaginable.
Many companies in these markets are quite influential and i am sure they understand that legalization (especially of weed and even more cocaine) should never happen for them and that they also actively use there influence to keep the ban in place.
For the politicians (in europe) that do want to change all this, its very hard, cooperation in Europe is almost impossible, we just bicker and bicker until we grow old die and get run over by china and Russia.

Legalization could come from European commissions, if they can beat the big lobbyists in trying to convince the leaders of our nations to legalize drugs.
Atleast i hope so.

Still, just legalizaing, is dangerous.
Its not easy, look what happens with alcohol, it's part of our cultures and society and people do not take it's fatal dangers serious.
Alcohol is extremely dangerous yet normal.
Thorough Education on all these substances is there for essential so people do not use it with the thought of it being harmless.
But then again, making people able to think for them selves is not on the modern political agenda for education(except perhaps Finland).
They prefer the danger signs that just say: "Danger! do not enter!" instead of telling us what the actual danger is so we can judge our course of actions ourselves.

Legalization thus can be dangerous, however leaving the production, transportation, trade and distribution in the hands of crazy criminals is much much more dangerous.
And we all know, a danger sign that says Danger do not enter, is very very interesting, especially on a certain age, at which it is most damaging to do these drugs.(especially for the brain).
The question is, do the people who can make the decision find it worth to sacrifices there economy and do they have the right reports on there desks, who are not signed by some private research company, payed or even founded by those major companies who definitively don't want to sacrifice there business for a better, healthier society. Thats simple not on there stressed out, greedy minds.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: vanKaya on July 01, 2011, 05:55:45 PM
The problems are that once you legalize it, price will drop dramatically as there will be allot more supply(it's easier cheaper and safer to grow) for the demands. (and possibly also lower demands in most countries due to the fact the drug isn't illegal anymore and thus not as cool as meth or cocaine or what ever)
The whole blackmarket willl collapse and the legal market won't even come near to circulate as much money as the illegal one, for weed in Netherlands alone we are talking about billions of euros going to mostly people who really like spending money :P
Thus legalization will defiantly hurt the entire consumers economy(houses, cars, boats, services, and in many cases the other illegal markets) on a scale hardly




I don't understand your argument on how it would have any effect on other industries. The price of marijuana would indeed drop but the taxes imposed by the state on both the producer and the distributor would essentially bring the price back up. Thus the price of weed per gram may go down a little but probably will stay the same. How this would have any effects on the housing market or the boat market is completely beyond me. It would be an industry just like alcohol or tobacco. The state would tax it, make sure the public knows of its dangers (like warnings on cig packets).

One thing it would have a major effect on is illegal immigration in the states. Does anyone wonder why so many mexicans try and get into the US? It's because Mexico sucks. And do you know why Mexico sucks? Because it's run by drug cartels that have more power than the government meaning two things: they are able to buy politicians and corrupt mexicos government and they are able to effectively combat mexicos military leading to huge wastes of money. Furthermore, the rampancy of Mexican gangs results in tens of thousands of deaths per year. Considering all that, wouldnt you try and hide in a dashboard to be someone's gardener in the "land of the free"

 The cartels gain about 60 % of their money from illegal marijuana distribution. If it was legalized they would take this huge industry and allow it to be placed in legitimate channels. The results?

Mexican marijuana farmers would profit immensely and instead of paying gangbangers for "protection" they could sell their crop legally. This would create an enormous amount of jobs in Mexico and would take away one of the prinicple reasons mexicans leave the country: lack of jobs and lack of security.

The reduction of illegal immigration would have similar positive results in the states. More jobs and less money being wasted on unnecessary !@#$ like border patrol.


But really I don't even know what we're arguing here cause it seems like no one here is even opposed to legalization... Still, information never hurt anyone and god knows we could use less people sheepishly following government propaganda.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: De-Legro on July 02, 2011, 11:36:21 AM
Jeeeez guys, he wasn't promoting it, just seeing who else smokes weed and plays BM.

And the idea that probable cause can come from typing "I smoke weed" on an Internet forum is a ridiculous thing to say.

I could literally walk into a police station high as a giraffe and say "hello officer, as my red eyes and goofy grin suggest, I am baked as a pie. I wanted to ask you how your day was and thank you for all the good work you do in our community"

You know what would happen, they'd search me for weed, maybe. And then when they found none they would let me go, because being high isn't a crime, smoking weed isn't a crime, talking about smoking weed isn't a crime. Possession is a crime. Unless you live in certain parts of the ussr, whoops, I mean USA.

As for the actual topic. Battlemaster is a pretty consistent topic between me and my friends when we're toking. Also, sometimes I'll save writing a long message until after I've smoked a joint, really helps me get into character lol. Also explains why my character is generally very respectful of others and easy to get along with ( I imagine).

Also that's hilarious about the shroomy experience from Allison. I know that last time I did shrooms the concept of BM blew my mind

" it's a world INSIDE a world INSIDE a computer...whoaa... "

Also computers are triply as balls on shrooms.

Actually in many places of South East Asia, simply carrying a few grams of the stuff can put you in line for execution. Then you get to play the fun games of bribery and corruption that makes up their legal systems. The discussion or intent to spread information about drug use can result in pretty serious jail time. Its a trap many tourist fall into.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: vanKaya on July 02, 2011, 02:21:16 PM
Right but a lot of crazy things happen I south east Asia. I doubt that's who we should be taking our examples on drug regulation and law making in general from.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Vellos on July 02, 2011, 05:00:09 PM
On a sidenote, I work at a camp for elementary school age kids (6-11 years old). In Kentucky, cannabis grows wild ("gully weed"). The southern Appalachians in the US are huge marijuana-growing areas, despite criminalization (they used to be major industrial hemp-growing regions). At the camp I work at, I am the Nature Counselor: I take kids on hikes.

Whenever the kids pick up marijuana and ask what it is, I tell them it's a "very poisonous" plant called "gully weed" (which is a common name for it). In fact, at the camp I work at, I have identified 6 different plants readily usable as drugs. My campers are so oblivious....
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: DoctorHarte on July 03, 2011, 06:11:56 PM
On a sidenote, I work at a camp for elementary school age kids (6-11 years old). In Kentucky, cannabis grows wild ("gully weed"). The southern Appalachians in the US are huge marijuana-growing areas, despite criminalization (they used to be major industrial hemp-growing regions). At the camp I work at, I am the Nature Counselor: I take kids on hikes.

Whenever the kids pick up marijuana and ask what it is, I tell them it's a "very poisonous" plant called "gully weed" (which is a common name for it). In fact, at the camp I work at, I have identified 6 different plants readily usable as drugs. My campers are so oblivious....

Dang it! Why didn't my mom send me to camps like those  >:(
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: cjnodell on July 06, 2011, 07:54:32 PM
Creating a guild that bases it's membership on OOC Player hobbies seems odd to me. I always figured eligibility for guild membership should be based on IC Character stuff...
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Perth on July 06, 2011, 09:04:10 PM
Creating a guild that bases it's membership on OOC Player hobbies seems odd to me. I always figured eligibility for guild membership should be based on IC Character stuff...

Nah, man.

I'm starting up a guild for WoW players next week.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: vanKaya on July 06, 2011, 10:27:59 PM
If and when me and Harte set up a stoner guild it would be very much IC with our players smoking something equivalent to weed with similar effects. Obviously this would probably attract ooc weed smokers but there would be a genuine effort to make sure there was some IC substance to it all.

In all honesty it could be similar to the bloodmoon cult. I think there's some really interesting things that the bloodmoon cult has going on and its references to drugs being used with respect and moderation and for a positive effect ( spiritual, relaxing etc). These are all things that are analogous to my ooc thoughts on drugs and they also reflect my characters opinions on mind altering substances as well.

(my character is not a reflection of me ooc but this is one aspect in which we are very similar. Call it an effect of being often stoned when I'm playing BM)

That being said I would totally be down to work with glaumring and join his guild and even start a branch in Terran, BUT for one thing. I think the name bloodmoon cult, especially the cult part of it is really off putting. To me the positive use of drugs and the word cult simply do not go together. I don't know if it's possible to change the name of the guild but honestly I don't think this is something I could move past or ignore.

Also I know there have been other "Stoney guilds" on BM and if/ when this happens I would like to do some research to see where those guilds went wrong and how the idea could be improved to flow better with BM in the most IC way possible.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Revan on July 07, 2011, 02:00:56 AM
If and when me and Harte set up a stoner guild it would be very much IC with our players smoking something equivalent to weed with similar effects. Obviously this would probably attract ooc weed smokers but there would be a genuine effort to make sure there was some IC substance to it all.

I really hope the guild is called Skooma Den and every time I pass by one in a region I see a shifty looking Argonian outside >.<
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Perth on July 07, 2011, 07:07:59 AM
I really hope the guild is called Skooma Den and every time I pass by one in a region I see a shifty looking Argonian outside >.<

This comment made my day.


That being said I would totally be down to work with glaumring and join his guild and even start a branch in Terran, BUT for one thing. I think the name bloodmoon cult, especially the cult part of it is really off putting. To me the positive use of drugs and the word cult simply do not go together. I don't know if it's possible to change the name of the guild but honestly I don't think this is something I could move past or ignore.

I don't see why it would be a problem. Sure, "cult" may have a bit of a negative connotation, but any guild based around drugs or having induced reality-altering experiences is going to draw some negative views and probably take some heat regardless of name. I would just say roll with it. Or make it a secrete society. Bloodmoon cult would be even cooler as a secrete society, probably. But alas, even smaller.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 08, 2011, 02:21:50 AM
Ummm here is cult from the wiki :

The word cult pejoratively refers to a group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre.[1] The word originally denoted a system of ritual practices. The narrower, derogatory sense of the word is a product of the 20th century, especially since the 1980s, and is considered subjective. It is also a result of the anti-cult movement which uses the word in reference to groups seen as authoritarian, exploitative and that are believed to use dangerous rituals or mind control. The word implies a group which is a minority in a given society. The word was first used in the early 17th century denoting homage paid to a divinity and derived from French culte or Latin cultus ‘worship,’ from cult- ‘inhabited, cultivated, worshiped,’ from the verb colere 'care, cultivation'.

Cult seems to fit perfectly with Bloodmoon.

Oh and the Bloodmoon cult will probably have a new guild house in Terran very soon!


PS: I actually originally though about a secret society, but realized if it wants to thrive it must be open.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: vanKaya on July 08, 2011, 10:43:27 PM
Ahh yes I see.. I guess my definition of cult is pretty non SMA. Well I'll look into the bloodmoon cult and see if it's for me. You were saying there'll be a guild house in Terran?
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Glaumring the Fox on July 09, 2011, 12:59:25 AM
yes it should be built soon.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: DoctorHarte on July 09, 2011, 05:46:37 AM
Cool!  ;D

It won't be for a while until I achieve a lordship in Terran, I think, but who knows.  :-X

I got a pretty warm welcome and seems like some bright minds are located in Terran *coughmoresothancaerwyncough* Haven't joined any of the guilds or religion so far, and I don't think I will join a religion. Not for Hyperion, at least.

If I had stayed in Itau, I might have seen more of Glaumorig-a-jig  :P
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Vellos on July 09, 2011, 08:35:09 PM
Cool!  ;D

It won't be for a while until I achieve a lordship in Terran, I think, but who knows.  :-X

I got a pretty warm welcome and seems like some bright minds are located in Terran *coughmoresothancaerwyncough* Haven't joined any of the guilds or religion so far, and I don't think I will join a religion. Not for Hyperion, at least.

If I had stayed in Itau, I might have seen more of Glaumorig-a-jig  :P

Terran will need more knights or a change in estates before we get new regions. Probably there will be a large shuffle in lordships in a month or two.

In the meantime, you should totally join a religion. Especially in Terran. The Senators of 8 regions are Triunists, and 1 is Astroist. Only 1 Senator is not officially religious. All of the Magistrates are religious. Joining a religion in Terran is an important political step, alongside joining the Véinsørmoot.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Chenier on July 11, 2011, 05:06:47 AM
Ummm here is cult from the wiki :

The word cult pejoratively refers to a group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre.[1] The word originally denoted a system of ritual practices. The narrower, derogatory sense of the word is a product of the 20th century, especially since the 1980s, and is considered subjective. It is also a result of the anti-cult movement which uses the word in reference to groups seen as authoritarian, exploitative and that are believed to use dangerous rituals or mind control. The word implies a group which is a minority in a given society. The word was first used in the early 17th century denoting homage paid to a divinity and derived from French culte or Latin cultus ‘worship,’ from cult- ‘inhabited, cultivated, worshiped,’ from the verb colere 'care, cultivation'.

Cult seems to fit perfectly with Bloodmoon.

Oh and the Bloodmoon cult will probably have a new guild house in Terran very soon!


PS: I actually originally though about a secret society, but realized if it wants to thrive it must be open.

A "cult" is a label that the majority uses for the minority. Mind you, some of these minorities have a damn good reason for not becoming a majority.

The Blood Cult called itself so because of how it was labelled by foreigners, so they adopted the name for themselves. They otherwise just considered their lore to be truth, and one doesn't need a name for what is already named.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Rogi on July 26, 2011, 12:21:44 AM
Ok guys, after reading all the messages, or at least making a quick view of them I think I will be the only one that will contribute to the original idea of this topic.

Yes I also smoke weed sometimes, as my family names shows, Marley Family. I also tried to make something with weed in relation to Battlemaster, and I decided to create when I started my character a family history and a guide called Marley's Botanical Guide, that can be found in the Wiki under this URL:

http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Marley%27s_Botanical_Guide

I hope this topic at least shows some creativity and imagination. I usualy use the references of the different herbs I describe in the Marley's Botanical Guide in my roleplay, as all my characters smoke from a wooden pipe and also use the medical propierties of the herbs to help the injured soldiers. The different herbs I describe are only from regions where my character has been, although I don't make herb descriptions of every region as I think it's too much and unnesecary. I would also enjoy to see if there is any other player that uses the weed and herbs with creativity, including it in some way in the game, without doing damage to anyone.

I also don't want to enter the discussion about if it's good or not to smoke, or if it's illegal or not, bla bla bla, it simply sucks and I simply don't care about. Everybody can do what he wants with his body.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: vanKaya on July 26, 2011, 07:48:29 PM
I think that the botanical guide is brilliant and I think it's exactly along the lines of what we are going for.

Something serious that reflects weed in as an IC way as possible without being too obvious or using too many cliches.

I think it's definitely the first step in making this more legitimate. I don't really know what step two is.. I want to make a guild of it but only once we have a good amount of members and once we have an actual goal or reason for having a guild house rather than just the fact our characters share a hobby..

Hmm
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Rogi on July 26, 2011, 09:41:23 PM
I think everyone that feels reflected with the use of weed, could use it in their RP in a serious way. In the middle age people smoked, smoked herbs, smoked pipes, and this gives some good situations in which use it. I use it in my RP when my characters think about themselves, about the present situation of the realm, or the past and make reflexions about it. But I would like to say, it should be used in a serious way, not as a joke or as something to laugh about, as the game has a serious atmosphere and we should respect it.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: vanKaya on July 26, 2011, 10:54:11 PM
I mean... We can laugh about it sometimes.

Weed is pretty humorous sometimes.

But I should agree it should always be treated in an SMA fashion. And never as simply a blatant, self indulging joke
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Nosferatus on August 03, 2011, 04:46:42 PM
In the middle age people smoked, smoked herbs, smoked pipes, and this gives some good situations in which use it.

For europe that's not documented i believe.
From 13th century cannabis smoking was introduced in subsahara africa mainly the horn of africa by eastern traders. (cannabis originates from the area of modern day india's north eastern states/assam.)
Tobacco was introduced about 2 centuries later by european traders (from the americas).
In fact, smoking tobacco only became popular around the 17th century in europe, the arabs got popularly 'hooked' on tobacco much quicker.

Smoking is as old as human civilization for the americas(tobacco and the billions of cool plants they get from the amazone) and eastern Asia(china and india, cannabis) but europe/meditereanan civilization only got introduced to it much later.

The romans where also well familiar with canabis and hemp threw trade with india(they used it for alot of things on a huge scale), but as far as i know they didn't smoke it, for recreational use they ate it in a preparation with dried fruits and ghee(purified butter) like most indians around that time. (even in india smoking canabis threw mostly chillums is only about 2 k years old)

Perhaps some heretics burned herbs earlier, but they didn't directly inhale it threw a pipe for example(which i define as smoking), that happened much later in europe.

A shame i am 25 min late with this post...
But you know what they say about timing and stoners...
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: vanKaya on August 11, 2011, 10:23:22 PM
Nope, I will have to disagree. There is plenty of physical evidence of weed in Europe.

The earliest physical evidence of weed Ever was found in modern day Romania, no doubt as it was the eastern most part of the Mesopotamian empire whose western most regions included india where weed was quite common for spiritual and medicinal purposes.

Furthermore, Greek scholars describe their Thracian neighbors ( ie. Modern day bulgaria, Macedonia) throwing a plant on a fire and inhaling it's fumes that would cause them to dance and shout the whole night. Homer also references a plant that is most likely marijuana in the illiad.

You're right the romans consumed weed but they didn't just use it in food, it has been documented as a medicine for them as well which indicates they took advantage of it's psychoactive properties.

As for the middle ages there isn't as much evidence, mostly because of the prominence of the catholic church and it's position on mind altering substances.

However, there is an Italian journal written by a clothes maker during the renaissance that extolls the virtues of marijuana and is evidence of it's prominence throughout Italy. The journal describes not only cannabis' textile value but it's recreational value as well.

Essentially what I'm saying is that weed has been globally proliferated for millennia. If there was a lull in it's popularity (or more likely, simply a lull in it's documentation) it is trivial in the broad scope of things.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: vonGenf on August 12, 2011, 09:33:52 AM
modern day Romania, no doubt as it was the eastern most part of the Mesopotamian empire

Huh... that's quite an... interesting re-reading of world history and geography.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Fleugs on August 12, 2011, 10:37:37 AM
The earliest physical evidence of weed Ever was found in modern day Romania, no doubt as it was the eastern most part of the Mesopotamian empire whose western most regions included india where weed was quite common for spiritual and medicinal purposes.

Two remarks;


Thanks for the lols though. Did you know, by the way, that Jesus smoked weed?
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: vanKaya on August 12, 2011, 08:39:07 PM
Apologies, i wasn't super clear.

Firstly, fleugs I did not contradict myself, you misread.

The earliest physical evidence of marijuana were charred seeds found on a ritual brazier that dated 2500 bc in modern day Romania.

The earliest documented evidence of marijuana comes from much earlier in china, as a medicine and as a textile, and India, as a spiritual aide. (the Bengal people of India are named after Bhang, an Indian variant of prepared cannabis, Bangladesh means "bhang land people")

 I did make a mistake in referring to the Mesopotamian empire. What I meant was Mesopotamian Empires and what  I was trying to convey by that was the collection of Mesopotamian cultures that existed during the period, ie. Assyria, Babylon, Akkad.

To clarify:

The charred seeds were dated from approx. 2500 bc, a period categorized as the early to mid bronze age. This period witnessed the rise of imperialism in powerful Mesopotamian civilizations, which in turn resulted in a heightened cultural exchange between eastern Europe and the Indian subcontinent, the east and west fringes of the expansive spheres of influence of these empires. The physical evidence in Europe and the written testaments collected from ancient Asian cultures indicates that the first real transcontinental exchange of cannabis most likely happened during this time, most likely via the Assyrian people.

(if you want to know why it's assumed to be the Assyrians it has to do with documents found in Assubanipal's medical library, as well as their cultural association with the Scythians who according to herodutus were the big time European stoners of the ancient age.)

Also, you're right. They didn't have phone lines, or roads. I'm referring to cultural exchanges that happened through trade and migration.
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: Fleugs on August 13, 2011, 08:58:19 AM
Ah yes, the Scythians. I call all my units in BM "Kapnobatai". Maybe you know what it means?  8) Anyway I was just mocking you a little... figured you might have been stoned while writing.  ;)
Title: Re: BM Stoners?
Post by: vanKaya on August 15, 2011, 01:44:25 AM
ah kapnobatai! it sounded familiar when I read it so I looked it up and I have actually heard of them. I think I stumbled upon them looking up Dacian history but I dont know much about them other than they were some of the first heavy cannabis users in Europe.

And, actually, I was stoned when I wrote the second post, not the first haha

hope it was clearer the second time around.