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BattleMaster => Locals => Dwilight => Topic started by: GundamMerc on October 24, 2016, 03:33:40 AM
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So Astrum declared war by surprise, with our army outside the capital and them inside Donghai, with more nobles and manpower, and still got thrown out of the capital.
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In the last two turns the big battles were:
Battle in Donghaiwei:
(rogue), Helyg Derwyddon vs. Astrum: 130 men vs. 850 men
Astrum's Victory.
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Battle in Donghaiwei:
Helyg Derwyddon vs. Astrum: 970 men vs. 170 men
HD's Victory.
You guys killed ~700 men? damn
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What a defeat! :'(
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In the last two turns the big battles were:
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You guys killed ~700 men? damn
Nah, they moved to Donghai.
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So Astrum declared war by surprise, with our army outside the capital and them inside Donghai, with more nobles and manpower, and still got thrown out of the capital.
This shows the danger of looting, especially in a city which gives rise to a lot of peasants. And Astrum did announce the war 2 days before or so, but I can imagine it still came as a surprise.
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Turin would be proud 8)
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Turin would be proud 8)
Thank god he isn't around. Kihalin would have planted Turin in Eidulb permanently.
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Thank god he isn't around. Kihalin would have planted Turin in Eidulb permanently.
Kihalin couldn't have done a thing. Turin was a priest for years. If he weren't in hermitage in Darfix right now he'd be sowing insurrections left and right in HD.
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Kihalin couldn't have done a thing. Turin was a priest for years. If he weren't in hermitage in Darfix right now he'd be sowing insurrections left and right in HD.
Oh right. Good that he is staying as a priest. It suits him.
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Ok, anyone know how to link battle results onto the forums? Because that was awesome.
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Can't post them on the forum. You can't put in game information here. However, you can definitely put them on the wiki :D Good job on recruiting so many militias.
There you go Kuriga :http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Lapallanch_Family/Kihalin/Astro-Helygian_War/Defeat_in_Donghaiwei (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Lapallanch_Family/Kihalin/Astro-Helygian_War/Defeat_in_Donghaiwei)
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Thanks. If anyone has an extra noble slot they aren't using, and are looking for a realm, Helyg Derwyddon could sure use some nobles (shameless advertising go!). We have plenty of gold and very good RCs, plus our leadership is active.
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Thanks. If anyone has an extra noble slot they aren't using, and are looking for a realm, Helyg Derwyddon could sure use some nobles (shameless advertising go!). We have plenty of gold and very good RCs, plus our leadership is active.
We have more gold and even better RCs plus more active people :D You know where to join!
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We have more gold and even better RCs plus more active people :D You know where to join!
Boo, you already have enough nobles. :P
Also, shame on taking Zhongyuan that way, you have enough military to take it over or loot it to the ground. v-v
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Boo, you already have enough nobles. :P
Also, shame on taking Zhongyuan that way, you have enough military to take it over or loot it to the ground. v-v
Why bother with TOs when you can buy the region? We can use our military elsewhere XD
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Why bother with TOs when you can buy the region? We can use our military elsewhere XD
Because a TO is a military act to remove a region from your enemy's control. It doesn't necessarily mean you consider yourself the de jure owner, just the de facto controller. Buying the region through corruption forges documents that actually claim the region as yours de jure and de facto. So even if you didn't plan on keeping it, you have effectively said you lay claim to regions that ex-Morekian realms consider as rightfully theirs.
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Because a TO is a military act to remove a region from your enemy's control. It doesn't necessarily mean you consider yourself the de jure owner, just the de facto controller. Buying the region through corruption forges documents that actually claim the region as yours de jure and de facto. So even if you didn't plan on keeping it, you have effectively said you lay claim to regions that ex-Morekian realms consider as rightfully theirs.
I'm just confused/surprised that people blatantly call it 'buying region' IC as well, even in Astrum :o
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Nobody really cares about the correct term I guess. I mean I just think of it as another option to crush HD but people who care deeply RPs will do it differently.
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I'm just confused/surprised that people blatantly call it 'buying region' IC as well, even in Astrum :o
Well the fact that is says "Region has been Corrupted" or something of that sort to the affected realm doesn't help. So you already know something iffy happened.
Nobody really cares about the correct term I guess. I mean I just think of it as another option to crush HD but people who care deeply RPs will do it differently.
The correct term for the realm that this is done to is Corruption because that's exactly what the game tells you IC.
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That's only partially true. That's what the suffering party gets to see. Astrum in this case got this message which says something entirely different:
Do not post in-game messages on the forum, other than posting your own Roleplays on the Roleplay board, or when appropriate as part of a Magistrate case.
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That's only partially true. That's what the suffering party gets to see. Astrum in this case got this message which says something entirely different:
Ancient Claim Recognized (9 hours, 58 minutes ago)
message to all nobles of Astrum
Local government officials in Zhongyuan announced earlier today that according to ancient documents, Vasilif Dragomir Aurelius, who happened to coincidentally be in the region at that time, holds an ancient and undisputable claim to lordship of Zhongyuan. They officially handed control of the region over to him and Astrum! Shortly afterwards, the responsible officials were nowhere to be found.
Which was what I said, I said that's what the realm whose region is taken sees.
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Ah I see, true. Reason I got confused is because you said that in response to my statement of 'disbelief' that even in Astrum people were saying 'buying region'. Like there was not even a pretence of RP in the sense that, "yeah I have a claim, for whatever reason and blah blah blah".
Part of that has to do with the fact that most people wouldn't consider the IC option of claim because OOC they know it's 'buying' and that somewhat saddens me.
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The physical dismantling of HD seems a bit unnecessary, it's unfortunate that it has to end this way.
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The physical dismantling of HD seems a bit unnecessary, it's unfortunate that it has to end this way.
Well you know how BM works. Never surrender! Fight to the end! :'(
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Uhm, hold the phone right there. Wasn't Taishan considered a protected region that wasn't to be involved in the fighting because Arnor has claims to it?
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Uhm, hold the phone right there. Wasn't Taishan considered a protected region that wasn't to be involved in the fighting because Arnor has claims to it?
Protected from what?
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Well you know how BM works. Never surrender! Fight to the end! :'(
I approve of driving half of Dwilight rogue. Too many realms still, scorched earth policy until there are only inner sea realms!
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I approve of driving half of Dwilight rogue. Too many realms still, scorched earth policy until there are only inner sea realms!
Realms always want to expand. They don't want to shrink their size to allow Westgard to grow large XD.
At the moment there are 195 nobles or so and 110 regions are under players' control. We will have to lose at least 40 meaning many realms gotta go but that is not going to happen. At one point Dwilight did go under 100 regions and reached the noble to region count of 2 but since then people expanded again to make the ratio less than 2 again.
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Protected from what?
Nvm Helm sent Astrum a letter. Well... he has options now...
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Realms always want to expand. They don't want to shrink their size to allow Westgard to grow large XD.
At the moment there are 195 nobles or so and 110 regions are under players' control. We will have to lose at least 40 meaning many realms gotta go but that is not going to happen. At one point Dwilight did go under 100 regions and reached the noble to region count of 2 but since then people expanded again to make the ratio less than 2 again.
It's okay if Westgard grows, it's an inner sea realm and thus deserves it. ;)
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I think we are getting off the topic purpose...
But Chenier, you *want* realms to be surrounded by rogues on both sides, with mostly island cities held by humanity, and the food-producing rurals owned by rogues? Sounds like suicide to me.
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Sounds like fun! :D
Honestly, I don't share your pessimism, though. Been quite a while since I looked at the data, though, and it might have changed since. There's quite a few food dump cities in these eastern realms, and good food producing regions in those inner sea realms. Only two realms have a serious food deficit, one of which isn't an inner sea realm. ;)
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Why wouldn't they Auto De Fe Caiyun and then buy it instead of those other regions?
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Why would anyone use auto de fe and who said we were going to keep Caiyun?
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Umm the thread is "Astrumese War of Reconquest for Caiyun".
In order to buy a region it needs to be lordless. That's what the Auto De Fe is for. Also those things can wreak serious havoc if you're not using them left and right you're missing out big-time.
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Umm the thread is "Astrumese War of Reconquest for Caiyun".
In order to buy a region it needs to be lordless. That's what the Auto De Fe is for. Also those things can wreak serious havoc if you're not using them left and right you're missing out big-time.
Unless the lord is of your religion. Also, auto da fe is not risk-free.
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Unless the lord is of your religion. Also, auto da fe is not risk-free.
If they're SA and stopping the divine reconquest of the faith's most holy city they should be excommunicated.
The risk is entirely to the priest aside from some loss of followers.
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If they're SA and stopping the divine reconquest of the faith's most holy city they should be excommunicated.
The risk is entirely to the priest aside from some loss of followers.
Indeed.
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If they're SA and stopping the divine reconquest of the faith's most holy city they should be excommunicated.
The risk is entirely to the priest aside from some loss of followers.
You're forgetting that Astrum also has ESA members who would not allow it, plus this wasn't a religious war, that was made very clear by the SA council. To make things worse, Astrum was actually now allowed to even travel through Caiyun for the duration of this war by the SA.
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You're forgetting that Astrum also has ESA members who would not allow it, plus this wasn't a religious war, that was made very clear by the SA council. To make things worse, Astrum was actually now allowed to even travel through Caiyun for the duration of this war by the SA.
That is so freaking lame. This is why you have so few priests.
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Though I'm not sure if the priests made the decision or had it imposed on them, auto da fe are double-edged swords. You've got much to risk, usually, by stirring people against your religion. Some conservatives types are happy to stack followers and temples without ever using them.
Adding a crusader subclass for warriors to take advantage of followers might help make religion a bit more used though ;)
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Adding a crusader subclass for warriors to take advantage of followers might help make religion a bit more used though ;)
Although i like the idea, i am afraid that making features like religion to useful, or worse, appear necessary in order to wage a successful war, will in the end ruin the feature, turning it more into a tool then a great way to add flavour and dimension to the game.
As long as a feature like crusader class doesn't impact combat too significantly it can add to the religion game in a positive way.
I personally think religion needs improvement in the way people use them, the mechanics are quite good and statisfying.
It's just the lack of a good story and player involvement that gives the idea that religion needs improvement.
SA had quite a good structure and story but less people invest time playing the religion game.
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Obviously any mechanic needs to be balanced. The idea wasn't as much "allow warriors to win through religion" as "incite non-priests to care about religion". Having crusaders able to restock food and morale by asking charity of the pious would be one mechanic that'd allow for low but interesting interaction.
Because as it is, priests are the only ones to really be "involved" in religion, and they are forcibly removed from most other impacts of gameplay. Having religion be its own mini-game, parallel to everything else, is largely to blame for why most people don't care about it.
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For a while there was discussion of making the "hero-priest" combination a functional cross class in which the hero-priest actually fights alongside followers in RTOs and Auto-De-Fe's (and also has a risk of being killed doing so). Right now it's just a priest that can occasionally tell tales of old battles. Also I once floated the idea of priests preaching on battlefields in order to give a slight bonus to a faithful army. It will happen automatically as part of the battle. Any noble that follows that priest's religeon will get some sort of moral bonus that temporarily improves their cohesion or training level for their unit.
A Paladin class might be interesting. Like priests it should only be available if you're a follower of a religeon. Unlike priests it doesn't protect from excommunication. It should probably be a main class so players wont be barred from playing it if they chose "hero" class. I like the idea of gathering alms from the faithful. They shouldn't be able to preach though. That way priests will have to work alongside them.