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BattleMaster => Locals => Dwilight => Topic started by: Foxglove on November 29, 2016, 09:35:36 PM
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Pretty much as the subject heading says, a shameless recruitment appeal designed to give you an idea of what Westgard is like if you're thinking about looking for a new place to play.
Westgard is the only realm currently completely based in the west of Dwilight. It was founded by the Dev Team to be a home for players who were forced to migrate characters to Dwilight during the island closures. It still has a fair number of the nobles who arrived at that time, but it's also gained a few people from other sources. Generally, it maintains its position as the realm with the largest noble count on Dwilight, alongside being one of the smallest realms in terms of number of regions.
As a frontier realm, it's constantly under attack by the monsters and undead of the west. This leads to an endless war against the monsters, with plenty of battles. As a result, the realm has a strong PvE gameplay experience. It normally has several battles per week, both large and small. Generally speaking, most people can be funded to lead respectable units into battles. So lots of action.
In terms of both the practicality of its location and its established roleplay, Westgard doesn't really seek conflict with other realms. It considers itself to be the Shield of Humanity with a Calling to defend the civilised lands of the east against the vicious, ravening beasts of the wilds. Broadly speaking, it's on good terms with the other nearby realms. So, Westgard isn't the run-of-the-mill BM realm. It's intentionally something different. There are clear parallels with the Night's Watch from Game of Thrones, but we've tried to make it something less derivative than just a straight copy of that.
There are plenty of opportunities for roleplay (whether writing roleplays or just how you play your character). The realm doesn't have much of a religion going, so there's room for someone to create something there. Whether it be to try to introduce one of the native Dwilight religions to Westgard or create something new. Westgard's native 'religion' is called The Virtues, but it's not a religion in the common sense. It's more like a code of personal conduct akin to chivalry or a similar oath.
So, in summary, Westgard is a realm with a clear and distinctive theme. It's intentionally not like other realms, particularly in that its main focus is fighting NPCs - which may or may not be to your liking according to your tastes - some will find it interesting, while others will find it a bore. It's a pretty active realm for those willing to get involved. Almost all letters I see are answered by someone. It has a very large number of battles because it's endlessly at war with the hordes. Mostly, people have good level of funding to maintain units. There's a pretty strong team spirit in the realm that makes it an enjoyable and friendly playing environment.
And that's all I can think to say at the moment. This isn't a recruitment thread just aimed at getting more players to boost one side or another in a war, it's just because Westgard is an interesting and different place to play that has things to offer in terms of adding to your enjoyment of the game. I can honestly say that it's the most interesting realm I currently play in.
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This man has no shame!
Join Westfold instead! It's in the East but called WESTfold. That's how stubborn we are.
Hoozah!
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Westfold deserves to die. How dare it take that name, and not even be in the West!?!
As for Westgard, I've been liking my time there so far. Foxglove seems to me like one of the best rulers I've been under in quite a while. I can't even remember all that many rulers I enjoyed being under, either. Does stuff, shares stuff, doesn't try to micromanage everyone. Maybe I lowered my standards, though. :P
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Maybe I lowered my standards, though. :P
Yep, that's sure to be it! ;)
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If anyone feels like being in a realm that gets hit by monsters a lot less, you can always join Astrum XD
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If anyone feels like being in a realm that gets hit by monsters a lot less, you can always join Astrum XD
Boo, you already have enough nobles.
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You fool! There is no such thing as enough nobles in BM! 8)
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I think out of all my years playing BM, penning the Virtues for the first Archon Nethercoate was one of my great achievements.
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Westfold carries its name legitimately. It was formed by the remaining exiles from Asylon and Nisleur from the original monster invasion of West. Our cities overrun and no hope of support (and certainly no sympathy for our plight from the dev team or anyone else) we went east and took up with the only realm that didn't want to submerge us in their culture.
Fueled by promises long kept by the Lurian government we served as the spearpoint of their army against almost all Luria. As just repayment for our service to their emperor, we wrested the new realm of Westfold, so named in honour of our birthplace, from the bones of old Corsanctum and Morek.
While our realm is one of the newest in Dwilight its antecedents and history are ancient and storied.
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OP applies just for nobles or adventurers as well? It seems to me that it would be a great place for adventurer character. Challenging but fun.
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OP applies just for nobles or adventurers as well? It seems to me that it would be a great place for adventurer character. Challenging but fun.
I've played as an adventurer on Dwilight. Had the most fun there (adventurer on BT less). There are groups and guilds and roleplays for adventurers to join on DWI which makes it a lot more fun.
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Westgard treats its adventurers well... for smelly commoners ;D They might be commoners, but they're still doing the good work of opposing the hordes. There's a healthy market for unique items for those who want to focus on gathering rather than fighting.
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After reading your compelling message, I have come to join the realm of Westgard!
This is my first day, and everything seems quite new and overwhelming, so please let me know if you have any advice. I have read the initial guides, but I'm not sure how to best use my time as I begin life in this new realm.
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After reading your compelling message, I have come to join the realm of Westgard!
This is my first day, and everything seems quite new and overwhelming, so please let me know if you have any advice. I have read the initial guides, but I'm not sure how to best use my time as I begin life in this new realm.
Well you picked a great place to start, since that's where our armies are. One of our problems is that most of our lands tend to be occupied by monsters most of the time, so anyone that creates a character in Westgard tends to have the brutal initiation of fighting along against thousands of CS of rogues. :P
For now we are just waiting for another fight with the monsters, better check your unit settings to make sure you are going to deploy properly and not in front of everyone else. Then I'll be issuing orders after the battle, in about an hour or so.
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Trial by fire, eh? Sounds like a good way to start!
That was lucky to meet up with the army so early. Sadly, I spent my hours training my men (based on the Standing Orders) before I received your message that the Orders were outdated, so I'll be late to Gaston Farms. My apologies :(
I'll march to rejoin the army at the next reset, so hopefully that won't be too late. My archers are set to 2DB per the Standing Orders, so I'll be ready to fight when I catch up!
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Trial by fire, eh? Sounds like a good way to start!
That was lucky to meet up with the army so early. Sadly, I spent my hours training my men (based on the Standing Orders) before I received your message that the Orders were outdated, so I'll be late to Gaston Farms. My apologies :(
I'll march to rejoin the army at the next reset, so hopefully that won't be too late. My archers are set to 2DB per the Standing Orders, so I'll be ready to fight when I catch up!
Yea, the second army hasn't been used for many months. It was a confusing coincidence that the standing orders happened to match the current region we were in. :P
Always assume that written orders overwrite standing orders, though, as it's quite frequent for people to forget to update their standing orders.
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And yea, we have over 30k of monsters in our lands. It's always pretty hazardous to do anything solo in Westgard.
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Westgard: there be monsters (little squiggle of dragons on the map)
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Here be a Dragon
(http://i.imgur.com/AdRyRro.jpg)
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Haha quite the imagination! I like it.
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I like the recruity-ness of this thread. Maybe I'll do something similar the next time Xavax needs a boost...
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Haha quite the imagination! I like it.
Gotta keep updating our squiggles frequently though, darned borders never stay the same for long! :P
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NEW DRAGONS!
(http://i.imgur.com/XQp5X1O.jpg)
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It kind of makes sense. We rest our heads on Woe and reach for Remorse.
10/10, would slay
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:o nowai
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Include Zereth, and we have the perfect dragon head chewing on the Woe mountains.
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Include Zereth, and we have the perfect dragon head chewing on the Woe mountains.
Haha some overeager noble started taking over Zereth when I got wounded there, but alas, that ain't for now. :P
Gaston has like 12 pop and Gaston Farms isn't even a townsland, so looks like Gelene is our only repair spot for the time being. Time to head there!
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Hopefully Avernus will make it's eventual move to somewhere away from Westgard in the future. Golden Farrow, perhaps. Darfix.. maybe. We are cramped up here now that Westgard has cut off our expansion options. War is the only war out which isn't a bad idea... but would have to be orchestrated in game somehow. And probably not with Westgard. *Looks over at Arnor with a slight drool*
Ya'll keep asking for our army to help fight the rogues but then you kill half of them before we even arrive. (how rude!) We just want to loot! Soooo that's what we're gonna do ;D
No bad feelings. But you ruffled our feather the wrong way :P
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The last time Avernus tried to settle Golden Farrow it didn't end too well, but then again they were being led by a Mayhem.
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Ya'll keep asking for our army to help fight the rogues but then you kill half of them before we even arrive. (how rude!) We just want to loot! Soooo that's what we're gonna do ;D
That was my bad. I newb marshaled the army to break a rogue takeover and had no idea what was going on internationally. Got there just in time to hold onto Ygg's, Avernus seemed to land just as the region woulda went rogue. I had to thumb my nose some in the region.
No worries, though. There's always more monsters to kill.
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The last time Avernus tried to settle Golden Farrow it didn't end too well, but then again they were being led by a Mayhem.
Yes, I heard about this. Apparently, one of Morek's dukes was planning on selling Golden Farrow to D'Hara so Avernus was forced to return to Morek Empire instead.
No worries, though. There's always more monsters to kill.
Yes, but we want our own monsters haha ;D As much fun as it is to help our Westgard, Avernus would prefer to have monsters and rogue regions right out our front door to slay and loot. One day...... maybe.
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Hopefully Avernus will make it's eventual move to somewhere away from Westgard in the future. Golden Farrow, perhaps. Darfix.. maybe. We are cramped up here now that Westgard has cut off our expansion options. War is the only war out which isn't a bad idea... but would have to be orchestrated in game somehow. And probably not with Westgard. *Looks over at Arnor with a slight drool*
Ya'll keep asking for our army to help fight the rogues but then you kill half of them before we even arrive. (how rude!) We just want to loot! Soooo that's what we're gonna do ;D
No bad feelings. But you ruffled our feather the wrong way :P
There's 20k of rogues converging on Gelene Outskirts about to kick our asses, there's no shortage of rogues.
But your military is organized in an obscure manner to foreigners and your officials don't tend to reply and coordinate much. Am I supposed to coordinate with your general? Your marshal? Your ruler? You all keep throwing the ball at each other and none actively communicate with me (Westgard's general). I asked Avernus' help, but I don't think I ever got confirmation that you were ever actually coming, your arrival was actually a surprise to everyone.
I've given several updates to your general, despite only getting a single reply from Avernus within the last few weeks. Don't blame me for not giving daily updates when I never get any replies and my character was wounded for most of the time since you arrived.
It's honestly a surprising trend, though. "Hey, we've arrived with an army to help you!" "Wait, what? Takes about a week to get here, couldn't you tell us... before you actually arrive? We are in the opposite side of the realm right now and I've got no one near you to provide you with any scout reports to help guide the way..." It's not just Avernus.
To be fair, it's something I've witnessed in pretty much all of my game time, and which I never understood. Inter-realm coordination is always awful because most of the realms involved tend to make no effort whatsoever to coordinate with the rest.
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In an alternate reality where Westgard was still in Eidulb it'd have been really cool for Avernus to be in Golden Farrow. Eidulb, Golden Farrow, Paisly, and Candiels could have been the hubs of PvE, each with a direct sea route to each other for safe reinforcements when !@#$ goes south. But that's not likely to happen. :P
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There's 20k of rogues converging on Gelene Outskirts about to kick our asses, there's no shortage of rogues.
But your military is organized in an obscure manner to foreigners and your officials don't tend to reply and coordinate much. Am I supposed to coordinate with your general? Your marshal? Your ruler? You all keep throwing the ball at each other and none actively communicate with me (Westgard's general). I asked Avernus' help, but I don't think I ever got confirmation that you were ever actually coming, your arrival was actually a surprise to everyone.
I've given several updates to your general, despite only getting a single reply from Avernus within the last few weeks. Don't blame me for not giving daily updates when I never get any replies and my character was wounded for most of the time since you arrived.
It's honestly a surprising trend, though. "Hey, we've arrived with an army to help you!" "Wait, what? Takes about a week to get here, couldn't you tell us... before you actually arrive? We are in the opposite side of the realm right now and I've got no one near you to provide you with any scout reports to help guide the way..." It's not just Avernus.
To be fair, it's something I've witnessed in pretty much all of my game time, and which I never understood. Inter-realm coordination is always awful because most of the realms involved tend to make no effort whatsoever to coordinate with the rest.
Please, chill out a bit. I'm not the General and I don't know what's going on between you or our leadership. I just follow orders and come on here to discuss this or that. Nor was I insulting your realm. I'm not even going to reply to the rest of this because it seems a bit too heated.
In an alternate reality where Westgard was still in Eidulb it'd have been really cool for Avernus to be in Golden Farrow. Eidulb, Golden Farrow, Paisly, and Candiels could have been the hubs of PvE, each with a direct sea route to each other for safe reinforcements when !@#$ goes south. But that's not likely to happen. :P
Moving Avernus to a new location is still in the works. We still have a treaty from Arnor stating that Nifelheim and Nifel are on loan from them until we either 1) find a new location for our realm or 2) help Arnor acquire a replacement city and townsland. However, with the shape that Arnor is in right now it's kind of unlikely. If we do actually make a move I think it would be down to Golden Farrow. More room for activities!
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I'm not mad, just stating my observations. I didn't feel offended, and did not intend to offend. I was simply informing you of why you were experiencing what you did.
Plus, Avernus' timely arrival in Ygg d'Razhuul broke the takeover, the Sun Swords would quite possibly have been defeated in that battle otherwise. So it's not really accurate to say you came for nothing.
There's no shortage of rogues to fight. If your leaders are telling you otherwise, then maybe they have an agenda. Most likely they just aren't really good at coordinating, "failing to reply to letters" being a trait Avernus is starting to be renown for. I'm not the first one to say this.
As for moving Avernus, I think someone is selling you dreams. Arnor doesn't have the nobles to claim Avernus' lands. And Avernus would never survive out in Darfix, Golden Farrow, Paisly, or just about anywhere else in the West. This is not a critique of your competence; I don't think anyone could survive such an attempt. Most if not all of these regions are depopulated. They have no infrastructure. They are hard to reinforce. They are surrounded by very large hordes routinely. They would require substantial sponsoring in terms of food, gold, and military aid to even just kick off, and would inevitably fail. Westgard still exists (despite nearly failing a number of times) because it didn't start out with nothing in a post-expansion Dwilight. It was given a hand starting out, its regions were made productive to begin with, and many eastern realms did not have the expanse they do now (affecting rogue spawns). If Westgard had just been a player-led initiative from some eastern realm, I wouldn't have expected it to survive long either. And Darfix or Golden Farrow are both much worse than Gelene because of how far off you'd be from other human realms. Golden Farrow links to Astrum, but they are involved in a war and couldn't help, even if they could be swayed to. It also links to D'Hara, but, no offense, it can't even hold its own without outside help. Any eastern realm would need to sail a long time and would arrive with lots of wear, low morale, and incredible expenses.
Again, this isn't a critique, but an analysis to a project that you harbor. Just because it's negative doesn't mean that it is slander or heated. I don't limit myself to saying only nice and positive things.
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The Sun Sword's marshal reports the same experience as mine, our ruler's, and a number of foreigners: Avernus' officials just don't reply to missives.
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No worries! ;D I like someone who is brutally honest 8)
Anyways, we have discussed the fact that we would need to store at least 20-30,000 gold in order to make the move. Infrastructures, RCs, wait for population to rise, food supply, militia drops, etc. This wouldn't be ready to happen for months and months. Furthermore, we wouldn't go gung-ho and forget about Nifelheim and our current regions. Of course we would keep a back-up of our current realm in case everything failed. Yes, there is a good chance it could all crumble but that's part of the fun! Risking it for the biscuit, as they say.
No matter, we may never get there and perhaps the leadership does have something else planned. Guess I will have to stir the pot in a different direction :P
The Sun Sword's marshal reports the same experience as mine, our ruler's, and a number of foreigners: Avernus' officials just don't reply to missives.
Hmm and our General didn't even have the correct line settings in the most recent battle. The public channels have been rather quiet except for talking about looting.
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People often play BM too cautiously. Take risks. Don't wait for the perfect opportunity to do something, do it now!
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But communicate, dammit.
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And Chenier isn't wrong that the West is *hard* living.
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20k gold doesn't seem nearly enough. 1000 CS units will cost around 100 gold per week. You probably want about 20k CS to deal with all these large hordes in the region. So you'd have about 10 weeks' worth of salaries. But that doesn't consider unit replacement costs from battle losses. Nor repairs. Nor does it consider the infrastructure needed. I expect a city to take more than 10 weeks to recover, too.
Not sure what you mean about not abandoning your current regions, but the sheer distance would make it impossible to hold both for any meaningful amount of time. Whatever part that doesn't have the capital will revolt rapidly. And while it does give secure funding, it also means splitting your effectives. If you need nobles staying back at home, you'd be left with very few to work with abroad.
In my eyes, to work, it'd need to be an all-in move with all of your nobles AND solid sponsoring from foreign realms.
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People often play BM too cautiously. Take risks. Don't wait for the perfect opportunity to do something, do it now!
If Morek has to die, figure we should give Westgard a joining recruitment ;)
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20k gold doesn't seem nearly enough.
Yea, mountains of gold does not really help all that much in the West due to the sheer grindy nature of fighting the rogue waves. When Westgard started I knew that several of us came with the 10,000 gold cap that could be taken from other islands. However a lot of it was immediately burned out by donating it to the realm for infrastructure, helping people recruit units since taxes weren't that great, replacing and recruiting your own units with no income, and then I managed to throw the rest of it away at Eidulb :'(
So Westgard, with a ton of nobles and a ton of gold, still got its butt kicked around a fair deal, and may not have even made it without a little bit of divine intervention towards the beginning, and I doubt that would occur if Avernus tried to hightail it to Darfix.
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and may not have even made it without a little bit of divine intervention towards the beginning
And we're still tweaking monster code to improve it. One day monster sailing will actually work on Dwilight and Beluaterra, damn it. And monster land movement could be vastly improved from what it is now, though it has also gotten a lot better than what it started as...
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Indeed, and AFAIK, devs manually added population to the regions targetted for Westguard, something nobody else would benefit from when going for untamed regions. Having a region with near max pop off the bat is a HUGE boon.
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Anyone who likes constant battles, we've still got about 30k CS of rogues in our lands to deal with, plus countless at the borders. And open estates too!
Westgard's army is always up to something. 8)
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Anyone who likes constant battles, we've still got about 30k CS of rogues in our lands to deal with, plus countless at the borders. And open estates too!
Westgard's army is always up to something. 8)
Maybe, maybe I'll consider it in a while. Westgard did shrink a bit again in my absence of BM
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Yea, I was never there for its glory days. It was brought to the brink of extinction at least once, and then cycled growth and bust repeatedly since. When I did rejoin the game 10 months ago, we had but a few regions left. Took, lost, and retook a great many regions since. Monster behavior was tweaked multiple times since, though, so I'm more confident than before in our perspectives against the endless hordes, though we also did lost a bunch of nobles in those 10 months, so that kind of negates the gains.
I can't see Westgard ever regaining the extent it once had.
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K, we now know the glory aspects of Westgard, what are the downsides? Money issues, food issues? Is there much chatter and some RP within the realm, or is it more following orders, hunting monsters and that sort of stuff?
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Not an extremely chatty realm. Some realm-wide talk, but not much, a decent amount of technical talk in the military council. Almost all chatter is military stuff, though, like what kind of RCs to build, what regions to reclaim, how to optimize taxes, what order to hit monsters in, that kind of talk. Every now and then we get riled up by Avernus looting us. I think the realm is fairly responsive, though, when someone writes out, such as when joining the realm, there's usually multiple responses, but there's certainly a kind of routine established where everyone knows fighting monsters has been on the agenda for a while, still is, and forever will. Every now and then we get crazy ideas, but the reality remains that any act in the East would leave us defenseless towards the hordes migrating from the West.
Money: not the poorest realm, not the richest either. We make by. Food: kind of the same, I don't ever remember starvation issues, but food is often rationed and purchased as a precaution. I think our current extent has us on the safe side.
It's mostly chasing monsters, doing battles, doing takeovers. It's great for gaining h/p. If you are looking for political intrigue though I don't think there's any to be had.
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Political intrigue nope, got my hands full with EC.
My char in Astrum was highly political however, but has now taken a background position. H/P is not so much my main concern (although infil actions do take it out of ya). If I'd join it would be mostly to do some fun RP stuff or so from time to time (I tend to prefer more frequent smaller RP's over once a month essays) and some fun chatter now and then about random stuff. "Hey look I saw some monsters I've never seen before, they were big animals, mainly black but with black and white striped heads, what are they?" and then someone yells badgers and runs. *Granted, that is maybe oldschool Atamara, but you get the idea. Is that something that could work there, or better keep him in Astrum?
Side question, is there an academy in Gelene?
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Selena
Physical Age: 25 years
Main Class: Warrior
Sub Class: Cavalier
Honour: 453
Prestige: 42
Yea that can be handy as an infiltrator, both to attain the minimum to become one and to maintain it afterwards. This character is about 10 months old, starting "young".
Different people offer their inputs every now and then. I think I'm the most talkative, though. Barely anything gets sent to "realm council only", the ruler more or less regularly keeps us up to date on world events, and most non-technical talk is public (and for the rest, well, I was made a vice-marshal and dumped into the military table less than a week after recreating this account, I think, I don't think people showing interest would be blocked out).
Yes there's an academy.
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Sounds much less boring than where my noble's at. My advy is in Westgard though. Pretty much same as any other realm for advies. I don't believe there is a realm-based community for commoners at all on Dwi.
There's one international one, obviously; and then there's this awesome RP one Malus started but it died down over the recent months. I think Malus may've went inactive?
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Well, Luria does a fair bit of adventurer organizing. Nobles can join the Royal Rangers too, there's a guildhouse in most places, including Westgard. Granted I left it, didn't really appeal to me. So Luria might stand out a bit in terms of adventurer experience, while most realms will be similar. I've got an adventurer in Westgard, often there's no other adventurer nearby to share my links to, and where there are, I rarely get any from others, and I rarely get retroaction from those I share. Pretty much the same as elsewhere I played with that advy though.
It's hard to organize adventurers, imo. Noble-directed efforts feel awkards, while adventurers themselves have few tools. There's also not much to strive for; organizing to what ends? Groups of two could find champions more quickly I guess, but more than that and you are just travelling more often than not. Westgard adopted a policy to have bounties in all regions, but gold is also of limited use to adventurers. It can go towards buying equipment, but that's capped by skill anyways.
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Yea that can be handy as an infiltrator, both to attain the minimum to become one and to maintain it afterwards. This character is about 10 months old, starting "young".
Different people offer their inputs every now and then. I think I'm the most talkative, though. Barely anything gets sent to "realm council only", the ruler more or less regularly keeps us up to date on world events, and most non-technical talk is public (and for the rest, well, I was made a vice-marshal and dumped into the military table less than a week after recreating this account, I think, I don't think people showing interest would be blocked out).
Yes there's an academy.
Goriad still has 93 honor and 30 prestige, that'll last an infiltrator quite a long while.
It's not so much though that I see positions and rise of power (can get those back in Astrum in 10 seconds prob) but just some inner realm chatter and fun. I am looking at another alternative for Goriad as well, so will let you know what I decide to do. Depends on a couple of IG stuff.
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Also, we are currently expanding again. :)
Influx of regions and nobles always creates opportunities. For the military-minded, we often cycle between two and one army, depending on our resources and noble count. Whenever the situation allows we split our forces for as long as it's sustainable (until said armies dwindle to the point of not being able to stop a basic horde anymore).
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I might be interested in case Astrum destroys us >:(
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Ooooh, maybe you should hasten its downfall!
That'd be interesting if Westfold nobles came to Westgard. Westgard and Astrum had a complicated past, but have been very friendly as of late. This migrant influx could complicate neighborly relations.
Westgard has access to vast territories too that it can't/won't annex for mere lack of nobles. We are just around our sweet spot for density right now, but more nobles heightens the bar.
Also not sure how things go internally, but Westfold seems like one of the more dynamic realms of the continent. With monsters now swimming to the over-expansionnist eastern realms, Westgard may no longer be forever locked into the "monsters' eternal punching bag" status it's had since ages. The removal of Westfold in the East and the migration of its nobles West would displace densities, and thus further incite the hordes to move East into of to Westgard, while at the same time directly bolstering our capacities. Westgard could very well gain the capacity to project might abroad, for the first time in ages. It's not really in our culture to do so, but 11 nobles could have some power to shift mentalities, especially if it results in unprecedented prosperity. 8)
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Whoa man, hold your horses :)
There's only 10 of us, and I think some will probably look up north for realms to join.
I don't quite follow politics (or anything really) in DWI, but a constant fight to gain much H/P doesn't sound like a terrible idea to me.
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Whoa man, hold your horses :)
There's only 10 of us, and I think some will probably look up north for realms to join.
I don't quite follow politics (or anything really) in DWI, but a constant fight to gain much H/P doesn't sound like a terrible idea to me.
Horses? My alpaca-driven carriage is unstoppable!
Realm list page says 11 nobles for Westfold. Are you forgetting yourself? :P
Westgard is north! If you exclude the Cayun exclave, our southernmost tip is forther north than your northernmost tip!
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Alpaca? Meh
Do you guys have giant badgers by any chance?
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Alpaca? Meh
Do you guys have giant badgers by any chance?
Oh gods, not the badgers...
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Not yet. But I colonist boats can bring all kinds of wonders. ;)
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Westgard, killing the hordes no matter where they may hide!
We've killed over 55k of rogues over the last few weeks. Even killing them on their own turf, 'cuz we are just that good.
Buggers captured me, though. Asking 2500 gold ransom, these monsters have balls!
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Good thing Rouges have little sense and can't take the gold on your person or torture you. :P
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I mean...if that bothers you, I could make them do that from time to time ;D
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Westgard, killing the hordes no matter where they may hide!
We've killed over 55k of rogues over the last few weeks. Even killing them on their own turf, 'cuz we are just that good.
Buggers captured me, though. Asking 2500 gold ransom, these monsters have balls!
What do monsters actually do with the gold though - eat it?
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I mean...if that bothers you, I could make them do that from time to time ;D
I'm confident the Dev team has more important things on the to-do list :D
I don't have anywhere near what the ransom is asking for. Besides, I think a week in prison is harsh enough a punishment, I wouldn't think it a good idea to make it even worse.
Especially since it seems you can't even bribe the rogues... so... yea. A week of total lock-out. Pretty much the worst that can happen to a character, short of death.
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I do hope so, cause I've found myself in them rogue prisons often enough ::)
And the ransom system is set up that it's based off the gold you carry, so in the beginning you never have enough and then after a certain amount of days you do etc (and then you make the mistake of fat finger clicking on your mobile phone and you pay 3800 gold in ransom money...oh no wait, that was me last week :'()
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Yea...
If I don't pay before day 5, I lose all my titles. Though if I do wait past day 5 and lose all my titles, I'll still get them all right back. Just a pain for everyone, though.
Mostly a pain that unlike wounding where I can at least read some of the messages, or normal prison where I can even get a chance to reply, rogue capture is a total lock-out for the time it lasts. As it's my only noble character, it basically means no BM for a week. :-\
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Talking about inhumans in the North-West...
Eh... someone just opened a portal in Darfix? Duuuuuuuuuuude, we were *finally* getting a break from having buggers stepping on our throats.
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You can still bribe guards, even in rogue prisons, but not through clicking on the option. Sometimes it will automatically happen though, even in rogue prisons.
And yeah, with 1 char you'll feel the pain even more. I had one of those weeks 2 weeks ago, with 1 nearly dying and 2 others in prison. Gave me time to write some RP's though in stead you can send again once he's back.
And yeah, someone opened a portal in Darfix, I was present, but the commoner had fled already once I saw the message.
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Talking about inhumans in the North-West...
Eh... someone just opened a portal in Darfix? Duuuuuuuuuuude, we were *finally* getting a break from having buggers stepping on our throats.
Is that necessarily going to be a bad thing?
Perhaps it will attract all the rogues, destroy them or bring the Zuma or other daimons back to kick some rogue ass.
Perhaps even make a few commoner characters in the vicinity nobles and become a new realm :P
Ok maybe not the latter, but lots of things could happen with portals If i understand them correctly.
The commoner who opened it didn't write rp or something?
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Darfix is somewhat deep into rogue lands. I've got an advy that's heading there, but that'll take a few days.
I think most portals don't actually do much, nowadays? Still... I doubt any good can come of it. No way of knowing who did it, either, especially if they are already gone.
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They generally do whatever the devs feel like it doing at the time they write a RP etc. Generally it also depends a bit on how much efforts was put into RP'ing the whole thing, which at this point it seems nothing was done of that sort.
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How long do portals last for?
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Portals disappear once they have done something (before the devs manually make it do something). That can take a week, but the Akesh/Krimml ones stayed for months before something was done with them. There is no timeframe, it might stay up for years for all we know.
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They generally do whatever the devs feel like it doing at the time they write a RP etc. Generally it also depends a bit on how much efforts was put into RP'ing the whole thing, which at this point it seems nothing was done of that sort.
Yea, not placing "blame" on the devs. Though if the Zuma wanna squat Darfix from now on, killing rogues around them (but keeping within a few regions of the city), that's fine by me. :P
Or if the portal wants to send all nearby monsters straight to the Netherworld, that's also fine by me!
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Yea, not placing "blame" on the devs. Though if the Zuma wanna squat Darfix from now on, killing rogues around them (but keeping within a few regions of the city), that's fine by me. :P
Or if the portal wants to send all nearby monsters straight to the Netherworld, that's also fine by me!
I'm not giving any judgement on the matter, just stating how the portals work. Frankly if someone just opens a portal, does no RP, does no story no nothing, I'd be fine with the portal collapsing and doing nothing. They are not tactical nukes meant without roleplay from what I gather (and think).
And you're just being greedy and needy now Chenier, wanting the devs to do your dirty work. I thought fighting monsters was the nice thing about Westgard? ::) ;D
Ps, Darfix and Under Darfix don't even have that many monsters in them in the first place.
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Does it tell the people who use them to provide some RP, though? I think they do, but I'm not sure.
Haha, I'm all for fighting rogues. 't'was just nice, for a change, to go hunt down huge hordes on our own initiative instead of barely scrapping by.
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Does it tell the people who use them to provide some RP, though? I think they do, but I'm not sure.
Haha, I'm all for fighting rogues. 't'was just nice, for a change, to go hunt down huge hordes on our own initiative instead of barely scrapping by.
Not sure, never tried it myself.
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Did Anaris nerf monsters on Dwilight?
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Nope. Why do you ask?
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Nope. Why do you ask?
Was wondering how Westgard managed to get so big again lol.
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We are dense. Last tweaks sent a lot of the monsters that used to focus on Westgard off to the rest of the continent, where many realms have still not recovered. We got bigger, but not as much as everyone else got smaller, continental density is thus still lower than what it was at when the last invasion was triggered.
That, and, well... we did kill like 100 000 CS of rogues this month. At least 60k in the last few weeks, in any case. And it ain't the first time we grow this big, I think we had 4 more regions than we have now when the last invasion was triggered (current extent + Mountain of Woe, Gaston Farms, Gaston, and Jorradith). I haven't been in any rush to reclaim those precisely to keep density high enough, hence why we went to kill the hordes in Eidulb Outskirts and Duil (5k + 18k, better to kill them there before they reach us).
I don't really understand how come the other realms have failed to recover, but Westgard has an active and efficient military. We *never* sit around for nothing.
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Nope. Why do you ask?
Well, you kinda did (as far as Westgard is concerned), but just not lately. The last monster update helps Westgard tremendously. Just takes time for any monster code tweak to have an impact.
That said, my adventurer is getting a ton of new rogue spawn alerts in those parts, so things may get hot again. I have no clue though because my character was captured by the rogues when attacking Duil.
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Only 100k over a month? That sounds rather small.
I remember seeing that in a week before monsters learn how to swim. Guess the recent change worked as intended.
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Hmmm... I don't think we'd often KILL over 100k per month. We'd definitely see it, but then we'd just lose most of our regions. We never really fielded more than 20k at a time, so even when monsters are abundant, killing that much in a month is no easy task given our resources.
Also, never gonna forget that time we almost stole Canada's slogan of "Coast to Coast"!
(http://maps.battlemaster.org/History-8/2017-02-03-0.jpg)
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Oh thats an old map. I heard Westfold is pretty much dead.
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Monster script has been broke for awhile (weeks/months), so they were nerfed, but not intentionally.
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Oh thats an old map. I heard Westfold is pretty much dead.
Yea, February. Didn't last long, still felt pretty badass to have spread that far West. ALMOST forced the monsters to spawn only South of us. Distance from the capital issues, though, ouch.
Monster script has been broke for awhile (weeks/months), so they were nerfed, but not intentionally.
Was that recently fixed? Otherwise any ETA on the fix?
They have been easier than normal, that's true. Probably wouldn't be charging at nearly 18k in Duil had the code not been broken.
Growing is part of our traditional Growth/Bust cycle, though. The last bust was not as bad as usual, though, due to the rest of the continent feeling a lot of the pain we had the monopoly for. Our current position of strength is also largely thanks to not having had as much losses to recover. We had far fewer regions to retake and they were all in the same area. Better economy to back up the recuperation efforts than usual.
(http://maps.battlemaster.org/History-8/2017-08-03-1.jpg)
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Prior bust for comparison:
(http://maps.battlemaster.org/History-8/2017-03-29-0.jpg)
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Monster script has been broke for awhile (weeks/months), so they were nerfed, but not intentionally.
Oh I see. So once it gets fixed, we can all say bye to Westgard once more 8)
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Perhaps. ;D
But a lot of things changed since the last major bust.
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Oh thats an old map. I heard Westfold is pretty much dead.
I think Westfold will be dead soon unless someone steps in. But who want to face Astrum big army?
I remember something about Westgard offered my character to seek refuge there. Or help my character to refound our realm in the West. I think East side too many people, so we come into conflict with human realms rather than rogue often. Maybe I should take up the offer and we won't have this Westgard Recruitment Thread opened :P
Sometimes I think how Dwilight history or life could have been changed with my character decisions in the past.
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If someone would have wanted to save Westfold, it'd have made a lot more sense to do so much earlier. Honestly I'm surprised no one stepped in, though. Luria made it look like they would, for a while.
Westfold could be saved by another monster invasion, though. Astrum is stretching fairly thin. Though they've done well in the last invasion, I suspect the monsters could distract them enough for Westfold to retake a few regions. Doesn't really look good for them, though. How long until they starve themselves?
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Luria... is a dead realm. Nobody really talks there. They just go around hunting monsters but even that isn't going that well for them since nobody really cares about anything there so monsters get to actually retake regions pretty often. I wouldn't count on them to help Westfold out. Westfold seems to lack friends in the northern half of the continent so I wonder where they will go once the realm dies.
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Looked like realms like Arnor or Avernus might have intervened too, maybe HD. The whole region had the potential to be set ablaze: Astrum and Morek vs Arnor, Avernus, HD, Luria, and Westfold. No idea for Swordfell.
Sucks for Luria. I thought some people had reanimated it. Guess they should have let it die like I said long ago. Pumping some active people in a dead realm usually just kills the activity in those that joined it. Or kills the realm.
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It aint over till the fat lady sings. There are always options, always behind the scene plays somewhere, but yeah it seems nobody was willing to interfere really and fight Westfold. I was really surprised they were at war in the first place when I returned from my BM vacation (of a couple of months ::))
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It aint over till the fat lady sings. There are always options, always behind the scene plays somewhere, but yeah it seems nobody was willing to interfere really and fight Westfold. I was really surprised they were at war in the first place when I returned from my BM vacation (of a couple of months ::))
They must have played their hands wrong horribly. It is hard to believe they did not manage to find one solid ally. Maybe they overestimated their abilities.
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They must have played their hands wrong horribly. It is hard to believe they did not manage to find one solid ally. Maybe they overestimated their abilities.
Seriously. Doesn't seem like it'd have needed much to at least make it a tie, and there are a number of realms that would have been unlikely to suffer much (if any) retaliation during the course of the war, due to Westfold being a nicely placed meatshield.
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You guys are forgetting the current state of Dwilight and its politics. Only LN would have really gone to help Westfold and they are dead mostly I hear everywhere so can't effectively march that far.
Swordfell has the SA complication so won't march so quickly and maybe HD could've aided, but after the last war I can imagine they didn't want to. Avernus could've maybe helped? I don't know.
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You guys are forgetting the current state of Dwilight and its politics. Only LN would have really gone to help Westfold and they are dead mostly I hear everywhere so can't effectively march that far.
Swordfell has the SA complication so won't march so quickly and maybe HD could've aided, but after the last war I can imagine they didn't want to. Avernus could've maybe helped? I don't know.
Northern realms were recovering still I think. HD just got off of their war against Morek so they probably were too exhausted. Westfold went into this war looking pretty confident but they probably did not know Astrum's military strength. Despite their military council being mediocre, they have more than enough resources to overwhelm any realm 1v1.
If Westfold didn't enter this war, I think Astrum might have suffered the fate of LN but Westfold is keeping Astrum alive by killing itself.
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Astrum has a habit of keeping itself busy, so I doubt they would follow LN, but you are right about the rest.
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Yea, Astrum has the western border. Anyone with that can keep themselves busy at will.
I wouldn't have expected HD to join in against Astrum, because that would have obviously pulled Morek back into the fight, and the inevitable outcome would have been both Westfold and HD dying.
Still, kind of sad that only Westfold had some balls in those parts.
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Just checked the densities... 178 nobles for 112 regions? That's 1.6:1 noble:region density. When the code gets fixed, I'm thinking the tides will sweep a few realms anew.
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Just checked the densities... 178 nobles for 112 regions? That's 1.6:1 noble:region density. When the code gets fixed, I'm thinking the tides will sweep a few realms anew.
When I left the game, Dwilight players had 94 regions and people were getting attacked by monsters all the time. Can't even imagine what it will be like when the codes start working again.
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It came down to sitting around doing nothing or starting a war, even if we couldn't win it. It was the same mentality a lot of people in Asylon had throughout its time. Unfortunately this time it resulted in our realm (probably) getting wiped. No one to blame but ourselves, but it would have been nice if it animated more of the northern realms from stagnation.
Wherever we go, most of the players will continue to fight stagnation.
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It came down to sitting around doing nothing or starting a war, even if we couldn't win it. It was the same mentality a lot of people in Asylon had throughout its time. Unfortunately this time it resulted in our realm (probably) getting wiped. No one to blame but ourselves, but it would have been nice if it animated more of the northern realms from stagnation.
Wherever we go, most of the players will continue to fight stagnation.
Always good to see people fighting stagnation. Too bad Westfold met its end but once Westfold disappears, Astrum will most likely form a colony there. Maybe join that and turn it against Astrum? XD
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Astrum doesn't really have all that many nobles to spare with a colony effort. If I were in charge there I would be very wary of letting that happen.
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Astrum doesn't really have all that many nobles to spare with a colony effort. If I were in charge there I would be very wary of letting that happen.
It is not up to them I think. From what I heard, they got few new nobles from GX because they wanted to form a new GX in the city currently owned by Westfold.
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GX died? Also, from the charts, Astrum is losing nobles, not gaining any. But those charts are kind of garbage for including adventurers...
And it's totally up to them. Even if they had gotten 5 nobles, it's not like those can keep them accountable. Astrum has the power to do what it wants. They have the most nobles and a bunch of very rich regions pretty strategically placed. It'd take a strong coalition just to push them out of Westfold, and then... stalemate. I can't imagine any realm being able to take any of their cities.
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I can't see any of the older Westfold nobles joining an Astrum colony, but who knows.
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If the Westfold nobles want to play nice they can come join Morek and make us relevant again :) We've gotten several new nobles already. Worst case scenario is that they go join Luria or even worse, join Helyg-whocaresaboutdruids.
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If the Westfold nobles want to play nice they can come join Morek and make us relevant again :) We've gotten several new nobles already. Worst case scenario is that they go join Luria or even worse, join Helyg-whocaresaboutdruids.
Hillbilly Druids is a totally legit realm. 8)
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Or they just decide to join me 8)
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If GX did mass migrate, HD would actually seem like a pretty legit choice. That or Arnor. Might be places they could carve a future for themselves.
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If GX did mass migrate, HD would actually seem like a pretty legit choice. That or Arnor. Might be places they could carve a future for themselves.
What's wrong with Unterstrom?
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Meh, I think the best place to emigrate to is Swordfell. Very welcoming. Especially for big groups of new nobles. [/sarcasm]
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What's wrong with Unterstrom?
Too close to Astrum. Also, that implies having their own realm. I implied joining and staying inside another.
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Too close to Astrum. Also, that implies having their own realm. I implied joining and staying inside another.
Why be inside another when you can have your own realm?
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Why be inside another when you can have your own realm?
Worked great on EC right? :P
Better stable footing then getting uprooted every time you settle.
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Any update on monsters? Have they started to attack more aggressively now that code is working again?
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Worked great on EC right? :P
Better stable footing then getting uprooted every time you settle.
Well no Continent is the same, plus on Dwilight they don't have the enemies they did on EC and might actually get a strong ally.
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It is not up to them I think. From what I heard, they got few new nobles from GX because they wanted to form a new GX in the city currently owned by Westfold.
I do not know about GX nobles making a new realm around Westfold plan. But it is a good idea, for I cannot see those Westfold lands rogue for long time :)
I can't see any of the older Westfold nobles joining an Astrum colony, but who knows.
Given Astrum number of nobles, I see no colony plan will happen so soon. But my character not in Astrum, so take my word with pinch of salt :P
Hillbilly Druids is a totally legit realm. 8)
Well, if Westfold decides to fold their realm and join HD, it would be nice to keep Morek versus HD Druids rivalry going.
Any update on monsters? Have they started to attack more aggressively now that code is working again?
Some undead visit Morek lands and their bones are put on pikes.
Well no Continent is the same, plus on Dwilight they don't have the enemies they did on EC and might actually get a strong ally.
Talking about strong ally, Westgard has numerous allies, not sure which realm should be considered as Westgard strong ally?
I for one, do not view Morek as Westgard strongest ally.
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I sent the generals scout reports of the North-West. Monsters are everywhere. They started takeovers, and they are moving around a lot. Hordes up to 40k per region.
Man, I really wish Sabadell and Aquitain were swapped. I'd love fortifications in Saba.
For GX, when planning on where to settle a realm, I've always liked to consider the potential conflicts that could eventually be had. And try to join the sides that would allow the most fun opportunities, and the most opportunities in general. Taking Westfold's spot in somewhat limiting.
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I sent the generals scout reports of the North-West. Monsters are everywhere. They started takeovers, and they are moving around a lot. Hordes up to 40k per region.
Man, I really wish Sabadell and Aquitain were swapped. I'd love fortifications in Saba.
For GX, when planning on where to settle a realm, I've always liked to consider the potential conflicts that could eventually be had. And try to join the sides that would allow the most fun opportunities, and the most opportunities in general. Taking Westfold's spot in somewhat limiting.
Sounds like monsters are having fun again. Westgard is back! Back to fighting for real.
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Sounds like monsters are having fun again. Westgard is back! Back to fighting for real.
They certainly are. But they've been bugged for so long, I have a hard time predicting what's coming. :P Where will they go? How many of them will target us vs. just move through to other realms? How much of them will be density-spawned vs. were being banked for spawning this whole time?
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Sounds like monsters are having fun again. Westgard is back! Back to fighting for real.
Roll up, roll up! For the greatest show in the West!
See the monster grinding machine of Westgard in full action! Free hide rugs for every warrior per 100 monsters slain! Weekly chance to win that horde leader's head mounted on an attractive mahogony plaque you've always wanted for your feasting hall! Free spears and arrows for every peasant who joins the army! Free ale for all if we have to spend the entire winter on Gelene's walls eating the horses in the Royal stables!
Roll up, roll up!
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Oh no. Rogue break through our defense at Aegir Deep. Good luck northern realms.
Some 16K CS on scout report but later saw 21K CS. Who know, it could be more.
Should protect Westgard more.
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They aren't messing around!
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Report from Selena Chénier (5 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Generals of Dwilight (11 recipients)
Scribe Note Battle in Sabadell
Total combat strengths: 28955 vs. 11361
The region owner Westgard and their allies defend.
Defender Victory!
This is how we do it in Westgard.
Selena Chénier
Supreme Exarch of Westgard
Margravine of Aquitain
Marshal of the Westgard Lightbearers
8k troops remaining, 36k of rogues left in the region. Time for another round!
Save Sabadell: save the world.
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What's this!? Westgard took another region!? What is it doing!?
We ain't about to stop! We got two more on the road, and plenty more waiting ahead! We just need YOU, to keep at it!
Want to join a realm that's renown game-wise for being an efficient monster-killing machine? Maybe go for a lordship, and seek to build the best recruitment center the realm has yet to see? Or become an infiltrator, and carry out missions for the realm in far away lands?
There's an opportunity for YOU! Join Westgard today!
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Also if anyone wants to try themselves at marshaling, I'm considering opening up a third army.
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(https://i.imgur.com/H46VCYv.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/jrjxOYK.jpg)
Will it ever stop!?!
(No)
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Woah, I heard you were funding infiltrator training to plunder rogue region tax offices for the good of the crown and country. Is that true??
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Yup!
Westgard doesn't loot the west, because looting results in many innocent victims.
However, we still use other means to collect riches in the wildlands, namely infiltrators working for the crown. Given the huge role they play in our economy, they are very valued, including those that only just enter the path and have much training to do still.
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Selena Chénier
INFORMATION
Physical Age: 34 years
Main Class: Warrior
Sub Class: Cavalier
Honour: 907
Prestige: 47
#JustWestgardThings
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HIJECTED! If you want to use the best RC in the game, come join Luria Nova!
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#Overpriced
Who needs to pay for 100 armor and 100 training on R5 SF? NOOOOOOBODY! Besides, who wants to recruit the "best" troops, only to then do absolutely nothing with them? And then be stuck forever only leading 10, because there's no way to increase honor?
Haha, nah! Join Westgard, and grind your way to glory!
I'm still eager to see by what age I can reach 1000 honor!
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Woah, I heard you were funding infiltrator training to plunder rogue region tax offices for the good of the crown and country. Is that true??
Not only will Westgard fund an infiltrator's training from novice to expert, but we'll also keep you constantly busy. I believe Westgard is the best place in the game to play as an infiltrator. We've put effort in to infiltrators that sees them as valued members of the realm. I'd honestly love Westgard to have the largest number of infiltrators in the game. In a lot of realms, infiltrators are seen as a potential unit leader going to waste, but not in our realm.
If we could get a few more infiltrators, I also have some plans to try something a little different around the infiltrator playing style that I don't think has been done before (which I'm not revealing yet ;) ).
So, in short, if you've never played as an inflitrator before and fancy trying it, Westgard will support you all the way. Or, if you have an experienced infiltrator and are bored with getting banned, come to us and we'll try something a little different for you.
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Limited time offer: On top of the chance to kill infinite monsters, join Westgard TODAY to get the chance to kill countless scurby-ridden eastern invaders!
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Westgard:
*Always monsters to kill
*Now an unlimited quantity of offshore barbarians looking to impale themselves on our arrows
*Armies pretty much always on the move
*Gold to help everyone field large units
*Best place to grind for H/P
*The most active realm of Dwilight (and one of the most active realms of the game)
*All titles are elected, has a strong government that tries to work by consensus, united by RP codes (ethics of the Virtues)
*Strongest realm of the continent
*A lot of regions still planned to be taken (and with reasonably odds of the realm succeeding in taking)
*Possibilities for marshalship (need more competent people to finally go through with that 3rd army plan)
*Rare or only realm to currently use multiple active armies (no bureaucrat army)
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Westgard:
*Always smaller neighbors to try and kill
*Now an unlimited quantity of enemy lances to impale ourselves on
*Armies pretty much always on the move, mostly in retreat
*Gold available to replenish plentiful losses
*Best place to grind for H/P
*All titles are elected, has a strong government that tries to work by consensus, united by RP codes (anti-ethics of the Virtues)
*Strongest realm of the continent
*A lot of regions still planned to be retaken
*Possibilities for marshalship (need more people to offer public taunts right before losing battles)
*One of several realms currently using multiple active armies (no bureaucrat army)
FTFY
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Still is. Took a coalition of half the continent to beat 1/3 of our mobile force forever away from the homeland. A force that hadn't refitted in a month, I would add.
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A force that hadn't refitted in a month, I would add.
Ah, wait 'till they see what we look like when we actually have a fully refitted army back at maximum strength, rather than when they're facing an army that's been in the field for a month ;)
Somewhere in a private chamber in Westgard, Rosalind issues an order to put the 1st Gelene Washerwoman Company on standby to march to the front to help the enemy with their soon to be soiled breeches as an act of nobility and charity to the less fortunate.
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Hey, I gained enough honour out of all this to recruit one more man! New total is 107 SF! Hell yea!
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Guess the Empire will just have to bring more than 1/5th our nobles next time.
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Guess the Empire will just have to bring more than 1/5th our nobles next time.
Did you guys lose?
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Did you guys lose?
No, he is just trying to out smack talk WG
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Guess the Empire will just have to bring more than 1/5th our nobles next time.
Yea, and maybe Westgard will too. ;)
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Looking at the horizon from Farrowfield: Nope, no lurians in sight. Already giving up?
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(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/497791133422977034/535186251977064459/unknown.png)
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Also for those not aware, the realm has an up-to-date and fairly detailed wiki page (with many subpages). Suggestions welcome.
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Westgard (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Westgard)